Every time Ruby begins to doubt and criticize herself, its immediately followed by other characters coddling and stroking her ego by telling her she's actually a great leader Its like these writers despise the notion of Team RWBY being wrong
Basically the writers giving the illusion of holding Ruby accountable for her decisions. "Look guys! We gave you what you wanted! We have Ruby acknowledge the consequences of her actions! Are you happy? Okay now let's backtrack by having Yang say she's perfect."
Something that bothered me throughout Volume 8 was how every time Ruby realized she was a bad leader and felt hopless, one of her friends cheered her up and made her feel better. Ruby isn't allowed to realize her mistakes, and she can keep making more of them.
you know Iornwood could have tell them to leave they not pro huntmens yet but he didn't he welcome them with open arm's , then they spit at his face in return , maybe RT staff did the same thing with their parent's
@@loiiysailor1177 RT and, to be fair, many shows have a bad tendency to portray Authority=Bad. Not that authority should never be questioned, indeed, it should always be question, but never baselessly ridiculed and undetermined for no other purpose than to perpetuate a long since exhausted and deromanticized Hippie-Era "Fight the power, man" rhetoric. I have said before, but I'll state again. If you want a GOOD story of questioning authority, look no further than the Clone Wars Umbara Arc. Instead of the RWBY approach where the plucky "Heroes" are always right and hate anyone who says different, Fives has a lot of respect for Captain Rex, the chain of Command and his duty. He does however have a problem with following orders that seem blatantly wrong. Rex likewise, isn't a "Bootlicker" (a phrase that's losing more and more of it's impact) He understands and even shares his men's frustration. He even does his best to BEND the rules rather than break them outright. Finally, there's no low-blow, "Yas Kween" "Still following orders?" (I hate Yang so much) moment. Despite difference in opinion, there is still RESPECT from soldier to soldier. Rex doesn't treat Fives like a brat and Fives doesn't think Rex is a tool. They understand the situation sucks and that any good army needs a healthy balance of order and independence.
@@randomcenturion7264 haven't watch Clone Wars for a long time , is like you don't agree with the authority but don't 100% disapect them in results , have the character understand the plan , but also have them be nah man there's got be another way , correct me if am wrong
Ruby's face at 10:08 is like "Why? Why won't anyone LET ME be wrong?! Why can't I have character growth?!" Everytime Ruby calls herself out on her own bullshit the other characters reassure her that she's this beacon of hope for the world and inspiration for all to follow. It's like Ruby is aware she's messing up but the writers won't allow her to be wrong.
Ruby knows but everyone deliriously keeps propping her up, it reminds of the episode of Family Guy where Peter claims to be God and eventually claims “stop worshiping me!” but the deluded cult just won’t stop.
It could've worked. Honestly a lot of moments in RWBY are actually really amazing ideas and valuable for the story. It seems what holds the story back from being more positively received is a failure to recall past events properly and poor on-the-fly set up. There's a reason why some shows hire a continuity director, as their job helps organize and remind writers what should and shouldn't be. By the words of another youtuber, I wish the show would stop threatening to be sometimes good.
Nailed it. I feel like I have to keep watching because it had so much potential to be pretty good, but constantly seeing said potential be thrown away feels like being in an abusive relationship. You want it to be good, and you know it can be, so you just keep staying with it despite it never changing.
@@Motoboo_Marine It's like the writers doing a puzzle, but the pieces don't really get together and they forcing them into place. They problem would be different sizes and shapes, in case of RWBY it's like VexedViewer explained: Ruby want to take a risk, but 5 min before that moment she cried about a worthless risk she took earlier. The pieces seem to fit together in the first moment, but actually not when it's analyzed the issue is obvious - But in Case of RWBY it's also point on it with big Neonsigns Las Vegas Style.
Absolutely agree! One of the biggest failings (currently) in RWBY is failure to properly acknowledge past story elements or established lore. Rather tweaking and adjusting things as they go along to fill plot holes or to make a scene work. Best example, characters suddenly forgetting their abilities or capabilities at critical times in order for a scene to play out a certain way.
@@loiiysailor1177 Which makes me pissed thinking back to V1 because Weiss was absolutely right to protest Ruby becoming team leader and that bloody Ozpin-Simp Port refused to listen to reason. Ruby couldn't poor piss out of a boot with instructions written on the heel.
Both of them is wrong Ironwood & Ruby I can't see why most people her seeing Ironwood is right - leaving A whole city that have most people to die just to fly into the space for a while & killing anyone who against it , it's bad plan & DON'T GET ME WRONG I didn't like what the writers did to Ironwood in V8 turning evil was very rushed & Bad & doesn't making sence at all I'm with Ironwood in his first plan at Vol 7 & of course hate RWBY for lie like that
I wonder how many scenes in rwby would similarly crumble under this same level of analysis. You nailed it, though- RWBY's writers pretty much solely write to entertain fans and not much else. This scene worked in their heads because Ruby and Yang talked to each other, not because of the content of what they said.
Like I said before the scene actually does work...by itself. The issue with this scene(and where alot of issues with RWBY come from)They didn't completly factor the entire show that lead up to that point leading to there being inconcistencies
@@aarondx3764 There's a quote from Eddy (or was it Miles?) somewhere that's like... "it takes a lot of work to make everything flow scene to scene" and that's just stuck in my mind ever since. Maybe that's how RWBY's written. No bigger picture, just scene to scene.
@@_kenemon_ I think you might be on to something there, RWBY does begin to feel like an amateur fanfiction or a webnovel that was written stream-of-consciousness style without more concrete planning than "this would be the scene for the season finale, now lets write our way there".
@@Zoey-- Let's not pretend that RWBY was a masterpiece of writing before Monty died either. He knew how to make the best fight scenes on the internet but that doesn't mean he was a good writer.
@@Snaaaaap that could be. It feels like they wanted that scene to go on for a bit before they dove into the stuff about the hound and summer but decided to cut parts out because they didn't have time
@@kinglightning5256Would that make it any better between the two? Makes more sense why Tai focuses on Yang and why Qrow focuses on Ruby but being cousins shouldn't lessen the bond the two would have if they lived together it would just put them back in the same problem we have now.
@Demetrius Prime, not completely. I have cousins and though we are friendly with one another, by no means are we like siblings. It all depends on the family dynamic. If Ruby and Yang lived in the same house as before then maybe they’d close, but some siblings and family don’t really have much in common with each other. One of my older brothers, though I like him, I’m not nearly as close to. I’ve even got friends who I’m closer towards than him. Just kinda how it is sometimes.
@@autumnknox6471 Except that's the premise they set up for Ruby and Yang but make it fall flat. Hell in one of their data books Yang in their text says she's a motherly figure.
What frustrates me most about all this is that they had the basics from volume 7. Yang could question Ruby’s decision to lie to Ironwood and have at least a moment where Yang disagrees with her. But what we had was no big deal. Apparently she was more focused on sticking her tongue in a cat.
Hey now! I like the crude exaggeration but to be fair, the writing is equally terrible across the board. Don’t blame the ship. It frustrates the crap out of me that they have focused more on BB versus Yang remembering the people she used to love above all else. You can be in a thing with someone and still care about your family just as much. They just…write it terribly. Like if Nora didn’t care about Pyrrha or Jaune bc of Ren, I wouldn’t hate Ren or him and Nora, just the way they wrote it. Ugh. They got relationships better with the minor characters better than they did the main ones. Do we ever really complain about the JNPR? Or just the main characters that seem to be written without sense? I don’t get it.
@@ctcdreamer The idea of Blake X Yang is not my problem, my problem is how it was executed. It’s not just about the two of them just thinking about their relationship. To confirm the couple, Blake treated Sun like shit and to justify it they turned Adam into a abuser and threw away the character, the White Fang and the issue of racism as something secondary. Adam was mistreated and had the same fate as Neji (naruto shippuden), dying in a disgusting way only to confirm a poorly developed fucking couple.
@@martinhernandezdominguez8561 I mean, at least for Neji you can try to make connections to the overall story of Naruto like Neji sacrifing himself out of his own free will or the fact that Hinata in the aftermath of Neji's death gives Naruto hope similar to Naruto giving Hinata hope in the past. This scene lacks this connection since the actions and decisions made my the main cast aren't reflected in this talk.
@@ctcdreamer One way or another yang is usually with Blake or something else comes up to split the team up. Rarely do we see just ruby and yang like here. So it's hard for people to not lump the ship and the writing together
@@Axel_Kasai I mean, they’re huntress partners so it’s not unusual for them to be together constantly. Yang and Ruby not having a proper scene alone for so long has no excuse but I wouldn’t blame that so much on BB but rather just the writers bc they like to make Yang forget she has family like a sister and who was Summer again? It’s crazy.
Honestly not really. But I do appreciate the attempt. I'd rather have a mediocre attempt at a heartfelt scene with the sisters over nothing at all. Actually this scene does have some decent points to it. Yang is for once being understanding is definitely one. My biggest gripe is this running issue where someone on RWBY has the low moment for like.. 15 seconds before someone else comes in and hypes them back up. Ruby's "I'm a bad leader" thing was cool but Yang basically said "You made mistakes but it's okay. You did your best.. cheer up!" Then Ruby's good lol The Ruby and Blake scene from this volume is what I would call a total failure.
@@Schinak How _dare_ you, good sir! To compare this to scrap would be a disservice to scrap; at least _scrap_ has meaningful substance in relation to context.
It doesn't help that this scene was immediately followed by Ruby figuring out the magical solution to all of their problems when they stopped Penny from leaving. I could respect it if the scene was just a character coming in and saying "Hey, we screwed up, but we can get through this" and then the characters still had to face the consequences of their choices, make hard decisions, and accept that things won't always work out the way they want. But instead we get the character sitting around whining for a bit about how things aren't going her way and how she's made mistakes, Yang coming in and telling her that she made mistakes but can't give up, and then moments later having the universe hand them a solution that completely negates all of the doubts Ruby had about her choices because now those choices are paying off.
@@VenathTehN3RD straight up. even falling into destiny islands is a blessing in disguise because now the girls dont have to deal with ANY of the consequences of their garbage plan to teleport refugees into the desert until most likely AFTER everybody else is done cleaning up after them. cant have any newly made widows and orphans calling the titular characters despicable morons
@@darkice60000 they avoided the consequences by simply not being around. I’ll be surprised if after their merry misadventure on bum fuck island and when they reunite with everyone that anyone brings up how bad they fucked up.
The writers chose to make Ruby ignorant. Correction. The writers are ignorant from the start that's why they can't make Ruby aware whats happening because the writers also don't know what's happening in the show That's why RWBY has retcon every season.
Close. They actually HAD a source to accurately carry on the story, but they literally did everything in their power to remove that source so they could take over half asked. That source I'm referring to btw is the WIFE of RWBY's creator, Monty Oum.
When all else fails.. Vexed won’t! Ya know. Yeah no. I’ll always miss what true semblance of a sister dynamic they had at the beginning of this series. Admittedly. Those first three volumes just keep looking more and more amazing the more I see where we are now
Even in the first three Volumes their relationship was hard to buy seeing as Yang unapologetically left Ruby on her first day at Beacon to hang out with her friends (who were nothing but shadows and we never saw again), and later in Volume 3 she goes to look for Blake instead of Ruby (when one of her main traits is supposed to be that she’s overprotective of Ruby). A true showing Ruby and Yang’s sisterhood seems to only be possible in fanfiction.
I know that 90% of the issue in RWBY come from the writing, but I'm starting to think that they've expanded the story beyond what their medium can reliably deliver; at least with how they approach it. 15-20 minutes of animation spread across 10+ characters in which most of it is regurgitating exposition and rewriting/explaining rules of the world to each other? There's hardly any room left to develop characters anymore. If the writing was good, they good get characters developed and establish lore/setting all at once, but clearly they can't handle that.
That's true, remember when Vexed made his video about the character cast for the Atlas Arc and that certained characters should be kicked out? A great idea and what did CRWBY? The previous cast plus more side characters aka Happy Huntresses, Ace-OPs, Pietro, Penny, Winter, Ironwood, Willow etc. in V7-V8.
It isn't really an issue with the media covered. Its basically how they execute it. A premise can be as amazing as possible but still fail miserably because of shitty execution. Thats just rwby in a nutshell
Oh their medium is fine. They're just idiots who needed more money to make a decent show. Anime companies produce decent work all the time so I don't see anything but finances being behind the trash tier quality. The medium is fine the company isn't.
@@Zoey-- money isn't the issue. Its the quality of writing that matters the most. They can have the most extravagant budget but it won't mean shit if the writing is garbage. Just look at Game of Thrones season 8
I really hate with every fiber of my being that, dispite Ruby and the gang literally being the reason things got so bad with Atalas and the fact that they made every possible decision that put everything at risk or outright worsen the situation, they suffered NO CONSEQUENCES. And I don't mean Salem getting the relics. I mean REAL consequences. Where are the mountain of bodies of civilians due to Ruby and the gang primarily sitting on their asses drinking tea? Where is the exhaustion from stretching themselves to far trying to protect people? Hell, where is any sort of tension that they might fail? ANYTHING to show that they screwed up and cost people their lives. For Christ sake, they just brought two cites worth of people into a desert land that is famously known to be dangerous and wild. Not to mention that Salem will be on the way. If anything, I think just bringing all those people there is a fate worse than if they left them in atlas because now they get to experience the harsh reality of a blistering desert.
The only real through line this show has had since V3 is that Salem is the big bad, and even that was discarded by V8. Now there is no footing whatsoever. The writers have written themselves into a corner and are enacting this emergency Kingdom Hearts plot as a result. Maybe we'll get to see Hanna Barbara and Looney Toons characters on Destiny Island before WarnerMedia divests itself of Rooster Teeth.
I think that in isolation this scene is actually fanstatic and I like how Ruby and Yang switch roles from their previous scene with Ruby being the pessimistic one and Yang being positive. That being said in the context of the show alot of issues do surface.
What really got to me is that after Ruby and Yang's argument, Blake and her opinion still came up in it instead of Ruby's. It's like Yang was more focused on what Blake would think of her because she wouldn't go with Ruby's plan, instead of thinking of Ruby and how they could have handled things. It's like she forgot she actually had a sister and is focusing on the thing that barely matters at the moments and only paid attention when Ruby had a small breakdown.
Lmao even though the scene was about Yang and Ruby, Blake’s name still somehow come up. Weiss could have told her but they just wanted us to know that Blake tells her everything. Smdh
@@thomasraines1396 quite I’m just so tired of Yang’s character being about Blake. She used to be my favorite character so it’s upsetting what they’ve done with her.
this scene would work if it matters , some of the scenes they put so far don't even matter if the writer's don't care for them , is good for once Ruby and Yang share a moment but that didn't last long when Yang fells off they have only Blake calls for her and Ruby and Weiss stand there like Idiots letting her fall down , the problem with this every time they put a idea to make the plot better they just forget it about it and retcon it , Ruby and Yang moment's shouldn't be fan service , the only fan service they to put effect into is Bubblebee , because exporting ms.angry allot and ms. cat princess relationship is more important then anythen else's in the show!
Remember guys ironwoods evil for not risking an entire city and thousands of lifes on a maybe but team rwby is our heros for standing by and sipping tea while the people of atlas fight for there life
@@thomasraines1396 HAHA! Exactly! “They care about you soooooo much, so where do they send you? The very next place that I’m going to raze to the ground.”
I feel like RWBY would've been a better written show if Monty hadn't made friends with RoosterTeeth to help him create the show. Monty could've gone to anyone else who was highly skilled in character development, world building, lore-keeping and much more. But instead Monty went to a team of college dropouts who are only good at creating parodies and playing video games. I know I sound like a scumbag for saying that, but I at least finally am able to say what's on my mind. RWBY sucks because the people behind it are unqualified to handle the responsibility of making it and developing it. Monty should've recognized that before he tragically past away. This show could have been so much better if RoosterTeeth said, "Nah. Go find someone else." Someday when this show ends, I hope that this series is rebooted properly by someone who isn't friends with RoosterTeeth or a member of the fandom. Someone who actually understands storytelling. That's what I have to say on the matter.
I mean I don't really see what you said that's really all that productive. I think RWBY is flawed but any show that's as bad as RWBY is at the moment would be better if it had better writers. That's just a given and basic common sense. And tbh....alot of people don't like to admit this but Monty wasn't all that good at storytelling himself. Or making the best choices for his show. I know alot of people like to endlessly praise Monty but what carried RWBY from the beginning was the fight scenes and iconic character designs. And music. That was at the beginning when no one was complaining as much. Miles and Kerry fully taking the reins of the show only drove it deeper into an already sinking hole. Monty was putting in last minute additions at random and RT had to make WoR due to the world being so underdeveloped. It would've taken a miracle to make RWBY a good show on its own merits post Vol 3. I keep telling people that RWBY always has had flaws since its inception and they've just become more visible overtime. The narrative was never RWBY's strongpoint, it was a combination of random stuff that made it iconic.
Call me heartless but I felt nothing by that “touching scene”. I hardly saw Ruby and Yang ever get together and have this moment AS SISTERS since she got hitched with Blake, apart with them arguing at the beginning of volume 8… Not to mention, yeah…I like the fact that what Ruby’s decisions throughout volume 7 till that point was entirely wrong and she deserved to be very guilty about it…but then immediately Yang pointed her out that she quote “didn’t do anything wrong”…yeah. That be like saying “only the bad guys do the bad thing. We good guys only do the “right thing””… =3=
If you havent already please do a video on the talk between Blake and Ruby. People still wont believe me when I say Blake and Ruby havent had a single heart to heart since the start of the series. And now we are supposed to believe Blake looked up to her?
I purposely try to forget about that scene because it got me so angry. You think the sister talk was forced? BLAKE SPOKE OUT HER ASS when talking to an unconscious Ruby who could come to by someone yelling at them. But that scene was just awful on so many levels, that I just like to forget it exists. The analysis should be taking the scene and flushing in down the toilet because it was that terrible. It was too obviously forced that it makes me uncomfortable and angry.
As soon as I saw this scene, it felt so forced to me. So now you remember you have a sister instead of worrying so much about Blake’s opinion? Also that jog animation was 😂. Speaking of opinions as you clearly detailed in the video, Yang voiced her opinion on Ruby’s leadership but then she doubles back on it because why??? Nothing Ruby did brought Yang, Ren, Jaune and Oscar back safely. That was Hazel and Ozpin. Now if Ruby’s message had help arrive and save Yang’s group from Salem, that would be a much better way to do that imo, in which case Yang’s statement when her and Ruby talk about optimism would make sense. This also goes back to the writers trying to portray Team RWBY as always right so Yang’s statement actually means, “It doesn’t matter if we fucked up, at least we tried.” Which I guess Yang is saying well she fucked up too when she got interrupted by the hound so she shouldn’t be so hard on Ruby. And now after all that, I’ve determined the only character with any sense is Ren who clearly stated that they have no idea what they’re doing and they keep messing up and they should leave it to be people with experience. Like Ironwood…oh wait…that’s right! He went full dictator because he actually had a clue on how to handle a situation like that and Team RWBY has to be the one to be the greatest heroes so I guess Ironwood had to go. I just…hopefully the extra year will help RT acquire better writers that actually make sense.
@@thomasraines1396 Best scene in V8 imo. I remember that scene. Vividly. Because it spoke to me. He. Went. Off! And it was well deserved. Need more moments like that
Yang thinks about Blake instead of her sister was so force as well , thing's is about go to hell that's what on her mind , Yang is no better then a guy trying impress some girl , I guess BB is more important then anything
@@loiiysailor1177 I am a Bumblebee shipper and I absolutely HATED that moment. It made no sense. Like the ship gets enough crap as it is but that scene was completely uncalled for. Yang had an entire sister before she ever met Blake and Blake understood that so I don’t know what stupid pill Yang took before they settled there because that was just whack.
Moment in Volume 8 not addressed yet: Neo basically being a bootleg Adam(almost killing Yang, forgot about hating Cinder/Weiss, having only revenge for story) but for Neo she lacks any history with the characters and I seriously hope she gets possessed by a Grimm hand, 11:36 Pyrrha Statue scene in a nutshell. Also yes to 12:20, at least better than the Ruby and Blake scene since that was just so general
Neo is a prime example of bringing a character back purely because the character is popular, and without any solid idea of what you should do with them.
Correction: Emerald's Botched Redemption. Her "Redemption" amounts to a mercenary "Joining the good guys" solely because their old employer stopped being profitable.
She hasn’t really been redeemed yet tho? She’s been on the good guys side for like 3 episodes, all she’s done is switch sides rather than redeem herself. I’m sure they’ll touch on it way more in 9.
@@burgermeister8261 I wouldn't get your hopes up about them fleshing out her "Redemption" beyond tossing in another cheap sob story to try and make everyone forget she helped kill Penny, destroy Beacon, played a role in Pyrrah's death all so she could Simp for Discount Azula.
@@randomcenturion7264 it’s like on Spongebob “WRITE THAT DOWN! WRITE THAT DOWN!”, in the place of Spongebob it’s the fans, the writers take the place of Patrick who ends up writing something completely unrelated to what is going on or is so far removed from the situation.
I don’t like how Ruby thinks Salem started doing something “new” when she met summer. It’s like out of all of the warriors what makes you think she started with your mom just because the story follows you 💀
Where oh know-it-all has it been stated or shown anywhere in the show that Salem has personally encountered any silver-eyed warrior before Summer? WHERE? Nowhere. She sends minions to destroy them. Even in the fairy tales. So guessing Summer is the first does not take a great leap of logic. It might be wrong, yet is a very valid deduction.
@@jeffreysmith236 all I am saying is the fact that Ruby Says it with such confidence I can’t help but feel it’s only because the story is revolved around her. Just because Salem had them killed by minions does not mean she hasn’t encountered any at all. Tock slashed Maria’s eyes and was actually thinking about letting her live. To me I don’t think every encounter before summer was just as simple as she simply had them all killed by her minions.
@@thenewmissinglink8501 dude I was far more confident of my deduction before volume 8 that since the Grimm goo reservoir was practically empty that Salem was desperate for this final push because Grimm spawning was at an end. Nope dead wrong. Empty because it was moved to Solitas somehow. I was also 100 percent confident after season 7 that Jaime would die at Winterfell and Arya would use his face to get close to Cersei since he was now left-handed and she was born that way. Nope. 100 percent confident and dead wrong. I fully understand how Ruby would immediately leap to that conclusion and be totally certain that it feels right and true. She can be wrong, and I hope she is, but her core is truly shaken. And that effects her ability to inspire others and that is her raison d'etre. She feels that despair and terror deep inside. That is a real obstacle she must overcome.
@@jeffreysmith236 it's still odd for her to assume that summer was the very first hound attempt because the one she saw was more than likely the first. And odds are there were silver eyed warriors before summer that encountered salem but it's just summer is the only one that matters
The writers don't take conflict seriously. That leads the characters to feeling either not present, or hypocritical. Not as in that is their character trait, but as in the hand of the author is clearly visible. Case in point, now that they have admitted that to trust is a risk, will they have a scene where they communicate to Ozpin that they can understand where he was coming from? I doubt it because team RWBY must have been right.
The big problem of this scene is, that it shows that RWBY can't do quiet moment. It feels like a puzzle where the pieces to solve it are there, but taken from different puzzles instead of the one in front of you. Ruby for example has every right to be down in this scene. Her "plans" didn't work, she involved civilians into combat (even though she should be protecting them) and she has an ultimatum to deal with that costs either the life of a friend or the life of uncounted civilians. Yang is actually the person who can talk to Ruby, since she questioned her leadership before and she had her own hardships while being away from her sister. But the endresult doesn't match. Ruby isn't allow to face her mistake and grow from it. Instead her own sister basically says "You were right the entire time" and gives her the solution to her problem on a silver platter. The entire problem is solved too quickly and leaves no impact. Yang on the other hand doesn't show any concern about Ruby's opinion until Ruby is depressed. I never got the feeling that her going against the opinion of Ruby (her sister and teamleader) really bothered her and she was more concerened about Blake than Ruby. Add in that Ruby and her team get out of the situation without casualties and being proven right about Ironwood, the scene ends with a bad realization: The writers don't want Ruby and her team to loose or to look bad. Be it combat, social skills or planning, RWBY is shown to be either right or get out without any problems left behind.
Throughout all the seasons with Ruby, she seemed pretty uncaring about the world around her. It was understanding in a way before Season 3, but now, its rather lost in character and doesn't show proper mature development of Ruby. Ruby, who had to grow up rather quickly when she was allowed to enroll with her big sister into a very prestigous school, learn a weapon that is well-known to be complicated rather young, and have said school destroyed in later seasons. Not even to mention she also underwent through some traumatic experiences involving her own sister being mortally wounded, losing her teammates, and witnessing the lives of her friends being killed. Now, hear me out, this could've worked, in my opinion, if this attitude came later rather than been around since the beginning of RWBY. The issue of trauma and mental health are so thrown under the bus in this show that there would've been some form of held justice to fixing on that issue if the happy and rainbow Ruby underwent a change. Seeing just Yang undergo PTSD for like, less than a season or so worth of episodes was extremely lackluster as a plot point to me. And because of the apparent grimm sensing negative emotion and end up becoming attracted to it. There should've been far more grimm that had devastating power than the cannon fodder they are now. Ruby, Yang, etc should've had a bit of a problem with grimm due to their own grieves. Sure, we can talk about the Apathy (which I thought was pretty good if not rather plot hole-y) being 'that moment,' but otherwise, there's no real struggle for the team when it involves action and their own emotional turmoils. Sorry for the rant, but seeing anything involving the use of trauma and struggle throughout the show disappointedly keep missing for me, especially Qrow's struggle involving alcohol. He just throws it away and all his problems were solved. Yang's PTSD and abandonment issues involving Adam, Blake, and her mother (Raven) were thrown away and solved because she beat Adam (nerfed to all hell, mind you) and said a few mean words or two to her mother. Etc, etc. For a show that's supposed to be "dark", they seem really scared to dive into dark topics. Which is unfortunate, because the Apathy episode was one of my favorite to go off of involving the idea of grimm there to actually CREATE negative emotion that eats away at people to the point of death, showing the crude and horrifying extent of Salem's will to obtain whatever she pleases.
Qrow’s alcoholism is also played as a joke, it’s like how “Avengers Endgame” made fun of the fact Thor was fat. Yang can’t get mad at Blake because it’s Blake, her justifiable anger towards her is made out to be the fact she’s upset because Blake isn’t there. The songs of the show portray a dark reality that doesn’t exist in the series.
Yang and Ruby relationship is nonexistent at this point. I wish the writers made them have meanful sister moments. Like have them both working together as sisters made Ruby ask Yang about Raven and how she feel about her. It would have been cool if volume 2 or volume 4 had Ruby and Yang have flashbacks about their childhood. Like have Yang in volume 4 having dream about the day she saw ruby as baby and swearing she will protect her further showing her love for her sister. Or have Ruby talk about her favorite memories with Yang as kids with Jaune, Nora, and Ren. Small moments like this would have show us the relationship with Ruby and Yang is special. But since it already volume 8 and volume 9 is coming out. It's a little too late.
It's the same reason why no one gives a shit about Cinder's crappy backstory. It's been eight years and we're only NOW learning anything about her. We are well beyond caring at this point and a lot of us just want her to be finally killed off.
@@randomcenturion7264 Lowkey Miles and Kerry ain’t even doing there writing right for Rwby for a lot stuffs, i don’t wanna expect anything for volume 9 since it’s coming in 2022. This is coming from me as Huge Rwby fan, It would’ve been so fine if cinder Backstory would’ve have A lots of meaning then rip off of Cinderella story, If Rwby was anime Cinder Story should’ve have her Got Sympathy for people and reason why she was corrupted, like She was all nice and kind and then something happen to got in her way that made her for who she was, that’s how you should make a backstory of a character but her backstory came way too late and it was horrible way to Address it up front to us, further her backstory should’ve been appeared in volume 4 when she was at her weak state. And Ruby and Yang Talk should’ve been in volume 3, it would’ve been amazing if Yang and Ruby had talk about summer rose and have flashback of her doing the final mission to see what happen to her, and Also a Alittle Episode of young Yang and Young Ruby with her mother before she went off. but let’s face it A Relationship of Blake is more important then actual Sister Development that HAD MORE MEANING in the show since volume 1. 😑
@@thomasraines1396 Tell me about it. She was supposed to be shattered into a thousand ice particles after Raven knocked her off the edge and we didn't even get a reason WHY she's still alive, other than fate seems to like tormenting us by prolonging her wretched existence for as long as possible.
The thing I hate the most about this scene is that it feels like it’s meant to be the resolutions for both their character arcs, the “conflict” of their groups becoming divided, and to philosophize about the theme of Risks (as well as completely unbelieveable reveal about Summer), but each one of those things are contradictory in their own way. It was the straw that broke the camels back for me and why I decided I had to make my review series for V8. Can’t wait to get my thoughts on this part up.
It's the same problem that we see with something like Ren and Yang's conflict. They have this big argument where both of them are bringing up a lot of points, ends when Ren explodes at Jaune in anger, and then later he just kind of apologizes and the show acts like that was the resolution to their entire conflict. Um...no? Him apologizing for blowing up at Jaune doesn't resolve the issues revolving around the completely legitimate arguments he was making that were criticizing their decisions. Just because he lashed out at the end of the argument doesn't mean that every point he made was just blindly lashing out with no basis. Acting like they've resolved conflicts without ever actually resolving them is a recurring problem with the series, and it's been rearing its ugly head a *lot* in the last couple of volumes. Like, this is "God's Not Dead" levels of conflict resolution writing. If you can't come up with a way to actually convince the audience that your protagonist is right, then just have the people who disagree with them either suddenly stop disagreeing with them without ever having their points addressed or make them such comical mustache-twirling villains that you have to side with the protagonist by default.
@@VenathTehN3RD 100% this. I think the idea they were going for is Semblance evolving to allow him to see people’s emotions is the catalyst for Ren realizing he’s wrong, but like… that has literally nothing to do with his argument with Yang about them not being ready to be Huntsmen and make the big decisions.
I'm pretty sure purpose of "the talk" was RT's response to the fandom complaining for the last couple of years that Yang and Ruby never talk. That Yang and Ruby are not shown truly interacting or caring about one another. Are sisters on paper only. RT is nothing if not responsive to the Fandom. Most times for all the wrong reasons.
There is only one or actually two little detail(s), that shows that the SEW point don't make sense at all. 1. Tyrian was send after Ruby because Cinders little "mood" problem at this time, so Salem send him out to literally cheer Cinder up a bit. Then we have also the scene where Salem warned Cinder that she should take care of Ruby, before she get the full controll of her powers. So Qrow was actually making up a theory, why Tyrian tried to get Ruby. Then for some reason the FNDM started to believe that Salem had a plan with Ruby all along and Cinder wasn't allowed to harm her because of that. In reality it was a "Salems Plan first and Cinders Ruby Problem later." Watts, Tyrian & Hazel didn't care, Salem didn't care about SEW, because her followers killed them in the past. When Salem had projects like the Hound in the past, where are her results? Where are the remains of subjects that died in the process? Is there a chamber in Salems castle like the one in the Bluebeard fairytale? We shouldn't also forget that Eddy stated a while ago, that they start the writing of each season of RWBY with a wishlist of things they want to show in the Volume and then their is a fact, that in the forum of their own homepage, fans wrote their RWBY theories and the writers could simply pick that theories as ideas of their own, because "Their show and everything that's RWBY including fanmade stuff belongs to them!" What's wrong, after the Trivolver situation i found a pdf doc from a german lawyer, who is familiar with Cons and Fandoms and fan creations are fan properties - There is no free use for Copyright Owners, because the own the Copyright. Fans can't make profit with fanart - Cosplayers included, besides the company hires them, but we have still a well working Model Business...so...yeah... Back to the topic, that Ruby & Yang scene in V8 was boring. And for me it's the entire situation, Ruby and Yang had several episodes an argument about the Ironwood Situation and everybody act either unbelievable stupid or in case of Ren...yeah everybody should know about that part of V7/V8. Blake and Yang didn't talk really about the entire Beacon Situation, they killed Adam and hold hands - issue gone. Yang questions Rubys desicions as leader, team breaks up to deal with two problems at the same time. Team reunites...oh wait, hound turn out to be really humanoid inside Ruby is shocked, but joins a call with the others and...act not you would like you would imagine somebody would be after such a situation. The Hound only becomes in that Yang and Ruby scene as useless plotdevice, serious Ruby could have been in a room alone. That could have been the start of a subplot of Ruby starting to develop a real fear of losing against Salem and becoming the next hound and of course that Summer was transformed in such a monster. But it's again only a bunch of plotpoints thrown together hold together by characters stupid for the sake of the "plot".
This level of writing just sounds like CRWBY just gave up. They know they can't write themselves out of a 3rd grade SOL test and they just threw their hands up in the air. Just writing solely to entertain and nothing more. Character development means nothing anymore, progress means nothing anymore, if anything I'm not even sure why the team is still fighting. They're not gaining anything.
TBH I felt that scene is just RT trying to have that "take that" moment to those who believed that Yang stopped caring about her family and her sister ever since they push the Bumblebee ship to great heights. It ends up feeling hollow anyway because RT can't write Family dynamics for shit anymore. This scene also shows the same problem that Ruby's talk with Jaune in v4 and Maria's v6 had: just pump up Ruby's head with delusional asspats that she is a great leader and wonderful person and best girl instead of either justifyingly calling her out or giving tangible advice that she has to follow. Basically... Ruby's got a huge ego over her wanting to be like the heroes in the books... and people are pumping nothing but "good jobs" and meaningless support to get her where she and to an extent RT is. RT wants us to believe that team RWBY ain't a buncha Mary Sues who basically also play Terrorist to make some point about Authoritarianism Bad... but they failed. So they give us reminders of how Ruby IS still best girl and Trust Love and....people ain't buying it anymore.
some people will use this scene as a proof that, the writers are not prioritising a certain ship over ruby and yang's relationship and i'm like : - volume 3 : yang choose to go after blake instead of ruby during the fall of beacon -volume 6 : yang taking blake's hand and running away from the farm without ruby -volume 8 : "yeah... ruby" + blake having more reaction at yang's "death" than ruby
I'm happy you've pointed out goes as far back as V3. It's a deep rooted problem that not only do Ruby and Yang not feel like sisters, but they barely even seem to be acquaintances.
And Yang whole thing is that she’s meant to be “overprotective of Ruby” apparently. The writers sure did a piss poor job of reflecting that character trait.
@@thomasraines1396 Hell, if Yang was "Overprotective" of Ruby, she'd have been smothering her in a Older Sister way first day at Beacon instead of ditching her for her "Shadow People Friends" (For real, I miss the Shadow People) or not trying to find her to be her partner. Even before the point I'd consider this show "Ruined", it's painfully clear that, rather than being overprotective, Yang has always, been ditching Ruby to go off on her own thing. That, or she's drooling over Blake. Being honest, I'd wish they'd just stop. It's been 8 years and they haven't been able to write them even half-way convincing as sisters, so just stick to them being work-colleagues and stop making scenes like this that are way too lackluster and far too late to be of any worth.
@@randomcenturion7264 the shadow people were the best characters. This scene feels like it was thrown in their to stop the criticism of them not acting like sisters but it only made it worse because this is one scene out of the rest of the series where they don’t even act like friends much less sisters.
Risk had to be one of my most hated chapters in Volume 8. All it was was validation for characters that deserved to be criticized. Ruby being re-assured that she's a good leader and a good hero and Nora being re-assured that her almost killing herself over a door wasn't stupid or anything she's done in Atlas wasn't a waste of time.
Plus the rather unsubtle way they just SHOVED in the word “Risk” every other sentence, as if to just HAMMER it home that the theme of the episode is RISK
I mean if she didn’t do anything about the door they wouldn’t have escaped. She also would have no idea what the door would do to her. I also don’t believe the point of the scene with Nora and Ren was to reassure her that the specific thing was even the best thing. It’s more just about Ren and Nora knowing that they can still grow and be connected without being in a relationship at the moment. Maybe I’m missing something.
Don’t bring Nora into this. JNPR has been able to avoid the mass stupidity of Team RWBY despite being closely aligned with them. And Nora’s scenes all make sense. She had a mature adult conversation about whether or not to advance a relationship given the circumstances and her realizing she doesn’t have a sense of identity without Ren. That’s what that convo was about.
If there is one thing RWBY has had over there years, is a lot of "Perfect Times" to cover stuff. To elaborate and flesh out details when something is brought to light. Only to fail to do so almost every time. Especially as of late.
One of my problems with the idea that Summer was turned into a hound grimm is that when the hound first debuted, Salem specifically said it was an experiment, which implies that the hound in V8 was the first of its kind, which means Salem did not turn Summer into a hound grimm. However there are only two ways this idea works. The first is that Salem did not turn Summer into a hound grimm, but she tried to and she was basically just a test subject/guinea pig and the hound we got was the final product. The second is that Salem actually has hordes of these type of grimm (including a Summer hound), but hasn't used them yet, which means the grimm in V8 wasn't an experiment as in the first of its kind, but rather an experiment as in the first of its kind *to be used* . Personally, I think the first might be the better option because the second would be like skinning retcon territory (if you even wanna call it that) with the only thing keeping it out of retcon territory being unclear wording with the line.
Ynag saying my plan is wrong because it implies helping Mantle was Yang's idea to begin with. The Happy Huntresses were the ones asking them to help Mantle. It's more Joana and Fiona's plan than anyone's.
Ruby Rose is just a way more poorly written Johnny Joestar in my opinion. Potential spoilers below Johnny earns TUSK ACT 4, Ruby's semblance and sliver eyes are just plot conveniences for poor writers. Johnny gets character growth, while Ruby stays the same. Johnny actually has chemistry with Gyro, while Yang and Ruby have none. Johnny actually reacts to his friends death, but Ruby, after vol 3, never brings up pyhrra. Johnny gets women(and did a little trolling to Hot Pants) while Ruby is friend zoned by both Weiss and Oscar. Yikes
that last one. XD hey remember that johnny was so determined to walk he straight up wasnt shaken by killing innocents if it means his goals can be reached. also johnny had a physical flaw as well.
The reason I think Roosterteeth ruins family relationships in RWBY is that they're too focused on satisfying shippers. We all saw how that all ruined things before this.
Perhaps I’m in the minority here but I feel like this is a case where they tried to do something but didn’t know how to do it right. They heard criticism about Yang and Ruby needing moments and to act like sisters but ultimately failed to pull it off. They knew what they had to do but didn’t know how to do it. A big core issue as well is that a lot of the foundation for moments in the show has already been muddled. Now they can’t act upon their existing ideas correctly because the set up was messy to say the least.
7 years into the series, there’s just no excuse anymore. It’s popular enough that talented people know about the series. There are plenty of talented writers with experience and animators and others who can mold this series into what it should be but because of ego, money, and bullshit, they don’t get into RT or stay at RT bc then that would mean people can’t take credit for it anymore. It’s ridiculous. Like they clearly don’t have the writing experience. Hire someone who does and listen to them. You can still input ideas and be a part of it. It’s like they’re too egotistical to change and the show suffers for it.
@@ctcdreamer Sorry for the long post in advance. There are excuses though. If you really think about it no one started taking issues seriously about their work until AFTER volume 3, and volume 4 was their first year with the new animation engine. Coupled with inexperience and trying to do too much the volume could have been better but the ideas weren’t all bad. Volume 5 is where things really went downhill. They made extra character shorts for little reason and tried making extra episodes but it flopped hard. Then we had volume 6 that started off fine and then went downhill again near the end. There seemed to be improvement there but things were still mismanaged. They had to split resources with Gen: Lock which was hard on workers. So REALLY they’ve only had 2.5 years before they should have definitely hired new talent. But you notice after volume 6 they hired new writers to help and they started splitting the workload. They took advice and got new people to hopefully improve things. Yet once again their attempt at growth isn’t going well seeing as the new authors aren’t able to just fix the mistakes already made in the past. You can’t necessarily try, make mistakes, try to act on those mistakes, and then act like they didn’t care. After every set of monumental volumes something was changed or improved upon to make things better hopefully but it didn’t work. FURTHERMORE I don’t know how much of this influence is by Miles, Kerry, Eddy, and Kiersi. How much power do they really have to get new or different writers? If you could inform me of this I’d greatly appreciate it. AND even if there are talented writers and animators we have no idea who actually asked to be a writer or applied to be an animator there but was rejected. There have been issues in the past regarding the company itself so I could see not wanting a part of it. I’d like to give the benefit of the doubt seeing as things have indeed changed before. Could the writers have an ego? Perhaps. But I can’t quite say they didn’t try. I just think they’re going about things wrong. Maybe I’m in denial but whether I’m right or wrong isn’t going to change anything.
@@MagmaSpacer I never said anything about them not trying. What I’m trying to say is they just seem to take long to adapt to change and when they do try and implement certain changes, they execute it poorly. I’m basing my statements based off things I’ve seen change in the series and looking into the company and watching RT media aside from RWBY to observe the process of some of the people involved in the creative process. I understand they’re putting some level of effort, but it’s not enough considering what issues continue to be present in the series. They even took an extra year hiatus to be better prepared and get everything done. I have no issue with that. They need the time. Animation alone takes FOREVER to do. You can spend several hours working on less than a minute of footage. Some animation errors can be overlooked but the writing? I mean c’mon have you ever read RWBY fan fiction before??? They have better continuity and execution than the series creators themselves and that’s just sad. I enjoy the series and I love the characters, it’s just really frustrating and upsetting to see and understand how scenes should flow and see the execution fail so spectacularly. And I’m referring to that Blake and Ruby scene when they were fighting the Grimm. Since we’ve only seen them interact on screen like twice, Blake’s entire plea just seems forced and fake and that’s upsetting. I loved the scene where Blake pokes fun at Ruby for not understanding her semblance and that banter. That cool and refreshing to see. But that interaction is not enough to warrant such a dramatic response from Blake. It’s like the equivalent of watching someone go on a first date with someone and 5 minutes later they profess their undying love and ask you to marry them. It’s absolutely ridiculous. And there are so many different opportunities for them to interact in the series in little ways that if enough were built up, could definitely have justified that moment. Volume 6 is actually my favorite volume. I’m learning now that more people are very critical about it. I even have the DVD because I enjoyed that volume so much personally so I want to watch more YT content and see what the main critiques were. I’ve invested time and money into RT, for RWBY specifically so it’s disappointing to see certain issues continue to persist. Despite how upset I may be though, I still enjoy the series and won’t quit on it.
@@ctcdreamer Sorry about my misunderstanding then. Although while it can be sad to say that fans have more continuity the fans also have the hindsight. We already saw what the show did and can easily have the resources and time to fix or do something different. At least in the mediums those fans choose.
I question how Ruby thought help would come when they knew nothing about the Relic of Creations abilities and weren't even planning to use it. So what made Ruby think any of the countries would be able to Round up a worthy army and fly fast enough to another country to help Atlas? Then there's the fact Ruby thought they needed to at least get a "warning" to the other countries. Wanna know what good knowing Salem exists did for the most highly advanced country in the world? Nada, bupkiss, zip, they still got destroyed from the inside AND SALEM BARELY DID ANYTHING. Then again it was also team RWBY's fault for withholding information about Salem thus keeping Atlas focused on a plan that wasn't going to work and stopping Atlas from forming a plan THAT COULD WORK.
does she even she wants help? I think she made that video to make a fool out of Iornwood , girl was too busy playing pingpong with him she forgots who's the real villan is!
Not to mention that her entire thought process seemed to be based on the idea that the leaders of the world's nations would all just take the word of a random teenage girl they know absolutely nothing about completely at face value. Yes, she said they could ask Goodwitch and Theodor to confirm it, but how convincing does she think the claim "There's an ancient immortal witch who predates modern society that's trying to destroy the world, and if you don't believe me then go ask your local college dean. Also, don't trust the man with the most powerful military on the planet, because I totally give you my word that he's not trustworthy" is going to be? Even if they were able to magically gather and teleport sizable armies in a matter of minutes/hours, why in the world did *anyone* on their team think that this would actually convince the other kingdoms to do so? I feel like every decision RWBY makes in this series just reinforces Ren's point that they're a bunch of inexperienced kids who have no idea what the hell they're doing, and need to stop trying to take charge instead of listening to people with more experience. Sometimes it seems like the writers forget that just because the audience follows RWBY/JNPR, it doesn't mean that all of the other characters in the series have also seen them doing the things they've done and learned the same information that they've learned.
@@VenathTehN3RD To be fair to Ruby by like, 1%. Having someone tell you all these things over a communication that was thought to be down for an unknowable amount of time would at least get higher ups to question things. Then there's the other... Only remaining head master that knows about this to give some decent input to maybe convince people but that would take a lot of pushing and pulling Atlas and Mantle did not have time for. I find it fucking insane that Yang says "Were we not ready to save Haven?" I immediately started to laugh hysterically thinking they were plot armor lucky that Yang didn't come back up bodiless with Cinder holding her head because she thought it was a good idea to go alone down an elevator shaft where two Maidens are battling it out POSSIBLY. I'm gonna paraphrase the next line Yang said "I'm not saying we did everything correctly but if we sat back and did nothing things could have gone a lot worse." Girl I'm surprised things didn't go a lot worse BECAUSE you did something so incredibly stupid on both accounts the next one being everyone agreeing that stealing an Airship was a good idea. The next stupid thing that finally had repercussions but was a little later instead of unfortunately not immediately was Blake and Yang for some reason having the bright idea of telling Robyn the details of what they're plans are for the tower. They knew next to nothing about this woman and her group only hearsay that she's Robin Hood but didn't know of where the supplies she took actually went. I wish Ren was able to call out more of their stupidity or someone honestly.
_[Ruby]’s also got a dead mom. Who was added to the series at the last possible second on a whim because RuWamBY’s writing likes to fly by the seat of its oversized clown pants._
When I first watched this episode, I said it was one of my favorites because the characters “talked”. Now, looking back, this episode was, I’m sorry, TERRIBLE. “Trust is a risk?” You’re telling me THAT’S the theme after they spent an ENTIRE VOLUME not trusting Ironwood and partially starting this whole conflict?? Wtf? And don’t even getting me started on Ozpin feeling the need to beg for forgiveness from team RWBY 🤦♀️
I'm still annoyed with how they handled that revelation with Oz, and how the writers made it clear that they think he's supposed to be in the wrong for lying. Qrow and Ironwood I can at least understand. Ozpin has known them for years, likely decades, so they at least have a solid reason to be upset that he didn't give them the full rundown about their enemy - at this point they've devoted most of their lives to a cause without knowing what they were actually up against. But RWBY/JNPR? He's known them for about two years as of V6. Of that two years, his only interactions with them in the first year were a handful of discussions where he provided them with advice as a teacher (nothing that really allowed him to get to know them as people), and in the second year they spent damn near the entire time completely separated with RWBY/JNPR thinking he was dead. Given how utterly reckless and cocky they tended to be during that time, it'd make sense that he didn't think they were ready to know even if he *did* have every reason to believe they were good people that wouldn't likely be disheartened by the truth. Then when they finally were reunited, it was almost immediately followed up by one of his oldest and most trusted lieutenants being revealed as a traitor, which probably served as a good reminder of why he doesn't just trust that information with any random teenager from his school who says that they're on his side. I've mentioned it before, but sometimes it seriously feels like the writers flat out forget that just because the audience is following RWBY/JNPR and has seen the things they've done and gotten to know their characters, it doesn't mean that all of the other characters have done the same. Being the protagonists doesn't mean that they've actually given people any reason to trust them in-universe.
The sole purpose of this scene is just to remind us that those two are sisters. Why else would we not care about what they are saying or forget about it literally minutes later.Especially between two main characters? It’s just lifeless…
The way Ruby says “that’s a risk we haven’t considered” is so strange to me, it’s so awkward, I’m not sure if it’s the way it’s said or just the line itself.
I think It was the line itself. Up to that point ruby was so against risking anything; so her changing her mind on it and wanting to risk something just felt kinda random
I agree that when I look at this scene ruby looked more real than yang(not the part about summer being grimified) until that part with penny happened It feels like RWBY falls short on a lot of areas because it doesn’t care enough to try anymore
*Yawning* Oh, I'm sorry, are we still talking about bad writing, well I hope this subject isn't RWBY again because the writers are not getting the point... And I am going back to sleep. Don't wake me up until the writers actually surprise me better than Volume 6. Just Kidding, keep me notified. I enjoy your content.
This is why I enjoy your RWBY criticisms, Vexed. You don’t beat around the bush when calling out bad writing and even have done your research to back up your claims. Thank you! 🙏
Now i'm curious... Would people rather: A) New writers take over from here and improving the show going forward. B) Reboot the show with new writers. C) Same writers just finishing RWBY and getting it over with.
@@randomcenturion7264 it feels like Iris and Wally West’s relationship on the CW version of the Flash but to be fair Wally as a character got completely screwed over.
Them trying to make Ruby and Yang seem like sisters feels like something out of a CW show where the characters will say they love each other or express notations of being a family despite the fact 99.9% of the characters rarely interact with each other and even when they do it’s nothing to sell an actual relationship between it’s basically place holder stuff, just there to pad the runtime as following those brief moments they go back to never interacting or speaking to each other. I’ve read fanfics where Yang acts more like a big sister to Ruby then this.
A small point of contention there in the writing. Ruby's plan to get Amity up and running to call for help.......... is nullified by her telling the world Ironwood, leader of the worlds strongest army cannot be trusted. Why would any kingdom in their right mind want to come to Atlas's aid after hearing that! If anything they would be fortifying their boarders in case Ironwood decides to attack them. I don't think the writers worked out that speech to the world very well.
The speech should have inspired mass-panic and thousands of Grimm attacks, resulting in countless deaths and people seeking out Salem to join her, but we’ll probably never see the aftermath 😂😂😂
@@garmadonthesensei59 Makes perfect sense if you follow the Lore. The exact thing Ozpin had been trying to avoid. However, CRWBY has made a number of adaptations and tweaks to the Lore, so.... Basically adherence to Lore is only if or when the plot calls for it.
Even if that happened the show would deliriously try to paint them as in the right, sort of like that episode of Spongebob where he and Patrick destroy the town but stupidly think they’ve saved it from a “monster” (a butterfly).
@@thomasraines1396 Oh no, of course they would be painted in the right. That is exactly right. And the other kingdoms painted as cowards or self serving because they did not respond to Ruby's call. BTW, not that this would have ever been considered or depicted in the show. Ruby is a kid, talking to the world about something incredible and unbelievable. Other world leaders could have taken it as a kid who got hold of some comms system somewhere and decided to mess around. Try and cause even more panic with a prank broadcast. Why should they have taken her seriously and not another head of state like Ironwood. Why couldn't they have an adult record the message like Maria, Pietro, Willow. Even Klein. The best person to speak would have been Qrow, (before he was taken into custody of course.) Who fully knows the situation and probably could have articulated it more professionally and convincingly than Ruby. Of course, the writing had him turned into wallowing emo mess so maybe that could have excluded him. He hasn't been the adult in the room since V6. There is no reference as to when Ruby made the recording. And the events through the end of V7 to the end of V8 was supposed to be less than 2 days. Surely they could have gotten someone more suited to make the recording. But all knowing Ruby is the leader so.....
@@DocMicrowave the people of the world would either see her pulling some massive prank (sort of like Chunk from “The Goonies” who is a massive liar) or a conspiracy nut.
Honestly when they brought up Summer Rose I thought it didn't make sense because I forgot some major exposition from a previous volume or something. Well now I can add another reason to continue being disappointed by this goddamn show.
This scene was more memorable to me than anything that some site as a reason to back a bee ship… and given how much this vid reminded me of what happened in that conversation…
Hey, Vexed! Great critic, as always! I really love these! I'm working to became a professional writer, and your critiques are really good! They make me think more carefully about my own stories. Since we have RWBY as a total disaster as a good (or bad) example of how to write a story badly, I can visualize better hoe bad things can go if I do bad decisions! Thanks again for you hard work!
That scene with ruby and yang felt so forced, like the writers are forcing yang to care for ruby there, why? Isnt it yang and blake most of the time now? It feels like shes pretending to care for ruby that scene did feel real at all to me 😂
@@juicebox7372 bullshit, Blake had enough time to: run past Ruby to the edge of the bridge, try (and fail) to catch Yang, have her little “NOOOO!” moment and then cry about her “death” and then go feral against Neo.
I haven't seen the show after a while,and I'm still not surprised after seeing the endless cycle of "It's my fault..." **one transition later** "We can do this guys!".This could've lead to Ruby handing it over to somebody who's more capable of going after what they want while she has time to reflect her past actions but no... they instead have to give her a sudden shot off confidence up the ass and just bullshit their way into winning a nigh-impossible fight.
The Blake and Ruby moment felt random and Blake should have been replaced with penny Oscar or Weiss in the moment Blake and Ruby should never talk ever again caz no one feels anything when they talk to each other like I said moments only matter in the episode there in Take Nora for example if the writers won't to give Nora space to find her self why not have Nora or Rin go with Ruby and her team to the magic Island having Nora on the island with the other girls will give her more time with the girls and maybe give the girls on their rubies team time to interact more with other people AKA people that keeps saying their friends with it would have been cool just to see maybe the boys by themselves with emerald trying to figure out what to do next going or maybe have Ren go to the island and have it where Nora is evacule when she meets different people and she figures herself out without rent there but I think one of the main reasons they had rent stay there and vacuole is he will give Nora a space but he's going to maybe be there with Oscar Moore as he struggles to figure out himself with Oz or maybe he'll be off doing his own thing trying to connect with other people thanks to his semblance leveling up and he'll try to interact with people he never interacted with before who knows I hope they do a Time skip and maybe we'll see the characters change and more interesting way at this point I don't think we really care if team Ruby changes cuz they haven't changed except for maybe Weiss a little bit but other than that I think we all just don't care at this point even if you ship these characters with each other or another side character you really like does anybody really care about team Ruby like they say they do at this point Ruby's basically still the same kid as she was in volume one through three she's grown up maybe like 2% black is just there I don't even remember what her character are originally was cuz when volume 4 hit I just started to hate her after that Yang is also just there and she's just being used for plot when they need somebody to be a heavy hitter and a fight and have random moments that should go to other characters why is this ark feel like it should have had more to it and volume six through eight with tying up everything with her family but it feels like they rushed it and just put bits and pieces of it here and there throughout these past few volumes and say there you go her arcs done I hope they write these characters better in the last two volumes they have at best I think we're maybe getting 12 volumes if we're lucky we'll get 15 cuz it be cool if Ruby and it with 15 volumes cuz it be the age Ruby was when the show started but who knows hell for all I know this s*** could go for 20 volumes I hope not
Honestly, RWBY would be better off without the whole silver eyes stuff. Team RWBY can simply be a team of aspiring huntresses. I don’t really see how either the overarching story or Ruby herself benefits writing-wise from the main character being able to blast away any opponent at will with the literal power of friendship. And the way they’ve dealt with it has just made it worse. They can’t have Ruby be that powerful until a certain point so they ignore it and make Ruby herself completely incompetent. You could go back and cut out everything having to do with silver eyes and the story would actually function better imo.
That's a good point, despite mentioning it, they barely use "Silver Eyes" stuff. I genuinely thought that Ruby would slowly develop it with Ozpin and potentially meet someone else with Silver Eyes maybe someone who also knew her mother but no, it barely even matters in the grand scheme of things....
idk how Ruby came up to the conclusion that Salem decided to start making grim monsters out of silvered eyed warriors starting "when she met mom", theres no clues as to when Salem started this yet Ruby just assumed she started when she met Summer, it just feels forced simply so the audience could feel more sympathy for Ruby and Yang yet it wasn't executed well at all, makes no sense! it left me confused! ☠️
Same, it’s not a stretch to believe that in Salem’s possibly 1000s of years of wandering she encountered a good number of silver eyed warriors. Why would anyone assume Summer is the progenitor unless they read the script?
I see what you mean about that last part 10:00 about nobody carring. It's like learning a lesson and they missed the mark; point of the lesson. Example: a girl is told to bake something that makes her smile. She gets help from her sister and her sister tells her a story about her mom and its been built up to be cookies. She loves cookies, her sister loves cookies, and their mom loved cookies. Which has been stated throughout the series. And instead of cookies, she made oatmeal.......... Why miss the point in something that hasn't been built up at all or throughout the course of the series with something no on cared about. (In the series, I love oatmeal) and so it didn't hit the audience at all because there was no connection to oatmeal and the character's, are what everyone and the audience wetter connected too.
Yang: …in case you didn’t know, my plan didn’t work either. When did Yang have plan? WHEN HAS YANG PLAN ANYTHING??? She can’t even plan a decent outfit with that burlap sack of hers…
@@MisteRRYouTuby Yang can't "Plan" anything. It's amazing she's even able to form coherent sentences given how much of a moron she is. Her sole purpose is to be a Glass Cannon.
@@randomcenturion7264 I know, right? From near indestructible tank to glass cannon. Worse, this idea of planning flies in the face off what she said in Volume 2.
@@randomcenturion7264 which is interesting considering her entire move set is based on her getting the crap beaten out of her to convert the damage into power.
@@thomasraines1396 Maybe back in V2 with the infamous "Pillar Strength." Now though, she may hit hard, but land one good hit on her and she folds like tissue paper.
Every time Ruby begins to doubt and criticize herself, its immediately followed by other characters coddling and stroking her ego by telling her she's actually a great leader
Its like these writers despise the notion of Team RWBY being wrong
It seems like something off a CW show.
they do
@@thomasraines1396 "No Kate, you did nothing wrong. You're so much better than Bruce Wayne"
Basically the writers giving the illusion of holding Ruby accountable for her decisions. "Look guys! We gave you what you wanted! We have Ruby acknowledge the consequences of her actions! Are you happy? Okay now let's backtrack by having Yang say she's perfect."
RT love their IRL Echo Chamber so much, they gave Ruby her own in the show.
Something that bothered me throughout Volume 8 was how every time Ruby realized she was a bad leader and felt hopless, one of her friends cheered her up and made her feel better. Ruby isn't allowed to realize her mistakes, and she can keep making more of them.
Sounds like CW’s The Flash
@@jadennavarrofilms2377 Don't you ever compare that crap to Rwby, got it?!
@@summerrose8110 Why? Both are trash. One used to have monty to carry it and one didn't but their writing is similar levels of bad
@@jadennavarrofilms2377 Ruby seems to be as much of a tool as CW Barry.
@@jadennavarrofilms2377 Sounds like most shows on the CW.
RWBY: Trust is a risk.
Ironwood: .....
RWBY: Our plan sure was terrible. If only someone had proposed an alternative.
Ironwood: .....
Oh Ironwood. The Stilicho to RWBY's Honorius.
you know Iornwood could have tell them to leave they not pro huntmens yet but he didn't he welcome them with open arm's , then they spit at his face in return , maybe RT staff did the same thing with their parent's
@@loiiysailor1177 RT and, to be fair, many shows have a bad tendency to portray Authority=Bad.
Not that authority should never be questioned, indeed, it should always be question, but never baselessly ridiculed and undetermined for no other purpose than to perpetuate a long since exhausted and deromanticized Hippie-Era "Fight the power, man" rhetoric.
I have said before, but I'll state again. If you want a GOOD story of questioning authority, look no further than the Clone Wars Umbara Arc. Instead of the RWBY approach where the plucky "Heroes" are always right and hate anyone who says different, Fives has a lot of respect for Captain Rex, the chain of Command and his duty. He does however have a problem with following orders that seem blatantly wrong.
Rex likewise, isn't a "Bootlicker" (a phrase that's losing more and more of it's impact) He understands and even shares his men's frustration. He even does his best to BEND the rules rather than break them outright.
Finally, there's no low-blow, "Yas Kween" "Still following orders?" (I hate Yang so much) moment. Despite difference in opinion, there is still RESPECT from soldier to soldier. Rex doesn't treat Fives like a brat and Fives doesn't think Rex is a tool. They understand the situation sucks and that any good army needs a healthy balance of order and independence.
@@randomcenturion7264 haven't watch Clone Wars for a long time , is like you don't agree with the authority but don't 100% disapect them in results , have the character understand the plan , but also have them be nah man there's got be another way , correct me if am wrong
RWBY is one of, if not the number one best example of a trope known as “protagonist centered morality”.
It’s only beaten by any CW show.
Like Steven universe?
Was this also the case for RWBY before Monty passed away and the writing was given to two monkeys?
@@mayah4430 hey don't insult monkeys they could come up something better than what miles and Carey farted out
Lowkey looking worse than Steven Universe in that regard
Ruby's face at 10:08 is like "Why? Why won't anyone LET ME be wrong?! Why can't I have character growth?!"
Everytime Ruby calls herself out on her own bullshit the other characters reassure her that she's this beacon of hope for the world and inspiration for all to follow.
It's like Ruby is aware she's messing up but the writers won't allow her to be wrong.
Ruby knows but everyone deliriously keeps propping her up, it reminds of the episode of Family Guy where Peter claims to be God and eventually claims “stop worshiping me!” but the deluded cult just won’t stop.
@@thomasraines1396 Ha Ha Ha XD That's actually a perfect analogy.
@@randomcenturion7264 thank you :).
When you put it that way it almost makes me feel bad for Ruby.
As if she too was getting screwed over by the writing, almost as much as Ironwood.
It could've worked. Honestly a lot of moments in RWBY are actually really amazing ideas and valuable for the story. It seems what holds the story back from being more positively received is a failure to recall past events properly and poor on-the-fly set up. There's a reason why some shows hire a continuity director, as their job helps organize and remind writers what should and shouldn't be. By the words of another youtuber, I wish the show would stop threatening to be sometimes good.
Totally agree with you.
Nailed it. I feel like I have to keep watching because it had so much potential to be pretty good, but constantly seeing said potential be thrown away feels like being in an abusive relationship. You want it to be good, and you know it can be, so you just keep staying with it despite it never changing.
@@Motoboo_Marine It's like the writers doing a puzzle, but the pieces don't really get together and they forcing them into place. They problem would be different sizes and shapes, in case of RWBY it's like VexedViewer explained: Ruby want to take a risk, but 5 min before that moment she cried about a worthless risk she took earlier. The pieces seem to fit together in the first moment, but actually not when it's analyzed the issue is obvious - But in Case of RWBY it's also point on it with big Neonsigns Las Vegas Style.
A continuity director would solve so many issues with Semblances, for instance
Absolutely agree! One of the biggest failings (currently) in RWBY is failure to properly acknowledge past story elements or established lore.
Rather tweaking and adjusting things as they go along to fill plot holes or to make a scene work.
Best example, characters suddenly forgetting their abilities or capabilities at critical times in order for a scene to play out a certain way.
Also, did Ruby seriously admit their plan was bad, without acknowledging that Ironwood was right?
Yeah but she'd still think ironwoods plan is bad too
@@Axel_Kasai Even when she's wrong, she's right. Because admitting RWBY makes mistakes, is the first step towards character assassination.
The stupid girl is playing pingpong with him she still wants to win against him , she nothing more then child who wants be right and win
@@loiiysailor1177 Which makes me pissed thinking back to V1 because Weiss was absolutely right to protest Ruby becoming team leader and that bloody Ozpin-Simp Port refused to listen to reason. Ruby couldn't poor piss out of a boot with instructions written on the heel.
Both of them is wrong Ironwood & Ruby
I can't see why most people her seeing Ironwood is right - leaving A whole city that have most people to die just to fly into the space for a while & killing anyone who against it , it's bad plan
& DON'T GET ME WRONG
I didn't like what the writers did to Ironwood in V8 turning evil was very rushed & Bad & doesn't making sence at all
I'm with Ironwood in his first plan at Vol 7 & of course hate RWBY for lie like that
I wonder how many scenes in rwby would similarly crumble under this same level of analysis. You nailed it, though- RWBY's writers pretty much solely write to entertain fans and not much else. This scene worked in their heads because Ruby and Yang talked to each other, not because of the content of what they said.
Like I said before the scene actually does work...by itself. The issue with this scene(and where alot of issues with RWBY come from)They didn't completly factor the entire show that lead up to that point leading to there being inconcistencies
@@aarondx3764 There's a quote from Eddy (or was it Miles?) somewhere that's like... "it takes a lot of work to make everything flow scene to scene" and that's just stuck in my mind ever since. Maybe that's how RWBY's written. No bigger picture, just scene to scene.
@@_kenemon_ I think you might be on to something there, RWBY does begin to feel like an amateur fanfiction or a webnovel that was written stream-of-consciousness style without more concrete planning than "this would be the scene for the season finale, now lets write our way there".
All of them since Monty died.
@@Zoey-- Let's not pretend that RWBY was a masterpiece of writing before Monty died either. He knew how to make the best fight scenes on the internet but that doesn't mean he was a good writer.
modern writing is just a check list of fighting scenes, cool speeches, and some sad face talk.
Forgot the lgbt side character sprinkles
That's not a problem if its done well.... but its not in RWBY
"Modern writing" That's intresting what would be "classic writing" then?
and shipping
Modern writing is just a bunch of words strung together. Hmph!
They threw this scene in to shut some of the fans up and it still managed to fall flat
It probably wasn't done with any heart, but just out of obligation. Like a chore or arduous task.
@@Snaaaaap remember everything in ruby was planned from the beginning🤣
@@Snaaaaap that could be. It feels like they wanted that scene to go on for a bit before they dove into the stuff about the hound and summer but decided to cut parts out because they didn't have time
@@Axel_Kasai But they have all the time in the world to shut themselves in the Schnee Manor and drink tea.
@@ceddiebear yep lol
You wouldn't know they are sisters unless one of those two mention it.
They should had been cousins yang being tie yang and raven child and ruby being qrow and summer child
@@kinglightning5256Would that make it any better between the two? Makes more sense why Tai focuses on Yang and why Qrow focuses on Ruby but being cousins shouldn't lessen the bond the two would have if they lived together it would just put them back in the same problem we have now.
@Demetrius Prime, not completely. I have cousins and though we are friendly with one another, by no means are we like siblings. It all depends on the family dynamic. If Ruby and Yang lived in the same house as before then maybe they’d close, but some siblings and family don’t really have much in common with each other. One of my older brothers, though I like him, I’m not nearly as close to. I’ve even got friends who I’m closer towards than him. Just kinda how it is sometimes.
@@autumnknox6471 Except that's the premise they set up for Ruby and Yang but make it fall flat. Hell in one of their data books Yang in their text says she's a motherly figure.
@@DemetriusPrime yang........motherly figure...... Hahahshshahahahahhahahaha
I love when Vexed goes over flaws in RWBY. I don’t know, he just does it in a certain way that I really enjoy. Glad to have another RWBY video! 😊
Glad you enjoy it!
I disagree and actually disagree with everything he thinks is a flaw
@@polarisdream2468 Alright, good for you! Good to know you have solid views on the show 😊
@@polarisdream2468 Care to elaborate on that?
@@alfianfawzi2064 I disagree with ruby having to care about her mother being a silver eyed warrior
This could have worked better if we had sibling moments from the start.
They’d rather have “shipping” moments instead. They forgot the origins of the series of sisterhood.
Wait, Ruby and Yang are...sister's?! Whaaaaaaaat!!!
What frustrates me most about all this is that they had the basics from volume 7.
Yang could question Ruby’s decision to lie to Ironwood and have at least a moment where Yang disagrees with her.
But what we had was no big deal. Apparently she was more focused on sticking her tongue in a cat.
Hey now! I like the crude exaggeration but to be fair, the writing is equally terrible across the board. Don’t blame the ship. It frustrates the crap out of me that they have focused more on BB versus Yang remembering the people she used to love above all else. You can be in a thing with someone and still care about your family just as much. They just…write it terribly. Like if Nora didn’t care about Pyrrha or Jaune bc of Ren, I wouldn’t hate Ren or him and Nora, just the way they wrote it. Ugh. They got relationships better with the minor characters better than they did the main ones. Do we ever really complain about the JNPR? Or just the main characters that seem to be written without sense? I don’t get it.
@@ctcdreamer The idea of Blake X Yang is not my problem, my problem is how it was executed.
It’s not just about the two of them just thinking about their relationship.
To confirm the couple, Blake treated Sun like shit and to justify it they turned Adam into a abuser and threw away the character, the White Fang and the issue of racism as something secondary.
Adam was mistreated and had the same fate as Neji (naruto shippuden), dying in a disgusting way only to confirm a poorly developed fucking couple.
@@martinhernandezdominguez8561 I mean, at least for Neji you can try to make connections to the overall story of Naruto like Neji sacrifing himself out of his own free will or the fact that Hinata in the aftermath of Neji's death gives Naruto hope similar to Naruto giving Hinata hope in the past. This scene lacks this connection since the actions and decisions made my the main cast aren't reflected in this talk.
@@ctcdreamer One way or another yang is usually with Blake or something else comes up to split the team up. Rarely do we see just ruby and yang like here.
So it's hard for people to not lump the ship and the writing together
@@Axel_Kasai I mean, they’re huntress partners so it’s not unusual for them to be together constantly.
Yang and Ruby not having a proper scene alone for so long has no excuse but I wouldn’t blame that so much on BB but rather just the writers bc they like to make Yang forget she has family like a sister and who was Summer again? It’s crazy.
Honestly not really. But I do appreciate the attempt. I'd rather have a mediocre attempt at a heartfelt scene with the sisters over nothing at all. Actually this scene does have some decent points to it. Yang is for once being understanding is definitely one.
My biggest gripe is this running issue where someone on RWBY has the low moment for like.. 15 seconds before someone else comes in and hypes them back up. Ruby's "I'm a bad leader" thing was cool but Yang basically said "You made mistakes but it's okay. You did your best.. cheer up!" Then Ruby's good lol
The Ruby and Blake scene from this volume is what I would call a total failure.
settling for scraps is why quality goes down
@@Schinak How _dare_ you, good sir! To compare this to scrap would be a disservice to scrap; at least _scrap_ has meaningful substance in relation to context.
It doesn't help that this scene was immediately followed by Ruby figuring out the magical solution to all of their problems when they stopped Penny from leaving. I could respect it if the scene was just a character coming in and saying "Hey, we screwed up, but we can get through this" and then the characters still had to face the consequences of their choices, make hard decisions, and accept that things won't always work out the way they want. But instead we get the character sitting around whining for a bit about how things aren't going her way and how she's made mistakes, Yang coming in and telling her that she made mistakes but can't give up, and then moments later having the universe hand them a solution that completely negates all of the doubts Ruby had about her choices because now those choices are paying off.
@@VenathTehN3RD straight up. even falling into destiny islands is a blessing in disguise because now the girls dont have to deal with ANY of the consequences of their garbage plan to teleport refugees into the desert until most likely AFTER everybody else is done cleaning up after them. cant have any newly made widows and orphans calling the titular characters despicable morons
@@darkice60000 they avoided the consequences by simply not being around. I’ll be surprised if after their merry misadventure on bum fuck island and when they reunite with everyone that anyone brings up how bad they fucked up.
The writers chose to make Ruby ignorant.
Correction. The writers are ignorant from the start that's why they can't make Ruby aware whats happening because the writers also don't know what's happening in the show
That's why RWBY has retcon every season.
Close. They actually HAD a source to accurately carry on the story, but they literally did everything in their power to remove that source so they could take over half asked. That source I'm referring to btw is the WIFE of RWBY's creator, Monty Oum.
When all else fails.. Vexed won’t! Ya know. Yeah no. I’ll always miss what true semblance of a sister dynamic they had at the beginning of this series. Admittedly. Those first three volumes just keep looking more and more amazing the more I see where we are now
Even in the first three Volumes their relationship was hard to buy seeing as Yang unapologetically left Ruby on her first day at Beacon to hang out with her friends (who were nothing but shadows and we never saw again), and later in Volume 3 she goes to look for Blake instead of Ruby (when one of her main traits is supposed to be that she’s overprotective of Ruby). A true showing Ruby and Yang’s sisterhood seems to only be possible in fanfiction.
@@thomasraines1396 that's the thing. To people it's less than what it was before and that's a issue
@@Axel_Kasai exactly
@@thomasraines1396 lol literally fanfics for Ruby capture anything better than the actual series
@@RenSenpai7 that’s true.
I know that 90% of the issue in RWBY come from the writing, but I'm starting to think that they've expanded the story beyond what their medium can reliably deliver; at least with how they approach it.
15-20 minutes of animation spread across 10+ characters in which most of it is regurgitating exposition and rewriting/explaining rules of the world to each other? There's hardly any room left to develop characters anymore. If the writing was good, they good get characters developed and establish lore/setting all at once, but clearly they can't handle that.
Which is a shame because Miles killed it with seasons 11-13 of RvB, but can't write his way out of a paper bag with RWBY
That's true, remember when Vexed made his video about the character cast for the Atlas Arc and that certained characters should be kicked out? A great idea and what did CRWBY? The previous cast plus more side characters aka Happy Huntresses, Ace-OPs, Pietro, Penny, Winter, Ironwood, Willow etc. in V7-V8.
It isn't really an issue with the media covered. Its basically how they execute it. A premise can be as amazing as possible but still fail miserably because of shitty execution.
Thats just rwby in a nutshell
Oh their medium is fine. They're just idiots who needed more money to make a decent show. Anime companies produce decent work all the time so I don't see anything but finances being behind the trash tier quality. The medium is fine the company isn't.
@@Zoey-- money isn't the issue. Its the quality of writing that matters the most. They can have the most extravagant budget but it won't mean shit if the writing is garbage. Just look at Game of Thrones season 8
I really hate with every fiber of my being that, dispite Ruby and the gang literally being the reason things got so bad with Atalas and the fact that they made every possible decision that put everything at risk or outright worsen the situation, they suffered NO CONSEQUENCES.
And I don't mean Salem getting the relics. I mean REAL consequences. Where are the mountain of bodies of civilians due to Ruby and the gang primarily sitting on their asses drinking tea? Where is the exhaustion from stretching themselves to far trying to protect people? Hell, where is any sort of tension that they might fail? ANYTHING to show that they screwed up and cost people their lives.
For Christ sake, they just brought two cites worth of people into a desert land that is famously known to be dangerous and wild. Not to mention that Salem will be on the way. If anything, I think just bringing all those people there is a fate worse than if they left them in atlas because now they get to experience the harsh reality of a blistering desert.
And those hundreds of thousands of people will most likely disappear or never be brought up again.
God I missed RWBY pissing vex off
It still pisses him off. But now, he's just too tired of RWBY's bad writing to warrant getting enraged.
vex pisses on fans
There's a big ol' y in the middle of Vex's logo and I just can't help staring at it now. Seemed rather appropriate
'Why?'
The only real through line this show has had since V3 is that Salem is the big bad, and even that was discarded by V8. Now there is no footing whatsoever. The writers have written themselves into a corner and are enacting this emergency Kingdom Hearts plot as a result. Maybe we'll get to see Hanna Barbara and Looney Toons characters on Destiny Island before WarnerMedia divests itself of Rooster Teeth.
I think that in isolation this scene is actually fanstatic and I like how Ruby and Yang switch roles from their previous scene with Ruby being the pessimistic one and Yang being positive. That being said in the context of the show alot of issues do surface.
It's the story of a lot of things in RWBY. Good scenes on their own weighed down by outside factors.
@@jjilatt123 Ikr
Ruby has got to be the most underwritten main character in fiction.
What really got to me is that after Ruby and Yang's argument, Blake and her opinion still came up in it instead of Ruby's. It's like Yang was more focused on what Blake would think of her because she wouldn't go with Ruby's plan, instead of thinking of Ruby and how they could have handled things. It's like she forgot she actually had a sister and is focusing on the thing that barely matters at the moments and only paid attention when Ruby had a small breakdown.
They barely act like sisters period.
Lmao even though the scene was about Yang and Ruby, Blake’s name still somehow come up. Weiss could have told her but they just wanted us to know that Blake tells her everything. Smdh
Are you serious?
@@thomasraines1396 quite I’m just so tired of Yang’s character being about Blake. She used to be my favorite character so it’s upsetting what they’ve done with her.
@@swagkura that sounds terrible.
Whenever Poochie's not onscreen, everyone needs to ask, "Where's Poochie?"
this scene would work if it matters , some of the scenes they put so far don't even matter if the writer's don't care for them , is good for once Ruby and Yang share a moment but that didn't last long when Yang fells off they have only Blake calls for her and Ruby and Weiss stand there like Idiots letting her fall down , the problem with this every time they put a idea to make the plot better they just forget it about it and retcon it , Ruby and Yang moment's shouldn't be fan service , the only fan service they to put effect into is Bubblebee , because exporting ms.angry allot and ms. cat princess relationship is more important then anythen else's in the show!
I'm not suprised to be honest I've stopped seeing them as characters anymore their just wish fulfilment and box checks to please the rabbid fans
Remember guys ironwoods evil for not risking an entire city and thousands of lifes on a maybe but team rwby is our heros for standing by and sipping tea while the people of atlas fight for there life
And also displacing hundreds of thousands in a desert land that thrives on the “strong survive”.
Salem: (rubbing her hands after arriving in the desert where the citizens are) Well, well, well, your “heroes” certainly screwed you over royally.
@@rosesongoku6980 she’s probably thinking something along the lines: “I’m honestly surprised this actually happened, no one can be this stupid.”
@@thomasraines1396 HAHA! Exactly! “They care about you soooooo much, so where do they send you? The very next place that I’m going to raze to the ground.”
@@rosesongoku6980 it would be like sending a bunch of chickens into a fox’s den.
I feel like RWBY would've been a better written show if Monty hadn't made friends with RoosterTeeth to help him create the show. Monty could've gone to anyone else who was highly skilled in character development, world building, lore-keeping and much more. But instead Monty went to a team of college dropouts who are only good at creating parodies and playing video games. I know I sound like a scumbag for saying that, but I at least finally am able to say what's on my mind. RWBY sucks because the people behind it are unqualified to handle the responsibility of making it and developing it. Monty should've recognized that before he tragically past away. This show could have been so much better if RoosterTeeth said, "Nah. Go find someone else." Someday when this show ends, I hope that this series is rebooted properly by someone who isn't friends with RoosterTeeth or a member of the fandom. Someone who actually understands storytelling. That's what I have to say on the matter.
💯💯💯
I mean I don't really see what you said that's really all that productive. I think RWBY is flawed but any show that's as bad as RWBY is at the moment would be better if it had better writers. That's just a given and basic common sense. And tbh....alot of people don't like to admit this but Monty wasn't all that good at storytelling himself. Or making the best choices for his show. I know alot of people like to endlessly praise Monty but what carried RWBY from the beginning was the fight scenes and iconic character designs. And music. That was at the beginning when no one was complaining as much. Miles and Kerry fully taking the reins of the show only drove it deeper into an already sinking hole. Monty was putting in last minute additions at random and RT had to make WoR due to the world being so underdeveloped. It would've taken a miracle to make RWBY a good show on its own merits post Vol 3. I keep telling people that RWBY always has had flaws since its inception and they've just become more visible overtime. The narrative was never RWBY's strongpoint, it was a combination of random stuff that made it iconic.
imagine Netflix pick this up instead 😳
@@AuroraExhale I agree.
Ironwood is the mom that Yang and Ruby never had
Remember, IRONWOOD IS RIGHT!
Call me heartless but I felt nothing by that “touching scene”. I hardly saw Ruby and Yang ever get together and have this moment AS SISTERS since she got hitched with Blake, apart with them arguing at the beginning of volume 8…
Not to mention, yeah…I like the fact that what Ruby’s decisions throughout volume 7 till that point was entirely wrong and she deserved to be very guilty about it…but then immediately Yang pointed her out that she quote “didn’t do anything wrong”…yeah. That be like saying “only the bad guys do the bad thing. We good guys only do the “right thing””… =3=
If you havent already please do a video on the talk between Blake and Ruby. People still wont believe me when I say Blake and Ruby havent had a single heart to heart since the start of the series. And now we are supposed to believe Blake looked up to her?
They only spoke like once prior to Blake’s little speech about how awesome Ruby is, and that had to with fucking books.
I purposely try to forget about that scene because it got me so angry. You think the sister talk was forced? BLAKE SPOKE OUT HER ASS when talking to an unconscious Ruby who could come to by someone yelling at them. But that scene was just awful on so many levels, that I just like to forget it exists. The analysis should be taking the scene and flushing in down the toilet because it was that terrible. It was too obviously forced that it makes me uncomfortable and angry.
@@ctcdreamer that sounds terrible, I would try and forget it as well.
@@thomasraines1396 XD still a better visual than the atrocity they produced
@@ctcdreamer it is.
As soon as I saw this scene, it felt so forced to me. So now you remember you have a sister instead of worrying so much about Blake’s opinion? Also that jog animation was 😂. Speaking of opinions as you clearly detailed in the video, Yang voiced her opinion on Ruby’s leadership but then she doubles back on it because why??? Nothing Ruby did brought Yang, Ren, Jaune and Oscar back safely. That was Hazel and Ozpin. Now if Ruby’s message had help arrive and save Yang’s group from Salem, that would be a much better way to do that imo, in which case Yang’s statement when her and Ruby talk about optimism would make sense. This also goes back to the writers trying to portray Team RWBY as always right so Yang’s statement actually means, “It doesn’t matter if we fucked up, at least we tried.” Which I guess Yang is saying well she fucked up too when she got interrupted by the hound so she shouldn’t be so hard on Ruby. And now after all that, I’ve determined the only character with any sense is Ren who clearly stated that they have no idea what they’re doing and they keep messing up and they should leave it to be people with experience. Like Ironwood…oh wait…that’s right! He went full dictator because he actually had a clue on how to handle a situation like that and Team RWBY has to be the one to be the greatest heroes so I guess Ironwood had to go. I just…hopefully the extra year will help RT acquire better writers that actually make sense.
Ren flat out admitting they have no idea what the fuck is going on or what they’re doing was one of the few times a character has actually been smart.
@@thomasraines1396 Best scene in V8 imo. I remember that scene. Vividly. Because it spoke to me. He. Went. Off! And it was well deserved. Need more moments like that
@@ctcdreamer sadly that won’t happen and even it does we won’t be meant to take the character’s side just like with Ren.
Yang thinks about Blake instead of her sister was so force as well , thing's is about go to hell that's what on her mind ,
Yang is no better then a guy trying impress some girl , I guess BB is more important then anything
@@loiiysailor1177 I am a Bumblebee shipper and I absolutely HATED that moment. It made no sense. Like the ship gets enough crap as it is but that scene was completely uncalled for. Yang had an entire sister before she ever met Blake and Blake understood that so I don’t know what stupid pill Yang took before they settled there because that was just whack.
Moment in Volume 8 not addressed yet: Neo basically being a bootleg Adam(almost killing Yang, forgot about hating Cinder/Weiss, having only revenge for story) but for Neo she lacks any history with the characters and I seriously hope she gets possessed by a Grimm hand, 11:36 Pyrrha Statue scene in a nutshell. Also yes to 12:20, at least better than the Ruby and Blake scene since that was just so general
Neo is just a cheap plot device that’s “there”.
@@thomasraines1396 Which is why they did her backstory stuff in novel form despite already having a chance to do so in Volume 9
@@BeetleTricks411 either that are they have really high hopes a good majority of people are going to read it.
Neo is a prime example of bringing a character back purely because the character is popular, and without any solid idea of what you should do with them.
@@VenathTehN3RD that’s very true, remove her and you lose absolutely nothing.
Do a video about Emeralds “redemption”
Oh God, that was awful! I mean it was straight up bad and then some.
Correction: Emerald's Botched Redemption.
Her "Redemption" amounts to a mercenary "Joining the good guys" solely because their old employer stopped being profitable.
@@randomcenturion7264 I thought that it was purely situational honestly and that she didn't actually "join"them but boy I can't wait to be wrong
She hasn’t really been redeemed yet tho? She’s been on the good guys side for like 3 episodes, all she’s done is switch sides rather than redeem herself. I’m sure they’ll touch on it way more in 9.
@@burgermeister8261 I wouldn't get your hopes up about them fleshing out her "Redemption" beyond tossing in another cheap sob story to try and make everyone forget she helped kill Penny, destroy Beacon, played a role in Pyrrah's death all so she could Simp for Discount Azula.
I just remember cringing at Yang's lines. Not even that she sounded bad, but it felt obvious that the writers had no idea what to say
it was like, "Oh shit, it's been eight years, quick write something that sounds like what sisters would say to each other!"
@@randomcenturion7264 it’s like on Spongebob “WRITE THAT DOWN! WRITE THAT DOWN!”, in the place of Spongebob it’s the fans, the writers take the place of Patrick who ends up writing something completely unrelated to what is going on or is so far removed from the situation.
@@thomasraines1396 Lol, so true.
@@randomcenturion7264 thank you.
I don’t like how Ruby thinks Salem started doing something “new” when she met summer. It’s like out of all of the warriors what makes you think she started with your mom just because the story follows you 💀
Where oh know-it-all has it been stated or shown anywhere in the show that Salem has personally encountered any silver-eyed warrior before Summer? WHERE? Nowhere. She sends minions to destroy them. Even in the fairy tales. So guessing Summer is the first does not take a great leap of logic. It might be wrong, yet is a very valid deduction.
@@jeffreysmith236 all I am saying is the fact that Ruby Says it with such confidence I can’t help but feel it’s only because the story is revolved around her. Just because Salem had them killed by minions does not mean she hasn’t encountered any at all. Tock slashed Maria’s eyes and was actually thinking about letting her live. To me I don’t think every encounter before summer was just as simple as she simply had them all killed by her minions.
@@thenewmissinglink8501 dude I was far more confident of my deduction before volume 8 that since the Grimm goo reservoir was practically empty that Salem was desperate for this final push because Grimm spawning was at an end. Nope dead wrong. Empty because it was moved to Solitas somehow. I was also 100 percent confident after season 7 that Jaime would die at Winterfell and Arya would use his face to get close to Cersei since he was now left-handed and she was born that way. Nope. 100 percent confident and dead wrong. I fully understand how Ruby would immediately leap to that conclusion and be totally certain that it feels right and true. She can be wrong, and I hope she is, but her core is truly shaken. And that effects her ability to inspire others and that is her raison d'etre. She feels that despair and terror deep inside. That is a real obstacle she must overcome.
@@jeffreysmith236 it's still odd for her to assume that summer was the very first hound attempt because the one she saw was more than likely the first. And odds are there were silver eyed warriors before summer that encountered salem but it's just summer is the only one that matters
@@Axel_Kasai I disagree.
The writers don't take conflict seriously. That leads the characters to feeling either not present, or hypocritical. Not as in that is their character trait, but as in the hand of the author is clearly visible. Case in point, now that they have admitted that to trust is a risk, will they have a scene where they communicate to Ozpin that they can understand where he was coming from? I doubt it because team RWBY must have been right.
Don’t they make Ozpin apologize to these morons?
They did.
The big problem of this scene is, that it shows that RWBY can't do quiet moment. It feels like a puzzle where the pieces to solve it are there, but taken from different puzzles instead of the one in front of you.
Ruby for example has every right to be down in this scene. Her "plans" didn't work, she involved civilians into combat (even though she should be protecting them) and she has an ultimatum to deal with that costs either the life of a friend or the life of uncounted civilians.
Yang is actually the person who can talk to Ruby, since she questioned her leadership before and she had her own hardships while being away from her sister.
But the endresult doesn't match. Ruby isn't allow to face her mistake and grow from it. Instead her own sister basically says "You were right the entire time" and gives her the solution to her problem on a silver platter. The entire problem is solved too quickly and leaves no impact.
Yang on the other hand doesn't show any concern about Ruby's opinion until Ruby is depressed. I never got the feeling that her going against the opinion of Ruby (her sister and teamleader) really bothered her and she was more concerened about Blake than Ruby.
Add in that Ruby and her team get out of the situation without casualties and being proven right about Ironwood, the scene ends with a bad realization:
The writers don't want Ruby and her team to loose or to look bad. Be it combat, social skills or planning, RWBY is shown to be either right or get out without any problems left behind.
Throughout all the seasons with Ruby, she seemed pretty uncaring about the world around her. It was understanding in a way before Season 3, but now, its rather lost in character and doesn't show proper mature development of Ruby. Ruby, who had to grow up rather quickly when she was allowed to enroll with her big sister into a very prestigous school, learn a weapon that is well-known to be complicated rather young, and have said school destroyed in later seasons. Not even to mention she also underwent through some traumatic experiences involving her own sister being mortally wounded, losing her teammates, and witnessing the lives of her friends being killed.
Now, hear me out, this could've worked, in my opinion, if this attitude came later rather than been around since the beginning of RWBY. The issue of trauma and mental health are so thrown under the bus in this show that there would've been some form of held justice to fixing on that issue if the happy and rainbow Ruby underwent a change. Seeing just Yang undergo PTSD for like, less than a season or so worth of episodes was extremely lackluster as a plot point to me.
And because of the apparent grimm sensing negative emotion and end up becoming attracted to it. There should've been far more grimm that had devastating power than the cannon fodder they are now. Ruby, Yang, etc should've had a bit of a problem with grimm due to their own grieves. Sure, we can talk about the Apathy (which I thought was pretty good if not rather plot hole-y) being 'that moment,' but otherwise, there's no real struggle for the team when it involves action and their own emotional turmoils.
Sorry for the rant, but seeing anything involving the use of trauma and struggle throughout the show disappointedly keep missing for me, especially Qrow's struggle involving alcohol. He just throws it away and all his problems were solved. Yang's PTSD and abandonment issues involving Adam, Blake, and her mother (Raven) were thrown away and solved because she beat Adam (nerfed to all hell, mind you) and said a few mean words or two to her mother. Etc, etc.
For a show that's supposed to be "dark", they seem really scared to dive into dark topics. Which is unfortunate, because the Apathy episode was one of my favorite to go off of involving the idea of grimm there to actually CREATE negative emotion that eats away at people to the point of death, showing the crude and horrifying extent of Salem's will to obtain whatever she pleases.
Qrow’s alcoholism is also played as a joke, it’s like how “Avengers Endgame” made fun of the fact Thor was fat. Yang can’t get mad at Blake because it’s Blake, her justifiable anger towards her is made out to be the fact she’s upset because Blake isn’t there. The songs of the show portray a dark reality that doesn’t exist in the series.
I think Hunter X Hunter author did a good thing in taking a break from the story. Stopping himself from going down the path of Rooster Teeth.
Yang and Ruby relationship is nonexistent at this point. I wish the writers made them have meanful sister moments. Like have them both working together as sisters made Ruby ask Yang about Raven and how she feel about her. It would have been cool if volume 2 or volume 4 had Ruby and Yang have flashbacks about their childhood. Like have Yang in volume 4 having dream about the day she saw ruby as baby and swearing she will protect her further showing her love for her sister. Or have Ruby talk about her favorite memories with Yang as kids with Jaune, Nora, and Ren. Small moments like this would have show us the relationship with Ruby and Yang is special. But since it already volume 8 and volume 9 is coming out. It's a little too late.
Way too late
It's the same reason why no one gives a shit about Cinder's crappy backstory. It's been eight years and we're only NOW learning anything about her. We are well beyond caring at this point and a lot of us just want her to be finally killed off.
@@randomcenturion7264 Lowkey Miles and Kerry ain’t even doing there writing right for Rwby for a lot stuffs, i don’t wanna expect anything for volume 9 since it’s coming in 2022. This is coming from me as Huge Rwby fan, It would’ve been so fine if cinder Backstory would’ve have A lots of meaning then rip off of Cinderella story, If Rwby was anime Cinder Story should’ve have her Got Sympathy for people and reason why she was corrupted, like She was all nice and kind and then something happen to got in her way that made her for who she was, that’s how you should make a backstory of a character but her backstory came way too late and it was horrible way to Address it up front to us, further her backstory should’ve been appeared in volume 4 when she was at her weak state. And Ruby and Yang Talk should’ve been in volume 3, it would’ve been amazing if Yang and Ruby had talk about summer rose and have flashback of her doing the final mission to see what happen to her, and Also a Alittle Episode of young Yang and Young Ruby with her mother before she went off. but let’s face it A Relationship of Blake is more important then actual Sister Development that HAD MORE MEANING in the show since volume 1. 😑
@@randomcenturion7264 also it’s about Cinder of all people, someone who should’ve died a long time ago.
@@thomasraines1396 Tell me about it. She was supposed to be shattered into a thousand ice particles after Raven knocked her off the edge and we didn't even get a reason WHY she's still alive, other than fate seems to like tormenting us by prolonging her wretched existence for as long as possible.
The thing I hate the most about this scene is that it feels like it’s meant to be the resolutions for both their character arcs, the “conflict” of their groups becoming divided, and to philosophize about the theme of Risks (as well as completely unbelieveable reveal about Summer), but each one of those things are contradictory in their own way.
It was the straw that broke the camels back for me and why I decided I had to make my review series for V8. Can’t wait to get my thoughts on this part up.
It's the same problem that we see with something like Ren and Yang's conflict. They have this big argument where both of them are bringing up a lot of points, ends when Ren explodes at Jaune in anger, and then later he just kind of apologizes and the show acts like that was the resolution to their entire conflict. Um...no? Him apologizing for blowing up at Jaune doesn't resolve the issues revolving around the completely legitimate arguments he was making that were criticizing their decisions. Just because he lashed out at the end of the argument doesn't mean that every point he made was just blindly lashing out with no basis.
Acting like they've resolved conflicts without ever actually resolving them is a recurring problem with the series, and it's been rearing its ugly head a *lot* in the last couple of volumes. Like, this is "God's Not Dead" levels of conflict resolution writing. If you can't come up with a way to actually convince the audience that your protagonist is right, then just have the people who disagree with them either suddenly stop disagreeing with them without ever having their points addressed or make them such comical mustache-twirling villains that you have to side with the protagonist by default.
@@VenathTehN3RD 100% this. I think the idea they were going for is Semblance evolving to allow him to see people’s emotions is the catalyst for Ren realizing he’s wrong, but like… that has literally nothing to do with his argument with Yang about them not being ready to be Huntsmen and make the big decisions.
@@Vritzien Ren was 100% right in pointing out they’re way in over their heads but the show has him ham it up to try and portray him as wrong.
I'm pretty sure purpose of "the talk" was RT's response to the fandom complaining for the last couple of years that Yang and Ruby never talk.
That Yang and Ruby are not shown truly interacting or caring about one another. Are sisters on paper only.
RT is nothing if not responsive to the Fandom. Most times for all the wrong reasons.
A franchise like that is destined to be crap.
There is only one or actually two little detail(s), that shows that the SEW point don't make sense at all. 1. Tyrian was send after Ruby because Cinders little "mood" problem at this time, so Salem send him out to literally cheer Cinder up a bit. Then we have also the scene where Salem warned Cinder that she should take care of Ruby, before she get the full controll of her powers. So Qrow was actually making up a theory, why Tyrian tried to get Ruby. Then for some reason the FNDM started to believe that Salem had a plan with Ruby all along and Cinder wasn't allowed to harm her because of that. In reality it was a "Salems Plan first and Cinders Ruby Problem later." Watts, Tyrian & Hazel didn't care, Salem didn't care about SEW, because her followers killed them in the past. When Salem had projects like the Hound in the past, where are her results? Where are the remains of subjects that died in the process? Is there a chamber in Salems castle like the one in the Bluebeard fairytale?
We shouldn't also forget that Eddy stated a while ago, that they start the writing of each season of RWBY with a wishlist of things they want to show in the Volume and then their is a fact, that in the forum of their own homepage, fans wrote their RWBY theories and the writers could simply pick that theories as ideas of their own, because "Their show and everything that's RWBY including fanmade stuff belongs to them!" What's wrong, after the Trivolver situation i found a pdf doc from a german lawyer, who is familiar with Cons and Fandoms and fan creations are fan properties - There is no free use for Copyright Owners, because the own the Copyright. Fans can't make profit with fanart - Cosplayers included, besides the company hires them, but we have still a well working Model Business...so...yeah...
Back to the topic, that Ruby & Yang scene in V8 was boring. And for me it's the entire situation, Ruby and Yang had several episodes an argument about the Ironwood Situation and everybody act either unbelievable stupid or in case of Ren...yeah everybody should know about that part of V7/V8.
Blake and Yang didn't talk really about the entire Beacon Situation, they killed Adam and hold hands - issue gone. Yang questions Rubys desicions as leader, team breaks up to deal with two problems at the same time. Team reunites...oh wait, hound turn out to be really humanoid inside Ruby is shocked, but joins a call with the others and...act not you would like you would imagine somebody would be after such a situation. The Hound only becomes in that Yang and Ruby scene as useless plotdevice, serious Ruby could have been in a room alone. That could have been the start of a subplot of Ruby starting to develop a real fear of losing against Salem and becoming the next hound and of course that Summer was transformed in such a monster. But it's again only a bunch of plotpoints thrown together hold together by characters stupid for the sake of the "plot".
im sorry but the way ruby storms out of the room is sending me 💀
This level of writing just sounds like CRWBY just gave up. They know they can't write themselves out of a 3rd grade SOL test and they just threw their hands up in the air. Just writing solely to entertain and nothing more. Character development means nothing anymore, progress means nothing anymore, if anything I'm not even sure why the team is still fighting. They're not gaining anything.
TBH I felt that scene is just RT trying to have that "take that" moment to those who believed that Yang stopped caring about her family and her sister ever since they push the Bumblebee ship to great heights. It ends up feeling hollow anyway because RT can't write Family dynamics for shit anymore.
This scene also shows the same problem that Ruby's talk with Jaune in v4 and Maria's v6 had: just pump up Ruby's head with delusional asspats that she is a great leader and wonderful person and best girl instead of either justifyingly calling her out or giving tangible advice that she has to follow.
Basically... Ruby's got a huge ego over her wanting to be like the heroes in the books... and people are pumping nothing but "good jobs" and meaningless support to get her where she and to an extent RT is. RT wants us to believe that team RWBY ain't a buncha Mary Sues who basically also play Terrorist to make some point about Authoritarianism Bad... but they failed. So they give us reminders of how Ruby IS still best girl and Trust Love and....people ain't buying it anymore.
Because it’s already too late for that
RWBY is a concept of Great Ideas but lack of execution
some people will use this scene as a proof that, the writers are not prioritising a certain ship over ruby and yang's relationship and i'm like :
- volume 3 : yang choose to go after blake instead of ruby during the fall of beacon
-volume 6 : yang taking blake's hand and running away from the farm without ruby
-volume 8 : "yeah... ruby" + blake having more reaction at yang's "death" than ruby
I'm happy you've pointed out goes as far back as V3. It's a deep rooted problem that not only do Ruby and Yang not feel like sisters, but they barely even seem to be acquaintances.
And Yang whole thing is that she’s meant to be “overprotective of Ruby” apparently. The writers sure did a piss poor job of reflecting that character trait.
@@thomasraines1396 Hell, if Yang was "Overprotective" of Ruby, she'd have been smothering her in a Older Sister way first day at Beacon instead of ditching her for her "Shadow People Friends" (For real, I miss the Shadow People) or not trying to find her to be her partner.
Even before the point I'd consider this show "Ruined", it's painfully clear that, rather than being overprotective, Yang has always, been ditching Ruby to go off on her own thing. That, or she's drooling over Blake.
Being honest, I'd wish they'd just stop. It's been 8 years and they haven't been able to write them even half-way convincing as sisters, so just stick to them being work-colleagues and stop making scenes like this that are way too lackluster and far too late to be of any worth.
@@randomcenturion7264 the shadow people were the best characters. This scene feels like it was thrown in their to stop the criticism of them not acting like sisters but it only made it worse because this is one scene out of the rest of the series where they don’t even act like friends much less sisters.
Risk had to be one of my most hated chapters in Volume 8.
All it was was validation for characters that deserved to be criticized. Ruby being re-assured that she's a good leader and a good hero and Nora being re-assured that her almost killing herself over a door wasn't stupid or anything she's done in Atlas wasn't a waste of time.
Plus the rather unsubtle way they just SHOVED in the word “Risk” every other sentence, as if to just HAMMER it home that the theme of the episode is RISK
I mean if she didn’t do anything about the door they wouldn’t have escaped. She also would have no idea what the door would do to her. I also don’t believe the point of the scene with Nora and Ren was to reassure her that the specific thing was even the best thing. It’s more just about Ren and Nora knowing that they can still grow and be connected without being in a relationship at the moment.
Maybe I’m missing something.
Don’t bring Nora into this. JNPR has been able to avoid the mass stupidity of Team RWBY despite being closely aligned with them. And Nora’s scenes all make sense. She had a mature adult conversation about whether or not to advance a relationship given the circumstances and her realizing she doesn’t have a sense of identity without Ren. That’s what that convo was about.
From "super mom" to "ruby's mom" A+Character development
If there is one thing RWBY has had over there years, is a lot of "Perfect Times" to cover stuff. To elaborate and flesh out details when something is brought to light.
Only to fail to do so almost every time. Especially as of late.
One of my problems with the idea that Summer was turned into a hound grimm is that when the hound first debuted, Salem specifically said it was an experiment, which implies that the hound in V8 was the first of its kind, which means Salem did not turn Summer into a hound grimm.
However there are only two ways this idea works. The first is that Salem did not turn Summer into a hound grimm, but she tried to and she was basically just a test subject/guinea pig and the hound we got was the final product. The second is that Salem actually has hordes of these type of grimm (including a Summer hound), but hasn't used them yet, which means the grimm in V8 wasn't an experiment as in the first of its kind, but rather an experiment as in the first of its kind *to be used* . Personally, I think the first might be the better option because the second would be like skinning retcon territory (if you even wanna call it that) with the only thing keeping it out of retcon territory being unclear wording with the line.
Ynag saying my plan is wrong because it implies helping Mantle was Yang's idea to begin with. The Happy Huntresses were the ones asking them to help Mantle. It's more Joana and Fiona's plan than anyone's.
Ruby Rose is just a way more poorly written Johnny Joestar in my opinion.
Potential spoilers below
Johnny earns TUSK ACT 4, Ruby's semblance and sliver eyes are just plot conveniences for poor writers.
Johnny gets character growth, while Ruby stays the same.
Johnny actually has chemistry with Gyro, while Yang and Ruby have none.
Johnny actually reacts to his friends death, but Ruby, after vol 3, never brings up pyhrra.
Johnny gets women(and did a little trolling to Hot Pants) while Ruby is friend zoned by both Weiss and Oscar. Yikes
that last one. XD
hey remember that johnny was so determined to walk he straight up wasnt shaken by killing innocents if it means his goals can be reached.
also johnny had a physical flaw as well.
CEASAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@hyphenq GYROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
The reason I think Roosterteeth ruins family relationships in RWBY is that they're too focused on satisfying shippers. We all saw how that all ruined things before this.
Perhaps I’m in the minority here but I feel like this is a case where they tried to do something but didn’t know how to do it right. They heard criticism about Yang and Ruby needing moments and to act like sisters but ultimately failed to pull it off. They knew what they had to do but didn’t know how to do it. A big core issue as well is that a lot of the foundation for moments in the show has already been muddled. Now they can’t act upon their existing ideas correctly because the set up was messy to say the least.
7 years into the series, there’s just no excuse anymore. It’s popular enough that talented people know about the series. There are plenty of talented writers with experience and animators and others who can mold this series into what it should be but because of ego, money, and bullshit, they don’t get into RT or stay at RT bc then that would mean people can’t take credit for it anymore. It’s ridiculous. Like they clearly don’t have the writing experience. Hire someone who does and listen to them. You can still input ideas and be a part of it. It’s like they’re too egotistical to change and the show suffers for it.
@@ctcdreamer Sorry for the long post in advance. There are excuses though. If you really think about it no one started taking issues seriously about their work until AFTER volume 3, and volume 4 was their first year with the new animation engine. Coupled with inexperience and trying to do too much the volume could have been better but the ideas weren’t all bad. Volume 5 is where things really went downhill. They made extra character shorts for little reason and tried making extra episodes but it flopped hard. Then we had volume 6 that started off fine and then went downhill again near the end. There seemed to be improvement there but things were still mismanaged. They had to split resources with Gen: Lock which was hard on workers. So REALLY they’ve only had 2.5 years before they should have definitely hired new talent. But you notice after volume 6 they hired new writers to help and they started splitting the workload. They took advice and got new people to hopefully improve things. Yet once again their attempt at growth isn’t going well seeing as the new authors aren’t able to just fix the mistakes already made in the past.
You can’t necessarily try, make mistakes, try to act on those mistakes, and then act like they didn’t care. After every set of monumental volumes something was changed or improved upon to make things better hopefully but it didn’t work.
FURTHERMORE I don’t know how much of this influence is by Miles, Kerry, Eddy, and Kiersi. How much power do they really have to get new or different writers? If you could inform me of this I’d greatly appreciate it.
AND even if there are talented writers and animators we have no idea who actually asked to be a writer or applied to be an animator there but was rejected. There have been issues in the past regarding the company itself so I could see not wanting a part of it.
I’d like to give the benefit of the doubt seeing as things have indeed changed before. Could the writers have an ego? Perhaps. But I can’t quite say they didn’t try. I just think they’re going about things wrong. Maybe I’m in denial but whether I’m right or wrong isn’t going to change anything.
@@MagmaSpacer I never said anything about them not trying. What I’m trying to say is they just seem to take long to adapt to change and when they do try and implement certain changes, they execute it poorly. I’m basing my statements based off things I’ve seen change in the series and looking into the company and watching RT media aside from RWBY to observe the process of some of the people involved in the creative process. I understand they’re putting some level of effort, but it’s not enough considering what issues continue to be present in the series. They even took an extra year hiatus to be better prepared and get everything done. I have no issue with that. They need the time. Animation alone takes FOREVER to do. You can spend several hours working on less than a minute of footage. Some animation errors can be overlooked but the writing? I mean c’mon have you ever read RWBY fan fiction before??? They have better continuity and execution than the series creators themselves and that’s just sad. I enjoy the series and I love the characters, it’s just really frustrating and upsetting to see and understand how scenes should flow and see the execution fail so spectacularly. And I’m referring to that Blake and Ruby scene when they were fighting the Grimm. Since we’ve only seen them interact on screen like twice, Blake’s entire plea just seems forced and fake and that’s upsetting. I loved the scene where Blake pokes fun at Ruby for not understanding her semblance and that banter. That cool and refreshing to see. But that interaction is not enough to warrant such a dramatic response from
Blake. It’s like the equivalent of watching someone go on a first date with someone and 5 minutes later they profess their undying love and ask you to marry them. It’s absolutely ridiculous. And there are so many different opportunities for them to interact in the series in little ways that if enough were built up, could definitely have justified that moment.
Volume 6 is actually my favorite volume. I’m learning now that more people are very critical about it. I even have the DVD because I enjoyed that volume so much personally so I want to watch more YT content and see what the main critiques were.
I’ve invested time and money into RT, for RWBY specifically so it’s disappointing to see certain issues continue to persist. Despite how upset I may be though, I still enjoy the series and won’t quit on it.
@@ctcdreamer Sorry about my misunderstanding then. Although while it can be sad to say that fans have more continuity the fans also have the hindsight. We already saw what the show did and can easily have the resources and time to fix or do something different. At least in the mediums those fans choose.
You deserve 1k likes. This is easily the best comment in this video and sums up all the problems with modern RWBY.
RWBY Scenes have this weird syndrome of being decent in a vaccum but make absolutely no sense when you take in the whole context of the series so far
I question how Ruby thought help would come when they knew nothing about the Relic of Creations abilities and weren't even planning to use it. So what made Ruby think any of the countries would be able to Round up a worthy army and fly fast enough to another country to help Atlas? Then there's the fact Ruby thought they needed to at least get a "warning" to the other countries. Wanna know what good knowing Salem exists did for the most highly advanced country in the world? Nada, bupkiss, zip, they still got destroyed from the inside AND SALEM BARELY DID ANYTHING. Then again it was also team RWBY's fault for withholding information about Salem thus keeping Atlas focused on a plan that wasn't going to work and stopping Atlas from forming a plan THAT COULD WORK.
does she even she wants help? I think she made that video to make a fool out of Iornwood , girl was too busy playing pingpong with him she forgots who's the real villan is!
@@loiiysailor1177 Considering she decided to point him out as the villain for no reason and it did nothing yeah she be playing ping-pong alright
Not to mention that her entire thought process seemed to be based on the idea that the leaders of the world's nations would all just take the word of a random teenage girl they know absolutely nothing about completely at face value. Yes, she said they could ask Goodwitch and Theodor to confirm it, but how convincing does she think the claim "There's an ancient immortal witch who predates modern society that's trying to destroy the world, and if you don't believe me then go ask your local college dean. Also, don't trust the man with the most powerful military on the planet, because I totally give you my word that he's not trustworthy" is going to be? Even if they were able to magically gather and teleport sizable armies in a matter of minutes/hours, why in the world did *anyone* on their team think that this would actually convince the other kingdoms to do so?
I feel like every decision RWBY makes in this series just reinforces Ren's point that they're a bunch of inexperienced kids who have no idea what the hell they're doing, and need to stop trying to take charge instead of listening to people with more experience. Sometimes it seems like the writers forget that just because the audience follows RWBY/JNPR, it doesn't mean that all of the other characters in the series have also seen them doing the things they've done and learned the same information that they've learned.
@@VenathTehN3RD Ruby comes off as a complete nut job.
@@VenathTehN3RD To be fair to Ruby by like, 1%. Having someone tell you all these things over a communication that was thought to be down for an unknowable amount of time would at least get higher ups to question things. Then there's the other... Only remaining head master that knows about this to give some decent input to maybe convince people but that would take a lot of pushing and pulling Atlas and Mantle did not have time for.
I find it fucking insane that Yang says "Were we not ready to save Haven?" I immediately started to laugh hysterically thinking they were plot armor lucky that Yang didn't come back up bodiless with Cinder holding her head because she thought it was a good idea to go alone down an elevator shaft where two Maidens are battling it out POSSIBLY. I'm gonna paraphrase the next line Yang said "I'm not saying we did everything correctly but if we sat back and did nothing things could have gone a lot worse." Girl I'm surprised things didn't go a lot worse BECAUSE you did something so incredibly stupid on both accounts the next one being everyone agreeing that stealing an Airship was a good idea. The next stupid thing that finally had repercussions but was a little later instead of unfortunately not immediately was Blake and Yang for some reason having the bright idea of telling Robyn the details of what they're plans are for the tower. They knew next to nothing about this woman and her group only hearsay that she's Robin Hood but didn't know of where the supplies she took actually went.
I wish Ren was able to call out more of their stupidity or someone honestly.
_[Ruby]’s also got a dead mom. Who was added to the series at the last possible second on a whim because RuWamBY’s writing likes to fly by the seat of its oversized clown pants._
When I first watched this episode, I said it was one of my favorites because the characters “talked”. Now, looking back, this episode was, I’m sorry, TERRIBLE. “Trust is a risk?” You’re telling me THAT’S the theme after they spent an ENTIRE VOLUME not trusting Ironwood and partially starting this whole conflict?? Wtf?
And don’t even getting me started on Ozpin feeling the need to beg for forgiveness from team RWBY 🤦♀️
I'm still annoyed with how they handled that revelation with Oz, and how the writers made it clear that they think he's supposed to be in the wrong for lying. Qrow and Ironwood I can at least understand. Ozpin has known them for years, likely decades, so they at least have a solid reason to be upset that he didn't give them the full rundown about their enemy - at this point they've devoted most of their lives to a cause without knowing what they were actually up against. But RWBY/JNPR? He's known them for about two years as of V6. Of that two years, his only interactions with them in the first year were a handful of discussions where he provided them with advice as a teacher (nothing that really allowed him to get to know them as people), and in the second year they spent damn near the entire time completely separated with RWBY/JNPR thinking he was dead. Given how utterly reckless and cocky they tended to be during that time, it'd make sense that he didn't think they were ready to know even if he *did* have every reason to believe they were good people that wouldn't likely be disheartened by the truth. Then when they finally were reunited, it was almost immediately followed up by one of his oldest and most trusted lieutenants being revealed as a traitor, which probably served as a good reminder of why he doesn't just trust that information with any random teenager from his school who says that they're on his side.
I've mentioned it before, but sometimes it seriously feels like the writers flat out forget that just because the audience is following RWBY/JNPR and has seen the things they've done and gotten to know their characters, it doesn't mean that all of the other characters have done the same. Being the protagonists doesn't mean that they've actually given people any reason to trust them in-universe.
@@VenathTehN3RD of course Ozpin is in the wrong, the protagonists (Team RWBY) are the only ones who can do questionable shit.
i am glad that you are still making rwby content vex
The sole purpose of this scene is just to remind us that those two are sisters. Why else would we not care about what they are saying or forget about it literally minutes later.Especially between two main characters? It’s just lifeless…
The way Ruby says “that’s a risk we haven’t considered” is so strange to me, it’s so awkward, I’m not sure if it’s the way it’s said or just the line itself.
I think It was the line itself. Up to that point ruby was so against risking anything; so her changing her mind on it and wanting to risk something just felt kinda random
@@Axel_Kasai it does.
Yeah I can’t even feel anything from this scene since I keep legitimately forgetting that they are sisters
I agree that when I look at this scene ruby looked more real than yang(not the part about summer being grimified) until that part with penny happened
It feels like RWBY falls short on a lot of areas because it doesn’t care enough to try anymore
Member when the show was written by the Dead Fantasy weeb? Pepridge Farm remembers!
*Yawning* Oh, I'm sorry, are we still talking about bad writing, well I hope this subject isn't RWBY again because the writers are not getting the point... And I am going back to sleep. Don't wake me up until the writers actually surprise me better than Volume 6. Just Kidding, keep me notified. I enjoy your content.
This is why I enjoy your RWBY criticisms, Vexed. You don’t beat around the bush when calling out bad writing and even have done your research to back up your claims. Thank you! 🙏
It feels like it’s there just so they can say that it’s there.
hentai has better character development that this show
For real, some RWBY Hentai actually has them as more likeable characters XD
Now i'm curious... Would people rather:
A) New writers take over from here and improving the show going forward.
B) Reboot the show with new writers.
C) Same writers just finishing RWBY and getting it over with.
B.
B: it’s need the Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood treatment.
B
Personal I choose C and B just finish the story alright make what rwby fanboy or girl happy then reboot.
C. Dear God I just want this monstrosity to run it's course and fade into irrelevancy where it belongs.
Makes you wonder why they're sisters when they spend so little time together
You could do a remake of this show and make them complete strangers and next to nothing would've changed.
@@randomcenturion7264 it feels like Iris and Wally West’s relationship on the CW version of the Flash but to be fair Wally as a character got completely screwed over.
I didn’t forget about that scene. I just don’t talk about because I don’t really care to talk about it.
fair.
Good video Vexed. I pretty much kind of forgot about these scenes too until you mentioned them. Boy do they fall flat. It's really a shame too.
One thing I don't like about Yang is how she doesn't fuk with her mom (Raven) and yet asks her for a favor.
The way Yang cried look so forced & cringy 🙆
It felt forced because of the setup. Yang forgot about summer, now we're supposed to buy that she cares now.
@@VexedViewer Finally, I'm not the only one saw through those fake ass crocodile tears.
@@VexedViewer that’s why it’s hard for me to buy the “Summer Rose! My Mom” bit she says to Salem.
@@kingraplhmativo5178 how were they fake?
@@jjilatt123 don't denial it.
Them trying to make Ruby and Yang seem like sisters feels like something out of a CW show where the characters will say they love each other or express notations of being a family despite the fact 99.9% of the characters rarely interact with each other and even when they do it’s nothing to sell an actual relationship between it’s basically place holder stuff, just there to pad the runtime as following those brief moments they go back to never interacting or speaking to each other. I’ve read fanfics where Yang acts more like a big sister to Ruby then this.
It works about the same as that one friend that has to explain 10 different things about his car before you get in.
There is similar series to RWBY like LEGO Ninjago that can be interesting to compare.
Except Lego Ninjago's first two seasons where fucking awesome.
This is one one the reasons I stopped watching. It leaves good ideas behind or continuity does not exist.
What is this "continuity" you speak of? 🤔
@@donutbevil9669 it disappeared years ago along with the characters being likable
@@blackkitty369 "Only the current episode is canon."
@@donutbevil9669 very true
A small point of contention there in the writing.
Ruby's plan to get Amity up and running to call for help.......... is nullified by her telling the world Ironwood, leader of the worlds strongest army cannot be trusted.
Why would any kingdom in their right mind want to come to Atlas's aid after hearing that!
If anything they would be fortifying their boarders in case Ironwood decides to attack them.
I don't think the writers worked out that speech to the world very well.
The speech should have inspired mass-panic and thousands of Grimm attacks, resulting in countless deaths and people seeking out Salem to join her, but we’ll probably never see the aftermath 😂😂😂
@@garmadonthesensei59 Makes perfect sense if you follow the Lore. The exact thing Ozpin had been trying to avoid.
However, CRWBY has made a number of adaptations and tweaks to the Lore, so....
Basically adherence to Lore is only if or when the plot calls for it.
Even if that happened the show would deliriously try to paint them as in the right, sort of like that episode of Spongebob where he and Patrick destroy the town but stupidly think they’ve saved it from a “monster” (a butterfly).
@@thomasraines1396 Oh no, of course they would be painted in the right. That is exactly right. And the other kingdoms painted as cowards or self serving because they did not respond to Ruby's call.
BTW, not that this would have ever been considered or depicted in the show. Ruby is a kid, talking to the world about something incredible and unbelievable.
Other world leaders could have taken it as a kid who got hold of some comms system somewhere and decided to mess around. Try and cause even more panic with a prank broadcast.
Why should they have taken her seriously and not another head of state like Ironwood.
Why couldn't they have an adult record the message like Maria, Pietro, Willow. Even Klein.
The best person to speak would have been Qrow, (before he was taken into custody of course.) Who fully knows the situation and probably could have articulated it more professionally and convincingly than Ruby. Of course, the writing had him turned into wallowing emo mess so maybe that could have excluded him. He hasn't been the adult in the room since V6.
There is no reference as to when Ruby made the recording. And the events through the end of V7 to the end of V8 was supposed to be less than 2 days.
Surely they could have gotten someone more suited to make the recording.
But all knowing Ruby is the leader so.....
@@DocMicrowave the people of the world would either see her pulling some massive prank (sort of like Chunk from “The Goonies” who is a massive liar) or a conspiracy nut.
Honestly when they brought up Summer Rose I thought it didn't make sense because I forgot some major exposition from a previous volume or something. Well now I can add another reason to continue being disappointed by this goddamn show.
This scene was more memorable to me than anything that some site as a reason to back a bee ship… and given how much this vid reminded me of what happened in that conversation…
It's better than the nothing we've been getting for years. Which i admit isn't high praise
Hey, Vexed! Great critic, as always! I really love these! I'm working to became a professional writer, and your critiques are really good! They make me think more carefully about my own stories. Since we have RWBY as a total disaster as a good (or bad) example of how to write a story badly, I can visualize better hoe bad things can go if I do bad decisions! Thanks again for you hard work!
0:17 No, actually I was more like "I have no idea what scene you are referring to. They spoke?"
That scene with ruby and yang felt so forced, like the writers are forcing yang to care for ruby there, why? Isnt it yang and blake most of the time now? It feels like shes pretending to care for ruby that scene did feel real at all to me 😂
Its funny after that Ruby just let her sister fall into dark abyss. No help. Its like ahe knew it was wupose to be a bumblebee moment how sad
Oml I'm so sick of people saying this shit look I know rwby is badly written but it was OBVIOUS that she was in shock
@@juicebox7372 bullshit, Blake had enough time to: run past Ruby to the edge of the bridge, try (and fail) to catch Yang, have her little “NOOOO!” moment and then cry about her “death” and then go feral against Neo.
I haven't seen the show after a while,and I'm still not surprised after seeing the endless cycle of "It's my fault..." **one transition later** "We can do this guys!".This could've lead to Ruby handing it over to somebody who's more capable of going after what they want while she has time to reflect her past actions but no... they instead have to give her a sudden shot off confidence up the ass and just bullshit their way into winning a nigh-impossible fight.
I just realised how humongous Rhea’s head is compared to the other characters at 7:54
Y'know looking back on it volume 8 was REALLY depressing.... Damn how far this series has truly fallen is nothing short of a tragedy.
The Blake and Ruby moment felt random and Blake should have been replaced with penny Oscar or Weiss in the moment Blake and Ruby should never talk ever again caz no one feels anything when they talk to each other like I said moments only matter in the episode there in
Take Nora for example if the writers won't to give Nora space to find her self why not have Nora or Rin go with Ruby and her team to the magic Island having Nora on the island with the other girls will give her more time with the girls and maybe give the girls on their rubies team time to interact more with other people AKA people that keeps saying their friends with it would have been cool just to see maybe the boys by themselves with emerald trying to figure out what to do next going or maybe have Ren go to the island and have it where Nora is evacule when she meets different people and she figures herself out without rent there but I think one of the main reasons they had rent stay there and vacuole is he will give Nora a space but he's going to maybe be there with Oscar Moore as he struggles to figure out himself with Oz or maybe he'll be off doing his own thing trying to connect with other people thanks to his semblance leveling up and he'll try to interact with people he never interacted with before who knows I hope they do a Time skip and maybe we'll see the characters change and more interesting way at this point I don't think we really care if team Ruby changes cuz they haven't changed except for maybe Weiss a little bit but other than that I think we all just don't care at this point even if you ship these characters with each other or another side character you really like does anybody really care about team Ruby like they say they do at this point Ruby's basically still the same kid as she was in volume one through three she's grown up maybe like 2% black is just there I don't even remember what her character are originally was cuz when volume 4 hit I just started to hate her after that Yang is also just there and she's just being used for plot when they need somebody to be a heavy hitter and a fight and have random moments that should go to other characters why is this ark feel like it should have had more to it and volume six through eight with tying up everything with her family but it feels like they rushed it and just put bits and pieces of it here and there throughout these past few volumes and say there you go her arcs done I hope they write these characters better in the last two volumes they have at best I think we're maybe getting 12 volumes if we're lucky we'll get 15 cuz it be cool if Ruby and it with 15 volumes cuz it be the age Ruby was when the show started but who knows hell for all I know this s*** could go for 20 volumes I hope not
What about emeralds "redemption"
Honestly, RWBY would be better off without the whole silver eyes stuff. Team RWBY can simply be a team of aspiring huntresses. I don’t really see how either the overarching story or Ruby herself benefits writing-wise from the main character being able to blast away any opponent at will with the literal power of friendship. And the way they’ve dealt with it has just made it worse. They can’t have Ruby be that powerful until a certain point so they ignore it and make Ruby herself completely incompetent. You could go back and cut out everything having to do with silver eyes and the story would actually function better imo.
That's a good point, despite mentioning it, they barely use "Silver Eyes" stuff. I genuinely thought that Ruby would slowly develop it with Ozpin and potentially meet someone else with Silver Eyes maybe someone who also knew her mother but no, it barely even matters in the grand scheme of things....
To make matter worse, you don't even get a transformation or cool new abilities, it's a flashlight.
Ruby’s vaguely defined silver eyes work at the behest of the plot.
They actually make a joke about Ruby barely using her silver eyes in a Chibi episode: "(cough) season finale, can't do it yet (cough)".
@@Marc-dm1fh 😦 I don't know if I should laugh or cry.
idk how Ruby came up to the conclusion that Salem decided to start making grim monsters out of silvered eyed warriors starting "when she met mom", theres no clues as to when Salem started this yet Ruby just assumed she started when she met Summer, it just feels forced simply so the audience could feel more sympathy for Ruby and Yang yet it wasn't executed well at all, makes no sense! it left me confused! ☠️
Same, it’s not a stretch to believe that in Salem’s possibly 1000s of years of wandering she encountered a good number of silver eyed warriors. Why would anyone assume Summer is the progenitor unless they read the script?
I see what you mean about that last part 10:00 about nobody carring. It's like learning a lesson and they missed the mark; point of the lesson.
Example: a girl is told to bake something that makes her smile. She gets help from her sister and her sister tells her a story about her mom and its been built up to be cookies. She loves cookies, her sister loves cookies, and their mom loved cookies. Which has been stated throughout the series. And instead of cookies, she made oatmeal..........
Why miss the point in something that hasn't been built up at all or throughout the course of the series with something no on cared about. (In the series, I love oatmeal) and so it didn't hit the audience at all because there was no connection to oatmeal and the character's, are what everyone and the audience wetter connected too.
Short answer: no.
Yang: …in case you didn’t know, my plan didn’t work either.
When did Yang have plan?
WHEN HAS YANG PLAN ANYTHING???
She can’t even plan a decent outfit with that burlap sack of hers…
@@MisteRRYouTuby Yang can't "Plan" anything. It's amazing she's even able to form coherent sentences given how much of a moron she is. Her sole purpose is to be a Glass Cannon.
@@randomcenturion7264 I know, right? From near indestructible tank to glass cannon. Worse, this idea of planning flies in the face off what she said in Volume 2.
@@randomcenturion7264 which is interesting considering her entire move set is based on her getting the crap beaten out of her to convert the damage into power.
@@thomasraines1396 Maybe back in V2 with the infamous "Pillar Strength." Now though, she may hit hard, but land one good hit on her and she folds like tissue paper.
Bar for sisters is very low in this show lol