I own a Kia EV6 GT. It's my first electric car. I have owned many "affordable" performance cars in the past. I think Mark hits many important points here. It's fast, but not very communicative. It's quiet and smooth, but not enough to be a luxury car. It's all those things. I had an RS3 Audi that I loved, but it was at the dealership with issues more than I would have liked. I had a Lexus ES300H that I loved because it was extremely quiet and smooth but was very limited in performance. The EV6 GT bridges that gap for me perfectly. I've taken several day trips with it and on the highway it returns better than expected range. (I've gotten 250 miles out of a charge) Once you step on it, that range tanks fast. To have the automotive experience that Jack and Mark have, would make me very critical of most cars. I haven't driven a 10th of what they've driven. Being ignorant of what's out there makes a lot of these cars better to the average joe. Still, I value their opinions but with some reservation. The best car I have ever driven is probably middle tier for them. My starting and ending points for what's good are much closer together.
I’ve driven one. Chirping all 4 tyres off the line is definitely entertaining. My driving history is mid too. WRX, then Audi S3, then Passat R36 (most disappointing car), then Mercedes A45 first gen (favourite car), then Audi S4 which was very reliable and good fun, and now a Mercedes GLA45S which would be hard to give up.
Did you pay over MSRP? I owned KIA Stinger and looking for EV as 2nd car. I was looking forward EVGT however for 60k with 15-20k over MSRP did not make any sense!? For same price Model X but End up Model Y performance 52k and tax credit $7500.
I have the EV6 GT, and my other car is a heavily modified GR86 in pursuit of as much feedback/sharp handling as I can manage because that is what I value most. In general EVs have the worst driver feedback imaginable. The tires in particular seem to be a huge part of the problem, as EV tires are designed for high weight load and low rolling resistance - things that numb them in terms of delivering information about what they are doing. But I don't think that this video was entirely fair in the analysis here - the feedback on this vehicle was one of the primary reasons we chose the EV6 GT in particular, as it was the only EV in our price range that felt like you were driving an actual vehicle and not a toaster. At the end of the day these are just station wagons for hauling the kid's soccer gear and driven by the wife with the instructions "don't press the green button" - no one is seriously considering these for a drift session, track day, or canyon carving. They should be judged against their actual competition - not dedicated performance vehicles with nearly five times the price tag like this video did. There is value in being a jack of all trades, master of none. I feel like they were judging the EV6 GT here not on its merits, but rather as an entirely different kind of vehicle they are hoping will soon exist. In their defense Kia has been all over the map with what they want to try and market this vehicle as, so if you are going by Kia's "it's a supercar" line then I both have a bridge to sell you, and their criticisms make more sense. Overall I'd agree with you that this review feels like it is valuable information, but out of touch with a more normal person's experiences and needs.
Touch screen ‘buttons’ need to be banned from consumer design schools world wide. There should be a cane in every classroom specifically designated to punish offenders.
Naaaaah... just wait people crashed or getting killed at traffic incidents because of those stupid things, just wait... it's worth waiting and... worth the lives 😈
I dont even understand how these pass safety trials. They rag about people using mobile phones in cars, but dicking around with the touchscreen attached to your car is fine. Just so companies can cut corners on tooling for physical buttons.
as said its a cost thing, but also conversely a 'premium' thing for late millennials onwards as long as the screens dont lag (and few Korean cars do) and those morons are too busy staring at the screen to care about whether its actually effective in a CAR For that reason expect the oncoming deluge of Chinese electrics to take from the Korean template, not the "I have more than two braincells to rub together" Japanese one
Boomers - screen type buttons are much better. They can be reconfigured and redesigned after the delivery has taken place. On top of that voice actuation is a thing if you are too scared to quickly glance at the screen while you are driving
I have an EV6 GT. It is my first EV, but far from my first performance car. Yeah it's heavy, yeah the steering is overboosted. He raises valid points about the chassis not communicating much- which makes sense, it's full of heavy batteries that will dampen the subtle inputs we learn to expect from well sorted cars. That being said, I don't think it's as bad as Mark says. It's still an absolute riot to drive. I've never not realized I was burning tire. Adding oversteer with your foot will never not be fun. The 0-60 is a fun trick to scare unsuspecting passengers, the flat torque curve makes it predictable and easy to push. On a whole it's an exercise in compromise- a large, comfortable commuter car that can carry a family, be comfortable on the highway, tear up a mountain road, do giant smoky drifts, and sell for $55-$60k is always going to be, be it gas or electric. You aren't going to get all of everything no matter how you slice it- you always lose something. I came directly off of a Fiesta ST into the EV6. It had a better chassis and suspension that the Kia, without question. It was also tiny, rough, loud, uncomfortable for any sort of distance, and cost twice as much to run. One point that always grinds my gears is the discussion about EV range when you drive like a clown. But like... gas cars are like that too. The ST did 12 MPG at track days. My friend's C6 does 4. It comes with the territory. The real complaint is that there should be more chargers around, and especially at tracks, and I agree with that completely. Overall my point is that while this is clearly a negative review that touches on valid points, you could do a lot worse if your wants and needs line up with what it offers. I wanted a comfortable, efficient commuter car with a split personality as a crazy muscle/sports car, and I got exactly what I wanted. It won't be right for everyone, and it's not supposed to be.
Agreed 100%. My EV6 is every bit as fun as my last ICE daily/track car. Only thing missing was the noise, which honestly was hugely made up for with the insane amount of power. I have noticed though, and my only beef with SG, is that Mark especially seems overly harsh with EVs, except in maybe that recent Lucid long video. Jack seems to be much more in tune with the realities and compromises of EVs instead of just bashing them just because they're EVs. Mark isn't necessarily wrong in his statements but definitely being overly negative and simplistic and assuming the worse case scenarios are the most frequent scenarios.
As a Fiesta ST owner actively shopping for an EV or PHEV that’s big enough for two child seats, this resonates. I am really going to miss the everyday, all-speeds fun and playfulness of the Fiesta. Your 12mpg on track comment made me think “drive harder!,” but I checked my own records and … 11-12mpg on track in my Fiesta also. Glad the EV6 is working out for you. It’s on my list but I am trying to hold out for an Ioniq 5N.
Agree 100% EV6 GT for the daily drive, Porsche 997 relegated to Sunday mornings, NSX for special occasions and a BAC Mono for track days. The KIA can absolutely hold its head high amongst those cars in my experience, it’s a brilliant thing.
I always appreciate the straight-forward honesty with their reviews. I am on the edge of my seat waiting for the Ioniq 5 N review. Every time I search google for news on it and see the same articles from June/July I get sad. So excited that new content and information will be coming out very soon!
The 5 N is my most eagerly anticipated car. There are lots of Korean language videos out. I don't know what they're saying but they seem to be having a good time. And Top Gear has added it to their Speed Week videos and it's the last car mentioned in their recent teaser video. Should be good.
I hate EVs so much but I have an Elantra N right now and feel like i might have to get a 5 N because of what it can do transmission wise and have pops and bangs from exterior speakers
I currently own an EV. I agree with Mark that these things make great daily drivers, grocery getters, and work taxis. I don’t think sporty driving feel is going to be a thing for a while for EVs. There is a light at the end of the tunnel though- more people are now opting for manual transmissions. This means that enthusiast cars aren’t going to disappear as the EV revolution ramps up. What it does mean is that you’ll now have to own both a work taxi, and an enthusiast car. The good thing is- your EV work taxi will save you money, need less maintenance, and you’ll be able to focus your enthusiast car on what you want to do with it instead of compromising it by driving it every day. EVs will get more affordable, and have longer ranges. Even my slow little Bolt is a freaking rocket in traffic making it very easy to avoid the speeding Tahoe sporting 26” wheels, or that pristine F150 4WD with 44” tires!
The problem to many is not that EVs can be added to well-off families with 3 -car garages. Rather, it's that mandates were created that all other powertrains, including excellent hybrids must be eliminated from our choices. Those who live in apartments or rented houses in cold climates will likely not have the best solution for their transportation needs if choices are eliminated.
POV: You just bought a Toyota Supra A91, and decided to pick the automatic since it has the quicker acceleration times. You pull up to a traffic light feeling all smug cause you have a pretty quick car. All of a sudden you hear a plastic booming sound, and a Kia EV6 GT with a baby on board sticker pulls up playing Lil Baby on full blast. When the light turns green you hear a quick screeching of tires and the Kia is gone...
Here in Southern CA, most EV6s are not GTs, so the vast majority of EVs will be left in the dust against a Supra B58 and even fewer EVs will out-accelerate a C8 Corvette. A 2017 NSX hybrid is on par with a C8 as far as acceleration. But I agree with Mark that for point a to b commuting to work, the EV6 GT and some higher end model 3 Teslas represent bragging rights for the fastest bang for the buck in a straight line. Make no mistake though, on a tight, curvy road, a Mazda MX5 Miata will leave all those very heavy EVs in the dust for half the cost.
Not at all disagreeing with certain aspects, but i also don't test drive nearly the amount of cars you do, so i can't compare. But i have a GT for a few months now, and i really, really enjoy this car. Have a level 2 at home and at work. I get in the car and smile. That's the key for me.
Summary: “really really hoping this car isn’t a set up for [N] because it’s on the same fundamental foundation, on the same architecture, and if it’s going to feel like that it’s going to be a pile shit.” Mark just lays it on at 8:50
Great review was always guys. You nailed it when you said about these cars are in their infancy Mark. We just leased a 2023 Kona SEL electric. So far, the range is better than we expected. It’s a great car firm point a to point b. We leased it because we know that the technology will be changing rapidly in the 3 years we leased it for.
Have one for 10months. Don't disagree with your observations, but I will add that for the money it's still the most involving (performance) EV on the market. Note: I'm not too bothered by the range, and here in Denmark it cost less than an I30N due to taxation. Thanks for the review
Strong disagree, i4 40 E Drive is RWD platform and much more engaging, and cheaper at 60k, it also gets vastly more range, and the 0-60 numbers they advertise are 0.9s faster than advertised with rollout (0.6s faster without rollout). So 4.8s and 5.1s respectively. However, if all you care about is going fast, then you should just get a M3P, and they have a superior charging network, range and software. Also when I got it, it was 5k cheaper too after all the performance options (breaks, msport suspension, luxury package), so about 5k in options. I traded in my Taycan 4S for one, its essentially 75% of the performance (a bit worse steering and driver position) for less than half the money... hard to justify. Vehicles I test drove: Mini Cooper SE, BMW i4 M50 and i4 40 edrive, EV6 GT, Taycan Taycan 4S, M3P (twice), Model S (suffered from being too wide like the Taycan IMO). So not a ton of EVs, but most the 'sporty' ones.
I can't wait until we see the next generations of all of these cars. I'm sure it is going to feel a lot like how the cellphone did, we all have old phones in drawers lol
No kidding, not only that, you will be able to buy cars with similar capabilities as this for their REAL price of 20-30 grand not 45-65 grand which is in fact a rip off.
Lol we absolutely have a phone graveyard. Why are we keeping them? I have no idea but it's neat to take out the blackberry or slide phone with full qwerty keyboard and tell my daughter, "this is what phones USED to look like"
I think the regular EV6 or Ioniq 5 are just a lot more compelling. The AWD versions are plenty fast and they have more range and more comfort. I do like the EV6 GT and what its trying to do and I appreciate Hyundai and Kia making the effort. The price-point is good and the cars that come after this one will benefit from what is learned.
The South Koreans have been killing it lately. Genesis, Kia, Hyundai, always impressed me in terms of value for performance and comfort. Very excited to see they are among the top of the EV game so far, only behind Tesla in usability and comfort.
who reviews a performance/grand-touring version of a crossover as if it should be a sports car? come on guys...quit doing this. It's. A. Grand. Touring. Crossover. You do actually *know* what GT means, right? It's meant to be super quiet and comfortable on long distance drives, but be capable of the performance if you need or want it. It isn't a sports coupe. Yes the marketing would have you believe its a fun track monster (which it probably is in some ways). But review the car, not the marketing. You guys are always making this mistake and its the reason I haven't subscribed and don't watch your videos often. Contrast that with Kyle from out-of-spec who got this same car, did a very fun, informal review on it, had a blast, and just basically reviewed it as exactly what it is. Oh, and he also used it how it was supposed to be used...blasting down the Autobahn at high speeds. That's what a grand touring car is for. grand. touring. The EV6 GT is an awesome grand touring crossover, but a casual viewer of your video would never know it. If the Porsche 718 EV comes out and has poor feedback, for sure, you should lay into it. But this? And then your lecture about how current EVs suck and you shouldn't buy one yet, snuck in at the end of a review video but having nothing specifically to do with Kia or the EV6. Saying that a Tesla is only good for point A-B driving and that is their "niche"? You have to be really ignorant to not know that there are tens of thousands of people tracking Teslas all over the world and having a great time. Once again, another reason not to subscribe, and precisely why Kyle gets far more views and subscriptions. He knows just as much or more about the cars than you do.
I test drove this, and man, I've had a wide smile on my face. I haven't experienced that since test driving the Genesis Coupe, Accord Coupe V6, and TLX Type S.
Me too. It's smooth and just accelerates easily. Went ahead and bought it. Getting 270 miles of range in ECO mode. NO need to crank up the GT in bumper to bumper rush hour traffic.
Great video and good points. I am in charge of the electrification transition at a Tier supplier to the auto industry and I agree that the amount of disruption and engineering advancement that the industry is going to see over the next 10-15 years is huge. When people challenge me about the switch to electric vehicles, the cost, the range, the charging infrastructure, etc. I remind them that we are in very early days of this transition. People had to get fuel from their local hardware store in tin cans when the Model T came out and the roadways were still cart paths for horses. It took us 120 years to get where we are today with ICE technology and infrastructure and I think we need to realize that the speed of this transition is astonishing considering the complexities involved. Ok final point putting my "car guy" hat on. I am a current Stinger GT owner as my daily and I also have 3 other V8 powered American vehicles in my fleet. I will also miss the involvement and noise of these cars being available, but I was considering replacing my Stinger with an EV6 GT. Even with your review of it being numb and perhaps too isolated, I have two V8 manual sports cars to have that driver involvement. So as a daily driver, I think it is an ok option (manual adjusting non-cooled seats in the EV6 GT though...really?!). My problem is I paid $45,000 CAD for Stinger new in 2020 and now the dealer wants almost $90,000 CAD for an EV6 GT. It is not twice the car and I am not going to save $45,000 in fuel. I would convert my daily drivers to EV's and lease them for the next few years...but the cost just makes no sense. Period.
Your point about EVs being early doors is a good one. A lot of people see the challenges of EV adoption as a roadblock instead of a hurdle. The industry is not doing anything to help that though. I've been waiting for someone (that isn't Tesla) to make a small and attractive electric sedan. Instead, automakers are so focused on big, heavy, long-range SUVs and pickups that just create a whole new set of issues. We're already seeing damage to roadways, collapsing parking structures, high tire wear, longer braking times, and other things like battery disposal and replacement costs for these big, heavy EVs. If you zoom out though, the solution to cars isn't electric cars. The infrastructure in NA is built to accommodate cars and not people. Even as an enthusiast myself, the obsession with the automobile is not sustainable, and a transition to EVs is just moving the problems around.
Your intro to the conclusion is 100% accurate. I just hope the manufacturers don’t read lack of people willing to buy first gen problems, as a general lack of demand for EVs. I personally love the sound and feel of a V8, but the EVs have so much potential in all arenas pretty much
I have the same feeling about the BMW i4 that I just drove, super fast but zero steering feel, almost no brake feel and just very little driver involvement. BOOOOOOOOOOORING.
@@CKY1942Probably not after the no-immobiliser in 80% of their cars up to 2020 making them stupidly easy to steal. EV6 is a great car, but the mistakes of the past will haunt KIA/Hyundai for a while, just like dieselgate haunts VW.
Another banger review by the boys, my thoughts exactly on EV "sports cars" they lack the dynamics and character that make them special. I dont do crazy speeds in my camaro its the sounds and feelings that make it worth the money to own a second car.
2:40 The acceleration figures given in this video are incorrect. It says 0-60 mph in 3.4 seconds right on Kia’s website. Dragy results show a true 0-60 mph of as quick as 3.2. 1/4 mile time given in this video is wrong too. It is an 11.3-11.4 car. I don’t know where you are getting your numbers from but it was easy to verify that the numbers you gave were incorrect.
I've had my gt for about 3 months. Only other "sporty" car I've ever owned was a Golf V R32 and that was a while ago so hard to compare. I upgraded from a 2014 BMW i3 which to be honest was far more fun to drive than you'd think, but battery was down to about 60-70 miles. I have the matte gray paint which sucks to take care of but this is the first car I've owned that people stop to take photos of. I read (not confirmed) that the non-electric seat choice was to get the driver position as low as possible and less to just add sports seats because sports car. It is a confusing car, because it's a good GT but not enough range to go cross country, has sports seats but it's a GT car etc. IMHO it's very controllable and I don't really know what they're talking about re tires, I can tell what the back end is doing, I haven't drifted it yet but seriously looking at tracking it. I honestly could have stretched and got a used Taycan, but even a used base Taycan is +$30k and for my 10 mile commute + weekends not worth it. I actually got mine for $6k under MSRP.
Something to keep in mind is that the Lexus ES300h has a range of 700 miles. So if quietness, ride comfort, fantastic fuel efficiency, and ultra-reliability are your priorities (and let's not forget long trips without range anxiety), then skip the EVs.
I feel like Hyundai/Kia are absolutely killing it right now with their model line ups, especially the N line of performance vehicles. The EV6 is definitely the one EV out there I'd consider owning if I ever HAD to covert from gas.
#1. GM, #2. Toyota, #3. Ford, #4. Hyundai-Kia 👏👏👏, #5. Stellantis, #6. Honda; USA sales rankings. Hyundai-Kia doubled sales in only 20 years. Only a few hundred thousand units behind Toyota. Hyundai-Kia will surpass Toyota within 3 years to become #2 in the USA!
#1. GM, #2. Toyota, #3. Ford, #4. Hyundai-Kia 👏👏👏, #5. Stellantis, #6. Honda USA sales rankings Doesn't matter what he, scotty, or others say. Hyundai-Kia is on its way to becoming #1 😂😂😂
@MK3504 Yeah, like Toyota's unintended acceleration catastrophe, where Toyota CEO had to go to Washington to apologize for their deadly junk. Hyundai-Kia CEO never had to go to Washington.
It's crazy how inefficient some of these cars are compared to the old BMW i3. My 60 mile commute with a near 50 mph average speed is around 5 Mi/Kwh and my overall average over the last year of ownership (including cold weather driving) has been 3.9. I really hope we see more cars pushing the 4+ efficiency range so no one has to drive around with an entire mine of batteries below them.
Please compare this car objectively with cars about the same price. This is half the price of a Tycan before you choose options on the Tycan, less than one quarter the price of the latest Lucid that impress you so much (me included). I really enjoy your take on the latest Lucid. But crashing a car less than a quarter of the price by comparing them, how they were different, you are considered biased and lose some credibility. Coming from someone driving 200k (USD) cars, you look down on them. Coming from someone driving a 50K car, this is very good. I totally agree this is the beginning of EV products and they will improve by leaping like every year. Yes, I know that when I buy the EV6 GT.
@@JohnFromAccounting I am over sixty years old and will not likely appreciate how the tech improve in 10 years. And it is not a piece of shit. These are really cruel comments. It is really idiotic to use this word when you have no idea the background of the comment. And to be honest, comparing a 250k to a 60k car, your comment applies to them all, right?
Sixty thousand can get you a great ICE vehicle with great range and driver feedback with much better luxurious accommodations. I think that's what everybody is complaining about with this EV. The fact is EV's aren't going to save the planet at this price nor are they hoping to be widely adapted.
@@timothycc711 Yes, I know that and I agreed with everything you said. My closing choice with similar price ICE will be a M340 and M2. But this is so different. I very much agree that EVs are not going to save the planet. They have their own environment issues and certainly no cleaner. The only way to minimize the impact of car in general is to charge the EV by solar. This way the damage to our environment will be less. (only less but not disappear altogether). And I am already trying that.
Nitpick: The tradeoffs are being discussed in a great way! And then "frunk utilization" comes in. Having a frunk, or the size of the frunk, is absolutely a tradeoff of the interior space of an EV. Would you rather have a bigger frunk or more cabin room?
I test drove last years model and it's a fun drive, for me at least. I do agree with how obsolete these 1st gen EVs will be down the road. It's hard to justify spending all that money on a car that will, HOPEFULLY, see large improvements on efficiency and range. I still wish Plug-in Hybrids got more time under the R&D process. I think that was the next future for cars, and then possibly EVs decades later. The EV tech developed now would ideally improve Plug-in Hybrids range and efficiency and so on.
As someone who loves and wholeheartedly embraces your way of looking at cars (*and how the best of them should be), I can't thank you enough for this excellent (and hard-hitting) assessment of Kia's EV-6. Of course, Mark and Jack likely know (in their heart of hearts) that most buyers don't care about the lack of engagement / feedback to the driver (which says something distressing about most buyers, but there you have it).
No but I'd seriously buy a Prius Cross with 8 inches of ground clearance and looks exactly like the new Crown Sport but smaller and take it snowboarding
For real. No one needs 99% of the cars on the road. Trucks for contractors and construction workers Prius for the masses Sienna for family. That is it. You can literally throw the rest of the consumerist bullcrap out the door. Toyota's run for 300k+ miles on oil changes and nothing else, so why do we keep making shit. Wastefulness.
As a performance/fun option I agree with your assessment 100%. I just bought an Ioniq 6 AWD and while the torque from a standstill is fun it’s pretty much lifeless otherwise. As a commuter/everyday option though I genuinely think EV’s have leapfrogged ICE cars already. If you are in the market for a nice-ish everyday car for around 40-50k I think any of the newer gen EV’s (Ioniq 5/6, latest model 3, normal EV6) make way more sense than something like an IS or TLX.
Depends on what you want in your daily driver. All three of those options were a "nope" for me personally, and I bought an IS. I work from home, though, and want a car that isn't totally devoid of emotion - the IS at least has some character with a V6 and stainless exhaust, and for me, the design is better inside and out. I stare at three 24" panels, my cell phone and a company phone for 8-9hr a day...I don't want that shit in my car.
I really want more driver engagement, and the good parts of that need to not be forgotten like it almost feels as if they are with so many recent cars. However on flip side making it possible for a car to become disengaged from the experience is less tiring if your intent is to use as little mental effort as possible while still driving safely on the road. I think the pan may be making it a bit worse then it is as a whole, it wouldn't be as bad to buy and own as in some ways made out, but i agree with the complete lack of tolerance their stand takes, that pretending certain things like steering and brake feel don't matter is simply unacceptable. Not that Hyundai/Kia intentionally did that, early days with EVs and all, but truth is everyone hopes they can do better.
@@aprtur Nice choice man. A lot of people decry the "outdated" interior and all that, but personally, I really like it; simple and high quality. It also has some really good handling feel, and the engine sounds good with a nice exhaust. I liked mine so much I upgraded to an RCF 😂.
@@Big_Red1 thanks! I actually locked in a special order in '21 before Lexus had to shy away from that for a while due to the chip shortage, so I got lucky...kind of debating whether I should've opted for the ML, but I'm not hurt over it, since I put that money toward a correction/ceramic coating and front PPF instead. I find it funny when I see people cry about the interior - I think it's perfect with just enough tech, but not overbearing with screens (AA is really the most I need for tech), and I actually prefer the touchpad to the touchscreen, since I can relax my arm when using it. It's a nice blend of new and old (nice to still see a CD/DVD player!). I'm jealous that you could spring for an RC-F...I'm not quite at that level. I would have loved to get an IS500, but they only finalized the announcement of it after I ordered. Having a hard time justifying the change now - I locked in 2.9% with $1500 cash back when I bought, and the rates on the 500 are high now in comparison making the gap even larger.
why do people keep complaining "range" on a super car? have you seen ANY super cars that has more than 16MPG or can even go far even 200 miles on gas???? This performance car is a great car and a great value who can't afford 120K car with the same performance. This channel feels like bias Anti-Ev to me. I drive EVs, they are just cars! Not sure what these guys smoking, there is so much feedback, emotion as you speed through with tunnel vision. My hands gets so sweaty because I can FEEL how fast its pulling. If you want to hear things, open the damn window. The point of EVs is to have comfortable quiet ride especially for families.
I get what you say about feedback but I think you’re going over the top here. All of this is prefaced with ‘assuming the range works for you’ve cause if not, well the best car is a Tesla Model 3 Long range. But if it does then the EV6 GT has few downsides over the regular model, it’s hardly any more expensive, has a nicer interior, I think it handles better and of course has that extra power. Unlike driving a V8 BMW coupe, or a 911 (both of which I did prior to the KIA) it does the trade off between utility car and sports car much better, remembering that 95% of the time you want utility not sports. I’m delighted with mine, it’s saving me huge amounts of money compared with daily driving my 997, and that feels more special now I just keep it for weekends. I don’t need or want a car to drift in my daily drive, just something fast and refined, the EV6 does this brilliantly. (When I want ultimate feedback I’ve got my BAC Mono and Honda NSX)
Thanks to many people willing to beta-test these early EV platforms/vehicles. I"ll pick up an EV in a decade or so. I'm guessing everything should be up to snuff by then. Right now a PHEV (like the RAV4) would be my first choice.
Brutal fact is that when moving into EV era, focus has been transfered to software instead. Analog to mechanical watch replaced by Apple watch, customers was fascinated how those gears work and now are more interested in which apps can fit in the newest smart watches. And that's still fun and new
Actually, mechanical watches are still very popular. I have a large cell phone with stylus that is highly useful. The last thing I'd want is a tiny screen that is mostly off because its battery would die if it were left on all day.
1:13 The "legacy lag" in the UI is strong enough that he pressed "Setup" twice. Legacy lag is a hidden reason many hate touch UIs. While a physical button may be best, a touch UI is workable if it responds immediately to input. When it lags and causes the user to doubt whether their input was captured, both frustration and danger risk is cranked way up. Eyes will need to move to the target again to (re)confirm the target, another press is made, etc. Legacy lag is dangerous.
I really want to watch SG and support them, but it’s hard to watch full length videos on any EV, they just don’t excite me. I’m fortunate enough to travel a bit for work and rent whatever I want, I’ve rented plenty of EVs, after about 20 pulls it’s boring and annoying that you kill the battery. Most are boarder line dangerous with their weight and lack of handling and braking. It’s got a 600 hp motor and 200 hp equivalent brakes.
Sounds like my dudes need to put in some stiffer dampers and bushings, turn off some steering nannies, and maybe trade out that steering column. Ditch some NVH for good measure. I feel like the magic for making a communicative, connective sports car is right on the tip of the tongue for most automakers, they just gotta give up the illusion of luxury
It looks quite nice, I think. I do wish it had knobs/buttons/switches instead of touch controls, but I can’t afford a new car so my opinion is irrelevant to Kia lol.
Could someone please answer me why one would buy an EV6 over an ioniq5? I understand the GT is a different thing, but then i would wait for the i5 N. My real question is: are there people out there who prefers the styling of the ev6? Because the ioniq5 is one of my favorite looking cars on sale today. Anecdotally, i see more ev6's on the road, and I'm effing baffled as to why 🤷🏼♂️
@@barrysrobbins Well, this is the internet, so you are the wrong one, obviously. 😝 Seriously though, thank you. I'm not a fan of the ioniq5's "styling" (i.e. the lite-brite tails, rims, etc) but I love the guigiaro inspired shapes (ioniq5, n vision 74). Then again, I'm a pervert 😂. So, I knew there had to be people that prefer the wind-tunnel-optimized "palindromic" design school. The ev6 I can stomach, at least from a front 3/4 angle, but I can't tell if the ioniq6 looks sadder coming or going, lol.
Hyundai-Kia, their EV technology is quite competitive compared to most companies. Go look up all the data. It's available if you know what they're talking about. For the price they offer this much, it's a steal.
l think both of you guys hit the nail on the head with the assessment of the car. Like Mark said some of the things the Kia reps did not know because they don't have a need to know those things because in my opinion at the end of the day they made the car for the average person, not a car enthusiast that wants to get into EV's and the trend is going fast. I don't see any way possible to get a no compromise car for the price they sell their (Hyundai/Kia) cars at. Germans aren't just marking up their cars for the cash of it. But I give them credit they give you a lot of car for the money, but once you go Bugatti, McLaren, Porsche you will instantly notice something is missing when driving a Kia. But this is just my thoughts and opinion. By the way I think it was still a great mini review.
Yep I daily an EV and have a trackday stick shift G35 with all the SPL Parts suspension bits, Öhlins coils, and Z1 Motorsports drivetrain things done to it with a solid disk clutch and a carbon driveshaft. The EV is technically faster but the G35 just feels absolutely alive, my only gripe is that I wish I could put a cable throttle on it cheaply, but still the response and feedback from a 90% analog setup like that is immediate and the car communicates everything it wants to do on track, the EV feels like I'm in a hovercraft/spaceship when it's pushed.
I ubered into the city a few weeks ago and my driver had one of these. I asked him how fast it was and he floored it for me. These things are legitimately fast.
@@cyanprince00 not all electric cars are fast. This car is way faster than any electric car I've ever been in. The video downplays how fast this car actually is.
@@anthonykiedis1765 There was no downplaying tho. They talked about how fast it is, how it handles, it's marketing stuff against supercars. Jack did a 360 and floored it lol. It's just boring as a regular car when ur not flooring it with zero driver feedback. There's 4 trim levels of this car even the Wind trim with the best range 4wd and 320+ HP/400 lb-ft or so torque is a 4.5 sec car. Thing is, EVs are quick just off the line cuz of power delivery to the motors spinning the wheel is almost instant- unless ur talking about the Leaf which is a very early gen electric (but they're still quick)
I think Mark much to his credit has identified a certain car buying demographic to appeal to with his shift to EV's for everyman and I suspect it will be the same demographic that will be lining up to have Neuralink installed.
I can't believe it's illegal to operate your cellphone while driving, but it's perfectly fine to scroll through 5 different menus on your touch screen in order to change something in the car. It's baffling
If anyone’s looking for one but can’t justify the outrageous prices some of these dealers ask for I know of one with 4,000 miles in bloomington-normal Illinois for $48,000. Bought my civic type r from them and they’re an honest dealer which is rare nowadays. Maybe look into it if you’re wanting one bad enough. (:
I don't know how they think anyone is going to actually buy one of these things. Kia and Hyundai have long been the value brand which gave you the most for either the lowest price, or a competitive price. This is neither. I can buy a model 3 performance right now for $47k, has a 300mi range and does 0-60 in 3.1... why would anyone spend $61k to get 100mi less range, a slower 0-60, and an inferior charging network ? That's not even taking into account the dealerships which are "market adjusting" the prices even higher, and that doesnt happen with Tesla. Sorry Kia, you missed the mark on this one.
It looks the part, i was sure it would be fun to drive. The adjustable dampers and the front suspension changes looked promising to me. I'm interested at going EV, but i would like something smaller and less expensive but nice to drive.
As far as tracking these cars, local to me there are at least two different EV6 gt's that regularly show up for SCCA Track Night in America events. So I guess some people are definitely interested in tracking EVs. Will be interesting to see how much the Ioniq 5N fixes. I don't care how you feel about it so don't bother responding with something stupid about EVs vs ICE.
I sure am glad I bought my 2022 Hyundai Kona N while I had the chance. Ask the man who owns one: The 2L turbo and 8sp wet dual clutch transmission are perfectly matched for driving engagement at any speed. The first thing I did was set the adaptive dampers to their most compliant setting and left 'em there. Next, I swapped out the OEM, 5,000 mi-&-done Pirelli P Zeros for Pirelli P Zero Elect tires, which perform and wear much better. I think Hyundai will regret only offering this gem for (barely) two model years. Reports that any future Kona N, based on what is essentially the Kia Seltos platform, will most likely be all-electric are not encouraging. Evidently, "Car Christ" Albert Biermann must have seen the handwriting on the wall and decided to get while the getting was good. Sigh.
Couldn't agree more with this assessment. I love how Chris Harris put it: buying an EV today is like buying a laptop in the 90's. By the time it's broken in, it's a paper weight.
These guys' reviews are so pretentious and unfair. Making the comparison to a lucid air Sapphire that costs 250k is completely unreasonable. I don't think the people at Kia ever thought that their EV would compete at $50,000 with a high performance luxury vehicle. That's not the point of this car. This car exists to give a taste of performance to people who don't have an unlimited budget. It's like saying the Elantra N doesn't compare favorably to a Ferrari and is therefore a terrible car. This car can be worse than a lucid air Sapphire and still be good for what it is-- an affordable performance EV.
How does it work? 230 miles on 100% charge. But they recommend only charging to 80% and not allowing it to fall below 20%. Does that give a net of around 165-175 actual milage depending on whether or not you run the HVac?
Personall I think BMW got it right with the new 5 series. They kept basically a traditional interior (EV)en in the electrical version. Whe would you want a pebertal style interior just because the propulsion engine is electric..?
Hey guys, please understand that there are folks like me who are literally relying on you two, to guide us through this ICE -> EV transition. Thank you so much for keeping up with the technical, performance, efficiency, and value information.... without the fluffy ass kissing BS.
I own a Kia EV6 GT. It's my first electric car. I have owned many "affordable" performance cars in the past. I think Mark hits many important points here. It's fast, but not very communicative. It's quiet and smooth, but not enough to be a luxury car. It's all those things. I had an RS3 Audi that I loved, but it was at the dealership with issues more than I would have liked. I had a Lexus ES300H that I loved because it was extremely quiet and smooth but was very limited in performance. The EV6 GT bridges that gap for me perfectly. I've taken several day trips with it and on the highway it returns better than expected range. (I've gotten 250 miles out of a charge) Once you step on it, that range tanks fast. To have the automotive experience that Jack and Mark have, would make me very critical of most cars. I haven't driven a 10th of what they've driven. Being ignorant of what's out there makes a lot of these cars better to the average joe. Still, I value their opinions but with some reservation. The best car I have ever driven is probably middle tier for them. My starting and ending points for what's good are much closer together.
I’ve driven one. Chirping all 4 tyres off the line is definitely entertaining.
My driving history is mid too. WRX, then Audi S3, then Passat R36 (most disappointing car), then Mercedes A45 first gen (favourite car), then Audi S4 which was very reliable and good fun, and now a Mercedes GLA45S which would be hard to give up.
Did you pay over MSRP? I owned KIA Stinger and looking for EV as 2nd car. I was looking forward EVGT however for 60k with 15-20k over MSRP did not make any sense!? For same price Model X but End up Model Y performance 52k and tax credit $7500.
@@aymanlockhartable No. I received approximately $8000 off MSRP with various rebates and by financing through KIA. KIA had a competitive APR.
@@forrysc Wow thats nice!
I have the EV6 GT, and my other car is a heavily modified GR86 in pursuit of as much feedback/sharp handling as I can manage because that is what I value most.
In general EVs have the worst driver feedback imaginable. The tires in particular seem to be a huge part of the problem, as EV tires are designed for high weight load and low rolling resistance - things that numb them in terms of delivering information about what they are doing. But I don't think that this video was entirely fair in the analysis here - the feedback on this vehicle was one of the primary reasons we chose the EV6 GT in particular, as it was the only EV in our price range that felt like you were driving an actual vehicle and not a toaster.
At the end of the day these are just station wagons for hauling the kid's soccer gear and driven by the wife with the instructions "don't press the green button" - no one is seriously considering these for a drift session, track day, or canyon carving. They should be judged against their actual competition - not dedicated performance vehicles with nearly five times the price tag like this video did. There is value in being a jack of all trades, master of none.
I feel like they were judging the EV6 GT here not on its merits, but rather as an entirely different kind of vehicle they are hoping will soon exist. In their defense Kia has been all over the map with what they want to try and market this vehicle as, so if you are going by Kia's "it's a supercar" line then I both have a bridge to sell you, and their criticisms make more sense. Overall I'd agree with you that this review feels like it is valuable information, but out of touch with a more normal person's experiences and needs.
Touch screen ‘buttons’ need to be banned from consumer design schools world wide. There should be a cane in every classroom specifically designated to punish offenders.
touch buttons are a cost saving measure. Proper manufacturing of physical items is becoming a lost art.
Naaaaah... just wait people crashed or getting killed at traffic incidents because of those stupid things, just wait... it's worth waiting and... worth the lives 😈
I dont even understand how these pass safety trials. They rag about people using mobile phones in cars, but dicking around with the touchscreen attached to your car is fine.
Just so companies can cut corners on tooling for physical buttons.
as said its a cost thing, but also conversely a 'premium' thing for late millennials onwards as long as the screens dont lag (and few Korean cars do) and those morons are too busy staring at the screen to care about whether its actually effective in a CAR
For that reason expect the oncoming deluge of Chinese electrics to take from the Korean template, not the "I have more than two braincells to rub together" Japanese one
Boomers - screen type buttons are much better. They can be reconfigured and redesigned after the delivery has taken place. On top of that voice actuation is a thing if you are too scared to quickly glance at the screen while you are driving
I have an EV6 GT. It is my first EV, but far from my first performance car. Yeah it's heavy, yeah the steering is overboosted. He raises valid points about the chassis not communicating much- which makes sense, it's full of heavy batteries that will dampen the subtle inputs we learn to expect from well sorted cars. That being said, I don't think it's as bad as Mark says. It's still an absolute riot to drive. I've never not realized I was burning tire. Adding oversteer with your foot will never not be fun. The 0-60 is a fun trick to scare unsuspecting passengers, the flat torque curve makes it predictable and easy to push.
On a whole it's an exercise in compromise- a large, comfortable commuter car that can carry a family, be comfortable on the highway, tear up a mountain road, do giant smoky drifts, and sell for $55-$60k is always going to be, be it gas or electric. You aren't going to get all of everything no matter how you slice it- you always lose something. I came directly off of a Fiesta ST into the EV6. It had a better chassis and suspension that the Kia, without question. It was also tiny, rough, loud, uncomfortable for any sort of distance, and cost twice as much to run.
One point that always grinds my gears is the discussion about EV range when you drive like a clown. But like... gas cars are like that too. The ST did 12 MPG at track days. My friend's C6 does 4. It comes with the territory. The real complaint is that there should be more chargers around, and especially at tracks, and I agree with that completely.
Overall my point is that while this is clearly a negative review that touches on valid points, you could do a lot worse if your wants and needs line up with what it offers. I wanted a comfortable, efficient commuter car with a split personality as a crazy muscle/sports car, and I got exactly what I wanted. It won't be right for everyone, and it's not supposed to be.
Agreed 100%. My EV6 is every bit as fun as my last ICE daily/track car. Only thing missing was the noise, which honestly was hugely made up for with the insane amount of power. I have noticed though, and my only beef with SG, is that Mark especially seems overly harsh with EVs, except in maybe that recent Lucid long video. Jack seems to be much more in tune with the realities and compromises of EVs instead of just bashing them just because they're EVs. Mark isn't necessarily wrong in his statements but definitely being overly negative and simplistic and assuming the worse case scenarios are the most frequent scenarios.
As a Fiesta ST owner actively shopping for an EV or PHEV that’s big enough for two child seats, this resonates. I am really going to miss the everyday, all-speeds fun and playfulness of the Fiesta. Your 12mpg on track comment made me think “drive harder!,” but I checked my own records and … 11-12mpg on track in my Fiesta also. Glad the EV6 is working out for you. It’s on my list but I am trying to hold out for an Ioniq 5N.
Agree 100%
EV6 GT for the daily drive, Porsche 997 relegated to Sunday mornings, NSX for special occasions and a BAC Mono for track days. The KIA can absolutely hold its head high amongst those cars in my experience, it’s a brilliant thing.
I always appreciate the straight-forward honesty with their reviews. I am on the edge of my seat waiting for the Ioniq 5 N review. Every time I search google for news on it and see the same articles from June/July I get sad. So excited that new content and information will be coming out very soon!
The 5 N is my most eagerly anticipated car. There are lots of Korean language videos out. I don't know what they're saying but they seem to be having a good time. And Top Gear has added it to their Speed Week videos and it's the last car mentioned in their recent teaser video. Should be good.
I hate EVs so much but I have an Elantra N right now and feel like i might have to get a 5 N because of what it can do transmission wise and have pops and bangs from exterior speakers
I currently own an EV. I agree with Mark that these things make great daily drivers, grocery getters, and work taxis. I don’t think sporty driving feel is going to be a thing for a while for EVs. There is a light at the end of the tunnel though- more people are now opting for manual transmissions. This means that enthusiast cars aren’t going to disappear as the EV revolution ramps up. What it does mean is that you’ll now have to own both a work taxi, and an enthusiast car. The good thing is- your EV work taxi will save you money, need less maintenance, and you’ll be able to focus your enthusiast car on what you want to do with it instead of compromising it by driving it every day. EVs will get more affordable, and have longer ranges. Even my slow little Bolt is a freaking rocket in traffic making it very easy to avoid the speeding Tahoe sporting 26” wheels, or that pristine F150 4WD with 44” tires!
The problem to many is not that EVs can be added to well-off families with 3 -car garages. Rather, it's that mandates were created that all other powertrains, including excellent hybrids must be eliminated from our choices. Those who live in apartments or rented houses in cold climates will likely not have the best solution for their transportation needs if choices are eliminated.
@@davepaturno4290they won’t be
@DH-og5yr Let's hope not. A change in presidential party will help.
@@DH-og5yrThey already have been.
POV: You just bought a Toyota Supra A91, and decided to pick the automatic since it has the quicker acceleration times. You pull up to a traffic light feeling all smug cause you have a pretty quick car. All of a sudden you hear a plastic booming sound, and a Kia EV6 GT with a baby on board sticker pulls up playing Lil Baby on full blast. When the light turns green you hear a quick screeching of tires and the Kia is gone...
2040: if you don’t have a 0-60 in 2 seconds car you’re slow
Here in Southern CA, most EV6s are not GTs, so the vast majority of EVs will be left in the dust against a Supra B58 and even fewer EVs will out-accelerate a C8 Corvette. A 2017 NSX hybrid is on par with a C8 as far as acceleration. But I agree with Mark that for point a to b commuting to work, the EV6 GT and some higher end model 3 Teslas represent bragging rights for the fastest bang for the buck in a straight line.
Make no mistake though, on a tight, curvy road, a Mazda MX5 Miata will leave all those very heavy EVs in the dust for half the cost.
@@davepaturno4290So true...I love when Tesla guys try to flex because, unless they have a Plaid, I'll annihilate them in my little 6 cylinder. lol
I don’t see lil baby blasting, baby on board sticker rocking people being able to afford this car lol
Drag racing is boring though so it hardly matters.
Not at all disagreeing with certain aspects, but i also don't test drive nearly the amount of cars you do, so i can't compare. But i have a GT for a few months now, and i really, really enjoy this car. Have a level 2 at home and at work. I get in the car and smile. That's the key for me.
Summary: “really really hoping this car isn’t a set up for [N] because it’s on the same fundamental foundation, on the same architecture, and if it’s going to feel like that it’s going to be a pile shit.” Mark just lays it on at 8:50
can't take him seriously after watching Mark's Lucid Sapphire review.
Great review was always guys. You nailed it when you said about these cars are in their infancy Mark. We just leased a 2023 Kona SEL electric. So far, the range is better than we expected. It’s a great car firm point a to point b. We leased it because we know that the technology will be changing rapidly in the 3 years we leased it for.
As always, I LOVE the candor of this channel. Mark does Not mince words. Thanks for another honest review from a buyer's/ driver's perspetive.
"None of their other cars have great dynamics..." Elantra N would like a word.
Thats a different story (i should have mentioned it)
Have one for 10months. Don't disagree with your observations, but I will add that for the money it's still the most involving (performance) EV on the market.
Note: I'm not too bothered by the range, and here in Denmark it cost less than an I30N due to taxation.
Thanks for the review
Strong disagree, i4 40 E Drive is RWD platform and much more engaging, and cheaper at 60k, it also gets vastly more range, and the 0-60 numbers they advertise are 0.9s faster than advertised with rollout (0.6s faster without rollout). So 4.8s and 5.1s respectively. However, if all you care about is going fast, then you should just get a M3P, and they have a superior charging network, range and software.
Also when I got it, it was 5k cheaper too after all the performance options (breaks, msport suspension, luxury package), so about 5k in options.
I traded in my Taycan 4S for one, its essentially 75% of the performance (a bit worse steering and driver position) for less than half the money... hard to justify. Vehicles I test drove:
Mini Cooper SE, BMW i4 M50 and i4 40 edrive, EV6 GT, Taycan Taycan 4S, M3P (twice), Model S (suffered from being too wide like the Taycan IMO). So not a ton of EVs, but most the 'sporty' ones.
@@PhonyBologna You are confusing models.
@@trykpaa Care to elaborate?
I can't wait until we see the next generations of all of these cars. I'm sure it is going to feel a lot like how the cellphone did, we all have old phones in drawers lol
No kidding, not only that, you will be able to buy cars with similar capabilities as this for their REAL price of 20-30 grand not 45-65 grand which is in fact a rip off.
The days of decent cars under $35K are over.
Lol we absolutely have a phone graveyard. Why are we keeping them? I have no idea but it's neat to take out the blackberry or slide phone with full qwerty keyboard and tell my daughter, "this is what phones USED to look like"
Throw away cars.
Exactly. The first generation of electric cars are now fancy golf carts.
I think the regular EV6 or Ioniq 5 are just a lot more compelling. The AWD versions are plenty fast and they have more range and more comfort. I do like the EV6 GT and what its trying to do and I appreciate Hyundai and Kia making the effort. The price-point is good and the cars that come after this one will benefit from what is learned.
3.2 seconds 0-60 + drift mode in a Kia EV crossover is fkg bonkers 😂
This is going to be a quick video on EV6 GT: video is 17 mins long 😂
Yeah, in the land of SG that is quick. Beware the term "deep dive" with the geese.
The South Koreans have been killing it lately. Genesis, Kia, Hyundai, always impressed me in terms of value for performance and comfort. Very excited to see they are among the top of the EV game so far, only behind Tesla in usability and comfort.
#1. GM,
#2. Toyota,
#3. Ford,
#4. Hyundai-Kia 👏👏👏,
#5. Stellantis,
#6. Honda
USA sales rankings
You're a sucker for style over substance. 😅
who reviews a performance/grand-touring version of a crossover as if it should be a sports car? come on guys...quit doing this. It's. A. Grand. Touring. Crossover. You do actually *know* what GT means, right? It's meant to be super quiet and comfortable on long distance drives, but be capable of the performance if you need or want it. It isn't a sports coupe. Yes the marketing would have you believe its a fun track monster (which it probably is in some ways). But review the car, not the marketing. You guys are always making this mistake and its the reason I haven't subscribed and don't watch your videos often. Contrast that with Kyle from out-of-spec who got this same car, did a very fun, informal review on it, had a blast, and just basically reviewed it as exactly what it is. Oh, and he also used it how it was supposed to be used...blasting down the Autobahn at high speeds. That's what a grand touring car is for. grand. touring. The EV6 GT is an awesome grand touring crossover, but a casual viewer of your video would never know it. If the Porsche 718 EV comes out and has poor feedback, for sure, you should lay into it. But this? And then your lecture about how current EVs suck and you shouldn't buy one yet, snuck in at the end of a review video but having nothing specifically to do with Kia or the EV6. Saying that a Tesla is only good for point A-B driving and that is their "niche"? You have to be really ignorant to not know that there are tens of thousands of people tracking Teslas all over the world and having a great time. Once again, another reason not to subscribe, and precisely why Kyle gets far more views and subscriptions. He knows just as much or more about the cars than you do.
These are extremely popular in the Knoxville,TN area. I saw atleast a half dozen of them within about 30 mins of driving around today.
I test drove this, and man, I've had a wide smile on my face. I haven't experienced that since test driving the Genesis Coupe, Accord Coupe V6, and TLX Type S.
Me too. It's smooth and just accelerates easily. Went ahead and bought it. Getting 270 miles of range in ECO mode. NO need to crank up the GT in bumper to bumper rush hour traffic.
Looking forward to the Ioniq 5 N reviews! I hear it's a different animal.
I would never buy a car that doesn’t have physical HVAC controls.
100%...this and the "motorize all the things" trend REALLY need to go away.
It's a revelation to find reviewers who are truly looking out for the consumer. Thank you so much and keep up the good work.
Great video and good points. I am in charge of the electrification transition at a Tier supplier to the auto industry and I agree that the amount of disruption and engineering advancement that the industry is going to see over the next 10-15 years is huge. When people challenge me about the switch to electric vehicles, the cost, the range, the charging infrastructure, etc. I remind them that we are in very early days of this transition. People had to get fuel from their local hardware store in tin cans when the Model T came out and the roadways were still cart paths for horses. It took us 120 years to get where we are today with ICE technology and infrastructure and I think we need to realize that the speed of this transition is astonishing considering the complexities involved.
Ok final point putting my "car guy" hat on. I am a current Stinger GT owner as my daily and I also have 3 other V8 powered American vehicles in my fleet. I will also miss the involvement and noise of these cars being available, but I was considering replacing my Stinger with an EV6 GT. Even with your review of it being numb and perhaps too isolated, I have two V8 manual sports cars to have that driver involvement. So as a daily driver, I think it is an ok option (manual adjusting non-cooled seats in the EV6 GT though...really?!). My problem is I paid $45,000 CAD for Stinger new in 2020 and now the dealer wants almost $90,000 CAD for an EV6 GT. It is not twice the car and I am not going to save $45,000 in fuel. I would convert my daily drivers to EV's and lease them for the next few years...but the cost just makes no sense. Period.
Your point about EVs being early doors is a good one. A lot of people see the challenges of EV adoption as a roadblock instead of a hurdle. The industry is not doing anything to help that though. I've been waiting for someone (that isn't Tesla) to make a small and attractive electric sedan. Instead, automakers are so focused on big, heavy, long-range SUVs and pickups that just create a whole new set of issues. We're already seeing damage to roadways, collapsing parking structures, high tire wear, longer braking times, and other things like battery disposal and replacement costs for these big, heavy EVs.
If you zoom out though, the solution to cars isn't electric cars. The infrastructure in NA is built to accommodate cars and not people. Even as an enthusiast myself, the obsession with the automobile is not sustainable, and a transition to EVs is just moving the problems around.
Your intro to the conclusion is 100% accurate. I just hope the manufacturers don’t read lack of people willing to buy first gen problems, as a general lack of demand for EVs.
I personally love the sound and feel of a V8, but the EVs have so much potential in all arenas pretty much
I have the same feeling about the BMW i4 that I just drove, super fast but zero steering feel, almost no brake feel and just very little driver involvement. BOOOOOOOOOOORING.
This is the car that a wife calling in to the Dave Ramsey show said her husband bought for way too much money and now they are in terrible debt 😅
Kia seems to be doing a great job of selling cars that people need with like 80% of the luxury features people want.
#1. GM,
#2. Toyota,
#3. Ford,
#4. Hyundai-Kia 👏👏👏,
#5. Stellantis,
#6. Honda
USA sales rankings.
Hyundai-Kia doubled sales in only 30 years!
Hyundai-Kia #1 in 5 years?
lol Kia 🤮
@@CKY1942Probably not after the no-immobiliser in 80% of their cars up to 2020 making them stupidly easy to steal. EV6 is a great car, but the mistakes of the past will haunt KIA/Hyundai for a while, just like dieselgate haunts VW.
Another banger review by the boys, my thoughts exactly on EV "sports cars" they lack the dynamics and character that make them special. I dont do crazy speeds in my camaro its the sounds and feelings that make it worth the money to own a second car.
2:40 The acceleration figures given in this video are incorrect. It says 0-60 mph in 3.4 seconds right on Kia’s website. Dragy results show a true 0-60 mph of as quick as 3.2. 1/4 mile time given in this video is wrong too. It is an 11.3-11.4 car. I don’t know where you are getting your numbers from but it was easy to verify that the numbers you gave were incorrect.
I've had my gt for about 3 months. Only other "sporty" car I've ever owned was a Golf V R32 and that was a while ago so hard to compare. I upgraded from a 2014 BMW i3 which to be honest was far more fun to drive than you'd think, but battery was down to about 60-70 miles. I have the matte gray paint which sucks to take care of but this is the first car I've owned that people stop to take photos of. I read (not confirmed) that the non-electric seat choice was to get the driver position as low as possible and less to just add sports seats because sports car. It is a confusing car, because it's a good GT but not enough range to go cross country, has sports seats but it's a GT car etc. IMHO it's very controllable and I don't really know what they're talking about re tires, I can tell what the back end is doing, I haven't drifted it yet but seriously looking at tracking it. I honestly could have stretched and got a used Taycan, but even a used base Taycan is +$30k and for my 10 mile commute + weekends not worth it. I actually got mine for $6k under MSRP.
The Taycans have been very troublesome as far as reliability.
Something to keep in mind is that the Lexus ES300h has a range of 700 miles. So if quietness, ride comfort, fantastic fuel efficiency, and ultra-reliability are your priorities (and let's not forget long trips without range anxiety), then skip the EVs.
Same with my Maverick - almost 700miles range, cheap, fits 5 and a bed in the back. We'll see about reliability
I don't see any reason to buy an EV6 over a Rav4 Prime with hooker/blow money left over.
So basically my 2022 Camry hybrid with a nicer interior? 😆
@@JasonISF ....and additional technology/status. I don't think your Camry has Heads Up Display as an option.
@@davepaturno4290 it does, it's the top SL model.
I feel like Hyundai/Kia are absolutely killing it right now with their model line ups, especially the N line of performance vehicles. The EV6 is definitely the one EV out there I'd consider owning if I ever HAD to covert from gas.
Mark wants you to support Lucid and buy their new $200+K Sapphire.
@@tooltalk for $200k+, I can think of A LOT of other things I'd rather own.
#1. GM,
#2. Toyota,
#3. Ford,
#4. Hyundai-Kia 👏👏👏,
#5. Stellantis,
#6. Honda;
USA sales rankings.
Hyundai-Kia doubled sales in only 20 years. Only a few hundred thousand units behind Toyota. Hyundai-Kia will surpass Toyota within 3 years to become #2 in the USA!
Im surprised Kia let you guys anywhere near thier cars after what yall did and said about the Stinger! Just kidding 😅
If they did a video on their recalls, engine failures and fires over the last 10 years, I would be impressed.
@@C6v1999ahh the one brand hare continuea while you conveniently forget almost all MFGs. Have recalls.
#1. GM,
#2. Toyota,
#3. Ford,
#4. Hyundai-Kia 👏👏👏,
#5. Stellantis,
#6. Honda
USA sales rankings
Doesn't matter what he, scotty, or others say. Hyundai-Kia is on its way to becoming #1
😂😂😂
@MK3504 Yeah, like Toyota's unintended acceleration catastrophe, where Toyota CEO had to go to Washington to apologize for their deadly junk. Hyundai-Kia CEO never had to go to Washington.
@@MK3504Yeah, like Honda's Takata Airbag massacre.
It's crazy how inefficient some of these cars are compared to the old BMW i3. My 60 mile commute with a near 50 mph average speed is around 5 Mi/Kwh and my overall average over the last year of ownership (including cold weather driving) has been 3.9. I really hope we see more cars pushing the 4+ efficiency range so no one has to drive around with an entire mine of batteries below them.
The i3 was a rear wheel drive tiny commuter car. This is a performance oriented SUV/crossover.
The i3 was an expensive, tiny car. Of course it can be more efficient.
I don't even get 2mi/kwh in my Wrangler 4xe but it's good for a brick
We just fixed a transmission on a i3 with 90k miles. Transmission cost was $500 wholesale price. The i3 is a perfect city car.
More EVs should focus on aerodynamic efficiency rather than being a tall crossover with a massively inefficient front profile.
Please compare this car objectively with cars about the same price. This is half the price of a Tycan before you choose options on the Tycan, less than one quarter the price of the latest Lucid that impress you so much (me included). I really enjoy your take on the latest Lucid. But crashing a car less than a quarter of the price by comparing them, how they were different, you are considered biased and lose some credibility.
Coming from someone driving 200k (USD) cars, you look down on them. Coming from someone driving a 50K car, this is very good. I totally agree this is the beginning of EV products and they will improve by leaping like every year. Yes, I know that when I buy the EV6 GT.
Please tell me you're a bot.
So you buy a piece of shit, just to watch it depreciate into the soil in 5 years? That's just idiotic.
@@JohnFromAccounting I am over sixty years old and will not likely appreciate how the tech improve in 10 years. And it is not a piece of shit. These are really cruel comments. It is really idiotic to use this word when you have no idea the background of the comment.
And to be honest, comparing a 250k to a 60k car, your comment applies to them all, right?
Sixty thousand can get you a great ICE vehicle with great range and driver feedback with much better luxurious accommodations. I think that's what everybody is complaining about with this EV. The fact is EV's aren't going to save the planet at this price nor are they hoping to be widely adapted.
@@timothycc711 Yes, I know that and I agreed with everything you said. My closing choice with similar price ICE will be a M340 and M2. But this is so different.
I very much agree that EVs are not going to save the planet. They have their own environment issues and certainly no cleaner. The only way to minimize the impact of car in general is to charge the EV by solar. This way the damage to our environment will be less. (only less but not disappear altogether). And I am already trying that.
Nitpick: The tradeoffs are being discussed in a great way! And then "frunk utilization" comes in. Having a frunk, or the size of the frunk, is absolutely a tradeoff of the interior space of an EV. Would you rather have a bigger frunk or more cabin room?
I test drove last years model and it's a fun drive, for me at least. I do agree with how obsolete these 1st gen EVs will be down the road. It's hard to justify spending all that money on a car that will, HOPEFULLY, see large improvements on efficiency and range. I still wish Plug-in Hybrids got more time under the R&D process. I think that was the next future for cars, and then possibly EVs decades later. The EV tech developed now would ideally improve Plug-in Hybrids range and efficiency and so on.
As someone who loves and wholeheartedly embraces your way of looking at cars (*and how the best of them should be), I can't thank you enough for this excellent (and hard-hitting) assessment of Kia's EV-6.
Of course, Mark and Jack likely know (in their heart of hearts) that most buyers don't care about the lack of engagement / feedback to the driver (which says something distressing about most buyers, but there you have it).
We just need 2 cars
8 inch ground clearance Prius and Sienna
No but I'd seriously buy a Prius Cross with 8 inches of ground clearance and looks exactly like the new Crown Sport but smaller and take it snowboarding
For real. No one needs 99% of the cars on the road.
Trucks for contractors and construction workers
Prius for the masses
Sienna for family.
That is it. You can literally throw the rest of the consumerist bullcrap out the door. Toyota's run for 300k+ miles on oil changes and nothing else, so why do we keep making shit.
Wastefulness.
I’ve owned a lot of cars, people give me funny looks when I tell them the Prius is possibly the best car that exists
I own a '15 prius. It's not a bad car. It's just slow as hell....and everyone on the road HATES it and you.
@@Unchainedmaple888 I want a 911 Dakar for that haha
As a performance/fun option I agree with your assessment 100%. I just bought an Ioniq 6 AWD and while the torque from a standstill is fun it’s pretty much lifeless otherwise.
As a commuter/everyday option though I genuinely think EV’s have leapfrogged ICE cars already. If you are in the market for a nice-ish everyday car for around 40-50k I think any of the newer gen EV’s (Ioniq 5/6, latest model 3, normal EV6) make way more sense than something like an IS or TLX.
Depends on what you want in your daily driver. All three of those options were a "nope" for me personally, and I bought an IS. I work from home, though, and want a car that isn't totally devoid of emotion - the IS at least has some character with a V6 and stainless exhaust, and for me, the design is better inside and out. I stare at three 24" panels, my cell phone and a company phone for 8-9hr a day...I don't want that shit in my car.
I really want more driver engagement, and the good parts of that need to not be forgotten like it almost feels as if they are with so many recent cars. However on flip side making it possible for a car to become disengaged from the experience is less tiring if your intent is to use as little mental effort as possible while still driving safely on the road.
I think the pan may be making it a bit worse then it is as a whole, it wouldn't be as bad to buy and own as in some ways made out, but i agree with the complete lack of tolerance their stand takes, that pretending certain things like steering and brake feel don't matter is simply unacceptable. Not that Hyundai/Kia intentionally did that, early days with EVs and all, but truth is everyone hopes they can do better.
@@aprtur Nice choice man. A lot of people decry the "outdated" interior and all that, but personally, I really like it; simple and high quality. It also has some really good handling feel, and the engine sounds good with a nice exhaust. I liked mine so much I upgraded to an RCF 😂.
@@Big_Red1 thanks! I actually locked in a special order in '21 before Lexus had to shy away from that for a while due to the chip shortage, so I got lucky...kind of debating whether I should've opted for the ML, but I'm not hurt over it, since I put that money toward a correction/ceramic coating and front PPF instead. I find it funny when I see people cry about the interior - I think it's perfect with just enough tech, but not overbearing with screens (AA is really the most I need for tech), and I actually prefer the touchpad to the touchscreen, since I can relax my arm when using it. It's a nice blend of new and old (nice to still see a CD/DVD player!).
I'm jealous that you could spring for an RC-F...I'm not quite at that level. I would have loved to get an IS500, but they only finalized the announcement of it after I ordered. Having a hard time justifying the change now - I locked in 2.9% with $1500 cash back when I bought, and the rates on the 500 are high now in comparison making the gap even larger.
@forrestedgar2776 Here in CA, premium gas is $6.50/gallon which means no V8 engine-powered vehicle for me.
this interior looks MUCH better than the Ioniq 5 and 6 IMO....
why do people keep complaining "range" on a super car? have you seen ANY super cars that has more than 16MPG or can even go far even 200 miles on gas???? This performance car is a great car and a great value who can't afford 120K car with the same performance.
This channel feels like bias Anti-Ev to me. I drive EVs, they are just cars! Not sure what these guys smoking, there is so much feedback, emotion as you speed through with tunnel vision. My hands gets so sweaty because I can FEEL how fast its pulling. If you want to hear things, open the damn window. The point of EVs is to have comfortable quiet ride especially for families.
I get what you say about feedback but I think you’re going over the top here. All of this is prefaced with ‘assuming the range works for you’ve cause if not, well the best car is a Tesla Model 3 Long range. But if it does then the EV6 GT has few downsides over the regular model, it’s hardly any more expensive, has a nicer interior, I think it handles better and of course has that extra power.
Unlike driving a V8 BMW coupe, or a 911 (both of which I did prior to the KIA) it does the trade off between utility car and sports car much better, remembering that 95% of the time you want utility not sports.
I’m delighted with mine, it’s saving me huge amounts of money compared with daily driving my 997, and that feels more special now I just keep it for weekends. I don’t need or want a car to drift in my daily drive, just something fast and refined, the EV6 does this brilliantly.
(When I want ultimate feedback I’ve got my BAC Mono and Honda NSX)
Thanks to many people willing to beta-test these early EV platforms/vehicles. I"ll pick up an EV in a decade or so. I'm guessing everything should be up to snuff by then.
Right now a PHEV (like the RAV4) would be my first choice.
Brutal fact is that when moving into EV era, focus has been transfered to software instead. Analog to mechanical watch replaced by Apple watch, customers was fascinated how those gears work and now are more interested in which apps can fit in the newest smart watches. And that's still fun and new
Actually, mechanical watches are still very popular. I have a large cell phone with stylus that is highly useful. The last thing I'd want is a tiny screen that is mostly off because its battery would die if it were left on all day.
The watch market is bigger than ever. Tf you talking about
Mechanical watches have absolutely not been replaced by the Apple watch. That was some dumb ass shit
1:13 The "legacy lag" in the UI is strong enough that he pressed "Setup" twice. Legacy lag is a hidden reason many hate touch UIs. While a physical button may be best, a touch UI is workable if it responds immediately to input. When it lags and causes the user to doubt whether their input was captured, both frustration and danger risk is cranked way up. Eyes will need to move to the target again to (re)confirm the target, another press is made, etc. Legacy lag is dangerous.
I really want to watch SG and support them, but it’s hard to watch full length videos on any EV, they just don’t excite me. I’m fortunate enough to travel a bit for work and rent whatever I want, I’ve rented plenty of EVs, after about 20 pulls it’s boring and annoying that you kill the battery. Most are boarder line dangerous with their weight and lack of handling and braking. It’s got a 600 hp motor and 200 hp equivalent brakes.
Sounds like my dudes need to put in some stiffer dampers and bushings, turn off some steering nannies, and maybe trade out that steering column. Ditch some NVH for good measure. I feel like the magic for making a communicative, connective sports car is right on the tip of the tongue for most automakers, they just gotta give up the illusion of luxury
Would love a chart of miles/kwh (for all cars)
same, I hate that "MPGe" is the standard they've chosen in the US.
@@jasonyoung6420
MPGe is and always has been totally worthless.
Bjorn Nyland has that in all of his range test videos. Find a vehicle segment and look for videos, and he has the comparisons in great detail.
It looks quite nice, I think. I do wish it had knobs/buttons/switches instead of touch controls, but I can’t afford a new car so my opinion is irrelevant to Kia lol.
Mark and jack are the dads of my food baby
can't wait for the I5N review
Could someone please answer me why one would buy an EV6 over an ioniq5?
I understand the GT is a different thing, but then i would wait for the i5 N.
My real question is: are there people out there who prefers the styling of the ev6? Because the ioniq5 is one of my favorite looking cars on sale today.
Anecdotally, i see more ev6's on the road, and I'm effing baffled as to why 🤷🏼♂️
Subjectivity. I think the ioniq5 looks hideous. Am I wrong or are you?
@@barrysrobbins Well, this is the internet, so you are the wrong one, obviously. 😝
Seriously though, thank you. I'm not a fan of the ioniq5's "styling" (i.e. the lite-brite tails, rims, etc) but I love the guigiaro inspired shapes (ioniq5, n vision 74).
Then again, I'm a pervert 😂.
So, I knew there had to be people that prefer the wind-tunnel-optimized "palindromic" design school.
The ev6 I can stomach, at least from a front 3/4 angle, but I can't tell if the ioniq6 looks sadder coming or going, lol.
Appreciate your honest review
Selling me a car that's built on the ideas of the future and then telling me I have to plug in my phone is insane.
“Contra code” lol
Oh yeah, that sounds dynamic.
Hyundai-Kia, their EV technology is quite competitive compared to most companies. Go look up all the data. It's available if you know what they're talking about. For the price they offer this much, it's a steal.
l think both of you guys hit the nail on the head with the assessment of the car. Like Mark said some of the things the Kia reps did not know because they don't have a need to know those things because in my opinion at the end of the day they made the car for the average person, not a car enthusiast that wants to get into EV's and the trend is going fast. I don't see any way possible to get a no compromise car for the price they sell their (Hyundai/Kia) cars at. Germans aren't just marking up their cars for the cash of it. But I give them credit they give you a lot of car for the money, but once you go Bugatti, McLaren, Porsche you will instantly notice something is missing when driving a Kia. But this is just my thoughts and opinion.
By the way I think it was still a great mini review.
Yep I daily an EV and have a trackday stick shift G35 with all the SPL Parts suspension bits, Öhlins coils, and Z1 Motorsports drivetrain things done to it with a solid disk clutch and a carbon driveshaft. The EV is technically faster but the G35 just feels absolutely alive, my only gripe is that I wish I could put a cable throttle on it cheaply, but still the response and feedback from a 90% analog setup like that is immediate and the car communicates everything it wants to do on track, the EV feels like I'm in a hovercraft/spaceship when it's pushed.
Drive a Lotus to truly know what road connection feel is.😏
I ubered into the city a few weeks ago and my driver had one of these. I asked him how fast it was and he floored it for me. These things are legitimately fast.
Damn, I should've done that.
Ofc it is. It's electric- it's some of what SG talked about in this video
@@cyanprince00 not all electric cars are fast. This car is way faster than any electric car I've ever been in. The video downplays how fast this car actually is.
@@anthonykiedis1765 There was no downplaying tho. They talked about how fast it is, how it handles, it's marketing stuff against supercars. Jack did a 360 and floored it lol. It's just boring as a regular car when ur not flooring it with zero driver feedback.
There's 4 trim levels of this car even the Wind trim with the best range 4wd and 320+ HP/400 lb-ft or so torque is a 4.5 sec car. Thing is, EVs are quick just off the line cuz of power delivery to the motors spinning the wheel is almost instant-
unless ur talking about the Leaf which is a very early gen electric (but they're still quick)
@@cyanprince00 cool story bro.
Jack listening to Electroswing in a Kia EV? What has the world come to hahah
Funny, to the point and honest, great video, made me chuckle the final thoughts.
I think Mark much to his credit has identified a certain car buying demographic to appeal to with his shift to EV's for everyman and I suspect it will be the same demographic that will be lining up to have Neuralink installed.
electric cars are great but they don’t have soul, that’s what is great about classic cars you are a part of the experience, you can feel everything
When this car reaches sub 30k its going to be interesting seeing videos of people getting gapped.
I can't believe it's illegal to operate your cellphone while driving, but it's perfectly fine to scroll through 5 different menus on your touch screen in order to change something in the car. It's baffling
Shame, but I get it. It would be great for my short commute and bouncing around town. Kind of a really nice golfcart!
A $60,000 golf cart.
If anyone’s looking for one but can’t justify the outrageous prices some of these dealers ask for I know of one with 4,000 miles in bloomington-normal Illinois for $48,000. Bought my civic type r from them and they’re an honest dealer which is rare nowadays. Maybe look into it if you’re wanting one bad enough. (:
I don't know how they think anyone is going to actually buy one of these things. Kia and Hyundai have long been the value brand which gave you the most for either the lowest price, or a competitive price. This is neither. I can buy a model 3 performance right now for $47k, has a 300mi range and does 0-60 in 3.1... why would anyone spend $61k to get 100mi less range, a slower 0-60, and an inferior charging network ? That's not even taking into account the dealerships which are "market adjusting" the prices even higher, and that doesnt happen with Tesla. Sorry Kia, you missed the mark on this one.
Hopefully the second generation will cost less.
Would love to hear your take on the Fisker Ocean!!
They are bankrupt!!!😂
It looks the part, i was sure it would be fun to drive. The adjustable dampers and the front suspension changes looked promising to me. I'm interested at going EV, but i would like something smaller and less expensive but nice to drive.
Hopefully Hyundai gives you more technical details and the actual car turns out to be communicative 🤞. How long do I have to wait?
His ending statement was golden. Harsh, but true.
Since I lost all my senses I couldn't find a car that suited me...I think here I found.
Interesting, honest. Thanks.
this interior looks MUCH better than the Ioniq 5
Great take! Thank you SavageGeese!
casual race, non official lap time on german nurburg ring: 7:42
now let that sink in
I just had a customer order a CR-V Hybrid that just got done with their Lemon Law case on the EV6 GT. Kia had to buy it back.
*cracks knuckles* time to watch Savagegeese downplay another Korean car.
As far as tracking these cars, local to me there are at least two different EV6 gt's that regularly show up for SCCA Track Night in America events. So I guess some people are definitely interested in tracking EVs. Will be interesting to see how much the Ioniq 5N fixes.
I don't care how you feel about it so don't bother responding with something stupid about EVs vs ICE.
You said no Hyundai has a dynamic and yet everybody seems to love the Elantra N...but oh well
Thanks a lot guys...Now i have to buy the Eletre....
I sure am glad I bought my 2022 Hyundai Kona N while I had the chance. Ask the man who owns one: The 2L turbo and 8sp wet dual clutch transmission are perfectly matched for driving engagement at any speed. The first thing I did was set the adaptive dampers to their most compliant setting and left 'em there. Next, I swapped out the OEM, 5,000 mi-&-done Pirelli P Zeros for Pirelli P Zero Elect tires, which perform and wear much better.
I think Hyundai will regret only offering this gem for (barely) two model years. Reports that any future Kona N, based on what is essentially the Kia Seltos platform, will most likely be all-electric are not encouraging. Evidently, "Car Christ" Albert Biermann must have seen the handwriting on the wall and decided to get while the getting was good. Sigh.
I saw one at a dealership. It has a $9,995 dealer markup. Seems cool... but it's not THAT cool.
Couldn't agree more with this assessment. I love how Chris Harris put it: buying an EV today is like buying a laptop in the 90's. By the time it's broken in, it's a paper weight.
Do all EV cars have a ugly steering wheel mandate/requirement or something?
My God that was refreshing honesty!
Was refreshing bullshit. Ask any actually owner such as myself.
These guys' reviews are so pretentious and unfair. Making the comparison to a lucid air Sapphire that costs 250k is completely unreasonable. I don't think the people at Kia ever thought that their EV would compete at $50,000 with a high performance luxury vehicle. That's not the point of this car. This car exists to give a taste of performance to people who don't have an unlimited budget. It's like saying the Elantra N doesn't compare favorably to a Ferrari and is therefore a terrible car. This car can be worse than a lucid air Sapphire and still be good for what it is-- an affordable performance EV.
Have to upvote just for the interesting opinion
How does it work? 230 miles on 100% charge. But they recommend only charging to 80% and not allowing it to fall below 20%. Does that give a net of around 165-175 actual milage depending on whether or not you run the HVac?
Nope, 230 useable miles. Charging to 80percent gives you that 230miles. When I charge to 100percent I get around 260-270miles.
Mark liked the ioniq 5 and thought it drove well. What's the difference between the two cars? The Kia is worse somehow?
"Quick video" = 17 minutes?!
yes, compared to their nnormal videos. Quick is a relative term, not an absolute one, silly goose.
Personall I think BMW got it right with the new 5 series. They kept basically a traditional interior (EV)en in the electrical version. Whe would you want a pebertal style interior just because the propulsion engine is electric..?
Thank you for calling it like it is
How about something like BMW i4 m50? Do you think it is a good “performance” EV?
Hey guys, please understand that there are folks like me who are literally relying on you two, to guide us through this ICE -> EV transition. Thank you so much for keeping up with the technical, performance, efficiency, and value information.... without the fluffy ass kissing BS.
Also living in the Seattle area it seems like every second car is Tesla so good to stand out in the crowd :)