SWAP, BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE! 2019+ Ram HD 6.7 Cummins CP3 Conversion
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 เม.ย. 2021
- CYA CP4! 5th Gen Cummins S&S Diesel CP3 Conversion Kit installation. 2019-2020 Ram HD owners with the problematic CP4 need this S&S kit! It will save you a lot money in the long run. Emissions compliant, no tuning required, just bolt & plug in.
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My S&S CP3 swap kit is on the shelf waiting for me to install it when I get time. You did not mention the warranty. S&S has a good warranty.
Sweet! I did forget!! Been busy w/ my real job & completely forgot.
But it does voids warranty?
How much for the kit?
I went with an Industrial Injection no tune kit. It was pretty detailed but it seems like the S&S is a little more detailed. Nice video and thank you my friend!
Glad I found your Video.
Just purchased a Ram 2500 MFD 07/2018 .
The fella that originally bought it requested the 2019 6.7 Cummins motors.
Found that out after I just found 2 manuals in the truck 2018&2019
And orignal window sticker
Did mine while back best thing you can do Imo very simple install looks factory I went with the no tune runs great. Enjoyed watching your install Thanks
Thank you
Thanks for all the info!!! Very much appreciated!!
I like how you guys explain all the details
Thanks Anthony
I had the industrial kit for my 19. The S&S is a far superior product. I was never able to get it tuned correctly and the truck never ran right with the II. I would probably still have the truck had I went with the S&S kit. Long story short, you made the right choice.
Buenísimo tu video ,ayer se la cambié a la mía ,me quedo súper bien
I bought the S&S Diesel CP3 conversion kit as a precautionary measure In September 2021 and changed it myself in my driveway on my 2019 Ram 5500 with 186,000 miles and three weeks later in October 2021 with 192.000 miles, truck has no issues!. It was fairly easy as long as you are mechanically inclined. HIGHLY RECCOMMENDED KIT! The only part I would pay attention to is the instructions because, every detail isn't there. Use good judgment and you'll be good.
Have you had any issues with the high pressure line leaking? The one from the pump to the fuel rail?
What no one is talking about, and the reason Ram should be replacing their CP4's for CP3's for FREE is when your CP4 grenades while running down the highway at 70+mph with a heavy umpteen thousand pound load behind you. Your truck basically shuts off. You lose your brakes and your steering instantly when your engine cuts off. Think about how catastrophic that is!
No you don’t. That’s a lie. You can still stop and steer just fine.
Exactly what happened to me. No power steering or power brakes. Better be awake when this happens.
Just got my recall notice for my 2020, the shit will be on them as no solution at this time. Ffs
They are now with the latest recall. Get your trucks in for the recall appointment if you have a 2022 or newer.
What a drama-queen! Unless you are a total weakling, you do not lose brakes; you lose power assist to brakes. You do not lose steering; you lose power assist to steering. If you cannot drive the truck without the power assist then you should stick to a Yugo.
My S&S CP3 swap kit is on the shelf waiting for me to install it when I get time. I contacted Ram and they are no help at all. I explained the safety issue. I guess a certain number of people have to die before they are forced to do a recall. It's not a matter of if, it's when. He did not mention the warranty. S&S has a great warranty.
One would think that's a lot of money to replace the CP pump but it's cheaper than having to repair everything else when it goes bad. Cheap insurance. Great video.
Amen brother!
What the hell was ram thinking!? It's almost like there was a competing company that had issues with the cp4 for an entire generation of their diesel engines... but its good they saw the error of their ways and went back to stuff that works reliably.. great video! Love this truck
Thanks David! Have a great weekend!
That was not Ram, it was Cummins.
@@WBOS72 ok whatever.. semantics, the point still remains
Good to cya Bro !!!
Yeah buddy! Happy Easter!
Looks like the person I bought mine from had the high pressure pump replaced and the egr by pass valve. Hoping everything goes well now
Great video guys 😬👍🏻
Thanks Mike, Happy Easter buddy!
@@BEASTProjects Thanks ! Happy eastern to you.
Mine is being done next week. The dealer still don't have the parts so having it done elsewhere and submitting the bill to FCA. I called FCA today and was told to submit a Paid itemized bill. I'll be happy if they pay 75%. I'll know its been done right.
Smart guy right here!
Thanks Mike! Hope all is well!
Great informational video....
Thanks Mike!
Hopefully it does happen til my factory warranty runs out at 100k. I have a 2020 and it has 17k miles.
My 2021 has the CP3.
Probably answered elsewhere. Does this conversion void your entire factory warranty? Or just fuel system portion of it? Or?
Man my idea of a built is a levelling kit and wheels and tires lol.... looking good.
Thanks Julio, have a Happy Easter!
With the recall announced in Nov.2021, does anyone know if FCA/RAM will cover the cost of this conversion?
In lieu of that expensive swap, why not use the disaster prevention kit from SPE????
Has anyone had any issues with the high pressure line leaking? The one from the pump to the fuel rail?
Factory Warranty on fuel system is already voided. No warranty with hybrid cp3 conversion. But now you have to worry about cp3 reliability because it's not a factory stock cp3.
I’m good with it.
@@SSfueled , why you don't offer warranty on your modified cp3, if you are so confident that its more reliable?
The law (Magnasun Moss Act).prevents Dodge from voiding your warranty. With that said if the pump fails then it’s on you because it’s after market however if anything else in the fuel system fails it’s on Dodge per the warranty unless the pump caused the failure. The burden of proof is on the manufacturer the aftermarket part caused the issue. I am sure that some dumb ass service manager will try to shove the voided warranty argument down your throat. You may even have to lawyer up to make them follow the law.
@@michaelsomales2264 , cost of lawyer will be significantly higher than repair bill
Repair vehicle, you are surely mistaken in your opinion about using a lawyer. I work in executive management for a major energy company. I deal with lawyers on a daily basis both in house and hired law firms. A law suit, any law suit cost 40K-60K to defend on the low end. The parties named in the suit would be the servicing dealer and Chrysler as co defendants. The first lawyer at Chrysler that looks at the suit will see the suit is based on a violation of law. It is a case they cannot win. I promise they will not spend 40-60K fighting a losing battle. It is a business and they will make a business decision to settle the case. I know this because I have made this decision myself multiple times. When you have a loser you don’t throw good money away fighting that loser. Trust me they are not stupid. Chrysler knows the law and unfortunately the dumb ass service manager does not. The company obviously does not warrant the aftermarket pump or any damage they can prove was caused by an aftermarket part but the rest of the warranty is intact. An aftermarket fuel pump does not negate the warranty on your transmission or rear end or anything else not involved in the pump failure.
Can you tell me what size the y78 recall pump is?
Did mine 3 weeks ago.. took the cp4 apart and it already had wear at 12k
Much needed swap!!
Did s&s cp3 swap no tune kit on my 2019. Did ok first couple of days then I noticed the rail pressure creep up idling 5800ish desired to getting 7000 actual, then 8000actual, then 10000actual then throws p0088 code and service engine throttle control now its desired is 5800psi at idle with 12000-15000psi actaul.. Wide open throttle always stayed within specs this whole time. I'm at a loss, any ideas
What about if my truck is tuned and deleted?
Ram just announced the cp4 recall!,, dec 2021 225k trucks covered no need for all of this any,more.
how long does this procedure take
Not so fast! New recall just came out, dealers are now changing out the CP4.2 for the CP3 pump. If your truck (2022 and up) has the notice for the newest recall, you'll be CP3 pump.
Does anyone know if this conversion kit works on a 3rd Gen. 3.0 EcoDiesel? We also have the CP4.2
Did you get the s&s super sport cp3? And this will work with your current ezlynk tuning with no additional changes to it? Can you run your 150 horsepower tune on this?
The SuperSport requires a tune revision.
More than likely gonna have to do this swap to my grandfather's 5th gen since it's a 2020 ram 2500 with the 6.7l Cummins with the CP4 injection pump and to avoid his truck being down for days or weeks on end
Is Josh’s Dirty Diesel shop in Reading, PA? If so, I’ll call for availability during labor rate 👍🏾
Yup
Very cool! Just out of curiosity what would Josh charge for the installation for the average person off the street? I believe the pump is 2700$ + or - but what the installation rate? Thanks for the videos keep them all coming.
Probably 2hrs, not sure what his shop rate is...
@@BEASTProjects Gotcha Thanks
If the CP4 is known to "grenade" why is there not a recall or some sort of fix from RAM?
There is. Recall Y78
I heard they’ll be replacing our cp4s with the CP3s in the 21s and up. 🤞🏻
What about the recall
Hey I know you sold this beast recently but do you recall if your pump was producing a gear lash clanking sound at light loads and when letting off the throttle? Mine is annoyingly noisy and I even removed the pump and reinstalled it "phased" to engine TDC per Rams instructions for their own in house conversion kits. Nothing changed. S&S says it’s fine and not causing harm but it is borderline embarrassing because my truck sounds like an old junker!
My stock cp4 makes these noises in colder weather. Recall is being done tomorrow and I hope it's no longer an issue
Why didn’t you install the black market fuel filter while you were there?
Josh and I are thinking about doing something else.... I'll keep everyone posted.
Do you still have that CP4 pump laying around ? If so could you do a tear down video ? I cannot seem to find one single tear down of a “Big dimple” CP4. I’d be willing to purchase so I can make one for everyone that has that same pump.
I still have it, maybe I’ll do that when I have time. My is probably fine, because I swapped it at 4K. Haha
@@BEASTProjects that’s actually when most fail according to a few techs. But hell yeah
No crap, I was luck my then. Ha
Did you have any problems with your tuner after you installed the CP3
ZERO
Were you able to get Ram to reimburse you for the replacement due to the recall?
Yes they will, took 10 days to get my check for the parts and labor costs.
They won't even replace the 2019 Rams cp4 yet. I've just been told, until its broken Ram won't fix it.
Anyone knows a good diesel mechanic in California?
Why didn’t you get the super sport model?
🙂
Just had the dealer swap the CP4 for a new CP3 (with conversion kit). I asked if the tech had torn down the removed unit to see if the roller or cam had wear and was advised that it was not part of their job. If they do not tear down and inspect, how can you be certain that the rest of the fuel system is free from contamination caused by worn, metal to metal, contamination?
Forgot to mention, the swap was a scheduled recall swap and was NOT due to pump failure. Still, I am curious if there is a danger of worn cam/roller assemblies on the CP4 creating debris that could pass through to the rails and injectors. Big pieces of metal will get caught on metering unit screen but I don't know if smaller pieces could get through. FYI: vehicle is 2020 Ram 3500, apx 40k miles. Anyone have thoughts?
One thing I don't get is the ford use a similar cp4 but their failure rate is nothing compared to the rams. Why is that?
Failure rate for CP4 equipped Super Duty’s (2011-Current) is on par with GM failures. I believe there is a class action lawsuit in which the claim is they are defective from the factory. You can find conversion kits readily available.
I think hearing about failure and conversion from Ram owners is just more mainstream for some reason. Funny considering Cummins ditched the CP4 in the Ram after two model years.
Just got my factory recall for my 2020 2500, but they said no solution available at this time. Said they will contact me when one is available. I am hoping they will allow me to swap it and get them to pay for it.
Check w/ S&S, I believe the factory was reimburse customers who had to replaced their CP4’s. They offer no tune swap option.
@@BEASTProjects I called and they said they would not cover replacing aftermarket parts unless the CP4 failed and there was no option. Nothing like driving a ticking time bomb. Covered by warranty and now recall. At the dealer they had one that failed and it was there for 4 months and cost was over $18,000. They installed a CP3 and made it fit. Probably from a 2021
Any issues with the pump yet? Looking at purchasing one
None at all! Can’t go wrong w/ S&S.
@@BEASTProjects Awesome, love the content! Did you go with the no tune or super sport?
Send me a DM on IG.
Your truck needs some calibration from optimal welding.....
I already have that covered. The fueling is on point too.
Did you notice any new noises for the cp3. Did mine and seems louder but a normal noises I think.
None
How much does this process cost?
Hit up Dirty Diesels
ALL YOU NEEDED WAS A REFLASH....
Best to grab a BANKS GRID HEATER UPGRADE before that stud ends up in #6 cylinder 😮
Anyone looking for a S&S CP3 swap and/or FASS Titanium Signature series 165gph I have these, will sell for half price, sold my Cummins.
What S&S CP3 kit do you have?
@@brandonlesko4340 Sorry the email response alert went to spam. If still interested it is RAM-CP3-SS Super Sport
@@geogrezmak7546 super sport is the one that requires tuning ?
@@shamrockfitness6509 No tuning required, 100% compliant with emissions laws.
Sounds like a great deal. But, per S&S, **Note: Tuning Required for SuperSport/10MM/12MM/14MM CP3 Conversion Kit
Why are u guys doing this it’s covered under warranty 6yrs 100,00 mile warranty part are in dealers I have a 19 getting done in two weeks then new one is warranted by dealer
It wasn’t when we did this video, now they’re doing reimbursements.
I did mine Oct 21 and was reimbursed, love the piece of mind
There’s no such thing as a 5th gen HD🙄
Heavy Duty
If your truck has a CP4 pump, watch this video: th-cam.com/video/AMNcV5X1WkA/w-d-xo.html