I would argue that because you have suffered there is no need for those you love to do the same. You can impart the wisdom you gained from suffering to them. Granted, it isn't easy to do this but, if done correctly, it can provide a blueprint for those you love to navigate their lives and avoid the pitfalls you encountered. The hard part is getting them to listen and take the lessons to heart.
Nahh, this just reminds me of the quote "Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times." There's no skipping the hard times, albeit the type of hard times can be different (Example: Maybe your parents suffered from poverty, you could suffer through physical training and other forms of work or adversity). Good times will always create weak men this has been shown time and time again, History is cylic. Greece too fell because of weak men, and so will parts of the modern world in the coming years
It's a very simplistic way of seeing things. Not everyone has the same threshold for emotional suffering like you do. That's why compassion and empathy should come first before simply pushing someone to grow as a person out of the same suffering you had to endure just because that's how you found it in yourself. I understand the sentiment, but this is a dangerous mindset.
I think for those that you love and care about, you should understand which ones can handle this and which ones cannot. Discretion is the better part of valor. Though he is only wanting to help them be stronger, it is as you say. Some people are just not made that way. Some do not respond well to adversity. Surely they could benefit from toughening up, but that is not necessarily for you to decide, but for them. And regardless of what we wish on anyone, life is going to deliver more than enough struggle to each person individually without wishing it upon anyone, no matter what the justifications.
You are mistaken. Allow me to assist. Agony, Suffering, Despair. What do these traits have in common? Believe it or not, there is no single answer to this question. There could be an endless amount of similarities. Alas, this is the truth of all Emotion; it is never singular. Regardless, those three Emotions, have three qualities I wish to touch on. 1: All three traits mean the same thing, yet are used in different capacity and values, thus making them lose meaning as a whole. 2: Each of these emotions are never achieved by simplistic means, nor are they discarded easily. And lastly, the considerably more important similarity. 3: Despite their natural negativity, the three traits are not *dangerous.* In fact, there are no dangerous emotions. Each and every emotion coexists in the mind as a constant; a perfect harmony. Even when one side falls shorter than the other, it's almost never permanent. Thus, despite how negativity affects the brain, it most certainly does NOT mean it is safe to prioritize positivity. "A stag beetle may believe in itself, but that may only leave it blind to the dangers of its predators." And before you ask for proof that prioritization of positivity can be dangerous, I live and breathe as an example. Believe me. If prioritizing positivity was safe, I would be counting stars. But if i, or anyone else focuses to much on the light, they WILL become blind to the dark. And in my case, if I became TOO blind to said darkness, No amount of hopes and dreams would save us. In order to prevent one's self-torture, you must find perfect balance within yourself. Not one moment should one side be lower than the other. And in those rare moments, where there is no other choice but to face the dark or fight the light, don't let it control your fate. Use the soul you've been given, and push past the pain. That is the only true way humanity will ever come to evolve.
For me personally this is spot on. Don’t save people from their suffering. That’s not your job. My suffering and the way I dealt with it has made me as a man.
From what I have seen you dont need to suffer in order to be a good person, you just need to learn how to be a good person, suffering may do that, or it could turn you sour or even suicidal, and suffering in itself is the bane of our lifes since emotions create the only meaning we have, so that isnt good, there are other ways of learning. Some people are even just born with the temperment to be an inherently good person, not just nice or seemingly nice but manipulative. The best people to me are the ones that actually care about the well being of the people around them and make them feel happy, or give them logic for a way of life that is healthy.
I would love that too, if only it isn't wishful thinking. I'm only 19, but I've seen a fair share of bad things and struggles happening to people who absolutely don't deserve it in the first place to know that fairness and equity is a modern day mirage built within the society to compensate for the cruelty of nature. Rather to pray for an easy life, I would rather pray for a strength to endure a hard one, for may my life be either hard or easy, I will stick through nonetheless, and thrive.
What he seems to be implying is that suffering is a definite part of life, and having the coping and problem-solving strategy for it is far more valuable than not in the face of those moments. It's better to learn from a controlled environment than from a random one, where possible. As someone else pointed out regarding a quote about hard times producing hard men, who produce weak men ultimately, it's the truth. We heard it in school, at least a lot of us did it seems. And we're seeing it now. Struggle/suffering/pain = growth. It's how you build a muscle. It's how you strengthen a bone. It's how you grow and develop as a person. And, it's how you prepare for the real world. Lack of suffering encourages people to become apathetic and arrogant. Humility is earned, not created.
@@m00singthe things I went through the past 3 years didn't make me stronger, they just damaged me I didn't gain anything positive from that bullshit, only pain and wasted time How is that good?
I don't know if you read comments, but I just wanna say you speak a lot of facts and wisdoms in your videos. Most people today do not have the mindset you have. Keep being you.
Facts. I grieved the loss of a daughter who was still alive and after my mental breakdown I built myself up and I sometimes feel grateful for the awful situation as it made me reevaluate life, I moved country and I would never have done that prior and greatest of all after 5 years of no contact due to extreme circumstances my 13 year old daughter now lives with me abroad.
I believe suffering is necessary to grow as a person. Doesn't mean we will all have the same torelance to that particular suffering but learning from our mistakes and our suffering is the best way to grow as a person.
i am 70 years old. the better part of my life i have endured suffering because of anxiety and all those things that happen to us as we grow. i was resentful and angry for many difficult years. i used drugs and alcohol to try and escape the suffering and finally the suffering became so bad that i had to quit drugs/alcohol because doing both was too much for me to handle. crazy right? so suffering does serve it's purpose. in later years now i meditate, pray, do breath work and various things. i am fortunate that i have a wonderful woman with me. that has made a huge difference.
Suffering also turned me into the person I am today. A traumatized mess of constant anxiety and fear of new things. Severe anti-social behavor due to my experience with other people as a child being overwhelmingly negative, and believing I'm far better off on my own. And so much more I've definitely improved as a person, slowly unlearning all of this. But I wouldn't have had to unlearn these traits if it weren't for the very suffering you think is positive. So tell me, Anti.Prophet, how exactly is any of this positive?
I hear you, and I speak your language. Very well, I'd imagine. I don't think Anti understands your journey. You're in the fringe of what he's saying. As am I. Because when I first heard his words, I had the same reaction that you did. But as I've pondered this over my life (still optimistic that one day it will all make sense and will have been worth it, like I used to tell myself as a helpless kid), what I've learned is to be far more resilient and adaptive to chaos than the average person. I've learned to use humor to diffuse problems. I've learned to register anger in others and immediately look for opportunities to quell it. I'm a damn good salesperson, which yes, is 100% related to my first twenty, highly toxic years on earth. But I also spent 15 years drunk and looking back wondering how I am even still alive. But here I am, a pocketful of harsh lessons learned that I am trying to make peace with. And I think if you dig into your trauma box, you'll find out how much more amazing you are for the world around you. I am no longer waiting for it all to make sense. I use my scars as my armor and I go out looking to make the world a better place for others, especially if I encounter people who've been on what seems like my own journey. There are not many at all, but when I meet them, I am ready to help save them 20 years of self-suffering by teaching them what I've learned, and how I've made peace, and how all that has made me a stronger, more-artistic, and more-valuable person, overall. Even if I still spend copious amounts of time trying to live in an alternate history. Or make jokes like that time I rebranded a Free Willy movie poster as an '80s kid milkcarton fantasy story. Dark sense of humor goes with the territory. Just saying. lol.
anti prophet had it a little messed up suffering should not be wished upon anyone because suffering is too far, pain isn’t suffering but can contribute to it, what you should wish upon others is not suffering but struggle and at a point where it’s not suffering but close to suffering because that’s where you grow the most
I don't think he means it that way. As a sexual assault survivor I feel you. But my suffering has made me stronger as a person. Is that once you understand the suffering that you go through and embrace it yourself then you will be a better person.
@@boop173 I get what you're saying but you shouldn't be at all happy that that happened to you. You don't need to be "tough", it's ok to be weak when your environment permits you to be vulnerable.
It's also why pushing yourself and getting a job is a good thing. Sports and physically training your body and mind to suffer and be better and stronger.
I feel like you share things through your own individual perspective and expect people to share your qualities that help you through your own journey. Our subconscious can only recognize the individual it belongs to. We may physically see a person, ie: your subconscious recognizes that person as you which is why we get annoyed by things in other people, because it is a mirror and the other person is but a reflection. So it's common for us to believe that people can handle similar or the same life journeys. But that's not at all the case. We all have our own paths to walk full of different obstacles, crossroads and forks in the roads. Dead ends, spirals and hills/mountains. Yes your suffering helped you to grow and to want to help heal other people. But not everyone on this planet was born to be a healer. They may have other soul purposes and that's ok. Everyone suffers but not everyone has the strength to heal their own traumas. Most people haven't even heard of Carl Jung's take on the shadow self. And even if they have, truly facing your own demons can be terrifying. It is one of the most terrifying things a person can do. On a more positive note, you following your dreams and achieving your goals is an inspirational thing to see. And it's even greater to hear that someone else has such passion to be a positive influence and help the world change and grow for the better.
Suffering and not breaking and staying broken is something few can do. Most people are weak minded fools who will break easily in the face of adversity.
I guess I did become a little resentful of the world around me. I'd rather spit teeth than continue holding my tongue against people who are lesser than myself.
I usually like your view points but here I respectfully agree to disagree! There are very few people who come out as a stronger and a better version as a result of suffering although that is the purpose of life but being a parent I cannot wish my daughter to have such suffering. At times, it takes a lifetime to come out from a trauma.
@@m00sing I agree but many times it does. Like when your loved one is seriously ill, you suffer but if they die out of that illness it does become a trauma (been there)
@@shikhapandey242 Sorry for your suffering and loss, and I would agree that conversion to death is a form of trauma, also speaking from experience. Lost my entire mother's side in 2020, starting with mom. But that trauma and that suffering has made me a lot stronger. Mostly because I had a choice to use it to win or to let it kill me. It took me a year, but I am slowing starting to accept that reality and use it to win. And that's the spirit I think I am seeing in what he's saying, as it would apply to more extreme cases. I don't think he was generally referring to these extreme situations, however, which is why I am trying to give him some defense here.
As i stated in a reply, suffering is an inevitability in life... so why not be compassionate by yourself, you realise if you don't support someone you care about through suffering then they will become bitter and resentful.
I don't think this is super useful. Despite what people say, hindsight is not 20/20. Especially when looking at something as complicated as human life. It's very easy to say "I suffered, and now I am here today", but it's much harder to reliably say "I suffered AND THUS I am here today". As I said, human life is very complicated. A completely unique and not completely replicable series of events made a completely unique and not a completely replicable person. Who is to say with such certainty which part of your journey to attribute to which part of your person? If you were talking about something like drinking a glass of orange juice a day, I wouldn't comment because, if you're wrong what harm could you do? But to subject a living person to suffering - a loved one? If you're wrong, you're causing tremendous damage. I find myself unconvinced that this is worth it based on a man's notions.
I grew up in an extremely violent background and ended up with PTSD, Borderline personality disorder and anxiety. I was wild and the best that was hoped for me was prison where i could be caged. Today, my children only know the non drinking,non smoking hard working man who is in control of his emotions. Everything i ever endured brought me here. My children will never be as strong as I am because they thankfully come from a different world however i understand that they need hardship not violence in order to grow.
Trial and error is the only way to succeed in hardship. Give in to one side, and you foreit what is to gain from the other. So yes, one should wish their pain onto not just loved ones, but the whole world. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't also wish enlightenment to them as well.
Everyone has different sufferings none of us know what he might have gone through, none of u know what I went through, I don't know what you've went through. It's up to us to use his view point and alter it to how we feel and what we went through, or you know. Simply ignore his view point.
He's right, no matter your journey. We could have a suffering pissing contest if you want, but I am about 99% confident most people have no idea what I've been through and how I coped and survived to this point. Twenty years ago, I'd talk like you about it: ignore his viewpoint. But today, I agree more with your idea to alter his points to meet circumstances. When he says to wish suffering on people, he's probably not talking about . He's talking about doing without. Or letting your kid get their ass kicked by the bullies so they build healthy resentment and find their Karate Kid moment. It's a little silver-lined cloudy, to be sure. He's not advocating everyone live life like someone in Alanon or someone who was locked in their room, forgotten about, for ten years, or related. He probably doesn't even understand those experiences. It is up to you to find a way to see his truth. He's not talking about (what seems to be) your suffering personally. He's telling you to turn that into your strength. And you won't win until you do, frankly. Again, we could have a pissing contest. I don't know you, but I know I make therapists cry with my story. So I imagine. . . I might know a thing or two here.
My one error in your logic is the fact that your situation was specific to you. You would have handles it differently than the people you care about. They may have handled it by suicide.
This dude is whacked. Compassion and empathy is a thing. You dont wish suffering on those you care about. Thats a dangerous mindset. Not everyone has the same mentality as you and if you are hanging around people like that you should switch up your circle.
I believe that you are immoral to my standards on this one friend. Unless it is war, to wish something on someone that they do not desire for themselves is tyrannical, torturous. Suffering is not always required to reach the sky. That is a human lie.
I would argue that because you have suffered there is no need for those you love to do the same. You can impart the wisdom you gained from suffering to them. Granted, it isn't easy to do this but, if done correctly, it can provide a blueprint for those you love to navigate their lives and avoid the pitfalls you encountered. The hard part is getting them to listen and take the lessons to heart.
Exactly.
That's why we teach our children subjects in schools, so they don't have to learn it the hard way.
This makes a lot of sense
They won't take it seriously, you gotta suffer to make your own story, you just sit around comfortably and wish to get successful
Nahh, this just reminds me of the quote "Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times." There's no skipping the hard times, albeit the type of hard times can be different (Example: Maybe your parents suffered from poverty, you could suffer through physical training and other forms of work or adversity). Good times will always create weak men this has been shown time and time again, History is cylic. Greece too fell because of weak men, and so will parts of the modern world in the coming years
It's a very simplistic way of seeing things. Not everyone has the same threshold for emotional suffering like you do. That's why compassion and empathy should come first before simply pushing someone to grow as a person out of the same suffering you had to endure just because that's how you found it in yourself. I understand the sentiment, but this is a dangerous mindset.
I think for those that you love and care about, you should understand which ones can handle this and which ones cannot. Discretion is the better part of valor. Though he is only wanting to help them be stronger, it is as you say. Some people are just not made that way. Some do not respond well to adversity. Surely they could benefit from toughening up, but that is not necessarily for you to decide, but for them. And regardless of what we wish on anyone, life is going to deliver more than enough struggle to each person individually without wishing it upon anyone, no matter what the justifications.
You are mistaken. Allow me to assist.
Agony, Suffering, Despair. What do these traits have in common?
Believe it or not, there is no single answer to this question. There could be an endless amount of similarities. Alas, this is the truth of all Emotion; it is never singular.
Regardless, those three Emotions, have three qualities I wish to touch on.
1: All three traits mean the same thing, yet are used in different capacity and values, thus making them lose meaning as a whole.
2: Each of these emotions are never achieved by simplistic means, nor are they discarded easily.
And lastly, the considerably more important similarity.
3: Despite their natural negativity, the three traits are not *dangerous.* In fact, there are no dangerous emotions. Each and every emotion coexists in the mind as a constant; a perfect harmony. Even when one side falls shorter than the other, it's almost never permanent.
Thus, despite how negativity affects the brain, it most certainly does NOT mean it is safe to prioritize positivity. "A stag beetle may believe in itself, but that may only leave it blind to the dangers of its predators."
And before you ask for proof that prioritization of positivity can be dangerous, I live and breathe as an example.
Believe me. If prioritizing positivity was safe, I would be counting stars. But if i, or anyone else focuses to much on the light, they WILL become blind to the dark. And in my case, if I became TOO blind to said darkness, No amount of hopes and dreams would save us.
In order to prevent one's self-torture, you must find perfect balance within yourself. Not one moment should one side be lower than the other. And in those rare moments, where there is no other choice but to face the dark or fight the light, don't let it control your fate. Use the soul you've been given, and push past the pain.
That is the only true way humanity will ever come to evolve.
This. It can dive into abu se if one is not careful.
@@Calibri_S yup balance is the key
The way i see it, suffering is inevitable so why wouldn't you yourself be compassionate.
For me personally this is spot on. Don’t save people from their suffering. That’s not your job. My suffering and the way I dealt with it has made me as a man.
From what I have seen you dont need to suffer in order to be a good person, you just need to learn how to be a good person, suffering may do that, or it could turn you sour or even suicidal, and suffering in itself is the bane of our lifes since emotions create the only meaning we have, so that isnt good, there are other ways of learning. Some people are even just born with the temperment to be an inherently good person, not just nice or seemingly nice but manipulative.
The best people to me are the ones that actually care about the well being of the people around them and make them feel happy, or give them logic for a way of life that is healthy.
Suffering is the equivalent of hard disciplining a kid for him to learn, instead of discipling them through meaningful conversations and talks.
I would love that too, if only it isn't wishful thinking. I'm only 19, but I've seen a fair share of bad things and struggles happening to people who absolutely don't deserve it in the first place to know that fairness and equity is a modern day mirage built within the society to compensate for the cruelty of nature.
Rather to pray for an easy life, I would rather pray for a strength to endure a hard one, for may my life be either hard or easy, I will stick through nonetheless, and thrive.
what one needs is balance within oneself to face anything in life
What he seems to be implying is that suffering is a definite part of life, and having the coping and problem-solving strategy for it is far more valuable than not in the face of those moments. It's better to learn from a controlled environment than from a random one, where possible.
As someone else pointed out regarding a quote about hard times producing hard men, who produce weak men ultimately, it's the truth. We heard it in school, at least a lot of us did it seems. And we're seeing it now. Struggle/suffering/pain = growth. It's how you build a muscle. It's how you strengthen a bone. It's how you grow and develop as a person.
And, it's how you prepare for the real world. Lack of suffering encourages people to become apathetic and arrogant. Humility is earned, not created.
@@m00singthe things I went through the past 3 years didn't make me stronger, they just damaged me
I didn't gain anything positive from that bullshit, only pain and wasted time
How is that good?
Not all suffering is good suffering . Some people have been sick/ disabled all through their life ! That's suffering you wouldn't wish on anyone
Just because there isn't always good suffering, doesn't mean there will always be bad suffering, my friend.
I don't know if you read comments, but I just wanna say you speak a lot of facts and wisdoms in your videos. Most people today do not have the mindset you have. Keep being you.
Facts. I grieved the loss of a daughter who was still alive and after my mental breakdown I built myself up and I sometimes feel grateful for the awful situation as it made me reevaluate life, I moved country and I would never have done that prior and greatest of all after 5 years of no contact due to extreme circumstances my 13 year old daughter now lives with me abroad.
That's true selfless wisdom! And I feel that to my core!
I believe suffering is necessary to grow as a person. Doesn't mean we will all have the same torelance to that particular suffering but learning from our mistakes and our suffering is the best way to grow as a person.
i am 70 years old. the better part of my life i have endured suffering because of anxiety and all those things that happen to us as we grow. i was resentful and angry for many difficult years. i used drugs and alcohol to try and escape the suffering and finally the suffering became so bad that i had to quit drugs/alcohol because doing both was too much for me to handle. crazy right? so suffering does serve it's purpose. in later years now i meditate, pray, do breath work and various things. i am fortunate that i have a wonderful woman with me. that has made a huge difference.
I dont like the fact you wont look us in the eyes, but that is really fucking awesome wisdom. straight up.
Love your content. I find that ive had alot of these conversations about adversity and the strength it creates❤
Wise words spoken
Suffering also turned me into the person I am today. A traumatized mess of constant anxiety and fear of new things. Severe anti-social behavor due to my experience with other people as a child being overwhelmingly negative, and believing I'm far better off on my own. And so much more
I've definitely improved as a person, slowly unlearning all of this. But I wouldn't have had to unlearn these traits if it weren't for the very suffering you think is positive.
So tell me, Anti.Prophet, how exactly is any of this positive?
I hear you, and I speak your language. Very well, I'd imagine.
I don't think Anti understands your journey. You're in the fringe of what he's saying. As am I. Because when I first heard his words, I had the same reaction that you did. But as I've pondered this over my life (still optimistic that one day it will all make sense and will have been worth it, like I used to tell myself as a helpless kid), what I've learned is to be far more resilient and adaptive to chaos than the average person.
I've learned to use humor to diffuse problems.
I've learned to register anger in others and immediately look for opportunities to quell it.
I'm a damn good salesperson, which yes, is 100% related to my first twenty, highly toxic years on earth.
But I also spent 15 years drunk and looking back wondering how I am even still alive.
But here I am, a pocketful of harsh lessons learned that I am trying to make peace with. And I think if you dig into your trauma box, you'll find out how much more amazing you are for the world around you.
I am no longer waiting for it all to make sense. I use my scars as my armor and I go out looking to make the world a better place for others, especially if I encounter people who've been on what seems like my own journey. There are not many at all, but when I meet them, I am ready to help save them 20 years of self-suffering by teaching them what I've learned, and how I've made peace, and how all that has made me a stronger, more-artistic, and more-valuable person, overall.
Even if I still spend copious amounts of time trying to live in an alternate history. Or make jokes like that time I rebranded a Free Willy movie poster as an '80s kid milkcarton fantasy story. Dark sense of humor goes with the territory. Just saying. lol.
anti prophet had it a little messed up suffering should not be wished upon anyone because suffering is too far, pain isn’t suffering but can contribute to it, what you should wish upon others is not suffering but struggle and at a point where it’s not suffering but close to suffering because that’s where you grow the most
I don't think he means it that way. As a sexual assault survivor I feel you. But my suffering has made me stronger as a person. Is that once you understand the suffering that you go through and embrace it yourself then you will be a better person.
@@boop173 I get what you're saying but you shouldn't be at all happy that that happened to you. You don't need to be "tough", it's ok to be weak when your environment permits you to be vulnerable.
@@jd_kreeper2799 I'm not really saying to be put in tough situations but even the simplest things can help you as a person
I agree .
The concept of tough love
Nice.
This guy went from 900k to 1M in a day
I bet this guy is so handsome 😊
It's also why pushing yourself and getting a job is a good thing. Sports and physically training your body and mind to suffer and be better and stronger.
No pain, no gain. Who wouldn't want to see their loved ones get gains?
I feel like you share things through your own individual perspective and expect people to share your qualities that help you through your own journey. Our subconscious can only recognize the individual it belongs to. We may physically see a person, ie: your subconscious recognizes that person as you which is why we get annoyed by things in other people, because it is a mirror and the other person is but a reflection. So it's common for us to believe that people can handle similar or the same life journeys. But that's not at all the case. We all have our own paths to walk full of different obstacles, crossroads and forks in the roads. Dead ends, spirals and hills/mountains. Yes your suffering helped you to grow and to want to help heal other people. But not everyone on this planet was born to be a healer. They may have other soul purposes and that's ok. Everyone suffers but not everyone has the strength to heal their own traumas. Most people haven't even heard of Carl Jung's take on the shadow self. And even if they have, truly facing your own demons can be terrifying. It is one of the most terrifying things a person can do. On a more positive note, you following your dreams and achieving your goals is an inspirational thing to see. And it's even greater to hear that someone else has such passion to be a positive influence and help the world change and grow for the better.
glad to see men not being a Yes man in the comments
Hard times create strong men
A sort of "tough love?"
Suffering and not breaking and staying broken is something few can do. Most people are weak minded fools who will break easily in the face of adversity.
True
I guess I did become a little resentful of the world around me. I'd rather spit teeth than continue holding my tongue against people who are lesser than myself.
I usually like your view points but here I respectfully agree to disagree! There are very few people who come out as a stronger and a better version as a result of suffering although that is the purpose of life but being a parent I cannot wish my daughter to have such suffering. At times, it takes a lifetime to come out from a trauma.
Suffering =/= trauma.
@@m00sing I agree but many times it does. Like when your loved one is seriously ill, you suffer but if they die out of that illness it does become a trauma (been there)
@@shikhapandey242 Sorry for your suffering and loss, and I would agree that conversion to death is a form of trauma, also speaking from experience. Lost my entire mother's side in 2020, starting with mom.
But that trauma and that suffering has made me a lot stronger. Mostly because I had a choice to use it to win or to let it kill me. It took me a year, but I am slowing starting to accept that reality and use it to win.
And that's the spirit I think I am seeing in what he's saying, as it would apply to more extreme cases. I don't think he was generally referring to these extreme situations, however, which is why I am trying to give him some defense here.
As i stated in a reply, suffering is an inevitability in life... so why not be compassionate by yourself, you realise if you don't support someone you care about through suffering then they will become bitter and resentful.
I don’t, cause i think everyone has been through something in their lives. Some people just need help on how to handle it better.
I am sorry suffering that leads to no end and if the wisdom you gain from it if applied to nothing is a waste.
I don't think this is super useful.
Despite what people say, hindsight is not 20/20. Especially when looking at something as complicated as human life. It's very easy to say "I suffered, and now I am here today", but it's much harder to reliably say "I suffered AND THUS I am here today". As I said, human life is very complicated. A completely unique and not completely replicable series of events made a completely unique and not a completely replicable person. Who is to say with such certainty which part of your journey to attribute to which part of your person?
If you were talking about something like drinking a glass of orange juice a day, I wouldn't comment because, if you're wrong what harm could you do? But to subject a living person to suffering - a loved one? If you're wrong, you're causing tremendous damage. I find myself unconvinced that this is worth it based on a man's notions.
I grew up in an extremely violent background and ended up with PTSD, Borderline personality disorder and anxiety. I was wild and the best that was hoped for me was prison where i could be caged.
Today, my children only know the non drinking,non smoking hard working man who is in control of his emotions.
Everything i ever endured brought me here. My children will never be as strong as I am because they thankfully come from a different world however i understand that they need hardship not violence in order to grow.
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Trial and error is the only way to succeed in hardship. Give in to one side, and you foreit what is to gain from the other.
So yes, one should wish their pain onto not just loved ones, but the whole world.
But that doesn't mean you shouldn't also wish enlightenment to them as well.
i can already see someone misinterpreting this
absolutely agree with you, I haven't had a hard life, but I will always appreciate my tough times
I sincerely hope you keep that mindset.
I'm willing to bet you've listened to many peterson lectures
It seems like he changes his shirt based on the topic. Does anyone else think so?
Everyone has different sufferings none of us know what he might have gone through, none of u know what I went through, I don't know what you've went through. It's up to us to use his view point and alter it to how we feel and what we went through, or you know. Simply ignore his view point.
He's right, no matter your journey. We could have a suffering pissing contest if you want, but I am about 99% confident most people have no idea what I've been through and how I coped and survived to this point. Twenty years ago, I'd talk like you about it: ignore his viewpoint. But today, I agree more with your idea to alter his points to meet circumstances.
When he says to wish suffering on people, he's probably not talking about . He's talking about doing without. Or letting your kid get their ass kicked by the bullies so they build healthy resentment and find their Karate Kid moment. It's a little silver-lined cloudy, to be sure.
He's not advocating everyone live life like someone in Alanon or someone who was locked in their room, forgotten about, for ten years, or related. He probably doesn't even understand those experiences.
It is up to you to find a way to see his truth. He's not talking about (what seems to be) your suffering personally. He's telling you to turn that into your strength. And you won't win until you do, frankly.
Again, we could have a pissing contest. I don't know you, but I know I make therapists cry with my story. So I imagine. . . I might know a thing or two here.
Why do you cover your face?
Ooh crypto prophet on the run wants to give us his wisdom…
"I abuse my kids to built their character"
Like you realize how effed up this sounds?
My one error in your logic is the fact that your situation was specific to you. You would have handles it differently than the people you care about. They may have handled it by suicide.
This dude is whacked. Compassion and empathy is a thing. You dont wish suffering on those you care about. Thats a dangerous mindset. Not everyone has the same mentality as you and if you are hanging around people like that you should switch up your circle.
I believe that you are immoral to my standards on this one friend. Unless it is war, to wish something on someone that they do not desire for themselves is tyrannical, torturous.
Suffering is not always required to reach the sky.
That is a human lie.
You sure you’re not just a run-of-the-mill malicious narcissist? 🤔
LOL! Foolish “wisdom”.
Lost me at “i wouldnt LIVE IN BALI” again just another excuse for captain no body to brag
never recommend this channel to me again. I have no respect for a person hiding behind a mask even regardless of his message.
some of the stuff he says is total bs