Arnos Grove sidings to Earls Court. Piccadilly Line. A slow journey through central London
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Today's video is for a journey from Arnos Grove sidings down to Earls Court.
It was a slow trip down as we followed a train ahead.
once we get in to central London we see a lot of red signals as we catch the train ahead up.
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When I was a kid I travelled from wood Green to Cockfosters alot for school. I remember 1 day I was travelling back to Wood Green and I always sat at front of train behind cab, the driver came through the door and asked if I wanted to sit in front. Up to Wood Green. Was fantastic. Can't remember his name as it was 90s. But I always remember that day ❤
😊……sounds cool! Good thing you didn’t mention his name though as it sounds like a breach of protocol. I wonder if we’ve met as I too used to do a similar route for school although it was a school called St D& St K. If you know, you know😊
I have all Dale's Piccadilly Line videos in my collection which give me great pleasure to watch. His personality and style shines throughout and his knowledge is outstanding. It makes me understand how skilled a train operator's job is. I find looking for the next signal entertaining as I can't tell where they are positioned. I wanted to be a train driver when I was young but it never happened. The level of concentration required is immense. His explanation of SPAD really surprised me as it is not always the drivers fault. My thanks and appreciation to you, Dale. Regards, David
I've mentioned before in a previous comment that it's been over 25 years since I last travelled on any of the underground lines, that's why I enjoy watching your videos because I find them fascinating as they show just much things have changed. 👍.
As an American who lived near London as a child, I always enjoy your videos.
My very first ride on the tube was on the eastbound Piccadilly at Gloucester Road in Feb 1975.
I can still clearly remember when the 1973 stock first entered service.
Brilliant video as always.
One thing struck me this week - how much skill and judgement you need to drive these trains 😮
I had pre-conceptions (from where i know not) that it was a case of stop-go-stop but the amount of using your knowledge regarding speeds, gradients, gaps etc is mind blowing.
Until the next one matey - thank you
Thanks Dale for the "slower" journey. As you say, plenty of concentration needed. Always enjoy my tube rides and enjoy your time off work. 😊 👍
LOVED your insight into service disruption! Would love to see more! Fantastic as always!
I have a video coming up in a few weeks with long delays that I hope you will enjoy. So stay tuned
Absolutely love this video, these slower journey video's are very interesting. Cheers for this one Dale, look forward to the next one now
Great video, always interesting, the unusual running conditions a bonus.
Cheers Dale, another banger as always. Always makes me happy when one of these come out.
Hi Dale, another interesting journey and commentary. Thanks for explaining, SPADS.
Thanks for Another really great video Dale, brilliant content keep up the good work 👌
Another excellent one Dale - keep up the good work
Another excellent video, Dale. Thanks.
It’s really interesting to see and hear “behind the scenes” information - like how you signal which road you’re on, and how you find out which platform you’re being directed onto. There must be someone organising everything like a giant train set. It’s fascinating.
Thanks Brian
Enjoyed watching
Thanks Dale, the commentary was interesting, I learned a lot about SPADs.
That was a great trip. Thank you for sharing that with us.
The squealing wheels remind me of Boston's Green Line light rail line as it enters into Boyleston Street station located at the corner of Boyleston and Tremont Streets in Boston, MA. This is one of the tightest curves of any transit system and the speed of the curves is about 5 mph. The trams come to a near stop before negotiating the curve and there are greaser units to squirt grease on the rails to lubricate them.
Whenever new equipment is ordered for the Green Line, the MBTA can't purchase off-the-shelf trams and has to customize them in order to fit the tunnel and curve. Some years ago, BREDA made the mistake of using bogies that were too large causing the test train to derail and get stuck causing millions in damages.
Hi Dale, as someone who loves tunder and lightning, it was great to see the other train leaving the platform and seeing the electricity from the shoes as it went away from Arnos Grove. Great video and commentary yet again.
There's my evening sorted.....
Well done Dale...great as ever
Great commentary, always something new and interesting to hear on every run!
Really enjoying the videos.
Another very enjoyable journey Dale ....thank you. You must have amazing eyesight to see signals and trains so far ahead. lol. Thanks again..all the best. p.s. Just noticed, big well done on reaching 20K subs. Awesome.
Thanks again for a great video and learned some more about you job and the tubes' operations.. Till next time...
Ok, so I’m thinking a collaboration of some sorts between you and Jago Hazzard would be really really good. You are both extremely good communicators, fantastic to listen to and knowledgeable. I’m just sewing the seeds👌😊
Thanks for another great video!
Thank you for sharing this Dale
Hi Dale, really enjoying these videos - work for SWR down in Wiltshire but always been fascinated with the underground as well!
Always find your videos fascinating :)
Awesome as always, Dale. Thank you.
The distant trains in the pipe come out well thanks Dale. I am always surprised that the signals are some on the left of the track, some on the right. I believe that, on the pre-grouping Great Eastern Railway, of which I make models, the signals are always to the left of the running line to which they refer. I don't know if that is still true for modern UK mainline trains.
Well done Dale, it explains some of the mysteries of the Tube to those of us who live in the countryside.
Your employers must be pleased with your videos.
They have never said any thing about them so I guess that’s good. If they was unhappy I am sure I would hear about it
Great video as always, very much enjoyed learning about the different type of SPAG you can have, though I'm sad to head that bol' isn't one of them!!
I'll chalk this up to watch later this evening. Thanks again in advance for making the effort to record and publish these videos.
loved this video especially your description of the signals and SPADS was another great video
Brilliant once again
Another great video. Thanks Dale 👍
Good stuff mate, keep them coming! 😄
You are jolly and informative.
Another great video. Thank you Dale. Regards Michael from Germany
Thanks Dale for this video. I enjoyed it. Until the next one😁👍
Love it class
Love it ❤
Amazing insight! I’ve grown up in Arnos Grove and still commute from AG to Wood Green every day and I love looking out for any oddities about the place
Thats a nice surprise, early day for me so I'm gonna enjoy this. 👍
Hope you enjoy
Sat down with a cold beer to watch the latest vid from you. It’s alway good to watch your vids. Extremely interesting facts 5hat I didn’t know, I used the tube a lot in the 1980’s I remember the Jubilee line terminating at Charing Cross oh how times have changed❤😊
Keep up the good work
love these videos btw, keep them up
Great trip, followed it on a map as you went along. Only been to London a couple of times in the sixties and seventies, the station names brought back memories.
Great video dale
Great Video
Great video and informative as usual. Wish this route was on train sim world on the Xbox.
I have never travelled onthe underground in London so I find your videos really interesting
I travel A lot from King’s Cross to Arnos Grove find it cool I do
Cheers Dale, another good video, re camera battery I use a power bank plugged into my GoPro whilst recording a long run with a 256Gb SD card also have a spare SD card just incase needed they don't take up much room to carry around, giving more options.
You need to find a way to do a ride along video from the A/C/E lines on the New York subway!
south kensington has the natural history musuem, the sciene musuem and the london planetarium. I've been there a few times but only via the district line.
Hey Dale. Probably wouldn't work at the moment bcause the season is over, but I think a really good video would be one where Arsenal FC are playing at home.
2nd, I hope for you to be the operator on the first 24' Stock Passenger train and the last ever 73' Stock train
Love your videos, Simon
Picturesque place , visit Costa Café nearby ...
When you make your Stop at King Cross, St. Pancras is where on the King's Cross side is where the infamous fire on the tube
Yes King’s Cross was the station that had the big fire. It started by a cigarette getting dropped on some rubbish in the wooden escolators. Long before my time .
Wheel squeal. A retired senior BR engineer explained it as:- in a curve the wheels on the outside have to travel further than those on the inside. The wheels are fixed on the axles, there is no differential, so the wheels have to slip slightly on the rail head. There is a steam railway near me with a tight curve on the station approach. You can clearly see the slip patterns on the railhead.
There's other reasons for squeal too, like wheels that are worn unevenly allowing the flange to rub, axles or rails that are on the narrow end of the allowed margin.
There's a sign about plunging at Morden station!
Looking forward to the BA first class cabin review when you visit New York. Wouldn't it be great to go to Grand Central station and hook up with a MTA 'motorman' or conductor and film a ride on the NYC subway system.
I hope it should be a good trip. Although at the moment I can’t get a window seat 😢😢
50:38 Hi Dale, I believe the reason why some 73 stock units screech worse than others around bends is due to differring levels of wear on the side profile of the wheels as it is a wear part of the train.
It shows up well on this video how close Convent garden and Leicester square are together.
Your train driving videos were a great find! Keep them coming please. Is the precise braking difficult for the inexperienced drivers? I trust your driving skill. Greetings from Finland.
Like every thing it becomes easier the more practice you get. Some people take to it quickly and some need more time
Therefore static friction is higher than rolling friction it's always a good idea to let the train better run slowly than came to a full stop.
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Enjoyed the video Dale! Just two quick questions, for the Piccadilly - Northen Line bypass at Kings Cross St Pancras, is that normally used for engineering works as i dont really remember and have you ever been down there and is this the same for the Piccadilly - Victoria Line crossover at Finsbury Park. Anyway, loved the videos and can't wait to see more. Thanks for explaining what happens if you miss a signal or miss a platform. Honestly your driving vids actually answered a lot of questions I have had e.g, i mostly know now about some of the random tracks coming out of tunnels here and there and now I mostly know where they go and mostly other things as well. etc, sorry for the long comment.
Those roads that lead to the northern and vic lines are not some thing as a normal driver I would use. Engineering trains will use them to move between lines. Test train operators may also use them to move trains around. Before COVID Northfields would often have a train from the northern or jubilee lines in the sidings at weekend. So they would use those sort of crossings
Dale just an idea when you go to New York why don't you get in touch with the transport company what does the underground and over head trains in New York. And ask them if possible if you could film on one of there routes so we can see what it's like on there trains.
Don't Tell Him Pike Lane. ;)
I was taught to say Turnpike Lane with an Italian accent as Turner Picker Larn-ay.
Some of the stations seem really close together
Friend request sent! :)
Can confidently say I'm addicted to these videos! Keep up the good work! How likely do you think it is you might get a run down the eastbound local between Northfields and Acton through the dive under? I know not many trains are scheduled there and signalling can always change though!
Yes I will record it at some point. I don’t drive down there that often
@@dalecharmantravels8057 Awesome! Out of interest (if you're able to say), why aren't trains split more evenly between the fast/local lines? Does it cause too much interference with District/Uxbridge services at Acton?
Yes, depot plungers, for us drivers it’s known as something else, a ‘donkeys’ wotsit’ 😂
Yes I have an avoided mentioning that 🤣🤣🤣. Although on the Pic line at least most have been removed for a normal button plunger
Piccadilly Line 1973 Tube Stock
Will the new trains be ato?
Thanks Dale, informative and entertaining as always. A couple of questions for you. 1) What voltage do the trains run on? 2) Have you ever accidentally opened the doors on the wrong side of the train or is there something to prevent this happening? 👍
The underground use 630 volts DC. As for the doors, I have never opened them on the wrong side. I do cover this topic in a video coming out soon
I really enjoy the content, keep the videos coming! My question is about the doors. Is it so obvious that you can't help but open the correct side, or is there some form of failsafe in place to avoid opening doors to a blank wall or otherwise? Thanks in advance!
I talk about this in an upcoming video that should be out in the next couple of weeks or so
Can you board the train from both sides at arnos Grove?
Hi Dale - do you know where the half-way point is in ‘the pipe’? I reckon it’s York Rd disused station.
In terms of stations it’s between Holborn and russel square. In terms of the actual length of the tunnel then no idea
Dale is the underground controled by 1 signal box
No. Currently the whole of the Piccadilly Line is signalled from South Kensington with the exception of Rayners Lane to Uxbridge which thankfully is still with Rayners Lane Cabin and that's just the Picc
have u ever taken a wrong train after a meal relief at acton and heading west or east?
Hi Dale, another enjoyable video.
Quick question for you. Do you ever have to stable the last train at a depot other than where your car is at? If so, how do you get home?
Hi bigsid, if this happens the company pay for a taxi to take him back to Cockfosters
I have never had to do it but as the reply from evelynsutton4411 says the company would get us a taxi back to our depot. That’s assuming no trains are running
can I ask why on the tube it is called a corner, and on the overground lines it is called a curve?
So basically a SPAD 1 is where the driver completely fails to take note of a red signal.
I wouldn’t say failed to take note but it could be they brakes a little late or some thing. A lot of SPADs happen with the train travelling only at a few miles an hour rather than full speed past
@@dalecharmantravels8057 Should be called SPAR's. Signal passed at red. No?
I think I might have spotted you at Cockfosters at around ~5pm on Thurs or Fri, heading to a train on Platform 4.
I was at Cockfosters around that time. Can’t remember what platform I was using though
@@dalecharmantravels8057 Was a Southbound Uxbridge I think
When you are in the sidings, or waiting to start a journey like in todays video, do signallers ever “forget” about you? Like you plunge in the sidings and never get a signal?
Is the 73 stock able to get into Aldwych branch? When the stable train in the branch get into the running line does that affect the eastbound operation?
I believe the power has all being taken out of the Aldwych branch. But yes the 73 stock can in theory go down there. They used to use 3 car 73 stock trains for that branch
When you departed Leicester Square the following signal was red and there was no yellow repeater before it. Are there many places where you can go straight from a green onto a red?
Yes. The repeaters are there if the signal is obscured or if it has had many instances of SPADs. So if you have good sighting distance to a signal, with that I mean if it was red would you have time to stop once you could see the signal then you don’t need a repeater. That’s the general idea. Of cause there are some signals that have good sighting distance and still have a repeater
Does parallel refer to having stator field windings and rotor windings in parallel?
That’s far too technical for me 🤣🤣. As far as drivers are concerned it just means full power and that’s all we know 🤣
I was thinking about that station when you were in the middle with what looked like platforms on both sides of the train. What happens with the outside live rail? I understood that they always moved it away from the passenger side of the track?
So on middle platforms the positive rail will just be one one side as normal. As you said as a rule they put the positive rail a way from the platform when they can
@@dalecharmantravels8057 Thanks, so not ideal but more of a necessity.
Nice one Dale how's the piccadilly line
It’s the same old 🤣🤣. Not sure if that’s a good or bad thing
@@dalecharmantravels8057 yeah even though it's every 20 minutes between Rayners Lane and Uxbridge
Love your vids Dale, a lot of things going on this time! lnteresting info about the SPADS, next time l'm on the pic l'll understand a lot more what goes on! Thanks.
Hi there when train go into sidings are they power down
They are left with the power on
There was 4 trains stabled at Arnos Grove sidings, did you choose the best one out of the 4? Or they allocate you one? No 320 again?
It was allocated to me
@@dalecharmantravels8057
I think this is how most of the trains are normally formed, but as you already know, they do change them around for engineering purposes.
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Do you find that your eyes have to constantly adjust between the dark tubes and the brightly lit stations / open air? If so, is there any trick to it? 😎
The tunnel to the stations don’t effect me. However if it is very bright out then that can be an issue. To help with that turn the cab light on to adjust your vision. If you are coming out the tunnel then sunglasses as well
Do you ever work trains into Northfields Depot? Do you have any videos of that?
I do but not very often. I don’t have any videos of it as of yet. I will film it as and when I can
Hi Dale. May I ask? What made you want to drive the Piccadilly line?
I didn’t 🤣. I originally wanted the northern line as I knew some of the line. However I was given the pic line once I started training
@@dalecharmantravels8057 OK. So you were going to drive the Northern line but ended up on the Piccadilly line? Why was that?
Dale Charman, do you only ride the Picadilly Line?
Yes only the Piccadilly Line
So at 20:00 you are held at a red signal, how long would you usually wait before contacting control to find out whats happening? Just curious really, i assume that depends on the driver?
The rule book says after 2 minutes with no info and you should call the signaller/controller