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Another idea, be a commisar with guardsmen at your service, and the hability of litany that boost the damage of nearby marines and your own guardsmen or that makes you and your squad immortal for 10 secs or so
@@Reginald-sc9tk As much as I like and respect the idea, that’ll defeat the purpose of the game. The purpose of Space Marine 2 is to play as a space marine. Not play as a guardsman. As much as that would be an interesting concept, it’ll dilute the experience for those wanting to play as space marines. Should that ever happen, we might as well be playing with the low level Tyranids. If you want to play as a guardsman (or close to it), play Darktide. There’s even an Arma 3 40k community where you can play in guardsman units. Look up TIOW arma 3 for more information. (TH-cam ate this comment.😂)
@@gustavogaltieri29 immortal i would say is too op and idk why a commisar should be able to boost a space marine. because like if we are talking in rank or something like that i am pretty sure space marine outranks a commisar by alot.
The way the ideal 'Imperial Guardsman' game would work is exactly like the opening of Battlefield 1. Specifically the scene where you are a lone soldier that inevitably dies, the camera pans out, and is IMMEDIATELY shoved into the POV of yet another soldier.
that sounds kinda similar to the only real 2 changes I'd make to idea 1 suggested in the video. 1: 9 AI squadmates per guardsman player (make it a minimum sized squad) 2: when a player dies instead of taking 20 seconds to respawn they instantly take the place of the AI squad member with the highest HP, all AI squad members respawn when you reach a checkpoint. if you die with no AI guardsmen remaining you have to wait the full 60 seconds before coming back with a new squad of 9 AI teammates.
@@camerapasteurize7215 ah... admittedly I haven't played Battlefield, I only knew about that section from the comment I replied to, and the only part of that that the comment really got across was the "you are expendable" bit. also, to be fair, in 40K the "yet unique" bit probably wouldn't carry across anyway. if 40K tried that idea the quote would probably end up being "you are expendable precisely because of how replaceable you are, there are trillions of other soldiers exactly like you waiting to take your place"
People keep saying darktide, eh it is not the same feeling we want. We dont want beating the odds in an uncanny way, we want to actually see the real odds, die then be replaced by the next wave of reinforcements.
You understand exactly. I even mention it in the video. My DT vet can slay 1000s every game solo. My DT vet would curbstomp all 3 space Marines simultaneously.
@@blackicegamingchannel Also not quite right, besides the fact that you're not a guardsman. The last time I played with claysthetics the 4 of us killed like 2400 bugs.
@@Reginald-sc9tk Hej if you want to try play as a guardsman in Space Marine 2 try get your hands on the leaked version off the game, it comes with Debug/Development tools ingame, where u can swap to any other character on the battle field, I tryed it on the guardsmen on the first level and i was able to move around and shoot with them.
@@blackicegamingchannel Eh hell divers 2 is mechanically sure you are expendable, but you at most only lose 24 people. High tech, air support, big space guns, orwellian government... that is the Tau
I'd kill for a 16-32 man guardsman only mode. Defending an objective in a fortified position like a trench for a set time (10 min) until the Ultramarines drop-in to save the day would go so hard.
@@johndane9754 more the merrier but at a certain point there are diminishing returns and could be easily filled by bots beyond 32. That being said, 128 player-controlled Cadians all screaming into proximity voice chat would be a sight and sound to behold.
Hear me out.. the guardsmen get an arty call-in. You ping a spot and like 3 earthshaker shells come down. I kinda just really want to see call-ins added but guard would be the one to do it on.
I am a player who prefer lower dificulty games, but this game is not too hard (if you find it too hard lower your difficulty instead of whining about, it it's there for a reason.) AND I WOULD ABSOLUTELY PLAY AS A GUARDSMAN SQUAD!
@@Falschera not even "lower the difficulty" just get good, I just completed some ruthless runs with lvl 10 assault and sniper to level them, completely doable while not holding your team back and barely falling one time if I did
Thats until a Guardsmen only game comes out and suddenly youll see gameplay of people killing the final boss with only the starting melee weapon, a knife, said boss being something really high up the powerscale like some Chaos Lord or an Ork Bozz Without taking damage btw
Lorewise being an Imperial guardsman is actually pretty damn great compared to the majority of Imperial life. Most guardsmen get paid pretty well generally and get well dieted food, especially compared to their less specialized and lower skilled counterparts the PDF troopers. Hell you'll likely get to be apart of your very own inner regimental gang. The Imperium, considering it's size and logistical challenges, does a pretty great job most of the time keeping their guard regiments in good order. Most guard regs don't even see the apocalyptic full scale war that's often depicted in mainline 40k lore, the reason being is because there are no space marines in those easier campaigns. TLDR: Guard be chilling, fucking and fighting a good fair fight 90% of the time.
Lorewise Guardsmen regiments can get screwed over by the political shenanigans going up in higher command echelons, you'll most likely never return to your homeworld ever again but hey, the free travel. Heck, in one of the Gaunt's Ghosts books they had a entire supply problem because the lasrifle charge packs the Tanith's First lasrifles use were completely out of stock because they stocked a standard completely different from them resulting in them effectively going into a mission with only the charge packs they had when they came into the operation. Though you are right about most of it I'm mainly nitpicking over here
The best way I've seen to replicate the vulnerability and expendability of a guardsman was seen in the intro(?) to battlefield 1. You were a rando and you were expected to die and once your time came you were very quickly replaced by another rando, and another. Respawn was near instant to reflect the huge number of bodies with guns on the field. You never really "die", you aren't "a" guardsman, you are the guard itself as a faction.
Ok but let's add the respawn sistem from Easy Red 2 where instead of dying you take control of another squad member and when the squad gets wiped out you respawn as another squad.
There was an older battlefield that had this system, in the campaign you can press a button to switch between any npc you have visual on. The game was janky as all hell but it was pretty cool and great fun.
Okay, hear me out. Helldiver x Enlisted mechanics. You can play guardsman, but as a Cadian Drop troop or some elite squad. Three players, each one a squad of 6(1 player, 6 controllable). You can call in artillery, strikes and additional supplies (if available). While controlling one, you are the squad lead and the other 5 are AI (Hopefully good AI). If you die, Enlisted mechanics take over and you take control of the next in command rank of your squad (one of the other 5). If all are dead, respawn a little far away as a reinforcement squad and make your way back to OBJ. Your main missions are to flush out Xenos and Heretics in areas inaccessible to space marines and/or scout and fight together with AI space marines. Vents, tunnels, trenches, and deep swamps. Thats 18 guardsmen in a lobby, equip em all with hellguns and we're in for a pretty light show.
@GenJuhru a theoretical Guardsman class's special ability could be to call for artillery support. It would be extremely powerful, but only available in open areas.
Focus entertainment has a space marine 2 forum for ideas like this. Some of the ideas from there are already in the game. They generally rank ideas if they gain enough traction in categories like must have or out of vision.
yeah man I was thinking of a game mode where a player can be a carnifex vs 3 space marines or something. Just like the asymmetrical multiplayer games that have come out in recent years.
Needs a "Transhuman Dread" function where if he uses a fast gap-closing charge-attack with a loud warcry that blurrs the guardsman's vision or something.
@@skiadrum9029 Or why not different legions to have different abilities? Night Lords for stealthy plays, Thousand sons for warp stuff, World Eaters for some brutal melee etc.
And for tank deployments, you can choose to spawn in as either a leman russ tank, chimaera, or even a space marine that can drop everywhere on the map via drop pod
@@Reginald-sc9tkEternal Crusade? I remember that I played it like 5 or 6 years ago and it had some battlefield-ish elements. I heard it was supposed to be more like Planetside but the final game came out being nothing like that at all. Surreal that I played a game that I will never be able to play again because it shutdown forever. It was kinda fun but not what people expected. What a shame.
What i'd love to see is IF they didn't exactly implement guardsman class, you should atleast be able to command them. Like "hold position", "charge" or having them aim for specific enemies.
Y'know, a Guardsman 1st or 3rd person shooter would be a great idea for a Warhammer 40k game especially! It can basically be a Battlefront, Battlefield or Helldivers type game.
I was thinking something similar to Natural Selection / NS2. You could play as the guardsman or be the commander of the battlefield. Something PVE or PVP, multiplayer coop, or a helldivers type but more players.
It's kind of like the reverse argument of a Mary Jane level from Spider-Man except everyone does want to just play the powerless just to see what it's like. That's the 40K affect right there.
Had no issues playing the game with randoms. Have all the data. Private servers aren't needed and make the game seem dead. They need proper vid clipping/reporting of cheaters and last stage kickers. Evertime you have to deal with a less than teammate you get a bit better and maybe learn something. Took em 13 years to get this out, enjoy it a little.
The ideal Guardsmen Game would be similar to ODST. You play as a Lucifer Black, you drop ship on a world that is under siege by... whatever, the rest of your unit is cut off or killed, you have to finish the mission and survive for extraction all without the plot armor that cushions the every step of a Space Marine.
this reminds me of an idea I had for a multiplayer shooter where you can play as all the basic infantry of every faction, wanna play as skitarii? a eldar guardian? an ork boy? go ahead, thatd be such a cool idea
the thing with guardsmen is that i'm 100% certain a solid percentage of them survived the entire campaign, primarily thanks to titus and the gang i absolutely went out of my way to save them lol
People keep saying they don't want a game where you beat the odds, because it's not realistic Even guardsmen get their main character moments sometimes You don't need to be all powerful, but a main character guardsman would absolutely have gamer brain and just survive by the skin of their teeth It's why I like darktide, that whole game is just like the inquisition farming for the Emperor's chosen
Just so you know.... We can trampled a chaos cultist that's probably guardsmen size without any problem. So imagine a gigantic man in a gigantic power armor walk pass you and step on you.
In all fairness Player characters are always more sturdy than random chaff And thats a common thing in most Warhammer 40k games already, from a lone Fire Warrior killing dozens of Marines and even greater demons to 4 hobos facing off Demonhost and Beasts of Nurgle (without even getting infected with the pletora of diseases those carry) So i can see it being a thing if done right
Yes, the boltpistols and Boltguns need a bit more power, indeed. I had to smile as I heard you saying it, because as I played the Campaign of SM2 I saw some Guardmen, killing Hormagaunts with a single shot of their Flashlights. I felt a bit sad that I needed a half vlip of my Boltpistol to do the same. But also a bit proud of the Super-Tech the Allfather gave to our little but brave Guardsmen. 😁
An exceptionally gifted, lucky Guardsman can last as long a Space Marine Plenty of Guard special force have the same points cost as a basic Space Marine
We should have an Imperial Guard MMO: - You create your guardsman, select a background, and then you are placed in one of hundreds of possible deployment sites. From defending a Garrison on a remote planet, travelling in massive ships that can attack or be attacked by any number of enemies, active warzones, to patrolling Citadel Cities, you are needed everywhere! - We fight ALL enemies of humanity, none of this weakling talk like " ooOOOO bUt wErE nOt SpAcE MaRiNes! " Tell that to the Commissar and let us know how it goes Soldier! - Quest Lines for all locations, you are only deployed to a region for so long so these arcs would be shorter but would then turn to open to many objectives you and your fellow Guardsmen would need to complete in warzones / battlefields, we're here to wage war after all! - Active Battle Sites / War Zones in All Locations Except Forge Sites. Hundreds of players fighting alongside hundreds of fellow NPC guardsmen, based on the threat level of your deployment, reinforcements could have NPC armies like Space Marines arrive!! But enemy reinforcements are just as likely to turn the tide of battle when you least expect it!! - Summon NPC Reinforcements in a similar fashion to DoW 2 Redemption Last Stand Mode. (Up to 20 Imperial Guard units of your choice, Vehicles Too! Unlocked via purchase with earned currency / Rank) - Call in air strikes, artillery, and more! (Earned through Rank, permanently unlocked) - Rank in short, is your player level that is adjusted based on your contributions, completed quests, and participation in major game turning points. - Daily Labors, from farming, to mining, to working in forges, repairing infrastructure: these labors can be done manually to earn crafting materials while contributing to the active war effort. Can also assign Labors for your character to complete when you aren't logged in! Characters cannot be attacked in Labor areas, but upon losing territory are transported to evacuation shuttles and reassigned. Guardsmen can be assigned to active battles, earn xp, increase rank, but will need to tend wounds and repair gear upon login. - Toggle between Isometric view, First Person, and Third Person. - Cosmetic unlocks, Permanent / Legacy (Crafted or Earned via Battle Accolades) - Gear and Vehicle unlocks, Permanent / Legacy (Crafted or Earned) - Skills and Perks, Permanent / Legacy (Earned via Battle Accolades, Quests, Crafting, and Daily Labors) - Eventually you can earn a high enough rank to get your own Devourer Dropship, and access to intergalactic deployment! -Living World: Every NPC and every last player, whether Active Duty or in AFK Labor Mode, all contribute to the war effort, a truly interactive universe that you are an active part of! Pretty specific I know xD Let me know what you guys think!
That would probably be the ideal, a Kasrkin Sergeant or something of the sort. I think the only way most Guard setups would function is if you're a squad leader of some variety, it would give the vibe of being one of many while still making your character not literally useless.
I honestly think it’s be better if it’s all or nothing with the guardsmen, like every player would have to agree to play guardsman. 1:Because it would make it so much more of a vibe and it kinda takes away from the space marine fantasy if you just have so,e random guardsman there. 2:Balancing wise I think it makes more sense since ideally they would be weaker than the other classes but have that much different horde play style and so space marine players might not want guardsmen on harder difficulties. I love this idea though and it’s a great video! Been praying for some guardsman action where you just get butchered lol
My idea for a Guardsmen Class would be. All the basics are here. 1 wound 1 armor Can dodge but can't parry. Veteran: the basic Guardsmen, can switch out lasgun for Plasma Gun, Melta Gun, Flamer & Boltgun. Commissar: Have buffing aura similar to Bulwark. Boosting Damage and Armor Recharge. Akimbo Pistol & Melee and is the only Guardsmen that can Parry and Gunstrike but they don't instant kill just Stun. But not agianst large enemies and bosses only gaunts, tzangors and warriors at most but not Rubrics or Terminators.
If money wasn't an issue, I'd change Veteran into a Tempestus Scion or Kasrkin with Carapace and Hotshot Lasgun. Hellgun would feel similar to the Heavy Bolt Rifle fast firing but instead of reloading needs to cooldown. Carapace would give them 1 Armor but a Bonus 1 armor at the start of the mission and after killing Majoris+ enemy. There ability would be "Bring It Down!!" giving them a damage bonus for a short time similar to executioner stance. They can Parry and Block enemies like the commissar but only have access to the Combat Knife encouraging them to stay at a distance.
These are perfect ideas. Why not submit this to the developers for future dlc content because i would totally pay for dlc to be a guardsman maybe with minimal customization
Yeah i love this idea, im waiting for horde mode to come out even though operations look great, i hope they eventually add this or make there next game a halo reach like fall of cadia epic. Where you are one of the last ones fighting as the planet cracks!
A guardsman class where you are the sargant/commisar and you have a group of 4 other AI Guardsman, when you target a specific enemy, it focus fires on that enemy and all AI in your squad shoot to bring it down would be awesome. having a special where you summon even more guardsman for 30 seconds with a heavy weapons crew that lay down heavy bolter fire in a general area would be awesome to clear hordes. Make it a supplimental class to the space marine group so you got 3 marines and 2 guardsman sargants would be awesome. Maybe even multiple guardsman classes... 1. commisar-buffs guards and marines 2. commando- does more damage and can "plant" a melta bomb by going invisible just like sniper, doesn't decloak while planting, only when attacking 3. heavy specialist- can summon a group of heavy bolter gunners to mow down hordes 4. Logistics specialist- can summon an ammo crate and medicae that heals both marines and guardsman over time
Oh my god. I remeber when DarkTide came out and everybody wanted to play a Space marine. Now Space marine 2 is out and everybody wants to play a Guardsman
Let me add onto this, if that's ok! Also, feel free to yoink this, and make a follow up video! 😅 You should have your squad of guardsmen, you play the Sergeant or veteran usually, and if you die, your perspective and control SWITCHES to one of your 4 basic guys! You then have a 20 second respawn/REINFORCE timer, and after that time, you get a replacement veteran to jump back into. I see this working like this, Instead of health per say, you get a total number of reinforcements. Every time a grunt or vet dies, you lose 1. You either get one back every 30-60 seconds, OR you have a larger pool and you're limited to that for the whole mission / per checkpoint. You can even give like 20~% of your reinforcements back at each significant checkpoints. Next, while you may have to wait 20, 30, 40, or even 60 seconds to get your actual veteran back, you get a grunt replaced every 5-10 seconds. If the whole squad dies before you come back, that's like your "proper long cooldown death" / death death if you're the last alive! I feel like this would make it feel like you're playing as a platoon of guardsmen, but controlling "YOUR" GUARDSMAN!
Someday loanshark will add carapace helmets with visors in it. Just like hotshot. So we could show 'em the ol' kasrkin double tap. We live to fight and we fight to live.
Fantastic video lad! The only thing I disagree with is the whole no parrying or executions thing. For parrying, guardsmen could only parry and block gaunts, since a bayonet lets your gun act like a spear, the parry can be guardsmen holding it out and catching the gaunt mid-jump, firing once to ensure the kill, then shaking it off, the only way to block, not parry, warriors, is if you have a chainsword or powersword. As for gun strikes, gaunts only, it would be your guardsmen swinging his lasgun like a club and bashing the gaunt away, before shooting it. For executions, it would be locked to gaunts and warriors only, for gaunts, its simple as just your guardsmen stabbing the gaunt in the neck and then shooting once or simply stabbing the hell out of the gaunt. For warriors, it would be a team effort, your guardsmen first stabs the warrior in the neck, then another comes from behind and stabs it the back of the head, then you both shoot to finish the job. Another execution is you dodging a strike and then shooting the offending limb off, before 2 other guardsmen come and blow the remaining limbs off, with a final shot to the head. You would only be able to solo execute a warrior if you have a chainsword equipped or similar, it would be you stabbing the chest and letting the chainsword rev, before quickly blowing the head off with your pistol. The team execution is inspire by the latest episode of tithes, where 2 guardsmen work together to stab an ork to death, and the chainsword executions being based off an animation of a commissar fighting heretics, where he does exactly that to one such heretic. Speaking of heretics, you would only be to execution traitor guardsmen and tzaangors, for traitors, it would be either you stabbing the neck and shooting, or stabbing and then withdrawing to slash the heretic across the throat, for gors, it would be you stabbing the gor in the chest with a charging tackle, and then firing as many times as need, to ensure the kill. For parrying, only one of them fatal, it would be you blocking the tzaangors sword and pushing it back, with a chainsword, you would parry the sword and then quickly getting into the beasts guard to slice it down from the chest, spilling its guts. And that's all, once more, excellent vid lad, perhaps as a follow-up, you could include squad customization? Your guardsmen for the most part will carry the stand kit, but you can choose between lasgun variants, and some members can be chosen to carry a special weapon, such as a flamer or grenade launcher, and 2 of them can carry a heavy weapon, such a heavy bolter/flamer, a lascannon, or a autocannon. The weapon carriers will be quite vulnerable however, as they will move slower and they have to set up first if they wish to shoot their weapon and will lose the ability to move, and if you wish to move them, they have to get up and pack up their weapon. The only weapon that doesn't do this, is the heavy flamer, but are still slower due to carrying both a big weapon and its ammo. But to compensate, it offers a powerful on demand defense, for swarm clearing or monster hunting. Once again lad, excellent video and keep up the good work!
Either a star wars battlefront-esque guard PVP mode, or an Enlisted-style "you are the squad, you can change between which squad member you control and can equip them all individually, etc." for the base game would work wonderfully.
I like this idea. It gives a nice middle ground between no playable guardsmen and doing yet another Imperium focused game. Plus it’d help make things a bit more lore accurate, since in books and such a Guard can definitely 1v1 a space marine and win (not often mind you, but the odds are greater than 0%). We also have traitor guard so it also works in PVP, especially if we do the idea of having 4 bot guard following you around. Imagine if all you and your homies select Guard and just swarm the enemy. I’d pay good money to watch a Bulwark get torn into by 15 traitor guard like a bunch of piranhas
There just should be a battlefield like game where you play as imperial guard and few players could hop in space marine roles and then fight chaos that just pretty much has the same lineup with spikes and some unique vehicles like helldrakes. Ofcourse in an ideal world it would have all the factions but much more easy to balance just IGvsChaos.
I would love to assist my buddies as a little guardsmen when their lobbies are full. Just being able to play with them would be awesome (since for some reason PvP parties are still capped at 3 for some reason).
I would 100% play that, honestly that first idea would be amazing and running around with a lil' hoard of 15 guardsmen would be badass. Smol adjistment tho, you get to customize the guardsmen you spawn with. You can give them melta cannons, hot shot volley guns, shotguns, ect. If they would be worried about players dying too much, they could just make them sicons to even the playing field a lil'
To add to the proposal 1, you can add like a points system where you start from 1000 or more and it decreases every time your character dies or your bot squad mate. -50 points for bots dying and -100 points when the character that you play as dies.
If you could play as a guardsmen you should be able to pick up a full on bolt gun off the ground to get one shot off and instantly die because it blew your arm and half your torso off with it from the recoil, but you got that one shot off!
Something i think would pair well with this, Is if for the 3 choosable perks for every level, Since each Class basically gets 3 rows of perks, Is if the Guardsmen perks were divided into "Fortify" "Kasrkin" and "Company", Quite simply Fortify would basically just allow you to spawn the Heavy-Bolters we see guardsmen deploy in the Campaign with buffs focused around them, sandbags, barbedwire, ammo-crates, that kinda stuff. Kasrkin would be about upgrading your Bot Guardsmen and Self to deal more damage, take more hits and be better at standing your own, With Company just... Giving more guardsmen, and thats it, More Guardsmen, more often, all of the time, No special Abilities, just more guys and gals with las and flak.
idea 1 is probably my favorite but I'd make 2 changes to it. 1: would be to the number of guardsmen. 5 isn't a proper squad when it comes to guardsmen. over time across many editions of 40K guardsmen have rather consistently had 10 as their minimum squad size. maximum squad size has varied a lot over the years, back when I started playing it was supposedly 50 (I admittedly didn't collect Imperial Guard at the time so I don't have the relevant codex to check the rules), for a while it was 30, and checking current rules it's now 20. let's bring 9 bots per guardsman player instead, that way 1 guardsman player ends up with a minimum sized squad of guardsmen, meanwhile 3 guardsman players would end up with 30. 2: respawn mechanics. instead of having AI guardsmen respawn on a 20 second timer they instead usually only respawn at checkpoints (the same checkpoints that let Space Marines instantly come back), at which point your squad is replenished to maximum and all the AI squad members are fully healed (Space Marine bots already fully restore health at checkpoints so I don't see any balance issues here). when a player dies they instantly respawn taking the place of the AI squad member with the highest health remaining. if your team completely runs out of AI guardsmen it's the regular 60 second timer for respawn at which point you'll come back with 9 AI squad members (if a 2nd player dies during those 60 seconds they'll come back at the same time as the first player, taking the place of one of those AI squad members)
I looooooooove the whole idea, particularly the part of playing as a mini group of Guardsmen, like a small team that moves together, imagine the posibilites of cool team animations . Maybe it could be a technical challenge for the devs but it would be amazing
The first proposal is the best one... playing the operations as guards and you could make it as you can only respawn in some parts of the missions, so that you have reenforciments and stuff. But the best part is that it needs to be balance the way the game is right now, it needs to be brutal.
It would be so cool to run a guardsman squad as a sergeant you can order with your special ability or let them just follow you. Sergeant gets a power saber and a weak plasma pistol that also can explode. Each squad gets two special weapons users, that will take up the primary equipment slot. Customization should allow you to create the full squad to your liking. Squad members respawn at check points or with you when you die. You don’t go down, you have a mortal wound the entire time. You can’t carry guardian relics, one pip of armor, and squad perks could include something along the lines of either giving each squad member a lowly guardsmen to follow them around or a damage increase. Instead of switching to different guardsmen upon death, your squad just runs around doing what they can in the meantime, and when you respawn, you keep the same number of start members in your squad. Meaning if there are still 2 of your 10 man squad alive, you come back with 8 and group up with those 2.
I was also thinking to myself "I wish i could play as a guardsman" while playing through the campaign of SM2, would really love to seee something done with this idea aspecially like you said most of the necessary meterials are already there to make something like this, if it doesn't get official support theres always hope in the form of modders
I got a Simple concept to add. you're the sergeant/veteran. Your role on the team isn't to slaughter hordes. It's to provide support for our smurfy marines. Your bot-squad follows you and shoots at things, and you, as the officer carry a type of lasgun (or hellgun/long-las ect) and a special weapon. Such as a plasma gun (which explodes if it overheats), a rotary grenade launcher, or a flamer. You're basicly a mix of a meat-shield and fire support, and you probably have lower target priority from the enemies because you're not the 2 tons of armor and rage charging at them.
Morale. It should be like the special ability that Spehss Mareens get only you have to have it activated all the time to be effective. Heck, maybe have it so you're peak as long as you haven't been attacked.
I played the game on hardmode when I played the campaign for the first time, as the "Intended" experience, which was a lot of fun. Though I'll admit, I had liked but also was surprised by just how quickly the Guardsmen died whenever you have them. I remember the first time I fought with guardsmen in the game, it was when we were fighting the Tyranids. That first fight went really well. We engaged, me and my brother's line held and while the little guys would rush through, a majority of them died with the more advanced types of 'nids. Yet when I turned around, not a single guardsman was left standing. I was disappointed, having thought I did well, but then I realized this was the genuine experience. I really enjoyed the game for that
Some friends and I talked about this at launch since we noticed the sheer variety of guardsmen so we had an idea that you'd effectively have another mode added onto the game, Campaign, Operations, Eternal War, Only in Death. Only in Death would be a purely guard centered gamemode where players would jump in as humans, guard vs cultists. Now originally we had an idea that it would be like eternal war but with humans so like instead of 6v6 it'd be 12v12 with new maps to compensate for the increased size. However someone bought up the idea of it being like Titanfall 1 with maps/games operating like campaigns or operations with actual objectives. Retrieve item and plant to blow hole in wall, make breach and then clear/capture an area then move on to arm/interface with some kind of beacon then move on to another capture phase and then game ends with a cutscene. If the game stalls for a certain time then the game would flip to the other side commencing an attack but if you failed to reach the end by a time point it would end with whoever has the most objectives completed winning. From there we kinda spun on about a whole bunch of other stuff like customization, weapons, classes, abilities and even how the camera would work, gameplay mechanic and stuff. This convo went on for like two or three hours with us hashing out this idea. Even tho it's SUPER unlikely or just straight up never gonna happen it would be incredibly cool and I feel would have even more people come to the game, you not only get Space Marines but Guard and it does sound counter-intuitive considering this is a game about Space Marines but like eh, it's fun
Proposal 2 would be the best option in my opinion seeing as it wouldn't make a lot of sense having a single guardsman on his own with 3 space marines. Personally I like the way it is, maybe another space marine would make it better, but so far I think 3 is working great. But I definitely argee that playing as a guardsman would be a lot of fun. My favourite part of the game is battling alongside guardsmen.
I like the idea of being a squad. You could even have different "classes," with a general purpose squad, a heavy weapons team (think heavy bolter/lascannon emplacement), stormtrooper squad, etc... You could direct the squad to engage certain targets, take up defensive positions and, most importantly, bayonet charge!
Could be cool to have guardsmen as the first class in horde mode, once you earn enough kills/points you can call in as an ultra marine or wait till the last possible wave you can handle as the guard before dropping in, then as marines keep building points/kills to be able to call in as a dreadnought till you’re brought down (or survive to the end) then respawn back in as a marine but cant call in another dreadlad instead gift points to another to call in their dread-dude, or like gears of war horde save points for an extra self rez, base fortifications additional guardsmen squads (possible to play as them if everything else has fallen) or save up points for dreadbois (everyone will save points for dreadnought…. Lets be honest 😂)
One other possibility is, a 10-15 player guardsman survival mode, where your objective is to hold off the Hord/Chaos Forces till the Ultra Marines come to the rescue. Respawn would be limited to 5~ times per round per player. Maybe even have mini missions in it that needs to be completed to improve your survival rates. But a straight up survival hord mode would be epic for both Ultra and Guardsmen. Maybe even the Ultra marines that come to save you are players completing a new operation type
I'd like one where you play a commisar where it's more of an inbetween. Duelling and parrying small enemies and you can kill guardsman if they try to run away due to low morale...or you have to execute the ones expossed to chaos.
I love how no matter what is laid out, someone (us Guard fans) WANT to be the poor regular humans facing unwinnable odds. Brings a tear to my eye, really. General Sturn really said it best.
There's a game where you can play as a Guardsman. It's called 'Only War', it's a P&P by 'Fantasy Flight Games'. And in the newest 40k P&P 'Imperium Maledictum' you could build a guardsman character as well. 😉
I do really like using the ping system as a way to add a bit of RTS into a Guardsman class, kinda like Republic Commndo or GRAW. Also, a lot of comments mention this, but having the bot squad be like a "soft respawn" of sorts like the B1 intro would just tie the whole thing together so nicely. If you're too aggressive with your squad, you essentially lose potential respawns in additional to enemy aggro and firepower. I also love playing the "little guy" in games like this. It's like being the UNSC marine facing the uneven odds of fighting the Covenant, but x100 in Warhammer 40K xD
A good ending for a guardsman game would be after seeing all your friends in your platoon die, you die in a horrific way. That's the true 40k experience
I'd love to see some sort of reverse "invasion" trope like in sniper elite, where as in sniper elite you invade as an enemy sniper, here you (and friends you could queue up with) could invade and take the place of an allied guardsman. The space marines wouldn't see you and differently out of the normal guardsman, but you know who you are
One perk I would say you could give guardsmen that would boost their value, though it is a bit stock standard, is give them an ability like the Space Marines, and that is to fully refill a Space Marine's ammo. Basically lore wise the Guardsman is stripping the dead of their ammo, tie their grenades to a cooldown based on how many enemies they kill, and give them unlimited ammo for the lasgun, as there are ammo packs everywhere on guardsmen corpses.
I think a good way to have a Guardsmen type game would be to basically copy the idea behind Enlisted. You control an entire squad of troops you can swap back and forth with and have multiple different types of squads you can spawn in with, vehicle squads included
Preach, brother preach. For ten thousand years we have hold the line to have no game for us, to only be subjugated to only being a background set piece for our lords.
My ultimate dream right now is for Saber/Focus to give the Space Marine II engine and assets to their other smaller dev teams, and each team makes a full spinoff game about different Imperial factions, complete with full Campaign and Co-operations: a Grey Knights game, a Sisters of Battle game, a Militarum game. ALL the fundamental foundation is set, they just have to get it made!
Maybe a pvp mode of 14 v 6 veteran guardsmen vs space marines, it could be called 'hunt' or something and the guardsmen would have to rely on swarming individual astartes, maybe bringing one down with a well placed melta shot or an unexpected 3-man bayonet charge from behind
This is exactly what I would want for the game, and i've bemoaned the lack of a guardsmen option every time ive played the campaign with friends. I recognise some might say "play darktide instead" but the two games are very different. The gameplay, the enemies, the thirdperson camera, the aesthetic, its all different in same ways that leads me to craving a guardsmen option for this game too. Thank you for making this video, a friend shared it with me!
Hear me out, they add an update with another battle system called, all out war, where we have guards men split into different classes like bf1, then you have space marine as special unit, lemon Russ, fighters ect, so destined battlefront and the enemy is chaos so the same but chaotic for the other side. Okay it may not be an update, like a whole ass new game, buuut yk hope yo hope
Proposal 4: If you ever played brothers in arms hells Highway-a system like that. You lead a squad of 12, not a fire team of 4. This way you have about a Platoon sized element with 3 players. Your pings allow you to prioritize units you can also suppress enemies instead of a perk system you have a “squad system” where you can create/customize your squads loadout as Defense: heavy weapons, slow, ideal for holding an area down or providing suppressive fire. Offensive: lightly equipped troops with heavier carapace armor intended for frontline assaults, more grenades, intended for assault purposes, will run out of ammo a lot faster than others Standard: typical dudes, not great or bad at anything, decent at everything bad at nothing. General purpose.
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@@Reginald-sc9tk good if we have the links but I cannot see where can I vote (and this platform is new for me. I have an account)
@@szabolcskarman955 You'll just follow it and comment on it I think, that's typically how it works in these systems.
Another idea, be a commisar with guardsmen at your service, and the hability of litany that boost the damage of nearby marines and your own guardsmen or that makes you and your squad immortal for 10 secs or so
@@Reginald-sc9tk As much as I like and respect the idea, that’ll defeat the purpose of the game. The purpose of Space Marine 2 is to play as a space marine. Not play as a guardsman. As much as that would be an interesting concept, it’ll dilute the experience for those wanting to play as space marines. Should that ever happen, we might as well be playing with the low level Tyranids.
If you want to play as a guardsman (or close to it), play Darktide. There’s even an Arma 3 40k community where you can play in guardsman units. Look up TIOW arma 3 for more information. (TH-cam ate this comment.😂)
@@gustavogaltieri29 immortal i would say is too op and idk why a commisar should be able to boost a space marine. because like if we are talking in rank or something like that i am pretty sure space marine outranks a commisar by alot.
The way the ideal 'Imperial Guardsman' game would work is exactly like the opening of Battlefield 1. Specifically the scene where you are a lone soldier that inevitably dies, the camera pans out, and is IMMEDIATELY shoved into the POV of yet another soldier.
that sounds kinda similar to the only real 2 changes I'd make to idea 1 suggested in the video.
1: 9 AI squadmates per guardsman player (make it a minimum sized squad)
2: when a player dies instead of taking 20 seconds to respawn they instantly take the place of the AI squad member with the highest HP, all AI squad members respawn when you reach a checkpoint. if you die with no AI guardsmen remaining you have to wait the full 60 seconds before coming back with a new squad of 9 AI teammates.
@@Eclipsed_Embers That defeats the whole purpose of "you are expendable, yet unique" feeling that the intro of Battlefield 1 gets across.
It should have an achievement for winning the game without losing the first guardsman. “AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA” - Sly Marbo.
@@camerapasteurize7215 ah... admittedly I haven't played Battlefield, I only knew about that section from the comment I replied to, and the only part of that that the comment really got across was the "you are expendable" bit.
also, to be fair, in 40K the "yet unique" bit probably wouldn't carry across anyway. if 40K tried that idea the quote would probably end up being "you are expendable precisely because of how replaceable you are, there are trillions of other soldiers exactly like you waiting to take your place"
@@Eclipsed_Embersso enlisted
People keep saying darktide, eh it is not the same feeling we want. We dont want beating the odds in an uncanny way, we want to actually see the real odds, die then be replaced by the next wave of reinforcements.
You understand exactly. I even mention it in the video. My DT vet can slay 1000s every game solo. My DT vet would curbstomp all 3 space Marines simultaneously.
Helldivers 2
@@blackicegamingchannel Also not quite right, besides the fact that you're not a guardsman. The last time I played with claysthetics the 4 of us killed like 2400 bugs.
@@Reginald-sc9tk Hej if you want to try play as a guardsman in Space Marine 2 try get your hands on the leaked version off the game, it comes with Debug/Development tools ingame, where u can swap to any other character on the battle field, I tryed it on the guardsmen on the first level and i was able to move around and shoot with them.
@@blackicegamingchannel Eh hell divers 2 is mechanically sure you are expendable, but you at most only lose 24 people. High tech, air support, big space guns, orwellian government... that is the Tau
I'd kill for a 16-32 man guardsman only mode. Defending an objective in a fortified position like a trench for a set time (10 min) until the Ultramarines drop-in to save the day would go so hard.
You have the aesthetic right
32 player-controlled guardsmen could probably kill a 3 players marine team with ease.
a.k.a we are Cadians we can handle ourselves!
Make it 64 and you got a deal.
@@johndane9754 more the merrier but at a certain point there are diminishing returns and could be easily filled by bots beyond 32.
That being said, 128 player-controlled Cadians all screaming into proximity voice chat would be a sight and sound to behold.
@@tonykriss1594how's cadia this time of the year?
people crying because they find the game "too hard"
Reginald : "let s do it as a guardsman !"
based
You got me exactly.
Hear me out.. the guardsmen get an arty call-in. You ping a spot and like 3 earthshaker shells come down.
I kinda just really want to see call-ins added but guard would be the one to do it on.
@@Inquisitor_Vex even with that you'd get shredded every 2 seconds, even playing perfectly
I am a player who prefer lower dificulty games, but this game is not too hard (if you find it too hard lower your difficulty instead of whining about, it it's there for a reason.) AND I WOULD ABSOLUTELY PLAY AS A GUARDSMAN SQUAD!
@@Falschera not even "lower the difficulty" just get good, I just completed some ruthless runs with lvl 10 assault and sniper to level them, completely doable while not holding your team back and barely falling one time if I did
Would bayonet charge the enemy wave to certain death. 10/10
a brother of the kreig.
Glory to you, brother
Screw bayonet charging, give me a Krieg skin and a shovel 🤣
Yes bro I would love to just die on repeat as hordes of invincible monsters literally eat my laser gun for a snack
Glad you agree bro
It's the dream
Thats until a Guardsmen only game comes out and suddenly youll see gameplay of people killing the final boss with only the starting melee weapon, a knife, said boss being something really high up the powerscale like some Chaos Lord or an Ork Bozz
Without taking damage btw
@@Kosmonaut-95 Always gonna be those guys so good at the game that they make everyone else seem bad at it.
Sly Marbo posting
I 100% would buy a Guardsman game itself, let alone an add-on to SMII for playing Guardsmen. I like your ideas!
Lorewise being an Imperial guardsman is actually pretty damn great compared to the majority of Imperial life. Most guardsmen get paid pretty well generally and get well dieted food, especially compared to their less specialized and lower skilled counterparts the PDF troopers. Hell you'll likely get to be apart of your very own inner regimental gang. The Imperium, considering it's size and logistical challenges, does a pretty great job most of the time keeping their guard regiments in good order. Most guard regs don't even see the apocalyptic full scale war that's often depicted in mainline 40k lore, the reason being is because there are no space marines in those easier campaigns.
TLDR: Guard be chilling, fucking and fighting a good fair fight 90% of the time.
Lorewise Guardsmen regiments can get screwed over by the political shenanigans going up in higher command echelons, you'll most likely never return to your homeworld ever again but hey, the free travel. Heck, in one of the Gaunt's Ghosts books they had a entire supply problem because the lasrifle charge packs the Tanith's First lasrifles use were completely out of stock because they stocked a standard completely different from them resulting in them effectively going into a mission with only the charge packs they had when they came into the operation. Though you are right about most of it I'm mainly nitpicking over here
The best way I've seen to replicate the vulnerability and expendability of a guardsman was seen in the intro(?) to battlefield 1. You were a rando and you were expected to die and once your time came you were very quickly replaced by another rando, and another. Respawn was near instant to reflect the huge number of bodies with guns on the field. You never really "die", you aren't "a" guardsman, you are the guard itself as a faction.
So Enlisted basically.
Ok but let's add the respawn sistem from Easy Red 2 where instead of dying you take control of another squad member and when the squad gets wiped out you respawn as another squad.
It ends on the vengeful spirit as Ollanias Pius himself
There was an older battlefield that had this system, in the campaign you can press a button to switch between any npc you have visual on. The game was janky as all hell but it was pretty cool and great fun.
BF2 on consoles was like tbis. It's a fun mechanic.
Okay, hear me out.
Helldiver x Enlisted mechanics.
You can play guardsman, but as a Cadian Drop troop or some elite squad. Three players, each one a squad of 6(1 player, 6 controllable).
You can call in artillery, strikes and additional supplies (if available).
While controlling one, you are the squad lead and the other 5 are AI (Hopefully good AI). If you die, Enlisted mechanics take over and you take control of the next in command rank of your squad (one of the other 5). If all are dead, respawn a little far away as a reinforcement squad and make your way back to OBJ.
Your main missions are to flush out Xenos and Heretics in areas inaccessible to space marines and/or scout and fight together with AI space marines. Vents, tunnels, trenches, and deep swamps.
Thats 18 guardsmen in a lobby, equip em all with hellguns and we're in for a pretty light show.
Heck, imagine holding the line waiting for a space marine reinforcement that never came.
Average Cadian mission.
The Enlisted formula definitely works great for the guard.
AI squads are the only way to do it on a reasonable scale definitely.
Also Vehicles are Mandatory. Chimera IFVs, Leman Russ Battle Tanks, Hydra SPAA
Not helldivers. Insurgency. You have a dedicated observer who calls in support. He dies, no more support. The commander dies, no more support.
Guardsmen have plenty of weapon options too. Grenade Launchers, Plasma Guns, Meltas, Autoguns, Hotshot Lasguns, snipers. The variety is there!
Absolutely
A heavy bolter fire team.
Why not even give them a support vehicle.
Dont forget shovels and bayonets
Voxcasters
@GenJuhru a theoretical Guardsman class's special ability could be to call for artillery support. It would be extremely powerful, but only available in open areas.
Focus entertainment has a space marine 2 forum for ideas like this. Some of the ideas from there are already in the game. They generally rank ideas if they gain enough traction in categories like must have or out of vision.
This is a PVP mode I want, with a Tyranid player trying to assassinate a lone squad kind of like that hunter game mode in gmod
yeah man I was thinking of a game mode where a player can be a carnifex vs 3 space marines or something. Just like the asymmetrical multiplayer games that have come out in recent years.
That would be pretty cool
Kinda like that one game that came out years ago where you are hunting a Kaiju
@@JGburneraccount evolve?
@@umifeelsbad9337 ah yes, thats it
Hidden but instead of the "Hidden" it's Lictor and instead of SWAT it's Guardsmen? Count me in.
I want a game mode where one person plays as a chaos marine while there’s a team of guardsman trying to kill it
Needs a "Transhuman Dread" function where if he uses a fast gap-closing charge-attack with a loud warcry that blurrs the guardsman's vision or something.
Alien isolation but the xenomorph is a night lord
Whoever laughs at the humble lasgun has never faced down a hundred of them at once.
@@skiadrum9029 Or why not different legions to have different abilities? Night Lords for stealthy plays, Thousand sons for warp stuff, World Eaters for some brutal melee etc.
A Kriegsman Battlefield 1 style game would go so hard
And for tank deployments, you can choose to spawn in as either a leman russ tank, chimaera, or even a space marine that can drop everywhere on the map via drop pod
@@Joseph-mw2rl So like Star War battlefront, player who get high score can choose to spawn in as either Space marine or some powerful daemon entity
That would be amazing
@@ElliFong exactly. Instead of deploying as Darth Vader, it's an Astartes
The biggest cliche of these comments at this point
What we need is a planet side style of game in 40k. Imagine a 1000 player bayonet charge as the guard.
They were making one and then screwed it up. Wasn't even half bad.
@@Reginald-sc9tkEternal Crusade? I remember that I played it like 5 or 6 years ago and it had some battlefield-ish elements.
I heard it was supposed to be more like Planetside but the final game came out being nothing like that at all.
Surreal that I played a game that I will never be able to play again because it shutdown forever. It was kinda fun but not what people expected. What a shame.
@@kentreed2011 Yeah...It was a bummer. Basically they promised planetside with F2P orks and delivered battlefront. Not a bad melee combat loop tbh.
Dude that would be peak, but we'd never get a game like that these days.
Guardsmen won't get executes.
Let me introduce you to Sly Marbo
AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
- Sly Marbo
GW be like, "Who?"
@@Marinealver
"If it isn't a Space Marine, we don't care"
What i'd love to see is IF they didn't exactly implement guardsman class, you should atleast be able to command them. Like "hold position", "charge" or having them aim for specific enemies.
Y'know, a Guardsman 1st or 3rd person shooter would be a great idea for a Warhammer 40k game especially! It can basically be a Battlefront, Battlefield or Helldivers type game.
I was thinking something similar to Natural Selection / NS2. You could play as the guardsman or be the commander of the battlefield. Something PVE or PVP, multiplayer coop, or a helldivers type but more players.
A battlefront like game would be pretty epic especially if they do it like the OG ones from PS2/xbox
Planetside
It's kind of like the reverse argument of a Mary Jane level from Spider-Man except everyone does want to just play the powerless just to see what it's like.
That's the 40K affect right there.
You get it
@@Reginald-sc9tk I would just like hormagunts to treated like tyranid warriors by the guardsman.
And a thousand sons marine be a boss fight later on.
Fatshark proposed the idea of adding sorting by class in their upcoming party finder feature, so you could find an all-vet group
Had no issues playing the game with randoms. Have all the data. Private servers aren't needed and make the game seem dead. They need proper vid clipping/reporting of cheaters and last stage kickers. Evertime you have to deal with a less than teammate you get a bit better and maybe learn something. Took em 13 years to get this out, enjoy it a little.
When I play DT I usually kill like 1000 enemies personally.
@@AngerOfTheLandSo what do u think Helldivers 2 does with there private servers? Is the game dead after that?Does no one like it lol
The ideal Guardsmen Game would be similar to ODST.
You play as a Lucifer Black, you drop ship on a world that is under siege by... whatever, the rest of your unit is cut off or killed, you have to finish the mission and survive for extraction all without the plot armor that cushions the every step of a Space Marine.
"ASTARTES! WE WERE NOT EXPECTING SUCH ILLUSTIOUS COMPANY!" And it's just a bunch of guardsmen lol.
This joke alone might be worth it.
Hahahaha i doubt even 10 guardsmen would make it there alive
@@ghost_1153 good thing the respawn timer is 20 seconds lmao
@@Reginald-sc9tk unless everyone dies when everyone else is deeead
this reminds me of an idea I had for a multiplayer shooter where you can play as all the basic infantry of every faction, wanna play as skitarii? a eldar guardian? an ork boy? go ahead, thatd be such a cool idea
I miss eternal crusade
the thing with guardsmen is that i'm 100% certain a solid percentage of them survived the entire campaign, primarily thanks to titus and the gang
i absolutely went out of my way to save them lol
People keep saying they don't want a game where you beat the odds, because it's not realistic
Even guardsmen get their main character moments sometimes
You don't need to be all powerful, but a main character guardsman would absolutely have gamer brain and just survive by the skin of their teeth
It's why I like darktide, that whole game is just like the inquisition farming for the Emperor's chosen
Just so you know.... We can trampled a chaos cultist that's probably guardsmen size without any problem.
So imagine a gigantic man in a gigantic power armor walk pass you and step on you.
Well they don't let you kill Friendly's in campaign, no problem for PvE
In all fairness Player characters are always more sturdy than random chaff
And thats a common thing in most Warhammer 40k games already, from a lone Fire Warrior killing dozens of Marines and even greater demons to 4 hobos facing off Demonhost and Beasts of Nurgle (without even getting infected with the pletora of diseases those carry)
So i can see it being a thing if done right
then not with sheer brute force but with sheer strategy alone. wouldn't that be more interesting?
Yes, the boltpistols and Boltguns need a bit more power, indeed. I had to smile as I heard you saying it, because as I played the Campaign of SM2 I saw some Guardmen, killing Hormagaunts with a single shot of their Flashlights. I felt a bit sad that I needed a half vlip of my Boltpistol to do the same. But also a bit proud of the Super-Tech the Allfather gave to our little but brave Guardsmen. 😁
Carapace armor should be an option and be like 1 1/2 armor pips.
Yes
An exceptionally gifted, lucky Guardsman can last as long a Space Marine
Plenty of Guard special force have the same points cost as a basic Space Marine
Being able to play as either a Kasrkin, Cadian Commissar or Catachan jungle fighter complete with their own skill tree/ Weapon tree sounds great.
Very cool
Darktide..
@@tnatstrat7495 doesn't hit right for this fantasy, as mentioned.
We should have an Imperial Guard MMO:
- You create your guardsman, select a background, and then you are placed in one of hundreds of possible deployment sites. From defending a Garrison on a remote planet, travelling in massive ships that can attack or be attacked by any number of enemies, active warzones, to patrolling Citadel Cities, you are needed everywhere!
- We fight ALL enemies of humanity, none of this weakling talk like " ooOOOO bUt wErE nOt SpAcE MaRiNes! " Tell that to the Commissar and let us know how it goes Soldier!
- Quest Lines for all locations, you are only deployed to a region for so long so these arcs would be shorter but would then turn to open to many objectives you and your fellow Guardsmen would need to complete in warzones / battlefields, we're here to wage war after all!
- Active Battle Sites / War Zones in All Locations Except Forge Sites. Hundreds of players fighting alongside hundreds of fellow NPC guardsmen, based on the threat level of your deployment, reinforcements could have NPC armies like Space Marines arrive!! But enemy reinforcements are just as likely to turn the tide of battle when you least expect it!!
- Summon NPC Reinforcements in a similar fashion to DoW 2 Redemption Last Stand Mode.
(Up to 20 Imperial Guard units of your choice, Vehicles Too! Unlocked via purchase with earned currency / Rank)
- Call in air strikes, artillery, and more! (Earned through Rank, permanently unlocked)
- Rank in short, is your player level that is adjusted based on your contributions, completed quests, and participation in major game turning points.
- Daily Labors, from farming, to mining, to working in forges, repairing infrastructure: these labors can be done manually to earn crafting materials while contributing to the active war effort. Can also assign Labors for your character to complete when you aren't logged in! Characters cannot be attacked in Labor areas, but upon losing territory are transported to evacuation shuttles and reassigned. Guardsmen can be assigned to active battles, earn xp, increase rank, but will need to tend wounds and repair gear upon login.
- Toggle between Isometric view, First Person, and Third Person.
- Cosmetic unlocks, Permanent / Legacy (Crafted or Earned via Battle Accolades)
- Gear and Vehicle unlocks, Permanent / Legacy (Crafted or Earned)
- Skills and Perks, Permanent / Legacy (Earned via Battle Accolades, Quests, Crafting, and Daily Labors)
- Eventually you can earn a high enough rank to get your own Devourer Dropship, and access to intergalactic deployment!
-Living World: Every NPC and every last player, whether Active Duty or in AFK Labor Mode, all contribute to the war effort, a truly interactive universe that you are an active part of!
Pretty specific I know xD
Let me know what you guys think!
If they wanted to put some extra effort into it, Kasrkin might slot into this role quite well.
That'd be cool too
That would probably be the ideal, a Kasrkin Sergeant or something of the sort. I think the only way most Guard setups would function is if you're a squad leader of some variety, it would give the vibe of being one of many while still making your character not literally useless.
@@FarremShamist Literally useless X'D
I honestly think it’s be better if it’s all or nothing with the guardsmen, like every player would have to agree to play guardsman.
1:Because it would make it so much more of a vibe and it kinda takes away from the space marine fantasy if you just have so,e random guardsman there.
2:Balancing wise I think it makes more sense since ideally they would be weaker than the other classes but have that much different horde play style and so space marine players might not want guardsmen on harder difficulties.
I love this idea though and it’s a great video! Been praying for some guardsman action where you just get butchered lol
I think it would be cooler if you could be a commissar and command guards men on a frontline vs orcs or whatever the enemy is
My idea for a Guardsmen Class would be.
All the basics are here.
1 wound
1 armor
Can dodge but can't parry.
Veteran: the basic Guardsmen, can switch out lasgun for Plasma Gun, Melta Gun, Flamer & Boltgun.
Commissar: Have buffing aura similar to Bulwark.
Boosting Damage and Armor Recharge.
Akimbo Pistol & Melee and is the only Guardsmen that can Parry and Gunstrike but they don't instant kill just Stun.
But not agianst large enemies and bosses only gaunts, tzangors and warriors at most but not Rubrics or Terminators.
Hell ye
If money wasn't an issue, I'd change Veteran into a Tempestus Scion or Kasrkin with Carapace and Hotshot Lasgun.
Hellgun would feel similar to the Heavy Bolt Rifle fast firing but instead of reloading needs to cooldown.
Carapace would give them 1 Armor but a Bonus 1 armor at the start of the mission and after killing Majoris+ enemy.
There ability would be "Bring It Down!!" giving them a damage bonus for a short time similar to executioner stance.
They can Parry and Block enemies like the commissar but only have access to the Combat Knife encouraging them to stay at a distance.
Guardsman is just the difficulty above the highest in the game.
I want to play as guardman trying to survive then fighting alongside the space marine when they come
These are perfect ideas. Why not submit this to the developers for future dlc content because i would totally pay for dlc to be a guardsman maybe with minimal customization
How would I do that?
@@Reginald-sc9tk not sure my guess is they have some kinda submission page for reports or ideas but not sure where to find it
On the forums bro @@Reginald-sc9tk
Why not a full game using the same engine?
@@bored8321 ooooooo maybe cadia!?? As guardsman...good idea
My darktide cadian vet re-living his memory fighting along side Astartes
I think that's a great idea, I've always wanted a game where I could play as an IG or a Fire Warrior
This would be a cool idea for cosplay
I’d fucking love a game were you play as a regular old guardsmen
Darktide?
@@tnatstrat7495You're not a normal Guardsman in Darktide, you're a penal stormtrooper.
@@NorthernNorthdude91749 and you smash up all enemies big and small like there nothing (except Daemonhosts), with a "High level" combat knife
Yeah i love this idea, im waiting for horde mode to come out even though operations look great, i hope they eventually add this or make there next game a halo reach like fall of cadia epic. Where you are one of the last ones fighting as the planet cracks!
A guardsman class where you are the sargant/commisar and you have a group of 4 other AI Guardsman, when you target a specific enemy, it focus fires on that enemy and all AI in your squad shoot to bring it down would be awesome. having a special where you summon even more guardsman for 30 seconds with a heavy weapons crew that lay down heavy bolter fire in a general area would be awesome to clear hordes. Make it a supplimental class to the space marine group so you got 3 marines and 2 guardsman sargants would be awesome. Maybe even multiple guardsman classes...
1. commisar-buffs guards and marines
2. commando- does more damage and can "plant" a melta bomb by going invisible just like sniper, doesn't decloak while planting, only when attacking
3. heavy specialist- can summon a group of heavy bolter gunners to mow down hordes
4. Logistics specialist- can summon an ammo crate and medicae that heals both marines and guardsman over time
Thats thinking
I would love this 100%!
Oh my god.
I remeber when DarkTide came out and everybody wanted to play a Space marine.
Now Space marine 2 is out and everybody wants to play a Guardsman
Yeah but in Darktide you play something stronger than a space marine. A reject.
LOVE the Idea man! Guardsmen would be SUPER fun to play as!
Right?!
a battlefield 1 or battlefront II type game of 40k would be amazing
You need to die like a fly... I dont think it can work in a battlefield style game
@@ArlindoBuriti You ain't played RushXL lol. You die in that like frogs in a blender.
Let me add onto this, if that's ok! Also, feel free to yoink this, and make a follow up video! 😅
You should have your squad of guardsmen, you play the Sergeant or veteran usually, and if you die, your perspective and control SWITCHES to one of your 4 basic guys!
You then have a 20 second respawn/REINFORCE timer, and after that time, you get a replacement veteran to jump back into.
I see this working like this,
Instead of health per say, you get a total number of reinforcements. Every time a grunt or vet dies, you lose 1. You either get one back every 30-60 seconds, OR you have a larger pool and you're limited to that for the whole mission / per checkpoint. You can even give like 20~% of your reinforcements back at each significant checkpoints.
Next, while you may have to wait 20, 30, 40, or even 60 seconds to get your actual veteran back, you get a grunt replaced every 5-10 seconds. If the whole squad dies before you come back, that's like your "proper long cooldown death" / death death if you're the last alive!
I feel like this would make it feel like you're playing as a platoon of guardsmen, but controlling "YOUR" GUARDSMAN!
Someday loanshark will add carapace helmets with visors in it. Just like hotshot. So we could show 'em the ol' kasrkin double tap.
We live to fight and we fight to live.
Fantastic video lad! The only thing I disagree with is the whole no parrying or executions thing.
For parrying, guardsmen could only parry and block gaunts, since a bayonet lets your gun act like a spear, the parry can be guardsmen holding it out and catching the gaunt mid-jump, firing once to ensure the kill, then shaking it off, the only way to block, not parry, warriors, is if you have a chainsword or powersword.
As for gun strikes, gaunts only, it would be your guardsmen swinging his lasgun like a club and bashing the gaunt away, before shooting it.
For executions, it would be locked to gaunts and warriors only, for gaunts, its simple as just your guardsmen stabbing the gaunt in the neck and then shooting once or simply stabbing the hell out of the gaunt.
For warriors, it would be a team effort, your guardsmen first stabs the warrior in the neck, then another comes from behind and stabs it the back of the head, then you both shoot to finish the job. Another execution is you dodging a strike and then shooting the offending limb off, before 2 other guardsmen come and blow the remaining limbs off, with a final shot to the head.
You would only be able to solo execute a warrior if you have a chainsword equipped or similar, it would be you stabbing the chest and letting the chainsword rev, before quickly blowing the head off with your pistol.
The team execution is inspire by the latest episode of tithes, where 2 guardsmen work together to stab an ork to death, and the chainsword executions being based off an animation of a commissar fighting heretics, where he does exactly that to one such heretic.
Speaking of heretics, you would only be to execution traitor guardsmen and tzaangors, for traitors, it would be either you stabbing the neck and shooting, or stabbing and then withdrawing to slash the heretic across the throat, for gors, it would be you stabbing the gor in the chest with a charging tackle, and then firing as many times as need, to ensure the kill.
For parrying, only one of them fatal, it would be you blocking the tzaangors sword and pushing it back, with a chainsword, you would parry the sword and then quickly getting into the beasts guard to slice it down from the chest, spilling its guts.
And that's all, once more, excellent vid lad, perhaps as a follow-up, you could include squad customization? Your guardsmen for the most part will carry the stand kit, but you can choose between lasgun variants, and some members can be chosen to carry a special weapon, such as a flamer or grenade launcher, and 2 of them can carry a heavy weapon, such a heavy bolter/flamer, a lascannon, or a autocannon. The weapon carriers will be quite vulnerable however, as they will move slower and they have to set up first if they wish to shoot their weapon and will lose the ability to move, and if you wish to move them, they have to get up and pack up their weapon. The only weapon that doesn't do this, is the heavy flamer, but are still slower due to carrying both a big weapon and its ammo.
But to compensate, it offers a powerful on demand defense, for swarm clearing or monster hunting.
Once again lad, excellent video and keep up the good work!
Either a star wars battlefront-esque guard PVP mode, or an Enlisted-style "you are the squad, you can change between which squad member you control and can equip them all individually, etc." for the base game would work wonderfully.
I like this idea. It gives a nice middle ground between no playable guardsmen and doing yet another Imperium focused game. Plus it’d help make things a bit more lore accurate, since in books and such a Guard can definitely 1v1 a space marine and win (not often mind you, but the odds are greater than 0%). We also have traitor guard so it also works in PVP, especially if we do the idea of having 4 bot guard following you around. Imagine if all you and your homies select Guard and just swarm the enemy. I’d pay good money to watch a Bulwark get torn into by 15 traitor guard like a bunch of piranhas
I like the idea playing as guardsmen in Space Marine 2 and not just in darktide.
There just should be a battlefield like game where you play as imperial guard and few players could hop in space marine roles and then fight chaos that just pretty much has the same lineup with spikes and some unique vehicles like helldrakes. Ofcourse in an ideal world it would have all the factions but much more easy to balance just IGvsChaos.
I would love to assist my buddies as a little guardsmen when their lobbies are full. Just being able to play with them would be awesome (since for some reason PvP parties are still capped at 3 for some reason).
I would 100% play that, honestly that first idea would be amazing and running around with a lil' hoard of 15 guardsmen would be badass.
Smol adjistment tho, you get to customize the guardsmen you spawn with. You can give them melta cannons, hot shot volley guns, shotguns, ect.
If they would be worried about players dying too much, they could just make them sicons to even the playing field a lil'
I think we can all agree that a Battlefield-styled Guardsman game with multiple campaigns having you play as different regiments would be dope.
To add to the proposal 1, you can add like a points system where you start from 1000 or more and it decreases every time your character dies or your bot squad mate. -50 points for bots dying and -100 points when the character that you play as dies.
If you could play as a guardsmen you should be able to pick up a full on bolt gun off the ground to get one shot off and instantly die because it blew your arm and half your torso off with it from the recoil, but you got that one shot off!
Something i think would pair well with this, Is if for the 3 choosable perks for every level, Since each Class basically gets 3 rows of perks, Is if the Guardsmen perks were divided into "Fortify" "Kasrkin" and "Company", Quite simply Fortify would basically just allow you to spawn the Heavy-Bolters we see guardsmen deploy in the Campaign with buffs focused around them, sandbags, barbedwire, ammo-crates, that kinda stuff. Kasrkin would be about upgrading your Bot Guardsmen and Self to deal more damage, take more hits and be better at standing your own, With Company just... Giving more guardsmen, and thats it, More Guardsmen, more often, all of the time, No special Abilities, just more guys and gals with las and flak.
idea 1 is probably my favorite but I'd make 2 changes to it.
1: would be to the number of guardsmen. 5 isn't a proper squad when it comes to guardsmen.
over time across many editions of 40K guardsmen have rather consistently had 10 as their minimum squad size. maximum squad size has varied a lot over the years, back when I started playing it was supposedly 50 (I admittedly didn't collect Imperial Guard at the time so I don't have the relevant codex to check the rules), for a while it was 30, and checking current rules it's now 20.
let's bring 9 bots per guardsman player instead, that way 1 guardsman player ends up with a minimum sized squad of guardsmen, meanwhile 3 guardsman players would end up with 30.
2: respawn mechanics.
instead of having AI guardsmen respawn on a 20 second timer they instead usually only respawn at checkpoints (the same checkpoints that let Space Marines instantly come back), at which point your squad is replenished to maximum and all the AI squad members are fully healed (Space Marine bots already fully restore health at checkpoints so I don't see any balance issues here).
when a player dies they instantly respawn taking the place of the AI squad member with the highest health remaining.
if your team completely runs out of AI guardsmen it's the regular 60 second timer for respawn at which point you'll come back with 9 AI squad members (if a 2nd player dies during those 60 seconds they'll come back at the same time as the first player, taking the place of one of those AI squad members)
I looooooooove the whole idea, particularly the part of playing as a mini group of Guardsmen, like a small team that moves together, imagine the posibilites of cool team animations . Maybe it could be a technical challenge for the devs but it would be amazing
The first proposal is the best one... playing the operations as guards and you could make it as you can only respawn in some parts of the missions, so that you have reenforciments and stuff.
But the best part is that it needs to be balance the way the game is right now, it needs to be brutal.
You get it
It would be so cool to run a guardsman squad as a sergeant you can order with your special ability or let them just follow you. Sergeant gets a power saber and a weak plasma pistol that also can explode. Each squad gets two special weapons users, that will take up the primary equipment slot. Customization should allow you to create the full squad to your liking. Squad members respawn at check points or with you when you die. You don’t go down, you have a mortal wound the entire time. You can’t carry guardian relics, one pip of armor, and squad perks could include something along the lines of either giving each squad member a lowly guardsmen to follow them around or a damage increase. Instead of switching to different guardsmen upon death, your squad just runs around doing what they can in the meantime, and when you respawn, you keep the same number of start members in your squad. Meaning if there are still 2 of your 10 man squad alive, you come back with 8 and group up with those 2.
I was also thinking to myself "I wish i could play as a guardsman" while playing through the campaign of SM2, would really love to seee something done with this idea aspecially like you said most of the necessary meterials are already there to make something like this, if it doesn't get official support theres always hope in the form of modders
Man! Imagine Hell Let Lose but 40k styling, would be so good
I got a Simple concept to add. you're the sergeant/veteran. Your role on the team isn't to slaughter hordes. It's to provide support for our smurfy marines. Your bot-squad follows you and shoots at things, and you, as the officer carry a type of lasgun (or hellgun/long-las ect) and a special weapon. Such as a plasma gun (which explodes if it overheats), a rotary grenade launcher, or a flamer.
You're basicly a mix of a meat-shield and fire support, and you probably have lower target priority from the enemies because you're not the 2 tons of armor and rage charging at them.
Morale. It should be like the special ability that Spehss Mareens get only you have to have it activated all the time to be effective. Heck, maybe have it so you're peak as long as you haven't been attacked.
I played the game on hardmode when I played the campaign for the first time, as the "Intended" experience, which was a lot of fun. Though I'll admit, I had liked but also was surprised by just how quickly the Guardsmen died whenever you have them. I remember the first time I fought with guardsmen in the game, it was when we were fighting the Tyranids. That first fight went really well. We engaged, me and my brother's line held and while the little guys would rush through, a majority of them died with the more advanced types of 'nids. Yet when I turned around, not a single guardsman was left standing. I was disappointed, having thought I did well, but then I realized this was the genuine experience. I really enjoyed the game for that
A 30 v 30 CTF gamemode with 5 Astartes and 4 squads of 5 Kasrkin and 1 Castellan would go so hard.
It would go do hard
Some friends and I talked about this at launch since we noticed the sheer variety of guardsmen so we had an idea that you'd effectively have another mode added onto the game, Campaign, Operations, Eternal War, Only in Death. Only in Death would be a purely guard centered gamemode where players would jump in as humans, guard vs cultists. Now originally we had an idea that it would be like eternal war but with humans so like instead of 6v6 it'd be 12v12 with new maps to compensate for the increased size.
However someone bought up the idea of it being like Titanfall 1 with maps/games operating like campaigns or operations with actual objectives. Retrieve item and plant to blow hole in wall, make breach and then clear/capture an area then move on to arm/interface with some kind of beacon then move on to another capture phase and then game ends with a cutscene. If the game stalls for a certain time then the game would flip to the other side commencing an attack but if you failed to reach the end by a time point it would end with whoever has the most objectives completed winning. From there we kinda spun on about a whole bunch of other stuff like customization, weapons, classes, abilities and even how the camera would work, gameplay mechanic and stuff.
This convo went on for like two or three hours with us hashing out this idea. Even tho it's SUPER unlikely or just straight up never gonna happen it would be incredibly cool and I feel would have even more people come to the game, you not only get Space Marines but Guard and it does sound counter-intuitive considering this is a game about Space Marines but like eh, it's fun
Proposal 2 would be the best option in my opinion seeing as it wouldn't make a lot of sense having a single guardsman on his own with 3 space marines. Personally I like the way it is, maybe another space marine would make it better, but so far I think 3 is working great. But I definitely argee that playing as a guardsman would be a lot of fun. My favourite part of the game is battling alongside guardsmen.
I like the idea of being a squad. You could even have different "classes," with a general purpose squad, a heavy weapons team (think heavy bolter/lascannon emplacement), stormtrooper squad, etc...
You could direct the squad to engage certain targets, take up defensive positions and, most importantly, bayonet charge!
Could be cool to have guardsmen as the first class in horde mode, once you earn enough kills/points you can call in as an ultra marine or wait till the last possible wave you can handle as the guard before dropping in, then as marines keep building points/kills to be able to call in as a dreadnought till you’re brought down (or survive to the end) then respawn back in as a marine but cant call in another dreadlad instead gift points to another to call in their dread-dude, or like gears of war horde save points for an extra self rez, base fortifications additional guardsmen squads (possible to play as them if everything else has fallen) or save up points for dreadbois (everyone will save points for dreadnought…. Lets be honest 😂)
One other possibility is, a 10-15 player guardsman survival mode, where your objective is to hold off the Hord/Chaos Forces till the Ultra Marines come to the rescue. Respawn would be limited to 5~ times per round per player. Maybe even have mini missions in it that needs to be completed to improve your survival rates. But a straight up survival hord mode would be epic for both Ultra and Guardsmen. Maybe even the Ultra marines that come to save you are players completing a new operation type
I'd like one where you play a commisar where it's more of an inbetween. Duelling and parrying small enemies and you can kill guardsman if they try to run away due to low morale...or you have to execute the ones expossed to chaos.
They have commissar cosmetics so why not have subclasses
I love how no matter what is laid out, someone (us Guard fans) WANT to be the poor regular humans facing unwinnable odds.
Brings a tear to my eye, really.
General Sturn really said it best.
A guardsmen mode with 32 players against hordes of tyranids
There's a game where you can play as a Guardsman. It's called 'Only War', it's a P&P by 'Fantasy Flight Games'.
And in the newest 40k P&P 'Imperium Maledictum' you could build a guardsman character as well.
😉
"Pity the Guardsman."
I do really like using the ping system as a way to add a bit of RTS into a Guardsman class, kinda like Republic Commndo or GRAW. Also, a lot of comments mention this, but having the bot squad be like a "soft respawn" of sorts like the B1 intro would just tie the whole thing together so nicely. If you're too aggressive with your squad, you essentially lose potential respawns in additional to enemy aggro and firepower.
I also love playing the "little guy" in games like this. It's like being the UNSC marine facing the uneven odds of fighting the Covenant, but x100 in Warhammer 40K xD
A good ending for a guardsman game would be after seeing all your friends in your platoon die, you die in a horrific way.
That's the true 40k experience
Turns out, you were Krieg guardsmen all along and it’s a happy ending where you sacrifice yourself for the redemption of your people
I'd love to see some sort of reverse "invasion" trope like in sniper elite, where as in sniper elite you invade as an enemy sniper, here you (and friends you could queue up with) could invade and take the place of an allied guardsman. The space marines wouldn't see you and differently out of the normal guardsman, but you know who you are
Star ship trooper extermination is the closest thing your gonna get rn lol
One perk I would say you could give guardsmen that would boost their value, though it is a bit stock standard, is give them an ability like the Space Marines, and that is to fully refill a Space Marine's ammo. Basically lore wise the Guardsman is stripping the dead of their ammo, tie their grenades to a cooldown based on how many enemies they kill, and give them unlimited ammo for the lasgun, as there are ammo packs everywhere on guardsmen corpses.
Id want a 40k themed battlefield so bad they could fit so many things into it alas it shall never be lament
I'm getting the word out every way I can! Hope this happens, man. Loved the video:)
Thanks! I hope for success too!
The 40k mod for Arma 3 is pretty good. Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines are pretty terrifying to fight as just guard in the mod.
I've enjoyed watching TH-cam videos of it but I won't pretend I enjoy Arma's sluggish all then nothing combat. Heroic combat is more my jam.
@@Reginald-sc9tk
- Heroic combat
- Guardsman
pick one
@@wilburabrams6519 this poster doesn't get it.
I think a good way to have a Guardsmen type game would be to basically copy the idea behind Enlisted. You control an entire squad of troops you can swap back and forth with and have multiple different types of squads you can spawn in with, vehicle squads included
Preach, brother preach. For ten thousand years we have hold the line to have no game for us, to only be subjugated to only being a background set piece for our lords.
My ultimate dream right now is for Saber/Focus to give the Space Marine II engine and assets to their other smaller dev teams, and each team makes a full spinoff game about different Imperial factions, complete with full Campaign and Co-operations: a Grey Knights game, a Sisters of Battle game, a Militarum game. ALL the fundamental foundation is set, they just have to get it made!
Give us modding tools! We could have it all!
Maybe a pvp mode of 14 v 6 veteran guardsmen vs space marines, it could be called 'hunt' or something and the guardsmen would have to rely on swarming individual astartes, maybe bringing one down with a well placed melta shot or an unexpected 3-man bayonet charge from behind
This is exactly what I would want for the game, and i've bemoaned the lack of a guardsmen option every time ive played the campaign with friends. I recognise some might say "play darktide instead" but the two games are very different. The gameplay, the enemies, the thirdperson camera, the aesthetic, its all different in same ways that leads me to craving a guardsmen option for this game too.
Thank you for making this video, a friend shared it with me!
Thanks so much! And I appreciate your view on DT. Many have suggested it but you understand exactly why its just not the same.
A lot of people are talking about Battlefield here, but I honestly think that the true Guardsman experience would have to be a survival horror.
Remember classic ghost recon then mix in elements from GTFO. Add in drivable ground and air vehicles and there you go.
Hear me out, they add an update with another battle system called, all out war, where we have guards men split into different classes like bf1, then you have space marine as special unit, lemon Russ, fighters ect, so destined battlefront and the enemy is chaos so the same but chaotic for the other side.
Okay it may not be an update, like a whole ass new game, buuut yk hope yo hope
Everybody loves the underdog.
Proposal 4:
If you ever played brothers in arms hells Highway-a system like that. You lead a squad of 12, not a fire team of 4. This way you have about a Platoon sized element with 3 players. Your pings allow you to prioritize units you can also suppress enemies
instead of a perk system you have a “squad system” where you can create/customize your squads loadout as
Defense: heavy weapons, slow, ideal for holding an area down or providing suppressive fire.
Offensive: lightly equipped troops with heavier carapace armor intended for frontline assaults, more grenades, intended for assault purposes, will run out of ammo a lot faster than others
Standard: typical dudes, not great or bad at anything, decent at everything bad at nothing. General purpose.