A rarety. Most reviews are "NUMBERS, LOOKS, HAS A WIRELESS PHONE CHARGING PAD, AnDrOiD Wireless!!!". This guy takes the time to show you what others won't.
I recently purchased this exact same vehicle. Honestly, I feel like I committed a sin by moving away from Toyota for the first time in my life, but I just can’t get on board with the 4cyl turbo in the GH. By watching your video, I feel a lot more comfortable and confident about my purchase. Thank you!
lol turbos have been around way longer than cylinder deactivation, if you’re going to have any modern car with a turbo or cd then you will have to service either at some point but the naturally aspirated vehicle should be more reliable regardless of cylinder deactivation.
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Notice AMD said in the past it was an issue. Why? Because the newer V6s have less prevalence of VCM issues versus pre 2015 I think. The good thing is if you don’t want to have VCM or don’t like the vibration when it’s active, then VCM can be disabled with VCM tuner 2.
This idiot really hates Tesla model Y and gave a super bad review on it. He never owned one. He just badmouth it so he could sell his stupid videos on TH-cam because he can’t make it as a Mechanic financially.!
Being a retired Honda mechanic I was always impressed by Honda's engineering, reliability and ease of maintaining. I still enjoy owning and driving my old 06 Pilot EX now with 246 k and still runs like new.
@@jamesjacobs592 I'd buy the shorter Honda Passport, Trailsport version if I was looking for a new suv. I'm single and don't need the extra seats of the Pilot. I'm ok with the mechanical upgrades but still very happy with my 06. I also own a newer 4x4 Ranger midsize pickup.
I have a question for you sir. I have an 07 ridgeline 155k bought it used I have no idea if a valve adjustment has been done. It's not loud and does not misfire runs great. Do I need a valve adjustment? Cam I wait to get one ? And how do a lot of honda v6 owners actually never get a valve adjustment and their some of their engines have well over 200k miles with a valve adjustment never done ?
Long term Toyota and Subaru fan here. I just got a 25 Pilot. No markups. Simple design concepts. Not too showy. Efficient enough. Capable enough for snow and soft road excursions. Everything is easy and smooth.
Looking at a 2025 Honda Pilot TrailSport. The only thing I don't like about it is the Auto Engine Idle Stop. You have to turn off the setting every time you get in and drive. Any issues with your new 25 Pilot?
@@kanbowhunter You either get used to it working or used to clicking the button. I had it on my new 24 Outback Wilderness I sold to buy the Pilot. That auto-stop-start became mandatory on all vehicles with keyless ignition in the US in September 22 so most cars have it. They have a cycle counter and can replace the starter at a specific interval of stop+starts so you don't end up stranded years down the road due to the starter wearing out. I turn mine off.
This is what I call a great car review.. one of the best .. seriously, car reviews should only be done by honest professional mechanics .. thank you sir ..
Thank God the Pilot got a good review I just purchased one last month. The Elite trim level has door lock and unlock with all four door handles. I love the car.
As a Honda/Toyota mechanic myself and having seen countless reviews on this generation Pilot, you still brought forth many bits of information that I didn't hear about before. Thank you AMD for your hard work and knowledge with these thorough technical reviews.
@@nipponautomotivellc I have an MDX that's nothing but a nightmare to me. It vibrates when it changes gear particularly 8th. When purchased I had an itch and trans cooler installed and they told me the vibration was due to the cooler.
@@Jamrock626what year MDX? The last generation, which I owned, had a ZF 9 speed, which has not gotten good reviews amongst owners in the MDX fb group. I own a pilot now and I’m glad this 10 speed has been smooth shifting
I've got one of these in the EX-L trim. After 7600 miles, so far no complaints. We needed a capable snow driving car, not high-clearance with trail-tires. It's not lacking power at all. Highway mileage is much better than expected at speed -- I averaged 23-24 mpg on a recent 1000 mile road trip on the west coast driving at "brisk"speeds over 65-75 the whole way in "eco-mode". Very comfortable, quiet, ride and a fantastic road trip machine. Brakes are huge and amazing. This car is pretty big - it feels and drives wider and bigger than Subaru Ascent and Toyota Highlander (my other candidates before buying) --it's the widest of the three. 3Rd row is comfortable for adults. I'd say ride is firm and comfortable not plush/squishy. Very little body roll when cornering. Adaptive cruise is very useful for highway driving, esp. the "follow" function but algorithm could use some tweaking as it won't hold the lane on a moderately high-g sweeping curve at highway speeds.
i'm thinking of the EX-L trim. it has everything i need and i don't want that mega sized moon roof that i will never use that comes standard with the touring and elite. my 2014 ridgeline and 2011 acura rl have them and we never use them. we just lost our 2010 pilot touring in an accident. 125k miles well maintained. i did bypass the vcm but not until around 100k miles.
Good deal. My 2008 Honda Pilot EX-L does not have the cylinder deactivation. When I drive around 65mph I get about 22mpg. I take off the roof rack, inflate the tires properly and always have good oil and transmission fluids. Oh, I also took out the 2nd and 3rd row seats to make the car lighter as I don't really need them on a daily basis.
With 7600 miles, your car is brand new. My (not Honda, but I like Honda) has 50K on it and still feels new. My other car (also not Honda) has 140K on it and doesn't feel new, but still drives better than many cars today.
I was a Honda fan, but switched to Toyota. I like Honda cars but Toyota trucks, thus I own a 5.7 liter Tundra (dislike turbos). I just took possession of my nephew’s 2000 Honda Accord, my project car. Both Honda and Toyota are excellent Japanese vehicles and both have their great contributions to the automotive world. Excellent review from AMD!
Just purchased 24 Pilot Touring. Your review helped me decide between the various vehicles in this class. Actual, useful information. Thank you for your efforts.
Cylinder Deactivation, Recall due to some issue with the damn gear bearings that could cause steering to lock, V6 but no Direct and Port injection, Timing belt. No VTEC. No hood lifters. I think I'd rather get the old school 4Runner 2024 and sacrifice - Sound system, Cabin NVH, Mileage, Old tech. And get better longevity, bulletproof Trans and Engine, off road king.
What Honda really nailed with this generation of their interior design is easy controls. Big dials that feel high quality and big buttons. The design isn't glitzy but it will age well and it can be learned quickly unlike some of the systems that bury everything in touchscreens.
@@justacinnamonbun8658I’m pretty sure the timing belt is to make ppl change the water pump and tensioner at the same time. Forced maintenance, if you will
Great thorough review. I just got the 23 Pilot Elite. I personally love it. See many great reviews...and some bad reviews. Most seem biased. Yours seemed straight up, honest and unbiased. Makes me feel better about my decision.
The Honda Pilot is the third longest lasting SUV with 42.7% passing 250k miles, that's even more than the 4Runner. Whether this new generation can live up to those numbers is to be seen.
Very interesting statistic. May I ask where you got this information? I’m also a 2013 Honda Pilot owner and have been very pleased with it and still have it. I just picked up a 2020 Toyota 4Runner and they feel very different. I know Honda is unibody construction while the 4Runner is body on frame. Still, I’m loving my 4Runner also!😀
I didn’t have any transmission issues. Interference engines require timing belt changes around 100k miles. Cost was $1600 back before Covid. Probably $2,500 or more now.
2,200 but it also covered an alternator that was going bad. 248,000 miles and still going. Transmission shifts rough but from what other mechanics like Scottie sat its normal, just gotta work with it and ignore the clanks or hard shifts. Overall it's gets the family around, my 2012 Nissan Sentra stranded me on the road at only 160,000. Still runs but needs work.
Been about 5 months with my Pilot and it’s just a great car in so many ways. There are so many cars to choose from in this category and I checked out most of them. I’m 10000% happy I went with the Pilot.
Oh my goodness… thank you for this video! I own a ‘23 pilot elite. My family have been Honda owners for almost 30 years. I’ve had my pilot for close to 4 months now, and it has such a smooth and quiet ride. You’re right with it being focused with the design of the interior. It’s a simple to the point brand. Nothing is perfect, but this is close enough! Thank you again for your take on this vehicle! Just got some extra reassurance!! Take care.
It is a trade-off, longer hook sacrificed cabin room; straight-line hook design increased blind spot in front of the vehicle. It is more masculine, with these trade-offs
This is the review you need if you're looking to buy this car. Very detailed, no nonsense (sorry the double negative) and to the points that prospective buyers will need to consider.
This was the first time I watched an entire review, It was not really due the Vehicle, it was because of your detailed focused review of the entire Vehicle. I will be subscribing! Thank you for the review!
Excellent review. Excellent reviewer. I got under my 2023 Ridgeline the other day just to look at its suspension and look at the overall assembly of the car. It looks like it came out of aircraft factory, so straightforward. Honda having so much racing experience on and offroad explains it’s exceptional ride and cornering. I hit purposely a large speed bump at 50mph and the truck remained perfectly level absorbing the bump flawlessly. Hats off.
At 21:30 mark. That is not a brake vent. It is for Aerodynamics; it is a Side curtain air vent. It directs air over outside of wheel to lower coefficient of Drag.
@@rafaelgarcia5974I appreciate your question. The Honda Pilot has a transverse engine with an embedded water pump and a timing belt vs a timing chain, all of which makes it prone to catastrophic failure which could destroy your engine or, if you're lucky, result in a crazy ($2000+) expensive repair. Honda is also infamous for producing poor transmissions. In all honesty, I don't know if that's the case with the Pilot. I say this as someone that wants to like Honda. Every time I try to buy one, they wind up turning me away.
We trade vehicles way too much and therefor, I watch a ton of car reviews. This has to be one of the best reviews I have ever watched. Expertly done and the information is unmatched. Looking at buying one of these this weekend. Well done sir!
About camera washers! On our Pilot 23 model the back washer is a BEAST! Whenever I am backing up and the camera is dirty, this little guy clears it up with one spray and I am rear parking like a boss. It was so much hustle before on our previous CRV with no washer. I really appreciate this camera washer.
I truly appreciate every technical review you do on all vehicles!!!! Very detailed and it gives us things to consider prior to purchasing. May the good Lord continue to bless you and your family!!
FYI, that vent in the front fascia exiting at the wheel arch leading edge ( 21:32 ) is not for the brakes, it creates a wind screen down the side of the car to prevent the tire wash from spoiling the aerodynamics. I.e. it lowers CdA and improves highway fuel efficiency.
I'm really looking forward to the updated Honda Passport Trail Sport! I don't need a 3 row but I want the room and V6. My 2010 Honda Accord V6 has been fantastic for over 10 years and 175,000 miles.
I bought one brand new. I disabled the cylinder deactivation and disabled the engine turn off when stopped. I had both little kits ready to go before the car had 100 miles on it. Now it'll last forever.
I bought my wife an Acura (basically a fancy Honda) years ago and what a wonderful vehicle that was, the engine was AMAZING. If the MDX interior wasn’t so ugly and was a tad larger I would have bought one when I switched to SUV.
Last winter I bought my 2008 Honda Pilot with 230 miles. It was the last year when Honda did NOT use the Variable Cylinder Management (cylinder deactivation). After redoing the suspension it runs like a new car - both the engine and the transmission are smooth and the suspension rides firm and sporty but not too firm and not too sporty.
I just retired my 2011 pilot for the 2025 Elite model. By far the best vehicle ive ever owned. it has everything you could ever want and doesnt leave any corner cut. Everything fells high quality and well made. I put 220k miles on my first pilot. Im determined to put 300k on this one. Absolutely beautiful vehicle, inside and out. i like the fact thats its very sophisticated looking. But also simple and not over done. Its not crying for attention, but it looks great. ive owned 7 Hondas over the years and they knocked it out the park with this one! Dare i say, the perfect suv! Super happy.
I live in Ottawa and I can attest to how useful the front and rear camera washers are during the winter. That spray is enough to bring back proper visibility to both cameras.
Not a fan of the fuel injector failures on the 16 and 17. I’ve had 2 replacements at 110K. Have a friend w a 17. Theirs failed too. Warranty is nice but ends at 150K. My 05 was built better.
Your reviews are the best I have ever seen and of course I subscribe to your channel and enjoy all your videos. Your made it so easy to eliminate this vehicle from my list as soon as you said cylinder deactivation and direct injection only.
I appreciate your review because it really showed how the engineers put their max attention to every inch of this car. The philosophy behind all the mechanics is also great
It’s a shame about the cylinder deactivation. Even Mazda is doing it on their SkyActiv G engines. Hopefully they have managed to engineer it better than they used to.
What?! I’m a Mazda person (though I do like Honda and Toyota)… imwas not aware Mazda was doing this…my 21 CX5 doesn’t have that…is it on the larger CX90 or small models too?
@@lizzieb6311 All Mazda 2.5L 4 CYL Skyactiv-G's have Cylinder Deactivation iirc. Your CX5 (2018+) will have Cylinder Deactivation, however it's probably seamless so you don't notice it. Unless you have the turbo model, your vehicle will most likely have it.
@@24GirlPanda thank you…I did not know that! I don’t have turbo..but I guess that’s why I love my Mazda so much…I don’t even notice it! Thank you for the info ♥
@@thecentralman yep you are correct. I wish AMD had mentioned this on his review of the 2023 CX5 because his review had basically convinced me to go with one over a Toyota, since the Mazda dealers were willing to work with the price a bit. I don’t know if I would have purchased the vehicle if I had known. I stick to 5k mile oil changes so I hope that preserves my engine even with the cylinder deactivation.
I just found your channel....this is the kind of reviews I really need when trying to purchase a new family vehicle. The info you provide is exactly what I want to know as a consumer.
Man…. I have just found your channel by accident. This is the first review on the mechanics side of the car. Great explanation with lots of knowledge. Keep up the good work.
When it comes to the Pilot they took a page out of Toyota’s history book. The ‘90s Camry was a Lexus ES300 under the skin and it’s the same with this Pilot; it’s a Acura MDX underneath. The A/C dual drains is because the evaporator is for the front and rear system. Unlike most who have a dedicated evaporator for the rear the Honda system uses one big evap that is divided and can be used independently front and rear. Mechanically the Honda AWD system with rear torque vectoring is the same one the MDX uses for its Super Handling AWD. I’m sure a few software tweaks will unlock the SH-AWD capability.
I was hoping you review this SUV. I really wanted a 4Runner but I needed something with more seating so went with this. Although it's a unibody design but I think Honda knows how to build a good frame. Simple and it works for me. And I'm happy about the newest safety features especially with all these heavy EVs everywhere.
Pretty good SUV.. But wish they would'a given it a traditional shifter (instead of push button).. I just like shifting with a traditional shifter much better..
It's a bit odd at first but after a few days of driving, I didn't think about it. Nice benefit is better access to center console which is great in this car.
@@magnoliap5824 im not sure why it even has them. once in a blue moon you might want to override auto but its already got electric “sport”,”towing” and “trail” modes which seem to shift the up/downshift points along the power curve. in any case, they don’t get in the way.
@@bigwave_dave8468 I'd use them to downshift and use engine braking going downhill. I wish my 1st gen Pilot had those, shifting its old-school gear lever on the steering column is less convenient than paddles. And you do need that when driving in the mountains. A few weeks ago going down from Pikes Peak, I saw (and smelled) a car ahead of me that was on the brakes almost all the time to the point it even started smoking. Lucky for him, there was a brake check station a thousand feet ahead where every car got stopped and its brake temps were checked, so he got sent to a parking lot to cool them off
We have a Pilot from the 2nd year (2016) of the previous version which this car is heavily based upon. While not as inexpensive to maintain as previous older gen Hondas it has been very good. One thing I wanted to share is gas mileage with the Honda Dreams cylinder deactivation on the 3.5L V6. When we drive ours without heavy acceleration, we can squeeze 30-32 mpg highway out of it on long road trips which we believe is excellent fuel economy for a vehicle of this size. I have my nits I would pick on about this vehicle, mostly related to the AC climate control and the infotainment systems but otherwise very pleased with this car.
I am not one to comment alot but i wanted to take this time to say thank you for doing these reviews. I very much appreciate it and now look at all of your reviews just to further my knowledge of cars also. Thank you.
There’s a smart VCM deactivator that tricks coolant temperature so the the deactivation doesn’t happen. If the coolant overheats it lets the actual readings through.
Interesting comment on the exhaust systems on Honda's. I've owned several. All had well over 100,000 miles and never had an issue with an exhaust system.
I find your channel to be really helpful. Im an aircraft mechanic by profession and do alot of the maintainance of my wrangler. In the market for a new vehicle since my wrangler gas 313k miles and rising, so will be needing a new vehicle soon. Your reviews do help me see things from a technical point of view .Alot of other channels that do car reviews..dont really get into the guts and bones of the vehicles but rather talk about how good the car looks etc. Good job sir.
I wanted either a pilot or a grandhighlander but i ended up buying the grandhighlander with 2.4 turbo i just feel like its more reliable yes it does have a turbo but that the only thing i have to worry about it has no timing belts no direct injection no cylinder deactivation system!!
My 2010 Honda Accord V6 EX-L has been fantastic to own for over a decade. At 175,000 miles I'm finally looking at a repair for the cylinder deactivaton system and some small leaks.
LOL that's me. My 2010 Honda Accord V6 EX-L has about 70,000 miles now and I recently discovered S-VCM controller and am looking forward to installing this device to prevent my car from burning oil.
I follow a honda tech on TH-cam, he constantly shows the 1.5 turbos blowing head gaskets. The previous generation pilots transmissions go out. My brother had a pilot with the bad transmission. My younger brother has a civic that the ac compressor keeps going out. Honda has been replacing it under warranty but still an issue. Because of that I decided to stay with Toyota when my 2008 Yaris had low compression on cylinder #2. It still runs so I gave it to my pops to drive around town.
Been waiting on this review, not for the pilot, but anticipating the Ridgeline refresh. Timing belt and the expense that comes with it concerns me, along with direct injection only. Seems pretty solid overall. Nice review as always.
@@thinbrickspec77 yeah but timing chains should last the life of the car, a timing belt is a known high ticket item. It has to be done at a certain interval or you risk blowing an engine.
Love this review, the info about the new engine is gold! Talking a about the tensioner and other aspects of the new engine is stuff I've never seen anywhere else.
I had a 2014 V6 Accord. Amazing engine. Got between 6-7 litres per 100 with it. I put 300,000 kms on it and it’s at almost 500,000 kms now with the second owner. I would definitely buy this Pilot over the Grand Highlander and it’s turbo.
The Highlander I4 Light Turbo will outlast the crappy Honda V6 at least three to one. The Honda V6 uses a rubber timing chain. When it goes the engine blows. When the water pump goes out the engine blows. There is no port injection so the engine will carbon up. The Honda V6 is famous for oil consumption and dead cylinders. I4 engines actually last much longer than V6s.
You are a HUGE HELP for us of those who care more about the dependability and how to maintain a vehicle more than the minor design tweaks that a vehicle may get. You help me out so much deciding what’s best for me and my family. Thank you.
I heard many stories of the VCM engine issues, but I never had issues with my 2012 Honda Crosstour, I had it for 95,000 miles without issues and was more than often running on 3 cylinders. My in-laws also had a 2017 Honda Odyssey and didn't have any issues either. Not sure what trigger that issue. I'm very happy that they brought back the full front center console though.
VCM can cause difference in the wear of the cylinders. When a neighboring cylinder is running it is obviously at a higher temperature than the ones that are not running. This can cause warping. Eventually, the piston rings start scraping on the block walls and the car starts burning oil. If you maintained your car properly (e.g. did regular oil changes with good oil and filters) this would not appear until about 100k miles. There are ways to deactivate the VCM and I have seen many people do so to preserve their engines. A slightly less important issue is the motor mounts and transmission mounts which are designed to be activated in a certain way when the VCM is active. They can wear off faster than regular motor mounts.
It's actually a bit difficult to locate definitive proof that VCM causes major engine damage. My mechanic 'gut' tells me the idea is bad, and there are plenty of horror stories on the web, but try to find more than 1 or 2 stories from people who actually had issues is harder than you'd expect for something with such a bad public perception. That said, I did install a VCM defeat device (VCM Tuner II) in our '15 Pilot, and you'd never know any of that stuff was there. Good piece of mind for $130.
@@loualexander3408this is one of my concerns. Correct me if wrong, but when the vcm kicks on and you have only 3cyl running it's either all 3 on one side or 2:1, either way without all cylinders running they're not counter-balancing eachother therefore creating more/diff vibrations in the motor which would then cause a motor mount vibration dampener to wear out quicker...is that what you're getting at?
Man...I don't know how I found your review but I am about to buy a New Pilot. I already own a 2010 Pilot but it's time to get a knew one for reliability and dependable out of town trips. This is an indepth review and exactly what I need to reassure myself to get a knew one. Thank you for your works and experiences in this field . May god bless you and your family.
Excellent review. If cylinder deactivation can be defeated / selected with a button then okay but if that is forced on you, then that's a deal breaker for me. Its a shame its under powered because Honda really got so many things right on this update. Also not a fan of DI only but time will tell if that is any concern. Great job keeping the passenger cabin safe too.
@ctbale1 I was asked if the S-VCM tuner would work on the new double camed engine. That is a question I am not able to answer. Is a modified version available if needed? Needless to say/write, I would definitely recommend one from the problems it causes. I put one on my 19’ Pilot with no issues so far. As far as the pilot being underpowered, I disagree. Once the warranty is up, one could throw on a supercharger if one has the ‘Need For Speed.’
There is a tuber out there that has a 120k passport and when taking the top off, the system was very clean for DI. Doesn’t seem to be an issue at all. It’s a very high compression engine.
Had a 2010 with severe engine problems due to engine deactivation mechanism fouling up the spark plugs due to oil filling the deactivated cylinder(s). Will never again get cylinder deactivating car, or a car with timing belt. Great review!
@3:45 - Yikes, needless to say anything else about cylinder deactivation. @6:09 - “Honda is not been known for problematic carbon build up” with all due respect I disagree. Sir if you ever come to CO I’m ready to show two 3rd gen Pilots with injector failures around 35K miles including one Pilot got it twice so far, Honda is going to cover it for 100K or 120K if I’m not mistaken per the letter. On YT we can still see the issue even on 2022 MDX. My friend also got surprised to find out per owners manual on 3rd gen Pilot that its only rated for 3500lbs towing. If needed to tow more the dealership need to install after market ATF cooler. (No kidding, its stated in the owners manual.) Hopefully no more the case with the new transmission in this 2024 Pilot. @17:26 - 1in lift on trail sport is really awesome which get it in 8in clearance territory like a Highlander. @20:45 - I do like those type of tires as if anyone hit gravel roads & forest roads with family its best to have such tires with added protection against punctures and these newer tires don’t really make much noise on highways imo. @33:22 I thought you will say about the timing belt as thing you don’t like. Especially with a longer timing belt. I thought you would also say about the button shifter (a) you have to look down to make sure what you are doing and (b) that is an area you was liquids when you are on a trip, hopefully not spill anything on those buttons.
For my Honda Odyssey i bought a bypass for the cylinder deactivation. So my car always runs on all 6 cylinders. Have been using it for 4 years now. 11:23
We have a 2018 pilot that just turned 100,000 miles. I recently replaced the timing belt and adjusted the valves. I’ve left the VCM intact and it uses no oil. The valve train looked new (use Motul Eco-Lite 0W-20 since new changed per MM). The intake valves were surprisingly clean. This engine has two injector pulses during intake, the first being while the intake valves are open. Apparently it has some secondary effect to clean the valve head.
We chose the pilot touring over the Toyota grand highlander, because the second row was far superior and the Honda pilot we got what we wanted it was maybe $15,000 cheaper than an equivalent Toyota grand highlander
Which trim of the grand highlander were you looking at? I'm 90 percent in for buying the limited grand highlander hybrid but come Dec 2024 if it's too hard to get I may just go Honda pilot trail sport or elite.
@@jerzs1363 can say for Elite, which is the same Touring. It drives as a sporty car despite be a big SUV. Just put in Sport mode and you will be fast enough to challenge almost anybody on the road, except EV.
You're reviews are awesome! Only feedback I have is to focus more on the specs comparing 3rd row leg room + comfort + trunk volume to competitors. Maybe start using a standard double stroller or 2 suitcases to put in the trunk so we can see how much room we really have. For anything with a 3rd row, I promise the families (me) watching it, care a TON about the back area of the car in making a decision. ESPECIALLY because everyone is backordered and we can't go to dealerships to ever see one of these in person. Thank you!
His reviews are more in depth than just rattling off a bunch of specs. You can look them up from the manufacturer or a third party source like Edmunds in a matter of seconds. But realistically, you need to see them for yourself. A model may have less cargo space on paper, but be more useful if it's laid out properly vs a larger area with a ton of intrusions, like the Highlander that has a roof strength bar that drops the height of what it can accommodate.
My sister asked me which suv to buy for herself and her baby. I recommended her the 2025 pilot. We are going to get it tomorrow. This video was a big help.
Just a note, the paddle shifters, if you think about it, are more for controlling gear selection in a multi-speed Automatic. If you want to hold 3rd or 4th gear or 7th or 8th gear, you would have no way of doing it without the paddles.
Thank you so much for going into depth concerning this revised engine. After a very bad VCM experience with my 2012 Accord, I became skeptical. After all the issues Honda is very aware of, they double down and get even more complicated and, in my opinion, stupid. I've owned four J series engines now, a J30 from 2006, which was excellent, no VCM. The J35 that blew up at 130,000, its replacement, and my current J35 with 71,000 on the clock. VCM is a bad deal. Maybe a 1 mpg gain while putting the engine at risk. It's no risk to Honda and their warranty, only for the owners that believed Honda used to mean quality. When my engine blew up due to VCM failure, I chalked it up to just being "one of those things" and I immediately bought a 2017 Accord V6 while my car was in the shop for a new engine. I should've bought a Lexus ES350 instead at the time. VCM is a ticking bomb and I don't recommend any Honda with it. (Edit) I have owned 7 Hondas since 1992. I have always been a fan until fairly recently. For peace of mind anymore if your plan is long term ownership from new is to just go with Toyota and Lexus.
Very good review, I bought the 2025 Pilot Trailsport after watching this and a few other comparison reviews. You are right it is the simplicity that sold me on the car. The only option I wish the had was to delete the moon roof.
If this engine is as good as the engine that was in my 2004 Acura MDX... you will be good to go for 400,000 miles or more without any problems. I bought a Ridgeline vs many other pickups due to the trouble free 3.5 engine.
It's the torque that affects the acceleration and AWD contributes a 20% reduction in performance to the wheels compared to 10% for FWD. I'm concerned about cylinder deactivation the most but I guess you could have it reprogrammed. I really like the style, functionality and serviceability. Some of my favorite vehicles have been Honda's.
Can you though? Not to my knowledge. Just janky systems to install that change the vehicles reception of engine temp, which effects the cooling system function
Our Honda odyssey has paddle shifters, I love them. Never use them except when going up or downhill. Especially downhill. That way you hardly have to use the brakes. Also a great Honda thing is the second position for the hood. It can go 90 degrees. Just like Mercedes. Makes service a lot easier. Thank you for this review!
This dude is definitely one of the best car reviewers out there. So in depth and straightforward.
A rarety. Most reviews are "NUMBERS, LOOKS, HAS A WIRELESS PHONE CHARGING PAD, AnDrOiD Wireless!!!". This guy takes the time to show you what others won't.
And you can barely find ANY mechanical reviews these days either. I based my purchase off of his review too!
CCN and SavageGeese are the only reviewers worth watching
@@cadel5840 Agree
Well, because of how he presents cars I don't see any manufacturers inviting him to any press release or an auto show.
I recently purchased this exact same vehicle. Honestly, I feel like I committed a sin by moving away from Toyota for the first time in my life, but I just can’t get on board with the 4cyl turbo in the GH. By watching your video, I feel a lot more comfortable and confident about my purchase. Thank you!
I’d take a 4cyl turbo over NA with cylinder deactivation.
Turbos haven’t been proven problematics but CD absolutely has.
lol turbos have been around way longer than cylinder deactivation, if you’re going to have any modern car with a turbo or cd then you will have to service either at some point but the naturally aspirated vehicle should be more reliable regardless of cylinder deactivation.
Toyota Highlander Hybrid was a great choice & never feel under powered but it is cvt & not direct drive AWD like in Honda or VW but the electric motors do a good job of pulling out of sticky situation👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Notice AMD said in the past it was an issue. Why? Because the newer V6s have less prevalence of VCM issues versus pre 2015 I think.
The good thing is if you don’t want to have VCM or don’t like the vibration when it’s active, then VCM can be disabled with VCM tuner 2.
@@sizzlacalunji already tons of reports of vibration
I respect a Toyota guy who doesn’t hate on Honda. Honda is not perfect. Neither is Toyota. But game respects game!
This idiot really hates Tesla model Y and gave a super bad review on it. He never owned one. He just badmouth it so he could sell his stupid videos on TH-cam because he can’t make it as a Mechanic financially.!
So you’re a Honda fan? 😂
Thats why I like his reviews he looks at it as a mechanic!
@@erikgonzalez2278 He is an Idiot when it comes to Teslas! he criticizes a design because it’s aerodynamic. He’s a real POS.
Most Japanese brands are respectable.
Chinese & Korean brands are cheaper but also come with problems...see more
Being a retired Honda mechanic I was always impressed by Honda's engineering, reliability and ease of maintaining. I still enjoy owning and driving my old 06 Pilot EX now with 246 k and still runs like new.
I have an 07 with 135k miles and the rear subframe rusted out. Luckily I saw and had it fixed, but it is a problem for those who lives up north.
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Would you buy the 2023 Honda pilot?
@@jamesjacobs592 I'd buy the shorter Honda Passport, Trailsport version if I was looking for a new suv. I'm single and don't need the extra seats of the Pilot. I'm ok with the mechanical upgrades but still very happy with my 06. I also own a newer 4x4 Ranger midsize pickup.
I have a question for you sir. I have an 07 ridgeline 155k bought it used I have no idea if a valve adjustment has been done. It's not loud and does not misfire runs great. Do I need a valve adjustment? Cam I wait to get one ? And how do a lot of honda v6 owners actually never get a valve adjustment and their some of their engines have well over 200k miles with a valve adjustment never done ?
Long term Toyota and Subaru fan here. I just got a 25 Pilot. No markups. Simple design concepts. Not too showy. Efficient enough. Capable enough for snow and soft road excursions. Everything is easy and smooth.
Looking at a 2025 Honda Pilot TrailSport. The only thing I don't like about it is the Auto Engine Idle Stop. You have to turn off the setting every time you get in and drive. Any issues with your new 25 Pilot?
@@kanbowhunter You either get used to it working or used to clicking the button. I had it on my new 24 Outback Wilderness I sold to buy the Pilot. That auto-stop-start became mandatory on all vehicles with keyless ignition in the US in September 22 so most cars have it. They have a cycle counter and can replace the starter at a specific interval of stop+starts so you don't end up stranded years down the road due to the starter wearing out. I turn mine off.
same here ne 2025 myself and couldn't be happier.
@@wescami want a Keyed car then. Start Stop is just unaceptable Lame to myself
What kind of mpg are you getting?
This is what I call a great car review.. one of the best ..
seriously, car reviews should only be done by honest professional mechanics ..
thank you sir ..
I’ve said it before …but he’s top of the heap. His under car review is absolutely the best thing on TH-cam. Just the perfect walk through!
Thank God the Pilot got a good review I just purchased one last month. The Elite trim level has door lock and unlock with all four door handles. I love the car.
Waiting for mine to be delivered this will make our 10th Honda. We just can't beat the longevity I run most of mine well over 200k.
As a Honda/Toyota mechanic myself and having seen countless reviews on this generation Pilot, you still brought forth many bits of information that I didn't hear about before. Thank you AMD for your hard work and knowledge with these thorough technical reviews.
Have you work on any Acura products
@@Jamrock626 yes though not many. Mostly on Hondas/Toyotas.
@@nipponautomotivellc I have an MDX that's nothing but a nightmare to me. It vibrates when it changes gear particularly 8th. When purchased I had an itch and trans cooler installed and they told me the vibration was due to the cooler.
@@Jamrock626 sounds a bit fishy to me though haven't come across this issue before. Not sure what could cause it.
@@Jamrock626what year MDX? The last generation, which I owned, had a ZF 9 speed, which has not gotten good reviews amongst owners in the MDX fb group. I own a pilot now and I’m glad this 10 speed has been smooth shifting
I wanted a reliable 3 row for my family trips. I did a lot of research and bought a 22 Pilot. I'm glad I did.
I also just bought a 22 pilot for my wife. It's a great suv. Fun to drive. Super safe and reliable for my wife and our 11 month old.
I've got one of these in the EX-L trim. After 7600 miles, so far no complaints. We needed a capable snow driving car, not high-clearance with trail-tires. It's not lacking power at all. Highway mileage is much better than expected at speed -- I averaged 23-24 mpg on a recent 1000 mile road trip on the west coast driving at "brisk"speeds over 65-75 the whole way in "eco-mode". Very comfortable, quiet, ride and a fantastic road trip machine. Brakes are huge and amazing. This car is pretty big - it feels and drives wider and bigger than Subaru Ascent and Toyota Highlander (my other candidates before buying) --it's the widest of the three. 3Rd row is comfortable for adults. I'd say ride is firm and comfortable not plush/squishy. Very little body roll when cornering. Adaptive cruise is very useful for highway driving, esp. the "follow" function but algorithm could use some tweaking as it won't hold the lane on a moderately high-g sweeping curve at highway speeds.
i'm thinking of the EX-L trim. it has everything i need and i don't want that mega sized moon roof that i will never use that comes standard with the touring and elite. my 2014 ridgeline and 2011 acura rl have them and we never use them. we just lost our 2010 pilot touring in an accident. 125k miles well maintained. i did bypass the vcm but not until around 100k miles.
Good deal. My 2008 Honda Pilot EX-L does not have the cylinder deactivation. When I drive around 65mph I get about 22mpg. I take off the roof rack, inflate the tires properly and always have good oil and transmission fluids. Oh, I also took out the 2nd and 3rd row seats to make the car lighter as I don't really need them on a daily basis.
I have the 2004 honda pilot have 330 miles on it still drives great even on snowy winter.
I have the 2019 Passport Elite and get better MPG with ECO Mode off.
With 7600 miles, your car is brand new. My (not Honda, but I like Honda) has 50K on it and still feels new. My other car (also not Honda) has 140K on it and doesn't feel new, but still drives better than many cars today.
I was a Honda fan, but switched to Toyota. I like Honda cars but Toyota trucks, thus I own a 5.7 liter Tundra (dislike turbos). I just took possession of my nephew’s 2000 Honda Accord, my project car. Both Honda and Toyota are excellent Japanese vehicles and both have their great contributions to the automotive world. Excellent review from AMD!
Just purchased 24 Pilot Touring. Your review helped me decide between the various vehicles in this class. Actual, useful information. Thank you for your efforts.
Cylinder Deactivation, Recall due to some issue with the damn gear bearings that could cause steering to lock, V6 but no Direct and Port injection, Timing belt. No VTEC. No hood lifters. I think I'd rather get the old school 4Runner 2024 and sacrifice - Sound system, Cabin NVH, Mileage, Old tech. And get better longevity, bulletproof Trans and Engine, off road king.
I’m glad to see you reviewing different brands on your channel and focusing on the mechanical/technical aspect of things
What an absolute professional. Well done.
What Honda really nailed with this generation of their interior design is easy controls. Big dials that feel high quality and big buttons. The design isn't glitzy but it will age well and it can be learned quickly unlike some of the systems that bury everything in touchscreens.
What good is the interior, buttons and infotainment system when you can't make a proper engine. Timing belt (still), GDI only and VCM. Gimme a break.
@@justacinnamonbun8658I’m pretty sure the timing belt is to make ppl change the water pump and tensioner at the same time. Forced maintenance, if you will
The new pilot has little tiny kind of cheap feeling dials...they arent as nice as the old ones.
Yes couldn't have said better myself. Other car and truck makers really really need to understand this.
@@justacinnamonbun8658 Honda builds some of best V6 engines on the planet. Dunce.
Great thorough review. I just got the 23 Pilot Elite. I personally love it. See many great reviews...and some bad reviews. Most seem biased. Yours seemed straight up, honest and unbiased. Makes me feel better about my decision.
The Honda Pilot is the third longest lasting SUV with 42.7% passing 250k miles, that's even more than the 4Runner. Whether this new generation can live up to those numbers is to be seen.
My 2000 excursion v10 i just sold had 250k
Very interesting statistic. May I ask where you got this information? I’m also a 2013 Honda Pilot owner and have been very pleased with it and still have it. I just picked up a 2020 Toyota 4Runner and they feel very different. I know Honda is unibody construction while the 4Runner is body on frame. Still, I’m loving my 4Runner also!😀
Just passed 300000 on my Dodge Durango. Still running strong!
What's the first 2 suvs?
@@rocketman3158 👍🏿sweet😎 those are rare
Thank you for all your time and effort as always!
Gave money and the guy couldn’t even take 10 seconds to say thanks?
Pretty pathetic IMO.
Timing Belt replacement was very expensive on our 2012 Honda Pilot, very reliable vehicle but with Todays inflation a Timing Chain is the way to go.
and Honda transmission worries me
I didn’t have any transmission issues. Interference engines require timing belt changes around 100k miles. Cost was $1600 back before Covid. Probably $2,500 or more now.
2,200 but it also covered an alternator that was going bad. 248,000 miles and still going. Transmission shifts rough but from what other mechanics like Scottie sat its normal, just gotta work with it and ignore the clanks or hard shifts. Overall it's gets the family around, my 2012 Nissan Sentra stranded me on the road at only 160,000. Still runs but needs work.
Been about 5 months with my Pilot and it’s just a great car in so many ways. There are so many cars to choose from in this category and I checked out most of them. I’m 10000% happy I went with the Pilot.
Oh my goodness… thank you for this video! I own a ‘23 pilot elite. My family have been Honda owners for almost 30 years. I’ve had my pilot for close to 4 months now, and it has such a smooth and quiet ride. You’re right with it being focused with the design of the interior. It’s a simple to the point brand. Nothing is perfect, but this is close enough! Thank you again for your take on this vehicle! Just got some extra reassurance!! Take care.
The new Honda Pilot also has very good styling, it’s the best looking Pilot to date. Our 2003 still runs great at 232K miles.
It is a trade-off, longer hook sacrificed cabin room; straight-line hook design increased blind spot in front of the vehicle. It is more masculine, with these trade-offs
Have you changed your timing belt at every 100k miles? If not your engine could fail at any time.
We own an 03 Pilot since birth, also. AC replaced 2x at $1500 each, but otherwise pretty darn reliable after 270K miles.
Finally… someone who is knowledgeable about automobiles. Thank you!
Nice to see a V6 instead of a turbo 4! Honda is hard to beat!
This is the review you need if you're looking to buy this car. Very detailed, no nonsense (sorry the double negative) and to the points that prospective buyers will need to consider.
This was the first time I watched an entire review, It was not really due the Vehicle, it was because of your detailed focused review of the entire Vehicle. I will be subscribing! Thank you for the review!
Have not seen a deactivation system that HAS not been a problem. Great video and review...better than Honda does them.
Excellent review. Excellent reviewer. I got under my 2023 Ridgeline the other day just to look at its suspension and look at the overall assembly of the car. It looks like it came out of aircraft factory, so straightforward. Honda having so much racing experience on and offroad explains it’s exceptional ride and cornering.
I hit purposely a large speed bump at 50mph and the truck remained perfectly level absorbing the bump flawlessly. Hats off.
Thanks for the Honda video! May the Lord bless you and keep you!😊
Second donation I saw that the dude couldn’t take the time out of his day to say thank you. Good TH-camr subpar person apparently.
@@frankiethefrog1752 Nah, he’s a good guy☺️! He’s busy with a full shop and 1M subscribers👍🏻! God bless his shop and channel!🙏🏼
At 21:30 mark. That is not a brake vent. It is for Aerodynamics; it is a Side curtain air vent. It directs air over outside of wheel to lower coefficient of Drag.
Your reviews are incredibly comprehensive and detailed, surpassing any TH-cam reviewer I've come across. Excellent work!
I felt it was superficial. It avoided some of the key pitfalls of the Pilot over time.
@@BillyBobDingledorflike what?
@@rafaelgarcia5974I appreciate your question.
The Honda Pilot has a transverse engine with an embedded water pump and a timing belt vs a timing chain, all of which makes it prone to catastrophic failure which could destroy your engine or, if you're lucky, result in a crazy ($2000+) expensive repair.
Honda is also infamous for producing poor transmissions. In all honesty, I don't know if that's the case with the Pilot.
I say this as someone that wants to like Honda. Every time I try to buy one, they wind up turning me away.
We trade vehicles way too much and therefor, I watch a ton of car reviews. This has to be one of the best reviews I have ever watched. Expertly done and the information is unmatched. Looking at buying one of these this weekend. Well done sir!
Your reviews are absolutely one of the best out there. Well laid out, thorough, understandable and to the point.
About camera washers! On our Pilot 23 model the back washer is a BEAST! Whenever I am backing up and the camera is dirty, this little guy clears it up with one spray and I am rear parking like a boss. It was so much hustle before on our previous CRV with no washer. I really appreciate this camera washer.
I truly appreciate every technical review you do on all vehicles!!!! Very detailed and it gives us things to consider prior to purchasing. May the good Lord continue to bless you and your family!!
FYI, that vent in the front fascia exiting at the wheel arch leading edge ( 21:32 ) is not for the brakes, it creates a wind screen down the side of the car to prevent the tire wash from spoiling the aerodynamics. I.e. it lowers CdA and improves highway fuel efficiency.
I'm really looking forward to the updated Honda Passport Trail Sport! I don't need a 3 row but I want the room and V6. My 2010 Honda Accord V6 has been fantastic for over 10 years and 175,000 miles.
I bought one brand new. I disabled the cylinder deactivation and disabled the engine turn off when stopped. I had both little kits ready to go before the car had 100 miles on it. Now it'll last forever.
where can you buy the kit.thanks
@@MrRusoloco Are you employed by any federal, state, county, or municipal government?
@@prun8893I'm not. Got a '19 Odyssey Elite. I'd like to buy a kit.
But, why bother, just buy something that's actually put-together better.
Does this void warranty? I'm truly curious.
I'm 4 minutes in and heard all I need to know. As a Silverado owner , I know cylinders deactivation is a nightmare.
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It can be easily deactivated though which if you expect to keep the car for a long time is a must to help prevent burning oil later on
Completely agree, but still prefer this over the new trend of undersizing the engine and slapping a turbo on it like every other model
if you're driving a Silverado, you've got way bigger problems than cylinder deactivation.
I still have a 2008 honda Odyssey with 150K miles on it and never had a problem with cylinder deactivation
This is the best car review I've watched...he started with the engine and delivered on everything else...💯👍
The only review that is a real true review of the things that matter. Thank you.
I bought my wife an Acura (basically a fancy Honda) years ago and what a wonderful vehicle that was, the engine was AMAZING. If the MDX interior wasn’t so ugly and was a tad larger I would have bought one when I switched to SUV.
Last winter I bought my 2008 Honda Pilot with 230 miles. It was the last year when Honda did NOT use the Variable Cylinder Management (cylinder deactivation). After redoing the suspension it runs like a new car - both the engine and the transmission are smooth and the suspension rides firm and sporty but not too firm and not too sporty.
2008 Pilots do have VCM. My 2006 has it. That was the first year they implemented it. 4WD models don’t have it. Is yours 4WD?
This is like SavageGeese but a little more in depth and without the savvy music and funny bits. I can greatly appreciate to the point information.
I just retired my 2011 pilot for the 2025 Elite model. By far the best vehicle ive ever owned. it has everything you could ever want and doesnt leave any corner cut. Everything fells high quality and well made. I put 220k miles on my first pilot. Im determined to put 300k on this one. Absolutely beautiful vehicle, inside and out. i like the fact thats its very sophisticated looking. But also simple and not over done. Its not crying for attention, but it looks great. ive owned 7 Hondas over the years and they knocked it out the park with this one! Dare i say, the perfect suv! Super happy.
I live in Ottawa and I can attest to how useful the front and rear camera washers are during the winter. That spray is enough to bring back proper visibility to both cameras.
Have zero interest in a mid-size SUV with a 4cyl . I'm glad Honda and other company's know people want a 6 cylinder for their SUV
I have no interest in an overhead cam crasher with a timing belt and DI only.
Not a fan of the fuel injector failures on the 16 and 17. I’ve had 2 replacements at 110K. Have a friend w a 17. Theirs failed too. Warranty is nice but ends at 150K. My 05 was built better.
Your reviews are the best I have ever seen and of course I subscribe to your channel and enjoy all your videos. Your made it so easy to eliminate this vehicle from my list as soon as you said cylinder deactivation and direct injection only.
I’ve been eyeballing this vehicle for a few weeks. This video makes me want it even more. I absolutely loved my old 05 Pilot.
Finally you make a video about Honda pilot that I been waiting for. Thank you!!!!
I appreciate your review because it really showed how the engineers put their max attention to every inch of this car. The philosophy behind all the mechanics is also great
It’s a shame about the cylinder deactivation. Even Mazda is doing it on their SkyActiv G engines. Hopefully they have managed to engineer it better than they used to.
What?! I’m a Mazda person (though I do like Honda and Toyota)… imwas not aware Mazda was doing this…my 21 CX5 doesn’t have that…is it on the larger CX90 or small models too?
@@lizzieb6311 All Mazda 2.5L 4 CYL Skyactiv-G's have Cylinder Deactivation iirc. Your CX5 (2018+) will have Cylinder Deactivation, however it's probably seamless so you don't notice it. Unless you have the turbo model, your vehicle will most likely have it.
@@24GirlPanda thank you…I did not know that! I don’t have turbo..but I guess that’s why I love my Mazda so much…I don’t even notice it! Thank you for the info ♥
@@24GirlPandanot true, 2022+ CX5 2.5 NA has them. The pre facelift does not.
@@thecentralman yep you are correct. I wish AMD had mentioned this on his review of the 2023 CX5 because his review had basically convinced me to go with one over a Toyota, since the Mazda dealers were willing to work with the price a bit. I don’t know if I would have purchased the vehicle if I had known. I stick to 5k mile oil changes so I hope that preserves my engine even with the cylinder deactivation.
I just found your channel....this is the kind of reviews I really need when trying to purchase a new family vehicle. The info you provide is exactly what I want to know as a consumer.
Timing belt and manual tensioner in 2023. Wild Honda.
They say it's smoother.
Man…. I have just found your channel by accident. This is the first review on the mechanics side of the car. Great explanation with lots of knowledge. Keep up the good work.
When it comes to the Pilot they took a page out of Toyota’s history book. The ‘90s Camry was a Lexus ES300 under the skin and it’s the same with this Pilot; it’s a Acura MDX underneath. The A/C dual drains is because the evaporator is for the front and rear system. Unlike most who have a dedicated evaporator for the rear the Honda system uses one big evap that is divided and can be used independently front and rear. Mechanically the Honda AWD system with rear torque vectoring is the same one the MDX uses for its Super Handling AWD. I’m sure a few software tweaks will unlock the SH-AWD capability.
What I like about this engine is the fact that there is no turbo and no hybrid. I keep my vehicles for long time and this is very appealing to me.
I was hoping you review this SUV. I really wanted a 4Runner but I needed something with more seating so went with this. Although it's a unibody design but I think Honda knows how to build a good frame. Simple and it works for me. And I'm happy about the newest safety features especially with all these heavy EVs everywhere.
The older Pilots run for 300k+ miles so I wouldn't worry
amazingly comprehensive real review, not sales pitch. Thank you!
Pretty good SUV.. But wish they would'a given it a traditional shifter (instead of push button).. I just like shifting with a traditional shifter much better..
It's a bit odd at first but after a few days of driving, I didn't think about it. Nice benefit is better access to center console which is great in this car.
Agree, can’t stand paddle shifters.
@@magnoliap5824 im not sure why it even has them. once in a blue moon you might want to override auto but its already got electric “sport”,”towing” and “trail” modes which seem to shift the up/downshift points along the power curve. in any case, they don’t get in the way.
@@bigwave_dave8468 I'd use them to downshift and use engine braking going downhill. I wish my 1st gen Pilot had those, shifting its old-school gear lever on the steering column is less convenient than paddles. And you do need that when driving in the mountains. A few weeks ago going down from Pikes Peak, I saw (and smelled) a car ahead of me that was on the brakes almost all the time to the point it even started smoking. Lucky for him, there was a brake check station a thousand feet ahead where every car got stopped and its brake temps were checked, so he got sent to a parking lot to cool them off
This is the most detailed and comprehensive review I've ever seen.
We have a Pilot from the 2nd year (2016) of the previous version which this car is heavily based upon. While not as inexpensive to maintain as previous older gen Hondas it has been very good. One thing I wanted to share is gas mileage with the Honda Dreams cylinder deactivation on the 3.5L V6. When we drive ours without heavy acceleration, we can squeeze 30-32 mpg highway out of it on long road trips which we believe is excellent fuel economy for a vehicle of this size. I have my nits I would pick on about this vehicle, mostly related to the AC climate control and the infotainment systems but otherwise very pleased with this car.
I had a 19 Ridgeline an always got right at 31.7mg on 1000+ mile road trips. It's incredible for such a large vehicle.
I am not one to comment alot but i wanted to take this time to say thank you for doing these reviews. I very much appreciate it and now look at all of your reviews just to further my knowledge of cars also. Thank you.
There’s a smart VCM deactivator that tricks coolant temperature so the the deactivation doesn’t happen. If the coolant overheats it lets the actual readings through.
Yes for all other previous Hondas but not the '23+ Pilot J35Y8
I’m so glad that they went back to the square front end. It looks a hell of a lot better.
Interesting comment on the exhaust systems on Honda's. I've owned several. All had well over 100,000 miles and never had an issue with an exhaust system.
He’s in IL, maybe a rust belt thing? Although I’ve had Hondas in the Midwest and no exhaust issues.
I find your channel to be really helpful. Im an aircraft mechanic by profession and do alot of the maintainance of my wrangler. In the market for a new vehicle since my wrangler gas 313k miles and rising, so will be needing a new vehicle soon. Your reviews do help me see things from a technical point of view .Alot of other channels that do car reviews..dont really get into the guts and bones of the vehicles but rather talk about how good the car looks etc. Good job sir.
I wanted either a pilot or a grandhighlander but i ended up buying the grandhighlander with 2.4 turbo i just feel like its more reliable yes it does have a turbo but that the only thing i have to worry about it has no timing belts no direct injection no cylinder deactivation system!!
The 2.4 T24A-FTS 4cylinder is GDI/port.
As always, I love your videos. You are a treasure to car enthusiasts and owners everywhere. Many thanks.
My 2010 Honda Accord V6 EX-L has been fantastic to own for over a decade. At 175,000 miles I'm finally looking at a repair for the cylinder deactivaton system and some small leaks.
I'd bypass the cylinder deactivation. I did on my 2011 Odyssey and I'm happy I did.
Yeah I did the same with my 09 Pilot, VCMuzzler for the win@@TheProtagonist_777
@@TheProtagonist_777how do you do that?
Vcm muzzler @@andrew881000
LOL that's me. My 2010 Honda Accord V6 EX-L has about 70,000 miles now and I recently discovered S-VCM controller and am looking forward to installing this device to prevent my car from burning oil.
I follow a honda tech on TH-cam, he constantly shows the 1.5 turbos blowing head gaskets. The previous generation pilots transmissions go out. My brother had a pilot with the bad transmission. My younger brother has a civic that the ac compressor keeps going out. Honda has been replacing it under warranty but still an issue. Because of that I decided to stay with Toyota when my 2008 Yaris had low compression on cylinder #2. It still runs so I gave it to my pops to drive around town.
Been waiting on this review, not for the pilot, but anticipating the Ridgeline refresh. Timing belt and the expense that comes with it concerns me, along with direct injection only. Seems pretty solid overall. Nice review as always.
Same reason I'm keeping up with it. Trying to see what the New Ridgeline will have
We have a 2019 Ridgeline with six speed transmission. I be,I’ve it has DIrect Inject only
Cheaper to replace a timing belt than it is to replace a timing chain and it’s guides.
@@thinbrickspec77 yeah but timing chains should last the life of the car, a timing belt is a known high ticket item. It has to be done at a certain interval or you risk blowing an engine.
So a once every 75K mile service price is a concern. If you ran the car to 300K miles, you do 3 belts…. That’s your concern… people are goofy
Love this review, the info about the new engine is gold! Talking a about the tensioner and other aspects of the new engine is stuff I've never seen anywhere else.
I had a 2014 V6 Accord. Amazing engine. Got between 6-7 litres per 100 with it. I put 300,000 kms on it and it’s at almost 500,000 kms now with the second owner.
I would definitely buy this Pilot over the Grand Highlander and it’s turbo.
7 litres ? Are you kidding us? If not then wonderful 😅
The Highlander I4 Light Turbo will outlast the crappy Honda V6 at least three to one. The Honda V6 uses a rubber timing chain. When it goes the engine blows. When the water pump goes out the engine blows. There is no port injection so the engine will carbon up. The Honda V6 is famous for oil consumption and dead cylinders. I4 engines actually last much longer than V6s.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q I have a V6 Highlander but I've heard the Toyota 4 turbos are having issues
What is these Litre 🎉stuff. We deal in mpg !!! Just kidding
@@slalomkingI think you Yanks are the only ones who do mpg?
You are a HUGE HELP for us of those who care more about the dependability and how to maintain a vehicle more than the minor design tweaks that a vehicle may get. You help me out so much deciding what’s best for me and my family. Thank you.
I heard many stories of the VCM engine issues, but I never had issues with my 2012 Honda Crosstour, I had it for 95,000 miles without issues and was more than often running on 3 cylinders. My in-laws also had a 2017 Honda Odyssey and didn't have any issues either. Not sure what trigger that issue. I'm very happy that they brought back the full front center console though.
VCM can cause difference in the wear of the cylinders. When a neighboring cylinder is running it is obviously at a higher temperature than the ones that are not running. This can cause warping. Eventually, the piston rings start scraping on the block walls and the car starts burning oil. If you maintained your car properly (e.g. did regular oil changes with good oil and filters) this would not appear until about 100k miles. There are ways to deactivate the VCM and I have seen many people do so to preserve their engines.
A slightly less important issue is the motor mounts and transmission mounts which are designed to be activated in a certain way when the VCM is active. They can wear off faster than regular motor mounts.
It's actually a bit difficult to locate definitive proof that VCM causes major engine damage. My mechanic 'gut' tells me the idea is bad, and there are plenty of horror stories on the web, but try to find more than 1 or 2 stories from people who actually had issues is harder than you'd expect for something with such a bad public perception.
That said, I did install a VCM defeat device (VCM Tuner II) in our '15 Pilot, and you'd never know any of that stuff was there. Good piece of mind for $130.
@@loualexander3408 very interesting, thanks
@@loualexander3408this is one of my concerns. Correct me if wrong, but when the vcm kicks on and you have only 3cyl running it's either all 3 on one side or 2:1, either way without all cylinders running they're not counter-balancing eachother therefore creating more/diff vibrations in the motor which would then cause a motor mount vibration dampener to wear out quicker...is that what you're getting at?
Great format and host, deserves more people following.
Been waiting for this for a long time
Man...I don't know how I found your review but I am about to buy a New Pilot. I already own a 2010 Pilot but it's time to
get a knew one for reliability and dependable out of town trips. This is an indepth review and exactly what I need to
reassure myself to get a knew one. Thank you for your works and experiences in this field . May god bless you and your family.
Excellent review. If cylinder deactivation can be defeated / selected with a button then okay but if that is forced on you, then that's a deal breaker for me. Its a shame its under powered because Honda really got so many things right on this update. Also not a fan of DI only but time will tell if that is any concern. Great job keeping the passenger cabin safe too.
Very simple to deactivate. I bought the S-VCM controller and self installed on my 2017 V6 Accord and 2017 Pilot. No issues. Problem solved.
Yup, first thing I would do is disabled vcm with the s-vcm device
Underpowered? Dang how heavy is it? 285 HP seems sufficient
@ctbale1 I was asked if the S-VCM tuner would work on the new double camed engine. That is a question I am not able to answer. Is a modified version available if needed? Needless to say/write, I would definitely recommend one from the problems it causes. I put one on my 19’ Pilot with no issues so far. As far as the pilot being underpowered, I disagree. Once the warranty is up, one could throw on a supercharger if one has the ‘Need For Speed.’
There is a tuber out there that has a 120k passport and when taking the top off, the system was very clean for DI. Doesn’t seem to be an issue at all. It’s a very high compression engine.
Had a 2010 with severe engine problems due to engine deactivation mechanism fouling up the spark plugs due to oil filling the deactivated cylinder(s). Will never again get cylinder deactivating car, or a car with timing belt. Great review!
@3:45 - Yikes, needless to say anything else about cylinder deactivation.
@6:09 - “Honda is not been known for problematic carbon build up” with all due respect I disagree. Sir if you ever come to CO I’m ready to show two 3rd gen Pilots with injector failures around 35K miles including one Pilot got it twice so far, Honda is going to cover it for 100K or 120K if I’m not mistaken per the letter. On YT we can still see the issue even on 2022 MDX.
My friend also got surprised to find out per owners manual on 3rd gen Pilot that its only rated for 3500lbs towing. If needed to tow more the dealership need to install after market ATF cooler. (No kidding, its stated in the owners manual.) Hopefully no more the case with the new transmission in this 2024 Pilot.
@17:26 - 1in lift on trail sport is really awesome which get it in 8in clearance territory like a Highlander.
@20:45 - I do like those type of tires as if anyone hit gravel roads & forest roads with family its best to have such tires with added protection against punctures and these newer tires don’t really make much noise on highways imo.
@33:22 I thought you will say about the timing belt as thing you don’t like. Especially with a longer timing belt. I thought you would also say about the button shifter (a) you have to look down to make sure what you are doing and (b) that is an area you was liquids when you are on a trip, hopefully not spill anything on those buttons.
For my Honda Odyssey i bought a bypass for the cylinder deactivation. So my car always runs on all 6 cylinders. Have been using it for 4 years now. 11:23
The first gen Highlander also had a flat floor. Its super awesome
It is also unavailable due to factory recall! Lol
We have a 2018 pilot that just turned 100,000 miles. I recently replaced the timing belt and adjusted the valves. I’ve left the VCM intact and it uses no oil. The valve train looked new (use Motul Eco-Lite 0W-20 since new changed per MM). The intake valves were surprisingly clean. This engine has two injector pulses during intake, the first being while the intake valves are open. Apparently it has some secondary effect to clean the valve head.
We chose the pilot touring over the Toyota grand highlander, because the second row was far superior and the Honda pilot we got what we wanted it was maybe $15,000 cheaper than an equivalent Toyota grand highlander
Which trim of the grand highlander were you looking at? I'm 90 percent in for buying the limited grand highlander hybrid but come Dec 2024 if it's too hard to get I may just go Honda pilot trail sport or elite.
Is touring good? Fast? I have sorento now, how does it compare
@@jerzs1363 can say for Elite, which is the same Touring. It drives as a sporty car despite be a big SUV. Just put in Sport mode and you will be fast enough to challenge almost anybody on the road, except EV.
@@jerzs1363 any issues with oil consumption?I have a 3.3. 2020 sorento with 36,000 miles and it started burning oil
Deep down we all know that the Highlander is gonna be more reliable in the long run, *and* it'll have a far better resale value.
You're reviews are awesome! Only feedback I have is to focus more on the specs comparing 3rd row leg room + comfort + trunk volume to competitors. Maybe start using a standard double stroller or 2 suitcases to put in the trunk so we can see how much room we really have. For anything with a 3rd row, I promise the families (me) watching it, care a TON about the back area of the car in making a decision. ESPECIALLY because everyone is backordered and we can't go to dealerships to ever see one of these in person.
Thank you!
judging by the change in voice It seems like he forgot about the third row and had to add it in later
There’s other channels that do that so you can go watch theirs.. it says mechanics for a reason 🙄
His reviews are more in depth than just rattling off a bunch of specs. You can look them up from the manufacturer or a third party source like Edmunds in a matter of seconds. But realistically, you need to see them for yourself. A model may have less cargo space on paper, but be more useful if it's laid out properly vs a larger area with a ton of intrusions, like the Highlander that has a roof strength bar that drops the height of what it can accommodate.
You can find that info in the other 100+ subpar reviews on TH-cam.
My sister asked me which suv to buy for herself and her baby. I recommended her the 2025 pilot. We are going to get it tomorrow. This video was a big help.
Just a note, the paddle shifters, if you think about it, are more for controlling gear selection in a multi-speed Automatic. If you want to hold 3rd or 4th gear or 7th or 8th gear, you would have no way of doing it without the paddles.
Thank you so much for going into depth concerning this revised engine. After a very bad VCM experience with my 2012 Accord, I became skeptical. After all the issues Honda is very aware of, they double down and get even more complicated and, in my opinion, stupid. I've owned four J series engines now, a J30 from 2006, which was excellent, no VCM. The J35 that blew up at 130,000, its replacement, and my current J35 with 71,000 on the clock.
VCM is a bad deal. Maybe a 1 mpg gain while putting the engine at risk. It's no risk to Honda and their warranty, only for the owners that believed Honda used to mean quality.
When my engine blew up due to VCM failure, I chalked it up to just being "one of those things" and I immediately bought a 2017 Accord V6 while my car was in the shop for a new engine. I should've bought a Lexus ES350 instead at the time. VCM is a ticking bomb and I don't recommend any Honda with it.
(Edit) I have owned 7 Hondas since 1992. I have always been a fan until fairly recently. For peace of mind anymore if your plan is long term ownership from new is to just go with Toyota and Lexus.
Very good review, I bought the 2025 Pilot Trailsport after watching this and a few other comparison reviews. You are right it is the simplicity that sold me on the car. The only option I wish the had was to delete the moon roof.
If this engine is as good as the engine that was in my 2004 Acura MDX... you will be good to go for 400,000 miles or more without any problems. I bought a Ridgeline vs many other pickups due to the trouble free 3.5 engine.
Tacoma has better engine reliability.
No. Honda makes the best engines in the world. The Tacoma has better transmission reliability.@@paulm6481
@@paulm6481not with the turbos coming out
275K on our 2005 Pilot EX. Miraculously the trans still shifts like new. Regular maintenance, no towing and it's usually 1-2 occupants.
Sprinter vans have paddle shifters. I used to have a Subaru Outback with them as well. I don’t get it.
It's the torque that affects the acceleration and AWD contributes a 20% reduction in performance to the wheels compared to 10% for FWD. I'm concerned about cylinder deactivation the most but I guess you could have it reprogrammed. I really like the style, functionality and serviceability. Some of my favorite vehicles have been Honda's.
Can you though? Not to my knowledge. Just janky systems to install that change the vehicles reception of engine temp, which effects the cooling system function
Our Honda odyssey has paddle shifters, I love them. Never use them except when going up or downhill. Especially downhill. That way you hardly have to use the brakes. Also a great Honda thing is the second position for the hood. It can go 90 degrees. Just like Mercedes. Makes service a lot easier. Thank you for this review!
Would love to see the new Ridgeline featured on the channel. Great video as always 💯