i get ur point that u dont blame harry nad that maybe malfoy even deserved it but im gonna sude wuth morgan, its out of character for harry to beat someone up so brutally so to bruise his own knuckles
He also trashed Molly Weasley which is why Fred joined Harry and they ganged up on Malfoy. George would have joined the 2 and make it a 3v1 if not all 3 chasers hold him back. Wich shows you hiw angry they gotten with Malfoy, it needed 3 girls to keep George from joining the fight. Everyone so that so George also got banned from Quidditch by Umbridge like Fred and Harry
Yeah it was definitely deserved bullies need asswhoopings sometimes and he trashed Harry’s dead mom AND his surrogate mom and caught harry at a bad time
@@adamtoke3702 I never thought about that, the horcrux, it's what made him more annoyed, if you think that way then the filmmakers ruined it by making him look good and understandable.
@@merlinsbeard9746 The locket only affects people who wear it, and as far as I'm concerned he didn't wear it. I just assumed he was so annoyed because he had to live in his family house.
I have to say I love the part where petunia slips up and explains about the dementors and when Harry explains to them that Voldemort is back. The way it is explained that petunia looked at Harry with fear not hatred always makes me look at them differently.
It makes you realize just how interested and fascinated Petunia was with the wizarding world. She was just feigning hatred and indifference towards it because she wasnt gifted with magic
@Jenna Lenn999 You definitely make a good point, but Cho was seriously all over the place, and it wasn't fair to Harry to have to try and navigate all that. He made a good choice by calling off the relationship. Having a loved one murdered would definitely give people everlasting PTSD, but I think that The Order of the Phoenix would've been a better story as a whole if Cho's character was written a little different, possibly with less mood swings?
One of my fav parts in the movie, is when Sirius accidentally calls Harry James. It shows what everyone around them has been thinking, that he never truly got over the loss of his friend and saw Harry as somewhat of a replacement.
Personally I would say order of the Phoenix was my favorite, I always felt like the first 4 books felt like 4 separate stories and the last three felt like one story told in three parts, when i read the order of the Phoenix it was the first book, not just in the series, but the first book in my life that I was disappointed to finish, because I really just wanted to keep reading but had to wait 2 years for the next one.
I've only read this one once. Somehow in under two weeks and it hurt to put it down, apart from the department of mysteries bit. That went on and on and on😂
I got through it in 3 days during isolation but it still felt like a slog ( ano 3 days is nothing but with all the rest I got through in 2 minus goblet which was 3)
Oooo this looks fun. Some thoughts: OOTP is my favorite of the books for sure, but it did take 3 reads before it entered my #1 ranking. I still enjoyed it during initial reads, but the middle chunk is quite slow. To its credit though, the sheer amount of detail in the book helped me get invested in the characters and universe more than ever. And, I appreciated said details and depth more on 2nd and 3rd reads, even if pacing tanks a bit in the middle chunk; late 20s. But the plot drag in the story at points is totally understandable. The Weasly is our King part is actually one of my favorite parts of the books, because Ron rises to the occasion and grows through that terrible experience. Ron's resilience and patience through that ordeal really made me appreciate his character, and that plot line cause me to love Ron more than ever. The Cho Chang point I totally agree with though lol. Her character has not aged well. I still need to marinade on the other points, but despite it being my favorite book I can see what you mean concerning OOTP's different issues. I seriously love OOTP even still and it is the HP book I have re-read the most.
I would disagree on Ron's patience. He's not patient out of himself but is forced to. He wants to resign but Aneglina won't let him. Still, Ron's triumph at the end of it is great, of course. :)
I actually like it a lot and I’d rate it either 3 or 4 on any given Sunday. I remember reading it the first time and actually being hungry for the level of detail that Rowling provided. However, I can see why this reviewer has it ranked so low. Sometimes the cinematic and book versions blend together for me and I can’t separate the two to accurately rate it.
I don't like Harry's relationship with Cho because she isn't the right person for him, BUT I don't blame her for her crying It's PTSD, honestly. Just because she processes it through grief rather than anger like Harry does, it doesn't mean it's bad. That and the fact that Voldemort is looming over the whole thing, of course.
I agree that Cho and her grief aren't necessarily bad, it's more how she pretty much takes it out on Harry that I find infuriating. She lost her boyfriend, but Harry was the one who had to watch him die and then get tortured by Voldemort and Death Eaters. Of course he doesn't want to talk about it.
Please, it's not like she was Cedric's wife. They went to a dance together and dated for some months (4-5?). That's about it. She shouldn't feel that broken-hearted.
I have to admit his actual death in the book saddened me more in later life as there was a chance he could have survived that blast if he wasn't standing in front of the veil
Even if Sirius had a way smaller role in the movies (sadly), his death still saddened me the most. Because the relationship between Harry and Sirius in the movies was sooo good ! Movie Harry and Movie Sirius really had the best chemistry. That's the reason why I hate the scene in Dumbeldores office in the movie.
@@ronan1686 No, that was only in the movie ! In the *book* ,the curse that hits Sirius is not identified and his being knocked through the Veil is what causes his *death* Harry in the books needed several minutes till he understood that Sirius was dead, I think that's the reason why they choose the killing curse in the movie. To make it more obviously that Sirius was dead..
Although it’s not Harry being controlled by Voldemort’s anger when he assaults Draco, the amount of stress and trauma that Harry has been through at this point with no real help, which often causes intense mood swings which is what I would characterize Harry’s attack as
Yes, he felt lonely. Everyone was telling him to do this to do that but not saying the reason why. Ron and Hermione too didn't say anything. So in Harry's point of view everyone was hiding things from Harry and was not telling him anything. He felt isolated...
@@ilqar887 Yes but that was the point of the whole book, not to lose your temper or let emotions get you into trouble and the whole point of the occlumency lessons with snape.
ootp is my favorite book because i love the emotion in it. everytime i read "umbridge" i got nervous. i could feel harry's pain throughout the book, especially when he locked himself in the room with buckbeak. my favorite part was harry's conversation with dumbledore. i loved how calm dumbledore was while harry threw his things and how it made harry even angrier.
Yes omg. It was so emotional and so good. I know it was long but that was my favorite part about it, the way that while reading you could feel Harry’s emotions was just amazing
This is true. When I was reading the book, Harry's emotions was hurting we so much. His trauma was brutal 😢 My heart was broken when Sirius was killed and Harry was shattered. It was so good when Harry was finally raging about what Dumbledore have done. I was feeling so much furious because of Albus. I have kinda really hated him after this 😭😂😂
@@Babidi111 It would have been, if they hadn't already sort of messed up Dumbledore's character in the movie's. Dumbledore had long since lost his "always calm" cahracter that he had in the books, especially since Goblet of Fire, so the scene honestly wouldn't have really had the same effect anymore even if they had kept it.
The Order of the Phoenix is actually my favourite mostly because it's so long and has so much details haha Everytime I'm so happy to throw myself into it because I know it's so long and I can fully immerge myself into the universe !
Same, but i have another reason and its that this is the most important book in the series cuz serius dies so harry wants revenge and also harry learns more about voldemort, the prophecy, the order and the ministry etc
While the Goblet of Fire took longer to get to Hogwarts, it did much better with what it had. You get a small glimpse of Voldemorts backstory, the best Dursley visit, the Quiditch World Cup, etc. Now, compare that to Order of the Phoenix, where we..., clean a house?
But we hard the Quidditch World Cup and the appearance of the Dark Mark and Death Eaters as well as that opening chapter with Voldemort and Wormtail. It builds tensions and sets up the ending and we get to see an international wizarding tournament. Plus, Harry isn’t yelling every 10 lines
With Sirius’ character, he had been able to roam free since prisoner of Azkaban and now he had to stay cooped up in a house he hated and most of the time didn’t have any company except for kreacher. You can see how happy he was when Harry and the weasleys stayed for Christmas.
After quarantine, I understand how extended isolation and not leaving the house effects people. It gets into your head and makes you not quite right. Sirius was being sent straight back to Azkaban while being trapped in that house. Can you _really_ blame him for not being happy about things?
He's also never been the most well-adjusted person to begin with- he's the least mature Marauder after Wormtail, and tried to KILL Snape when he was a student as a prank; the risks he took to support Harry or get Harry gifts in the previous books could easily be attributed to his reckless disposition, loneliness and trauma as much as caring for a godson he's never met etc I always read Sirius as a tragic, impulsive and emotionally stunted character owing to his false imprisonment and the loss of so many close friends, as well as his lousy childhood and his tempermental and contrarian nature- frankly, even if Lily's Blood Protection spell was not a factor, I STILL wouldn't want Harry and Sirius to be living together, because to be frank Sirius is too unstable and needs many, many years of serious therapy before he can be trusted with looking after a kid, especially one he might be emotionally confusing with his long dead childhood friend. It would probably be a dysfunctional arrangement where Sirius keeps wanted Harry to go on adventures with him, and Harry gets disturbed by his treatment of Kreacher (and vice-verse) and Sirius having random outbursts and breakdowns- in other words, it wouldn't be as fun as either of them imagined it to be.
I personally think it was great that Harry and Fred beat the hell out of Malfoy. In real life you can’t expect someone to bully you for seven years straight because that’s exactly what would have happened. Whenever someone bully’s me I do what Harry did and beat the living hell out of them.
I think it’s just built up emotion that he’s been trying his best to hide for so many years and all the pain and suffering he has had to go through comes back to haunt him and he just loses it.
Haha, I have the opposite reaction to OotP. It's my favorite and always has been. I love how it meanders and lingers on details as oppose to rushing from action to action. The ending in the book is a thousand times better than the movie for me. The movie version feels so vanilla in comparison. The fact that it's taking so long, in what's supposed to be a race against time, adds an undercurrent of suspense. You can feel how stressed Harry is, how desperate. The fact that the six are split up makes for a lot of tension because you don't KNOW what's happening to them or if they're okay. Sort of horror-movie style your mind comes up with worst case scenarios. And Harry being alone makes the situation more dire in the books. Neville, Luna and Ginny's moments are also so, so great. Up until that point, we knew how badass Ron and Hermione are. But this was the first time we really saw the other three really shine. Harry even thinks to himself, before they take off, that they would be his last picks from the DA for a mission like this. He really eats those words. While HBP (book and movie) are super low on the list, maybe even least favorite. Funnily enough the relationship bullshit in HBP is more difficult for me, because it's so dumb. Cho at least has reason to be emotionally confused, as oppose to Ginny's other love interests. Ron, Lavender and Hermione's love triangle is sooo boring because I hate love triangles. Though I like Harry and Ginny in that book a lot. The OotP movie is among my least favorite of the movies, because they cut so much. 😂 However, I agree 💯% with you on Sirius. He's much better in the movie. Love your video essays.
Yes, i quite enjoyed the cleaning chapters 😄 but then again i love world building and that really added to the every day life of the witches and wizards
The fifth book is my favourite. I'm going to hate watching this vid. But I'm going to watch it anyway. Because you're cool. But the fifth book is still the best !
With the Harry punching Malfoy part, while I agree that it was out of character, I think Rowling did this deliberately to show how Harry's circumstances are affecting him and changing him. Think about it, he has severe ptsd from seeing his friend die and the evillest wizard who ever lived come back to life, his mentor Dumbledore is ignoring him, he's having dreams that he doesn't understand and a lot more. So I think because of how stressed he was during this book, him acting up more than what he usually does makes sense. Just my thoughts though
I feel like the only reason Sirius is like this in the book is that he was tired of being cooped up in the house with no hope of helping the order or protecting Harry from harm. Being stuck in the same place for so long knowing that you can't do anything to help or protect your loved ones probably took a toll on him. Also, the house he lives in probably reminds him of the painful memories he had as a kid growing up with a pureblood obsessed family ( and the family tree), so that could probably explain his behavior in the book.
Not only that, it was also an important plot point. The Sirius fought the battle of the department of mysteries to rescue Harry was because, well, he wanted to be in action and duel.
Overall, I like how OOTP sets up out-of-character actions because I thought the self-contradictions developed some characters more. Hermione has been shown to be more inconvenient than helpful when she’s driven on something. The burnt-out conclusion of SPEW I thought was a funny way of showing how yet again her eager attitude can be annoying. Cho I thought had a truthful inner-self revealed, like Sirius but to a lesser degree. I was interested in seeing how the bright, charming girl at school can quickly become moody and pitiful when undergoing life pressure. I also enjoyed that she and Harry were able to connect as their worlds were transitioning into ‘darker times.’ Even if the relationship was pointless, people tend to seek intimacy during rough times. Harry has shown a tendency to be isolated and cold when he’s emotional-a habit developed growing up under the stairs. But his inner rage/violence is definitely something unlike him to act on. OOTP is known to be the turning point though. And I think it’s the heightened emotions and repressed anger that cause him to lash out on Draco in both OOTP and Half-Blood Prince. The desired effect of the scary fight can be to show the true “darkness” that resides in Harry, how someone honorable and loving can become brash and harmful.
my reading of this book completely changed when i read it through the lens of trauma. arguably, the theme of this book is that trauma can dramatically change our relationships, emotions, and reactions even if everything is technically “the same”. cho, harry, and sirius react to things differently now because they’re having a trauma response, and as an adult i think i can appreciate that as an element of their development (it’s actually a good thing for a character to respond to things that have happened as opposed to staying static throughout, even if that change is to be more aggressive or more selfish. it shows that the world has stakes!) when i was a kid i found this book super boring and frustrating, but now i appreciate it differently. :)
that's a really interesting take. i love your analogy of how trauma responses show that there are things at stake. will definitely have to read the book at some point.
Absolutely! Sirius and Harry acting out of character is a result of that trauma 100% and neither one of them knew how to deal or talk about it. AND both of their environments were super toxic. Sirius in the Black household and Harry at school with Umbridge and Snape. 😪 Hard to read because everything is just so bleak.
I didn't remember Sirius was portrayed that depressed. If that was intended, I wish Rowling had built on it more, or at least make it more explicit. Could have been such a devastating but truthful story of mental health issues.
actually I thought it was a brilliant and subtle way to show depression. To a spectator, it seems so hard to understand and the behaviour seems irrational and difficult to understand. It took Harry whole summer to actually understand what happened to Sirius, to draw the conclusion of how Sirius felt and hence blame Snape for edging Sirius to the point where he didn't care. Throughout the book, Harry ignored all inclinations to Sirius's behaviour, even when he was warned by Hermoine and Molly. Denial, you may say, that's how everyone ignores depression and signs they see. But we also saw some PTSD signs in Harry, very vividly. His frustration, nightmares and recklessness made me sick, I always felt he needed therapy. But I felt it was subdued in The half-blood Prince, maybe because Dumbledore was there with him that now he knew the responsibility he had.
Anushree s i agree, the house is a personification of Sirius, he’s forced to live inside himself, and at the moment he is hating his situation and himself, just like the “house” hates it situation and itself. Imagine having to constantly face the worst part of you daily and never able to leave. I’ve always taken it as sometimes situation is and can be detrimental to someone’s mental health. I think this is then kind of what helps push Harry to where he is, he has to feel absolutely alone here even when he is not. Sirius (father figure) is treating Harry shitty but wants him to know things to suck him into it an away from Hogwarts, and Molly (mother figure) is treating Harry the best of anyone, but wants to keep him in the dark to force him out and to Hogwarts. I liked that part.
@@anushrees4981 thanks so much for your responses, now I can find a lot more value in that story! I do still wish it was made more explicit so I could have realised some of it earlier.
Selko Kieli I get making it more explicit but if you think the age range of people reading the book, and the stigma of mental health back then was I think getting too straight forward would have been a turn off to many.
@@pillowboy7995 Haha it's not even near to be fast paced, while The Hobbit has a wonderful flow and pacing, LOTR is this massive, epic story, Tolkien talked about every single tree they passed by in that story, lol
One of the reasons I appreciate this book, is the way the reader treats Sirius is how people tend to treat depressed people in real life. We think they are being selfish and should be happy when they are feeling isolated and alone. JK did a great job of portraying depression through Sirius
I would if I lost my best friends ket the killer get away git put on prison woth barely any food dementirs torturing u making u relive worst memories anyone would be and then having to live in ur childhood abusive house again
My ranking has to be the weirdest ones: Favourite Book: Half-Blood Prince (This book was so amazing. I can write a 750 word essay on why this is not only a great HP book, but this is masterful story writing on even higher levels.) Worst Book: Chamber Of Secret (it didn't hold any stakes for me, I didn't care about anything that was happening in this book, but the Deathday party and Bassilisk battle was lit AF) Favourite Movie: Chamber Of Secret (the cinematography, the accuracy to book, everything was FLAWLESS) Least Favourite Movie: Half Blood Prince (The most terrible adaptation ever)
Agent Of Chaos You think Half Blood Prince was the worst book adaptation ever? I mean I didn’t like the movie either, it was boring. But try watching the Percy Jackson movies or Eragon. Those are much worse!
Aljan Donker Eragon got fucked up too. Yeah Half Blood Prince wasn’t good imo either but even that movie did some things right that Percy Jackson & Eragon didn’t even try on.
Order of the Phoenix is my least favorite book, but I can appreciate it for how well it portrayed Harry's growing PTSD due to the trauma he endured since book 1. Sirius's death still haunts me.
Sirius's death haunts me, too. But also all the bullies at Hogwarts (Umbitch & her Inquisitorial Squad), Harry's recurring nightmares, & Arthur getting attacked, all ruined the book for me. The Cho & Harry stuff was annoying, but not the reason I hate the book. I hate the book because of the violent parts.
It was because of this I didn't like. I felt it rushed through the development and healing of his PTSD and adolescence. He's been almost dead since book 1 and emotionally and physically abused since before the first book, he should have been showing signs of ptsd early on and we should have been exploring it from the jump and then SUDDENLY at 15 Harry's an adolescence? They all are suddenly? I wasn't happy it felt rushed and drawn out at the same time
@@Tru1Tani fair enough, and I agree with you. He's been through so much since book 1 it's a miracle he didn't snap earlier. I guess the growing hormones, return of Voldemort, and death of Cedric was the thing that finally broke the Hippogriff's back.
@@claireakaforestgreenorgang9506 considering the fact that Arthur was supposed to die certainly didn't help. Order of the Phoenix was a warning that no one was safe, everyone was on the chopping block.
honestly, i think beating up draco (finally :D) was very realistic because of harry's emotional state, also the size of the department of mysteries and the fact that most of the dumbledore's army get injured and then split are also just realistic, much more than in the movies yes, of course, the department only has prophecy and veil halls inside and 6 kids deal so well with 12 grown death eaters that they all come out uninjured, only luna has a tiny cut on her lip, very realistic, the movie destroyed these and more scenes imo
Klaudia Malinowska exactly I see this as realistic as well, and the whole point of the brains and baby face he complained about were to show why it’s called the department of mysteries- it’s completely wack
I agree with you on the issue with Harry hitting Draco. It's realistic. I mean, imagine. Your going through puberty and your summer has just gone to hell. And not to mention what things he already has to go through. And top that off with Draco bullying him for 5 years straight about his non-exsistent family, which already is a sore spot for him, of course he's going to be fed up and unfortunately this moment, he cracks.
She Sy EXACTLYYYYY 💯💯 plus this poor guy WITNESSES HIS FRIEND BEING MURDERED and then nO ONE FUCKING BELEIVES HIM like if Harry were me I’d have gotten pissed half way through book one
@Fictional Subliminals I get what you're saying about Sirius' death even though I don't agree. In the book his death was kinda dubious, we don't know which spell Bellatrix casted so we don't know for sure if she killed him, all we know is that he fell in the veil and we don't really know what the veil is so there's this lingering hope that he may not be dead. Harry is so desperate and confused and even gets angry that Sirius' isn't coming out of the veil until he realizes Sirius never left him waiting and then it hits him so hard he rans after Bellatrix. I remember reading the book for the first time and just sobbing, thinking he can't de dead he can't de dead and wishing with Harry to hurt Bellatrix and frustrated that he couldn't. But this can't be shown in the movie so his death needed to be more obvious, is was visually well made and a good adaptation but not having this hope that he was alive took some of the impact for me. What I think was really powerful in the movie was that added line "nice one James", damn that was sad.
Honestly I think Harry beating Malfoy hard in the book would have fitted in the movie very well, since in the movie you have a lot of scenes with Harry acting like Voldemort and the struggle of Harry thinking he is turning bad, this fight, framed and edited properly with flashes of Voldemort in between punches, the music getting sinister and people around him reacting, make Malfoy look more sympathetic after seeing Harry go too far and even Harry scared of what he did himself, would be a very powerful scene.
Harry is really gary stu'd down as the series progresses. The angst, even from Order of the Phoenix, isn't nearly close to the level it is in the book. He's not as sassy and moody in the films.
Very interesting point of view, especially the part with Sirius. I know the book feels boring and long but it was necessary. Harry had to go through a bad relationship to be more mature for Ginny. Ginny had to developed her confidence and power to be with harry. Also, i loved the scene with Malfoy because it showed that Harry sometimes acts like a normal teenager, of course he can get angry and of course Malfoy deserved a few more. Finally, this book changed the tone of the series, with the prophecy and the death of Sirius.
I think everyone here is insane it's easily my favorite book I think Harry gets the best character development with him being imperfect and letting his mistreatment affect his mood for once. And the fact that now for once the actual Ministry of magic is the enemy this time makes the threat really close to home compared to before where it was just Voldemort each time.
I get it. This book had the best character development. But you need to know the audience of this book are kids, or early teenagers, who by the way, have a low attention span. The plot was good and subtle but it was nothing mind-blowing, or something that kids or early teens find stimulating: like horcruxes
@@heyytheree its completely a children's book, with some dark moments, but yeah, the series was targeted towards kids. An adult might not enjoy Harry Potter as much as an 11 year old would.
@@nothingmuch1039e9 nah. Once Voldemort returns, its a teenage book and can be enjoyed by adults. The series is far to complex for kids to fully underrated
I feel like the cho chang arc is pretty funny. it feels like a relatable failed high school romance where you think someone's great from a distance but then you hang out and everything is just a lot more awkward than you imagined. i also personally like that harry ends up alone at the end of the book though I get your argument about unity with his friends. the reason i appreciate him fighting alone though is because I feel like overall harry's skills as a wizard are generally pretty underestimated. this is the first time when all of his friends are with him but they don't make it as far as him and it just really exemplifies to me harry's above average skills in defense against the dark arts.
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Now imagine having to live where you were abused after being in jail for 12 years for a crime you didn't commit with a servant that hates you... Padfoot suffered big time... :/
OOTP is my second favourite book after HBP because I love how we get all the good characters like Remus,Sirius,Tonks,LUNA,Kingsly ect. It is a very sad book though because of how Harry is feeling which is why HBP is a slightly better read for me, because there a aspects to it like harry not being in the dark anymore and Ginny making him happy. It also goes through Harry's grieving process without making it completely miserable, such as when Harry doesn't want to talk about Sirius or hear his name.
Me as Harry in my OWL year first DADA class Me: Lord Voldemort killed Cedric Diggory! Umbridge: Cedric Diggory’s death was a tragic accident! Me: wOmaN wHy yOu tAlkInG bAcK tO yOuR oWn bIrTh! EDIT; Tysm for the likes!
I don't know why, but I loved all these details. It really helped me to understand all the characters and how they are. But, I can relate to feeling that, sometimes, the characters didn't feel like themselves
I agree with all of what you said except for the fight that Harry and Draco had I would have done the same thing cuz if I lost my mom and dad it would be a very touchy subject and I would get very mad if someone who I hate started making fun of them
Last year my dad died and I to,d my friend in my lesson, and the boys behind me started laughing. J started silently crying g and they just laughed harder. I never hated anyone more in my life
True😂. Harry was the guy who complains a lot that he hates being famous but becomes jealous and pissed when the attention was not on him. And he was kind of a jerk and worst friend in this book and way over his head.
@chethansreddy5324 excuse me, what? The whole point of the tantrum scene is that Harry is grieving. He lost the only person he has ever been able to consider family literally that same day, and you're calling his anger attention-seeking behavior? Have you read these books? He was mad because Sirius died. Even though Harry had only known him for 2 years at this point, he had already grown to accept him as a father figure. The poor boy basically just saw his dad murdered in front of him. This is not attention-seeking. This is pure grieving rage. This scene is one of the most emotional in the book (I think, been a while since I read them). It is a downright shame it didn't make it into the movie. This is one thing I think the book did amazingly that the movie could not quite capture.
I honestly really like how the book was written mainly because of caps lock harry. I feel like the slow pace really helps you see how he overcomes the stages of grief. It's the first book where we really see harry as a deeper character and understand his emotions. I hate hate how they portrayed Sirius though.
It's like the middle book where harry isn't a kid but he's also not a grownup who can know everything. It's also the book where Voldemort actually appears properly and where the connection between them gets more pronounced. I just think that after Cedric died some people believed him and some people didn't. It was the start of the chosen one business as the sixth book he literally is the chosen one. And beforehand he has his own problems but it's not that bad if that makes sense. So yes I agree with you how he's just a deeper character and he's like on the turning point of his life.
@@leivaandre yeah. Sirius was very likeable in the books but he was almost too happy in Order of the Phoneix movie when he was actually shut up in the house he hated
Yeah and it's a pity, because this book has also some of the best ideas in HP story. Whole plot of Dumbledore Army was really good to read, their growth, the way Harry was enjoying all of this, scenes with Molly's boggart and Neville's parents in St. Mungo were devastating, Umbridge was brilliant villain, introducton of Luna to the story is just prfect, Department of Mysteries is good idea, I love Fred and George departure and this whole trolling and bullying Umbridge from all of students. But it all is somewhere lost, because of bad pacing. Too much of unneccessary plots.
it's funny because i remember reading somewhere that jkrowling finished writing the OoTP book then realised she left a huge hole in the plot so she had to go back and add more stuff. i think this could be why it's long because she might've added unnecessary bits she felt was needed for the plot. but obviously not many people like the book in the end 🤷🏻♀️
11:30 Although SPEW was so stupid, I like that it gave hermione a major flaw that made her seem less perfect. She was blinded by her vision and would not listen to Ron or Harry even thought they were always right.
@@SidPil because she tried to free house-elves. Most of them, were already happy at Hogwarts when Helga Hufflepuff employed them and probably saved them somehow from sth. Hermione thought this wasn't enough and wanted them to have freedom and rights. I do agree with them deserving rights(yeah, Lucius, looking at you, your family, the Blacks and all you other annoying pure-bloods who mistreat your house-elves), but most elves didn't need freedom as they somehow felt free.
I think the core issue with house elves is that if they really wanted to work for the wizards, they wouldn't need to be enslaved. And that's exactly what they are, slaves. If the elves want to work for you, free them and let them do it of their own choice under conditions that they agree with. It's absurd to suggest that a house elf couldn't do work unless they were enslaved.
While I didn't like the Cho and Harry relationship, I think it is pretty realistic as Cho is struggling with grief and Harry has some form of post traumatic stress - both of them are not in a great headspace for dating and the messy awkward back and forth relationship made sense to me.
It's my favorite actually The least favorite of mine is The Half Blood Prince Cuz the book was very small and the Teenage romance and Harry's Sudden childishness was quite jarring after the amount of character growth in Order of the Phoenix It was soon fixed afterwards Just Opinion
I respect your opinion is very different to mine but I love this book and I’m gonna say why I disagree: firstly I think the fact sirius acts ‘differently’ (which I don’t 100% agree on) is because he’s stuck in a house he literally ran away from. he’s shown to be depressed, most of the world now knows how it feels to be stuck in your house without leaving, especially a place that holds terrible memories would have an emotional toll on you. and sirius is an impulsive, selfish character - that’s why he said harry should be happy for a fight. sirius also then goes on to actually tell harry information about voldemort and the order, what’s he’s been yearning for all summer - unlike anyone else in the order! sirius is also a great comfort to harry throughout the year despite his situation and I never disliked sirius after reading this book! secondly the fight between harry and the twins and malfoy - this was a long time coming. malfoy constantly gets away with his bullying, and he really insulted all of them, and all the students (especially harry) are under so much pressure from umbridge. harry feels betrayed, isolated and he’s angry - malfoy was a breaking point. and it doesn’t really condone it: mcgonagall yells at them afterwards and says it’s appalling behaviour. the cho chang romance i thought was a cute depiction of awkward and sweet first love. i actually sympathise with cho, she clearly wanted to confide in harry because they both shared the same grief, and she thought he would get it. i thought it was a really realistic way of showing a teenage relationship that doesn’t really work out because you figure out you don’t click with the other person/ get what they need from you. of course it wasn’t the great love story of the sixth book because harry and ginny were meant for each other and end up together. as for the pacing I can see why you have issues, although I thought the mystery and uncertainty of the department of mysteries makes it suspenseful. also no hate, clearly we like different things! I think this book is one of the times harry is at his lowest so for ppl who don’t like to read about him having a shitty time I get why you’d like the other stories, but for me I love the angst hahah
Interesting thoughts, even though OotP is my favourite book. For me it is the only book where you can see more of daily life in the ministry and in Hogwarts and even though many things are not necessary for the story it is still just so interesting to know more. Moreover, The movie did not really make it to show the lonlyness of Harry. Scenes like Harry punching Malfoy or when Harry thinks he is a monster and has to go to the dursleys were all cut out in the movie. But what's really great about that book is the relationship between Harry and Dumbledore which reaches its climax during the conversation in Dumbledores Office. In the movie that was just completely left out.
I just rewatched the movie and was getting angry over just how much was cut. Removing the St. Mungo’s scenes was a crime, and many of the little things that let you really understand Harry were just gone! This is my favorite book and it got done dirty by the film
This is my favorite one lul. The book I enjoy the least is Chamber of Secrets (Still a great book). Cho is the only thing I’m not okay with. Only some parts of it. Too much crying crap
Maybe he dosent want to talk about it. Umm he also saw Cedric die he saw Voldemort come back. He cried over him. It's not like someone would be comfortable to just talk about that especially as some people don't believe him.
Harry had PTSD in this book after watching Cedric died. Cho was grieving because of that. You have to understand that losing someone has different effects on people. Making fun of Cho because she was crying is just so mean!!
I mean I think you make some very good points, but I have to disagree on a few things. Psychologically speaking Cho and Sirius were well written in the book i think. I don't like cho in the book or the relationship with harry but man that girl did go through a lot of trauma and is 16 year old. Dunno if you noticed but there are a lot of 16 yo girls that didn't go through anything and act way crazier. For Sirius i think maybe its a bit overwritten, but his character being so down the whole book is kinda normal if u think (and yes i agree its overdone, Sirius would show a bit more affection for Harry etc). Sirius was Finally free after Years of Prison only to get emprisoned in his own, hated house. Also, i like both the sequence in the film and in the books in the ministry for very different reasons, and i think they are both really well done in their own right. Great Video as always tho just my 2 Cents on this.
I have hard time rereading this book too. But I think it’s brilliant, how Sirius and Harry never thought it was their last times together. They are both teenagers with severe trauma, I personally think Sirius was stuck mentally at the age he went to prison. This was what made the Sirius’s death even more impactful. That mirrors with the next book’s ending, when Ginny says that Harry and she could’ve had years together. And their happy ending is more special and significant because this time Harry got his life with the person.
Order of the Phoenix is my favorite Harry Potter novel. But you make some great points! I think I like it more just because it’s the longest, so I get the more time in the potter verse with this book. There’s plenty of other reasons I like it though.
I feel like the department of mysteries scene was suitable in the book for the book and in the movie for the movie. In the book there can be this detailed lengthy adventure and explanation because it's easy to convey it. It's nice seeing the whole department of mysteries and the whole splitting up thing and everything was great for the book I enjoyed reading it. But in the movies it would have been ridiculous to get such a long scene so i am really glad they stayed together and sticked to one room. This way we get to see the battle in both ways Harry alone and all of then united. (BTW order if phoenix is also my least favorite)
It's my favorite actually too The least favorite of mine is The Half Blood Prince Cuz the book was very small and the Teenage romance and Harry's Sudden childishness was quite jarring after the amount of character growth in Order of the Phoenix It was soon fixed afterwards Just Opinion Also Can you start a Song of Ice and Fire ?? The guy's a genius and each line has so much more meaning Thats a lot considering the length The theories the themes and the potential is a lot Please please please I want a good Book TH-camr ( of which there are few ) to cover it A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE !
I agree that Sirius if not really his normal self when we first see him in this book, but I really feel like the time that the characters spend in that house is very important to understand why exactly Sirius is seemingly behaving so selfishly. It's imperative to impress upon the reader just how dark and dreary and depressing the house of black is, and about the nature of his relationship with the rest of the black family. This is a place that he hoped he would never ever have to come back to. Having to live inside a constant reminder of the Bad Blood and falling-out that you had with your family is quite literally one of the most depressing things I could ever imagine. The reason I feel it is so important is because this is directly what leads to Sirius behaving so recklessly and is indirectly what gets him killed in the end. The reason I feel it is so important is because it quite specifically highlights that Sirius is in a regressive state that kind of brings him down to a parallel with Harry's level in terms of his emotional state of mind. This is also what brings up his Hang-Ups about treating hairy as though he is James. Like I said, I absolutely agree that we don't see the best side of Sirius in this portion of the book, and I can absolutely understand why it would somewhat shatter that image of the protective Godfather that we have seen from him up to this point. But it also does a lot in terms of humanizing him and by pointing out his faults, it actually highlights one of the main lessons that Harry must learn, which is that the adults who have been protecting him are themselves people with their own problems and faults and feelings and Harry must learn to accept that. I feel that this is something that every kid goes through at some point and that every adult must learn to deal with. I can see why people were conflicted about this, but I feel that the importance of it cannot be overstated
I like this idea a lot!! However, it could've been done in the fourth book to show a change in the adults in the mid-point of the series and keep his role as godfather closer to his death. Adults are already deconstructed with the ministry, dumbledore, snape, lupin and many other characters. JK successfully created deeply complex characters, however we all fall into our given/taken roles every now and again, I think it would've benefited the story for sirius to do so one last time.
Yes, and I feel that he doesn't really acknowledge just how harsh Sirius' life has been. He got locked away in Azkaban when he was about 19 or 20. Since then, he's been imprisoned for 12 years - almost half his life. He's been with dentors bringing him down, or trying to, every single day. When he finally escapes, he goes straight to Peter for revenge. Failing that, he goes into hiding for one year. Just one year to move about the world with any degree of freedom, to do his best to try what he wants, Eat what he wants, regain some kind of control, and to develop a relationship with Harry. Then it's all ripped away from him and he's basically forced to be locked up in his deeply hated childhood house again. I feel like it's very understandable that he's in a bad mood when Harry shows up to see him there, and that he grows more and more restless throughout the year
Here's another example of how much Sirius cares about Harry, at the end of the Prisoner of Azkaban, he told Harry in a letter that let himself be seen in public miles and miles away from Hogwarts so the Ministry would remove the dementors from the school.
One thing that always confused me about Hermione leaving clothes around the commonroom hoping the elves would pick them up is that the elves aren't hers? Like how can she give clothes to house elves that aren't sworn to her in order to free them? Wouldn't Dumbeldore have to give them clothes to free them? Since they work for the school then I'd imagine they technically work for him or be employed by him.
Saying that the elves like working and it’s ok to treat them like that is exactly the same as saying that child labour in sweatshops is ok because they like the fact they’re getting paid. No, it’s morally wrong
The only part of OoTP I didn't like included was the Harry/Cho relationship! What would have been better was Harry realising his feelings for Ginny and maybe even the beginnings of their relationship and have it strengthen over Half Blood Prince! Also, I love how long it is! I was actually disappointed to see 6 and 7 weren't as long as number 4, let alone number 5! Having said that, my favourites range in reverse reading order: from 7 down to 1!
Whenever you explain things, it feels you're correct. However, I watched the movies first, so when I read the book, it felt more detailed than the movie. As you mentioned, everyone has a different opinion.
Me: it's a alright book
Movie Flame: its not my favorite
Me: it's not my favorite
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Same
Lol
Same here
OOf reality is Just.
"I don't like the "Weasley is our king" song"
Draco: Wait until my father hears about this!
I like the Gryffindor version of Weasley is Our King. The Slytherin version is cruel.
@@claireakaforestgreenorgang9506 The Gryffindor version was a nice comeback
Omg i loved that song haha
So true
Me too
MovieFlame: Order of the Phoenix is my least favorite book.
Cho: *starts crying*
Say what you will about how Movie Cho was portrayed, because at least Movie Cho could keep it together and not cry every scene she was in.
Lol
Good one.
@@donparker6679 I had a huge crush on book 4 Cho, so I had no complaints when they made movie Cho in the 5th movie more cool lol
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Morgan:"The Order of the Phoenix is the worst Harry Potter book."
The Cursed Child:"HI SISTERS-"
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ITS NOT A HARRY POTTER BOOK
Hold my Beer says Cursed Child
@@yrbigfan oof
and daniel loved this so much its actually his fave
I don’t blame Harry for beating the shit out of Malfoy, if you don’t want to get your ass beat don’t insult someone’s dead mom. 🤷🏻♂️
Malfoy deserved it lmao
i get ur point that u dont blame harry nad that maybe malfoy even deserved it but im gonna sude wuth morgan, its out of character for harry to beat someone up so brutally so to bruise his own knuckles
He had it coming for some time and it was pretty satisfying
He also trashed Molly Weasley which is why Fred joined Harry and they ganged up on Malfoy. George would have joined the 2 and make it a 3v1 if not all 3 chasers hold him back. Wich shows you hiw angry they gotten with Malfoy, it needed 3 girls to keep George from joining the fight. Everyone so that so George also got banned from Quidditch by Umbridge like Fred and Harry
Yeah it was definitely deserved bullies need asswhoopings sometimes and he trashed Harry’s dead mom AND his surrogate mom and caught harry at a bad time
Just a friendly reminder that “worst” doesn’t necessarily mean bad
EXACTLY!! all books are good indeed they just have to be in order y'all hahahaha (lets just pretend cursed child never happened)
Worst book out of best series is still pretty fuckin good
Yes, "worst" is comparative, and "bad" is absolutetive.
@Saurabh Wadhwani exactly
That isn't the case for this book
Sirius in 1994:"I hate my life. I can't go outside"
Me in July 2020:"I hate my life. I can't go outside"
Chris Chacko, well, it was in 1995-1996
+he spent that time in one house with a horcrux
@@adamtoke3702 I never thought about that, the horcrux, it's what made him more annoyed, if you think that way then the filmmakers ruined it by making him look good and understandable.
2021 Aaaaaannnnnd we're STTTIIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLL HHHHEEEEEEERRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEE!
@@merlinsbeard9746 The locket only affects people who wear it, and as far as I'm concerned he didn't wear it. I just assumed he was so annoyed because he had to live in his family house.
I have to say I love the part where petunia slips up and explains about the dementors and when Harry explains to them that Voldemort is back. The way it is explained that petunia looked at Harry with fear not hatred always makes me look at them differently.
Wasn't even in the the movies should have been though
I love their arc in the books , it's amazing
Agreed. I loved that chapter. It was powerful.
That should have been in the movie, and then Petunias baggage about Lilly
It makes you realize just how interested and fascinated Petunia was with the wizarding world. She was just feigning hatred and indifference towards it because she wasnt gifted with magic
I loved all those little details in the department of mystery and how they split up cause that's so realistic.
Exactly, I love how they split up, first there are 6 of them, then 3, and then just Neville and Harry. It builds so much suspense for me.
Jalalodin Salehi when Ron kept giggling😂
Good point, but it's dragged out sooo long so... i like it, but it's not my favorite
@@EatthePizzaa you sound like the dude who directed the goblet of fire
@@akhazane6922 lol yeah
Harry and Cho's relationship: *Better in the movies than the books*
Harry and Ginny's relationship: *Better in the books than the movies*
they just pulled the biggest uno reverse card
@@urfellowidiot4538 fax
*Perfectly balanced.*
i totally agree
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Harry: Hi
Cho: hi
Harry: how are you
Cho: CEDRIC SAID THAT
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Harry: I’m sorry
Cho: At least the weather is good
Me: Dying from cringe
Jenna Lenn999 you are so right
@Jenna Lenn999 Thank you, finally someone says something!
@Jenna Lenn999 You definitely make a good point, but Cho was seriously all over the place, and it wasn't fair to Harry to have to try and navigate all that. He made a good choice by calling off the relationship. Having a loved one murdered would definitely give people everlasting PTSD, but I think that The Order of the Phoenix would've been a better story as a whole if Cho's character was written a little different, possibly with less mood swings?
Wikiwiki109 so true
@Jenna Lenn999 I meant that they would still have some of mood swings to get the point across to fans that she was distraught, but not AS many
One of my fav parts in the movie, is when Sirius accidentally calls Harry James. It shows what everyone around them has been thinking, that he never truly got over the loss of his friend and saw Harry as somewhat of a replacement.
Maybe that's part of why he loves Harry so much.
I teared up
Oh, I thought he was calling Harry by his middle name
While I understand that, I don't like it cause to me, it feels that he doesn't see Harry as his own person and just a stand-in for James
Personally I would say order of the Phoenix was my favorite, I always felt like the first 4 books felt like 4 separate stories and the last three felt like one story told in three parts, when i read the order of the Phoenix it was the first book, not just in the series, but the first book in my life that I was disappointed to finish, because I really just wanted to keep reading but had to wait 2 years for the next one.
I agree
I agreee!
@Hp Hannah I mean there is always cursed child but we don’t say that name in this household
@@walterwhite3790 WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?
@@Wishuk112 I thought it was okay to say the name of the book that shall not be named
"My least favourite Harry Potter book ".
The cursed child:😈.
Edit: yes i hate it but im not hating on someone If they like it :)
Cursed child? Don't know her.
What’s cursed child
I never heard about a "Harry Potter " named cursed child
I once read cursed child and it was a horrible experience and I have no clue by what you mean Harry Potter book lol
Cursed Child is just fanfiction.
Honestly with the Order of the Phoenix book I couldn't stop reading.
Only the start and end are good
I've only read this one once. Somehow in under two weeks and it hurt to put it down, apart from the department of mysteries bit. That went on and on and on😂
I got through it in 3 days during isolation but it still felt like a slog ( ano 3 days is nothing but with all the rest I got through in 2 minus goblet which was 3)
Me with every book except the first and second
I read it 4 times
The only thing I disliked about Harry and George beating Malfoy to a pulp was that it stopped.
yeah
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@@warrioremperor6320 bruh
@@warrioremperor6320 .
@@warrioremperor6320 sounds funny coming from a guy named 'Warrior Emperor'
Oooo this looks fun. Some thoughts:
OOTP is my favorite of the books for sure, but it did take 3 reads before it entered my #1 ranking. I still enjoyed it during initial reads, but the middle chunk is quite slow. To its credit though, the sheer amount of detail in the book helped me get invested in the characters and universe more than ever. And, I appreciated said details and depth more on 2nd and 3rd reads, even if pacing tanks a bit in the middle chunk; late 20s. But the plot drag in the story at points is totally understandable.
The Weasly is our King part is actually one of my favorite parts of the books, because Ron rises to the occasion and grows through that terrible experience. Ron's resilience and patience through that ordeal really made me appreciate his character, and that plot line cause me to love Ron more than ever.
The Cho Chang point I totally agree with though lol. Her character has not aged well.
I still need to marinade on the other points, but despite it being my favorite book I can see what you mean concerning OOTP's different issues. I seriously love OOTP even still and it is the HP book I have re-read the most.
Its my 3rd favorite after Deathly Hallows and Half blood.
Yes it's my fave book too!❣️
Agreed. I have re-read Ootp the most! Followed by GoF and PoA.
I would disagree on Ron's patience. He's not patient out of himself but is forced to. He wants to resign but Aneglina won't let him. Still, Ron's triumph at the end of it is great, of course. :)
I actually like it a lot and I’d rate it either 3 or 4 on any given Sunday. I remember reading it the first time and actually being hungry for the level of detail that Rowling provided. However, I can see why this reviewer has it ranked so low. Sometimes the cinematic and book versions blend together for me and I can’t separate the two to accurately rate it.
I don't like Harry's relationship with Cho because she isn't the right person for him, BUT I don't blame her for her crying It's PTSD, honestly. Just because she processes it through grief rather than anger like Harry does, it doesn't mean it's bad. That and the fact that Voldemort is looming over the whole thing, of course.
I agree that Cho and her grief aren't necessarily bad, it's more how she pretty much takes it out on Harry that I find infuriating. She lost her boyfriend, but Harry was the one who had to watch him die and then get tortured by Voldemort and Death Eaters. Of course he doesn't want to talk about it.
Please, it's not like she was Cedric's wife. They went to a dance together and dated for some months (4-5?). That's about it. She shouldn't feel that broken-hearted.
Nahuel think you’re underestimating just how fast some people form deep attachments.
@@NawiTheCore You sound like you'd make an amazing partner.
PTSD, Anxiety, Crippling Depression there is no lesson, can you kill me?
I have to admit his actual death in the book saddened me more in later life as there was a chance he could have survived that blast if he wasn't standing in front of the veil
Even if Sirius had a way smaller role in the movies (sadly), his death still saddened me the most.
Because the relationship between Harry and Sirius in the movies was sooo good ! Movie Harry and Movie Sirius really had the best chemistry.
That's the reason why I hate the scene in Dumbeldores office in the movie.
He wouldn't because she used the killing curse
@@ronan1686
No, that was only in the movie !
In the *book* ,the curse that hits Sirius is not identified and his being knocked through the Veil is what causes his *death*
Harry in the books needed several minutes till he understood that Sirius was dead, I think that's the reason why they choose the killing curse in the movie. To make it more obviously that Sirius was dead..
@potterhead it was a red curse
@@seancaptain9361 what does that mean, what do the colors mean
Although it’s not Harry being controlled by Voldemort’s anger when he assaults Draco, the amount of stress and trauma that Harry has been through at this point with no real help, which often causes intense mood swings which is what I would characterize Harry’s attack as
Yes, he felt lonely. Everyone was telling him to do this to do that but not saying the reason why. Ron and Hermione too didn't say anything. So in Harry's point of view everyone was hiding things from Harry and was not telling him anything. He felt isolated...
I actually loved when Harry and the twins beat up Draco. He had it coming for so long
They paid for it though .. unfortunately
I’m finding this Morgan guy’s opinions of criticism are trash.
@@stev6963 then don't watch his videos. Nobody's forcing to watch so either learn how to handle someone else's opinion or don't watch the video.
@@ilqar887 Yes but that was the point of the whole book, not to lose your temper or let emotions get you into trouble and the whole point of the occlumency lessons with snape.
Only Harry & George beat up Malfoy. Fred was being held back by Angelina, Alicia & Katie
*Neville can see thestrals*
Cho : *wails in the background why she couldn’t see Cedric die*
😂
Neville can’t see thestrals - his parents didn’t die, just torture to insanity
@@vinatha09 and Grandpa
@@marklethesparkle3493yes he can he saw his grandpa die
@@vere4086 yea sorry, I figured that out I just forgot
Movie flame: ‘I liked it the least-‘
Rita skeeter:(dramatic gasp)-my my..*aggressively writes that down*
Lol
Lol
Me : Shut the fuck up Rita
ootp is my favorite book because i love the emotion in it. everytime i read "umbridge" i got nervous. i could feel harry's pain throughout the book, especially when he locked himself in the room with buckbeak. my favorite part was harry's conversation with dumbledore. i loved how calm dumbledore was while harry threw his things and how it made harry even angrier.
Yes omg. It was so emotional and so good. I know it was long but that was my favorite part about it, the way that while reading you could feel Harry’s emotions was just amazing
that would of been a great scene.
This is true. When I was reading the book, Harry's emotions was hurting we so much. His trauma was brutal 😢 My heart was broken when Sirius was killed and Harry was shattered. It was so good when Harry was finally raging about what Dumbledore have done. I was feeling so much furious because of Albus. I have kinda really hated him after this 😭😂😂
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@@Babidi111 It would have been, if they hadn't already sort of messed up Dumbledore's character in the movie's. Dumbledore had long since lost his "always calm" cahracter that he had in the books, especially since Goblet of Fire, so the scene honestly wouldn't have really had the same effect anymore even if they had kept it.
The Order of the Phoenix is actually my favourite mostly because it's so long and has so much details haha Everytime I'm so happy to throw myself into it because I know it's so long and I can fully immerge myself into the universe !
Exactly, there was bunch of details which were missing for me in the Half-blood Prince.
There is no problem with that
Same, but i have another reason and its that this is the most important book in the series cuz serius dies so harry wants revenge and also harry learns more about voldemort, the prophecy, the order and the ministry etc
The Order of the Phoenix is my favorite, too!
it shows a lot of quidditch hogwarts umbridge fudge the ministry percy harry hermione ron ginny neville lunas friendship
Fred and George: That's Rubbish!
A moment of respect for the twins
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It's spelled "rubbish".
ChristinCe no one cares :/
Lol I see what ya did there.
U said that hogwarts takes 10.5 chapters to be introduced in this book but in goblet of fire it took 11 chapters to get the hogwarts express
I love the order of the Phoenix but in goblet of fire they had the quidditch world cup
While the Goblet of Fire took longer to get to Hogwarts, it did much better with what it had. You get a small glimpse of Voldemorts backstory, the best Dursley visit, the Quiditch World Cup, etc. Now, compare that to Order of the Phoenix, where we..., clean a house?
we kindof needed weasly coming, the quidditch cup, the dark mark, the death eater attact it was all great
@@vikkran401 ikr
But we hard the Quidditch World Cup and the appearance of the Dark Mark and Death Eaters as well as that opening chapter with Voldemort and Wormtail. It builds tensions and sets up the ending and we get to see an international wizarding tournament. Plus, Harry isn’t yelling every 10 lines
With Sirius’ character, he had been able to roam free since prisoner of Azkaban and now he had to stay cooped up in a house he hated and most of the time didn’t have any company except for kreacher. You can see how happy he was when Harry and the weasleys stayed for Christmas.
Agreed
Yes. I swear. There it was just his second prison. Only that time it was better for him.
After quarantine, I understand how extended isolation and not leaving the house effects people. It gets into your head and makes you not quite right. Sirius was being sent straight back to Azkaban while being trapped in that house. Can you _really_ blame him for not being happy about things?
He's also never been the most well-adjusted person to begin with- he's the least mature Marauder after Wormtail, and tried to KILL Snape when he was a student as a prank; the risks he took to support Harry or get Harry gifts in the previous books could easily be attributed to his reckless disposition, loneliness and trauma as much as caring for a godson he's never met etc
I always read Sirius as a tragic, impulsive and emotionally stunted character owing to his false imprisonment and the loss of so many close friends, as well as his lousy childhood and his tempermental and contrarian nature- frankly, even if Lily's Blood Protection spell was not a factor, I STILL wouldn't want Harry and Sirius to be living together, because to be frank Sirius is too unstable and needs many, many years of serious therapy before he can be trusted with looking after a kid, especially one he might be emotionally confusing with his long dead childhood friend. It would probably be a dysfunctional arrangement where Sirius keeps wanted Harry to go on adventures with him, and Harry gets disturbed by his treatment of Kreacher (and vice-verse) and Sirius having random outbursts and breakdowns- in other words, it wouldn't be as fun as either of them imagined it to be.
That's true, but hoping that Harry would be expelled was so out of character
I personally think it was great that Harry and Fred beat the hell out of Malfoy.
In real life you can’t expect someone to bully you for seven years straight because that’s exactly what would have happened.
Whenever someone bully’s me I do what Harry did and beat the living hell out of them.
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@@karao76 exactly
I think it’s just built up emotion that he’s been trying his best to hide for so many years and all the pain and suffering he has had to go through comes back to haunt him and he just loses it.
Wasn’t it George?????
*george :)
Haha, I have the opposite reaction to OotP. It's my favorite and always has been.
I love how it meanders and lingers on details as oppose to rushing from action to action. The ending in the book is a thousand times better than the movie for me. The movie version feels so vanilla in comparison. The fact that it's taking so long, in what's supposed to be a race against time, adds an undercurrent of suspense. You can feel how stressed Harry is, how desperate. The fact that the six are split up makes for a lot of tension because you don't KNOW what's happening to them or if they're okay. Sort of horror-movie style your mind comes up with worst case scenarios. And Harry being alone makes the situation more dire in the books.
Neville, Luna and Ginny's moments are also so, so great. Up until that point, we knew how badass Ron and Hermione are. But this was the first time we really saw the other three really shine. Harry even thinks to himself, before they take off, that they would be his last picks from the DA for a mission like this. He really eats those words.
While HBP (book and movie) are super low on the list, maybe even least favorite. Funnily enough the relationship bullshit in HBP is more difficult for me, because it's so dumb. Cho at least has reason to be emotionally confused, as oppose to Ginny's other love interests. Ron, Lavender and Hermione's love triangle is sooo boring because I hate love triangles. Though I like Harry and Ginny in that book a lot.
The OotP movie is among my least favorite of the movies, because they cut so much. 😂
However, I agree 💯% with you on Sirius. He's much better in the movie. Love your video essays.
Wow. Spoken my heart out....
Yes, i quite enjoyed the cleaning chapters 😄 but then again i love world building and that really added to the every day life of the witches and wizards
Same
100% agreed. the book was my favorite in the series but the movie was my least favorite.
I feel exactly the same! It’s like you read my mind!
The fifth book is my favourite. I'm going to hate watching this vid. But I'm going to watch it anyway. Because you're cool. But the fifth book is still the best !
Same it's my favorite, despite I knowing it's not the best one.
Dude. Exactly the same here.
Yes!
Agreed. I love the world-building and the extensive charachter development in this book.
I love it 💖
With the Harry punching Malfoy part, while I agree that it was out of character, I think Rowling did this deliberately to show how Harry's circumstances are affecting him and changing him. Think about it, he has severe ptsd from seeing his friend die and the evillest wizard who ever lived come back to life, his mentor Dumbledore is ignoring him, he's having dreams that he doesn't understand and a lot more. So I think because of how stressed he was during this book, him acting up more than what he usually does makes sense. Just my thoughts though
I feel like the only reason Sirius is like this in the book is that he was tired of being cooped up in the house with no hope of helping the order or protecting Harry from harm. Being stuck in the same place for so long knowing that you can't do anything to help or protect your loved ones probably took a toll on him. Also, the house he lives in probably reminds him of the painful memories he had as a kid growing up with a pureblood obsessed family ( and the family tree), so that could probably explain his behavior in the book.
Still... We could have had a mix of how frustrated he felt (book) and how loving he was toward Harry (movie)
Harry and Sirius have also met many times between book 3 and 5. in the movies it's the first time.
If he had been tender to harry while being generally upset while not interacting with him it would've added to his character
If only JK had explored that a little bit more, and given Sirius and Harry more scenes
Not only that, it was also an important plot point. The Sirius fought the battle of the department of mysteries to rescue Harry was because, well, he wanted to be in action and duel.
Hagrid: You’re a wizard Harry
Harry: i’m a what?
Cho - *starts crying*
i don’t know why but that dead me 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Overall, I like how OOTP sets up out-of-character actions because I thought the self-contradictions developed some characters more.
Hermione has been shown to be more inconvenient than helpful when she’s driven on something. The burnt-out conclusion of SPEW I thought was a funny way of showing how yet again her eager attitude can be annoying.
Cho I thought had a truthful inner-self revealed, like Sirius but to a lesser degree. I was interested in seeing how the bright, charming girl at school can quickly become moody and pitiful when undergoing life pressure.
I also enjoyed that she and Harry were able to connect as their worlds were transitioning into ‘darker times.’ Even if the relationship was pointless, people tend to seek intimacy during rough times.
Harry has shown a tendency to be isolated and cold when he’s emotional-a habit developed growing up under the stairs. But his inner rage/violence is definitely something unlike him to act on. OOTP is known to be the turning point though. And I think it’s the heightened emotions and repressed anger that cause him to lash out on Draco in both OOTP and Half-Blood Prince. The desired effect of the scary fight can be to show the true “darkness” that resides in Harry, how someone honorable and loving can become brash and harmful.
my reading of this book completely changed when i read it through the lens of trauma. arguably, the theme of this book is that trauma can dramatically change our relationships, emotions, and reactions even if everything is technically “the same”. cho, harry, and sirius react to things differently now because they’re having a trauma response, and as an adult i think i can appreciate that as an element of their development (it’s actually a good thing for a character to respond to things that have happened as opposed to staying static throughout, even if that change is to be more aggressive or more selfish. it shows that the world has stakes!) when i was a kid i found this book super boring and frustrating, but now i appreciate it differently. :)
that's a really interesting take. i love your analogy of how trauma responses show that there are things at stake. will definitely have to read the book at some point.
Absolutely! Sirius and Harry acting out of character is a result of that trauma 100% and neither one of them knew how to deal or talk about it. AND both of their environments were super toxic. Sirius in the Black household and Harry at school with Umbridge and Snape. 😪
Hard to read because everything is just so bleak.
exactly what I came to comment
i agree w this
You made me feel like i need to read that book again
I didn't remember Sirius was portrayed that depressed. If that was intended, I wish Rowling had built on it more, or at least make it more explicit. Could have been such a devastating but truthful story of mental health issues.
actually I thought it was a brilliant and subtle way to show depression. To a spectator, it seems so hard to understand and the behaviour seems irrational and difficult to understand. It took Harry whole summer to actually understand what happened to Sirius, to draw the conclusion of how Sirius felt and hence blame Snape for edging Sirius to the point where he didn't care. Throughout the book, Harry ignored all inclinations to Sirius's behaviour, even when he was warned by Hermoine and Molly. Denial, you may say, that's how everyone ignores depression and signs they see. But we also saw some PTSD signs in Harry, very vividly. His frustration, nightmares and recklessness made me sick, I always felt he needed therapy. But I felt it was subdued in The half-blood Prince, maybe because Dumbledore was there with him that now he knew the responsibility he had.
Anushree s i agree, the house is a personification of Sirius, he’s forced to live inside himself, and at the moment he is hating his situation and himself, just like the “house” hates it situation and itself. Imagine having to constantly face the worst part of you daily and never able to leave. I’ve always taken it as sometimes situation is and can be detrimental to someone’s mental health. I think this is then kind of what helps push Harry to where he is, he has to feel absolutely alone here even when he is not. Sirius (father figure) is treating Harry shitty but wants him to know things to suck him into it an away from Hogwarts, and Molly (mother figure) is treating Harry the best of anyone, but wants to keep him in the dark to force him out and to Hogwarts. I liked that part.
@@anushrees4981 thanks so much for your responses, now I can find a lot more value in that story! I do still wish it was made more explicit so I could have realised some of it earlier.
@@claytonwyatt564 very interesting thoughts as well, I find a lot of value in this interpretation.
Selko Kieli I get making it more explicit but if you think the age range of people reading the book, and the stigma of mental health back then was I think getting too straight forward would have been a turn off to many.
MovieFlame: Order of the Phoenix is the worst book
Cursed Child: Hold my beer
(I in no way consider the Cursed Child canon in case you think I do)
Cursed Child: Hold my time turner
If you consider it part of the story
Technically it’s not part of them. But I guess it still counts
Cursed child: Hold my non-existent Fans
Cursed child is fanon discontinuity
The "insignificant details" are fun for me to read. I like dragging stories.
So you'll love Lord Of The Rings lol
@@agnomenamedgrimblegromble3735 lord of the rings book is fast paced what u mean?
@@pillowboy7995 Haha it's not even near to be fast paced, while The Hobbit has a wonderful flow and pacing, LOTR is this massive, epic story, Tolkien talked about every single tree they passed by in that story, lol
@@agnomenamedgrimblegromble3735 Yeah u right but two towers was definitely the most fast paced which is why it's my least favorite
@@agnomenamedgrimblegromble3735 lord of the rings isn't dragging though. It's amazing and drawn out. And it works.
One of the reasons I appreciate this book, is the way the reader treats Sirius is how people tend to treat depressed people in real life. We think they are being selfish and should be happy when they are feeling isolated and alone. JK did a great job of portraying depression through Sirius
Great analysis, the problem is Sirius hasn’t got depression
I would if I lost my best friends ket the killer get away git put on prison woth barely any food dementirs torturing u making u relive worst memories anyone would be and then having to live in ur childhood abusive house again
@@ricky.t.1658 How do you know
My ranking has to be the weirdest ones:
Favourite Book: Half-Blood Prince (This book was so amazing. I can write a 750 word essay on why this is not only a great HP book, but this is masterful story writing on even higher levels.)
Worst Book: Chamber Of Secret (it didn't hold any stakes for me, I didn't care about anything that was happening in this book, but the Deathday party and Bassilisk battle was lit AF)
Favourite Movie: Chamber Of Secret (the cinematography, the accuracy to book, everything was FLAWLESS)
Least Favourite Movie: Half Blood Prince (The most terrible adaptation ever)
Agent Of Chaos You think Half Blood Prince was the worst book adaptation ever? I mean I didn’t like the movie either, it was boring. But try watching the Percy Jackson movies or Eragon. Those are much worse!
@@hobnob666 I am talking inside the Harry Potter franchise only, and yes Percy Jacksons were very shit, I haven't read any of them but I have to.
Lol i can totally agree on thr half blood prince book being the best and hbp movie being complete GARBAGE.
@@hobnob666 yeah percy jackson is shit in movies, they fucked that up big time
Aljan Donker Eragon got fucked up too. Yeah Half Blood Prince wasn’t good imo either but even that movie did some things right that Percy Jackson & Eragon didn’t even try on.
Order of the Phoenix is my least favorite book, but I can appreciate it for how well it portrayed Harry's growing PTSD due to the trauma he endured since book 1. Sirius's death still haunts me.
Sirius's death haunts me, too. But also all the bullies at Hogwarts (Umbitch & her Inquisitorial Squad), Harry's recurring nightmares, & Arthur getting attacked, all ruined the book for me. The Cho & Harry stuff was annoying, but not the reason I hate the book. I hate the book because of the violent parts.
It was because of this I didn't like. I felt it rushed through the development and healing of his PTSD and adolescence. He's been almost dead since book 1 and emotionally and physically abused since before the first book, he should have been showing signs of ptsd early on and we should have been exploring it from the jump and then SUDDENLY at 15 Harry's an adolescence? They all are suddenly? I wasn't happy it felt rushed and drawn out at the same time
@@Tru1Tani fair enough, and I agree with you. He's been through so much since book 1 it's a miracle he didn't snap earlier. I guess the growing hormones, return of Voldemort, and death of Cedric was the thing that finally broke the Hippogriff's back.
@@claireakaforestgreenorgang9506 considering the fact that Arthur was supposed to die certainly didn't help. Order of the Phoenix was a warning that no one was safe, everyone was on the chopping block.
Oh and yes, Cho and Harry's relationship was annoying. I feel like Cho was using Harry as an emotional crutch. Harry was going through his own baggage
Whoa, I just realized how many more pages added to this book due to translation. It is 1200 pages long in my native language lol.
What language is that?
Ninjamanhammer Indonesian
Mine is 100
Purple Doggo cap
@@Nightmare-xp5up really what is your language
I like Order Of The Phoenix because it is lengthy, making me live with these fictional characters a bit more... I like its unnecessary stuff, 🙂
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Same!
I love long stuff.
honestly, i think beating up draco (finally :D) was very realistic because of harry's emotional state, also the size of the department of mysteries and the fact that most of the dumbledore's army get injured and then split are also just realistic, much more than in the movies
yes, of course, the department only has prophecy and veil halls inside and 6 kids deal so well with 12 grown death eaters that they all come out uninjured, only luna has a tiny cut on her lip, very realistic, the movie destroyed these and more scenes imo
Klaudia Malinowska exactly I see this as realistic as well, and the whole point of the brains and baby face he complained about were to show why it’s called the department of mysteries- it’s completely wack
I agree with you on the issue with Harry hitting Draco. It's realistic. I mean, imagine. Your going through puberty and your summer has just gone to hell. And not to mention what things he already has to go through. And top that off with Draco bullying him for 5 years straight about his non-exsistent family, which already is a sore spot for him, of course he's going to be fed up and unfortunately this moment, he cracks.
She Sy EXACTLYYYYY 💯💯 plus this poor guy WITNESSES HIS FRIEND BEING MURDERED and then nO ONE FUCKING BELEIVES HIM like if Harry were me I’d have gotten pissed half way through book one
Completely agree. The book fight sequence at the end is way better. The movie version felt so vanilla by comparison.
@Fictional Subliminals I get what you're saying about Sirius' death even though I don't agree. In the book his death was kinda dubious, we don't know which spell Bellatrix casted so we don't know for sure if she killed him, all we know is that he fell in the veil and we don't really know what the veil is so there's this lingering hope that he may not be dead. Harry is so desperate and confused and even gets angry that Sirius' isn't coming out of the veil until he realizes Sirius never left him waiting and then it hits him so hard he rans after Bellatrix. I remember reading the book for the first time and just sobbing, thinking he can't de dead he can't de dead and wishing with Harry to hurt Bellatrix and frustrated that he couldn't. But this can't be shown in the movie so his death needed to be more obvious, is was visually well made and a good adaptation but not having this hope that he was alive took some of the impact for me. What I think was really powerful in the movie was that added line "nice one James", damn that was sad.
Last time I was this early, Umbitch was getting sorted in Slytherin.
Siriusly Black Umbitch
I love that name!
Siriusly Black did you mean to say umbitch as she is a b** or by accident
I just hate this book because of that BITCH I just fucking hate her The person who played her in the movie did a great job on that part😂
Lol
Lol
“specifically, my favorite book: ‘the half blood prince’”
*ah, a man of taste*
that is my fav book too
@@lauraleighpennington5342 same
Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well
Same
I like it cuz of ma queen
*L U N A*
Honestly I think Harry beating Malfoy hard in the book would have fitted in the movie very well, since in the movie you have a lot of scenes with Harry acting like Voldemort and the struggle of Harry thinking he is turning bad, this fight, framed and edited properly with flashes of Voldemort in between punches, the music getting sinister and people around him reacting, make Malfoy look more sympathetic after seeing Harry go too far and even Harry scared of what he did himself, would be a very powerful scene.
That is a really good idea
now that would make things interesting
Harry is really gary stu'd down as the series progresses. The angst, even from Order of the Phoenix, isn't nearly close to the level it is in the book. He's not as sassy and moody in the films.
Very interesting point of view, especially the part with Sirius. I know the book feels boring and long but it was necessary. Harry had to go through a bad relationship to be more mature for Ginny. Ginny had to developed her confidence and power to be with harry. Also, i loved the scene with Malfoy because it showed that Harry sometimes acts like a normal teenager, of course he can get angry and of course Malfoy deserved a few more. Finally, this book changed the tone of the series, with the prophecy and the death of Sirius.
Yes!!! Totally agree
He was also challenged in ways he'd never been before...
And, I'd have a vault-full at Gringotts if I had a galleon for every time that Hermione explained you couldn't Disapparate in Hogwart's grounds.
Or every time she mentioned _Hogwarts: A History_
I think everyone here is insane it's easily my favorite book I think Harry gets the best character development with him being imperfect and letting his mistreatment affect his mood for once.
And the fact that now for once the actual Ministry of magic is the enemy this time makes the threat really close to home compared to before where it was just Voldemort each time.
100% this. It was my favorite book of the series as well.
I get it. This book had the best character development. But you need to know the audience of this book are kids, or early teenagers, who by the way, have a low attention span.
The plot was good and subtle but it was nothing mind-blowing, or something that kids or early teens find stimulating: like horcruxes
@@heyytheree its completely a children's book, with some dark moments, but yeah, the series was targeted towards kids. An adult might not enjoy Harry Potter as much as an 11 year old would.
@@nothingmuch1039e9 nah. Once Voldemort returns, its a teenage book and can be enjoyed by adults. The series is far to complex for kids to fully underrated
@@heyytheree yeah. Once you get older, you see a lot more meanings in the books
I feel like the cho chang arc is pretty funny. it feels like a relatable failed high school romance where you think someone's great from a distance but then you hang out and everything is just a lot more awkward than you imagined. i also personally like that harry ends up alone at the end of the book though I get your argument about unity with his friends. the reason i appreciate him fighting alone though is because I feel like overall harry's skills as a wizard are generally pretty underestimated. this is the first time when all of his friends are with him but they don't make it as far as him and it just really exemplifies to me harry's above average skills in defense against the dark arts.
Can we just take a moment to honor his work he puts so much effort in his videos
Last time I was early, we were all trash talking GOF and "He said calmly"
now it's "he said grimly"
@@minatoaudiph7883 They changed it? lol
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Me: WHAT?!
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...rite *BOOK* ; Harry Potter Explained.
Me: Oh phew.
Books are the canon, so technically he did say OOTP is the worst ;)
????
But I disagree with him, OOTP is my second favourite book
@@darthmortem585 Books are Canon, movies aren't.
@@YouKnowWhosBack I know. Did you even read my reply?
Well now in retrospect I understand Sirius’ frustration lol
Now imagine having to live where you were abused after being in jail for 12 years for a crime you didn't commit with a servant that hates you... Padfoot suffered big time... :/
I recommend you to watch Trope Anatomy’s video : “Grief: Defending caps lock Harry” it’s really good and makes you see a new light on this book
Yea
That’s just been recommend to me 😂
I know you commented this 9 months ago but that video made me do a complete 180 on how I saw this book.
I'm going to watch that next on your recommendation.
OOTP is my second favourite book after HBP because I love how we get all the good characters like Remus,Sirius,Tonks,LUNA,Kingsly ect. It is a very sad book though because of how Harry is feeling which is why HBP is a slightly better read for me, because there a aspects to it like harry not being in the dark anymore and Ginny making him happy. It also goes through Harry's grieving process without making it completely miserable, such as when Harry doesn't want to talk about Sirius or hear his name.
dude you're forgetting that harry and his friends were literally teenagers in this book. being a teenager makes you take a lot of dumb decision.
Ah, of course, perfect excuse for lazy writers!
I love this book because it explores Harry’s PTSD
Me as Harry in my OWL year first DADA class
Me: Lord Voldemort killed Cedric Diggory!
Umbridge: Cedric Diggory’s death was a tragic accident!
Me: wOmaN wHy yOu tAlkInG bAcK tO yOuR oWn bIrTh!
EDIT; Tysm for the likes!
True though
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Legend says umbridge is still sizzling from this Burn.
😂🤣😆
Yeah no. Anyone giving birth to Uxbridge can't have been accidental. Someone caused this by dark magic.
I don't know why, but I loved all these details. It really helped me to understand all the characters and how they are. But, I can relate to feeling that, sometimes, the characters didn't feel like themselves
I agree with all of what you said except for the fight that Harry and Draco had I would have done the same thing cuz if I lost my mom and dad it would be a very touchy subject and I would get very mad if someone who I hate started making fun of them
Last year my dad died and I to,d my friend in my lesson, and the boys behind me started laughing. J started silently crying g and they just laughed harder. I never hated anyone more in my life
@@makemyearfquake I’m sorry ☹️
@@makemyearfquake Sorry for your loss... Don't let a bunch of assholes get to you. Very insensitive of them.
I mean, yeah, but there were lots of comments made like this before, and Harry didn't seem to care too much, or at least let them bother him.
true and harry had so much anger that year and not to mention fame a lot more fame
16-year-old Harry throwing a tantrum in Dumbly’s office is everything to me.
True😂. Harry was the guy who complains a lot that he hates being famous but becomes jealous and pissed when the attention was not on him. And he was kind of a jerk and worst friend in this book and way over his head.
@chethansreddy5324 excuse me, what? The whole point of the tantrum scene is that Harry is grieving. He lost the only person he has ever been able to consider family literally that same day, and you're calling his anger attention-seeking behavior? Have you read these books? He was mad because Sirius died. Even though Harry had only known him for 2 years at this point, he had already grown to accept him as a father figure. The poor boy basically just saw his dad murdered in front of him. This is not attention-seeking. This is pure grieving rage. This scene is one of the most emotional in the book (I think, been a while since I read them). It is a downright shame it didn't make it into the movie. This is one thing I think the book did amazingly that the movie could not quite capture.
@@chethansreddy5324fr I was annoyed with Harry in this book
I honestly really like how the book was written mainly because of caps lock harry. I feel like the slow pace really helps you see how he overcomes the stages of grief. It's the first book where we really see harry as a deeper character and understand his emotions. I hate hate how they portrayed Sirius though.
It's like the middle book where harry isn't a kid but he's also not a grownup who can know everything. It's also the book where Voldemort actually appears properly and where the connection between them gets more pronounced. I just think that after Cedric died some people believed him and some people didn't. It was the start of the chosen one business as the sixth book he literally is the chosen one. And beforehand he has his own problems but it's not that bad if that makes sense. So yes I agree with you how he's just a deeper character and he's like on the turning point of his life.
Sirius is protrayed correctly. Somone who needs action and friendship
@@abdirahmanidris290 yup and someone who is critically depressed and isolated. Way better than just making him some cheery god father
@@leivaandre yeah. Sirius was very likeable in the books but he was almost too happy in Order of the Phoneix movie when he was actually shut up in the house he hated
I actually agree with you the 5th book just didn’t appeal to me it was way too long and dragged certain parts out too far.
Lava Guy same
Yeah and it's a pity, because this book has also some of the best ideas in HP story. Whole plot of Dumbledore Army was really good to read, their growth, the way Harry was enjoying all of this, scenes with Molly's boggart and Neville's parents in St. Mungo were devastating, Umbridge was brilliant villain, introducton of Luna to the story is just prfect, Department of Mysteries is good idea, I love Fred and George departure and this whole trolling and bullying Umbridge from all of students. But it all is somewhere lost, because of bad pacing. Too much of unneccessary plots.
it's funny because i remember reading somewhere that jkrowling finished writing the OoTP book then realised she left a huge hole in the plot so she had to go back and add more stuff. i think this could be why it's long because she might've added unnecessary bits she felt was needed for the plot. but obviously not many people like the book in the end 🤷🏻♀️
I think Umbridge is the main reason for the fifth book being the worst.
Exactly!!
Him: it’s my least favorite
Me: it was my fav dude
me too
Same
11:30 Although SPEW was so stupid, I like that it gave hermione a major flaw that made her seem less perfect. She was blinded by her vision and would not listen to Ron or Harry even thought they were always right.
Possibly the reason S.P.E.W. was invented. To show that all of us have a flaw.
She has a lot of flaws, but this was one of the more obvious so i actually agree
How is that a flaw?
@@SidPil because she tried to free house-elves. Most of them, were already happy at Hogwarts when Helga Hufflepuff employed them and probably saved them somehow from sth. Hermione thought this wasn't enough and wanted them to have freedom and rights. I do agree with them deserving rights(yeah, Lucius, looking at you, your family, the Blacks and all you other annoying pure-bloods who mistreat your house-elves), but most elves didn't need freedom as they somehow felt free.
I think the core issue with house elves is that if they really wanted to work for the wizards, they wouldn't need to be enslaved. And that's exactly what they are, slaves.
If the elves want to work for you, free them and let them do it of their own choice under conditions that they agree with. It's absurd to suggest that a house elf couldn't do work unless they were enslaved.
While I didn't like the Cho and Harry relationship, I think it is pretty realistic as Cho is struggling with grief and Harry has some form of post traumatic stress - both of them are not in a great headspace for dating and the messy awkward back and forth relationship made sense to me.
It reminds me of those grade 7 relationships, where you're dating but you don't really talk to eachother
i forgot about this account until now and he is still doing harry potter
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Nice one
Movieflame: trashes the order of the phoenix
End of the video
Movieflame: overall, I love this book
Me: sUrE
Tracey Kerr worse doesn’t mean extremely bad. I love the book but out of the 7 it is the worst
the reason of the cold part to why I don't like the book is because Umbridge
Worst doesn't mean bad. It's just the least fav of the series. And people have their own opinions...
Order of the Phoenix was actually my *most* favorite Harry Potter book. I absolutely loved it!!
I can't believed you just forgot to point how dumbledore was badass in this book
Literally one of my favorite books 😅
Love OOTP and HBP ...and number one will always be POA ♥️
Laura Smith what the frick is OOTP, HBP, and POA?
Conner Gaming order of the Phoenix, halfblood Prince and Prisoner of Azkaban 🤷♀️😅
It's my favorite actually
The least favorite of mine is The Half Blood Prince
Cuz the book was very small and the Teenage romance and Harry's Sudden childishness was quite jarring after the amount of character growth in Order of the Phoenix
It was soon fixed afterwards
Just Opinion
Conner Gaming use your brain
Same.
Just an opinion but I like the beefyness and the “unnecessary details” - just an opinion
Ugh. I hate it. It drags the book down. Honestly
I respect your opinion is very different to mine but I love this book and I’m gonna say why I disagree:
firstly I think the fact sirius acts ‘differently’ (which I don’t 100% agree on) is because he’s stuck in a house he literally ran away from. he’s shown to be depressed, most of the world now knows how it feels to be stuck in your house without leaving, especially a place that holds terrible memories would have an emotional toll on you. and sirius is an impulsive, selfish character - that’s why he said harry should be happy for a fight. sirius also then goes on to actually tell harry information about voldemort and the order, what’s he’s been yearning for all summer - unlike anyone else in the order! sirius is also a great comfort to harry throughout the year despite his situation and I never disliked sirius after reading this book!
secondly the fight between harry and the twins and malfoy - this was a long time coming. malfoy constantly gets away with his bullying, and he really insulted all of them, and all the students (especially harry) are under so much pressure from umbridge. harry feels betrayed, isolated and he’s angry - malfoy was a breaking point. and it doesn’t really condone it: mcgonagall yells at them afterwards and says it’s appalling behaviour.
the cho chang romance i thought was a cute depiction of awkward and sweet first love. i actually sympathise with cho, she clearly wanted to confide in harry because they both shared the same grief, and she thought he would get it. i thought it was a really realistic way of showing a teenage relationship that doesn’t really work out because you figure out you don’t click with the other person/ get what they need from you. of course it wasn’t the great love story of the sixth book because harry and ginny were meant for each other and end up together.
as for the pacing I can see why you have issues, although I thought the mystery and uncertainty of the department of mysteries makes it suspenseful. also no hate, clearly we like different things! I think this book is one of the times harry is at his lowest so for ppl who don’t like to read about him having a shitty time I get why you’d like the other stories, but for me I love the angst hahah
Interesting thoughts, even though OotP is my favourite book. For me it is the only book where you can see more of daily life in the ministry and in Hogwarts and even though many things are not necessary for the story it is still just so interesting to know more.
Moreover, The movie did not really make it to show the lonlyness of Harry. Scenes like Harry punching Malfoy or when Harry thinks he is a monster and has to go to the dursleys were all cut out in the movie. But what's really great about that book is the relationship between Harry and Dumbledore which reaches its climax during the conversation in Dumbledores Office. In the movie that was just completely left out.
I just rewatched the movie and was getting angry over just how much was cut. Removing the St. Mungo’s scenes was a crime, and many of the little things that let you really understand Harry were just gone! This is my favorite book and it got done dirty by the film
This is my favorite one lul. The book I enjoy the least is Chamber of Secrets (Still a great book). Cho is the only thing I’m not okay with. Only some parts of it. Too much crying crap
Yeah I agree with you but Harry should have some fucking balls and tell Cho what happened to Cedric instead being a fucking Pussy.
Maybe he dosent want to talk about it. Umm he also saw Cedric die he saw Voldemort come back. He cried over him. It's not like someone would be comfortable to just talk about that especially as some people don't believe him.
So you love the Order of the Phoenix?
MovieFlame: Well yes, but actually no.
Harry had PTSD in this book after watching Cedric died. Cho was grieving because of that. You have to understand that losing someone has different effects on people. Making fun of Cho because she was crying is just so mean!!
The way she was written grieving was garbage and made her look weak there’s a way to write it and not ruin her image and that’s not what happend
imelda staunton was incredible literally embodies umbridge perfectly, one of the best english stage actresses ever
I mean I think you make some very good points, but I have to disagree on a few things.
Psychologically speaking Cho and Sirius were well written in the book i think. I don't like cho in the book or the relationship with harry but man that girl did go through a lot of trauma and is 16 year old. Dunno if you noticed but there are a lot of 16 yo girls that didn't go through anything and act way crazier.
For Sirius i think maybe its a bit overwritten, but his character being so down the whole book is kinda normal if u think (and yes i agree its overdone, Sirius would show a bit more affection for Harry etc). Sirius was Finally free after Years of Prison only to get emprisoned in his own, hated house.
Also, i like both the sequence in the film and in the books in the ministry for very different reasons, and i think they are both really well done in their own right.
Great Video as always tho just my 2 Cents on this.
I have hard time rereading this book too.
But I think it’s brilliant, how Sirius and Harry never thought it was their last times together.
They are both teenagers with severe trauma, I personally think Sirius was stuck mentally at the age he went to prison.
This was what made the Sirius’s death even more impactful.
That mirrors with the next book’s ending, when Ginny says that Harry and she could’ve had years together.
And their happy ending is more special and significant because this time Harry got his life with the person.
Order of the Phoenix is my favorite Harry Potter novel. But you make some great points! I think I like it more just because it’s the longest, so I get the more time in the potter verse with this book. There’s plenty of other reasons I like it though.
It’s my favourite cuz I can place myself in Harry’s position and imagine how I would react
I feel like the department of mysteries scene was suitable in the book for the book and in the movie for the movie. In the book there can be this detailed lengthy adventure and explanation because it's easy to convey it. It's nice seeing the whole department of mysteries and the whole splitting up thing and everything was great for the book I enjoyed reading it. But in the movies it would have been ridiculous to get such a long scene so i am really glad they stayed together and sticked to one room. This way we get to see the battle in both ways Harry alone and all of then united.
(BTW order if phoenix is also my least favorite)
Haven’t watched yet but OOTP was always my favourite book, let’s see if you can change my mind!
It's my favorite actually too
The least favorite of mine is The Half Blood Prince
Cuz the book was very small and the Teenage romance and Harry's Sudden childishness was quite jarring after the amount of character growth in Order of the Phoenix
It was soon fixed afterwards
Just Opinion
Also Can you start a Song of Ice and Fire ??
The guy's a genius and each line has so much more meaning
Thats a lot considering the length
The theories the themes and the potential is a lot
Please please please I want a good Book TH-camr ( of which there are few ) to cover it
A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE !
Has he done it?
If you like ootp you gay ;)
@@randommapper4665 That's a good thing.
Q.a A.q No but he made some compelling points!
I agree that Sirius if not really his normal self when we first see him in this book, but I really feel like the time that the characters spend in that house is very important to understand why exactly Sirius is seemingly behaving so selfishly. It's imperative to impress upon the reader just how dark and dreary and depressing the house of black is, and about the nature of his relationship with the rest of the black family. This is a place that he hoped he would never ever have to come back to. Having to live inside a constant reminder of the Bad Blood and falling-out that you had with your family is quite literally one of the most depressing things I could ever imagine. The reason I feel it is so important is because this is directly what leads to Sirius behaving so recklessly and is indirectly what gets him killed in the end. The reason I feel it is so important is because it quite specifically highlights that Sirius is in a regressive state that kind of brings him down to a parallel with Harry's level in terms of his emotional state of mind. This is also what brings up his Hang-Ups about treating hairy as though he is James. Like I said, I absolutely agree that we don't see the best side of Sirius in this portion of the book, and I can absolutely understand why it would somewhat shatter that image of the protective Godfather that we have seen from him up to this point. But it also does a lot in terms of humanizing him and by pointing out his faults, it actually highlights one of the main lessons that Harry must learn, which is that the adults who have been protecting him are themselves people with their own problems and faults and feelings and Harry must learn to accept that. I feel that this is something that every kid goes through at some point and that every adult must learn to deal with. I can see why people were conflicted about this, but I feel that the importance of it cannot be overstated
I like this idea a lot!! However, it could've been done in the fourth book to show a change in the adults in the mid-point of the series and keep his role as godfather closer to his death. Adults are already deconstructed with the ministry, dumbledore, snape, lupin and many other characters. JK successfully created deeply complex characters, however we all fall into our given/taken roles every now and again, I think it would've benefited the story for sirius to do so one last time.
Yes, and I feel that he doesn't really acknowledge just how harsh Sirius' life has been. He got locked away in Azkaban when he was about 19 or 20. Since then, he's been imprisoned for 12 years - almost half his life. He's been with dentors bringing him down, or trying to, every single day.
When he finally escapes, he goes straight to Peter for revenge. Failing that, he goes into hiding for one year. Just one year to move about the world with any degree of freedom, to do his best to try what he wants, Eat what he wants, regain some kind of control, and to develop a relationship with Harry. Then it's all ripped away from him and he's basically forced to be locked up in his deeply hated childhood house again. I feel like it's very understandable that he's in a bad mood when Harry shows up to see him there, and that he grows more and more restless throughout the year
I always disagree with him when I see the title of the video, but when he explains his points, I have to say he dose have a lot of good arguments.
it’s actually my second favourite book after the Prisoner of Azkaban, even if the ending is shattering my heart.
Here's another example of how much Sirius cares about Harry, at the end of the Prisoner of Azkaban, he told Harry in a letter that let himself be seen in public miles and miles away from Hogwarts so the Ministry would remove the dementors from the school.
One thing that always confused me about Hermione leaving clothes around the commonroom hoping the elves would pick them up is that the elves aren't hers? Like how can she give clothes to house elves that aren't sworn to her in order to free them? Wouldn't Dumbeldore have to give them clothes to free them? Since they work for the school then I'd imagine they technically work for him or be employed by him.
Yeah
She probably didn’t fully understand how it works considering she wouldn’t listen to the elves
The elves still got offended by it to the point that Dobby was cleaning the Gryffindor common room by himself. Hmm 🤔
The whole clothes thing never made any sense anyway. Who does the laundry?
Well, Harry gave a sock to Dobby and he was free, even though Dobby was not Harry's servant. Anyone can give clothes to an elf and he would be free.
While this isnt my favourite book, it does have my favourite chapter in it : chapter 36 The Only One He Ever Feared. Such and action packed chapter
A lot of good arguments, I cant deny
However, I disagreed with literally everything you said about S.P.E.W.
NealSadhaka but the elves like working!
Lego Roan it’s because of people like you that these elves are brainwashed into thinking that!
Saying that the elves like working and it’s ok to treat them like that is exactly the same as saying that child labour in sweatshops is ok because they like the fact they’re getting paid. No, it’s morally wrong
@@meristuart1838 maybe they are brainwashed but they like their work. It is not a good idea to set them free.
Sanjana Shayonti r/woooosh
bruh
I hate when people say bruh
Why is this true Ive been locked up foreverrrr
@@sarahlovescoquette well, we can go outside but in some places people need to have masks on so we can go out but it just dosent feel the same
@@yoshtrooper6938 yeah :(
If u feel mad you cant go out well, remeber Sirius.
Cause he had to stay in and Snape laughed at him
for this
You’re literally justifying slavery
“I don’t like ootp”
Cho: *cries
The only part of OoTP I didn't like included was the Harry/Cho relationship! What would have been better was Harry realising his feelings for Ginny and maybe even the beginnings of their relationship and have it strengthen over Half Blood Prince!
Also, I love how long it is! I was actually disappointed to see 6 and 7 weren't as long as number 4, let alone number 5! Having said that, my favourites range in reverse reading order: from 7 down to 1!
Mark Smith I must say, I quite agree with you!
Whenever you explain things, it feels you're correct. However, I watched the movies first, so when I read the book, it felt more detailed than the movie. As you mentioned, everyone has a different opinion.
Same
Neville was the best in this book though. St. Mungo's scene was heartbreaking.
And lets not forget he stabs a death eater in his eyes with a wand 😂