My 23 Pilot had a missing tire pressure sensor. I think it was scarier than serious but they took care of it and my car has been trouble free for a year, 12K, and I am happy with my decision. I did a lot of research on this engine before I signed on the dotted line. ‘Love your videos! Thank you!
A tire pressure sensor? That's like a $5 part. 10 years ago, we never had tire pressure sensors. We would actually spend 60 seconds and measure all 4 tires manually with a pressure gauge.
Early build ‘23 Elite owner with 17.5k miles now. Most reliable new Honda I’ve owned. Nothing has broken or stopped working so far. No warped rotors! Wireless charging is a bust IMO and have a 6.8mm panel gap on driver door (but still shuts with the typical Honda quality thud). Overall super smooth vehicle and very happy.
Thanks for sharing and happy your having an overall positive experience. Yeah the wireless charges across both Honda and Acura lineups are basically useless with my phone 😅
Recently, a Honda service advisor told me it won’t charge when Apple Car Play is connected (possibly draws too much power vs what can be recharged through wireless).
Correct, my previous new Hondas have had warped rotors, warped windshield moulding, bad head units, and other various recalls within year 1. It’s been different so far with my particular ‘23 Pilot.
Love the info as always.. I have a 2023 Honda Pilot Elite.. I love the vehicle... So do my family and friends.. I spoke so highly of the Pilot my brother went and got one.... As for issues only thing I have had problem with is passenger 2nd row electric automatic seat fold and slide not working anymore... Appt 1/19 Balise Honda in Springfield MA... I will drop a follow up in the comments when I find out what happened, why and how they addressed the situation... Thanks for all the great current content... Wish you and your family all the best in the new year...
So far in 2700 miles it has been amazing over the last 2 months. Super smooth and quiet. Nice solid quality interior with Zero squeaks rattles or anything over large bumps or small bumps. Smooth Jseries engine. Trans and awd is also smooth. Drive train is smooth as a luxury vehicle buy just not that powerful. Feels very well built. Inside and out. Top notch Bose system too. 24 elite black/brown interior looks sharp but in a very understated and under the radar type of way. Hope it’s built to last like my older Hondas and Acura.
@@brenttitus2134 it’s nothing for long term impressions of the vehicle. But it gives me a pretty good first impression. But that’s how it is with a car this new. We won’t know how they really are until about 5 years or more later. I’m hoping it’s kind of like my older Honda experiences that resulted in owning the car at least 15 years. Had previously owned since new a 1990 civic, 2005 accord coupe, 2003 Acura TL, 2010 civic, 23 crv and now this 24 pilot. Always kept the vehicle within our family. Always been great. But who knows how the 23 crv and 24 pilot will be like.
Thanks for your input and sounds like you’re having a great experience and hopefully it stays that way. I’ll be looking into getting into one soon, maybe at the MMC.
Thanks for the updates! I know this video refers to the 2023 Pilot but as a side note, in 2016 we purchased a brand new Honda Pilot Touring with the 9at. It currently has 58,000 miles and to date we have had absolutely no issues with it. Hoping with regular maintenance, it continues that way for several years to come as these are not cheap vehicles
2k miles on my 2024. Like others said, transmission downshifts for no reason if u take your foot off the gas. But the shifting up is smooth. My wife loves it.
I use eco mode and seems to be the smoothest I've personally found so far. Might be a lower power curve, but is smooth for me. 2024 Elite.@@BCautosolutions
No issues on these Pilots for us yet, but we haven't sold too many Pilots. Really hope they fixed the rotor issues. On my 3rd set in my Passport. Really trying to hold out for a new gen Passport, but every time I drive a new Pilot I seriously consider it even though I have no use for a 3rd row. It drives amazing.
Yeah they drive real nice and i prefer over the 6 and 9at, for that reason alone it’s worth it. Excited to see what the new passport looks like but for me at this point of my life I need a 3rd row. Seems like your on the other side of that coin 👍🏻
@@BCautosolutions I am probably the only person that really likes the ZF9. Older ones were really bad, but my 21 shifts great. Haven't done a transmission replacement on one yet. Mostly just TCM and shift button issues like you said in the vid. Have done a few 10 speeds. The older 6 speeds are non stop issues lately.
'23 Pilot Elite with 4000 miles. Only issue we've had is the battery was drained over night. Took the vehicle to the dealer and they could not figure out what drained it. Great car so far. I'm not real big on the high engine rev when starting from a stopped position
Great review! When you think of all the moving parts and tech in todays cars, and that this is a first year production, those are very minimal problems IMO.
No problem so far with my 23 Elite with 2500 miles but will have the dealer fix the pull strap for the third row seat when the first service is due because the velcro is facing the wrong way so the strap won't stay put!
Great review as usual, sad to see gear shifter goes into buttons as you mentioned too risky near the cup holders, and a nightmare if you have kids in the car.
You should see what BMW does. They have heated and cooled cupholders. You don't even have to spill the drink for it to break. The condensation off the cup alone kills the electronics.
Only annoyance in my 2500miles of ownership is a rough 8-7 downshift while cruising around 60-70mph. Repeatable every time and many others on the forums have commented on the same issue . Very little assistance from dealers stating “it is a trait of the car”. Hopefully a software update in the future will address it. Not a huge annoyance but to a lifelong manual transmission driver, it feels like a gear grind and makes me cringe. Rest of the shifts are butter smooth and if you are more aggressive with the throttle at this speed, it drops to 6th gear which goes in smooth.
@@BCautosolutions on forums I have read such issues in both the 23 & 24 models. My 23’ doesn’t seem to exhibit this problem. Also it seems some of the transmissions are made in Mexico.
@@downgeard ok just checked a 01/2023 production date pilot and no updates available on engine or trans. Will check every few months to see if something comes out.
Great review! When you think of all the moving parts and tech in todays cars, and that it’s a first year production model, that’s a very minimal list of small problems.
I wish the Pilot was also built in the Marysville plant where they currently build the RDX and MDX. I think that facility is better than the one in Alabama where the Pilot is built.
Tbh I talk to plenty of people both on service and body shop facilities and the build quality in the USA overall atleast for Honda and Acura is disappointing.
Appreciate the video! Looking to get the wife into a '24 later this year when interest rates come down. Especially with new cars and all the technology these days I think it's best avoiding the first model year of a redesign so they can work out the small issues.
Honda is offering 3.9% still, at least through the end of February. I don't know what credit score is required to qualify though. Money market accounts are paying 5% (for the time being) so that's what I did (take the 3.9% APR deal for 48 months.)
i have a 2023 Honda Pilot Trail sport, love your channel. I been looking for a video on how to install oil catch can, but can't find anything out there yet. i was wonder if you can do a video for it. Thank you
I have the Honda Pilot 2023 Elite. I too am also concerned about liquids and food dropping in the shifter console. I have had a very small accident or two wondering at which point will I see an issue. I did have an issue with Apple Car Play refusing to connect for about a week. And just like that the issue went away. Other than that…no issues and completely satisfied with my purchase. In it for the long term!
Happy New Year! If you have already covered (video) "sticky steering wheel" issue on some Honda and Acura vehicles, please point me in the right direction, so I can check it out. If not, could you please make a video about this, indicating the real issue and what is being done to remedy this. Thank you!
Happy new year. Yes I just made a video on this exact topic earlier this week, for now it’s just a civic inspection/replacement of steering rack recall.
Got our 23Elite at the beginning of Feb 23. We drive a lot and we're at 28k miles to date. Other than the puddle lights (known issue not exclusives to Pilots) being replaced at around 10k, there's been no issues. We had a 16 Pilot EXL that this replaced and it's light years ahead of the old generation cars.
@@BCautosolutions Thanks pal! Do you have a transmission fluid change video out? Looked through your videos and didn't see one. Need to do ours next oil change and want to see what I'm getting into.
Thanks very much for making this video - we just drove home a 2024 Pilot Elite yesterday, putting about 80 miles on it. Thankfully it was rattle-free (those really bug the crap out of me) as it should be brand new. Love it so far (for the 20 hours of ownership) 🙂 Do you know what running changes have been made on the assembly line since the 2023 came out? Hopefully those window problems have been addressed. Overall though it sounds like it's been a solid release of a brand new model. This is my first Honda, so I'm crossing my fingers that it will make me proud by running great for at least the next decade (we still have a 2001 Suburban so we keep our cars until the wheels fall off.) Quick question that you have probably addressed already: I'm a stickler for proactive maintenance, so, at what mileage would you recommend replacing the timing belt (and whatever is nearby)? I would much rather pay the price of the replacement belt versus the price of a new engine :-) :-) And what other maintenance do you suggest I do earlier than what the manual says? For example, I really like changing the oil on a new engine around 500 - 1,000 miles just to get any of the bits of metal that will come free like any other normal car engine. What do *you* suggest? And, if I pay for my own early oil change, will the Honda dealership change it (as part of the 2-year "free" maintenance) at the recommended interval, or must the light come on indicating 15% remaining oil life before they will do the change? So anything else that you think ought to be in the maintenance schedule that isn't, or ought to be at a more frequent interval, please let us all know. Thanks again, and Happy New Year!
First of all congrats and best luck. All the issues we encounter get reported back to Honda so hopefully they addressed those first year bugs and hiccups. I’m all about proactive maintenance, I have a video on this from a few months back. I personally like to do my first oil change at 1k, then at 2k, then every 3k from there one. Timing belt, water pump, and drive belt at 90-105k or at 7 year mark. It’s too early To tell if any seals may need to be addressed at that time due to the new vtc system but on the old engines (non vtc) no seals typically leaked with the exception of the oil pump seal, that’s a case by case situation. Keep up with the maintenance (all fluids every 30k, filters once a year, wipers every 6 months, rotates every other oil change and you should be in good shape. If you change your oil on your own and are trying to use the free maintenance just simply don’t reset the maintenance minder when doing your own oil changes and take it in when the 15% finally shows up.
@@BCautosolutionsThanks very much, I'll go find that video. What you say here sounds like excellent advice. I have an independent shop do my oil changes so I'll remind them not to reset the maintenance minder. Thanks again!
@@BCautosolutions Hey, thanks again for your help. In your initial reply to me, you said you have a video on maintenance. You have a lot of videos (which I greatly appreciate) so I want to be sure I'm watching the one you are specifically referring to. If you recall what video that would have been, I'd appreciate a title or link. Keep up the great work.
Our Elite has been solid overall until recently we noticed a water spot on the headliner. Pano roof leak they said it was the sunroof frame so they got that swapped out but still in shop since the headliner is on back order. Can’t wait to get it back been over a month.
@@BCautosolutionsup here in Canada where I’m located because of the snow and freezing rain, I get my vehicles without sunroof or panoroof due to those leaking concerns with any brand.
@@BCautosolutions If there had been an option for pano roof delete on the '24 Pilot Elite we just bought, I would have done that. I don't understand the giant sun roof craze, but, too each their own.
Hello! Love your videos, please keep sharing this important info. I have a 2023 Pilot EX-L that has been flawless until now. After taking the family to OCNJ for vacation I noticed when parking one night that the steering wheel/column was making a clicking sound when turning either way while parallel parking. Asked the wife if she heard this and she did also. We went to the boardwalk for a few hours and when we returned the steeringwas as quiet as usual. Weird right. Couple of nights later made the same drive and the clicking returned while parking! Came back 2 hrs later and no noise. Now it’s becoming a bit more frequent and I’m a little concerned. Others on the “piloteer”website have the same issue. I ran my VIN through the Honda website and no recall for steering rack on my model which was manufactured in 6/23. Have you heard of this issue and is there a fix? Been driving Hondas for 34 years and this is a first. Please advise, thank you!
@@JohnParke-s7h thanks for sharing! May be something as simple as a clock spring going bad. Take it to your local dealer and try to have the noise recorded before getting there. May help if they can’t duplicate on demand. Lmk what they come up with and best of luck!
i have the 2023 honda pilot base model and all my dashboard lights came on monday, went away then came back the next day. brought it into the dealership and was told the left rear wheel sensor needs to be replaced. i was told i was the 4th car to brought in for this issue - except the other 3 for the for the right rear wheel sensor. i have less than 5000 miles on mine and bought it in august
im having problems too I have 2023 pilot elite 4 times is been at the dealer, they change rear differential sensor. on the dashboard light saying "all wheel drive system problem only front wheels may be powered" they backorder on parts, they want to change the rear axel. honda pilot 2023 a lot of problems
I was able to fix my warped rotors on my 2020 Pilot by performing a brake bedding procedure. I was able to get the rotors hot enough to even out the brake pad material on the rotors. Still on the original pads and rotors with 87K kms (54K miles).
The fact that you gotta bed Honda brakes but not on any other manufacturer is crazy to me. Apparently people haven’t had brake issues on the 2023 Pilot though. Apparently they fixed this issue?
I have 18K miles on my elite. My puddle lights went out within a month. From what I hear the replacements stop working too, so I'm not even going to have them fixed. The other issue is when the HVAC fan is on during cold days something rattles until the cabin warms up. Again, not sure if it's even worth fixing. Plus it would be nearly impossible to replicate at the dealer by the time I drive there and it has warmed up. Other than that, I absolutely love my Pilot.
@@BCautosolutions As I'm slowing down I suppose it starts at 30 or 35 MPH, so I usually feel 2-3 gears grab. It feels exactly like if you were driving a manual tranny, downshifting but letting the clutch out quickly so there's an abrupt grab each time. I've seen a few other people in the forums with the same issue.
thank you for all the videos, can you show me where the AC drainage hose on the 2023 Honda Pilot Trail sport. i notice a bad smell coming out of my AC. I like to clean out the drainage hose to see if it help. Thank you
Got a 2024 Pilot a months ago. Adaptive Cruise Control randomly disengages on dry day. Windshield liquid sensor keeps lighting up every time I break. Taking to a dealer next week.
Not intended to be a smart-ass comment, but is your windshield washer fluid topped off? I had this happen on other vehicles where the fluid is just at the right spot for the light to not come on when driving, but the minute you apply the brakes, the fluid shifts in the reservoir to activate the low fluid level sensor.
@@BCautosolutions took it to the dealer and they replaced the faulty sensor. They were not able to reproduce the cruise control issue. I suspect the cruise control overheats and disengages, but not sure how to prove it.
Great car so far but only have 2700 miles on it. The right side door did lock and wouldn't open. Scheduled for hinda to take a look at it but then it started to work again🤷♂️
Does this ruin the headliners? And if so are they replacing it? Looking at getting a ‘24 if I can get the right price. Would hate to smell or see any water damage after a faulty panoramic roof!
@@DJ-kd1ff ours is dark grey interior, I'm not seeing anything right now, I'm sure it would given enough time or if it was light colour. haven't heard of it being an issue in the '24s
@@BCautosolutions dropped it off last Tuesday morning, picked it up after lunch on Thursday, had some good rain and wind since then so far no issues. Sunroof glass is now flush with frame. Service dep manager said it was faulty sunroof tray.
One BiG thing Irks me. Im in Canada and i got the 23 trailsport. It didnt come with all the 369 camera and other features like the US versions. I WISH i could have this corrected by Honda .
I have a tapping sound from the engine when I start it. Im not sure if it's lifter noise or direct injection. Is this normal? It does go away after the car is driven. Honda also short filled the oil by a qt which I'm not happy about.
My driver side puddle light just started flickering, and yeah it kinda makes it look a bit unreliable or cheap. When we first bought it the rear hatch harness was not staying attached/sealed where it enters the body and would have been letting water in coming off the roof, dealer fixed it quickly though.
I have 2023 model, I have had the puddle light issue twice on the front passenger door, also on the front passenger seat on the outboard side of the seat the plastic snap that holds the seat cover tight to the seat frame has come loose twice.
These newer engines seem to be thirsty for oil. My first oil change was done at 3k, which alert was given of low oil level of 50%. Current oil levels at 9k is 30% but I’m considering just adding oil cause honda care only covers 2 oil changes per year at due recommended 6k miles intervals. Bummer there are alot of issues in the first few thousand miles of owner ship. Starting to see they’re affecting the market value of these models and basically giving them out at drastically reduced below msrp prices these days since few many people would purchase them due to inventory build up and strategic production release.
Coming from toyota and changing into a pilot elit 23 from rav4 limited i can see the different pros and cons both brands have but overall quality control is very low on honda. Ny rav 4 was a model from japan not US or canada made, so quality control was tight but honda had paint spectcles i see fogging on my hood paint light painting over weld points. Welds not even grinded smooth is almost as if they were in a rush. Rear passenger seat had a big burn pattern like someone took an iron and pressed it against the seat. Honda dealer told me it was normal nd i can always have the seats changed under warranty "supposedly " My driver side puddle light went out. My driver rear seat in second row window shade rip off randomly and rolled back into the door. My passenger side roof rail had a loose weather strip somehow it came loose broke umoff and vonstantly whipped on the roof. Took it to the dealer they ripped it off and other new strip they said is on back order and i have to wait though. Ive nvr mounted anything on the roof racks so this was just failure. Maybe is a honda thing or a pilot thing but when you let go of the wheel the car always pulls left. I had 3 alignments done. Dont let them fool you with the automated aligment the machine reads when you bring your car into the honda dealer, most dealers have this new built in aligmenet in the floor where a computer reads your tire tread and alignemmet. I pused for a real alignemet done by the laser mavhine and they realized i did have a mis alginenent. They supposedly correct it but my car was still pulling left then they thought of aligning ny sterring wheel because my honda badge on my sterring whel was crooked. Car still pulls to the left. I gave up. The automatic cruise control, dont count on it it works when it wants to work. Itl pick days where the car whil drive onto another lane without reason. Is not consitent on my toyota i was able to let it steer without issues as long as is not a hard curve but with honda i cant trust it. All i can is the pilot is very spvious and is something toyotras dont really offer since they go for the low roof sporty roof. I tested it in the snow storm we had here in ny yesterday and there where some scary moments but regained control. It did well. I dont like the hard set safety features. The car wont accelerate if your door is ajar or open. Sometimes itl let you but innan emergency this can be fatal if your tryna run away from say.. a wild animal if your offroading or camping or a zombie hoard. Your car wont take offf because someone in panic left the door open. That to me is stupid. Also auto start will cool the car to 72 degrees only. Toyota lets u autor start and the car cools to wme setting you had it as in full balat ac on a hot day. I appreciate the setting it has on autostart for einter time , if is less than 42 degreess itl trun on the heated sterring wheel heared seats and heat the car to 72 degrees. I also appreciate honda giving us for free the roll down windows with key remote option. Sometjing toyota would charge you for. Like i said , theres pros and cons. If you get an elite please know the car is going to sag on the left read side. The rear left wheel has a compartment above it for the wheel replacement items, so the metal jack and bar and other equipemnt is all located there thus creating weight on the suspension so the car sags a little so dont go thinkin u have a bad tire or your suspension is bad. I advise you blast the heat on your new pilot when you get it to stress out the heater and get whatever new fumes it may produce. It is very toxic. When i started using the heat there would be times id get this horrible smeel of like burnt rubber or wires in the car. I assumed it was the heater off gasing since i got the car in the summer and i am now in the winter time. Ofgas it so u dont have to deal with it with your family. If your curious to what this smell is like youl always smell it when you step out of the car for soem reaosn when you get out of th pilot theres this heat wave under the car it bruns your legs and has a mechanical burnt smell. Same smell that sneaks inside the cabin with the heater. But is always there atleast in my pilot elite.
Even though I don’t’ have a pilot I’m making a comment because someone else might experience this issue. Have a 22 Passport, interior drivers side and passenger door handles are intermittently difficult to open, they just have a lot of resistance when actuating them and then most time they work normal. Just curious if you have seen this. Thanks
Yeah could well be. I think it’s a mixed bag here of reasons although none of them that truly concern me at this point. We shall see how they unfold long term tho.
Love my 2023 Honda pilot touring, no issues until today saw multiple errors including “transmission system problems and blind spot system problems” while the ‘D’ flashed between D and P. Very odd, have not had any issues otherwise and will be asking the dealership about it as when i take it for an oil change very soon. Would love to know your thoughts ow if anyone else has seen this.
@@kerry-annmittoo4586 we have not seen many trans issues. Just the 1 that needs a trans but it would not shift correctly. Is the light still on? do you live is a city environment? Has it been cooler at night?
@@BCautosolutionsI stopped the car for a good 45 minutes and parked in shade and the error messages disappeared. I do live in fort Lauderdale Florida, and it very hot here at the moment. So i was wondering if the temperature may have anything to do with it.
Because despite how updated it is, it's still a "J Series" engine. They have all had timing belts since introduced in 1996. It's technically not a brand new/all new engine.
Why timing chain? When I was looking to buy the Pathfinder the chain is recommended to be changed 88k to 120k miles. The Pilot every 60k miles to 100k miles or every 7yrs. My friend had a B18/B20 turbo charged Type R(DC 2, JDM) making 570whp running on a timing belt and that never gave. I had built B16/B20 NA EK3 (JDM) running 215whp on the factory timing belt no issues for years. We blew engines and gearboxes before a belt ever gave up. In fact Honda been run timing belts since the 60s. Now I moved to NA where there is a fear with timing belts and Turbos..why?
'Cuz timing belts are keewwwl! Complete the ensemble with a choke, spark-regulator, and a carburetor... and add an extra $10k to the MSRP. Or, just find an old Citation X-11 for kicks-n-giggles.
Done 2 engines at our dealer already. Same issue. Comprised rear bank head gasket. Both vehicles. Both had a split in the gasket in the same spot. Almost like when assembling the gasket they folded it. Other than that no real issues that arent major.
Appreciate your input, where was the split exactly? To be clear, short block and back head was replaced and sent back for research? Also were they overheating with coolant loss, misfiring, etc? Thanks
Honda wanted the engine intact. So both got long blocks. 1 was torn down and the other was replaced due to the same reason. We could put a scope in the cylinder and see exactly where the coolant was leaking. Matched the previous one we had torn apart. Concerns were no heat in cabin in the rear and white smoke on start up. No overheating. Split was right dead center along the rear gasket. Perfectly center on the middle cylinder hole. Top to bottom of gasket. Literally like it was folded.
@Hondamobilemechanic crazy part is the vins were twins. Made according to the VIN, right after one another. I don't think it will be an issue, likely just manufacturing error. Keep up the good work, love watching your videos!
Bought ours new a year ago…so far: leaking sunroof (dealer had it for 2-1/2 months waiting on parts). New headliner replacement, drivers seat motor failure, front windshield factory defect with spots in between laminated glass was replaced, rear brake light trim piece replaced because it was falling off…and only 10k miles. Worst Honda we have had. And that is a shame because we have bought Hondas for years.
5,600+ miles in and no issues mechanically. Will keep an eye on the seals. Only issue I’ve had is the front passenger regulator being changed under warranty. Seemed to have been an issue from factory as that was noted the first time I used the window during rainfall. Only other issue to bring to the dealers attention are the seam sealers. A few of them on the doors have not been applied properly. My driver’s door has this amd it’s usually where there are angles. I am aware of others having this as well (have seen pics). Seems to have improved as my friends 24 models doesn’t have it.
Remember the old HONDA slogan (WE MAKE IT SIMPLE ) boy do I long for those days !!!!! Remember the civic HF model (63 MPG and NO it wasn’t a hybrid !!)
well dealer said spool valve for VTEC and there are 2. and dripped on 02 sensor.. back i assume? quote from sheet.. spool valve leaking soaking 02 sensor , replaced spool valve , 6 sealing washers, o2 sensor @@BCautosolutions
2023 transmission shift rough not stable always a different shift... very uncomfortable...do tou hear any of this... hard shift from 1st to 2nd amd 3rd.... its jerky losses power on up hills etc
I did a few times I even email honda canada they said bring it to dealer ... I brought it in a 3 x and they say it's normal ... but it's not normal it's a lemon... I'm gonna try another dealer see what they say
@@BCautosolutions Here’s a summary of Honda’s VCM issues from 2018 to 2024: - **2018-2019 Honda Accord, Pilot, Odyssey**: Engine misfires, rough idling, and hesitation when VCM switched cylinders. Many owners also saw the **Check Engine Light** come on, and the system caused uneven engine wear. - **2020 Honda Ridgeline**: Jerky transitions between cylinder modes and **increased oil consumption** were the main complaints, causing engine wear. - **2021-2022 Honda Pilot, Accord**: VCM problems persisted with rough transitions and engine misfires, even though Honda began to move away from the system in favor of turbocharged engines. - **2023-2024 Honda Pilot**: Reports of **transmission lag** and **engine misfires** continued, and some users had to replace wiring harnesses. VCM-related issues have led some owners to disable the system themselves. These problems have continued without being fully resolved...
@@BCautosolutions So, you hit me with a simple “nope” like I'm wrong? Sounds like someone is in denial. Honda’s Variable Cylinder Management (VCM) issues have been widely reported for **years**-this isn't me making things up. Here’s the cold, hard truth: - **2018-2019 models** (Accord, Pilot, Odyssey) had **engine misfires**, **rough idling**, and issues with the VCM system causing **uneven engine wear**. It’s not a small issue, it’s documented by owners and mechanics alike. - **2020 models** (like the Ridgeline) had problems with **jerky transitions** between cylinder modes and **increased oil consumption**, causing engine wear. - **2023-2024 Honda Pilots** are still seeing reports of **engine misfires**, transmission lag, and wiring harness failures that have left cars in the shop for weeks. These problems have been brought up repeatedly by drivers, forums, and mechanics. People are even disabling the system themselves because Honda hasn’t properly fixed it. So, why exactly are you in denial? Do the homework, and stop ignoring the facts.
@@curtisjordan9210 yes most of those things you listed are: Injector failures for misfires Horrible trans maintenance causing the fluid to burn out and drivings horribly Failed torque converters And a normal vcm/non vcm transition which Honda has done a great job mitigating. Poor oil change practices (partially due to Hondas horrible algo) lead to more issues than anything. I personally have seen 0 oil consumption earth dreams j series engines even with bad maintenance. Not saying that there isn’t any.
Anyone had issues with a strange squealing noise in the rear? Just started happening today. Thought there was a rock in the wheel, but after research I found a Reddit form with the identical sound. Can’t find a solution to it.
@@BCautosolutionsyes, idk why my reply isn’t showing up from earlier. It’s not correlating with turning left/right or braking. Just seems to randomly happen at low speeds. It’s a very strange sound. Almost sounds like a high pitched screeching sound like someone is scratching the car, but the sound is coming from the rear passenger side.
@@BCautosolutionsI also found another guy in a Reddit thread that had the same exact problem on his 2023 trail sport, but he never addressed what the problem ended up being. I tried linking the Reddit post but it keeps deleting my comment when I do that.
@@cjwise7741 TH-cam doesn’t like links. Possible can be a small asphalt pebble stuck somewhere between rotor and backing plate contacting one another at times? If you have it diagnosed, please report back.
‘23 Pilot Elite with 8 K on the clock in 4 months. Puddle lights are out, on order. The charge pad is useless for my IPhone 14 Pro Max. Otherwise Just a blown tire, my fault and a curb. I can’t believe they still give you crappy scissor jacks. I guess having a spare tire is a plus these days.
Puddle light burn out after 2 weeks we got it. Now after 2 months the other puddle light burn out now too. Spray nozzle for the front camera is missing when we got it. Guy at honda service told that is the way it. Need to take a picture of the pilot in their showroom that mine has missing nozzle.
1 year and 20,000 miles on the odometer. Another 2 burnt out puddle lights. 3rd row headrest mechanism internally broke, warranty work for the dealer to tear apart the seat to replace it. Radio connectivity is less than stellar. Takes awhile for it to boot up. Gas mileage is definitely less than my 20 Pilot. Nice car but so many dumb little problems. I opted for the 120k extended warranty from Saccucci Honda online, a lot cheaper than the selling dealer.
Yes it happened twice on mine but other than that I haven’t had a single issue with the car and that’s why I watched this video because I am planning on getting a Pilot now. Your videos are great! 👍
Warning Honda Fraud! I purchased a 2023 Pilot Trailsport with the factory tow hitch, the day I planned on using it I realized it was missing the trailer wiring harness! 😡
Interesting suggestion. I have a 2020 RDX with the 2.0 turbo and it is a very torquey engine in low RPMs and has strong power. Smooth, too. Doubt it would be much of a gas mileage gain, however, over the V6.
@@FourTheWheels yeah they could give it a slight power bump or different turbo to shift power band around a bit too. Would be interesting to see mpg numbers.
DA...n panoramic roofs need to be OUTLAWED.. they're USELESS and STUPID.... nothing but leaks waiting to happen- as well as WEAKENING the structure of the vehicle.
Not going to buy one.. Toyota is where my money goes!! None of these issues.. this guy trying to minimize headaches for $40or$50,000 prices.. this is good to know to stay away !!!! Buy Toyota
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My 23 Pilot had a missing tire pressure sensor. I think it was scarier than serious but they took care of it and my car has been trouble free for a year, 12K, and I am happy with my decision. I did a lot of research on this engine before I signed on the dotted line. ‘Love your videos! Thank you!
That’s bizarre for sure. Awesome to hear the positive experience, thanks and best of luck.
A tire pressure sensor? That's like a $5 part. 10 years ago, we never had tire pressure sensors. We would actually spend 60 seconds and measure all 4 tires manually with a pressure gauge.
Early build ‘23 Elite owner with 17.5k miles now. Most reliable new Honda I’ve owned. Nothing has broken or stopped working so far. No warped rotors! Wireless charging is a bust IMO and have a 6.8mm panel gap on driver door (but still shuts with the typical Honda quality thud). Overall super smooth vehicle and very happy.
Thanks for sharing and happy your having an overall positive experience. Yeah the wireless charges across both Honda and Acura lineups are basically useless with my phone 😅
Recently, a Honda service advisor told me it won’t charge when Apple Car Play is connected (possibly draws too much power vs what can be recharged through wireless).
Most reliable at 17k lmao.
@@Justin-lc1xz to be fair his previous cars could have had trouble before that making his statement true.
Correct, my previous new Hondas have had warped rotors, warped windshield moulding, bad head units, and other various recalls within year 1. It’s been different so far with my particular ‘23 Pilot.
Love the info as always.. I have a 2023 Honda Pilot Elite.. I love the vehicle... So do my family and friends.. I spoke so highly of the Pilot my brother went and got one.... As for issues only thing I have had problem with is passenger 2nd row electric automatic seat fold and slide not working anymore... Appt 1/19 Balise Honda in Springfield MA... I will drop a follow up in the comments when I find out what happened, why and how they addressed the situation... Thanks for all the great current content... Wish you and your family all the best in the new year...
Thanks for the kind words and for sharing your experience. Communication and knowledge is key.
So far in 2700 miles it has been amazing over the last 2 months. Super smooth and quiet. Nice solid quality interior with Zero squeaks rattles or anything over large bumps or small bumps. Smooth Jseries engine. Trans and awd is also smooth. Drive train is smooth as a luxury vehicle buy just not that powerful. Feels very well built. Inside and out. Top notch Bose system too. 24 elite black/brown interior looks sharp but in a very understated and under the radar type of way. Hope it’s built to last like my older Hondas and Acura.
2 months and 2,700 miles don’t event count to know if it’s good or not.
@@brenttitus2134 it’s nothing for long term impressions of the vehicle. But it gives me a pretty good first impression. But that’s how it is with a car this new. We won’t know how they really are until about 5 years or more later. I’m hoping it’s kind of like my older Honda experiences that resulted in owning the car at least 15 years. Had previously owned since new a 1990 civic, 2005 accord coupe, 2003 Acura TL, 2010 civic, 23 crv and now this 24 pilot. Always kept the vehicle within our family. Always been great. But who knows how the 23 crv and 24 pilot will be like.
Thanks for your input and sounds like you’re having a great experience and hopefully it stays that way. I’ll be looking into getting into one soon, maybe at the MMC.
Me and my wife bought a 2024 AWD EX-L Pilot back at the end of December, brand new and it has 10,400 miles on it and we have loved it! No issues yet.
@@shaneyoung4963 awesome! Thanks for sharing
Thanks for the updates! I know this video refers to the 2023 Pilot but as a side note, in 2016 we purchased a brand new Honda Pilot Touring with the 9at. It currently has 58,000 miles and to date we have had absolutely no issues with it. Hoping with regular maintenance, it continues that way for several years to come as these are not cheap vehicles
Awesome, that’s for sharing. My 2019 pilot has 76k also zf9 and zero issues.
You can easily put another 300k miles on it
2k miles on my 2024. Like others said, transmission downshifts for no reason if u take your foot off the gas. But the shifting up is smooth. My wife loves it.
Thanks for sharing.
What mode do you have it on? Maybe thats why its down shifting. Sport?
@@wongchai807 that’s a possibility too, didn’t think of that.
I use eco mode and seems to be the smoothest I've personally found so far. Might be a lower power curve, but is smooth for me. 2024 Elite.@@BCautosolutions
@@darynm thanks for sharing
No issues on these Pilots for us yet, but we haven't sold too many Pilots. Really hope they fixed the rotor issues. On my 3rd set in my Passport. Really trying to hold out for a new gen Passport, but every time I drive a new Pilot I seriously consider it even though I have no use for a 3rd row. It drives amazing.
Yeah they drive real nice and i prefer over the 6 and 9at, for that reason alone it’s worth it. Excited to see what the new passport looks like but for me at this point of my life I need a 3rd row. Seems like your on the other side of that coin 👍🏻
@@BCautosolutions I am probably the only person that really likes the ZF9. Older ones were really bad, but my 21 shifts great. Haven't done a transmission replacement on one yet. Mostly just TCM and shift button issues like you said in the vid. Have done a few 10 speeds. The older 6 speeds are non stop issues lately.
@@VTECi yeah the 6at are by far the worst. I have no complaints really with the zf9 although I do prefere my 10at in my tlx 😅
'23 Pilot Elite with 4000 miles. Only issue we've had is the battery was drained over night. Took the vehicle to the dealer and they could not figure out what drained it. Great car so far. I'm not real big on the high engine rev when starting from a stopped position
Thanks for sharing and best of luck
so 4 million miles? or 4,000 aka 4k?
@@be4unvme 4k
Great review! When you think of all the moving parts and tech in todays cars, and that this is a first year production, those are very minimal problems IMO.
Couldnt agree more
They do look really nice. How do you like it compared to the previous gen?
I want to replace my 2019 with it although not having a tv for the kids is making me hold off. I’m not ready to give them iPads just yet 😅
No problem so far with my 23 Elite with 2500 miles but will have the dealer fix the pull strap for the third row seat when the first service is due because the velcro is facing the wrong way so the strap won't stay put!
Thanks for sharing, that’s such a silly mistake but none the less it deserves to be corrected
Same with mine but dealer has not corrected it and says it’s normal
@@BackDoor_Adventurer find a dealer willing to address your concerns 👍🏻
Great review as usual, sad to see gear shifter goes into buttons as you mentioned too risky near the cup holders, and a nightmare if you have kids in the car.
Exactly, which is most people buying a pilot myself included.
You should see what BMW does. They have heated and cooled cupholders. You don't even have to spill the drink for it to break. The condensation off the cup alone kills the electronics.
@@avery4528 yeah the concept is great but real world application is not realistic. Thanks for sharing
Only annoyance in my 2500miles of ownership is a rough 8-7 downshift while cruising around 60-70mph. Repeatable every time and many others on the forums have commented on the same issue . Very little assistance from dealers stating “it is a trait of the car”. Hopefully a software update in the future will address it. Not a huge annoyance but to a lifelong manual transmission driver, it feels like a gear grind and makes me cringe. Rest of the shifts are butter smooth and if you are more aggressive with the throttle at this speed, it drops to 6th gear which goes in smooth.
You have a 23? Are the 24s still reporting this? I’ll check for updates in the next few days see if anything is available.
@@BCautosolutions on forums I have read such issues in both the 23 & 24 models. My 23’ doesn’t seem to exhibit this problem. Also it seems some of the transmissions are made in Mexico.
@@BCautosolutionsYes, mine is a ‘23 June build. Look forward to hearing if you come across any additional info on this.
@@downgeard ok just checked a 01/2023 production date pilot and no updates available on engine or trans. Will check every few months to see if something comes out.
Great review! When you think of all the moving parts and tech in todays cars, and that it’s a first year production model, that’s a very minimal list of small problems.
I wish the Pilot was also built in the Marysville plant where they currently build the RDX and MDX. I think that facility is better than the one in Alabama where the Pilot is built.
Tbh I talk to plenty of people both on service and body shop facilities and the build quality in the USA overall atleast for Honda and Acura is disappointing.
Appreciate the video! Looking to get the wife into a '24 later this year when interest rates come down. Especially with new cars and all the technology these days I think it's best avoiding the first model year of a redesign so they can work out the small issues.
I agree, I would also highly recommend Honda care if your purchasing. It’s a well worth investment.
Honda is offering 3.9% still, at least through the end of February. I don't know what credit score is required to qualify though. Money market accounts are paying 5% (for the time being) so that's what I did (take the 3.9% APR deal for 48 months.)
@@jsfbay1 3.9 sounds like a tier one rate in todays market although i could be wrong.
i have a 2023 Honda Pilot Trail sport, love your channel. I been looking for a video on how to install oil catch can, but can't find anything out there yet. i was wonder if you can do a video for it. Thank you
I need a donor car.
I have the Honda Pilot 2023 Elite. I too am also concerned about liquids and food dropping in the shifter console. I have had a very small accident or two wondering at which point will I see an issue. I did have an issue with Apple Car Play refusing to connect for about a week. And just like that the issue went away. Other than that…no issues and completely satisfied with my purchase. In it for the long term!
I appreciate your feedback. Congrats and best of luck with it!
Happy New Year! If you have already covered (video) "sticky steering wheel" issue on some Honda and Acura vehicles, please point me in the right direction, so I can check it out. If not, could you please make a video about this, indicating the real issue and what is being done to remedy this. Thank you!
Happy new year. Yes I just made a video on this exact topic earlier this week, for now it’s just a civic inspection/replacement of steering rack recall.
Got our 23Elite at the beginning of Feb 23. We drive a lot and we're at 28k miles to date. Other than the puddle lights (known issue not exclusives to Pilots) being replaced at around 10k, there's been no issues. We had a 16 Pilot EXL that this replaced and it's light years ahead of the old generation cars.
Awesome, love to hear that. Thanks for sharing and best of luck.
@@BCautosolutions Thanks pal! Do you have a transmission fluid change video out? Looked through your videos and didn't see one. Need to do ours next oil change and want to see what I'm getting into.
@@blairellis642 I have one on the tlx type s, it’s the same process but easier. The chance I get to do one on a pilot, will make a video.
Would required way too much R&d and not enough return imo on its last legs of these ice engines would be my best guess.
No mechanical issues thus far (8K miles). The paint had some issues that were addressed by the dealer.
Thanks for sharing 👍🏻
Thanks very much for making this video - we just drove home a 2024 Pilot Elite yesterday, putting about 80 miles on it. Thankfully it was rattle-free (those really bug the crap out of me) as it should be brand new. Love it so far (for the 20 hours of ownership) 🙂 Do you know what running changes have been made on the assembly line since the 2023 came out? Hopefully those window problems have been addressed. Overall though it sounds like it's been a solid release of a brand new model. This is my first Honda, so I'm crossing my fingers that it will make me proud by running great for at least the next decade (we still have a 2001 Suburban so we keep our cars until the wheels fall off.)
Quick question that you have probably addressed already: I'm a stickler for proactive maintenance, so, at what mileage would you recommend replacing the timing belt (and whatever is nearby)? I would much rather pay the price of the replacement belt versus the price of a new engine :-) :-) And what other maintenance do you suggest I do earlier than what the manual says? For example, I really like changing the oil on a new engine around 500 - 1,000 miles just to get any of the bits of metal that will come free like any other normal car engine. What do *you* suggest? And, if I pay for my own early oil change, will the Honda dealership change it (as part of the 2-year "free" maintenance) at the recommended interval, or must the light come on indicating 15% remaining oil life before they will do the change?
So anything else that you think ought to be in the maintenance schedule that isn't, or ought to be at a more frequent interval, please let us all know. Thanks again, and Happy New Year!
First of all congrats and best luck.
All the issues we encounter get reported back to Honda so hopefully they addressed those first year bugs and hiccups.
I’m all about proactive maintenance, I have a video on this from a few months back. I personally like to do my first oil change at 1k, then at 2k, then every 3k from there one. Timing belt, water pump, and drive belt at 90-105k or at 7 year mark. It’s too early
To tell if any seals may need to be addressed at that time due to the new vtc system but on the old engines (non vtc) no seals typically leaked with the exception of the oil pump seal, that’s a case by case situation. Keep up with the maintenance (all fluids every 30k, filters once a year, wipers every 6 months, rotates every other oil change and you should be in good shape. If you change your oil on your own and are trying to use the free maintenance just simply don’t reset the maintenance minder when doing your own oil changes and take it in when the 15% finally shows up.
@@BCautosolutionsThanks very much, I'll go find that video. What you say here sounds like excellent advice. I have an independent shop do my oil changes so I'll remind them not to reset the maintenance minder. Thanks again!
@@jsfbay1 exactly! Best of luck with it.
@@BCautosolutions Hey, thanks again for your help. In your initial reply to me, you said you have a video on maintenance. You have a lot of videos (which I greatly appreciate) so I want to be sure I'm watching the one you are specifically referring to. If you recall what video that would have been, I'd appreciate a title or link. Keep up the great work.
@@jsfbay1 here you go:
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Our Elite has been solid overall until recently we noticed a water spot on the headliner. Pano roof leak they said it was the sunroof frame so they got that swapped out but still in shop since the headliner is on back order. Can’t wait to get it back been over a month.
Sorry to hear and thanks for sharing.
@@BCautosolutionsup here in Canada where I’m located because of the snow and freezing rain, I get my vehicles without sunroof or panoroof due to those leaking concerns with any brand.
@@alvinsimba734 smart choice
@@BCautosolutions If there had been an option for pano roof delete on the '24 Pilot Elite we just bought, I would have done that. I don't understand the giant sun roof craze, but, too each their own.
@@jsfbay1 I agree it’s more headaches then it’s worth it imo. I have a sunroof in my tlx and the shade is always closed.
Hello! Love your videos, please keep sharing this important info. I have a 2023 Pilot EX-L that has been flawless until now. After taking the family to OCNJ for vacation I noticed when parking one night that the steering wheel/column was making a clicking sound when turning either way while parallel parking. Asked the wife if she heard this and she did also. We went to the boardwalk for a few hours and when we returned the steeringwas as quiet as usual. Weird right. Couple of nights later made the same drive and the clicking returned while parking! Came back 2 hrs later and no noise. Now it’s becoming a bit more frequent and I’m a little concerned. Others on the “piloteer”website have the same issue. I ran my VIN through the Honda website and no recall for steering rack on my model which was manufactured in 6/23. Have you heard of this issue and is there a fix? Been driving Hondas for 34 years and this is a first. Please advise, thank you!
@@JohnParke-s7h thanks for sharing! May be something as simple as a clock spring going bad. Take it to your local dealer and try to have the noise recorded before getting there. May help if they can’t duplicate on demand. Lmk what they come up with and best of luck!
i have the 2023 honda pilot base model and all my dashboard lights came on monday, went away then came back the next day. brought it into the dealership and was told the left rear wheel sensor needs to be replaced. i was told i was the 4th car to brought in for this issue - except the other 3 for the for the right rear wheel sensor. i have less than 5000 miles on mine and bought it in august
Yes, we are seeing some of them with water in the connector.
@@BCautosolutions honestlly i have no idea what that means lol im just hoping no more issues arise this is my first honda
@@SueGGGGGG seems like may have to have a revision, luckily they are simple to swap.
im having problems too I have 2023 pilot elite 4 times is been at the dealer, they change rear differential sensor. on the dashboard light saying "all wheel drive system problem only front wheels may be powered" they backorder on parts, they want to change the rear axel. honda pilot 2023 a lot of problems
@@palomadavid5755 sorry to hear, lmk what the final solution is please.
Any issues with the rear camera crapping out? Mine still functions but it’s very colorful with a lot of purple hue
@@ChuckNorrizzed haven’t had that concern but it’s possiblen
I was able to fix my warped rotors on my 2020 Pilot by performing a brake bedding procedure. I was able to get the rotors hot enough to even out the brake pad material on the rotors. Still on the original pads and rotors with 87K kms (54K miles).
The fact that you gotta bed Honda brakes but not on any other manufacturer is crazy to me. Apparently people haven’t had brake issues on the 2023 Pilot though. Apparently they fixed this issue?
I have 18K miles on my elite. My puddle lights went out within a month. From what I hear the replacements stop working too, so I'm not even going to have them fixed. The other issue is when the HVAC fan is on during cold days something rattles until the cabin warms up. Again, not sure if it's even worth fixing. Plus it would be nearly impossible to replicate at the dealer by the time I drive there and it has warmed up. Other than that, I absolutely love my Pilot.
You correct on both counts. Thanks for sharing you experience and best of luck going forward.
I forgot about another gripe. I can't stop smoothly because of how aggressively the transmission grabs the gears on downshifts.
@@Scott144K any gear in particular?
@@BCautosolutions As I'm slowing down I suppose it starts at 30 or 35 MPH, so I usually feel 2-3 gears grab. It feels exactly like if you were driving a manual tranny, downshifting but letting the clutch out quickly so there's an abrupt grab each time. I've seen a few other people in the forums with the same issue.
thank you for all the videos, can you show me where the AC drainage hose on the 2023 Honda Pilot Trail sport. i notice a bad smell coming out of my AC. I like to clean out the drainage hose to see if it help. Thank you
Yes, let me look on one and I’ll make a video
Thank you so much
@@MinhTran-ei5dp ✅
Got a 2024 Pilot a months ago. Adaptive Cruise Control randomly disengages on dry day. Windshield liquid sensor keeps lighting up every time I break. Taking to a dealer next week.
Sorry to hear, lmk what the outcome is please.
Not intended to be a smart-ass comment, but is your windshield washer fluid topped off? I had this happen on other vehicles where the fluid is just at the right spot for the light to not come on when driving, but the minute you apply the brakes, the fluid shifts in the reservoir to activate the low fluid level sensor.
@@Sensfan-dk5ro no it was the faulty sensor. Took it to the dealer, they replaced it free of charge.
@@BCautosolutions took it to the dealer and they replaced the faulty sensor. They were not able to reproduce the cruise control issue. I suspect the cruise control overheats and disengages, but not sure how to prove it.
@@AkbarNurlybayev as long as it’s fixed, maybe they saw a code in the history that’s pointed them in the right direction.
Great car so far but only have 2700 miles on it. The right side door did lock and wouldn't open. Scheduled for hinda to take a look at it but then it started to work again🤷♂️
I would ask them to replace that door latch assembly. Hopefully they do the right thing.
Have a 23 Pilot with May23 build date, currently have the moonroof water issue, scheduled to have unit repaired/replaced on Tuesday
Let me know how it goes
Does this ruin the headliners? And if so are they replacing it? Looking at getting a ‘24 if I can get the right price. Would hate to smell or see any water damage after a faulty panoramic roof!
@@DJ-kd1ff if there are stains the headliner should get replaced
@@DJ-kd1ff ours is dark grey interior, I'm not seeing anything right now, I'm sure it would given enough time or if it was light colour. haven't heard of it being an issue in the '24s
@@BCautosolutions dropped it off last Tuesday morning, picked it up after lunch on Thursday, had some good rain and wind since then so far no issues. Sunroof glass is now flush with frame. Service dep manager said it was faulty sunroof tray.
One BiG thing Irks me. Im in Canada and i got the 23 trailsport. It didnt come with all the 369 camera and other features like the US versions. I WISH i could have this corrected by Honda .
honestly I think the features should be the same for USA and Canada for sure. I hear you on that.
I have a tapping sound from the engine when I start it. Im not sure if it's lifter noise or direct injection. Is this normal? It does go away after the car is driven. Honda also short filled the oil by a qt which I'm not happy about.
My driver side puddle light just started flickering, and yeah it kinda makes it look a bit unreliable or cheap.
When we first bought it the rear hatch harness was not staying attached/sealed where it enters the body and would have been letting water in coming off the roof, dealer fixed it quickly though.
Thanks for sharing. Hopefully Honda can get their act together with those puddle lights
I have 2023 model, I have had the puddle light issue twice on the front passenger door, also on the front passenger seat on the outboard side of the seat the plastic snap that holds the seat cover tight to the seat frame has come loose twice.
@@rickalvarez2832 sorry to hear and thanks for sharing
These newer engines seem to be thirsty for oil. My first oil change was done at 3k, which alert was given of low oil level of 50%. Current oil levels at 9k is 30% but I’m considering just adding oil cause honda care only covers 2 oil changes per year at due recommended 6k miles intervals. Bummer there are alot of issues in the first few thousand miles of owner ship. Starting to see they’re affecting the market value of these models and basically giving them out at drastically reduced below msrp prices these days since few many people would purchase them due to inventory build up and strategic production release.
50% means oil life not oil quantity. I hope you didn’t add oil without checking the dipstick first.
Can you reset the transmission computer by putting the car in accessory mode and holding the accelerator down until the check engine light goes off?
@@davewilson7602 yes
Can you do a video like this on the 23 Accord?!?!
It’s coming next month 👍🏻
@@BCautosolutions Looking forward to it!
Coming from toyota and changing into a pilot elit 23 from rav4 limited i can see the different pros and cons both brands have but overall quality control is very low on honda. Ny rav 4 was a model from japan not US or canada made, so quality control was tight but honda had paint spectcles i see fogging on my hood paint light painting over weld points.
Welds not even grinded smooth is almost as if they were in a rush.
Rear passenger seat had a big burn pattern like someone took an iron and pressed it against the seat. Honda dealer told me it was normal nd i can always have the seats changed under warranty "supposedly "
My driver side puddle light went out. My driver rear seat in second row window shade rip off randomly and rolled back into the door. My passenger side roof rail had a loose weather strip somehow it came loose broke umoff and vonstantly whipped on the roof. Took it to the dealer they ripped it off and other new strip they said is on back order and i have to wait though. Ive nvr mounted anything on the roof racks so this was just failure.
Maybe is a honda thing or a pilot thing but when you let go of the wheel the car always pulls left. I had 3 alignments done. Dont let them fool you with the automated aligment the machine reads when you bring your car into the honda dealer, most dealers have this new built in aligmenet in the floor where a computer reads your tire tread and alignemmet. I pused for a real alignemet done by the laser mavhine and they realized i did have a mis alginenent. They supposedly correct it but my car was still pulling left then they thought of aligning ny sterring wheel because my honda badge on my sterring whel was crooked. Car still pulls to the left. I gave up.
The automatic cruise control, dont count on it it works when it wants to work. Itl pick days where the car whil drive onto another lane without reason. Is not consitent on my toyota i was able to let it steer without issues as long as is not a hard curve but with honda i cant trust it. All i can is the pilot is very spvious and is something toyotras dont really offer since they go for the low roof sporty roof. I tested it in the snow storm we had here in ny yesterday and there where some scary moments but regained control. It did well.
I dont like the hard set safety features. The car wont accelerate if your door is ajar or open. Sometimes itl let you but innan emergency this can be fatal if your tryna run away from say.. a wild animal if your offroading or camping or a zombie hoard. Your car wont take offf because someone in panic left the door open. That to me is stupid.
Also auto start will cool the car to 72 degrees only. Toyota lets u autor start and the car cools to wme setting you had it as in full balat ac on a hot day.
I appreciate the setting it has on autostart for einter time , if is less than 42 degreess itl trun on the heated sterring wheel heared seats and heat the car to 72 degrees. I also appreciate honda giving us for free the roll down windows with key remote option. Sometjing toyota would charge you for.
Like i said , theres pros and cons.
If you get an elite please know the car is going to sag on the left read side. The rear left wheel has a compartment above it for the wheel replacement items, so the metal jack and bar and other equipemnt is all located there thus creating weight on the suspension so the car sags a little so dont go thinkin u have a bad tire or your suspension is bad. I advise you blast the heat on your new pilot when you get it to stress out the heater and get whatever new fumes it may produce. It is very toxic. When i started using the heat there would be times id get this horrible smeel of like burnt rubber or wires in the car.
I assumed it was the heater off gasing since i got the car in the summer and i am now in the winter time. Ofgas it so u dont have to deal with it with your family. If your curious to what this smell is like youl always smell it when you step out of the car for soem reaosn when you get out of th pilot theres this heat wave under the car it bruns your legs and has a mechanical burnt smell. Same smell that sneaks inside the cabin with the heater. But is always there atleast in my pilot elite.
Even though I don’t’ have a pilot I’m making a comment because someone else might experience this issue. Have a 22 Passport, interior drivers side and passenger door handles are intermittently difficult to open, they just have a lot of resistance when actuating them and then most time they work normal. Just curious if you have seen this. Thanks
I have not seen that particular issue. I would take it to your local dealer, possible something going on with the latch or cable.
@3:19 that’s what she said! But in all seriousness, are some of these quality issues related to the auto worker’s struck that’s been going on?
Yeah could well be. I think it’s a mixed bag here of reasons although none of them that truly concern me at this point. We shall see how they unfold long term tho.
Love my 2023 Honda pilot touring, no issues until today saw multiple errors including “transmission system problems and blind spot system problems” while the ‘D’ flashed between D and P. Very odd, have not had any issues otherwise and will be asking the dealership about it as when i take it for an oil change very soon. Would love to know your thoughts ow if anyone else has seen this.
@@kerry-annmittoo4586 we have not seen many trans issues. Just the 1 that needs a trans but it would not shift correctly. Is the light still on? do you live is a city environment? Has it been cooler at night?
@@BCautosolutionsI stopped the car for a good 45 minutes and parked in shade and the error messages disappeared. I do live in fort Lauderdale Florida, and it very hot here at the moment. So i was wondering if the temperature may have anything to do with it.
@@kerry-annmittoo4586 it’s very possible. If it comes back, try to pick up on any pattern
@@BCautosolutionsthanks will look out for it and keep a video record.
@@kerry-annmittoo4586 perfect
Surprised that they kept a timing belt. Why not go to a timing chain.
Because despite how updated it is, it's still a "J Series" engine. They have all had timing belts since introduced in 1996. It's technically not a brand new/all new engine.
Don't wanna spend money on R&D
Why timing chain? When I was looking to buy the Pathfinder the chain is recommended to be changed 88k to 120k miles. The Pilot every 60k miles to 100k miles or every 7yrs.
My friend had a B18/B20 turbo charged Type R(DC 2, JDM) making 570whp running on a timing belt and that never gave. I had built B16/B20 NA EK3 (JDM) running 215whp on the factory timing belt no issues for years. We blew engines and gearboxes before a belt ever gave up. In fact Honda been run timing belts since the 60s. Now I moved to NA where there is a fear with timing belts and Turbos..why?
@@sizzlacalunjibecause it’s an expensive maintenance item every 100k miles and you don’t have to worry with timing chains?
'Cuz timing belts are keewwwl! Complete the ensemble with a choke, spark-regulator, and a carburetor... and add an extra $10k to the MSRP.
Or, just find an old Citation X-11 for kicks-n-giggles.
Is it normal for the rear brake pads to wear out faster than the front in a 10th gen accord?
Yes it is
Done 2 engines at our dealer already. Same issue. Comprised rear bank head gasket. Both vehicles. Both had a split in the gasket in the same spot. Almost like when assembling the gasket they folded it. Other than that no real issues that arent major.
Appreciate your input, where was the split exactly? To be clear, short block and back head was replaced and sent back for research? Also were they overheating with coolant loss, misfiring, etc? Thanks
Honda wanted the engine intact. So both got long blocks. 1 was torn down and the other was replaced due to the same reason. We could put a scope in the cylinder and see exactly where the coolant was leaking. Matched the previous one we had torn apart. Concerns were no heat in cabin in the rear and white smoke on start up. No overheating. Split was right dead center along the rear gasket. Perfectly center on the middle cylinder hole. Top to bottom of gasket. Literally like it was folded.
@@willdickson6761 crazy! And to see it twice is concerning. Either way, really appreciate you sharing this. Hope you’re staying busy.
@Hondamobilemechanic crazy part is the vins were twins. Made according to the VIN, right after one another. I don't think it will be an issue, likely just manufacturing error. Keep up the good work, love watching your videos!
@@willdickson6761 let’s hope so. Thanks dude
window visors are 🔥🔥🔥
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Bought ours new a year ago…so far: leaking sunroof (dealer had it for 2-1/2 months waiting on parts). New headliner replacement, drivers seat motor failure, front windshield factory defect with spots in between laminated glass was replaced, rear brake light trim piece replaced because it was falling off…and only 10k miles. Worst Honda we have had. And that is a shame because we have bought Hondas for years.
Sorry to
Hear about your experience, thanks for sharing
Thanks for your content and videos…allot of good info👍
@@roberthannold6099 thank you
5,600+ miles in and no issues mechanically. Will keep an eye on the seals. Only issue I’ve had is the front passenger regulator being changed under warranty. Seemed to have been an issue from factory as that was noted the first time I used the window during rainfall.
Only other issue to bring to the dealers attention are the seam sealers. A few of them on the doors have not been applied properly. My driver’s door has this amd it’s usually where there are angles. I am aware of others having this as well (have seen pics). Seems to have improved as my friends 24 models doesn’t have it.
Thanks for sharing your experiences ✅
@@BCautosolutionsnp appreciate you videos as well.
Remember the old HONDA slogan (WE MAKE IT SIMPLE ) boy do I long for those days !!!!! Remember the civic HF model (63 MPG and NO it wasn’t a hybrid !!)
Yup, those days are gone although they still keep it more simple then other brands.
Absolutely. There's nothing worse than something over-engineered on-the-cheap.
Dealership had to replace the catalytic converter and an oxygen sensor on my 2024 pilot trail sport with 6k on it.
@@petegonzalez9304 thanks for sharing
Do Honda Passport and Honda Pilot have different engines and transmission?
Yes they do. Current passport has j35 single overhead camshaft vtec 9at.
Pilot: j35 dual overhead camshafts with vcm non vtec 10at.
@@BCautosolutions Which do you consider to be better?
@@t.k.morris old j with new 10at would be perfect combo imo
@@BCautosolutions Thank you. What would you buy today new?
@@t.k.morris the new pilot just for that 10at
Great job Brayan
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The middle row right seatbelt chime keeps going off over though there is someone there and seatbelted. Is there an easy fix for this?
Have your dealer look at it, nothing I’ve seen yet.
I just unplug the connection under the seat. Thanks anyway @@BCautosolutions
@@bored-trader no problem
When should you change timing belt
@@JoelDenley 7 years or 105k whatever comes first
had spool valve leak new that dripped on 02 sensor causing smoke and CE light.. rest ok so far..
Front or back bank?
well dealer said spool valve for VTEC and there are 2. and dripped on 02 sensor.. back i assume? quote from sheet.. spool valve leaking soaking 02 sensor , replaced spool valve , 6 sealing washers, o2 sensor @@BCautosolutions
@@tf5640 thanks, glad it’s fixed
2023 transmission shift rough not stable always a different shift... very uncomfortable...do tou hear any of this... hard shift from 1st to 2nd amd 3rd.... its jerky losses power on up hills etc
@@DelleDonne28912 no, may have an issue with your trans. Have your local dealer drive it
I did a few times I even email honda canada they said bring it to dealer ... I brought it in a 3 x and they say it's normal ... but it's not normal it's a lemon... I'm gonna try another dealer see what they say
@@DelleDonne28912 keep us posted with their findings if any.
@@DelleDonne28912 Try different transmission modes if you have a choice like Sport instead of Econ or Normal ??
Also. There is NO WAY to lock the vehicle while its running???
With the key in the drivers door should do the trick.
Problems 😢😢
Only thing consistent is the window regulators. Overall not bad for first model yeah. The previous generation was a nightmare the first year
Cylinder deactivation is what led me to buy the older Highlander V6. It's a much better engine.
@@curtisjordan9210 the earth dreams (besides the incorrect bearing ones) have been ultra reliable. Vcm has not been an issue
@@BCautosolutions Here’s a summary of Honda’s VCM issues from 2018 to 2024:
- **2018-2019 Honda Accord, Pilot, Odyssey**: Engine misfires, rough idling, and hesitation when VCM switched cylinders. Many owners also saw the **Check Engine Light** come on, and the system caused uneven engine wear.
- **2020 Honda Ridgeline**: Jerky transitions between cylinder modes and **increased oil consumption** were the main complaints, causing engine wear.
- **2021-2022 Honda Pilot, Accord**: VCM problems persisted with rough transitions and engine misfires, even though Honda began to move away from the system in favor of turbocharged engines.
- **2023-2024 Honda Pilot**: Reports of **transmission lag** and **engine misfires** continued, and some users had to replace wiring harnesses. VCM-related issues have led some owners to disable the system themselves.
These problems have continued without being fully resolved...
@@curtisjordan9210 nope
@@BCautosolutions So, you hit me with a simple “nope” like I'm wrong? Sounds like someone is in denial.
Honda’s Variable Cylinder Management (VCM) issues have been widely reported for **years**-this isn't me making things up. Here’s the cold, hard truth:
- **2018-2019 models** (Accord, Pilot, Odyssey) had **engine misfires**, **rough idling**, and issues with the VCM system causing **uneven engine wear**. It’s not a small issue, it’s documented by owners and mechanics alike.
- **2020 models** (like the Ridgeline) had problems with **jerky transitions** between cylinder modes and **increased oil consumption**, causing engine wear.
- **2023-2024 Honda Pilots** are still seeing reports of **engine misfires**, transmission lag, and wiring harness failures that have left cars in the shop for weeks.
These problems have been brought up repeatedly by drivers, forums, and mechanics. People are even disabling the system themselves because Honda hasn’t properly fixed it.
So, why exactly are you in denial? Do the homework, and stop ignoring the facts.
@@curtisjordan9210 yes most of those things you listed are:
Injector failures for misfires
Horrible trans maintenance causing the fluid to burn out and drivings horribly
Failed torque converters
And a normal vcm/non vcm transition which Honda has done a great job mitigating.
Poor oil change practices (partially due to Hondas horrible algo) lead to more issues than anything.
I personally have seen 0 oil consumption earth dreams j series engines even with bad maintenance. Not saying that there isn’t any.
Hood struts foreal. For 54k no hood struts?
That’s what I said.
Anyone had issues with a strange squealing noise in the rear? Just started happening today. Thought there was a rock in the wheel, but after research I found a Reddit form with the identical sound. Can’t find a solution to it.
Rotational? While turning?
@@BCautosolutionsyes, idk why my reply isn’t showing up from earlier. It’s not correlating with turning left/right or braking. Just seems to randomly happen at low speeds. It’s a very strange sound. Almost sounds like a high pitched screeching sound like someone is scratching the car, but the sound is coming from the rear passenger side.
@@BCautosolutionsI also found another guy in a Reddit thread that had the same exact problem on his 2023 trail sport, but he never addressed what the problem ended up being. I tried linking the Reddit post but it keeps deleting my comment when I do that.
@@cjwise7741 TH-cam doesn’t like links. Possible can be a small asphalt pebble stuck somewhere between rotor and backing plate contacting one another at times? If you have it diagnosed, please report back.
Could be oxidation on the brake rotors. If it goes away after using the brakes a few times, I would say that is what you are experiencing.
‘23 Pilot Elite with 8 K on the clock in 4 months. Puddle lights are out, on order. The charge pad is useless for my IPhone 14 Pro Max. Otherwise Just a blown tire, my fault and a curb. I can’t believe they still give you crappy scissor jacks. I guess having a spare tire is a plus these days.
Do you regret buying it? I might get a 24 elite
Yeah sounds about right, those wireless chargers are completely useless. Your right about having a spare, that seems to be a thing of the past 😅
Puddle light burn out after 2 weeks we got it. Now after 2 months the other puddle light burn out now too. Spray nozzle for the front camera is missing when we got it. Guy at honda service told that is the way it. Need to take a picture of the pilot in their showroom that mine has missing nozzle.
1 year and 20,000 miles on the odometer. Another 2 burnt out puddle lights. 3rd row headrest mechanism internally broke, warranty work for the dealer to tear apart the seat to replace it. Radio connectivity is less than stellar. Takes awhile for it to boot up. Gas mileage is definitely less than my 20 Pilot. Nice car but so many dumb little problems. I opted for the 120k extended warranty from Saccucci Honda online, a lot cheaper than the selling dealer.
Bought 2 transports. zero issues. 1 has 25k, the other 12k
Awesome! Glad to hear.
What happened to Honda quality
mine's a guzzler😢6 KM per litre only!!
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2024 had an oil leak from the top of the engine at 1000 miles. Dealer repaired.
Solenoid? Guess there might have been odor and smoke?
Was it a leaking valve cover? My 2019 Type R had that problem too. Easy fix.
@@planetfabulous5833 that’s a common issue on the type r 💯
Yes it happened twice on mine but other than that I haven’t had a single issue with the car and that’s why I watched this video because I am planning on getting a Pilot now. Your videos are great! 👍
@@planetfabulous5833 glad to hear, thanks for watching and best of luck with the pilot if you do get it 👍🏻
Warning Honda Fraud! I purchased a 2023 Pilot Trailsport with the factory tow hitch, the day I planned on using it I realized it was missing the trailer wiring harness! 😡
I don’t think it’s fraud although it should come with the harness lol
Under the hood is filthy!
Yep, it’s getting a detail asap.
I’ll bet you really miss the FAKRA problems like they had in the last generation. Lol
Don’t even say that word 😅
Seat Squeaking noise:
th-cam.com/users/shortsOsJLxzFDCI4
2. Noise at the right structure of the car: th-cam.com/video/xc9yQvN2Zrg/w-d-xo.html
Way those would drive me nuts. Sounds like may need a seat and some felt tape on the A polar trim. Lmk how it turns out once the dealer addresses it.
they should put the Acura RDX engine in it.
You’re taking about the 2.0t?
Interesting suggestion. I have a 2020 RDX with the 2.0 turbo and it is a very torquey engine in low RPMs and has strong power. Smooth, too. Doubt it would be much of a gas mileage gain, however, over the V6.
@@FourTheWheels yeah they could give it a slight power bump or different turbo to shift power band around a bit too. Would be interesting to see mpg numbers.
Hondas lost me with a turbo and cvt
well this one is neither. 😅
DA...n panoramic roofs need to be OUTLAWED.. they're USELESS and STUPID.... nothing but leaks waiting to happen- as well as WEAKENING the structure of the vehicle.
Yeah great view but that’s about it
Not going to buy one.. Toyota is where my money goes!! None of these issues.. this guy trying to minimize headaches for $40or$50,000 prices.. this is good to know to stay away !!!! Buy Toyota
Toyota has issues too but do you, as long as you’re happy.
Toyotas have issues like when the 2018 Camrys were cutting out at high speeds. They had to do a recall.
@@terrencebenjamin7241 exactly, or when they were accelerating on their own, or frames rusting etc….
Don't feed the troll 🙂
@@BCautosolutions yup! All of that!