Not optimized for the road trip? I beg to differ. And I've got the vids to prove it mate ;) Why on earth would you want to hug any charger? With Ariya, you will have far less charging stops, but actually some time during those to relax, go get something to eat without the need to just pound away because you got to get going already. The way Ariya does it is the way better option. Plus it imposes a lot less strain on battery and grid and produces way lower losses, so it's a lot more sustainable as well.
@@kimballwhite So you didn't understand what I wrote. That's ok. Also, you clearly do not own a Kia EV6, which is a car that never ever has charged at 250kW for 20 minutes.
Thank you so much for this video! I just purchased my Ariya yesterday and you really helped alleviate a lot of the nervousness I had around getting my first EV💯
Bc I preordered this vehicle and locked it in at the lower MSRP my Platinum+ has the possibility of costing me around 47K after federal & state incentives. That destroys Kyle's main complaint with the Ariya, the price (he's right about that btw). I'm very happy w/my decision.
if you ran this car in your 10% for 15 minutes challenge it added about 94 miles from 10% in 15 minutes. Not too far off from the Model Y you tested during the inaugural challenge which I think added 97 miles.
Much better review Kyle, I agree with most of your review this time, even your cons. The charge rate of 50kw at 90% at the bottom end is pretty good. Thanks for getting back to good info that we enjoy.
I saw one in person, didn't get to ride in it, at an EV event down in Sheridan this weekend. It's a good looking car inside and out. size wise it felt very similar to the Ioniq 5. No frunk at all though.
Just to let you know that this video helped me decide to go for the Arita 87KW AWD. Btw in the UK the on board charger is 22kW. - not much use domestically where 32A is about the max you can use I.e 7.5kW unless you have 3 phase into your property. But at least it can be used at some public chargers.
I’m most interested in amount of time to add 100 or 200 mi of range. Tom Moloughney frequently reports this measurement. 200 mi represents a little under 3 hrs driving at 70 mph. For safety, everyone should take a break every 3 hrs or less. It’s a great time to charge, grab a snack, hit the rest room, and stretch.
Wait how does the Ariya not have charge limit settings? That's one of the key features to have in an EV to preserve the battery. My smartphone has a charge limit setting.
Not really if the BMS is properly set up - Mini Cooper S E also has no way to set a charging limit because BMW’s software protects the battery with a small top buffer. Mini owner;s manual says go to 100% every time if you want to
Will it make it through the warranty.? Because that’s all Nissan really cares about. Old Leafs self-destructed, those variable ratio transmissions in a lot of their other vehicles, self-destructed, but as long as it made it through the warranty.
I love my Ariya Platinum eforce. Battery last for a week of constant driving and when fully charged, I can get 320 miles out of that charge. Pretty impressive.
Why did Nissan not just set the upper buffer one kWh lower and remove that top "1% takes 45 minutes?" If they thought people would really need those extra 3 - 4 miles, add a bit to the battery size, it's already oversized for the vehicle, compared to actually efficient vehicles.
It’s likely the balancing that took the time not that it is just slow up top. They could only charge as fast is the balance resistors can discharge. If the pack was initially more balanced, it’s likely that end time would’ve been much shorter.
Thanks for the info. I've been charging almost exclusively @ fast chargers for a few weeks now. @ 150 kW charger, my Ariya doesn't charge faster than 60 - 64 kW from any % charge 😢
Valid, but for $60k, it’s going to be the primary vehicle for most families. Having mediocre charging speed combined with pretty poor efficiency compared to vehicles that cost the same or less makes it a pretty tough sell. Even if you never use it for road trips and only use it for commuting, the poor efficiency makes it a pretty tough sell.
@@ouch1011 poor efficiency? I get 4.5 m/kwh around town, I always bring it home over 80%. Don’t believe everything you hear on internet or TH-cam. How many hundreds of miles a day would you need to drive per day going to work to even consider efficiency? Maybe you can watch Kyle drive around that Rivian of his with the efficiency of a brick. I hear this $60k number, I paid $40k but the internet says $60k, so the internet is never wrong I guess, I’ll have to double check my bank account…what a joke
Anecdotally I've seen a lot of people at DC fast charging stations starting their charge at 70% or so, so I'd say this was a good decision by Nissan to make the charge speeds consistent throughout the soc range. It'll take a while for people to get comfortable getting their batteries down low on trips
You’re right about that. As long as the CCS network is so chancy, most “baby on board” grownups don’t want to road trip the lower 25% of the battery pack.
Agree. First winter nd even in late Spring I went below 10% a few times. Nowadays I'm uncomfortable if I don't have at least 30% at the end of a "trip" to allow for unplanned local trips at the destination... and the hunt for return charging.
We did exactly that recently 100 miles from home. Staying overnight at hotel with no slow charging so drove out to a close fast charger that evening took it back up from 67 to 95%, why so ? Because that gave us enough charge to go to London & back the next day without stopping - makes sense for your passengers & peace of mind
We just leased an Ariya Evolve+ FWD about two weeks ago. Agreed value took the $46,325 MSRP down to $44100, and then incentives cut it down by another $11,000. Wife wanted to put $3,000 even though it was a $0 down at signing deal. Lease payments, with tax are $215 / month for 24 months. $33,100 seems like a reasonable price for what you get in this trim level.
Wild. Seems like for folks that don’t want to micromanage a trip / aren’t in the maximum rush or want to stop and charge when THEY want a rest stop, the Ariya will give a decent charge rate any time they’re under 50%. Extra benefit - Don’t NEED a high power charger since Ariya holds at it’s higher rates that are easily supplied by 150kWh DCFC’s. I can stop and get an OK charge rate JUST B/C I need a stop. Thanks for the tips on preheat on demand and max cooling for DCFC sessions!!
I believe I said this after your video what have you been doing Nissan? This exact charging curve has been shown consistently over the past year in Europe. In cold climates like Norway and Austria it still performs like this. Potentially it should preserve the battery too.
i did a simultaneous side by side test between my Ariya FWD and my Model 3 RWD in city driving (30-80 kmh) and the Model 3 won a very narrow win (146 Wh/km vs 155 Wh/km) The Ariya has a very efficient drivetrain but at higher speeds it suffers from poor aerodynamics.
Still charging at over 50kW at 90% is impressive. I think (?) the Ioniq 5/EV6/GV60 is even more impressive, isn't it? I think from 20% to 80% they're still pulling in over 100 kW, and even reaches 200 kW from 30% to 50%… right?
The good DC fast charging curve makes sense .. I would think in Japan and many other countries in the region.. most people don't have big garages or driveways to park a car in and charge over night. They are going to use Public DC charging stations. To bad on the pricing.. I would consider a base model with big battery if the price was better.
It's interesting what you say, because in Europe only the basic version has 7.4 kW charging, all higher versions have an on-board charger with a power of 22 kW.
This comes out at to about 65 miles in 10 minutes, which is okay. That's maybe a little behind a Mach-E. Many new cars like the Model 3 and the Ioniq are over double that, but the Lighting is quite a bit lower, and we don't even want to talk about the Bolt.
To compare with other cars, please do a battery percentage as y axis and time as x axis. This will be a good indicate of which car is the best in saving time.
I just bought an new 23 Ariya engage + with awd 4orce for 15500 under sticker. $7500 tax credit $5000 off msrp $1000 bonus cash $1000 owner loyalty $500 College Grad $500 First responder 1st year free EvGo Unlimited charging Free Wallbox 48A Home Charger 300+ miles on eco and ebrake enabled
I would have thought that 48 amp AC charging would have been the minimum for new EV vehicles. BTW may I suggest a charging video on the new chargers at Buc-ees? They use the new Signet 350kW chargers with both a CCS and a Chademo cable on each one, no 150 kW chargers at all. Leeds Alabama was the one that I charged at yesterday.
Wrong the id 4 had it 2!years ago . The Ariya was designed 2 years ago. Don’t give me 7 years ago we had 50 kw chargers outside Tesla. So do more research before your knee jerk reactions
Saw one of these at my the car show and was very impressed with it’s quality, features and space but then I saw the price and all the good went out the window. It isn’t competitive and I am not sure why. The sales guy at the show was not able to explain except that you can get one fairly quickly.
130kW peak for Nissan Ariya is bad compared to recent new EVs, but with my Kia Niro EV 2019, I usually only 45 kW up to about 76% SoC then it ramps down to 22 kW until about 85% and slower then... alas, one of these days I'll have to upgrade... (only one a few hot summers have I seen it get to its peak of around 76kW, and only then it does it for about 50-60% SoC and drops back to under 50kW)
Confusion on the charging time. You show 1:41, @12:10, EA shows 1 hour 98 minutes & 10:10 PM - 11:49 (or so, I don't remember exactly, but closer to your number). It seems as if EA can't convert time properly.
I just bought an Ariya Platinum+ eforce. Mostly I only use AC charging at home and work. Since I drive about 70 miles a day, I wonder if it is good for the battery to keep charging it over 90% on daily use.
Hey Kyle, love this format with the graph. I know its time consuming, but when the Blazer and Equinox drops, could you run this test? Very informative. GMC's Ultium platform is capable of 350kW, but they've opted to purposely limit the lower priced vehicle's to below 190kW. Some say its not an issue, but from what ive seen, the Ultium could use as much peak as possible, because it struggles to maintain a decent curve. Cheers.
My Ariya 65kWh battery enguage (note it was all that was available) I had an incident where the charger was broken, I had 24 miles to go and 10 miles left in the battery. At 0% it just kept going and I reached the charger no issues. Now how does the Ariya handle a rearend crash? Well mine was rearended and then hit again in the rear...2x. It handled it very well. Just the bumper and the hatch door got a little bent. The car restarted and turned the flashers on and went into the wreck mode I am calling it. The Ariya is more practical and takes things into account like dumb people. Yes this car is dummy proof. It was designed to transition from ICE to EV without any shock. I live in an apartment and do Uber with this car.
Awesome awesome review on the Ariya charging speed.. I'm about to buy an ariya engage 63 klw .. i was bummed that I can't set the limit of the battery charge to save battery life. But I thought I read somewhere that Nissan already has that cushion built in? And won't let the battery charged all the way. but if anyone can comment on this and or tell me if this is true and if so what that limit would be that is built into the car. Thx!!!
Supercharging degrades the battery. I get it, you don't want to waste your time at charging stations, but maybe Nissan thought this one out... charge time vs. battery pack longevity. Be interesting to see degradation after 1-2 yrs on the Lucids and other 350+ kW EV's.
Correct but as drivers we need 20-30 mins to go to the bathroom and grab a bite. 10% to 90% should be below 30 mins in today’s standard and tech If you can’t road trip a crossover, then you should just get a ICE crossover
Charging the battery at all degrades the battery. If Nissan couldn’t put a decent quality battery that can handle fast charging at a better rate in a $60k+ SUV then they have some major issues. Hyundai/Kia can do it in a less expensive vehicle.
The limited charging speed is also about battery healthy. Specially Tesla having first 35% time the big 250kw charging power, often overheats the battery up to 55 C(130F) and it is not good for battery duration... I can recommend last charging race from Bjorn :-)
We typically dont have access to that kind of juice without a substantial power upgrade. 48 amps seems to be then peak for home use until things inevitably change.
The AC charging: That's really where the US low voltage of 120V and single phase connections really burn you. They probably did not want to redesign the AC system for higher currents needed at the lower voltage, requiring beefier cables. In Europe, you can get the optional 3x32A onboard charger, which at 230V gives 22kW (and even the standard single phase would be 7.4kW). Most cars here have 3x16A, so 11kW, which is absolutely fine too. Although my e-208 works just fine even at the standard wall plug, which gives 1x16A, so 3.7kW, which is ok with the 45kWh pack 🙂
@@skywalk_7 Well, you can get 240V installed and some people have that readily available in their garage, but it's not the thing that is absolutely everywhere on every wall. It's about the same availability as the three phase outlet in my country, which gets you 11 or 22 kW, depending on how beefy breakers you want to pay for in your house. And every house gets three phase connection here, so anyone can get that three phase cable pulled from their breaker box if needed.
@@charlesbridgford254 Yes, but in most of europe, the standard schuko outlets are rated for 16A. Althogh only short loads at that level were originally expected and pumping 16A for hours is not really advised. I usually limit to 13 or 10A. But you can get a quality outlet that has larger contact area for the pins and can handle 16A continuously for any length of time. I sometimes use one of these on a charging station at a nearby shopping centre when the Type 2 is occupied. 16A for hours with my selectable current granny charger, no problem.
This video is confusing to me I just currently bought an ARIYA and idk if I’m not doing something right but ever since I got this car it won’t charge faster than 20kw even on a fast charger so to get a full charge takes about 2+ hours! Not very happy with the car right now
11:00 perhaps this car is made for living in Japan Wow!!! 222 mile range at 99% SOC?! What year is this? Wh/ mi, CCS plug, price, charging network, future proof. I just named 5 factors the Model Y is better than Ariya. Good luck to Nissan to sell this car. I have not even mentioned the dealership model. OEMs are really going to die soon……
Very interesting results. Nissan includes 1 year of free charging with EVGo. However, their charges peak at 50 kw. Jumping from station to station can be disappointing. There might be a wait. So, one has to balance charging longer, up to 95%, or risk having to be in a queue.
Kyle, my M3 LFP has a 32A onboard charger. Really. I’m sorry the Aria’s charging is not what you expected, but I think Nissan designed the car with charging characteristics people wanted: most of us don’t road trip the OOS way, but prefer to cycle the 30%-80% “half” of the battery pack, and deep-charge on road trips. Maybe Nissan did their market research, and designed the Ariya with that kind of behavior in mind; I honestly wish my M3 LFP had a flatter charging curve.
Thats where the US low voltage of 120V and single phase connections really burn you. In Europe, you get 3x32A onboard charger, which at 230V is 22kW (and even single phase would be 7.4kW). Most cars have 3x16A, so 11kW, which is absolutely fine too.
@@ab-tf5fl A 240V 30A charge can't charge this vehicle in a single 10 hour overnight session if it was near zero when you got home. That's too slow. Especially when cheaper vehicles can do things like 48A charging that would usually charge in 6 to 8 hours or so.
It's good to see the charging curve is much better, but still: for that money you can get an E-GMP car. This is still overpriced. If I'm going to upgrade from a Bolt, I'm only going to consider this if it started in the $30Ks. If Nissan expects $40-50K for the lower trims, they're losing their sale to the Ioniq 5 or EV6.
For AC charging you should put up how many miles you'd get on each charger overnight on a 10 hour charge cycle for each vehicle up to its top charging ability. So at 222miles for 88kwh in this, it's 2.52 miles per kWh. It looks like this: 120V/8A: 24 miles a night 120V/12A: 36 240V/16A: 97 240V/32A (30A vehicle limit): 182
Problem with that is YMMV. “Your mileage may vary.” Mileage is a crappy way to express SOC or charging times because it depends _substantially_ on the actual efficiency that an individual gets in their particular on that particular drive during that particular weather. I can drive the same vehicle on the same route at the same speed and see a 30% difference in vehicle efficiency just based off of the weather.
Okay. That doesn't look much different to my Polestar 2 69 kWh. We're at 70-80 above 80%. It drops off properly at 90%. Cannot match the Ariya there. We'd be at 40, then 30 at 92-93. You give up then unless you're eating lunch.
The Ariya 87 kwh fwd takes an hour longer than the Model Y LR and E-GMP cars in the 1000km challenge. The Ariya isn't a bad car, but I don't see why you would buy it over the competition that is simply better.
Better at what exactly? Ride quality, Interior and exterior look.. I doubt it. I get all the love for the Y but, its stripped with a really bad ride and pretty dated at this point. I'm not looking to put it down but, you can't see why?? Seriously...
Hehe. How often do you drive 1000 km? Is that one hour critical that once every few years? I owned a Tesla, and tried the Ioniq 5 the same day as the Ariya. Tesla is better at charging speed and connectivity. Ioniq is better at charging speed and V2L functionality. The Ariya has better ride quality, higher quality materials, less noisy cabin (especially compared to Tesla MY). For our daily use and 99 % of our road trips these positives are much more important for us.
@Solar Surron The looks are subjective. prefer the Nissan. Here in Canada the Y is a lot more than the Nissan (both pretty expensive). My son has a model 3 nice car, but the back seat is horrible and if he wants rear heated seats then it can be siftware unlocked if he ponies up more money. Tesla is a great software company, a car manufacturer not yet.
@Solar Surron Yes the things they have done are amazing in 15 years. The supercharger network in particular, but they are selling it to everybody now. This year, BYD will overtake them in sales. Here, the Tesla Y is C$ 20000 more than the Nissan Ariya, so it's not really in the same category. Market cap is down 40%. I hope they can stick around to compete with the Chinese as that is good for the consumer. They need new models soon, though.
So the Tesla you tested to 99% was the same time and that's good? Do you know how percentages work as the Tesla would have added an extra 80 miles in that same time frame... Math.
Nissan took ages for doing the next step….No Tms in the Past. The Users didnot ask for it. Hahaha. After a rotten Battery in a japanleaf we would never come back to the new player in the „selfcharging“ gang. e power w/o plug is a joke. As a ev6 LR users its actually not needed anymore. The 800V car in perfect condition works at Soc 60 fast…even obove 80% it makes senses. V2X is a feature which works great…the ami uses it quite often on Roadtrips.
So at 75mph, in order to get 2 hours of driving and still have 5% left to get decent curve charging you'd need 33 minutes to charge... Every 2 hours... That's completely unacceptable.
Thats odd. We have the 87 kWh FWD model and we can drive 75 mph in winter time (-10 degrees) for 2 hours and it drains about 60-70 % battery. We do this regularly so i am quite sure.
@@MaxDrougge Right, the point is that once you get to 5 percent or so it will take a shade over 30 minutes to get back up to the point that you can drive for 2 hours again. When you leave your house you'll be at 100% so the first leg of a trip will be better, but then charging you will only go up to 60-75% or maybe 80 if you are eating a nice meal... Then can only drive 2 hours on that since 75 losing 70% gets you back to 5 again.
@@MaxDrougge Sweden and the US (i.e. where this channel is based and where the majority of the viewers are from) are very different. 150miles is a short distance here. Road trips are frequently longer than that and happen potentially multiple times a year, especially if you live in a rural area. That’s why US buyers focus more on needing longer range and faster charging. This isn’t Europe, we have different needs.
@@ouch1011 Yea that's probably true. But considering the Ariya is almost as quick as other EVs when the entire SoC is considered I don't think it would be much worse doing those road trips in it. Besides. There is no magic to other manufacturers batteries or BMS. Charging quicker will stress the battery more and wear it down faster.
Mine is only charging at 45 to 60 kw per hour, which is showing a charge time of one hour and 33 minutes, and that is starting at 20%. I'm going to go test it with the cooling feature turned on and see if that fixes the slow charging speeds. I love the car, but if it can't get over 90kw per hour, then I feel like I'm they are not advertising the truth. Either that, or something is defective or set up wrong on my 2023 Evolve+.
Well, yes and no. Yes, average rate is more important than peak. Still, 87 kW is crap when you consider that the best cars in the market average 150kw plus. Luckily, the battery (and the range) are small. Quite frankly, all the Japanese EV to date are at best mediocre EVs. Trust me, neither Hyundai, nor Tesla are breaking a sweat. Neither are the Europeans. Hopefully, Honda will do better (Ultium architecture) despite being very late to the party.
Too bad the decent curve doesn't make up for the phone book of shortcomings this thing has. Honestly there is no reason whatsoever to buy this thing unless it comes at a crazy discount.
@@ALMX5DP it makes people uncertain and doubtful about what to look for in a BEV to get best charge rate. Why do I have to explain something so rudimentary to you?
@@homomorphic I felt it provided great insight into the charging characteristics and left me feeling more certain about how different EVs operate. I didn’t discern any spread of uncertainty nor doubt here just thoughtful explanation and analysis.
I’d say the Tesla products are more of a master class on “its not about the peak, it’s all about the curve” given that pretty much all of them have absolutely _terrible_ charging curves (newest Model S and X are better but still suck compared to competition). They’re the example of what _not_ to do, and they only do it for bragging rights among those who don’t know what they’re talking about. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, I’d rather have greater capability over a narrower temperature range than reduced capability over a wider range. My Ioniq5 will probably charge at 130kw under the same minimum temperature range as the Ariya, but it has the capability of charging almost twice as fast to well over 50% when the battery is at an appropriate temperature. That temperature isn’t ridiculous either. It’ll charge at 170-190kw as long as the battery is 68F or warmer and 230kw if it’s about 75F or warmer. The Ariya might get a pass for its mediocre charging speed if it got 3.5+mi/kWh efficiency at 70mph (that’s where Tesla gets a pass for getting destroyed by its 800V competition), but it gets near 1mi/kWh less than that. So not only are your charging stops longer than they should be, you have to do them quite often. The Ariya, where it might be able to roughly match the average EV out there, it still gets ruined by basically any of the 800V EVs out there. This is the kind of performance that significantly limits the long term usability of the vehicle since it’s already out of date. The EV world is getting more and more competitive every day. Taking forever to come out with a mediocre EV and then charging top dollar for it is a recipe for failure.
Not optimized for the road trip? I beg to differ. And I've got the vids to prove it mate ;) Why on earth would you want to hug any charger? With Ariya, you will have far less charging stops, but actually some time during those to relax, go get something to eat without the need to just pound away because you got to get going already. The way Ariya does it is the way better option. Plus it imposes a lot less strain on battery and grid and produces way lower losses, so it's a lot more sustainable as well.
It’s not “more sustainable” to have slower charging. My Kia EV6 takes about 20 minutes to charge at 250kW, and that’s plenty of time to do things.
@@kimballwhite So you didn't understand what I wrote. That's ok. Also, you clearly do not own a Kia EV6, which is a car that never ever has charged at 250kW for 20 minutes.
Thank you so much for this video! I just purchased my Ariya yesterday and you really helped alleviate a lot of the nervousness I had around getting my first EV💯
I love that the charging graph shows "time to percent" big and bold on it, so you can make easier informed decisions on when to unplug and keep going.
Bc I preordered this vehicle and locked it in at the lower MSRP my Platinum+ has the possibility of costing me around 47K after federal & state incentives. That destroys Kyle's main complaint with the Ariya, the price (he's right about that btw). I'm very happy w/my decision.
Got my ariya with 22 kW onboard charger. Living in Sweden. 🙂
Wow! 22kW AC? Was that an option, or standard with the trim you got?
@@BremboT at the time when i ordered it was an option. Now I hear it comes as standard, I haven't confirmed it though.
if you ran this car in your 10% for 15 minutes challenge it added about 94 miles from 10% in 15 minutes. Not too far off from the Model Y you tested during the inaugural challenge which I think added 97 miles.
True! And it will actually vaporize the Y (and a lot of other cars) if you let it charge for half an hour.
Much better review Kyle, I agree with most of your review this time, even your cons. The charge rate of 50kw at 90% at the bottom end is pretty good. Thanks for getting back to good info that we enjoy.
I saw one in person, didn't get to ride in it, at an EV event down in Sheridan this weekend. It's a good looking car inside and out. size wise it felt very similar to the Ioniq 5. No frunk at all though.
It has very large trunk compared to other cars it’s size so no need for a frunk.
Just to let you know that this video helped me decide to go for the Arita 87KW AWD. Btw in the UK the on board charger is 22kW. - not much use domestically where 32A is about the max you can use I.e 7.5kW unless you have 3 phase into your property. But at least it can be used at some public chargers.
I’m most interested in amount of time to add 100 or 200 mi of range. Tom Moloughney frequently reports this measurement. 200 mi represents a little under 3 hrs driving at 70 mph. For safety, everyone should take a break every 3 hrs or less. It’s a great time to charge, grab a snack, hit the rest room, and stretch.
Wait how does the Ariya not have charge limit settings? That's one of the key features to have in an EV to preserve the battery. My smartphone has a charge limit setting.
Not really if the BMS is properly set up - Mini Cooper S E also has no way to set a charging limit because BMW’s software protects the battery with a small top buffer. Mini owner;s manual says go to 100% every time if you want to
@@timoliver8940 Nissan doesn't though. I asked. They said charge to 80 % on daily use.
Will it make it through the warranty.? Because that’s all Nissan really cares about. Old Leafs self-destructed, those variable ratio transmissions in a lot of their other vehicles, self-destructed, but as long as it made it through the warranty.
@@dorhocyn3 Lol what is this? 😂
@@MaxDrougge the truth.
This means you have 45 mins extra before idle fee starts 😅
😂. Some chargers bill by the hour though. Actually, all chargers in Canada bill by the hour. So the faster Ioniq and EV 6 owners are laughing.
I love my Ariya Platinum eforce. Battery last for a week of constant driving and when fully charged, I can get 320 miles out of that charge. Pretty impressive.
Why did Nissan not just set the upper buffer one kWh lower and remove that top "1% takes 45 minutes?" If they thought people would really need those extra 3 - 4 miles, add a bit to the battery size, it's already oversized for the vehicle, compared to actually efficient vehicles.
It’s likely the balancing that took the time not that it is just slow up top. They could only charge as fast is the balance resistors can discharge. If the pack was initially more balanced, it’s likely that end time would’ve been much shorter.
Thanks for the info. I've been charging almost exclusively @ fast chargers for a few weeks now. @ 150 kW charger, my Ariya doesn't charge faster than 60 - 64 kW from any % charge 😢
Most of us charge at night and rarely use a fast charger. Good to know it’s more than capable.
Valid, but for $60k, it’s going to be the primary vehicle for most families. Having mediocre charging speed combined with pretty poor efficiency compared to vehicles that cost the same or less makes it a pretty tough sell. Even if you never use it for road trips and only use it for commuting, the poor efficiency makes it a pretty tough sell.
@@ouch1011 poor efficiency? I get 4.5 m/kwh around town, I always bring it home over 80%. Don’t believe everything you hear on internet or TH-cam. How many hundreds of miles a day would you need to drive per day going to work to even consider efficiency? Maybe you can watch Kyle drive around that Rivian of his with the efficiency of a brick. I hear this $60k number, I paid $40k but the internet says $60k, so the internet is never wrong I guess, I’ll have to double check my bank account…what a joke
Anecdotally I've seen a lot of people at DC fast charging stations starting their charge at 70% or so, so I'd say this was a good decision by Nissan to make the charge speeds consistent throughout the soc range. It'll take a while for people to get comfortable getting their batteries down low on trips
You’re right about that. As long as the CCS network is so chancy, most “baby on board” grownups don’t want to road trip the lower 25% of the battery pack.
Agree. First winter nd even in late Spring I went below 10% a few times. Nowadays I'm uncomfortable if I don't have at least 30% at the end of a "trip" to allow for unplanned local trips at the destination... and the hunt for return charging.
We did exactly that recently 100 miles from home. Staying overnight at hotel with no slow charging so drove out to a close fast charger that evening took it back up from 67 to 95%, why so ? Because that gave us enough charge to go to London & back the next day without stopping - makes sense for your passengers & peace of mind
We just leased an Ariya Evolve+ FWD about two weeks ago.
Agreed value took the $46,325 MSRP down to $44100, and then incentives cut it down by another $11,000. Wife wanted to put $3,000 even though it was a $0 down at signing deal.
Lease payments, with tax are $215 / month for 24 months.
$33,100 seems like a reasonable price for what you get in this trim level.
Here in Denmark, Ariya has a 3-phase 22 kWh onboard charger😊
Wild. Seems like for folks that don’t want to micromanage a trip / aren’t in the maximum rush or want to stop and charge when THEY want a rest stop, the Ariya will give a decent charge rate any time they’re under 50%.
Extra benefit - Don’t NEED a high power charger since Ariya holds at it’s higher rates that are easily supplied by 150kWh DCFC’s. I can stop and get an OK charge rate JUST B/C I need a stop.
Thanks for the tips on preheat on demand and max cooling for DCFC sessions!!
It isn’t really “all about the curve”: it’s all about the area UNDER the curve! (the integral of the charging function)
I believe I said this after your video what have you been doing Nissan? This exact charging curve has been shown consistently over the past year in Europe. In cold climates like Norway and Austria it still performs like this. Potentially it should preserve the battery too.
Don't get mad, Ghosn was busy...
I am still waiting for the new software in my car, but I'd like to see your thoughts on the new VW ID.4 charging curve.
This is kind of like the model 3 LFP. It keeps pretty high kw towards the top
You guys should do the 0-100% test, range test and 10% challenge on the 63kWh battery pack Ariya.
Despite the mediocre efficiency and high price, all signs are pointing to the Ariya being an extremely reliable car
The Aryia actually delivers what Toyota said they wanted the Bz4x to be.
i did a simultaneous side by side test between my Ariya FWD and my Model 3 RWD in city driving (30-80 kmh) and the Model 3 won a very narrow win (146 Wh/km vs 155 Wh/km) The Ariya has a very efficient drivetrain but at higher speeds it suffers from poor aerodynamics.
High speed efficiency is much more important for most people because very few people are driving long distances at low speeds.
@@ouch1011 Kyle tested the Ariya at 70mph and returned less than 3 miles per kwh
@@ouch1011 if you don’t have access to home charging or you live in a country with high energy costs then urban efficiency is very important…
Still charging at over 50kW at 90% is impressive. I think (?) the Ioniq 5/EV6/GV60 is even more impressive, isn't it? I think from 20% to 80% they're still pulling in over 100 kW, and even reaches 200 kW from 30% to 50%… right?
You are correct. I've seen. 170kw at 60%.
Yes some people get from 20% to 85 or 90% in 25 minutes.
If you live on a cold place, the Nissan is a great choice.
The good DC fast charging curve makes sense .. I would think in Japan and many other countries in the region.. most people don't have big garages or driveways to park a car in and charge over night. They are going to use Public DC charging stations.
To bad on the pricing.. I would consider a base model with big battery if the price was better.
It's interesting what you say, because in Europe only the basic version has 7.4 kW charging, all higher versions have an on-board charger with a power of 22 kW.
It's so nice to not have to think about being at a low soc in order to justify plugging in, much like the etron, very nice
This comes out at to about 65 miles in 10 minutes, which is okay. That's maybe a little behind a Mach-E. Many new cars like the Model 3 and the Ioniq are over double that, but the Lighting is quite a bit lower, and we don't even want to talk about the Bolt.
Bolt is also half the price, or $20k less when fully loaded.
has this car got a big top battery buffer
To compare with other cars, please do a battery percentage as y axis and time as x axis. This will be a good indicate of which car is the best in saving time.
This would've been my dream EV if they had an extended range AWD model that went 300+ miles, but they sadly don't. Still an awesome EV tho.
I just bought an new 23 Ariya engage + with awd 4orce for 15500 under sticker.
$7500 tax credit
$5000 off msrp
$1000 bonus cash
$1000 owner loyalty
$500 College Grad
$500 First responder
1st year free EvGo Unlimited charging
Free Wallbox 48A Home Charger
300+ miles on eco and ebrake enabled
I would have thought that 48 amp AC charging would have been the minimum for new EV vehicles. BTW may I suggest a charging video on the new chargers at Buc-ees? They use the new Signet 350kW chargers with both a CCS and a Chademo cable on each one, no 150 kW chargers at all. Leeds Alabama was the one that I charged at yesterday.
Nice final curb, unfortunately, on EV's it's that first 15 to 20 minutes that counts. And that 130kw peak is technology from 5 to 7 years ago.
Wrong the id 4 had it 2!years ago . The Ariya was designed 2 years ago. Don’t give me 7 years ago we had 50 kw chargers outside Tesla. So do more research before your knee jerk reactions
0 to 42% in 18 minutes. The Ioniq 5/6 and EV6 would be at 70%. For basically the same price.
@Tom_O Hyundia/Kia now have preconditioning. So cold weather shouldn't be an issue
I have One in Portugal and it have a 22 kW AC charger .
130 kW DC.
The perfect car
Saw one of these at my the car show and was very impressed with it’s quality, features and space but then I saw the price and all the good went out the window. It isn’t competitive and I am not sure why. The sales guy at the show was not able to explain except that you can get one fairly quickly.
Can you do a video on the 2024 aryia and can you help us find out when we can charge on tesla charger
I can't wait to see a charging test of Lucid Air on multiple 350kw chargers.
Doesn't the BMW iX have a lower DCFC charging setting to manage the fan noise?
what was temperature out when you did this? I thought Ariya was to get 257-267range?
At least it does something really well. That's good to see.
Is it possible that they are trying to protect the battery in the long run?
130kW peak for Nissan Ariya is bad compared to recent new EVs, but with my Kia Niro EV 2019, I usually only 45 kW up to about 76% SoC then it ramps down to 22 kW until about 85% and slower then... alas, one of these days I'll have to upgrade... (only one a few hot summers have I seen it get to its peak of around 76kW, and only then it does it for about 50-60% SoC and drops back to under 50kW)
Ouch, that is slower than my old LEAF 62 kWh e+.
Confusion on the charging time.
You show 1:41, @12:10, EA shows 1 hour 98 minutes & 10:10 PM - 11:49 (or so, I don't remember exactly, but closer to your number).
It seems as if EA can't convert time properly.
Question....what was the cost of charging it from 0 to 99% on the fast charger?????
I just bought an Ariya Platinum+ eforce. Mostly I only use AC charging at home and work. Since I drive about 70 miles a day, I wonder if it is good for the battery to keep charging it over 90% on daily use.
I have a uk spec Ariya with 130 kw dc charging and 22kw ac.
When are you going to test the 2023 ID.4 SK battery?
Hey Kyle, love this format with the graph. I know its time consuming, but when the Blazer and Equinox drops, could you run this test? Very informative.
GMC's Ultium platform is capable of 350kW, but they've opted to purposely limit the lower priced vehicle's to below 190kW. Some say its not an issue, but from what ive seen, the Ultium could use as much peak as possible, because it struggles to maintain a decent curve.
Cheers.
In EU you can do ac with 22kw
My Ariya 65kWh battery enguage (note it was all that was available) I had an incident where the charger was broken, I had 24 miles to go and 10 miles left in the battery. At 0% it just kept going and I reached the charger no issues. Now how does the Ariya handle a rearend crash? Well mine was rearended and then hit again in the rear...2x. It handled it very well. Just the bumper and the hatch door got a little bent. The car restarted and turned the flashers on and went into the wreck mode I am calling it. The Ariya is more practical and takes things into account like dumb people. Yes this car is dummy proof. It was designed to transition from ICE to EV without any shock. I live in an apartment and do Uber with this car.
How can I remove the 80% charge limit ? I need to charge to 100%
Does the battery use a memory, like charging a cellular phone battery did .
Does charging the battery at 60 percent hurt the battery.
Awesome awesome review on the Ariya charging speed.. I'm about to buy an ariya engage 63 klw .. i was bummed that I can't set the limit of the battery charge to save battery life. But I thought I read somewhere that Nissan already has that cushion built in? And won't let the battery charged all the way. but if anyone can comment on this and or tell me if this is true and if so what that limit would be that is built into the car.
Thx!!!
Does the charge speed drops if there other vehicles charging at other fast charge poles?
You should redo ID4 curve, but on a 2023 with SK battery.
Do you think the graph would be the same shape if one started at 20% (i.e. would it taper off around 50% SoC)?
curious on the c-rate, what is the pack configuration for this?
Supercharging degrades the battery. I get it, you don't want to waste your time at charging stations, but maybe Nissan thought this one out... charge time vs. battery pack longevity. Be interesting to see degradation after 1-2 yrs on the Lucids and other 350+ kW EV's.
Correct but as drivers we need 20-30 mins to go to the bathroom and grab a bite. 10% to 90% should be below 30 mins in today’s standard and tech
If you can’t road trip a crossover, then you should just get a ICE crossover
@@jonip43086 Is driving the crossover a necessity?
Charging the battery at all degrades the battery. If Nissan couldn’t put a decent quality battery that can handle fast charging at a better rate in a $60k+ SUV then they have some major issues. Hyundai/Kia can do it in a less expensive vehicle.
@@samusaran7317 depends where you live
There is another great thing about this last 1% taking so long: there is a lot of time before you start getting charged idle fees.
The limited charging speed is also about battery healthy. Specially Tesla having first 35% time the big 250kw charging power, often overheats the battery up to 55 C(130F) and it is not good for battery duration... I can recommend last charging race from Bjorn :-)
Strange that in other markets you can get a 22kw on board ac charger. Not N. America.
We typically dont have access to that kind of juice without a substantial power upgrade. 48 amps seems to be then peak for home use until things inevitably change.
@Samus Aran7 Yes and they can also run 220v three phase into their homes there.
Arria 94% SOC - 46kW.
My Leaf: this is maximal charging power. 😂
yep lol 😂
I would rather have the Ioniq 5 than this, especially at this price.
Please put the nissan ariya in the hogback test
The AC charging: That's really where the US low voltage of 120V and single phase connections really burn you. They probably did not want to redesign the AC system for higher currents needed at the lower voltage, requiring beefier cables.
In Europe, you can get the optional 3x32A onboard charger, which at 230V gives 22kW (and even the standard single phase would be 7.4kW). Most cars here have 3x16A, so 11kW, which is absolutely fine too. Although my e-208 works just fine even at the standard wall plug, which gives 1x16A, so 3.7kW, which is ok with the 45kWh pack 🙂
US is 240V
The same problem in Japan.
@@skywalk_7 Well, you can get 240V installed and some people have that readily available in their garage, but it's not the thing that is absolutely everywhere on every wall.
It's about the same availability as the three phase outlet in my country, which gets you 11 or 22 kW, depending on how beefy breakers you want to pay for in your house. And every house gets three phase connection here, so anyone can get that three phase cable pulled from their breaker box if needed.
A UK domestic power outlet is 13A.
@@charlesbridgford254 Yes, but in most of europe, the standard schuko outlets are rated for 16A. Althogh only short loads at that level were originally expected and pumping 16A for hours is not really advised. I usually limit to 13 or 10A.
But you can get a quality outlet that has larger contact area for the pins and can handle 16A continuously for any length of time. I sometimes use one of these on a charging station at a nearby shopping centre when the Type 2 is occupied. 16A for hours with my selectable current granny charger, no problem.
This video is confusing to me I just currently bought an ARIYA and idk if I’m not doing something right but ever since I got this car it won’t charge faster than 20kw even on a fast charger so to get a full charge takes about 2+ hours! Not very happy with the car right now
130kw is a slow day for an Ioniq 5. Maybe Nissan still has poor battery thermal management and their quick fix was to limit charging speed.
11:00 perhaps this car is made for living in Japan
Wow!!! 222 mile range at 99% SOC?! What year is this?
Wh/ mi, CCS plug, price, charging network, future proof. I just named 5 factors the Model Y is better than Ariya. Good luck to Nissan to sell this car. I have not even mentioned the dealership model. OEMs are really going to die soon……
38 minutes to 80% is a tough pill to swallow
I thought that you were not supposed to charge this (or any EV?) past 80%?
Very interesting results. Nissan includes 1 year of free charging with EVGo. However, their charges peak at 50 kw. Jumping from station to station can be disappointing. There might be a wait. So, one has to balance charging longer, up to 95%, or risk having to be in a queue.
evgo has plenty chargers faster than 50kw.
@@tkmedia3866 Not around zip 91304
Kyle, my M3 LFP has a 32A onboard charger. Really. I’m sorry the Aria’s charging is not what you expected, but I think Nissan designed the car with charging characteristics people wanted: most of us don’t road trip the OOS way, but prefer to cycle the 30%-80% “half” of the battery pack, and deep-charge on road trips. Maybe Nissan did their market research, and designed the Ariya with that kind of behavior in mind; I honestly wish my M3 LFP had a flatter charging curve.
30A onboard charger is nuts. That's absurdly slow charging at home.
Not at 240v.
Thats where the US low voltage of 120V and single phase connections really burn you.
In Europe, you get 3x32A onboard charger, which at 230V is 22kW (and even single phase would be 7.4kW). Most cars have 3x16A, so 11kW, which is absolutely fine too.
Probably not as bad as a 48A on a Hummer, still don't know what they were thinking.
Why? You literally have all night, so who cares how long it takes.
@@ab-tf5fl A 240V 30A charge can't charge this vehicle in a single 10 hour overnight session if it was near zero when you got home. That's too slow. Especially when cheaper vehicles can do things like 48A charging that would usually charge in 6 to 8 hours or so.
It's all about the curve, not the peak. That's what she said
It's good to see the charging curve is much better, but still: for that money you can get an E-GMP car. This is still overpriced. If I'm going to upgrade from a Bolt, I'm only going to consider this if it started in the $30Ks. If Nissan expects $40-50K for the lower trims, they're losing their sale to the Ioniq 5 or EV6.
For AC charging you should put up how many miles you'd get on each charger overnight on a 10 hour charge cycle for each vehicle up to its top charging ability.
So at 222miles for 88kwh in this, it's 2.52 miles per kWh. It looks like this:
120V/8A: 24 miles a night
120V/12A: 36
240V/16A: 97
240V/32A (30A vehicle limit): 182
Problem with that is YMMV. “Your mileage may vary.” Mileage is a crappy way to express SOC or charging times because it depends _substantially_ on the actual efficiency that an individual gets in their particular on that particular drive during that particular weather. I can drive the same vehicle on the same route at the same speed and see a 30% difference in vehicle efficiency just based off of the weather.
Okay. That doesn't look much different to my Polestar 2 69 kWh. We're at 70-80 above 80%. It drops off properly at 90%. Cannot match the Ariya there. We'd be at 40, then 30 at 92-93. You give up then unless you're eating lunch.
The Ariya 87 kwh fwd takes an hour longer than the Model Y LR and E-GMP cars in the 1000km challenge. The Ariya isn't a bad car, but I don't see why you would buy it over the competition that is simply better.
Better at what exactly? Ride quality, Interior and exterior look.. I doubt it. I get all the love for the Y but, its stripped with a really bad ride and pretty dated at this point. I'm not looking to put it down but, you can't see why?? Seriously...
Hehe. How often do you drive 1000 km? Is that one hour critical that once every few years?
I owned a Tesla, and tried the Ioniq 5 the same day as the Ariya. Tesla is better at charging speed and connectivity. Ioniq is better at charging speed and V2L functionality.
The Ariya has better ride quality, higher quality materials, less noisy cabin (especially compared to Tesla MY). For our daily use and 99 % of our road trips these positives are much more important for us.
@Solar Surron The looks are subjective. prefer the Nissan. Here in Canada the Y is a lot more than the Nissan (both pretty expensive). My son has a model 3 nice car, but the back seat is horrible and if he wants rear heated seats then it can be siftware unlocked if he ponies up more money. Tesla is a great software company, a car manufacturer not yet.
@Solar Surron Yes the things they have done are amazing in 15 years. The supercharger network in particular, but they are selling it to everybody now. This year, BYD will overtake them in sales. Here, the Tesla Y is C$ 20000 more than the Nissan Ariya, so it's not really in the same category. Market cap is down 40%. I hope they can stick around to compete with the Chinese as that is good for the consumer. They need new models soon, though.
@@MaxDrougge My experience exactly.
Yes, this is good!
Newer have more than 82-83kW on 200kW charger:(
12:03 the car charged for 1hr 98min... Really? That's a first
So the Tesla you tested to 99% was the same time and that's good? Do you know how percentages work as the Tesla would have added an extra 80 miles in that same time frame... Math.
Man what's up with that dent in the door?
Nissan took ages for doing the next step….No Tms in the Past. The Users didnot ask for it. Hahaha. After a rotten Battery in a japanleaf we would never come back to the new player in the „selfcharging“ gang. e power w/o plug is a joke.
As a ev6 LR users its actually not needed anymore. The 800V car in perfect condition works at Soc 60 fast…even obove 80% it makes senses. V2X is a feature which works great…the ami uses it quite often on Roadtrips.
Ah, the Tusken Raider. 😂
So at 75mph, in order to get 2 hours of driving and still have 5% left to get decent curve charging you'd need 33 minutes to charge... Every 2 hours... That's completely unacceptable.
Thats odd. We have the 87 kWh FWD model and we can drive 75 mph in winter time (-10 degrees) for 2 hours and it drains about 60-70 % battery. We do this regularly so i am quite sure.
@@MaxDrougge Right, the point is that once you get to 5 percent or so it will take a shade over 30 minutes to get back up to the point that you can drive for 2 hours again. When you leave your house you'll be at 100% so the first leg of a trip will be better, but then charging you will only go up to 60-75% or maybe 80 if you are eating a nice meal... Then can only drive 2 hours on that since 75 losing 70% gets you back to 5 again.
@@Snerdles Totally fine by me. We hardly ever drive more than 30 Swedish mil in one go. Maybe once a year or every second year or so.
@@MaxDrougge Sweden and the US (i.e. where this channel is based and where the majority of the viewers are from) are very different. 150miles is a short distance here. Road trips are frequently longer than that and happen potentially multiple times a year, especially if you live in a rural area. That’s why US buyers focus more on needing longer range and faster charging. This isn’t Europe, we have different needs.
@@ouch1011 Yea that's probably true. But considering the Ariya is almost as quick as other EVs when the entire SoC is considered I don't think it would be much worse doing those road trips in it.
Besides. There is no magic to other manufacturers batteries or BMS. Charging quicker will stress the battery more and wear it down faster.
Bye Bye Nissan ...... Just bring back the Maxima as a fully Electric . That will start a buzz
Mine is only charging at 45 to 60 kw per hour, which is showing a charge time of one hour and 33 minutes, and that is starting at 20%.
I'm going to go test it with the cooling feature turned on and see if that fixes the slow charging speeds.
I love the car, but if it can't get over 90kw per hour, then I feel like I'm they are not advertising the truth. Either that, or something is defective or set up wrong on my 2023 Evolve+.
30 dollars to go 200 miles is getting more expensive than gas .
Well, yes and no. Yes, average rate is more important than peak. Still, 87 kW is crap when you consider that the best cars in the market average 150kw plus. Luckily, the battery (and the range) are small. Quite frankly, all the Japanese EV to date are at best mediocre EVs. Trust me, neither Hyundai, nor Tesla are breaking a sweat. Neither are the Europeans. Hopefully, Honda will do better (Ultium architecture) despite being very late to the party.
I'll buy this over the ID4, the Ionic 5 or Ev6 given the overall stance on the road. Your opinion is welcome.
Too bad the decent curve doesn't make up for the phone book of shortcomings this thing has.
Honestly there is no reason whatsoever to buy this thing unless it comes at a crazy discount.
ford can't even show charging speeds on the mach e lol at least nissan shows you your speed
It's not about the curve, it's about the number of miles added per minute. That is the only metric that matters. Stop spreading FUD!
How is any of this video spreading fear, uncertainty or doubt?
@@ALMX5DP true: it is only uncertainty and doubt (no fear - nothing scary here).
@@homomorphic what is uncertain or causes doubt?
@@ALMX5DP it makes people uncertain and doubtful about what to look for in a BEV to get best charge rate.
Why do I have to explain something so rudimentary to you?
@@homomorphic I felt it provided great insight into the charging characteristics and left me feeling more certain about how different EVs operate. I didn’t discern any spread of uncertainty nor doubt here just thoughtful explanation and analysis.
Potential killer to limit to 90kw on long trips w repeat charging.
Cut your hair!
Is this a fact? Is it triggered by number of DCFC charges per day or by battery pack temperature or something else? Please share.
I’d say the Tesla products are more of a master class on “its not about the peak, it’s all about the curve” given that pretty much all of them have absolutely _terrible_ charging curves (newest Model S and X are better but still suck compared to competition). They’re the example of what _not_ to do, and they only do it for bragging rights among those who don’t know what they’re talking about.
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, I’d rather have greater capability over a narrower temperature range than reduced capability over a wider range. My Ioniq5 will probably charge at 130kw under the same minimum temperature range as the Ariya, but it has the capability of charging almost twice as fast to well over 50% when the battery is at an appropriate temperature. That temperature isn’t ridiculous either. It’ll charge at 170-190kw as long as the battery is 68F or warmer and 230kw if it’s about 75F or warmer. The Ariya might get a pass for its mediocre charging speed if it got 3.5+mi/kWh efficiency at 70mph (that’s where Tesla gets a pass for getting destroyed by its 800V competition), but it gets near 1mi/kWh less than that. So not only are your charging stops longer than they should be, you have to do them quite often.
The Ariya, where it might be able to roughly match the average EV out there, it still gets ruined by basically any of the 800V EVs out there. This is the kind of performance that significantly limits the long term usability of the vehicle since it’s already out of date. The EV world is getting more and more competitive every day. Taking forever to come out with a mediocre EV and then charging top dollar for it is a recipe for failure.
I would chose quality, over fast charge speed.