Hey Vex, how about top 10 characters who got worse over time(I know a lot to choose from in Rwby). Also top 10 characters who's absence hurt the plot(characters like Glynda who had no in-universe explanation for disappearing, or like Salem who was supposed to be the main villain but never does anything.
I just didn't like how all of the sudden they realized Nora and Ren didn't have character arcs since V4 (even though them mourning Pyrrha with Jaune is RIGHT THERE), so they had Ren being all angst (with reason) and Nora suddenly wanting distance from Ren to figure out who she is... which yeah it would make sense, but not 8 volumes in would anyone want that. In fact, people want the opposite, for her to get together to Ren. *sigh* At least she isn't worse than the rest... which isn't saying a lot when the bar is so low.
*Volume 08* Nora: I want to discover myself and learn who am I before I dedicate to this relationship. *Volume 9* Writers: Yeah no, you’re gonna be stuck in Vacuo with Ren while Jaune spends 30+ years in Alice in Wonderland all by himself, this is gonna happen in the Volume where it’s theme focuses on identity. Something that we just established in your character last volume. Good luck with that offscreen.
It annoyes me so much that they focus on "identity" even though the characters in v9 somehow made them all unlikeable and hated. The only person I feel bad is Ruby especially how no one cares about Ruby and her breakdown and was clear she was depressed and no one bother especially with yang amd how the writers care more about the stupid ship than her own sister
My thoughts are disappointment with how they set up Nora to break away from ren and get in the spotlight in volume 9... only to give it to Jaune AGAIN. SMH it's volume 5 all over again
No she got worst in volume 7 and somewhat in 6. Like I don't understand what were they thinking with Nora and her being angry at ren about there relationship. Also there was that stupid cring part about yang and blake even though it makes no sense on why would these two like each other or why would nora ever think that. They don't have any connections, no hints of romance
I’m still wondering why she had ALL that stuff to say about ironwood releasing the info on Salem but when Ruby does it.. it’s complete SILENCE.. she might as well not even be in the scene??? This is the stuff that got on my NERVES when it came to Rwby and makes me actively dislike them. They LITERALLY DO the same stuff that they and the show framed ironwood as a terrible person for even considering but when it’s them, it’s backhanded by both the show itself and the fans. It baffles me. Winter the best example when she fights ironwood and SOLEY blames the fall of mantle and their madness on ironwood when SHE pushed for Marshall law, the act that actually pushed them over the edge. She takes NO accountability the same way emerald didn’t as soon as she joined RWBY’s side. Honestly it makes my blood boil. The amateur writer favoritism is real. I hate them all tbh.. even nora. Poor ren gets chastised for even considering them naive in their actions. This show is written by hacks.
8:30 My thing is this; there was barely much characterization involving Nora and her past at this point. So even IF we could say her past experiences are what influence her ire towards Ironwoods measures, there was so little consistency behind it to make it tangible or compelling. Its the same issue why Ruby's bond with her mother feels like a tacked on piece of her character rather than a meaningful backstory. They feel like bugs, not features so whatever actions they take come more from you headcanon-ing how sensible it is rather than the show exploring those concepts. 9:30 Fuck me I hate this moment. So its fine when YOU disregard the normal people for the sake of the planet but not Ironwood?? They should have had Ren go to Amity with the others and Nora stay in Mantle.
I’ll be honest, I’ve never cared about Nora. I enjoyed her and Ren’s backstory in Volume 4, but I still didn’t really care about her. Then by the time they decided to do anything with her in volumes 7 and 8 I didn’t care enough at all. Even then, I gave it a chance, but I felt it was done badly because her moments feel forced, like they needed to give her something to do, rather than mattering. Plus I can’t stand how she treat Ren and his arc culmination by the end.
I am the same. Even with RWBY itself, I was so done, I don't even remember if I watched Volume 8 or not. I am almost sure I watched volume 7, not sure about 8. I watched until they fell to that Never After thing after trying to escape that snowy territory (Atlas[?]) or whatever. I am in doubt if that was volume 7 or 8, though. I never cared enough about Nora, as well. She was just the annoying, hyperactive, full of caffeine kid (which was her character, and that's fine). So, I can't even point at most things that people are referring to about her in vol. 7, 8 & 9, because I was already desensitized while watching the show overall, let alone to pay attention to the further assassination of her character.
Her biggest perk Is that she doesn't have enough screen time to develop annoying character traits like Yang or Ruby but that just leaves her as meh character which Is good enough by comparison, better an Inoffensive meh than an actively aggravating one.
Nora was supposed to be part of the B-Team. These characters aren't really supposed to have much going on with them and we get snippets at best. Unfortunately the writers seem to forget the series was supposed to be RWBY and not JNPR handing off pretty much the majority of the plot to the B-Team which wasn't all that developed. The later seasons was them trying to correct that mistake but in the wrong way. Instead of shifting the focus BACK to RWBY they tried to develop JNPR. Having an Arc or two focus on the B-Team is fine since it shows how the world is reacting and adjusting to the actions of the protagonists or even just let the Main Cast rest for a bit while we go off on an adventure without them. This is why I didn't have as much a problem with the 'Jaune Arc' while everyone else seems to have irrational hatred for it. (While I still agree that he's unintentionally taken over a main character slot lately and deserves flak for it.) Nora as a barebones B-Teamer is perfectly fine. Frankly I have no issues with how she was handled up to Vol 8. But then they started to focus on her like they were prepping to elevate her to MC status before cutting away to Vol 9 as filler. To build her up like that before cutting her legs out from under her? Yeah the character quality is going to suffer and turn people off.
Hot take: I think Nora and Ren functioning as a duo is not only entirely fine but that splitting them up is a bad way to 'fix' a problem that never existed in the first place (also for some reason I never see people criticizing Ren's writing in the first few volumes as much as Nora's even though she was easily the stronger character). If anything, I think the biggest issue with them in the early seasons was that they weren't a couple already when there really wasn't a good reason for them to not be together at that point.
My guess is that it is nothing more than words with no action from the writers. Same as before, nothing new. I hope Viz Media rebuilds this series from the ground up.
@@loiiysailor1177 eh. At least they will have tired. 😅 I just don’t think continuing things as they are now is a good idea, especially if they suddenly convert to 2d animation. A reboot when done right could do wonders for a show. Plus it may be a bit more profitable as they can bring in new viewers.
13:10 How the fuck can she figure out her own identity when they are still on the same team doing the same shizz? What can Nora do now that is different from what she was doing before? Get more scenes the writers didn't before??? It all feels so artificial to me man lol
@@loiiysailor1177 They seem to have different plans for Nora. I truly felt that they were setting her up for a big fall in V7 and 8, Pyrrah style. Now she will have main character level plot armor.
Nora along with Ren are at the top of the list of characters that could easily be cut from the show and you wouldn't lose anything. It's sad because they were the perfect characters to use to exhibit how cultures differ from Beacon and Vale as a whole. Seriously they felt like the side characters to the side characters. By the time the writers remembered Nora, nobody was invested in her story. All she was was one half of a ship they should have kept together. Why you ask? Because now they have to throw together a story for her at what will pretty much be the end of the series. I mean seriously she acted like she didn't even care that much when one of her teammates died
its so hard to care about ren and nora when theyre genuinely just deadweight for most of the show-- and now with v9 being the END of rooster teeths rwby AND the message of "youre perfect just the way you are" its so so hard to even care about whatever potential arc nora might've had (my bet is that off screen she was gonna become some leader for the refugees and that was her "discovering" who she was)
she's kind of weirdly written tbh, not bad, not good, just weirdly written Edit - you know what's funny about RWBY characters, the men are the best written characters in the show ironically Edit 2 - i forgot to say why she's werdly written, Nora just break her writing for no reason, most of the time she's acts how she was writen in all other times, but sometimes for no reason she just changes into another character entirely, for no reason and it's just jarring, it's not bad, but...it's just not Nora, it's weird
I like Nora, but she is doesn't have a character moment that defines herself specifically, it is always paired with Ren. I guess for a side character that is okay, but she definitely has more screen time that warrants more from her as an overall character with personality.
Honestly glad I dropped this series after listening to your explanation. Her not having any sense of self outside of Ren feels more like the writers couldn't think of a decent background for her.
My issue is that with her incoming character arc, the writers think they’re being clever and self-aware of their initial issues with Nora - issues that they themselves created. The fact that she was mostly a one note Ren fangirl was the result of mediocre writing - a conscious decision by the writers to make her that way because they were oblivious to how one dimensional it made her look. That is, until they kept getting backlash and it finally sunk in. Now, they’re fixing their mistakes with her many volumes later, but it doesn’t feel like it was intended from the beginning in a meaningful way. It doesn’t feel like natural character development/progression because said development was spurred by their limited writing abilities. The same thing happened with Ruby.
What sucks is I think they could’ve at least helped it /seem/ more natural with just small continuities and character moments - that’s why the little continuity with the “be strong and hit stuff” one liner works so well and stands out. Imagine if we had a handful more moments like that, all of which would help her lead up to her current conclusion (that she doesn’t know who she is without Ren) - it would make her progression flow so much better and feel less stiff. Writers can’t just say “Hey look, we actually know this character is one-note - but you can’t get mad at us because we’re aware of it and she’s developing!!”. Like bro, we’re how many volumes in?? Sure her mini character arc is cool, but if we’re looking at Nora as a whole, this one little arc unfortunately doesn’t negate her issues that have basically been there since the beginning. Just say you didn’t know what you were doing with the character at first and now you do.
It was pitiful. They won’t give us the most obvious straight couple in the series but they’ll give us a contrived and unearned lesbian ship. The only solace I have is that the “writers” don’t have jobs anymore. They helped kill RT.
No she’s not. If she was a male character, NO ONE would care about it. Nora’s cute and strong.. kinda the neo effect. That’s all it is. But what do I know. Not like the cute female villains keep being redeemed and kept around for marketing purposes and the male ones are axed off, noooo.. definitely hasn’t happened.. multiple times.
Rwby in general is terribly written. Like 1/10 level writing. Nora demonstrates this. Her personality 'Quirky!', fashion 'Pink', and her fighting style 'Big Hammer' do not fit AT ALL with her backstory - that she was an orphan on the street. How does a homeless orphan backstory fit with this carefree, funny, girl? She was abandoned by her mother in a firm attack, and then experienced Ren losing his father in the Nuckelavee attack - so she should be terrified by Grimm or have an extreme hatred. She would have become a huntress to express her hatred of all grim - yet she attends the hunter academy with a bubbly carefree attitude. This doesn't fit. Then they blew the load of the nuckelavee, and just had it be defeated .. So, that was all closed a bit prematurely.Then they made her character arc about caring about the people of Mantle ...? This feels like it came out of nowhere. Why is she a 'For the people' sort of person now? How does this fit with her bubbly, pink party-girl personality. Then her story was about her needing to find herself outside of her relationship with Ren .. To me this feels like this is just a meta-reference to how the writers don't know what to do with Ren and Nora unless they are a couple. Finally, she is based on Thor. But what is the relevance of this fairytale allusion? Only superficial things - her hammer, the lightning, the red hair. I cant see a single substantial reference, or usage of the norse mythology basis.
Well she WAS number one for me for a long time. She's had the most character growth of any of the characters. But then in V8, she pulls out her weapon in a threatening manner on her brother for no reason at all. Now Maria is number one.
@@DocMicrowaveThey don’t remember that lol. Weiss is our waifu… could only imagine if Whitley pulled a weapon on Weiss.. fans would demand his head in every comment thread.
@@hypeman1825 Fully agree. The show is very biased in that manner. When a female character assaults a less powerful character, it is considered comedic. A male character doing it.... well let's just say that is not done. I sometimes use the Yellow trailer as an example. Yang walks into Junior's place and grabs his privates to get info. It is supposed to be ok because he is 'a shady character' and is meant to be comedic. But let Qrow walk into Little Miss's place looking for info and does.... the same thing, because he needs info and she is a shady character. Would not go over well with most. And certainly would not be considered comedic. Weiss also physically assaulted an innocent civilian character in 7x1 because she did not like what he was saying. Again, done for a comedic "yas queen' moment. Totally uncalled for. And of course, whiping out a weapon on her own brother for the same reasons. They messed up my Weiss. (Still better than Yang and Blake though.)
@@DocMicrowave Dude the idea of anyone doing what Yang did you Junior but done to her… would get RWBYS shut down lol. Plain and simple. Double standards in media and in life.
@@hypeman1825 Well it is what it is I guess. V7 and V8 really did a number on our girl Weiss. On all of team R/W/BY actually. They even messed up Neo. Maria, best girl. ;)
Pre-season 4 Nora was great, a simple character who tried to live life to the fullest. Even the back story was good, though competent writers would have started foreshadowing her (and Ren) trauma long before the grim fight. But this is where I believe Monty's note ran out. For after season 6, she started making choices outside her established character. Seriously, her time as a vagabond basically writes itself for her motivations. Yet they have the girl tripping over "secrets" 😫. They also started her crisis waaaay late in the series. Which again should have been foreshadowed. Is Nora a good character? Probably better to say was she a good character? For the longer she was in the hands of the dynamic duo Miles and Kerry, the worst she got.
I still say that Ren and Nora should've been left behind with Beacon. The Volume 4 stuff for me felt like a really artifical attempt to justify their continued existence even _at the time._ Besides, after the tragedy at Beacon, it would've been perfectly realistic that so many young and hopeful huntsmen and huntresses in training just had their spirits broken by loss and failure- Ren and Nora could've been such an example of the _spiritual_ loss that accompanied the destruction of Beacon, simply disappearing into the world never to be heard from again. Meanwhile, Ruby and Jaune- her first friend at Beacon and the one who had the furthest to grow into a hero- would set off together on their lonesome at the beginning of Volume 4. And the cast would be two characters less bloated.
This might be a hot take (probably not) but even with the flaws I still love Team JNR because they're everything Team RWBY isn't. They actually act like a team, they never split up while RWBY got separated way too long, and they actually hang out like friends. What I mean to say is that their relationship feels organic, the moment in the last episode of V4 when they just sit together, their moment looking at Pyrrha's statue, even in V8 when Ren needs to apologize to Nora, the conversation starts with the three of them in the room, because Jaune is a key part of that relationship and he also needed to talk to Ren. I think it's crazy how the show could not make RWBY feel organic while JNR is right there proving that the writers are able to do this. Also, I'm talking post-V3 of course, before RWBY was great.
I don't necessarily think vol 5 was bad for all of em I think a certain watts got some positive's from the volume given he mainly wasn't apart of that volume compared to a lot of others since that volume made him more competent and smart out of Salem's pawns with the amount we saw him in the volume
Unlike everyone here tho I think RWBY isn't a bad show with the inclusion of team JNPR since Jaune and Ruby are foils of one another. However, I believe they should've separated or taken their roles in separate directions. Although, Jaune getting infected by Ozpin would've made more narrative sense than some random kid
What do you think is better, for a woman to find herself BY HERSELF where she could make mistakes and hurt herself in the future or find herself with her man?
honestly no personally she isn't a good character, her character was planned to be assassinated moving forward from me and my man have been through everything together to "I'm a girl boss and am independent so now it's time for me to leave you" it doesn't really help because even heckuva boss shows that two characters actually loving each other through thick and thin is more entertaining and enjoyable than "I need to be independent in the most toxic way possible" tldr: they wanted to make her a strong female character and instead remade Harley Quin and toxic femininity
Really?… I mean there’s… Ozpin maybe?.. Oscar is just a kid doing his best given his situation? Jaune has actually apologized for his wrongdoings and keeps pushing… uhhhh… okay yeah that’s kinda it. Maybe Weiss I guess?
@@NeoZeta Yes actually. What.. you gonna say Ruby or something. Jaune has better development than the entire title team. Oscar had he been a girl would be a fan favorite given his predicament.
@@summerking-wq1sd Oh no, your assessment is correct. Except the part that they still are not good characters. Being better than Ruby is not saying much. Actually, it's not saying anything at all.
What video should I do next?
Deadpool and Wolverine review
Might as well do all of jnpr
The duality of rwby...comparing the monty era rwby to the current era rwby
Hey Vex, how about top 10 characters who got worse over time(I know a lot to choose from in Rwby). Also top 10 characters who's absence hurt the plot(characters like Glynda who had no in-universe explanation for disappearing, or like Salem who was supposed to be the main villain but never does anything.
Sun wukong
I just didn't like how all of the sudden they realized Nora and Ren didn't have character arcs since V4 (even though them mourning Pyrrha with Jaune is RIGHT THERE), so they had Ren being all angst (with reason) and Nora suddenly wanting distance from Ren to figure out who she is... which yeah it would make sense, but not 8 volumes in would anyone want that. In fact, people want the opposite, for her to get together to Ren.
*sigh* At least she isn't worse than the rest... which isn't saying a lot when the bar is so low.
*Volume 08*
Nora: I want to discover myself and learn who am I before I dedicate to this relationship.
*Volume 9*
Writers: Yeah no, you’re gonna be stuck in Vacuo with Ren while Jaune spends 30+ years in Alice in Wonderland all by himself, this is gonna happen in the Volume where it’s theme focuses on identity. Something that we just established in your character last volume. Good luck with that offscreen.
It annoyes me so much that they focus on "identity" even though the characters in v9 somehow made them all unlikeable and hated. The only person I feel bad is Ruby especially how no one cares about Ruby and her breakdown and was clear she was depressed and no one bother especially with yang amd how the writers care more about the stupid ship than her own sister
@@oscarborjajr1176 Nora is now ignoring Ren, they might as well break up team JRR, she not talking to Ren anymore
My thoughts are disappointment with how they set up Nora to break away from ren and get in the spotlight in volume 9... only to give it to Jaune AGAIN.
SMH it's volume 5 all over again
She was... Until post vol 4 where someone lost the controller for the mute button.
Then she got worse in Vol. 7.
No she got worst in volume 7 and somewhat in 6. Like I don't understand what were they thinking with Nora and her being angry at ren about there relationship. Also there was that stupid cring part about yang and blake even though it makes no sense on why would these two like each other or why would nora ever think that. They don't have any connections, no hints of romance
I’m still wondering why she had ALL that stuff to say about ironwood releasing the info on Salem but when Ruby does it.. it’s complete SILENCE.. she might as well not even be in the scene???
This is the stuff that got on my NERVES when it came to Rwby and makes me actively dislike them. They LITERALLY DO the same stuff that they and the show framed ironwood as a terrible person for even considering but when it’s them, it’s backhanded by both the show itself and the fans. It baffles me.
Winter the best example when she fights ironwood and SOLEY blames the fall of mantle and their madness on ironwood when SHE pushed for Marshall law, the act that actually pushed them over the edge. She takes NO accountability the same way emerald didn’t as soon as she joined RWBY’s side. Honestly it makes my blood boil. The amateur writer favoritism is real.
I hate them all tbh.. even nora. Poor ren gets chastised for even considering them naive in their actions. This show is written by hacks.
8:30 My thing is this; there was barely much characterization involving Nora and her past at this point. So even IF we could say her past experiences are what influence her ire towards Ironwoods measures, there was so little consistency behind it to make it tangible or compelling. Its the same issue why Ruby's bond with her mother feels like a tacked on piece of her character rather than a meaningful backstory. They feel like bugs, not features so whatever actions they take come more from you headcanon-ing how sensible it is rather than the show exploring those concepts.
9:30 Fuck me I hate this moment. So its fine when YOU disregard the normal people for the sake of the planet but not Ironwood?? They should have had Ren go to Amity with the others and Nora stay in Mantle.
Was not expecting Nora to be the next character video
I’ll be honest, I’ve never cared about Nora. I enjoyed her and Ren’s backstory in Volume 4, but I still didn’t really care about her.
Then by the time they decided to do anything with her in volumes 7 and 8 I didn’t care enough at all. Even then, I gave it a chance, but I felt it was done badly because her moments feel forced, like they needed to give her something to do, rather than mattering. Plus I can’t stand how she treat Ren and his arc culmination by the end.
Yep, the DC crossover things she did ain't helping.
I am the same. Even with RWBY itself, I was so done, I don't even remember if I watched Volume 8 or not. I am almost sure I watched volume 7, not sure about 8. I watched until they fell to that Never After thing after trying to escape that snowy territory (Atlas[?]) or whatever. I am in doubt if that was volume 7 or 8, though.
I never cared enough about Nora, as well. She was just the annoying, hyperactive, full of caffeine kid (which was her character, and that's fine). So, I can't even point at most things that people are referring to about her in vol. 7, 8 & 9, because I was already desensitized while watching the show overall, let alone to pay attention to the further assassination of her character.
Her biggest perk Is that she doesn't have enough screen time to develop annoying character traits like Yang or Ruby but that just leaves her as meh character which Is good enough by comparison, better an Inoffensive meh than an actively aggravating one.
Nora was supposed to be part of the B-Team. These characters aren't really supposed to have much going on with them and we get snippets at best.
Unfortunately the writers seem to forget the series was supposed to be RWBY and not JNPR handing off pretty much the majority of the plot to the B-Team which wasn't all that developed.
The later seasons was them trying to correct that mistake but in the wrong way. Instead of shifting the focus BACK to RWBY they tried to develop JNPR.
Having an Arc or two focus on the B-Team is fine since it shows how the world is reacting and adjusting to the actions of the protagonists or even just let the Main Cast rest for a bit while we go off on an adventure without them. This is why I didn't have as much a problem with the 'Jaune Arc' while everyone else seems to have irrational hatred for it.
(While I still agree that he's unintentionally taken over a main character slot lately and deserves flak for it.)
Nora as a barebones B-Teamer is perfectly fine. Frankly I have no issues with how she was handled up to Vol 8. But then they started to focus on her like they were prepping to elevate her to MC status before cutting away to Vol 9 as filler. To build her up like that before cutting her legs out from under her? Yeah the character quality is going to suffer and turn people off.
Hot take: I think Nora and Ren functioning as a duo is not only entirely fine but that splitting them up is a bad way to 'fix' a problem that never existed in the first place (also for some reason I never see people criticizing Ren's writing in the first few volumes as much as Nora's even though she was easily the stronger character).
If anything, I think the biggest issue with them in the early seasons was that they weren't a couple already when there really wasn't a good reason for them to not be together at that point.
seriously what are writers planning on to do with Nora, while be separate from Ren?
I feel like they're not gonna do anything else with them
My guess is that it is nothing more than words with no action from the writers. Same as before, nothing new.
I hope Viz Media rebuilds this series from the ground up.
@@AnonymouslyForgotten or makes it worse
@@loiiysailor1177 eh. At least they will have tired. 😅 I just don’t think continuing things as they are now is a good idea, especially if they suddenly convert to 2d animation.
A reboot when done right could do wonders for a show. Plus it may be a bit more profitable as they can bring in new viewers.
they need to make her rainbow based on the clips we see they wanted her to end up with the villain girl or the neon girl
13:10 How the fuck can she figure out her own identity when they are still on the same team doing the same shizz? What can Nora do now that is different from what she was doing before? Get more scenes the writers didn't before??? It all feels so artificial to me man lol
how they are planning on having not Nora talking to Ren ?
@@loiiysailor1177 If the epilogue episode is considered canon, she has moved on from Ren and is hanging out with Velvet.
That's how. Go figure.
@@DocMicrowave wow that's lame, then again is RT they don't understand how friendships work, they do realize Ren and Nora are still teammates
@@loiiysailor1177 They seem to have different plans for Nora.
I truly felt that they were setting her up for a big fall in V7 and 8, Pyrrah style.
Now she will have main character level plot armor.
She was hit the bad writing hammer. "She's nothing more then 1 half of a ship."
and she is not talking to Ren?
Nora along with Ren are at the top of the list of characters that could easily be cut from the show and you wouldn't lose anything. It's sad because they were the perfect characters to use to exhibit how cultures differ from Beacon and Vale as a whole.
Seriously they felt like the side characters to the side characters.
By the time the writers remembered Nora, nobody was invested in her story. All she was was one half of a ship they should have kept together. Why you ask? Because now they have to throw together a story for her at what will pretty much be the end of the series.
I mean seriously she acted like she didn't even care that much when one of her teammates died
Short answer: she’s Meh
Long answer: No, because it’s of little consequence to the main characters and overall story.
I think she's fine for a show "focused" around RWBY.
its so hard to care about ren and nora when theyre genuinely just deadweight for most of the show-- and now with v9 being the END of rooster teeths rwby AND the message of "youre perfect just the way you are" its so so hard to even care about whatever potential arc nora might've had (my bet is that off screen she was gonna become some leader for the refugees and that was her "discovering" who she was)
she's kind of weirdly written tbh, not bad, not good, just weirdly written
Edit - you know what's funny about RWBY characters, the men are the best written characters in the show ironically
Edit 2 - i forgot to say why she's werdly written, Nora just break her writing for no reason, most of the time she's acts how she was writen in all other times, but sometimes for no reason she just changes into another character entirely, for no reason and it's just jarring, it's not bad, but...it's just not Nora, it's weird
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I like Nora, but she is doesn't have a character moment that defines herself specifically, it is always paired with Ren. I guess for a side character that is okay, but she definitely has more screen time that warrants more from her as an overall character with personality.
they could've made her like heckuva boss with their relationship being stable
I feel like Nora is the type of character that is supposed to die early on, i.e. Volume 3, as a tone setter. 😅
Nora should’ve been the one who fell into the Ever After with team RWBY instead of Jaune.
Honestly glad I dropped this series after listening to your explanation. Her not having any sense of self outside of Ren feels more like the writers couldn't think of a decent background for her.
She is decent at best to me.
Nora went and pulled a Gandalf.
My issue is that with her incoming character arc, the writers think they’re being clever and self-aware of their initial issues with Nora - issues that they themselves created. The fact that she was mostly a one note Ren fangirl was the result of mediocre writing - a conscious decision by the writers to make her that way because they were oblivious to how one dimensional it made her look. That is, until they kept getting backlash and it finally sunk in. Now, they’re fixing their mistakes with her many volumes later, but it doesn’t feel like it was intended from the beginning in a meaningful way. It doesn’t feel like natural character development/progression because said development was spurred by their limited writing abilities. The same thing happened with Ruby.
What sucks is I think they could’ve at least helped it /seem/ more natural with just small continuities and character moments - that’s why the little continuity with the “be strong and hit stuff” one liner works so well and stands out. Imagine if we had a handful more moments like that, all of which would help her lead up to her current conclusion (that she doesn’t know who she is without Ren) - it would make her progression flow so much better and feel less stiff.
Writers can’t just say “Hey look, we actually know this character is one-note - but you can’t get mad at us because we’re aware of it and she’s developing!!”. Like bro, we’re how many volumes in?? Sure her mini character arc is cool, but if we’re looking at Nora as a whole, this one little arc unfortunately doesn’t negate her issues that have basically been there since the beginning.
Just say you didn’t know what you were doing with the character at first and now you do.
Nora is a better protagonist than Ruby. Lol
Sadly
she got a hammer
Not really.
Nora was quite literally the best character in the show until Volume 4. Like everything else in RWBY, it was good, until Volume 4 dropped.
It's sad to see the writers tear down this relationship in v8 for the sake of drama....
While hype up one that they forced down our throats.
It was pitiful. They won’t give us the most obvious straight couple in the series but they’ll give us a contrived and unearned lesbian ship. The only solace I have is that the “writers” don’t have jobs anymore. They helped kill RT.
It feels like a CW show.
@@thomasraines1396 yup...
@@MrDJFlyHi really unfortunate stuff.
He's back!!!!
I keep forgetting she exists as a character a lot, not as badly as Ren (only remember he exists cuz of her)
No she’s not. If she was a male character, NO ONE would care about it. Nora’s cute and strong.. kinda the neo effect. That’s all it is. But what do I know. Not like the cute female villains keep being redeemed and kept around for marketing purposes and the male ones are axed off, noooo.. definitely hasn’t happened.. multiple times.
Rwby in general is terribly written. Like 1/10 level writing. Nora demonstrates this. Her personality 'Quirky!', fashion 'Pink', and her fighting style 'Big Hammer' do not fit AT ALL with her backstory - that she was an orphan on the street. How does a homeless orphan backstory fit with this carefree, funny, girl?
She was abandoned by her mother in a firm attack, and then experienced Ren losing his father in the Nuckelavee attack - so she should be terrified by Grimm or have an extreme hatred. She would have become a huntress to express her hatred of all grim - yet she attends the hunter academy with a bubbly carefree attitude. This doesn't fit.
Then they blew the load of the nuckelavee, and just had it be defeated .. So, that was all closed a bit prematurely.Then they made her character arc about caring about the people of Mantle ...? This feels like it came out of nowhere. Why is she a 'For the people' sort of person now? How does this fit with her bubbly, pink party-girl personality. Then her story was about her needing to find herself outside of her relationship with Ren .. To me this feels like this is just a meta-reference to how the writers don't know what to do with Ren and Nora unless they are a couple.
Finally, she is based on Thor. But what is the relevance of this fairytale allusion? Only superficial things - her hammer, the lightning, the red hair. I cant see a single substantial reference, or usage of the norse mythology basis.
Weiss staying at the number 1 spot all these years 😊
Well she WAS number one for me for a long time.
She's had the most character growth of any of the characters.
But then in V8, she pulls out her weapon in a threatening manner on her brother for no reason at all.
Now Maria is number one.
@@DocMicrowaveThey don’t remember that lol. Weiss is our waifu… could only imagine if Whitley pulled a weapon on Weiss.. fans would demand his head in every comment thread.
@@hypeman1825 Fully agree. The show is very biased in that manner.
When a female character assaults a less powerful character, it is considered comedic.
A male character doing it.... well let's just say that is not done.
I sometimes use the Yellow trailer as an example. Yang walks into Junior's place and grabs his privates to get info. It is supposed to be ok because he is 'a shady character' and is meant to be comedic.
But let Qrow walk into Little Miss's place looking for info and does.... the same thing, because he needs info and she is a shady character.
Would not go over well with most. And certainly would not be considered comedic.
Weiss also physically assaulted an innocent civilian character in 7x1 because she did not like what he was saying. Again, done for a comedic "yas queen' moment. Totally uncalled for.
And of course, whiping out a weapon on her own brother for the same reasons.
They messed up my Weiss.
(Still better than Yang and Blake though.)
@@DocMicrowave Dude the idea of anyone doing what Yang did you Junior but done to her… would get RWBYS shut down lol. Plain and simple. Double standards in media and in life.
@@hypeman1825 Well it is what it is I guess. V7 and V8 really did a number on our girl Weiss. On all of team R/W/BY actually.
They even messed up Neo.
Maria, best girl. ;)
i like the direction they attempted to go with her, though I will have to watch it to see if they actually did a good job.
Pre-season 4 Nora was great, a simple character who tried to live life to the fullest. Even the back story was good, though competent writers would have started foreshadowing her (and Ren) trauma long before the grim fight. But this is where I believe Monty's note ran out. For after season 6, she started making choices outside her established character. Seriously, her time as a vagabond basically writes itself for her motivations. Yet they have the girl tripping over "secrets" 😫.
They also started her crisis waaaay late in the series. Which again should have been foreshadowed.
Is Nora a good character? Probably better to say was she a good character? For the longer she was in the hands of the dynamic duo Miles and Kerry, the worst she got.
Damn. Id like to have a legitimate discussion about Nora since she was my favorite back in the day.
I still say that Ren and Nora should've been left behind with Beacon. The Volume 4 stuff for me felt like a really artifical attempt to justify their continued existence even _at the time._
Besides, after the tragedy at Beacon, it would've been perfectly realistic that so many young and hopeful huntsmen and huntresses in training just had their spirits broken by loss and failure- Ren and Nora could've been such an example of the _spiritual_ loss that accompanied the destruction of Beacon, simply disappearing into the world never to be heard from again.
Meanwhile, Ruby and Jaune- her first friend at Beacon and the one who had the furthest to grow into a hero- would set off together on their lonesome at the beginning of Volume 4. And the cast would be two characters less bloated.
Hey vex!
Damn, was gonna comment "First!"
This might be a hot take (probably not) but even with the flaws I still love Team JNR because they're everything Team RWBY isn't. They actually act like a team, they never split up while RWBY got separated way too long, and they actually hang out like friends.
What I mean to say is that their relationship feels organic, the moment in the last episode of V4 when they just sit together, their moment looking at Pyrrha's statue, even in V8 when Ren needs to apologize to Nora, the conversation starts with the three of them in the room, because Jaune is a key part of that relationship and he also needed to talk to Ren.
I think it's crazy how the show could not make RWBY feel organic while JNR is right there proving that the writers are able to do this.
Also, I'm talking post-V3 of course, before RWBY was great.
Im here to prevent people from saying first
I don't necessarily think vol 5 was bad for all of em I think a certain watts got some positive's from the volume given he mainly wasn't apart of that volume compared to a lot of others since that volume made him more competent and smart out of Salem's pawns with the amount we saw him in the volume
YAY
Nora should've been the Winter Maiden instead of Winter
Omg all the Nora slander in the comments section FREE YOU MA HEART!!!
Unlike everyone here tho I think RWBY isn't a bad show with the inclusion of team JNPR since Jaune and Ruby are foils of one another. However, I believe they should've separated or taken their roles in separate directions.
Although, Jaune getting infected by Ozpin would've made more narrative sense than some random kid
Honestly all the side character are written better than team Rwby lol
Short answers: No
Long answer: fuck no
What do you think is better, for a woman to find herself BY HERSELF where she could make mistakes and hurt herself in the future or find herself with her man?
Find herself BY HERSELF, is my answer.
Why?
I’ll save you all the time… not really. But she isn’t bad.
honestly no personally she isn't a good character, her character was planned to be assassinated moving forward from
me and my man have been through everything together to "I'm a girl boss and am independent so now it's time for me to leave you"
it doesn't really help because even heckuva boss shows that two characters actually loving each other through thick and thin is more entertaining and enjoyable than "I need to be independent in the most toxic way possible"
tldr: they wanted to make her a strong female character and instead remade Harley Quin and toxic femininity
Yes, but in a middling way
Hey my friend how are you doing today happy Wednesday my birthday is on September 7th
Volume 5 was the real killer….
No. There.. saved you all the watch lol.
No, she wasnt
Nora self-NTRs Ren after Ren confesses tho
Most of this show is just...awful
Nora was a good character, but the writers really don`t know how to write individual characters beyond a ship
They don't know how to write characters In a ship either.
@@DocMicrowave Not without forcing it down our throats at every chance they got.
@@williambragg6171 Full agree.
Either way, all that bad writing tanked the show.
@@DocMicrowave Agreed, I had such high hopes and was let down. This is like reading a bad fanfiction.
@@williambragg6171 Indeed. And I have seen some fanfiction that was much better than the stuff dished out in the last few volumes.
There's no good characters in ruby. And as the seasons come they destroy the good ones
This is the take I was looking for. The only truth.
Really?… I mean there’s… Ozpin maybe?.. Oscar is just a kid doing his best given his situation? Jaune has actually apologized for his wrongdoings and keeps pushing… uhhhh… okay yeah that’s kinda it. Maybe Weiss I guess?
@@summerking-wq1sd No.
@@NeoZeta Yes actually. What.. you gonna say Ruby or something. Jaune has better development than the entire title team. Oscar had he been a girl would be a fan favorite given his predicament.
@@summerking-wq1sd Oh no, your assessment is correct. Except the part that they still are not good characters. Being better than Ruby is not saying much. Actually, it's not saying anything at all.
Short answer: yes.
Long answer: Yes, but up to the end of Volume Three. After which, she’s just there.
What exactly qualifies as a “Good” character?
Well, we can at least know that it's safe to exclude all RWBY characters from that side. =