I have a 2005 Honda pilot 290,000 Miles still drives like new and kept it bought my wife a 2023 Honda Pilot she loves it it’s a fantastic SUV the best in its class V6 Naturally aspirated engine No turbo so the engine will last long till less stress on engine components for sure .
I used to work for Lexus parts and the cost of the small parts on the bumper are financially brutal. Bumper cover, four sensors, six mounting brackets, sensor pc module, paint. Behind the cover is a Styrofoam support that snaps like a twig. Total cost all in $2000. God help you if you damage the lights, $1800 for the main beam, $78 per fog light. Everything is injection molded plastic. Nothing gives in contact. They all break into a million pieces.
Interesting that these guys have a totally different take than other reviewers on handling, seat comfort, etc. I wish they would do more comparisons to other cars for a relative take vs just saying they like or don’t like something about a car. If a reviewer has something negative to say, they should mention a competitor model that does that thing better
This is my exact thought. They are going against everyone else but give no examples. Give us models, if they say the Telluride drives better they’re losing all credibility. The Telluride is an incredible car and does a lot of stuff better but driving is not one of them.
That was my thought as well. Like if you have an X5 as you family car and therefore do not enjoy the handling of Pilot, then that's a useless take because it's not the same segment. Tell us what you think of the handling compared to telluride/palisade, highlander, pathfinder, explorer etc and which car in the segment does better. This was one of the most useless video I saw about the Pilot tbh.
@@battlegroundone That's what I see on the 2022 owners manual. Replace timing belt at 60K miles for hot/cold weather. Did not see what's the interval for regular climate. Towing also interesting, 3500lbs max for AWD models. For more than 3500lbs "An additional ATF (automatic transmission fluid) cooler is required".
Yes, it’s still direct injection with a timing chain. Worse, they moved the oil filter to a horizontal position that now requires a special tool in order to prevent oil from running all over the subframe when you replace the filter!
Honda’s goal for the new DOHC V-6 was to reduce emissions, not improve performance. The new Pilot meets 2030 standards for super ultra-low emission vehicle.
Love having Emily on these episodes! Her down-to-earth descriptions and normal-person way of describing things (even though she is clearly an expert too) like acceleration and driving feel make so much sense and are a good balance to the other more car type people on the show.
I got a chance to test out a Trailsport trim, and I got to say this new Pilot is way better than the old generation Pilot ever could be. In my opinion, it's better than the Toyota Highlander or the Nissan Pathfinder.
For sure. I can see the argument on the Nissan just because it’s decent now and they’re discounted way more, the Highlander I don’t see why people buy them tbh
So Emily's job is to evaluate cars. She admits she bought a Nissan Pathfinder that she finds the drivers seat position so bad she doesn't like to drive it??!! Did the expert on cars not even test drive the car she bought!!!??? Not to mention she also didn't look up the repair records on her own website. I really have to question her credibility as a reviewer.
$50K sounds expensive, but that is near the average car price these days. The Pilot packs a lot of capability for an average car. Guys, show Dr. Emily some respect.
She’s the backbone of consumer reports in Talking cars. The rest of the presenters are mostly car driving enthusiasts, talking about driving dynamics. Paying subscribers want more of that interior car seat performance
Just purchased a 2023 Honda Pilot EX-L. It replaced a 2018 Pilot EX-L. Interested in the comments about handling. We have many roundabouts in our area and I find our 2023 goes through those roundabouts much better and more stable than the 2018 model. I have even pushed it a little thrugh those roundabouts and was pleasantly surprised on how stable it was. For those who need a higher level of handling they do make a trail sport model of the pilot and also a Passport model that should meet those needs. Info system is much improved also. A note on child seat constrains. The 2023 model's access to the anchor points is easy and does not require digging under the seat as in the 2018 model we had. Daughter would visit with small children and we would have to install child seats and the 2018 was more difficult attaching the restraints.
I agree with you comments about size etc. Love that part . However I hope they have improved the safety systems and AIS. I’m currently driving a 2019 model and it has issues with what I would term false warnings for oncoming vehicles. The AIS (auto idle stop) system has issues identified as early as 2016 but no acknowledged until this year with a recall that provides a software update to stop it activating under unsuitable Conditions, this was in fact a safety issue as it stalled the car in traffic. The recall might be the result of a class action suit in the US. Honda has extended the warranty on the engine and starter motor as this may not fix the problem and might require work on its tappets to adjusted as a result of extra wear caused by the AIS system. Unfortunately they have not addressed other components in the engine drive chain such as the serpentine drive. For example on taking my vehicle in for the recall I ended up having to pay close to a thousand dollars (Canadian). This was a result of having to replace the serpentine belt and AGM battery as the dealer said they needed replacing. Obviously Honda is recognizing that extra wear and tear on the engine and impact in the battery in the recall wording but not allowing for recompense for for items wearing out earlier that normal. In my case the serpentine belt and the battery seemingly tested ok at 80,000 km but not 88,0000 km because of glazing on the belt and the battery now failing. The normal wear cycle on serpentine belts for example is 60,000-100,000 miles not km. Honda has acknowledged that the AIS does effect the battery near end of life. But allows no recompense or even prorated recompense for these items. Guess I’ll be looking at grand Toyota, KIA, and or Hyundai for my next SUV.
Let's give Emily Thomas a little more respect on the podcast folks. I know y'all are friends and having fun, but first teasing about her discussion of the latch attachments, THEN when she does talk about driving dynamics, y'all are like, "nope, what are you talking about?!" I personally find a lot of tall SUVs drive "springy/wobbly," (#physics) and so I could very much believe Emily's critique of the new Pilot.
She's definitely an expert in her field, but I equally appreciate her use of terms like "wobbly" when it comes to describing driving dynamics. It's a very practical & approachable style that many buyers relate to.
The lower part of the front bumper on my old 2010 Prius fell off after an encounter with a curb. Dealer said they could replace the bumper for a couple grand, but they had sturdy twist ties that would do the job for free. Those twist ties were still holding on when I traded the car in.
Great new intro, guys! But the best part is coming out on Wednesdays. You must have known that I was falling behind because I couldn't watch on weekends.
I think it depends. I'm the kind of person that likes to buy the top trim when I buy a car. For the top trim in the Pilot (which I'm showing online is the Elite trim for $52K), you are actually getting Acura's SH-AWD (Honda calls this i-VTM4), adaptive cruise control. heads up display, etc.--some of which you might not get on an MDX at that price point.
That's a great price difference. The Pilot has the IVTM4 Torque Vectorng AWD System. It's basically the same but they are tuned differently. At least it was in 2019 vehicles. The Acura MDX RDX tuned for more driving dynamics. The Pilot, Ridgeline, Passport not as sporty. However The MDX was redesign since 2019 and now Pilot so each have newer versions of their Torque Vectorng AWD Systems. But one Key factor you forget. The ACURA likes to drink Premium Fuel. So you have to factor that into ownership.
The bumper question is a good one, but the "bumper" is behind the plastic which encases modern cars. The plastic breaks, the sensors are damaged, the bumper in a hard enough tap is damaged, and replacement now costs as much as $2000. On the older cars with the metal bumpers you could see the cost to get it fixed was nothing compared to the technology laden bumpers of today. A small 5 mph tap is very expensive now unfortunately. CR is very good to tell the story about the bumper basher - I remember that test years ago, and I wondered about the cost - knowing now it was costing them in excess of $50,000 a year in the end just says it all.
CR failed to mention what makes this Pilot (and corporate cousin Acura MDX) such a great driving SUV, and that is the I-VTM4 all wheel drive system. It’s ability to transfer 70% of engine torque to the rear wheels and 100% of that to either side is unique among all SUVs in this class. When accelerating into a RH or LH turn, or out of a curve, it feels like a rear wheel drive vehicle! It’s unlike any other FWD based vehicle I’ve driven. The one real negative issue with this new Pilot is the small size (7” or 9”) of the infotainment screen, which is not competitive!
Thanks for addressing my question regarding bumpers and gov't requirements. So you're telling me that somehow, the auto industry lobbied the agency that made the 2.5 mph bumper rule to not apply it to SUVs, the biggest selling segment in the country? Good grief Charlie Brown! Maybe you guys should lobby whoever makes these rules to apply them to SUVs?
Definitely over price. I drove the trail sport and the touring. The 9 inch screen is not as good as from other manufacturers. The trail sport rides well but there is noise coming through the cabin. I thought it would be better insulated from the road. The dealership wanted $53,500.00 including state tax.
This is the weirdest review of the pilot I’ve read yet. They are directly going against every other reviewer saying the handling is poor and not as good as other vehicles. Even car enthusiasts Savage Geese peg this vehicle has the best non-luxury 3 row on the market. I’d love to hear more and what vehicles they feel is superior.
I’m just a normal guy but I drove this, Highlander, and the Telluride. This handles better, more like German cars I’d say. If you’ve driven a newer Tiguan this has the same precision as that even though it’s bigger, I found it nice.
They didn't call the handling poor. Yes, there's body roll, but so do most SUV's, especially the large ones. And they didn't seem to agree with her about the handling.
You realize "every other reviewer" spent like an hour with this car so far, right? At least CR just calls it a "first drive" whereas all the bloggers and youtubers clamor for clicks and give snap verdicts. Every new car to those people is the best fill-in-the-blank. And they get paid to review the cars. Dunno why you're falling for it. Besides, it's probably gonna score really high in CR anyway. The article says they made "big strides." Just one person here said they thought it didn't handle great.
Imo, the Pathfinder looks a lot better in all its angles than the Pilot. The same is true in the interior. My preferred placement of ac vents on the second and third row seats is on the headliner, which the Pathfinder has. Wireless Apple Carplay and Android Auto are also standard on the Pathfinder and not on Pilot. The Pilot looks really boxy, and the headlights look cheap except for the DRL, and the inside is so bland. Between the two, I'd choose and buy a Pathfinder.
So many people leaving children in vehicles. As to why can't explain every case. Some are intentional but others are accidental. By this being a large passenger vehicle makes sense.
When will there be an updated Passport? My basic frugal road trip car today is a 2023 Subaru Outback Onyx 2.5 for about MSRP 34K. No sunroof, no GPS, and in a pinch a 6 footer can sleep in it.
Don’t hold your breath for a similar redesigned Passport; I’m not convinced Honda will offer it due to sales volume. All the manufacturers are prioritizing compact and larger 3-row SUVs today. The midsize 2-row SUVs are getting left behind. For example, Cadillac is not going to offer the next generation XT5 in North America; it will be for the China market. If Honda does offer a redesigned Passport, I think it will be a 2025 MY.
@Mark I think they will have it but will be slightly different than Pilot this time. I think Ridgeline and Passport will be more TrailSport based vehicles. They might have normal TrailSport suspension as standard, then maybe something even more off-road capability. I keep saying the Honda didn't do the development of TrailSport Pilot for Pilot. I pretty sure this was done for Ridgeline and Passport models. They will tweak them differently. They been using the term our most capable off-road vehicle yet.
What will help to sell more SUV Pilot? Currently, the driver's Seat comes with 10-Way Power Adjustment, Including 2-way Power Lumbar Adjustment, it needs to be a 4-way Power Lumbar like the Accord, and Odyssey...??????? Both front seats need to have all the possible adjustments like the European car How hard is it to add Integrated Sunshades for 3rd rows? Adding Magic Slide middle seating from the Odyssey will help people move the seat to the center so they can title the back of the seat to the back so they could sleep Adding Rear-Seat 3rd-Rows with Folding Center Armrest from the Odyssey 2010-2021 or the CR-V It is better without the plastic-looking on the bottom of the car. It needs to have only metal and paint, paint makes the car shine and look more like a luxury car, the Pilot deserves to be a luxury car The plastic-looking on the bottom of the car makes it look cheap
This is not a proper review. Feels like they are trying to hard to describe things that are really not really that big a deal. Feels picky and not thoughtful.
Very practical! Here is my issue with this vehicle: The Telluride is boxy, but it looks stylish (especially pre-refresh); the Pilot is boxy, and it looks like an old Ford product already.
I agree with Jose.... Kia did a great job with the Telluride setting the standard high for a mid size; but at the end of the day no one expects Kia would beat in quality any of the Jap manufacturers
Really. One reviewer declares that the handling is too swoopy after taking it for a drive “ nearby” Not one other review has said anything other thAn it has good handling. Let’s be professional
Tbh id pick the pathfinder over this. It looks alot better and drives alot smoother and responds a bit more aggressively imo. with similar powertrains and fuel economy, I’d rather take that over this.
Pathfinder uses a CVT that blows and looks like fat fly saucer. Anyone that buys a Nissan unless it's their Nissan Frontier is getting ripped off. If you bought a Toyota I could atleast understand that
"Drives a lot smoother" isn't very descriptive - can you elaborate? I did a 24hr test drive of the latest Pathfinder. I found it a bit too trucklike in ride quality (sort of crashy over sharp bumps) although fine on regular bumps and the seats were not very comfortable. It did seem to handle pretty well for a big vehicle, but at the cost of ride comfort. It also had terrible seat heaters that didn't get very hot and the rear seats heaters didn't heat up at all. I've not had a chance to test drive the Pilot yet though for comparison.
There was already a head to head comparison of the two vehicles the Pathfinder uses a ZF sourced 9 speed but upgraded version. The Honda Pilot redesign now uses an in-house Honda 10 speed transmission. The new Pilot also has a few other strong points over the Pathfinder. However, Pathfinder can tow more the 5,000lb Max AWD Pilot.
It seems odd that they kept the V6, when so much competition goes turbo 4. Personally I think Honda builds a great turbo 4 - I own two. I like an NA six as much as anyone, but it makes so much sense with the direction of government regulations.
Acura/Honda has a Turbo V6 found in Type S MDX. I knew they wouldn't use that. The regular MDX uses a V6. The Ridgeline Pickup Truck uses V6 Passport and Odyssey also. I didn't see them going away from that.
The forced bonhomie is _sooo_ tiresome. It's OK in small doses but not every topic needs a pun...a belly laugh...or a reference back to something else. The new titles are nice, though.
soooo, as they are talking about the V6, the lady car expert kinda chirps..."they are behoind" as he says there is something sweet about a 6 cylinder. is she another hire for diversity? i mean, does she know anything about engines and reliability, especially a turbo vs a NA six???? honda is "behind" because of this wonderful engine??????? oh how CR has fallen as a trusted advisor on consumer goods and why would anybody listen to them befor spending 50K.
IDK why, but it takes an especially fragile man to feel some kinda way because a woman doesn't have the same opinion about an engine. Anyway, I digress: 1. "behoind" isn't a word. 2. That "lady" has a name 3. That "lady" has a freaking PhD in pediatric injury biomechanics. She's an expert in her area, but also brings a POV that many car purchasers can relate to. I guess if one only sees things through the narrow lens of bigotry and misogyny, then sure she brings absolutely no value or expertise to CR, so go off and call her a "diversity hire" if that makes you feel better 🥱
Pelican above sounds like he listens to two-faced Tucker Carlson, frustrated he is jobless "self employed" and worships "meatball" DeSantis (not my words, Trumps). Based on his name ("Pellico") bet his ancestors were not on the Mayflower either. Bigot.
This trio is even more irritating than Gabe chronically saying “aaaaaah” after every word. Quincy is the “Dad” who faces the wrong way in an elevator and talks about how expensive parking downtown is….
Consumer Reports should bring more attention to the long term reliability issues that come along with turbos.
It's fantastic that Honda kept the V6.
trust me if they have a 2.5t they’d have stuck it in this thing
I have a 2005 Honda pilot 290,000 Miles still drives like new and kept it bought my wife a 2023 Honda Pilot she loves it it’s a fantastic SUV the best in its class V6 Naturally aspirated engine No turbo so the engine will last long till less stress on engine components for sure .
Wednesdays instead of Fridays! What a great way to get over the midweek hump and love the new opening!
Loved the new intro and end card, guys! Thanks, co-hosts for flying us through the details of the Pilot. Your approach was on point!
I used to work for Lexus parts and the cost of the small parts on the bumper are financially brutal. Bumper cover, four sensors, six mounting brackets, sensor pc module, paint. Behind the cover is a Styrofoam support that snaps like a twig. Total cost all in $2000. God help you if you damage the lights, $1800 for the main beam, $78 per fog light. Everything is injection molded plastic. Nothing gives in contact. They all break into a million pieces.
Does the third row sink into the floor when not needed?
Or manually removable? Are any of the seats equipped with built-in car seats?
Interesting that these guys have a totally different take than other reviewers on handling, seat comfort, etc. I wish they would do more comparisons to other cars for a relative take vs just saying they like or don’t like something about a car. If a reviewer has something negative to say, they should mention a competitor model that does that thing better
This is my exact thought. They are going against everyone else but give no examples.
Give us models, if they say the Telluride drives better they’re losing all credibility.
The Telluride is an incredible car and does a lot of stuff better but driving is not one of them.
I own it and it’s honestly crazy how well it handles
That was my thought as well. Like if you have an X5 as you family car and therefore do not enjoy the handling of Pilot, then that's a useless take because it's not the same segment. Tell us what you think of the handling compared to telluride/palisade, highlander, pathfinder, explorer etc and which car in the segment does better.
This was one of the most useless video I saw about the Pilot tbh.
Thank you. Loving the new intro song. It's a swanky new tune!!! Much better and much appreciated
I remember the old 80's Ford Escort commercial showcasing its spring loaded metal bumper.
Is 2023 Honda Pilot still direct injection only? And timing belt? 😟
needs to be a timing chain. no more Hondas or at least change that it is an interuper engine. I was just thinking about this recently.
Honda has a great V6.
Would be near perfect with chain driven cams and added port injection.
@@battlegroundone That's what I see on the 2022 owners manual. Replace timing belt at 60K miles for hot/cold weather. Did not see what's the interval for regular climate. Towing also interesting, 3500lbs max for AWD models. For more than 3500lbs "An additional ATF (automatic transmission fluid) cooler is required".
@@donswier at least added port injection would be super awesome.
Yes, it’s still direct injection with a timing chain. Worse, they moved the oil filter to a horizontal position that now requires a special tool in order to prevent oil from running all over the subframe when you replace the filter!
Honda's have had good infotainment and controls for a while. Even my '15 civic ex has it very well done.
Honda’s goal for the new DOHC V-6 was to reduce emissions, not improve performance. The new Pilot meets 2030 standards for super ultra-low emission vehicle.
Emissions and provide more linear power to fit the 10 speed auto.
Bring back functional bumpers!
9:15 I found this car to be very wobbly as well on the test drive. In fact it was a deal killer for me!
If you want wobbly drive a 22 MDX. My Pilot is great compared to my MDX.
Love having Emily on these episodes! Her down-to-earth descriptions and normal-person way of describing things (even though she is clearly an expert too) like acceleration and driving feel make so much sense and are a good balance to the other more car type people on the show.
emily is no expert, she said on this episode that she owns a Nissan Pathfinder, that is very uncomfortable to drive, what no test drive???
I got a chance to test out a Trailsport trim, and I got to say this new Pilot is way better than the old generation Pilot ever could be. In my opinion, it's better than the Toyota Highlander or the Nissan Pathfinder.
For sure. I can see the argument on the Nissan just because it’s decent now and they’re discounted way more, the Highlander I don’t see why people buy them tbh
for toyota reliability? duh
I agree
So Emily's job is to evaluate cars. She admits she bought a Nissan Pathfinder that she finds the drivers seat position so bad she doesn't like to drive it??!! Did the expert on cars not even test drive the car she bought!!!??? Not to mention she also didn't look up the repair records on her own website. I really have to question her credibility as a reviewer.
$50K sounds expensive, but that is near the average car price these days. The Pilot packs a lot of capability for an average car. Guys, show Dr. Emily some respect.
She’s the backbone of consumer reports in Talking cars. The rest of the presenters are mostly car driving enthusiasts, talking about driving dynamics. Paying subscribers want more of that interior car seat performance
Thank you for the new intro
The cloth seats in the Sport trim were more comfortable for me than the leather. It kinda reminds me of blue jeans .
The new intro is very much improved.
Just purchased a 2023 Honda Pilot EX-L. It replaced a 2018 Pilot EX-L. Interested in the comments about handling. We have many roundabouts in our area and I find our 2023 goes through those roundabouts much better and more stable than the 2018 model. I have even pushed it a little thrugh those roundabouts and was pleasantly surprised on how stable it was. For those who need a higher level of handling they do make a trail sport model of the pilot and also a Passport model that should meet those needs. Info system is much improved also. A note on child seat constrains. The 2023 model's access to the anchor points is easy and does not require digging under the seat as in the 2018 model we had. Daughter would visit with small children and we would have to install child seats and the 2018 was more difficult attaching the restraints.
Welcome back Emily! You've been missed!
This would be an amazing addition to our roads! Very much needed, especially with the pace that the city is growing!
It might also be worth mentioning that the new v6 emits 50 percent less carbon. You know, just in case anybody is interested in stuff like that.
Kudos to Honda for keeping the V6!
- I'm going to use my old man voice.
-- Wait that's your normal voice.
The return look in recognition of the statement.
Lmao
I agree with you comments about size etc. Love that part . However I hope they have improved the safety systems and AIS. I’m currently driving a 2019 model and it has issues with what I would term false warnings for oncoming vehicles. The AIS (auto idle stop) system has issues identified as early as 2016 but no acknowledged until this year with a recall that provides a software update to stop it activating under unsuitable Conditions, this was in fact a safety issue as it stalled the car in traffic. The recall might be the result of a class action suit in the US.
Honda has extended the warranty on the engine and starter motor as this may not fix the problem and might require work on its tappets to adjusted as a result of extra wear caused by the AIS system. Unfortunately they have not addressed other components in the engine drive chain such as the serpentine drive. For example on taking my vehicle in for the recall I ended up having to pay close to a thousand dollars (Canadian). This was a result of having to replace the serpentine belt and AGM battery as the dealer said they needed replacing. Obviously Honda is recognizing that extra wear and tear on the engine and impact in the battery in the recall wording but not allowing for recompense for for items wearing out earlier that normal. In my case the serpentine belt and the battery seemingly tested ok at 80,000 km but not 88,0000 km because of glazing on the belt and the battery now failing. The normal wear cycle on serpentine belts for example is 60,000-100,000 miles not km. Honda has acknowledged that the AIS does effect the battery near end of life. But allows no recompense or even prorated recompense for these items. Guess I’ll be looking at grand Toyota, KIA, and or Hyundai for my next SUV.
Let's give Emily Thomas a little more respect on the podcast folks. I know y'all are friends and having fun, but first teasing about her discussion of the latch attachments, THEN when she does talk about driving dynamics, y'all are like, "nope, what are you talking about?!" I personally find a lot of tall SUVs drive "springy/wobbly," (#physics) and so I could very much believe Emily's critique of the new Pilot.
She's definitely an expert in her field, but I equally appreciate her use of terms like "wobbly" when it comes to describing driving dynamics. It's a very practical & approachable style that many buyers relate to.
Some people are just sooo thin skinned these days!
I had someone drive into the back of my Prius, probably at just 5mph, and his insurance had to pay out over $3000 to fix the car!
The lower part of the front bumper on my old 2010 Prius fell off after an encounter with a curb. Dealer said they could replace the bumper for a couple grand, but they had sturdy twist ties that would do the job for free. Those twist ties were still holding on when I traded the car in.
Love the new opening. My 2021 Accord has rear AEB & won't let you do those oopsies.
Much improved intro - welcome to the 21st century!
Great new intro, guys!
But the best part is coming out on Wednesdays. You must have known that I was falling behind because I couldn't watch on weekends.
Nice intro music. CR is evolving finally
For $55K, you might as well buy a MDX that starts at $51,750 for SH-AWD
I think it depends. I'm the kind of person that likes to buy the top trim when I buy a car. For the top trim in the Pilot (which I'm showing online is the Elite trim for $52K), you are actually getting Acura's SH-AWD (Honda calls this i-VTM4), adaptive cruise control. heads up display, etc.--some of which you might not get on an MDX at that price point.
That's a great price difference.
The Pilot has the IVTM4 Torque Vectorng AWD System. It's basically the same but they are tuned differently. At least it was in 2019 vehicles. The Acura MDX RDX tuned for more driving dynamics. The Pilot, Ridgeline, Passport not as sporty.
However The MDX was redesign since 2019 and now Pilot so each have newer versions of their Torque Vectorng AWD Systems. But one Key factor you forget.
The ACURA likes to drink Premium Fuel.
So you have to factor that into ownership.
The bumper question is a good one, but the "bumper" is behind the plastic which encases modern cars. The plastic breaks, the sensors are damaged, the bumper in a hard enough tap is damaged, and replacement now costs as much as $2000. On the older cars with the metal bumpers you could see the cost to get it fixed was nothing compared to the technology laden bumpers of today. A small 5 mph tap is very expensive now unfortunately. CR is very good to tell the story about the bumper basher - I remember that test years ago, and I wondered about the cost - knowing now it was costing them in excess of $50,000 a year in the end just says it all.
CR failed to mention what makes this Pilot (and corporate cousin Acura MDX) such a great driving SUV, and that is the I-VTM4 all wheel drive system. It’s ability to transfer 70% of engine torque to the rear wheels and 100% of that to either side is unique among all SUVs in this class. When accelerating into a RH or LH turn, or out of a curve, it feels like a rear wheel drive vehicle! It’s unlike any other FWD based vehicle I’ve driven.
The one real negative issue with this new Pilot is the small size (7” or 9”) of the infotainment screen, which is not competitive!
Thanks for addressing my question regarding bumpers and gov't requirements. So you're telling me that somehow, the auto industry lobbied the agency that made the 2.5 mph bumper rule to not apply it to SUVs, the biggest selling segment in the country? Good grief Charlie Brown! Maybe you guys should lobby whoever makes these rules to apply them to SUVs?
Definitely over price. I drove the trail sport and the touring. The 9 inch screen is not as good as from
other manufacturers. The trail sport rides well but there is noise coming through the cabin. I thought it would be better insulated from the road. The dealership wanted $53,500.00 including state tax.
You used to get Pilots for 15+ percent off, one of the few Hondas that did incentives, I bet when the market goes back to normal it’ll be good
She's full of it
This is the weirdest review of the pilot I’ve read yet. They are directly going against every other reviewer saying the handling is poor and not as good as other vehicles.
Even car enthusiasts Savage Geese peg this vehicle has the best non-luxury 3 row on the market.
I’d love to hear more and what vehicles they feel is superior.
I’m just a normal guy but I drove this, Highlander, and the Telluride. This handles better, more like German cars I’d say. If you’ve driven a newer Tiguan this has the same precision as that even though it’s bigger, I found it nice.
They didn't call the handling poor. Yes, there's body roll, but so do most SUV's, especially the large ones. And they didn't seem to agree with her about the handling.
Too bad it looks like a Chevy or GMC product from the side.
You realize "every other reviewer" spent like an hour with this car so far, right? At least CR just calls it a "first drive" whereas all the bloggers and youtubers clamor for clicks and give snap verdicts. Every new car to those people is the best fill-in-the-blank. And they get paid to review the cars. Dunno why you're falling for it. Besides, it's probably gonna score really high in CR anyway. The article says they made "big strides." Just one person here said they thought it didn't handle great.
Imo, the Pathfinder looks a lot better in all its angles than the Pilot. The same is true in the interior. My preferred placement of ac vents on the second and third row seats is on the headliner, which the Pathfinder has. Wireless Apple Carplay and Android Auto are also standard on the Pathfinder and not on Pilot. The Pilot looks really boxy, and the headlights look cheap except for the DRL, and the inside is so bland. Between the two, I'd choose and buy a Pathfinder.
So if they still have the V6 in their stocks, why the heck did they take it out of the Honda Accord?
I am perplexed by rear seat reminders. Is this really an issue?
So many people leaving children in vehicles. As to why can't explain every case. Some are intentional but others are accidental. By this being a large passenger vehicle makes sense.
People these days think men can have periods...it's probably for the best.
Right. If you cant remember you have a kid or a pet in the back seat then you should not HAVE EITHER!
Thumbs up on the new theme song.
OOOooo new intro!
When will there be an updated Passport? My basic frugal road trip car today is a 2023 Subaru Outback Onyx 2.5 for about MSRP 34K.
No sunroof, no GPS, and in a pinch a 6 footer can sleep in it.
Honda is planning one, probably will come out within the year or next year
Don’t hold your breath for a similar redesigned Passport; I’m not convinced Honda will offer it due to sales volume. All the manufacturers are prioritizing compact and larger 3-row SUVs today. The midsize 2-row SUVs are getting left behind. For example, Cadillac is not going to offer the next generation XT5 in North America; it will be for the China market.
If Honda does offer a redesigned Passport, I think it will be a 2025 MY.
After Ridgeline redesign at sametime.
@Mark I think they will have it but will be slightly different than Pilot this time.
I think Ridgeline and Passport will be more TrailSport based vehicles. They might have normal TrailSport suspension as standard, then maybe something even more off-road capability.
I keep saying the Honda didn't do the development of TrailSport Pilot for Pilot.
I pretty sure this was done for Ridgeline and Passport models. They will tweak them differently.
They been using the term our most capable off-road vehicle yet.
like the new intro
Almost got the 3 Mikes on the episode. Inching closer and closer, why must you tease us like this.
It's only Wednesday talking cars came out
What will help to sell more SUV Pilot?
Currently, the driver's Seat comes with 10-Way Power Adjustment, Including 2-way Power Lumbar Adjustment, it needs to be a 4-way Power Lumbar like the Accord, and Odyssey...???????
Both front seats need to have all the possible adjustments like the European car
How hard is it to add Integrated Sunshades for 3rd rows?
Adding Magic Slide middle seating from the Odyssey will help people move the seat to the center so they can title the back of the seat to the back so they could sleep
Adding Rear-Seat 3rd-Rows with Folding Center Armrest from the Odyssey 2010-2021 or the CR-V
It is better without the plastic-looking on the bottom of the car. It needs to have only metal and paint, paint makes the car shine and look more like a luxury car, the Pilot deserves to be a luxury car
The plastic-looking on the bottom of the car makes it look cheap
I'm sure the crooked Stealerships will have $10,000 price gouging on the Pilot..especially in Tennessee..
Of course. They are greedy like everyone else!
Bumpers used to be strong enough to be used as a jacking point for changing a tire.
Yeah 30+ years ago
Yes, and they were way deadlier in a crash.
Borderline unwatchable review of the Pilot. Inconsistent terms, mixed messages. Your editorial standards are slipping.
LOL
I loved the comedic chemistry of these three in this episode
😂
Where is Gabe?
This is not a proper review. Feels like they are trying to hard to describe things that are really not really that big a deal. Feels picky and not thoughtful.
It's the Honda Large SUV.
Very practical!
Here is my issue with this vehicle: The Telluride is boxy, but it looks stylish (especially pre-refresh); the Pilot is boxy, and it looks like an old Ford product already.
You a bit right but its a Kia don’t compare to a Honda
I agree with Jose.... Kia did a great job with the Telluride setting the standard high for a mid size; but at the end of the day no one expects Kia would beat in quality any of the Jap manufacturers
I disagree Acura/Honda still look good decades later. The Hyundai and Kia with design don't last as long. They also don't keep their freshness.
@@fredmoss4540I agree
Really. One reviewer declares that the handling is too swoopy after taking it for a drive “ nearby”
Not one other review has said anything other thAn it has good handling. Let’s be professional
The dealbreaker for me on all of the Honda re-stylings of the last two years is their lack of style or sophistication or distinctiveness
Agreed. The Honda interiors seem to borrow from each other. Civic/Accord/CR-V/Pilot.
Tbh id pick the pathfinder over this. It looks alot better and drives alot smoother and responds a bit more aggressively imo. with similar powertrains and fuel economy, I’d rather take that over this.
Pathfinder uses a CVT that blows and looks like fat fly saucer. Anyone that buys a Nissan unless it's their Nissan Frontier is getting ripped off. If you bought a Toyota I could atleast understand that
@@robertblack6630the current Pathfinder does NOT have a CVT, it has a 9-spd transmission.
@@robertblack6630 clearly u dont know that the 2022 pathfinder comes with a 9 speed automatic transmission and ditched the cvt.
"Drives a lot smoother" isn't very descriptive - can you elaborate? I did a 24hr test drive of the latest Pathfinder. I found it a bit too trucklike in ride quality (sort of crashy over sharp bumps) although fine on regular bumps and the seats were not very comfortable. It did seem to handle pretty well for a big vehicle, but at the cost of ride comfort. It also had terrible seat heaters that didn't get very hot and the rear seats heaters didn't heat up at all. I've not had a chance to test drive the Pilot yet though for comparison.
There was already a head to head comparison of the two vehicles the Pathfinder uses a ZF sourced 9 speed but upgraded version. The Honda Pilot redesign now uses an in-house Honda 10 speed transmission. The new Pilot also has a few other strong points over the Pathfinder. However, Pathfinder can tow more the 5,000lb Max AWD Pilot.
It seems odd that they kept the V6, when so much competition goes turbo 4. Personally I think Honda builds a great turbo 4 - I own two. I like an NA six as much as anyone, but it makes so much sense with the direction of government regulations.
because they don’t have a big 4cyl turbo yet?
Acura/Honda has a Turbo V6 found in Type S MDX. I knew they wouldn't use that. The regular MDX uses a V6. The Ridgeline Pickup Truck uses V6 Passport and Odyssey also. I didn't see them going away from that.
Why not regular car reviews like you guys used to do back in 2010s. It was good to hear a 7 min review than a 40min
Just listen at 1.5x speed. Problem solved 😆
CR, stick to reviewing toasters, not automobiles
Lol Jeff needs to learn to drive and observe properly
Jazzy
Wow , its not a road-trip car? 🙄 great..
The forced bonhomie is _sooo_ tiresome. It's OK in small doses but not every topic needs a pun...a belly laugh...or a reference back to something else. The new titles are nice, though.
All the technology on new cars are making them more dangerous, stop the madness, I can't afford this bs.
Wow, these reviews are getting weak.
soooo, as they are talking about the V6, the lady car expert kinda chirps..."they are behoind" as he says there is something sweet about a 6 cylinder.
is she another hire for diversity?
i mean, does she know anything about engines and reliability, especially a turbo vs a NA six????
honda is "behind" because of this wonderful engine???????
oh how CR has fallen as a trusted advisor on consumer goods and why would anybody listen to them befor spending 50K.
IDK why, but it takes an especially fragile man to feel some kinda way because a woman doesn't have the same opinion about an engine. Anyway, I digress:
1. "behoind" isn't a word.
2. That "lady" has a name
3. That "lady" has a freaking PhD in pediatric injury biomechanics. She's an expert in her area, but also brings a POV that many car purchasers can relate to.
I guess if one only sees things through the narrow lens of bigotry and misogyny, then sure she brings absolutely no value or expertise to CR, so go off and call her a "diversity hire" if that makes you feel better 🥱
Pelican above sounds like he listens to two-faced Tucker Carlson, frustrated he is jobless "self employed" and worships "meatball" DeSantis (not my words, Trumps). Based on his name ("Pellico") bet his ancestors were not on the Mayflower either. Bigot.
@@lukerinderknecht2982just because she has a PhD in whatever non-employable degree that was, doesn’t mean she knows anything about automobiles!
@@lukerinderknecht2982 "a freaking PhD in pediatric injury biomechanics" -- 🤣🤣🤣🤦♀
This trio is even more irritating than Gabe chronically saying “aaaaaah” after every word. Quincy is the “Dad” who faces the wrong way in an elevator and talks about how expensive parking downtown is….
Almost as irritating as useless comments from overly opinionated randos online. Find another outlet for your negativity.
@@lukerinderknecht2982 *picks up mirror, shines it directly in your face 🪞Mr. Redneckt. Like what you see? 🤡