RWBY | Why Ruby Rose is a Bad Protagonist
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Ruby is one of the worst main characters I have ever seen. The last two volumes have put it over the top.
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Nice video, Vexed. A lot of fair point were definitely made. Hopefully Miles and Kerry acknowledges and apply more development and structure to Ruby's character in future volumes.
MurderofBirds thanks
Their not. Their got away it for 5 years
Hey Murder please look at my comment on this video. I argued most of his points fairly well IMO.
They focused on everyone else the last two volumes, I think volume 6 will be her character development, this last volume they were pushing everyone else's character development was a lot of 4 & 5 was everyone else especially Jaune, Yang and Blake. They have their focus on them mainly this volume and not Ruby since I noticed she takes a supportive role in a lot of the others characters development. In volume 4 and 5 you do see Ruby have slight moments of being sad or extreme emotion which is all you really get as a clue that she isn't stable on the inside after everything that happened. They just haven't showed her changes right front and center and that makes her a bad developed character the last few volumes she growing slowly compared to how they are doing the others. My hope is volume 6 we get things focused on Ruby's growth. I personally think that the character development over the volumes is awkward since the volume are rather short and so are the episodes, if they were longer maybe we could have seen a lot more development of everyone.
Ruby's character development isnt stated but its mostly implied. You'd have to take a really good look at the character to see the changes. I think pre V3 Ruby wouldnt have intervened in Qrow vs Tyrian.
I hope Ruby gets more apparent character development in V6 because Weiss already has so much and doesnt really need much more. Weiss has the most character development out of RWBY
because the writers don;'t know what silver eyes are either
Fair enough... probably still figuring it out. lol
Then again knowing Miles he's gonna forget it again.
It could be that too...maybe.
Maybe the silver eyes were never supposed to be important, you got a world where people name their children over colors, and then you find a brunette kid with silver eyes and her name is Ruby, wouldn't you comment on that?
Dragonborn795
Is your "don't" infected?
Give her a break man, she just wants to be a normal girl with normal knees
I miss vol 1... just mindless quirky fun. wish we could have some more of that, not just the relic-hunting railroad.
That whole “I just wanna be a normal person” theme was left unexplored the moment Ruby uttered the normal knees line, which led me to believe that the writers chose not to treat this as a theme at all and that it was only meant to be a joke. Not inherently a bad thing though. Guess I read too much into it, given that Ruby’s driving motivation stemmed from a romanticized view of heroism, with the narrative insisting that she’s a beacon of hope and purity. Doesn’t feel like she earned this characterization though.
@@am-ranth8955
Perhaps it _is_ too nuanced. Perhaps not. I honestly would’ve been fine with a clichéd girl scouty arc, where Ruby maintains her idealized version of what a Huntress is, all in spite of the grittiness Remnant has to offer. Stuff like that is just so inspiring when done right, and I assumed that’s where they’d go with her character.
She wants to become a normal girl and hero at same time?! *Laughs*
@@SomeoneOrSomething603 Well, a character who wants two things that seem contradictory can be done right and result in an interesting inner conflict if you explore why they want these two things.
For example, Ruby has made it clear that the reason she wants to be a hero is to make the world a better place, _not_ for the fame and attention. As for her wanting to be normal.. well, they kind of forget about this as the series goes on, but in the beginning they make it clear that Ruby is very shy and apprehensive about meeting new people and combined with her reservations about being team leader it seems that she just doesn’t really like it when the attention is on her.
So, there you have it, she wants to make the world a better place but also she has social anxiety and doesn’t feel comfortable in the spotlight. She wants to be a hero but she wants to be seen as ‘a normal girl’.
There’s nothing wrong with the concept, as usual when it comes to RWBY the problems arise in the execution, they seem to have left Ruby’s shyness behind entirely and therefore Ruby cannot have an internal conflict in wanting to be a hero while also feeling uncomfortable with all the attention she’s getting for it.
She also has the voice of a thousand helium tanks
It’s torture on Cross Tag Battle...
@@CNWhatImSaiyan Kinda late, but people doesnt know whats hell until you match against a Chie/Ruby team....Screaming all the damn match....
@@CNWhatImSaiyan the sad thing is your not wrong
It's a gas chamber but for the ears
CN What I'm Saiyan? Just started playing that game and as a Ruby main, I know what you mean…
Mercury got Nerfed into the ground to be slow enough to eat that headbutt, went from a guy who could toy with Yang in CQC to 1st year rookie. Does he have a semblance?
Monty probably had an idea but Miles and Kerry probably lost it. Also, don't forget how Mercury Black, the man with fucking metal guns legs that are fast enough to gut Ruby while she's using her semblance, decided to try and punch her in the face.
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Then you need watch Memory’s review on this video.
Mercury's power level was clearly meant to be in the Qrow/Winter tier, I mean he was the only one in that whole tournament capable of producing sonic booms with his kicks just like when Winter and Qrow fought. The worst part? Qrow was also nerfed in volume 4 in order to make team RNJR somewhat effective against Tyrian.
@@zodaloo9303 even with Tyrian kicking her in the gut she hardly had a reaction, and this was her without her semblance...
His semblance is probably flying but his real legs has to be around.
Really, the biggest issue with Ruby isn't even just character development, but more or less.. She doesn't really struggle nor does she have any impact from events. "Sister gets her arm chopped off." Time to stay positive huh Ruby? Penny gets destroyed, Ruby is sad for a couple of moments then runs off for a moment to fight. Gotta stay positive! It comes off as if they're trying to write a strong female character, but decided the only way she could be strong is from only being positive and having no weaknesses.
The worst offense to me, is that Ruby doesn't even have as many flaws nor quirks as she did in volumes 1 and 2.
Also, why did Mercury throw a punch at her? He's the "kicking" guy.. They established that in volumes 2 and 3..
-X- Can agree. Strong female characters are strong because they overcome adversity, but she seems to get over these things too fast.
I like Ruby's insecurities and flaws in the first 2 volumes. Shes one of the youngest at Beacon. Shes rather inexperienced in an otherwise experienced environment.
Her giant weapon isnt the most practical at times I.E. vs. Cinder. And shes still learning as a fighter and a person. Volume 4 and beyond just tossed everything out the window and made her seem flawless before she has even matured. That's unrealistic to say the least.
@@inplane9970 Exactly. Ruby wanted to be a Huntress primarily to save people from Grimm. So it makes sense that she would use a weapon super specialized in defeating them, instead of a more rounded out weapon like Pyrrha's. 3 volumes out in the "real world" and no one has commented on that.
In fact, that's primarily the problem with volumes 4, 5, 6. The entire point of Volume 3 was to set up the scary world outside of Beacon and to show that the protagonists were nowhere near ready to take it on. Fast forward to Volume 4 and 6, and they're taking on Grimm more competantly than the average Huntsman. Geist? Killed in one episode. Nucklavee? Killed in one episode. Sea Dragon? Killed by two students and a cannon. Train attack? One Huntsman is taken out and another is injured, but our protagonists are completely fine. I'm sorry, but I call bullshit. RWBY doesn't know whether it wants Remnant to be a light-hearted adventure world with protagonists that can win with the power of friendship, or a dark, realistic fantasy epic. This ultimately holds it back.
Ruby should have had to come to terms with the evil of the world, and the good. Maybe even create a unique philosophy, for example, "Nobody does anything for purely 'evil' reasons because there is always a logical explanation for their actions, be it anger, sorrow, past experiences, or psychological problems, emotions make people do bad things and things like anger are psychological barriers meant to protect you, not hurt others. Although it's not an excuse it's not unreasonable to forgive people's faults because it's part of human nature", and also having to come to terms with how people who are forced to be violent due to their conditions fit into that world view. If someone feels like they need to hurt someone, do you just tell them to suck it up? But then again it's still technically not their fault. Why do people like Cinder exist and we're their actions evil just because they aren't righteous? It could be interesting but nooooo. The writers can't create interesting philosophical dilemmas and unique world views for their characters.
Well that’s only your opinions and not facts
The point of Ruby's nightmare was not to help her character, but to help Jaune's.
Writer are too busy making Jaune grow, have his moments, make him important, he looks more like the real protagonist than Ruby. And I hate that.
He's Mile's (the blonde writer) self insert character, btw.
I agree, but I mean, then why not make Jaune have the nightmares instead of Ruby. Sure, Jaune didn't hear and see Pyrrha get killed, but he can still have nightmares and PTSD since his most cherished partner was killed and he was helpless.
Sayem ...so miles is a masochist...?
kyopamyu cause jaune is the coolest
This sums up my problem with the whole show, they lured us in with ruby and action and now what their giving us os Jaune and drama.
oh no, stop crushing the show for me. I couldn't stop laughing when ruby stopped jaune from healing, only to tell him to... not... stop. when you take all these lines out and present them like this you can tell where the dialogue is lacking
Hell Ren even said to Ruby that Weiss is going to be okay and then Ruby's like nope and takes Jaunes hands off of Weiss wound
Ruby was knocked out and only told Jaune to not stop whatever he’s doing. She wanted to see how bad Weiss’ wound was.
PlayerOne I guess it makes sense for her to do something so stupid since she never graduated from Beacon.
She missed the part where if a comrade is mortally wounded and in the process of healing you DO NOT stop said healing just so you can check out the wound for yourself like a moron. Did Jaune REALLY need Ruby’s permission to heal her? Does she REALLY need to know the extent of the damage on Weiss that isn’t already apparent by the fact that she is currently on the floor trying hard not to die?!?!?
@@playerone9822 Jaune: "Bitch I'm healing her, the fuck are you doing?!"
Like seriously, this is like grabbing a heart surgeon's hands mid-surgery and pulling them back to check. Like... In a bit of a time crunch Ruby, how about you focus on the Fight instead of actively getting in the way of saving Weiss?
"She's worse than Blake" That's impossible.
Ruby is obviously worse than Blake
@Lilly Glover Hm... sure she is... I really don't agree with ya there.
Lilly Glover Blake and Ruby are both terribly written characters
Salty BK you forgot yang.
ꨄNot Akariiꨄ oh Yeah I also forgot uhhh lets see *The Whole Cast*
Agree, agree, agree. Ruby has been falling flat really badly. This is how to fix it.
-> Get her pissed at Ozpin for being incredibly irresponsible and disorganised for Volume 3. He's responsible for freakin' teenagers and then this grimm mess happens. And he knows about the ancient feud with Salem, why didn't he get help? Somebody call him out on his disorganisation please.
-> Get her to feel guilt for not being fast enough to save Pyrrha.
-> Make her question about her career choices. Reconstruct her optimism. Despite bad things happening, she continue to choose to take action. She knows she has no control over the world AND still believes to hang on to hope because its still her choice. They'd make a great reinforcing arc of her optimism.
-> Make her lack of experience a problem. She's responsible for a bunch of teenagers AND got Qrow injured. There needs to be repercussions for her naivety and inexperience. She's good at killing Grimm but sucks at dealing with antagionistic people.
-> Make her guilty for Qrow getting poisoned. In fact, make her have doubts about her mission! She brought out 3 inexperienced teenagers into a dangerous world. Hell, it'd be an interesting arc that she becomes overprotective after losing a lot of people.
-> Get her extremely distressed when someone close to her dies. Her mother, Penny, and Pyrrha should have given her understandable but unhealthy coping mechanisms by now.
There's load of material but they're not capitalizing on it. It makes me sad.
And it gets even worse with the last volume... SIlver eyest are almost literary power of friendship and she didn't even get slapped on the wrist for endangering an entire city. That's it. I'm done :(
cooltoonist they did but on the most stupidest reason
abortion_selfie I was think that she sees maybe her dad die then she tries really hard stay positive for a while but then she slowly breaks but still tries to stay positive until it becomes way too much and her smile and her voice suddenly start to crack and she lies on the ground while having a mental breakdown
Unfortunately, RWBY suffers from bad writing. But it’s not just Ruby taking this treatment, the whole cast endures this to some degree.
And I wouldn’t call it a very fair comparison with Aang. Avatar had some of the best screenwriters and story boarders of Nickelodeon’s entire run on television. They began the show with a goal of doing something different, something very new and mature. They respected the audience.
Truth be told, I love the hell out of RWBY. It’s really one of the only things keeping me going. I look forward to every bad joke they pull. There’s a lot of problems, and I think most of it has to do with Monty. He was a loss nobody was quite prepared for.
I would argue that you can compare Ruby to Aang because of the worldview the both share
Kedhar Swaminathan Nope, because we see Aang constantly struggle with his world view being challenged plus all the people he lost. Which is why he was so happy when He saw his childhood friend still alive.
Show was absolute garbage from the 2nd half of vol 3 onwards. Like vexxed viewer usually says... they love making chars dumb for the sake of the plot.
@@celtic889 Uuuh, I disagree with part of your comment. I'd take just the 2nd half of Vol 3 out of the list of "when RWBY started to get bad". Volume 3 may have been the initial point that made everything else after it go downhill (even more than it already was), but in of itself, by its own merits, I'd say it was the best part of the series because it actually _had_ a real climax. It surely wasn't as good as it could've been if the writers had fixed the two previous Volumes for its buildup, but hey, for the series' standards, that's actually something!
@@celtic889Wow, what a good argument, so much so that it seems to be the only thing that the ardent former RWBY fans know how to say, seriously, it would kill them if for a moment they saw that there were good things in the volumes following those?
Rooster Teeth is too busy fanning ships to write good stories and characters.
Ruby doesn't ask about her Silver Eyes because that's a spoiler question just like the location of the Beacon Relic.
That, and she probably assumes that her Silver Eyes aren't as important as finding the Relics or stopping Cinder's allies.
BloodStalker 500 BRAH..... If you had God like power and someone you knew knows about it wouodnt you ask them?
I think discovering more about her silver eyed abilities would be much more beneficial than say hand to hand combat sessions that barely improved her skills
BloodStalker 500, so a joke question about Ozpin's cane being a Relic is more important than a question regarding her silver-eyes, the thing that Salem fears so much that she sent Tyrian to go abduct her and the thing that gave Cinder critical injuries? Gimme a break, it's just bad writing.
I keep thinking about that. The Maidens got added in after the show started airing. Could it be possible Monty didn't have the Silver Eyes fully fleshed out and finished before he died? Leaving Miles and Kerry to scratch their heads on how to fully flesh it out?
I think she also forgot to use her semblance
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Oops. Sorry for that. I clicked on it by accident.
Another reason for Ruby is a terrible main character is that she doesn't have any goal. We don't root for her, we just root for the good guys in general. She doesn't want to find out about her mother, she doesn't hold any grudge against any villain in particular, there's no reason for me to say "Yes, I hope RUBY makes it". Idk if I explained myself.
Good stuff though, I think you earned a follower :)
Her goal is being a good huntress and help people. Her not having an explicit goal isn't bad.
@@UnifiedEntity Its pretty bad when Ruby is the only one without a goal. Weiss wants to uphold her family name. Blake wants to help the Faunus. Yang wants some resolution to her fragmented family. Heck, even someone as aimless as Raven or Qrow have the goal of finding repentance for Summer's death through their children. Everyone has a goal, but Ruby has none despite being the poster child of the series.
@@inplane9970 Well that's life. Others have a clear goal, others do not. Rubys goal is very clear. Help people. That's it. Life hasnt hit her yet like it did for other characters with a very clear goal like Naruto.first it was a title, then it became a goal to break a cycle of hatred
RaginDXDemon But this is fiction. The protagonist having a clear goal would make the audience more interested to see if she reach her goal or not.
@@jojosiwa7922 That's not how real life works. A lot of people will have a vague goal that may develop and change to a clear one later. She's a damn kid, I'm pretty sure she doesn't have her whole life laid out in front of her
I actually didn't realize how much I stopped caring about Ruby's story. I'm far more interested in Weiss' story (which is crazy because she used to be my least favorite of the four, but that changed in volume 4), and the background characters. While Ruby doesn't need to be first in every episode, she should be getting more growth. I know Miles and Kerry have said they are following Monty's plan, but I wonder just how different the show would have been if he was still here.
BoundbyCronus it will probably actually be good and filled with fight scenes
Get a portal gun and travel to a timeline where Monty didn't die of a stupid allergic reaction and find out.
@@vinceunknown1935 But first he needs to build a machine that brings cartoons to life and use it to get Rick Sanchez so he could take him to this alternate universe
BoundbyCronus Wr would’ve had way better action scenes and probably more of them
I mean no disrispect, but everyone can say anything about a dead mans will
Even her voice is getting more annoying.
i wanna strangle her voice actress to death honestly even she hates ruby herself no joke she admitted that ruby has no character
SomeDude WhoDraws93 I think Ruby has reverse puberty.
meme cream It’s at its zenith of annoyance in Cross Tag Battle, not helped that Lindsay just gave birth
SomeDude WhoDraws93 Oh you mean this video right th-cam.com/video/gTL51JWCF7M/w-d-xo.htmlm10s well I found another video where she talks about how she loves Ruby's character development in Volume 5 th-cam.com/video/1mCccsEUQz4/w-d-xo.htmlm55s when absolutely nothing has changed about Ruby she's been relegated to being nothing but a side character and a plot device in her own fucking show.
In my opinion, her voice actress doesn't fit well in the character.
I just realized if you remove Ruby from volume Five there's a lot of things that'll just stay the same and really don't change at all she's not an important part of the story in that aspect it's like they don't know what to do with her so they have to shoehorn her into every scene.
Let's hope that changes in volume 6 or later. Or at least I do.
Starting in Season 2, Ruby was badly set up as an ideal for the other characters to bounce their flaws off of when the split came after the fall of Beacon (Oobleck questions the sincerity of every member's motivations except Ruby's, because Ruby's the only one there just for the sake of being a huntress, as she idealizes the job as heroic - foreshadowing everyone besides Ruby ditching the huntress role when things got tough). Because she's a "right way" to be a huntress trainee who exists to compare and contrast with the conflicts of her team mates, and because they have yet to fully set up any individual conflicts for Ruby herself, Ruby comes off as flat.
Mr.Runaway 00 actually she does do a lot anyway my opinion
princess hasbro If you want to hold the opinion that Ruby did anything of worth in volume 4 you can, it's not true but you can.
Mr.Runaway 00 nah I think everything comes with a opinion true or not true
Weiss has had the best development in the entire series and I will fite u if you say otherwise.
Jack Mendez Weiss for new main character!
Jack Mendez which is exactly why she earned the label of best girl.
Lunar Robot even Zwei agrees
Only cause Pyrrha is dead
Her arc was the best imo
TTsuyuki
I feel like they are close, they already took away all her skills she learned, if I remember correctly the ONLY thing she did in the last fight was summoning, and she almost died from a weakass throw?
What really pissed me off about volume 5 was this concerning Ruby. Both Ozpin and Qrow know that she is a "silver eyed warrior" and is their best weapon against Salem, Cinder, and the grimm. Yet instead of helping her develop and nurture this "special" ability, which would be the LOGICAL thing to do, they have her practicing hand to hand fighting? That is just piss ass poor story writing and a big "Fuck you" to the fans after the reveal of her power at the end of volume 3. Not only that, but all through volume 4 and 5 she barely even USES her main weapon which is her scythe, but instead spends the volumes SHOOTING her way through the volumes. At the beginning of the series they give us this bad ass melee fighter, and then water her down to the point that her melee fighting skills are irrelevant. I honestly believe that the show would have been much better if Monty Oum was still alive, at least I hope so.
I forgot how different Ruby's voice was in Volume 1. Dear Primus, she sounds like a normal person! What the hell possessed Lindsey to turn her voice into a cartoonishly over-the-top parody of itself?
Omg, the scene with Oscar and Ruby made me so mad!! First off, why did Oscar get mad? What is his reasoning?? And the way Ruby explained it I felt no emotion whatsoever, not a tear drop nor a hint of sadness in her voice. She not only lost one friend BUT TWO, yet she still hasn't shown any emotions unlike Jaune who clearly is going through loss. If anything she should have been at least hesitant going into battle in season 5 with cinder since she literally saw Cinder kill Pyrrha.
same here! SAME here
Spencer C That's all true, but even so, not once did they show signs of him feeling overwhelmed for him to lead to this outburst. Instead, he went from having a normal conversation to shouting at Ruby. That's why I felt it wasn't necessary for him to have such an outburst. Maybe if they showed more emotional conflict with Oscar before the conversation, it would've been conveyed better.
I honestly don't care about Ruby being a bad protagonist, I just watch the show just to watch it. But, I honestly think Ruby moving Jaune's hands was the absolute dumbest thing to do.
JazzyJ10101 "it's cause she doesn't want him touching her girl" the fans would say
"kEeP dOiNg WhAt YoU'rE dOiNg"
You are faithful to the rule of the Prophets.
Agree with everything and a little bit more, her voice. It went from Minor to high pitch instead of the reverse. Just something that vexed me. It feels like it's getting higher and higher.
Holly crap this! ^ I noticed that too when I rewatched the series recently, her casting was alot more nuanced and well-done in the pilot episode and the first couple volumes.
Darth Vanquish Had she had the high pitched voice in just Chibi I'd probably be okay with it.
Ruby sounds like her voice box got switched out for a squeaky toy
@@Charlie94781 I was gonna make a joke about the Hound using her as the chew toy to make her voice like that but the Hound I don't think did jack shit to Ruby other than dropping her dumbass.
I gonna say this proud: I think FANFICTION writers have a better read on the characters personalities, development, and progression than the shows creators.
Same. Sometimes like avatar.
The only way I can see Ruby Rose’s character being somewhat salvaged is if they lean into the whole (unlikely) speculation of her repressing her sadness. It would be nice if they showed her pretending to be happy and peppy, when she’s really tired and disgusted, like putting the team’s own needs before her own has taken its toll. Trying to shoulder everyone else’s hang-ups is too much for her to take. All those optimistic one-liners were just lies to keep up morale.
She doesn’t ask about her silver eyes, because it reminds her of Pyrra’s death. She doesn’t ask Ozpin about her mom, because she’s still traumatized by her disappearance. While she may secretly suspect something sinister, she’s scared about the answer Ozpin might give her and how she’ll react. She knows it’s stupid and selfish, but she’s only human.
Furthermore, she doesn’t want to upset the balance of the team, which is already treading on a fine line. Everyone is still getting over the aftermath of what happened at Beacon. Team RWBY just got back together. This gives her more of a reason to put up a front and bottle things up until it all explodes.
Unfortunately, that may be expecting too much.
1:27 wow, her voice was like that?
can we change it back?
agreed isnt she supposed to be ageing as the show progresses or do miles and kelly think that making her have a chipmunk voice make her interesting are they that fucking retarded even the most annoying lollis in official anime have more character than ruby does
It's a shame because the rest of the RWBY team cast voice act with their natural voices. I fear that Lindsay will lose her voice.
I go into this thinking, "She can't be worse than Kirito." But come out thinking, "It's definitely possible." Nice video.
Johnpaul Bouchard no one can be worse than Kirito 😂
TTsuyuki *bulbasaur
Newage Titan Plot Armor God
@@TheTsuyuki Honestly I was fine with Kirito's plot armor... Until Yui.
Like sure, he was OP strong, but there was at least a flimsy excuse for it: Kirito was a beta-tester, consequently had a higher experience/skill floor than the others from the outset, and apparently SAO as a game splits XP, meaning Kirito, the loner, was keeping more of that XP for himself. Exponential leveling power is a thing in actual MMO's, so I could buy that. If a hundred level 60's in WoW tried to gang up on a Lone level 90, those hundred 60's are gonna die before they even make the 90 Notice they're taking damage.
But the second he pulled God-tier hacking skill out of his ass to bring Yui back, and THEN I was like "Okay, no. The bullshit threshold has been crossed."
He's right. Ruby is the only character in the show, by far, that doesn't go through any sort of character development at all. She feels like a flat character. Man, this show is a mess right now... I hope the writers of RWBY fully acknowledges this and improves the show. I'm a fan of RWBY, I buy merchandise and I watch the episodes as soon as their out. But he is RIGHT.
He's not bashing the show or anything, in fact, the amount of effort he puts in this video is proof that he has studied the show in great detail. This video is made to improve the show and state the fact that... well, the main protagonist is badly written. It's subpar. There is so much wasted potential on this show. It could have been great.
Thanks for this video, Vexed. This fanbase needs more people like you.
drabsyo that's just your opinion
.........what? This isnt an opinion at all, he is agreeing with the vid on why Ruby is bad and here are many valid points, arguments, and comparisons to use as evidence to back up his statements. I may watch Ruby and enjoy it, but like these huge flaws behind the scenes still exists
drabsyo That's because you're trying to think of change as immediate or right in front of you. She's changing, she used to be really cheerful and now she's more prone to frowning and even uncertainty. The thing about Ruby is that what you see is her smile on the outside, she's bottling everything up and leaving it inside. Don't be surprised if during a later volume, she ends up breaking from the emotional stress.
Latios I still love ruby it’s still just his opinion I like hee
But Ruby is flat. She looks as immature as she is.
Also, I think the biggest character conflict/issue with Ruby is her almost too blind optimism about both the world and being a huntsman even with her experiences. From day one, she's had this glamorized depiction of them as superheroes and idols who make the world a better place yet the plot has barely touched on the toll the lifestyle actually has on the individual.
Even though Qrow doesn't bring his work home, he's a true example of what being a huntsman is really like in the previous volumes. It's not an awesome adventure 100% of the time and it's a job full of hardship and little rewards. He's lonely, burdened, drunks his personal issues away, has to leave his family behind for months on end, can barely trust people and may have to fight his own friends, any day he or his companions can die and even if he lives to see another day his efforts can be for naught with the right amount of bad people and Grimm in the world.
Professor Oobleck may have seen that Ruby's answer to being a huntsman was the most appropriate, but her viewpoints on it would have devastated any other teacher. Even when betrayed and proven time and time again that "the real world is cold" (God I miss Roman), it's like being the spirit of unwaverable hope is her number one character trait that resets to Vol. 1 Ruby.
And that sucks.
I like the show... but you're right. Even so, I don't *hate* Ruby Rose. She has her cute moments, but that's basically it. She's just a comic relief poster child for this show. Weiss has had character development, so has Blake, so has Yang, when the fuck is the TITULAR CHARACTER gonna actually grow as a person?
This show is far from a masterpiece, but I feel like it has a lot of potential.
She would honestly be a lot cooler and it would have been a lot more ambitious if they made her a mute. Like the first trailer.
Ze-TopHat-Gamer or used her original character. Red like roses 2 has more character than ruby.
Neo could ve just replace her and now we will finally have the best girl lol
Or just turned Ruby to have demon power instead, After seeing too many despair around her with no chance of fixing the problem(Like she was framed for something with no chance for giving proof, or even more people she know die like Sun and Neptune, The biggest betrayal she will see in her life, and terrible stuff the villian do to her fammily)
She will kill all the villian and asshole's with no mercy and destroy the world
Yes i want to see Ruby turned into her own villian XD (I know it does not make sense but come on at least its better than being plain)
Ow I cut my Self on that Edge @Reno Kyriielium
Reno Kyrielium I have this character you’re gonna love. His name is shadow the hedgehog.
My favorite Ruby is a dumb character moment is when she said:
“We have done things that people would consider impossible.”
When? Seriously every single thing they ever did were completely normal and feasible in therms of the setting.
Specially the more “impressive” feats like the fight against the nevermore in season (its not a volume its a season) 1.
All that jumping and flying around is something that literally everyone in the setting (or at least every huntsman apprentices) can learn in a few weeks.
I don't think she's done a single useful thing for two volumes.
J Doss
She made sure to remind everyone about the power of friendship as much as possible.
And that Silver Eyes are indeed still a thing and Volume 3's ending isnt complete and utter bullshit. Silver eyes are the key to winning and we know jack shit about it. Did I mention Silver Eyes are important?
Ruby being bad at hand to hand is always inconsistant. in the first fucking episode the very first thing she does is drop kick several dudes through a convenience store window.
I always thought Ruby was really static as a character, but this video just... points it out so much more. The only reason I liked Ruby was because she was a badass in trailer and the first two seasons. After S3 you realize... wtf has changed about her? Absolutely nothing. I mean- ????????? And with the drop in fight scene quality. Really she hasn't much going for her.
Vexed you've forgotten one thing. She is also the worst sister, Yang got her own ARM cut off for crying out loud and what was the first thing to go through Ruby's mind. She has to go to Haven. She leaves her own BROKEN SISTER behind, to heal alone with her father just to go to Haven Academy. That is one other thing to hate about her.
I know that Yang said "Do whatever you want." to Ruby but you would at least expect Ruby to heal her sister before going to Haven, don't you think?
Hell, she could have at least try to do anything to try and cheer Yang up but nope.
*Derrick Bell. Yeah she is the optimistic one.
DivinityGaming
Yep and now
Me : The prize of the worst mom is attribued at Raven Branwen, Congrats
The price of the worst dad is attribute at Jacquass Schnee, Congrats Dick
And finally the worst sister is Ruby Rose after all she done for you , you left her like a trash
It's actually come to the point that I started to view Jaune as the main character instead.... Wow....
And as far as I'm concerned, he honestly is more interesting. I mean, he has personal reasons to fight that are relevant to the plot and that are addressed in the show.
In my opinion, no he shouldn't because personally it is easy to look down on him when you compare him to all the other characters in the show. I'm not afraid to say he is the weakest, most untrained, easily the most pathetic. He didn't even know what aura was in the first volume. Who grows up in the world of Remnant and not learn what aura is until he/she is seventeen? Sure as time goes on, he gains more skill (bit by bit) but is still not on the same level as the other characters. He should be lucky that Cinder was too stupid to just kill him right away. At least he went from the Black Widow of RWBY to the Sakura Hurano of RWBY. I prefer a protagonist that can actually have a chance of beating the big baddy of the series without plot armor.
RedDusk369 But that's what makes me turn to him and look at him as a protagonist. He is progressing, he is growing. He had nothing when he started, yet look at him now. He practically did the most damage during the nucklavee fight. His development is comparable to that of a shonen protagonist where a hero has to earn his strength, not given to him or born with it. He embodies the hero's journey more than Ruby or any of the other cast. Think Deku from MHA but with healing powers and high defense instead of Super strength. Compare the other side characters beside RWBY, they're all practically still the same as they were when they first appeared in the series.
AI'm just that kind of guy who sees Jaune as the weakest character who constantly gets out shined by every one else. Nothing more. I'll start liking him when he finally measures up to the other characters. And just pointing out, Pyrrha would still be alive and have the Maiden's powers if Jaune kept his guard and not turn his back which allowed Cinder to stop the transformation of the Maiden powers.
The sad moment when the writer's self insert gets all of the mc's characterization.
she's not even one of the worse main characters ever. She's not good either but there are worse.
I like it how the last airbender serves as an example for great writing in so many different videos. I didnt fully understand how good it actually was, when I watched it back as a kid.
Yeah I forgot the nightmare scene! Why do they never touch on that!? They just tapped it once it NEVER gets reminded throughout TWO goddamn volumes. It was just forgotten... I hope they get the series back on it's feet
I agree with you. If it wasn't for the title of the series I would think jaune was the main character in fact I think jaune makes a better main character than Ruby.
Darryl Torres damn son o.o
I mean he would, and we have probably seen more growth and change from him than any other character in the show save for maybe Yang or possibly Weiss.
However he hasn't gotten nearly enough growth and is still the comic relief character and butt of all the jokes and a near constant bait and switch. Like you get to see the training with him in the forest in season 4 (which is an awesome scene) but then you just see him being the bumbling idiot on the battlefield again. He shows some promise as a leader and then he's right back to being a weak willed idiot. He gets to go face to face with his girlfriends killer and fucking trips once and because of that is too weak to get up.
I get that he's the underdog and he's awkward and has poor self esteem, and you know that's fine, even a good character flaw and something interesting to focus on in his growth and see how that can hold him back even if he gets stronger. But as of now he's just the punching bag of the main characters and not in a good way.
Personally, I think Ruby is meant to be a lens through which we see Remnant. She plays a similar role to Harry Potter. We don’t really get a lot of information about the world through the other characters, anything we receive is almost entirely due to Ruby. I think it’s something to consider.
Dr foto well when he fought Cinder, he would definitely have let emotions take over and fuck up with his technique, but I always disregard that fight because that episode was bullshit. Jaune definitely wouldn't have won, but he would definitely not have messed up like that
I have already wrote about this elsewhere in this comment section, so I don't want to repeat myself much, but I think the reason why people find Jaune to be more like the main characters is because he is more or less a bundle of typical shounen protagonist traits and motivations.
-He wants to become the holder of a title (in this case, a Hunter) to prove it to others that he is not useless. [Insert comparisons to Naruto here.]
-He is not very knowledgeable about the world and the metaphysics, so he serves as an audience surrogate.
-He is considered weak, but he is shown to have great hidden potential (his Aura) and that he has the charisma and the capability to lead others.
-Early on he gets into a classic love triangle, where he pursues the cold girl that doesn't want anything to do with him while not realizing that he already has the affections of another girl. [Insert another Naruto comparison here.]
-He has a very personal vendetta against one of the main villains (Cinder, for killing Phyrra), which pushes him into the stereotypical "I have to get stronger" shounen protagonist mentality.
-Over the course of the show, he receives multiple power-ups (first his Aura gets unlocked, then he gets his silly sword-upgrade, then finally his semblance).
So yeah, of course you see him as the MC, since he follows the template way more than Ruby or the others.
I don’t mind Ruby being a beacon of hope and optimism, but she should have spent some time in Four questioning the hope. Having to get that hope back. Only it’s not naive hope like the S5 “work with us speech,” but the glimmer of mature hope that came with the letter writing scene
Ruby's simply getting the Akame treatment, AKA "you are the main protagonist and have your name in the title [Ruby (RWBY), Akame (Akame Ga Kill)] but that's what you will only get. We may throw a flashback or so and pretend it is considered character development.".
I mean, both Yang AND Kurome, AKA people related to the main protagonists, got more development than them.
Yet somehow it feels akame got better deal
Akame isn't even the protagonist of her show, the title is false advertising. The show is actually about the boring audience self-insert protagonist.
Ah, so it's just like RWBY then with Jaune Arc.
Not really. Jaune has not had a protagonist-like role outside of Jaunedice and the last few episodes of V5 (which are just a clusterfuck, and Yang could be argued to be the protagonist of those episodes as well)
Ah, so Jaune hijacking the buildup of Cinder's hatred for Ruby and him getting the new weapons and him getting the new super powers doesn't make him the protagonist?
RT: "Ruby's mom's death is a big thing that affects Ruby!"
Also RT: "Hey guys I know we've made 5 seasons and out of it we got more about her mom from the Season 1 intro than all of the episodes combined but cmon guys, ship our characters!"
I miss when Monty's fight choreography and a lack of details made the Red trailer so amazing and exciting for everyone.
Yeah... Two years later, I'm here to tell you that ruby's dead mom was shoehorned in at the last minute by monty and the "writing team", because 'it looked cool' so to RT, they either forgot she existed or she isn't important enough because she's dead.
@@grantdelosangeles5357 not surprised, haven't watched since midway through volume 5 so I can't say first hand but it at least sounds like some of the writing has had big improvements in the latest couple of volumes, but it's too little too late imo, 5-6 seasons to finally become anything of quality isn't worth the re-watch for me.
My thoughts about RUBY in general:
She's a mascot character. That may sound odd at first, but think about it... Squeaky voice, high resistance to shipping (hetero ones anyways) and, as explained in the video, they're adamant about not breaking her like they (claim they) did to Yang and Weiss.
I can kind of understand why Rt still keeps Ruby personality back to be optimistic.
They want to show a character than can go through all kind of challanges, no matter how hard they are and how terryfing and cruel the villains are, she will not be broken mentally, she will fight despair with hope.
A good idea, but sadly the execution is the main flaw not just with Ruby, but with the whole show. There are good idea in it, but they can't use them in the right way.
And with Ruby it turns her into an annoying and boring character. It doesn't help that there are so many character in this story with so many subplots that it makes her so pointless.
Also, to add about the whole Silver Eyes stuff, I think the answer to why doesn't Ruby want to discuss or focus on how they work is for the same reason that the link between the Maidens and the Relics took 2 volumes (4 and 5) to be explained and even then I find myself asking a lot more questions behind the reasons Ozpin had to turn 4 kind girls into super powered warriors that works as keys to open chamber that hides very powerful relics and thus making such girls the main target to any evil does who wants to take them. But let's digress.
The whole point is that Rt writers need time to explain how the Silver Eyes work and, possibly, try to find an excuse for why Ruby didn't just used them at every chance she had.
Is rather paradoxical, when you think about it: they gave her a power that allows her to wreck any kind of Grimm in one shot even without training and they (the so called writers) realized it and tried to fix it. Failing.
Guess so about her personality what they thought was good feel to pieces without much substance to back it up and wish they thought about SE and the consequences just like coco's gun in v2 and strength gap between students and villains.
Yeah, the power level in this series is one of the worst.
In the first 3 volumes they made most of the character look powerful, but since volume 4 everyone looks weaker, slower and could be taken out by a street level character.
Now there is Salem, someone that everyone keeps mentioning being unstoppable... and that's it. We don't see any sign of why she's so unbeateble.
But if she's so damn powerful why doesn't she just step out in the light and do things personally rather than have at her side people that is either weak or stupid?
We just learned that she can control Grimm and even create them out of nowhere, why doesn't she just attack?
my guess is thing are only as strong as plot needs them to be for example cinder must been massively dicking around for jaune to even vaguely evenly class with her
Ruby being an optimist in spite of all she's been through isn't necessarily a bad thing. The problem is that they don't do anything with her besides that, removed any agency from her part, don't let her be relevant to the story that should revolve around her, are always too late to address her issues, and so on. Every time they have an occasion to do something with her, they mess up.
For example, sure the subject of her silver eyes is a tough one. I can understand they might not want to give too much information on it or have Ruby master it now. But Ruby not being even slightly curious about it, not letting us now what she might feel about it, is criminal. Having Ozpin train her for an irrelevant skill she didn't need, while completely forgetting the reason she's supposed to be important , that let her enter Beacon in the first place (and she knows that), got her mother killed, and put a target on her back, is the most retarded thing I've seen in a long while.
If you listen, Ruby’s voice gets _higher_ and _more childlike_ as she *gets older.* This annoys me to no end.
With how much she experienced like you said, she didn't change even if it was needed and the best choice.
The unknown Parade
What experience are you talking about ? And what didn't change ? She did change, it's just that the timing and execution is awful
i question everythin g
The experience is watching both penny and phyrrah die and not being able to help.
Penny because mercury was in the way, and phyrrah because she didn't get there in time.
And you are right the writers make it seem like all the change happened inside her head and out of the viewers way (not in the episodes) when there is supposed to be change and focus on her problems it ends up being about jaune instead, when she wants to open up and share how she feels about the situation she is stoppped (as mentioned in the video)
And when she is let to say what she thinks she has already gotten over it, or atleast dealt with it within her mind. When talking to Oscar she says that she did feel sad over that (BUT WE DON'T GET TO SEE HER REFLECTING ABOUT IT) just atleast one episode about her and how it has affected her.
But since we don't get that we are just to assume either she hasn't change or if she did it wasn't much abd she's still the same as ever.
These are my thoughts currently.
The unknown Parade
How would you make her reflect on it ? It's not really that complicated of an issue, losing friends because of things out of your control is just the most boring story arcs in fiction
i question everythin g
Since I'm not a writer nothing comes to mind at this point, yet I am sure there are ways to make clichés and normally boring arcs be interesting. And even rarely have em be really good.
The unknown Parade this is true. They might’ve had to fall back on cliches, sure, but cliches are cliche because they work. She could have been devastated that she was powerless to save her friends, causing her to be more reckless in combat, as if she slows down or gives herself time to rest, that’s time the enemy could be getting closer to hurting more of her friends. She could push herself to the breaking point and beyond. Push the nightmare angle up to 11, she can’t sleep, she’s exhausted and sleep deprived but she won’t stop. So eventually she becomes a liability and Jaune has to pull an intervention. I think this woulda given more development between the two of them, which I woulda loved to see, since that leadership talk from volume 1 is still one of my favorite scenes in the whole series. Love their chemistry. Or push it directly in the opposite direction, have her go off alone, no team, leave her friends behind because she can’t bear the thought of not being good enough to save another one. She goes off to defeat the enemy alone, because after all, she’s got this weird magic silver eye thing, right? So she goes off with a false sense that she has the power to defeat the bad guys all on her own, only to realize she has no clue how to use it, or if it’s even enough to beat them on it’s own. So you could do an arc of her learning that she can’t do things alone, like she’d thought, and that the possibility of losing people comes hand-in-hand with being a huntress, with being a hero. Sorry for the friggin novella here, geez. I’m a prospective writer myself, so I thought I’d point out a couple potential ideas for arcs after Volume 3 that came off the top of my head. Didn’t think it’d be this long, hahaha, sorry again.
Omg you basically put every and I mean EVERY reason why I hate Ruby so much. Like, Ruby, are you sure you're the fucking protagonist!? I can't stand her and it's getting worse omg why are you like this Ruby. A friend is always telling me "there's a lot of time so she can develop" yeah well make it fast gosh
that's a bullshit excuse because rwby has 5 seasons already. any other show with a shit main character after 5 seasons would get canned.
Agree, 4 volumen and a "trauma" are more than enough for a character to develop, specially since the trauma was something big, like 2 deaths and a massive defeat. But anyways my friend has hope but I don't lol
Why not? I like it I just don't like Ruby lmao
I'm not annoyed with it. I love it, I really do and I don't watch it to talk crap. Just like any other show it has mistakes and "weak points" that has to be developed. Ruby needs to grow to make RWBY better, and she doesn't has to change his character in order to grow. She can still be a sweet and innocent girl and also mature and taking the lead on things. Characters grow but they don't lose their essence, what they're. Blake is not a coward anymore, but she's still that quiet faunus, for example. And Ruby is the protagonist, they need to make her act like one, with good scenes and an important role, like if you remove Ruby from v5 is not a big deal, things don't change at all. And that's not how a prota should be.
I find the bratty side of Ruby in Season 1 a good starter for character development. But Rooster teeth screwed up character development of Ruby in season one already, don't even talk about the subsequent seasons. That time, Weiss found Ruby undeserving of being the team leader. Weiss gave in after consulting the teacher and told somewhat apologized to Ruby. Ruby should have said something to Weiss instead of being too surprised to say anything to Weiss, it only showed Weiss' character maturing while Ruby's mental development was flat. If only Ruby tried to comfort or compromise for Weiss, would there be a raised sense of unified team cohesion. Ruby didnt try to reflect for her brattiness in front of Weiss at the forest scene and the writer just moved on with the story.
Thus, can't we just conclude that the character management of Ruby is doomed from square one?
I wouldn’t say that she’s the worst protagonist I’ve seen, but as much as I like this show, I will agree she’s a very underwhelming, one note one.
I started hating the show after volume 4. This is one of the very reasons. The writers miss millions of chances to let Ruby grow and just snub it.
wait, people think she isn't the main character?
the series itself is named after her!
The show is RWBY not Ruby so people thought the show was about the main 4 as in a main character not the main character
but the team is pronounced "ruby"
I can look past a lot of flaws RWBY has, but the amount of cutaways from actual interesting fight scenes in the last few episodes of vol. 5 was pretty insane.
Ruby's voice doesn't help her case :P
It's so annoying!
Ruby's voice was alright in V1 tho
Honestly her voice in V1 almost made me stop watching... I just don't like the kind of high pitched voice she has. It irritates me...
I feel like her voice did get better in later volumes though.... Either that or I just got more used to it.
You got used to it, 'cause in V1 she was very low pitched compared to the later volumes. Right now, she sounds like a baby.
True... Hopefully as she gets older her voice will finally deepen :P
horse14t I love her voice
To elaborate on my thoughts on Ruby, to me she was fine in V1-3. She only really had development in the first one, but there was still some hints that there was more beneath the surface, thanks in large part to Red Like Roses part II, and the end of V3 dropped such a bombshell on her. When I learned that according to Miles and Kerry the first three volumes were more or less the prologue of the real story, I thought that then her real development would start after the fall of Beacon. Now that what made her special was revealed, that she witnessed the death of her friends, and she went on a mission to save the world while being targeted by the bad guys she would finally get to shine, right? Wrong. In V4 she was sidelined quite a bit, with as you said only chapter 6-7, 10 and 14 actually focusing on her. Which was a shame, but I kept thinking we just had to be patient, certainly in V5 she would get more focus, right? All of this waiting is going to pay off at some point, right?
Well, wrong. Again.
In V4 she was sidelined in favor of Jaune, Ren and Nora, in V5 in favor of Oscar and Ozpin. They removed any agency on her part. They treated her like a massive idiot. They made her learn a skill that was pointless, instead of having her asking questions that should interest her about her mom and ger powers. She was put to the side when her sister and her partner bonded about their loneliness, while she was excluded from the conversation entirely and they removed even further her link to her mother by making her not able to talk yet when she died. They didn't develop her relationships with he uncle, hef friend who's also grieving the loss of a friend, her sister, or her partner And when she could have been given the opportunity to prove she was still a badass, nope. She gets KO'd after being used to reinforce Jaune's plot armor. She doesn't confront Cinder, nor Emerald and Mercury for the death of Penny. She tries to be a leader, but it cuts away from her right away, just showing her headbutt a guy to pretend she had some growth. She doesn't even use her semblance once in the whole volume. They made her completely irrelevant in her own story.
Now I'm just done. I used to like her, because I genuinely thought she had a huge potential with themes of coming of age, heroism, loss, overcoming tragedy, optimism... But no there's just nothing there. She's just reduced to be there, be cute, and deliver speeches about hope. She's just Katara, the Ember Island version.
And I still don't get all of this happened. How she ended up being so neglected by her writers that she became a sad joke. What went through their mind when they thought it was ok to do this to her, to spend five years before realising they should give "more attention and meaningful conflict" to their fucking main character.
Of course, she's not an isolated case. IMO volume 5 was a clusterfuck of bad writing. I just don't have any faith left for Miles and Kerry to improve, the damage are unsalvageable at this point. I can only assume in V6 she will keep being sideline, keep not receiving development, and no real effort will be put into her, just more lazy half-assed bullshit to pretend they care.
your 1st sentence can be a rough summary v1-3 rwby while very flawed was gold compared to post v3
93ImagineBreaker V1-3's flaws were more easy to overlook, for many reasons. Yet I think V4 wzs the best volume, or at least accomplished the best whzt it sought out to do. V5 had a strong start, but it muddied out in the middle and the end is just a mess.
Not just cute. Cause of the growth spurt, she's gonna be turned into some sorta sex symbol I can already tell.
Anthony Serocco i hope not lol
Thx for your opinion remicas, in my case, there is stuff like adam's character having in fact an i.q. of 60 as we can see in the end of chapter 5, good fighters suddenly gone insanely stupids or forgetting how to fight like mercury and emerald in v5 compared to v3, and more and more things that make me wonder.. If characters in rwby aren't just as they need it to be, for the sake of the plot, while none of them are consistent or really developed, because if they need to be stupid, even salem is gonna have the same iq as adam in v5. There is just no point in the development of rwby's characters, damn it.
I'm happy about the death of torchwick, even if he had the worse death possible, it was as a good character.
All these dislikes, but my boy has a point.
NGL, RWBY stopped feeling like RWBY once VOL 4 dropped.
I hate to admit it, but you're right. RWBY just seems to have lost some of its magic in recent volumes...
The way I see it is that the first three volumes are RWBY and whatever comes afterwards is no longer Monty's vision. After reading Shane's open letter, I don't think I can support it.
I'll post below if you or anyone else is interested.
drive.google.com/file/d/0B-H0KuOwKFYwZTJxbXg0SG5CTEE/view?pref=2&pli=1
Prkm Rose damn I read all of that man rooster teeth is evil to the max ...poor Monty they destroyed his show and don't care ...
SFKUSHA well people have there own opinion
true
Vexed: I’m gonna show you a good [main character]
Me: Aang. Definitely Aang.
Vexed: Let’s take a look at little Avatar Aang.
Me: Yep. Called it.
(Aang will always be the universal example of a MC done right.)
It's also weird that Rudy is the only one that has to learn hand to hand combat .it would make more sense for Weiss who had already lost her weapon before and is probably worse at it. if she was already there while Ozpin had this idea it would be nice to see them training together working on there weakness. Maybe a heart to heart about how frustrating it is. Then leading into some development for them and their relationship . But could still be point less it's up for debate. But it would make some nice filler.
The funny thing is that Ruby didn't Start with a weakness in hand to hand.
Episode 1, Volume 1: She bodily Threw a grown ass man through a shop window like he was a punk bitch. Her scythe wasn't drawn, she was unarmed, and she shitwrecked that guy unarmed in an instant.
She showed no lacking skill in melee combat unarmed until her confrontation with Roman in the ruins, where even She looked surprised that she didn't just blow that lackey away with her fist.
Yeah. In reality everyone there except for qrow should’ve been training in CQC/Hand to Hand
Monty is somewhere out there rolling in his grave just because of how dull, bland and stupid the characters and fight scenes have become in Rwby... RIP Monty you died in vain T_T
Funnily enough after I watched this, one of the suggested videos was about Mary Sues
Also I just realized that they had to go out of their way to make Mercury break character so that they can tie in the hand to hand combat subplot
Finally, someone finally actually said what I have been thinking this whole time. I thought I was the only one that noticed that Ruby had become effectively a vapid and empty character. Good to see that I'm not the only one. Frankly, the writers legitimately need to take some time and rethink everything they're doing top to bottom. Even the good characters in the show are starting to look dumb because a lot of big questions aren't being asked. And yes, it's actually a plus to have characters have a weakness like you said... so the whole idea they spent time on her learning how to fight hand to hand was literally a waste of precious time for nothing.
Two more things the FNDM has got to learn and stop trying to defend bad writing, half of this trash they'd never live it down had another show had same flaws. And two good thing is rwby gave you an ample amount of stuff to talk about from other characters like cinder and salem or faunus racism to show, don't say/poor world building.
I love the "FNDM" label for the RWBY fandom. It's hilariously apropos.
We have accepted mediocrity.
Yeah we accept mediocrity. Maybe if it was... ya know..written by a huge company with billions of dollars to spend hiring the best people for free job... it would be better.
Would you all compare a high school soccer player to Ronaldo? Do you berate them for not being as good? Didn't think so......
Ignore the typos... if edit them out but edited comments look bad
Jason Ortiz Except Rooster Teeth has a lot of money...So...I guess I would expect better than this.
i agree she's poorly written
but she's still not the worst protagonist i've ever seen
Perhaps, but that's only because Disney bought Lucasfilm.
The sad thing about RWBY is that it has so much lost potential. It has a lot of cool concepts. Rose could’ve been a really good character, who we see go from naive and positive all the time, to someone whose exceptionally badass and strong, intelligent in battle, maybe a little more full bloodlust or we see her start to consistently fall apart while seeing her hide it so she can have an interesting arc where she maybe explodes because she tries to be happy all the time and finally reaches a breaking point. But she’s still so,,, stupid?
I agreed with a lot of what you said.
Yes Ruby is a terrible main protagonist, and honestly the show needs to improve on her if they continue to make her the main character, since as oh now she has just been there. Not adding anything to the main story like at all, heck even Mata had more development then she ever did since after Volume 3, that's not ok.
But also in all honestly why does this show need a main character? If their wasn't a "main character" for the show, it might help it a little. Heck they technically already do just that.
Who's Mata?
Darrick Bell i think he meant "Maka" Albarn from Soul eater
Oh well if he meant Maka then yeah, I agree, Maka is 10x's a better protagonist then Ruby will ever be.
Yeah that it is.
Mata is a faunus extra that appeared in 3 episodes in Volume 5.
That is a colossal waste of a character almost as bad as Adam Taurus.
This is one of the things that frustrates me most about this show. Ruby had some spectacular potential, but it's been wasted. In fact, that's what frustrates me about the entire show. It's got SO much potential, but in the last volume particularly, it's just wasted.
Why are they trying to turn Ruby into Big Boss with all this CQC shit? I don't care if Ruby can kickbox, I care if she feels emotions for other human beings. Something I'm seriously beginning to doubt.
he funny thing is that Ruby didn't Start with a weakness in hand to hand.
Episode 1, Volume 1: She bodily Threw a grown ass man through a shop window like he was a punk bitch. Her scythe wasn't drawn, she was unarmed, and she shitwrecked that guy unarmed in an instant.
She showed no lacking skill in melee combat unarmed until her confrontation with Roman in the ruins, where even She looked surprised that she didn't just blow that lackey away with her fist.
15:48- THAT REALLY HAPPENED?! She pushes his hands away and says, "Whatever you do, don't stop."
She is interrupting him just to tell him not to keep going... Oh dear God...
Actually, I'm kind of glad I'm not the only one who thought there was a problem with the main character in RWBY, mostly Ruby herself. I don't understand why she gets so much praise when to me she almost comes off rather annoying or somewhat mary-suish. I've seen better female protagonist who've handled their own show perfectly but I don't see Ruby being any better than most of them, especially for anime.
at this point yang had more development than rubes, and yet her entire character is still focused on how much she loves and wants to protect her baby sister. even resolving her mommy issues was to get it out of the way so she can go back to protecting ruby. her conflict with blake, arguably her most important relationship outside of family and her chance to break away from turning into a satellite hovering around ruby, her grudges against merc an adam were completely swept aside bc omg i need to find rubers she’s helpless without me!! i’m so happy we’re together again idc about anything else!!
ruby isn’t just a flat character, she’s a black hole who devours others’ development
Ruby hasn't devoured anyone's development. Wanting to return to a family member you depend on is a motivation, the development is all of the stuff she went through to get there. She pushed the plot forward enough in vol 1-3.
Prior to vol 4-5 everyone but Blake and Weiss had nothing for character development, one of which grew with Ruby in their rivalry. Nora, Ren, and Jaune gained a lot of character through their quest with Ruby to Mistral. Without these 2 seasons focusing on everyone else, we'd all be saying that about the cast as a whole.
CtisGaming i like how you completely missed my point which was that yang’s ENTIRE character revolves around ruby. i’m not saying she should drove the entire plot, i’m saying that of the 4, her subplot revolves entirely on another character. all her personal plot points were swept aside bc OMG RUBY. that’s terrible writing.
each character should have a personal motivation. blake has reconciled with her family and intends to right the wrongs of the white fang like she’s always aimed to do. weiss is starting to truly break away from her abusive family members and assert her own identity. heck even ruby, the least developed of the main characters, has her own personal goal: save the world by beating salem.
yang? find ruby. follow ruby. protect ruby. accomplish ruby’s goals. she currently has nothing she wants to do for herself. everything she does is to keep ruby safe. that isn’t just bad writing and characterisation, it’s unhealthy behavior to focus your entire life looking after someone else. several fans have made long, detailed criticisms of yang’s relationship with/dependence on ruby.
Well this comment didn't age well😀😀😀
@@donone352 how so?
@@Cooldude-ko7ps Because Yang sucks just as bad as ruby now
Apparently when monty died he took Ruby's awesomeness and good writing to the grave with him
there’s a quote in this show that literally describes why i dislike this character.
“because she somehow always knows the right thing to do”
i call bullshit. ruby got qrow fucked over in volume 4. if she knows what the “right thing”to do was she’d ask about her silver eyes or summer rose. and besides if that was the case, that makes it boring as hell.
This is why I only watch RWBY for the fight scenes not for the story
Great video btw
Ruby is seriously approaching Mary Sue status at the rate she's going. If she actually had a personality she'd have breached it.
Youngest member of beacon becomes team leader and has super special super powers that invalidate the main antagonist's and her subordinate's special super powers even though she wants to be both "normal knees" and a fairy tale hero.
Also she is loved by all the main cast and not a single not totally evil person has ever not liked her. She's bad at social interactions they say but she has half the known cast lining up to talk and get along with her. Fuck Yang admits it in episode 1 but she goes on like she can't make friends, despite how obviously skilled she is at making them... From the school dunce Jaun to the Schnee Heiress to a Faunus ex-white fang Princess to Planned Maiden and Famous Athlete Phyrra to A extremely covert and experimental Aura/Soul containing Atlas robot to The fucking immortal wizard of Ozpin! How is she friends with all of these famous people coming from a no name background?!
She breaks rules in this prestigious school but that only makes her seem more capable/engenious to the adults even when she just got really lucky.
Somehow her abilities that make specifically Grimm fear her are actually wanted by the queen if Grimm so she's intended to be taken alive.
Her mentor/drunkcle/Father "figure" is part of a super secret organization and considered the best hunter we know of...
Honestly if Miles and Kerry gave more screen time to Ruby she'd make the show worse by how much she warps the world. Every five seconds she exists on screen a retcon or new bullshit power or incomprehensible friendship suddenly manifests into the show. Legit the show drops in quality every time the protagonist shows up. She makes the most frustrating, one dimensional, and disappointing decisions. She has potential but every time she opens her mouth or does something it's a build up to a anti-climax.
She shows this almost, psychopath behavior and then it's either hand-waved, ignored, or somehow missed by the writers for something dumb. She acts like she's got some possible, hinted at depth throughout the show but there is zero pay off.
She watches Penny get murdered and then Phyrra. But instead of some kind of CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT, she gets a random new super power and her personality on the surface is the same, naive, one dimensional, childish crap from season 1, which was a regression from the far more interesting fan theories about her from the red trailer!
Atleast Ichigo, Goku, Luffy and the rest HAVE development! Ichigo is traumatized by his mother's death and swears to be a protector. Luffy sees his brother die after just saving him and this actually makes him have a emotional breakdown. Goku, while extremely simple in motivation is atleast known to get angry and be serious when the time comes. He developed from a guy wanting a trinket back to a guy saving the world and the people he cares about after coming to love them. The fuck is Ruby? A girl who wants to be a fairy tale hero. In a world as dark as remnant? Forget unrealistic that's just stupid.
It's like they made Madoka Magica's world but put Sailor Moon with all of her plot armor as the main character. The show deconstructs the fairy tale urban fantasy world, but leaves the idealistic, friendship loving protagonist untouched.
It's fucking baffling how badly they've fucked up Ruby's potential by making her as stagnant as possible regardless of the plot bends/holds required to do so.
Here’s an idea.
Ruby has lived a sheltered life on the relatively safe island of Patch. After her mother’s death she chose to try to stay as optimistic as possible as she believes that is what her mom would of wanted. As she grows up she dreams of becoming a idealised version of a hunter like from her fairytales. When she first goes to Vale/signal she learns that the world isn’t all sunshine and rainbows and that there are bad people who do bad things.
At Dust Til Dawn stops the robbers non lethally just like in her dreams. After Roman and Cinder get away Goodwitch arrests her for vigilantism though ruby doesn’t understand why she’s being arrested for doing something good. At the Police Station Professor’s Ozpin and Goodwitch take over and the “interview” happens. Ozpin decides to enroll Ruby into Beacon two years early as he sees both potential in her and someone he can easily mold and sway to his side.
Everything is the same until initiation where she and Weiss witness someone getting killed by a pack of Beowolves. (What would of been team CRDL is down a member). After getting over their shock (ruby especially) they rush in to kill the Grimm and to try to save the boy. When Ruby checks on the boy he dies telling her that he just wanted to be a hero. Ruby and Weiss are forced to retreat where they recover and calm down. Ruby is especially shocked after seeing someone who wanted to be a hero as well die. Her perception that everything is okay and well is shaken.
After initiation Ruby gets upset and depressed over the fact that she saw someone die and she couldn’t or wouldn’t do anything about it. Ruby tries to cheer up by decorating her and her teams dorm. But she still thinks about how she failed and that she might die too.
Weiss is shocked as well by the boys death but she takes it better as she understands that it’s how life goes in this world and that she will see people die and bodies. When it was announced that Ruby was to be team leader instead of someone else she was angry and surprised by how ridiculous the choice was to put a 15 year old girl who lives in a bubble, is immature, childish and is easily shocked by death in charge of a four man team of hunters in training is. Weiss talks about this to Blake and they agree that Ruby is not fit to lead and that they should try to teach her the intricacies of leading other people into battle.
Ozpin chose Ruby as team leader so as to have more ability to mold (groom?) and sway her to his side. Making Ruby a team leader was a purposeful choice to both build up her ego and allow him to praise her ability when he could during things such as mission briefings. His goal for her is to make her completely loyal to him and to utilise her silver eyes as a weapon against Salem like her mother. If she were to become too troublesome he could always send her on a suicide mission against the Grimm or Salem like he did with Summer Rose.
All that he cares about is defeating Salem while looking like the good guy. Even if it means manipulating young children to use as weapons.
It was also the same reason he enrolled Jaune Arc and made him team leader as well even though his transcripts were fake. A naive and easily manipulated young man as a team leader is exactly what he wants for his plans.
What do you think? I can write more if you want.
@@Cooldude-ko7ps you just did a better job at making ozpin morally grey then anything the writers wrote
@@patrickheneghan877 umm.. thanks?
@@Cooldude-ko7ps your welcome
@@patrickheneghan877 would you like me to write more? It may take awhile.
The guy who originally created RWBY died after volume 2. RWBY wasn't really originally designed for the story, but rather over the top animation which is often showcased in the fight-scenes within volume 1 and 2. It started as a passion project by a animator with the dream of creating his own anime that got backed up by the folks over at rooster teeth and tbh the show just isn't the same without him as we had started to see after volume 3 since I'm guessing that's were his story panels and notes ran dry.
As much as I love RWBY, I think one of the worst decisions they made with Ruby is that I think Ruby did go through contemplating what a huntress is. However they skipped right till she was all good and dandy and ready to be all optimistic and happy again. They were trying to show that no matter what the bad guys did, Ruby was determined to keep going and not be held back, but they could've shown something at least. I love RWBY a lot, but I can admit when it feels like the writing is bad.
PS I agree that scene where Ruby moves Jaune's hands was stupid
4 and 5 were so bad through and through.
at least 1-3 were an enjoyable fanfic style web cartoon.
Even if they kept her as this wacky happy-go-lucky girl , they could at least show her struggling whenever shes not around her team and friends. That'd atleast be more interesting as we could see Ruby still trying to keep up her leader role while enduring some serious personal struggle. It'd just give her more dimension.
Ever since volume 4 (aka when they ran out of Monty's script for the show) Miles has taken advantage of his own character and put HIM in the spotlight rather than Ruby. Whether it was intentional or not is up for debate but it's obvious that they pushed Ruby back
I find it funny how Avatar, a KIDS show does way better development for it’s main character than RWBY, an ADULT show
It seems like Jaune looks like a better potential main character.
Hell, the first arch is about him.
The irony is Jaun felt more like the main character for volume 4 and 5 since he’s literally the only one that had felt any emotion from any situation
This video was amazing! The part where you asked if Oscar lost his damn mind was hilarious! Keep up the good work!
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Vex: lets take a look at a good main character.
Me: ...it would be awesome if he mentions avatar!
Vex: lets take a look at avatar Aang!
Me: 0.o ....OH MAH GAWD!!! I ACTUALLY CALLED IT!!!!
I agree with almost everything you said except that you really thought Oscar yelling at Ruby was out of character, I think that being thrust into this conflict so suddenly really made it believable he might lash out like that although I might agree that Jaune would have been a better candidate for that situation.
Jason Frye Who yells like that at someone they barely know? Just doesn't sit well with me. With Jaune it makes sense because there's a relationship there and Juane was in a bit of a bad mood in Vol 4 because of what happen to Pyrrha.
Vexed Viewer I don't think Jaune would yell at Ruby like that. They're friends, and though he is in a bad mood he understand what she's she's going through too. The worst he can do was like in V4C9 when he shut her attempt at being optimistic when they, Ren and Nora go separate ways.
However, I agree that a scene like that would have made more sense between Jaune and Ruby, during Kuroyuro where instead of Jaune cutting her off she actually expends on her issues. Not the same conversation, since the situation and the person she's talking to are different, but still.
"Who yells like that at someone they barely know?"
Ah well... our President. /shrug
Jason Frye Yeah I do agree with you there. Vex clearly didn't understand the context there. Like a bit misconstrued.
Doesn't matter if they barely know them. Oscar was stressed and strained, a farmboy who has not only been told Remnant's worst secrets by a thousand year old wizard slowly taking over his body but now has to deal with professional murderers trying to kill him. It makes perfect sense that he would snap at Ruby.
I have one goal for her. She wants to help people and learn what happened to her mother. After the Fall of Beacon and learning about her mother Summer Rose, she decides to help the world so that they don’t have to suffer the same fate either as Pyrrha and/or Summer Rose.
But nope. Gotta make her as non-motivating has humanly possible
She's pretty one dimensional, i don't know how a protagonist of a show can not develop in anyway. They exist therefore they are.
Good video and lots of good points I'd say. Especially the comparison to avatar the last Airbender.
Roosterteeth took a cool concept, like RWBY, and managed to destroy it because their writers can't write. It suffers from the same thing most Modern American entertainment suffers from... bad writing.
Ruby is not even a character apparently cuz oscar has taken her role of being the main character in volume 7 lol
Dear God. Miles and Kerry needed *multiple whiteboards* to work out that the central protagonist needs internal conflict and "show don't tell"? And it took this long for them to figure that out? Guys, come on. Pick up *one book* about how to write good fiction. Just one. Learn the freaking basics, I beg you. The mistakes made with pacing, with Ruby and with just general lack of payoff (that headbutt, Vexed, I swear...) were shockingly amateur.
The amount the characters didn't do perfectly logical things because the script said they couldn't was ridiculous, and it really showed in the fight scenes. Why on earth would Nora and Ren not help their teammate when he goes after one of the strongest people in the room? Why would Yang and Ruby leave Weiss to fight someone they thought was really powerful by herself? Why did Ruby order Yang into the vault with three extremely powerful people who ranged from slightly to very hostile towards her, when Ruby surely would want to throw herself into danger ahead of her friends *after witnessing the death of another friend in the past?* No? Cool.
I hope six is better.
Lol! I swear Ruby is like Naruto, they both like using Talk No Jutsu. Now that I think about it, why isn't Jean the main character? He seems to have more going on than Ruby.
Captain Carbine What? They're nothing alike 😂😂😂
The show would be better if jaune was the main character
Ryan: Both Naruto and RWBY have a "inspire others to fight" motif. Dead parents. Super Special Awesome Rage Activated Tykebomb Powers. Both get put on a team with an aloof teammate/a revenge seeking teammate, as well as a "smarter but not stronger" teammate. Both are eager to join the local Ninja/Hunter academy without fully understanding that they're signing up for a certain amount of a living hell in a shitty world that borders on living hell anyway. They both get heavily beaten down at an early point, and also have to deal with the "Oh my God... this career is horrifying!" realization. Both lose friends or have their friends injured.
Now, granted, some of these are VERY common tropes.
It's also a bit absurd that I can list so many tropes they share.
Ironically, even Naruto gets more development than Ruby. At least before the "And here's a new superpower!" cavalcade kicks in.
Herman Cillo Idk about the whole teammate comparing thing. All the RWBY members are pretty balanced with arguably Ruby being the weakest member. That, and all the members have very different goals that differ from teams 7. Only thing that I differed in opinion with your comment.
Ryan: I will agree that the teammate comparison is a bit weak. Both Weiss, Blake and Yang all have similarities to Sasuke, due to being strong fighters (all 3), or having dark and troubled pasts (B and W, and maybe Y.), having a revenge quest/old rival (Blake, and later Weiss, respectively), among other distinctions.
Also, none of the trio of Blake, Weiss, and Yang have any particular weakness in combat, making Ruby more like a cross between Sakura and Naruto.
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This is an odd rabbit hole we've gone down, but it's also interesting.
Yep she is a flat character never changes even for the current circumstances, they couldn't build her character properly which is highly disappointing. Almost like the whole volume 5 is disappointing well for me that is. Like hell there's so many irrelevant scenes in most of the series.
OH MY GOD THANK YOU. FINALLY SOMEONE MENTIONED THAT RUBY IGNORES HER SILVER EYES FOR 2 WHOLE VOLUMES
Thank you so much for making this. I've always had that same feeling about Ruby for a good while now, which is why she's always been my least favorite character out of Team RWBY or probably even the whole show.
She just feels more like a bland side character like Neptune, And at this point Jaune feels like more like the main character of the story. Hell even Oscar seems to make more sense as the MC considering how the story is currently laid out.
RWBY is a show written by amateurs. I never really had high expectations for it, but I do agree with your frustration. It's like the quality is getting worse with time.
The main problem is they had such a great concept. Interesting world, unique weapons, nice characters designs, and a good soundtrack but then completely fail when they try to make a story
"RWBY is a show written by amateurs" , so you are a pretty well known writer that excels in his work , i dare you to write a story then post it somewhere , wait , and IF someone reads you story look at their review . Do a thing then judge others based on your performance.Yes the writing quality has dropped since Monty's passing but your impatience is annoying ,some things have to happen some things need to be kept a secret. Wait till the series has ended and then come back.
@@akaishine366 I don't need to be a chef to know when something tastes like shit.
@@petelee2477 good soundtrack DOESNT mean good show
From a lot of miles and Kerry's works they show that they struggle with "Show, don't tell" and that is one of their main weaknesses that plagues their writing.
The only character that holds conversations while getting shot and does it well is spider-man and it's usually because he's taunting them lmao.
i feel like over half the characters got nerfed in vol. 5
villains may got worse end of the stick
especially adam
They killed off powerful warriors like Pyrrha and Penny, benched Neo (arguably the most skilled of them), and then nerfed everyone who was left.
There is not a trace of the Ruby in the Red Trailer. The unique style, the confidence, the awareness, the strength, the agility, the instinct. All gone.