EQ 006 - How do EVs heat the cabin in winter? Heat pump, or not?
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- If you ever wondered how an electric car creates heat for the cabin in the winter, then this video should be of interest to you. Is it worth having a heat pump in an electric car? What is a PTC Heater? There are three general types of heating in an electric car and in this video I give a brief overview of all three, and give examples of some of the EVs that use them.
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00:00 Intro
00:18 My wife and I thank you
00:54 10,000 SUBSCRIBERS!
01:47 Heating a car - Gas vs Electric
02:19 Older technology
03:05 What’s a P.T.C Heater?
04:17 The heat pump
05:25 Not all EVs have a heat pump
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06:53 Should you get a car with a heat pump?
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Congrats on the 10,000! My Niro EV has the heat pump. I cannot tell what range I would get in the winter without one, but I register a very acceptable loss of range between summer and winter (taking into account that winter days rarely go under -10°C where I live). I get about 450 km in the summer and 360-380 km in the winter (mixed driving conditions). Most of the time in Eco.
You get excellent range with your Niro EV! It really depends on driving style, road conditions, temperature, as well as highway versus city though. I usually get 400km summer and 300km winter, but I do like sport mode ;-)
Great to see you back! And congratulations on the 10K subs, well deserved. Merci André, t'es le meilleur! ❤
Merci beaucoup, j'apprécie vraiment. Je suis pas mal fier d'avoir atteint 10,000 abonnés, et honoré car ça veut dire que 10,000 personnes trouve que mes vidéos valent la peine d'écouter.
Love that you left them in! 🙂
welcome back, congrats on 10K subs
Thank you very much. I am really happy about the 10K, it is a big milestone for me 😎
Great. Finally. Really missed your videos. Good to "have you back"....
Thank you very much.
Another excellent presentation - thank you.
Thank you very much.
Great to have you back sir! Always good info. Reason I bought my 2020 Niro EV.
Thank you very much, glad to be back. I am glad that my videos could help you choose wisely 😎
Andrè, nice to see you again doing videos. ✅
Thank you very much.
Good to have you back in action❤️ A couple of questions related to the Niro EV heating:
1. There’s a winter mode option in Niro EV console settings, does it play any role in activating the heat pump to keep the battery warm? I never really understood it’s purpose as there is literally no documentation available to see what that mode is about. The manual’s wordings seems very vague.
2. When I turn on the cabin heat, the system always turn on the AC and Heat at the same time. I have the auto(dehumidify/defog) settings disabled and set the heat on manual.
Is that a normal operation with heat?
3. Plus with heat on, I never get an option to recirculate the cabin air as it seems to be disabled when heat is on. As if it wants to get the fresh air in to heat the cabin. Only downside is you get other cars gas exhaust fumes if driving behind a diesel hogger; cigarette smoke in the cabin while parked and someone smoking a cigarette nearby.
Thank you.
1) The heat pump is only for the HVAC system and has nothing to do with the battery heater that is part of the Winter Mode option. The battery heater will activate at an unspecified low temperature (Kia never answered my questions), but from what I have read it only happens with the car is plugged in. You can leave Winter Mode active all year round as it is temperature dependant.
2) If the AC is coming on at the same time as the heat, like mine does, then you have not actually disabled the auto-dehumidify option. Double check to make sure it really is off. I leave it active as it is very convenient to keep fog off of the windows and has no negative impact on the car.
3) When I set the HVAC to heat, I use Auto, but if I press the recirculate button on the right knob, the light turns on and the system recirculates air. Yours should do the same even though mine is a 2019. One thing to note, recirculate should only be used for short periods of time when it is cold, or raining a lot, or you will have an accumulation of humidity on the windows making visibility more difficult. I use recirculate when I drive through a tunnel, or follow a disgusting diesel.
@@EV-olution thanks so much for answering to my queries so quickly. I will follow your suggestions to see if they help, especially the air recirculation one🙃 how’s your furry friend doing? Glad to hear that your wife has recovered fully. Take care!
@@nikhilvibhu the kitten is a tornado of fun
I believe I read up on the Niro heat pump and found that they made a couple of design decisions to make it more effective than some others. I believe it draws air from inside the car and also circulates it over the battery's cooling fluid to recapture some of the waste heat from the batteries.
Great video!
Correct, Kia and Hyundai heat pumps are very efficient, scavenging waste heat from the inverter and battery to heat the cabin in the winter. This does, however, cause an issue in the winter when heading to a DC Fast Charging station to charge since the battery is cooled down by the heat pump, reducing the efficiency of charging in cold weather. To resolve this they need to add battery preconditioning, which is simply a software update away. The nice thing is that Genesis has this option for the GV60, which means that it could easily be added the Ioniq 5 and EV6, which I really hope they do.
About time you've come back and answer for what you have done!.. I have a Kia Niro EV in my driveway now :-P ( Just kidding but yeah I do have Niro now)
😂😂😂. Now that you have a Niro EV in your driveway all that is missing is a new EV-olution t-shirt 😉😎
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Thanks for the video, do you think having an awd on an ev makes a good difference here in canada considering the snow here in the south
Regardless of the fuel, gas or electric, an AWD vehicle will always perform better than a RWD or FWD vehicle in the snow. The question is, do you really need it? I have never owned an AWD vehicle and live in the Montréal area, in the province of Québec, where we can receive a lot of snow and it can get very cold, yet I have never had a probem. My Niro EV is FWD and I have excellent winter tires, so I never have issues in the snow. If I lived in the country, or where there are lots of steep hills, then I would want an AWD with excellent winter tires, and maybe even studded winter tires, but since I live in a more urban area my FWD Niro EV is more than fine in the winter, it is actually great. Another thing to consider is that EVs are heavy because of the large batteries they carry around, so traction in the snow and ride comfort are generally excellent. Essentially you need to make your choice based on your daily drive environment, then based on personal preference. I hope this helps.
Thank you for this vidéo. I live in France where winter températures are sometimes négative but despite that for an Incomprehensible reason KIA France has choosen not to installed a heat pump (even in option) on the e-niro sells in France while it is à standard équipement in Belgium. Inconsistent decision
Je suis d'accord avec vous et je ne comprends pas pourquoi que la thermopompe n’est pas au moins une option à acheter en France. De plus, Kia l’offre en option aux États-Unis pour peu d’argent supplémentaire, pourtant certains états dans lesquels que cette option est disponible ont des températures d’hiver douces, comme les vôtres. À titre d'info, je suis du Québec et je parle le français, donc ne gênez-vous pas à m’écrire en français. 😉
In Brexitania, you only get a heat pump on the top spec. But dealerships aren’t telling new buyers, that without the heat pump, the car’s winter range will be affected by quite a bit.
In France dealerships are not better than yours, they didn't inform me about the 11kw charger option which is interresting when you charge on public stations
André, je ne savais pas pour ton épouse mais je suis heureux d’apprendre qu’elle va mieux maintenant. Tu lui diras un prompt rétablissement.
Salut Yves, merci beaucoup, et oui, je vais lui dire.
Thanks
My pleasure 😎
Félicitations on your 10k subs, it is well deserved!
Now, a quibble: my 2020 SX Touring is apparently equipped with a heat pump, as is the current EX+ and SX Touring trims. Was that new in the 2020 model year? Either way, even during our recent deep freeze, I've always been happy with how warm I was.
Thank you very much.
My 2019 Niro EV has a heat pump, as shown in the video, but it was only in the SX Touring top trim for 2019 and 2020. In 2021 the EX+ trim was added between the base EX and top SX, and also includes a heat pump. So basically, for any year of the Niro EV, the heat pump is included from the EX+ trim and up.
10k well deserved. Should be 10x that!
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100k that! 😉
Thank you, I really appreciate it. I hope that this year will be the year I hit 20,000 subscribers 😎
@@EV-olution
Expansion tends to be exponential.
1 👍attracts 2, attracts 4, etc. Not to mention "the algorithm" 😱
Chevy Bolts heat very well, only after they catch fire. Since you are in Quebec, have you noticed road salt damage to the electrical components, including the battery pack on your 2019 e-Niro?
First... LoL.
My Niro EV still looks like new underneath. No issues with road salt and no issues with any components, including the battery.
also some models ranges get a HP, some are extra and can depend on the market. So in the UK the Kia and Hyundai is an option on the EV6/ionic5, only on the top spec E-Niro,....and not at ll on the e-niro in the USA afaik..
You are correct. Depending on the market the heat pump may be included, or may be an option. The US Niro EV does have the heat pump as an option.
@@EV-olution For the US, calling it an "Option" is... generous. By and large, cars shipped to the northern states have them, and cars shipped to the southern states don't. Very few exceptions, and nearly all of those will involve dealer trades.
Longest 2 seconds of my life :D Yeah nah yeah, great content, again!
Thank you very much 😎
Glad to see you “back”, I bought a Niro EV in early December here in Maryland. How are the Fast wheels doing for you?
Thank you very much. I love my Fast Wheels. They offer about the same range on highway, but far better range in city driving due to them being about 10lbs lighter per wheel, which reduced rolling inertia. I was able to get efficiency numbers that I never got with the original Kia wheels. I highly recommend the EV01+ from @Fast Wheels
The kia Niro ev Ex 2022(base model in canada) doesn’t come with the heatpump or battery heater. Is it worth paying the extra 5k for upgrading to the ex+ that comes with heated steering wheel, heated seats , heat pump and battery heater? Thanks.
In my opinion the EX+ is well worth the extra money for the added benefits of the extra features.
@@EV-olution thank you very much for your answer
@@adamlaferriere3791 my pleasure.
So then a question for you - I am 5 months into owning my Niro EV with a heat pump, and I love it. I am interested in getting my second EV soon for my wife, and I have my eyes in the Kona EV - mainly because it is a lot cheaper. But here in the US it does NOT have an option for a heat pump (I have no idea why). We are in NY with really cold winters, and good hot summers. How much of a deal breaker do think it really is to not have a heat pump?
I would say it depends on a few factors and what you can live with. Do you park outside all of the time? Will you regularly drive long distances in cold weather (about -10C or colder)? If you park outside all of the time, but only drive an occasional long distance trip, then I would say it is not a big deal to not have a heat pump. If the car parks inside all of the time and you occasionally drive long distance trips, then I would also say it is no big deal. If you park outside all of the time and drive long trips on a regular basis, then I would say that getting a car with a heat pump is probably a good idea. But you have to consider that it is also a question of whether you can live with the reduced range as compared to an equivalent with the heat pump. My Niro EV loses about 25% range in the winter. What would be the loss without a heat pump? I am not sure, but I would say that even if it is up to 35% then you know what you are getting into regardless, and you buy based on the range and your daily use, not the fact that it has a heat pump or not.
Why not get a 2nd Niro? LOL. I just picked one up and am excited to really try it out! Got a good deal on my lease, $1300 due at signing + 35 months at $369. Got it in Copiague NY at South Shore Kia
no heat pump in the kona due to parts availability. But you would need the higher end trims for at least the battery heater.
André, the LEAF already had a PTC in model year 2011.
Thank you, that is good to know.
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Hi , did you by any chance encounter a PC017 error for your niro it is going
by drive train Drive Motor "A" Position Sensor Not Learned. I'm curious
as some people say it is due to the dongle and according to others it is
a real error, do you have any knowledge about this?
I have never had an error code and I have had my OBD2 dongle plugged in 24/7 for 2 years. As far as I know, any error of that kind can't be caused by plugging in an OBD2 receiver because it does not send info to the car, it only reads.
@@EV-olution Yes interestingly I check some forums where people mentioned this on 2021 model like mine and it can't be detected by dealer diagnostic I have a check with the dealer and will keep you posted. I'm glad your wife is ok be blessed and take care !
Thank you.
You might have included using waste heat from the battery+drive train (aka., octovalve.) Also do some benchmarks to show the kW as a function of outside and interior temperature.
Using my JuiceNet 40 Pro, it takes about 2.5 kW parked with exterior about 25 F and interior 75 F. But only about 1.5 kW when the interior is set to 65 F augmented by seat heaters.
I actually mention the waste heat being used, it is a text overlay on the left of the screen when I also show the image of the heat pump and talk about where it gets the heat.
Also, this is an EQ episode, a quickie, not an in depth description of how this all works. There are several videos out there that already talk about the details. Thanks for posting the details of your experience.
Hi, I am the owner of the eNiro 64kWh without a heat pump. Do you have any idea how to preheat the battery before it is even connected to charging? Or before a trip on frosty days when I charge in the garage from 230V or 400V 3F (Poland)? I know, of course, that there was a petition to KIA to add a button that starts heating the battery while driving before charging, but it probably did not help ...
Just an FYI, the heat pump is only used for the cabin heating and air conditioning, it is not related to the battery heater. To be able to heat the battery you car must have the Winter Mode option in the EV settings of the touchscreen; this will confirm if your car has the battery heater option or not. With that being said, there is no way to precondition the battery before you get to a rapid charger. Also to note, the battery heater (Winter Mode) will only activate when the car is plugged in and charging. As you mentioned there is a petition (I signed it) to get the preconditioning option added to the e-Niro, but unfortunately I don't think Kia will do anything about it. It seems they might add it to the EV6 and Ioniq 5 since it seems the Genesis GV60 will get the feature.
If your car is at home in your garage to charge on 240V, then I would suggest heating the garage to 15C to keep the battery warm to ensure you get more range, or make sure your have Winter Mode activated all of the time. There is no need to turn it off because it has no effect in warmer weather. Also to note, if you use the Kia Connect (UVO) app to change the desired charge level, there is a bug that deactivates Winter Mode so you have to reactivate it when you get in the car. This only happens when you use the app to change the max charge level.
I hope this helps.
@@EV-olutionThank you. This is a very interesting information about the Kia Connect error, I did not know about it before. Winter MODE was turning off for me, but I didn't realize it could have happened after using the app the way you described.
@@sylwesterjachimowski7642 I am glad I could help. I am surprised that Kia has not resolved this issue since it should be simple to fix in the code of the car. Thanks for taking the time to watch my video, I appreciate it.
I have a 2023 Kia Niro EV with a heat pump. How do you known when it's working and is there some way it is shown on the screen?
There is nothing on the screen, but you can tell it is working because of the sound it makes when the heating/AC is on.
At last my friend!!!!! :)))
In a heat pump equipped EV, is the A/C unit separate or can both be bundled together ?
If the EV has a heat pump, depending on the EV, it can work with the AC system making it more efficient to cool the car in the summer. You can also have an EV that has no heat pump, but has AC. They are separate units that can work together.
@@EV-olution Maybe clarify a bit? A/C units are heat pumps. I did think that the units in cars work in the same way as house units work. They use the same compressor, inside and outside air to gas/liquid condenser and evaporator. They have a valve that reverse inside and outside when heating instead of cooling. And probably an electric de-icing element in the outside unit when in heating mode. In cars with only A/C they make it a bit cheaper by not adding the valve. Its also possible that the gas has to be different to be used for both cooling and heating. Maybe I misunderstood your comment that they are separate units? I will try to remember to ask the workshop next week when they replace the compressor in our e-Niro. 😊
First time ive payed attention when i saw the teslas rear seating passenger area windows were fogged up as though it was freezing inside.
Maybe the guy was running low on energy so he dicided to freeze a little.
Temps were minus 8 so it was pretty cold.
If you see fogging in almost any car, when it is cold or humid outside, usually means the user has either turned the HVAC to a very low or off setting, or has turned on recirculate, which is a no-no in those situations.
@@EV-olution ya maybe the guy was running low on battery so he kept it off.
Sorry to hear about your wife! Glad to hear everything is coming along okay.
Thank you, all is good and she is fine 😎
What about the efficiency difference for AC in the summer? A heat pump is also going to be a lot more efficient for that as well - won't it?
You are correct, it also helps in the summer, for AC. Basically the heat pump is an excellent option to have.
@@EV-olution How is a heat pump going to help in summer! A heat pump is basically an AC working in reverse. In summer it makes no difference
@@aneeshzutshi3419 because the Kia Niro EV (and I am guessing other EVs) use the heat pump as part of the HVAC for air conditioning. My Kia EV6 does the same, so do the Ioniq 5, Ioniq 6 and I am pretty sure the new EV9 will also do it.
Here is a PDF that explains how it works.
www.kianiroforum.com/attachments/heat-pump-info-pdf.8180/?hash=bf36970e53df63ab4e3b922d3808fdbb
It is only more efficient than PTC heater in heating mode , no difference from a simple AC while cooling.
@@aneeshzutshi3419 you are correct. The heat pump efficiency gains are only related to the heating in winter, versus resistive and PTC heating. My comment from 1 year ago was not clear. The heat pump helps as part of the AC system, but does not add efficiency to the AC functionality.
A good question. Heating can burn a lot of watts.
In the UK I have the MY2022 2 Long Range 64kWh and it doesn't have the heat pump. This is my 5th EV and the winter efficiency of this car is poor, losing on average 30 mile with the heating on 20°C and when it was below 0°C, I saw an initial 50 mile range difference. Just as well it has a large battery to compensate. I think the heat pump should be standard but I'm to believe that the Hyundai Group on some EV models now want £1100 to fit one and is only a factory build option.
Considering the small amount of money that Kia charges for the option in some markets, I agree, they should just make is standard. With that being said, when you say your car loses 30 miles of range when you use the heating, have you driven a full charge on a long trip to calculate the 30 miles, or is it what the GOM indicates when you turn on the heat? The GOM calculates range based on the power drain at the moment, and the PTC heater draws a lot of power at first while heating up. Once the temperature has been achieved the power draw from the heater is less and has less of an impact.
@@EV-olution Yes, it's the Instant power drain when using the most energy and as the cabin heats it obviously decreases but still quite a difference. With a Heat pump car I only ever saw 10-15 mile instant range reduction in similar cold conditions. If it could be an option I would have the heat pump retro fitted.
This 2LR car was created at £34950 in the UK to take advantage of the then Government grant of £2500 for cars below £35000, so they removed severl items to give the 64kWh battery. Having the heat pump would of taken it over the then threshold. The grant is now only £1500 and a only for cars valued under £32000. Thanks.
Just so you have a direct comparison, my 2019 Niro EV has a heat pump. This morning when it was -15C my car was plugged in, but not charging as it had reached 90%, the GOM in the Kia Connect app indicated 318km of range, but when I activated the heater using the app the GOM range dropped to 256km. This is normal, regardless of whether the Niro EV has a heat pump or not. The important thing is that once the car achieved the desired temperature, not very long after, the range went back up to just below 300km. The initial power draw of the PTC heater is very high, which is one of the benefits of a PTC heater because it is able to heat up quickly, but it then throttles back the power draw as the temperature is reached.
My wife has a Vauxhall Mokka e and cars heater has stopped working. That is until we take it to the dealership. Three times we have taken it to the dealership and I’m not sure they know what to do to fix it.
That is unfortunate. Since we don't have Vauxhall in North America I don't know the brand, let alone the reliability or issues. If it is not a known issue for the Mokka e then the problem has to be the heat pump, the PTC heater, or the controller. I really hope the dealer finds the issue quickly and repairs it quickly.
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Another thing to keep in mind, heat pumps are more complex, so a little bit more prone to failures... (and expensive to fix in case of problems). Yet, they are more efficient :)
Yes, it is a more complex system, but with Kia having heat pumps in their EVs for quite some time, with few failures, I am no too worried 😎
Having had an EV with a heat pump and owning one now without it has born out my theory that it would make no difference to the short journeys I make 95% of the time I am sure that would change though if I did a long trip in the winter as heat can be scavenged from the battery and drive systems so the bottom line is make your decision based on your usage, there is one other consideration which may or may not concern you and that is resale interest as in there may be more buyers if the vehicle has a heat pump to cover all usage.
I agree that the longer you use the car on a single trip when it is cold, the better it is to have the heat pump.
This narrator has some Saganesque qualities.
Yep, I get that occasionally 😎
The heat pump option for the Niro - which includes a battery warmer, heated steering wheel and seats, is a little over a thousand US dollars. So it seems like an inexpensive and useful thing to include on any EV.
At that low price it is well worth the extra money and I would not pass on it.
I thought some systems do heat scavenging from the battery, maybe via a heat pump?
Yes, they do. I have that information in the video, when I talk about where heat pumps get the heat from, there is text on the screen that lists them.
If you got stickers of your channel logo that would be awesome to put on my car!
Glad to hear your wife is alright.
Thank you, and I will look into stickers 😎
Another TH-camr "FinlandTony" installed a dieselheater in his E-Niro :-)
Yes, but he lives in an area where it is -30C on a daily basis 😎
A report from the batcave!
If I buy a car that is advertised as having a heat pump, how do I confirm it actually has?
It depends on the model of car since they all have different heat pump placement.
@@EV-olution is there a light or switch to actually show the heat pump exists.
@@billywizzer1084 no, the heat pump is not something you can monitor in the car, you have to look for it under the hood.
@@EV-olution I do apologise for keeping on with my questions, but as car companies charge a great deal extra for the heat pump, how I would know it's working and anything else you think is relevant.
@@billywizzer1084 the only way to know if it has one is to look at it under the hood. Sorry.
Heatpump.....
It's "the back of your fridge".... Inside out.
Really sounds like it too in operation. Lol
According to AAA driving in 20 degree weather with the heater on shortens the EVs range by 41%!!
I am not sure what EV they were using and how they tested, but that has not been my experience in my previous Niro EV, nor in my wife's Soul EV; we experience an average loss of 30% range in the winter over the last 3 years. I also know that it is not the experience of many other EV owners. It's important to note that the initial heating of the cabin is what "costs" the most power but once at temperature the heating costs very little. Another tip is to preheat the cabin while the car is plugged in at the house if it is very cold. I do this when it is -25C and colder, otherwise I just preheat and take the power hit because over 300km of winter range is more than enough for daily use.
That’s why they are basically toys
If you live in a cold climent state u need heat in winter
Yes, that is correct, just like here in the province of Québec,. Which is why I made this video to explain that electric cars heat very well, regardless of the heat source, heat pump, resistive, or PTC.
@@EV-olution I heard that they fail a lot
@@michaelstrout3839 I don't know where you are getting that information, but since Tesla fixed the heat pump issue they were having about 1.5 years ago there are no problems I know of. Also, for cars like the Chevy Bolt, that does not have a heat pump, it never had heating issues, neither does the older Nissan Leaf which also did not have a heat pump. Kia and Hyundai EVs also don't have issues. There was a bad part from a heat pump supplier for Hyundai about 2 years ago, but that was easily fixed for the few people who had the issue. In general, any modern EV has no issues offering tons of heat, and offers all of the benefits I mention in the video. I had a Niro EV for 3 years, I have my EV6 for over 1 year now, my wife has a Soul EV for over 4 years, and we have never had issues with heat in the winter, even at -35C.
Mildly cold? My wife would find minus 5c bloody cold 🥶 but then we live in Southern U.K.
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@Richard Wood
A little warmer here in East Sussex, but not much.
Spoke more about your pages than the subject at hand.
Hmmm... 10 minute video with 3 minutes 51 seconds of off topic info and bloopers = 6 minutes 9 seconds of information that is on topic. I don't know how much of my video you skipped, but it would have had to have been about half for you to come out to that conclusion. Also to note, I put chapters on all of my videos so you can easily skip the bits you are not interested in.
@@EV-olution most people just like to get right to the point.
@EV-olution sure, OP exaggerated slightly, but 40% off topic is not a good ratio IMO.
@Thomas Childs that's my point. 👍👍
I make videos as a hobby, to have fun, and hopefully help people. I make them for me, as I like them, and sometimes have more than just the subject matter to discuss.
The nice thing is that…
A) The subject matter was covered, regardless of what else was in the video.
B) This is my EQ series, not my standard format of videos.
C) There are chapters for viewers to skip to where they want, so they don’t have to watch the other parts.
D) Nobody is forcing anyone to watch the video.
E) Anyone who feels the structure of any video they watch is not to their liking are free to create a TH-cam channel, spend 15 to 80 unpaid hours per video, creating content, publish it for the world to see and wait for back seat producers to comment on what is wrong with their videos.
After 2 months 😴
Three months actually. My last video was just over 90 days ago!
Electric vehicles are never going to replace gas in extreme environments
"there will be never a machine in the air traveling from one place to another" :p
Insufficient, maybe polar bears may enjoy it.
You must be right. The fact that I have not had to scrape ice from my EVs for the last 4.5 years because the car gets to 27C within a few minutes, and I have to constantly reduce the temperature in the winter because it's too hot, proves that I must be wrong and EVs don't heat in the winter. Thanks for pointing that out.... that's sarcasm, in case you missed it.
@@EV-olution Only 27C? That's much too low.. I get air out of my heater vent at 84C. Beat that.
@@user-wk6mb7mw3g 84 Celcius is 183 Farenheit, which would melt the plastic HVAC tubes, parts of the dashboard, and fry electronics. Beyond that, even if the car could survive that temperature, it would cause 2nd to 3rd degree burns to anyone. FYI, I will no longer respond to your ridiculous comments, so I hope you enjoyed the 30 seconds of the attention you were seeking. Have a great life.
One thing that should happen to anyone that owns an EV...They should be made to put their credit card into the charging station and pay for the electric they use to recharge their batteries! Once they got their first credit card bill, they'd drop EV's in a heart beat...Sad when we are forced by default to help subsidize the 'fuel" for EV owners, but they don't offer to help pay for my fuel at the local station!..Only sweet smile I get is knowing I can find fuel most anywhere and not have to plan my day, week, or vacation around the location of a charging station...Not to mention I can fuel up in less than 15 minutes, arriving at my destinations long before the EV has unplugged from the charger!! :-) .The only worthwhile EV's are golf carts and wheelchairs..!
It is a shame that you have been given incorrect information about how EVs and EV charging works. Every EV owner pays for their charging sessions and the electricity they use. It is not always directly with a credit card on the station. Most of the time you use an app that has your credit card in it, and you load your account with a dollar value that you want to use to charge, and it is taken from your credit card.
With that being said, 90% of the time an EV owner does not need to use public charging stations because we can simply plug in the car at home, and as far as I can tell no utility company is giving electricity for free, we pay for what we use. “Filling up” my EV at home costs about 7$ and nobody is subsidizing the electricity use.
What I can tell you is that the US government heavily subsidizes the gas and oil industry, so you don’t need EV owners paying for what you fill your gas car with. Conservative estimates put U.S. direct subsidies to the fossil fuel industry at roughly $20 billion per year; with 20 percent currently allocated to coal and 80 percent to natural gas and crude oil. Here is one of many references: www.eesi.org/papers/view/fact-sheet-fossil-fuel-subsidies-a-closer-look-at-tax-breaks-and-societal-costs
With that in mind, the National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure (NEVI) Formula Program established by President Biden, will provide nearly $5 billion over five years. Which means that the annual subsidies to help create a bigger charging network for EVs in the US is less than 5% of what the US puts into oil every year, and has been doing so for decades. And the NEVI program is for charging stations, not the electricity we use. EV owners don’t see a single penny, we just get to use the charging stations that will get deployed, meaning that over time long trips will require less planning.
On a related note, I have not had to spend those 15 minutes that you mentioned, filling up with gas, for 4 years now. How many times per week are you spending those 15 minutes? How many hours per month, or per year does that add up to? And how many thousands of dollars of gas are you spending annually?
Not only do you save time and money with an EV, you help reduce the pollution you put into the atmosphere, helping fight climate change, so your children can have a planet to live on. If I had to choose between a golf cart or a gas car, I would take the electric golf cart if it meant leaving a healthy planet for my kids.
Some links to consider with regards to climate change:
California: www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2023/02/28/california-sierra-nevada-blizzard-snow-record/
Texas: weather.com/news/weather/video/serious-dust-storm-rolls-through-west-texas
US Drought Report: www.ncei.noaa.gov/news/us-drought-weekly-report-february-21-2023
US Tornadoes as of Feb 28th: www.cnn.com/2023/02/27/weather/winter-storm-us-monday/index.html
I hope this information helps you out and have a great day.
Thank you Scott for your input. Go have another weiner.
you do realise EV owners pay for the electricity? how are you so misinformed?
You must be a Rhodes scholar with such a deep understanding of this whole topic.
Everything you say is completely true! I bought an EV six months ago and i'm on a mission to convince everybody else not to buy an EV as I want the cheap electric and free access to public chargers myself for at leat a couple of years. Mass adoption will only serve to cost me more, so please stick with your petrol car for at least a few more years!