I bought a Spyder for a reason. Turbo cars are fine for the city but on the track and an open twisty road - the feeling of a NA can't be beat. And the sound!
Hi from Germany, i Drive Porsche 911 since 20 Years and i owned a 991 GTS Coupé from March 2016 , for me best 911 ever, my porsche Salesmanager say, this GTS have Emotion but the New 991.2 Turbo hasn t It. I Try a Lot before, M3 , AMG GTS and Nissan GTR but Last i Bus the 991 GTS. In Germany the prices of used GTS in the moment are high and the GTS are rare.to find... I find 20 ...Price start around 120000 € ..... Sorry for my Bad english writting. best regards Karl
Hi Joe, thank you for your amazing reviews on the 2015 GTS. This contributed to decide me to get this car. Actually I have a 2015 GTS, same color as you but 4 wheel drive. I'm so happy with it. The story of downsizing the motor is because of the anti-pollution regulation in Europe. That was the only way to keep performance at a highest level without consuming more fuel. I've not yet tried the new turbo 911 but I have a couple of friends that told me that the experience of driving was not as good as the GTS : it's fast but you can't really feel it. So I think that we own the last 911 with a naturally aspirated engine. The next coming GTS, 2017 model, will also receive a turbo. We should keep our car and take care of it, that may be a future collector as the old 993 which was the last one with air cooling and that is now hard to find in the market or very expansive. Please continue to publish so nice videos about this fantastic car. That will be very interesting when you publish in the future a video comparing the 2015 GTS and the 2017 GTS.
I really enjoy the GTS as I hope you could tell from the video. And I think I will enjoy it for many years to come. And I do think it is a future collector. When I purchased it, I knew the turbo Carrera's were in the works and some friends would ask, shouldn't you wait for the latest and greatest? So now that turbo Carreras are out, I wanted to see what people thought.
I think you should definitely keep it. This is a future classic. The whole auto industry is going electric with the turbocharged versions being just an intermediary step towards full electric vehicles. This however is one of the last great NA 911s, not to mention the spec and the sound is soo nice.
KEEP THE GTS!! The sound and response will always be better. Not to mention I believe the N/A cars will continue to hold value, maybe even appreciate eventually
Hey Joe, I'm 24 and I consider myself a future Porsche 911 owner - though I've got some time to cook since this opportunity is a few years away. But I'll certainly have to make this particular choice at some point, whether to go NA or Forced and of course new or used.... I think my preference is NA, but that aside - I'd say keep your GTS and any NA Porsche car for that matter as its a landmark. Porsche by regulated force somewhat did owners a backdated favor of older NA cars in that this is again a landmark change...we know Porsche people and owners will uphold this preference and favor by the increased value of finite cars. Gennerally Porsche people are quite traditional people in nature (myself included) in what makes a great drivers experience. The movement of the 911 to turbocharging is mostly because of stricter regulation standards and second to keep up with evolutionary performance after reaching what I feel is the pinnacle of NA (including the GTS, R, GT3 and RS, etc.) in varying flavors. Your GTS may become the most modern NA pinnacle of the Carrera. I should say, I'd still gladly take a 991.2, though it's heavier and doesn't sound as good...and that's a big deal to me...as a musician with an ear...I think I hear the difference in videos. The NA sounds on overrun sound fantastic are natural (for obvious reasons). The 991.2 sounds "clinical" and is engineered. The .1 burble is unique in pattern and does not repeat. The .2 because of the Turbo repeats the same burble pattern because it's engineered and it really drives me nuts...automann video of his experience really points out what I mean compared to your GTS Joe. It's spontaneous vs predictable and sound for me as a musician is huge. Just like the F80 to E90...these issues are painful.
There is something really special about your specific car, from the blacked out exterior to the blacked out dash board, the sound is like going to heaven and back.
Keep the GTS. Once you get the 991.2 and had it for a few years, your going to want to upgrade again, and again and again. The more you get the more you want. Just remember how ecstatic you were the first you got the GTS 991 and upgraded from the 997/6
I bought my 2016 GTS 4 months ago, knowing full well that the 911 1.2 turbo models were coming out. My friend, you can't beat the naturally aspirated 3.8 engines in so many ways. They're cutting the engine size by almost (3.0 engines) 20 percent! Thus making the smaller engine with turbo work a lot harder. I strongly believe that the (Naturally apirated) GTS will be a future collector's car! SPEED AND TORQUE does not necessarily mean more enjoyable driving. I'd keep your car and in 5 to 10 years add another one to your collection. Stay strong and safe.
Since I've driven manual transmission cars all of my life (72), I've been very conflicted about ordering the PDK for new 2017 Carrera........which is now on order with a mid-July delivery. However, after watching this video and listening to the changes as you drove the back roads, I'm now absolutely convinced I will come to love it in a very short period of time. Thanks for a fabulous video.......I really love your channel and look forward to your new ones.
I hope you like the PDK. I assume you have test driven both versions, the manual and the PDK? The PDK is amazing but the manual is very involving and well made. There is no wrong choice here. Go with what will make you happy. I made the choice to go with the fastest set up and I am happy with it. In the future, could I see myself going back to a manual, sure, I could see that. But I am enjoying the PDK and have been for my two years of ownership.
Joe Hutchinson Thanks for your feedback. Yes, I did drive a 2017 PDK model. However, I cancelled my original order and reordered it two weeks later with a manual trans. I've been driving Porsches for a very long time and I just can't get myself to drive the PDK unit, as good as it is. Due to when I reordered the car, it will now be a 2018 Carrera with delivery in August. I was lucky enough to secure the very first 2018 Carrera base model allocation that my dealer got from Porsche.......April allocation with August delivery. Normally, it would be delivered in July, but the factory closes for the entire month of July. I've configured my new 911 in a way I know I'll love It! P.S. I just sold my 2016 Cayman and will be Porsche-less until August! Keep up the great work on your channel........I love it.
That makes total sense. You have to go with what will make you happy. Are there times when I regret getting the PDK? Well, "regret" may be too strong of a word, but there are times that I miss rowing the gears myself. So I understand your choice totally. No Porsche throughout the summer months? That would be tough for me. But you are going to be rewarded in August with a fantastic car. You'll savor it when it arrives!
I agree with you, the lush green is great up here. And when the fall comes, lots of brilliant color as the leaves change. A bit gray in the winter though, but fantastic otherwise.
My suggestion is you should keep your GTS, which clearly I think you have. :) For one, I think the GTS will hold its value for a lot longer than any Carrera S model. There are less produced and they come with a beautiful collection of options. Yours is a perfect example, it's gorgeous. For two, I love the idea of the improved torque and power but not the split second delay for the turbo to kick in. For another... the sound of you exhaust system in this video is to DIE FOR. The growl, the spitting and crackling. I could listen to it all day. Haha. :)
Hi Joe, great Vid from the GTS ! I owned a 991 GTS Coupé from March 2016. i was invited in December 2015 for the prensetation of 991.2 and my Salesmanager from porsche told me the 991.2 have no Emotion s. I testdrive the New 991.2 the M4 , AMG GTS, Nissan GTR and finally i buy the 991 GTS. I loved this Carl because i Drive it through the Mountain s i am happy about Every curve i drive!! This is for me the best 911 i ever drive. the prices for used GTS very high you can buy only 21 Coupé GTS and beginning about 120000€. sorry for my Bad english. Best regards Karl
Joe, nice detailed review. However, it is hard to take you thinking of your 2015 as "dated". Porsche has been around since the 1950's. As an owner of Porsche's from every decade (I still have a 1960 Super 90 coupe and 1963 Super) think about the car as a single entity that comes together to be a Porsche. Enjoy your amazing GTS and remember it is designed to handle driving way above the skill levels of most of us.
Wow. But you know what, that car sounds like a lawn mower. Not a great exhaust sound. But the car is really moving and looks nice and settled on track.
If you had a Carrera S I would say upgrade but as you have probably the most perfect 911 that's been made in a long time I'm inclined to tell you to keep it.
Just this morning as I was waiting at the stop light a gts 991, pulled up, the sound alone made my neck snap. GTS all the way , you want more torque you can squeeze that out of the engine with modifications.
Enjoy all your GTS video's. I have 2015 GTS, manual, ceramic, aerokit, yellow and LOVE it. I'm putting a AWE exhaust on it next month for even louder sound, I can't get enough of the 3.8L roar and love downshifting! I'm planning a lot of track time this summer, should be amazing. Only issue I've had with it so far is rear tires go bald after about 5k miles!
I love your videos. I just bought a new to me 2015 GTS 991.1 love it so far. considered a 991.2 but really wanted the NA motor. glad I went that route. Got a CPO with all new tires and unlimited mileage 2 year warranty. Pretty cool that Porsche will CPO an 8 year old vehicle. Shows you that they have confidence in their machines.
It might be a great time to consider a trade in. Residuals for 991.1 GTS are very strong in the UK even the 997.2 GTS is worth some serious cash. Having driven the new 991.2 C4S I would be very tempted with more torque lower down which means no more hitting a 5k rpm to get it to surge like it does in the new one. The 991.1 GTS will remain a sought after car for some time though! Great choice to have! :)
Id keep the GTS. The money you' lose on sellng the GTS to buy a new 991.2 Carrera S would not be money well spent in my opinion for the extremely modest improvements you'd acquire -- and in some sense perhaps they are not improvements at all. There's nothing your car is really lacking, plus you have the NA 6-cylinder, Turbo fenders, HP boost, etc. The only thing the new car has is a bit better torque but we are splitting hairs. And Im not fond of the double-pipe sport exhaust -- I prefer the quad setup. How fast do you really need to go to convince yourself you can wrap yourself around a telephone pole and never feel it. Unless you track the car, I doubt you'd notice much difference taking the blind Pepsi challenge. Nice video I enjoy following your budding channel. Im in the same boat.
***** I saw a TH-cam video that claimed to show a 991.2 GTS testing on the Nurbugring and it sounded like a lawn mower. Exhaust note sounded terrible. If that is the case, I am definitely keeping the 991.1 GTS.
Joe: Others have stated you need to drive the car. This is true. I'm glad to see others with ownership experience chime in. There are too many people who have not even driven the cars out there rendering their opinion. I just drove, back to back within 30 minutes, a 991.1 Carerra S and a 991.2 Base Carerra. Both were PDK and had PSE. I will tell you that in real world driving, the .2 base Carerra is near as fast as the .1s. Also, the newer car feels far more polished than the older one. The chassis seems to flow more smoothly, the steering is more feel some. It feels more GT like. The new engine is not short on power, and it does like to rev. The sound is nowhere near the .1 cars. Even in sport, it struggles to be as loud as the .1 cars in non-Sport mode. I think this is down mostly to the sound symposer that the .1 cars have, which bring intake honk into the cabin. The turbos, naturally, don't have this. The car still sounds good, but not nearly as dramatic.
Thanks for your comments. I really love my GTS, but as I said in my video, I haven't experienced a drive in the 991.2 myself so I wanted to hear what people thought. Especially those who have driven the .2 because I want to know their impressions of the new car. I am quite sure the .2 is a fantastic drive. As the 911 evolves, it will always be improved. I remain quite happy with the GTS though.
+Joe Hutchinson GTS is a great car. Hopefully I did not give you the impression to the contrary. The 991.2 is definitely an upgrade in some areas, but not without some cost. The 997 to 991 was (naturally) a bigger jump. Personally, I think I would stick with the GTS for a long time. The turbo engines are here to stay and you will have plenty of opportunity to own one in the future.
Do not get the turbo motor. It's so much less emotional than the naturally aspirated GTS. You're NUTS to switch cars. The 991.1 will also appreciate over the years.
Keep the GTS, it has the best of the last gen N/A engines. That's why I bought a 981, the N/A flat 6 is a dream. Also, the N/A cars will hold their value better than the turbo models.
I have the new 991.2 and love it. wait and get the new GTS. Sound will not quite be the same but this new version is amazing and so responsive. Either way, these are amazing problems to have ;)
Thanks for your video Joe, Always it´s a pleasure watch that beauty on the road. About changing the car, I won´t do it. You have the last gen of a naturally aspirated engine in its GTS version so it´s a part of the porsche history. Porsche will do more modern and faster cars (and with new media features too) but they won´t be the same. At the end we are talking about sensations and feelings driving a machine. In any case, if you want to know the answer please aks yourself this: Why didn´t you buy the 991.1 Turbo instead of the GTS? If it was because the money, then you can have the oportunity now with the new 991.2 GTS. If it was because sensations, keep the 991.1 GTS. Whatever you do, I´ll wait for more videos. Cheers.
Thanks so much for watching. To answer your question, the aural sounds and sensations of the GTS are amazing. I supposed I could have purchased a pre-owned turbo, honestly I couldn't afford a new one, but the GTS really impressed me. Sure a pre-owned recent year Turbo would blow the GTS into the weeds. The Turbo is amazing. But I chose the GTS because it has a unique combination of elements that make it such a joy to drive and one of those elements is the naturally aspirated engine. I think it's a keeper really.
Joe, considering that naturally aspirated engines are becoming a thing of the past, I would probably hold on to the GTS. Just my opinion, but I imagine your vehicle will maintain it's value better over time than the new turbos. I'm not impressed with the smaller engine block coupled with the twin turbos necessary to regain lost HP. It's my belief that Porsche wouldn't be going that route had it not been for the new government standards they are under pressure to meet. Having said that, I love the slight modifications Porsche made to the new models. Tough decision... good luck!! PS... the sound of your GTS is music to any enthusiast's ears.
I have a 2015 Carrera 4 GTS same color as yours and by reading the comments below, I hope everyone is right about a naturally aspirated engine holding it's value or even appreciate and could become a collector. The dealer did feel the same at time of purchase. My last car was the 2014 Carrera S and the GTS, there is a big diffrents between the two. I always liked the GT3 but I'm finding it so nice to have at extra room in the back. Now after watching and reading, I'm even more pleased with my decision, just wished I ordered a couple more options.
+Graham Herriott I hope people are right that this will be a collector car. I am enjoying it either way. It appears that you are enjoying yours too. What options did you wish you had ordered?
Hi Joe, I did not think I would miss keyless entry that much and I should ordered back-up warning for those low concrete parking -curbs. Can easily manage without but would be nice to have. if there is a next time , i'll definitely get the new front suspension lifter for speed bumps and ramps. Enjoy your video's, keep then coming.
I would stick with what you have or if you have the budget look at a gt3 or gtr-rs but stick to a non turbo especially to get some great back road driving fun.
The 991.2 is FAST! The new GTS will be a zero to 60 in 3.5 sec car. This new version S is faster than the current GTS. I have the 991S with all the add on's like PDK and Sport Crono. Its a great car but is not giving me as much power down low as I'd like. Much of this debate has to do with where you live. City drivers will enjoy the power that the new cars give you at the lower end. Alcantara is not something you want in the long run. Leather is still something you can clean vs Alcantara that shows dirt and can leave you with a stain you won't get with leather. To be fair if you wait for the new GTS it means you are buying the last 991 car which Porsche will be rolling out. This means no matter how great it is you are the last man standing when the next gen comes out. If $ is not an issue and you can jump into the next gen 911S when it comes out then I agree wait for the GTS. You are paying more for the new S so those extras from the GTS are not free!
Joe, I watched your video for the sake of deciding to buy a 991.1 used car or a 991.2. Your video review is excellent. Your commentary is so clear. Enjoyed watching it with you voicing your opinion. After I watched the video, really there is little point in chasing after the new model as this could be perpetual.... Thanks Mike
Look, everyone who has ever bought a Porsche thinks their Model is "THE" car. I think your review is extremely biased based off of spec and the "naturally aspirated" without having driven it. The 991.2 has almost the exact same track time as the GT3s. My family has owned 911s for over 20 years (myself starting with a 997 S) including the Unicorn RS to Turbos to oldtimer 912s. Personally I think the GTS is a waste of money, why not step up to the GT3s, but that's my opinion only. Secondly, what you forget to mention is that naturally aspirated will cease to exist in the 2017 models and thereafter, why? Emission standards along with fuel efficiency. That's where porsche and every other automaker (ferrari also) is going and the only way there is through Turbos and after that Gen, Hybrids. I've driven them all and each generation has it's plus and negatives but what makes "Porsch-E" is the overall package not the sound, since the majority sound like a lawnmower anyways and aren't remotely comparable to the Italian cars. I think "asset appreciation" is only applicable to the 997 Gen and older, not the 991s. Since this model will drop again when the next gen comes out in 2020 (like every model ever built) your only chance is older models and guess what, no Porsche guarantee for cars over 10 years so you will BLEED in repairs for those. Sure a 993 Turbo appreciated but you also have roughly 10k per year you have to put into it. So that leads us to what do you want, do you want the latest and safest car or do you want something to cruise with. I live in Germany so I want something that is "fairly" safe at 300 k/m and I can tell you the 997s and older cars aren't. But I know in the U.S you guys LOVE the 0-60 figures and the only time you ever get any "sound" is when you're on your interstate doing 70 mph flat cross country but for the rest of us we see the 991.2 as a natural evolution in a long history of evolutions dating back to the 356s (also owned one). Too many Porsche (phonetically spoken "Porscheh") face inferiority complexes, this coming from someone who skipped buying the 991 GT3 to get the 991.2
Thanks for watching and I appreciate your comment and your experience with Porsche cars throughout the years. I am very happy with my car so yes, I think it is THE car. It's just my opinion. Everyone is different and has different preferences. I have no desire to change from the GTS. I am a happy customer. Even though the new turbo Carrera S just about matches my GTS in performance. And the 991.2 GTS will surely trounce my N/A GTS. Like you said, it's evolution. Still, I like the aural experience of my car and am very satisfied. Part of the reason why I didn't get a GT3 is that I will most likely never be able to exploit the true performance on that car. You can't on public roads and that's where I spend most of my time. I want to keep my drivers license and stay out of jail. If I owned a GT3 I would be looking for every opportunity to track that car but that doesn't fit my schedule now, unfortunately. The GT3 truly is amazing. And sure, the 991.2 are great cars too, no doubt about it. I just don't want one. In the age of many cars switching to turbos, I like the now unique experience the N/A power delivery gives me. And you are totally right, a Porsche is much more than just the engine. It is the overall driving experience and handling. When I had a Boxster S for 11 years, there were many cars that were faster from 0-60 that cost less, but I preferred the mid-engined Boxster because the handling on canyon roads was just truly amazing. I also enjoyed my 997.2 C2S. Amazing fun. So I agree, a Porsches are well rounded, well engineered vehicles. I'll have fun with mine and I hope you have fun with yours. Cheers!
I think you should keep the 991.1 gts and when the 991.2 gts comes out make a decision , the mk2 gtss will apear at 2018(some people say) the 991.1 gts is perfect but lets wait to the new with the turbo
Joe. if you are considering a new car, i don't think 991.2 carrera s would feel like an upgrade to you at all. Yes the performance is a little enhanced, the stats are, but not significant enough to swap. Also you will no longer hear that NA howl. If u r swapping to a turbo or turbo s, thats a different story; however, if you are swapping a GTS to a S model, u gotta think twice.
Joe I think you would be disappointed with any new 911 that did not have the wide-body look of your current GTS. So you would have to spend the extra money for another GTS, or get a four wheel drive model 911.
Hi Joe, I have been having the same question myself recently, as you know I also own the 991.1 4 GTS and I was thinking of changing out to the new model. I agree with some of the other comments that our model will be a future classic and one to hold on to. I have driven the new 991.2 S in a Targa and Cab model and the new 718 S Boxster and the engine is good, really good. The power is delivered as you mention much lower down in the rev range making it an easier engine to drive but in my opinion taking away from the experience of the driver and the car feeling as one and working together. The new infotainment is better in the 991.2 and I really like the slightly smaller GT steering wheel. We are however part-exchanging my wife's Boxster 981 GTS for the new 991.2 Turbo Coupe and this should be arriving in November this year so I will have the best of both worlds really. I will send you over some photos when it arrives. Keep up the great videos....!
Joe Hutchinson well, I looked again and it seems to have disappeared from the German site and it's not on the US one either. I know they offered something similar for the 991.1 generation.
I have a 991 Carrera S 2014 No way in hell! Keep the GTS The naturally aspirated engines are going to be like the legendary air cooled engines Priceless The 991.2 is full of gimmicks like boost button, rear wheel steering, etc. they had to throw that stuff in to lure people to buy it
Keep your car, the new ones sound like crap, same goes with the Caymans. That's why I'm going with a 981 Cayman S vs the 718 Caymsn S. The new ones sound like Subaru's. I'll be getting a proper manual transmission for more fun and driver involvement.
No, I wouldn't say the GTS is overkill. When I bought the 991.1 GTS I knew a 991.2 Carrera was on it's way. A buddy of mine, back then skeptically asked, why but the GTS now knowing that the new 991.2 is on it's way? Now that the new car is here and some people out there have driven it, I wanted to discuss it's merits vs the GTS I already have. As it turns out, I don't have any intention of trading in my GTS. It is not overkill. I agree with many of the comments here that the GTS is a keeper.
Porsche need to re-introduce the N/A engines. Maybe they can make some electric cars so the emissions targets can still be hit for their fleet? At least then have a few N/A engines.
Joe, how did you get the leather steering wheel? Were you able to spec the Alcantara GTS Interior Package and still specify a leather wheel? I'm getting my GTS in a week or so and it has the GTS Package with Alcantara. I'm not looking forward this fake suede material but I have never really owned a car with Alcantara. How is it holding up? I was considering getting new 991.2 wheel! Thanks
The car I purchased was already on the showroom floor. So the dealer specc'ed it with GTS package and leather steering wheel. Usually the GTS package comes with the Alcantara wheel, as you mentioned. I have had the car since February of 2015 and have driven about 9,300 miles and the Alcantara on the seats still looks like new. (Seats get more wear than a headliner or other areas covered with Alcantara in my car) I like the leather wheel perhaps in part because I the same wheel in my previous 997.2 Carrera S. So I was fine with the leather wheel in the GTS. And I figure the leather material will last longer and show less dirt from the natural oils from my hands. But I have a feeling that the Alcantara material would feel really good in the hands.
Personally, I'm extremely excited about Porsche's new turbo engines. The sound is the only complaint I've ever heard in any review concerning any of the new engines and, personally, sound just isn't as important to me as it seems to be to some others. Don't get me wrong, I do love a nice engine note, but these new engines do still sound awesome to my ear. In any case, sound is never going to be a deal breaker for me, as long as all the performance aspects of the car are there...and they clearly are in these new applications. All that said, the most important point to me about the new engines is that the lacking torque curve of the naturally aspirated mils has finally been addressed in the new engines, while still providing the same high rev-ability of the old ones...the best of both worlds. The Cayman and Carerra are both better performers now and, to my mind, no rational person would rule the car out due only to its sound.
You are totally right. Engine sound/exhaust sound is not a deal breaker. Not at all. The new cars are clearly better performers. I think what I was trying to say is that improved performance isn't always the be all, end all either. There are other things that can come in to play that make your drive enjoyable. Sound is one of those things. Linear power delivery is another. Some people prefer the hydraulic steering of the 997 and earlier generation 911s and that steering feel is an important part of their experience with the car. So yes, you are so right, the sound isn't a deal breaker at all. I guess I am satisfied with the combination of elements that make up my generation of 911. So far.
I'm just a little sensitive to all the criticism of the new turbo engines haha, but yours is an amazing car, Joe. I certainly would never suggest that it's inadequate in any way. In fact, it's likely the very car I'll be searching for on the used market in a few years. Personally, I love the old and the new equally.
+Joe Hutchinson thanks for the video! Do you happen to know what years the gts was made? Looks like 2011, 2013 then jumps to 2015 and I do not see a gts option on the porsche website. Thanks in advance!
I believe you are correct that the GTS was built in 2011 and 2012 and then in 2015 and 2016. It was first introduced in 2011 with the 997.2 version. The 991.1 version in 2015/2016, of course. For 2017, Porsche has moved on to the 991.2 update for the Carrera and they haven't offered a GTS version of that yet. That's why it isn't on their site. I assume that in the near future there will be a 991.2 version for the GTS.
Interesting. They were making a 997 in 2012 for the GTS while at the same time making a 2012 991. Good news for you is you have a pretty rare car, maybe not now but if they go turbo in the gts you'll have the last non turbo gts. Could be a keeper.
Drove the new 4s the other day, feels so different, and to me weaker, somewhat meh, IMO. My daily is the old natty flat 6 though. But hey, there will probably be more available overboost/tuning options for those who purchase them. I would like to see a hybrid 911 4s, with an electric front and a flat 6 in the back. It I wonder why Porsche doesn't utilize jewels of the 918 engineering other than the headlights or the sport dial on the wheel...
Great video sir. If I were you, I would keep the 991.1 GTS - unless you could find & afford the 911R. Not just the aural drama, the responsiveness of the naturally aspirated engine cannot be fully achieved by a turbocharged engine UNLESS Porsche use a similar hybrid technology used in Mclaren's P1 and BMW's i8 (known as torque-fill I believe). I highly doubt Porsche will ever produce a 911 with a naturally aspirated engine unless its a GT3. Car youtubers including Chris Harris and TheGetawayer (Guido the German Porsche fan) did not like the turbo transition of the 991. I totally get what you mean by 'revving the engine to its limit' being more involving+thrilling than using torque from lower revs. Has Nick Murray (the TH-camr that had a lemon 991) seen any of your videos? He's based in Connecticut and he's thinking of buying the 991.2 soon. It would be great if you guys can collab :)
I am not sure if Nick Murray has seen my videos. But I enjoy watching his. He does a really good job. Thanks for watching mine and offering your thoughts. I think you are right, the days of naturally aspirated Porsches is probably over, unless they are hard-to-get special editions.
Your actual car will raise in price later on. Last NA 911 and than one Model under the GT3? So when you dont need to sell it, keep it. Its an investment.
Only watched 1 min into your vid but still listening. From what I've seen and felt driving your generation GTS I would keep it. It's already held it's value. In the end of the day the 911 s is still just a Carrera S. It will devalue so fast. I will keep its initial value for a while but again it's nothing really special. The GTS is a TRUE Carrera, the noise and it's NOT A TURBO. It looks absolutely beautiful. Do some performance mods like exhaust, injectors, different intake and other little things. I think it's possible to get 470 out of it
Nobody knows which car is right for you. Only you, by definition, can know this. And you don't know! So maybe what you should do is make a video on the futility of asking TH-camrs what you should do. Case in point!
Joe Hutchinson I like how you have the black grilles on the back of yours - it was one of the design features I like most about the new ones. I am glad that the new ones from all accounts have done the best they can with a turbo and are pretty good. But from a money perspective the depreciation pressure will be less on the GTS if you can hold it for 10+ years.
Totally right. When I made that video, dealers didn't have 991.2 cars to drive. But time has passed and now they definitely do. I will likely do a test drive just to experience the new car firsthand.
I bought a Spyder for a reason. Turbo cars are fine for the city but on the track and an open twisty road - the feeling of a NA can't be beat. And the sound!
Hi from Germany, i Drive Porsche 911 since 20 Years and i owned a 991 GTS Coupé from March 2016 , for me best 911 ever, my porsche Salesmanager say, this GTS have Emotion but the New 991.2 Turbo hasn t It. I Try a Lot before, M3 , AMG GTS and Nissan GTR but Last i Bus the 991 GTS. In Germany the prices of used GTS in the moment are high and the GTS are rare.to find... I find 20 ...Price start around 120000 € .....
Sorry for my Bad english writting. best regards Karl
Hi Joe, thank you for your amazing reviews on the 2015 GTS. This contributed to decide me to get this car. Actually I have a 2015 GTS, same color as you but 4 wheel drive. I'm so happy with it. The story of downsizing the motor is because of the anti-pollution regulation in Europe. That was the only way to keep performance at a highest level without consuming more fuel. I've not yet tried the new turbo 911 but I have a couple of friends that told me that the experience of driving was not as good as the GTS : it's fast but you can't really feel it. So I think that we own the last 911 with a naturally aspirated engine. The next coming GTS, 2017 model, will also receive a turbo. We should keep our car and take care of it, that may be a future collector as the old 993 which was the last one with air cooling and that is now hard to find in the market or very expansive. Please continue to publish so nice videos about this fantastic car. That will be very interesting when you publish in the future a video comparing the 2015 GTS and the 2017 GTS.
I really enjoy the GTS as I hope you could tell from the video. And I think I will enjoy it for many years to come. And I do think it is a future collector. When I purchased it, I knew the turbo Carrera's were in the works and some friends would ask, shouldn't you wait for the latest and greatest? So now that turbo Carreras are out, I wanted to see what people thought.
Thanks for sharing that video. I took a look at that video and I agree with that guy.
Maxime V b
I think you should definitely keep it. This is a future classic. The whole auto industry is going electric with the turbocharged versions being just an intermediary step towards full electric vehicles. This however is one of the last great NA 911s, not to mention the spec and the sound is soo nice.
KEEP THE GTS!! The sound and response will always be better. Not to mention I believe the N/A cars will continue to hold value, maybe even appreciate eventually
They will
991.1 GTS with manual will hold it value but we wont find out for at least 10 to 15 yrs
Hey Joe,
I'm 24 and I consider myself a future Porsche 911 owner - though I've got some time to cook since this opportunity is a few years away. But I'll certainly have to make this particular choice at some point, whether to go NA or Forced and of course new or used....
I think my preference is NA, but that aside - I'd say keep your GTS and any NA Porsche car for that matter as its a landmark.
Porsche by regulated force somewhat did owners a backdated favor of older NA cars in that this is again a landmark change...we know Porsche people and owners will uphold this preference and favor by the increased value of finite cars. Gennerally Porsche people are quite traditional people in nature (myself included) in what makes a great drivers experience.
The movement of the 911 to turbocharging is mostly because of stricter regulation standards and second to keep up with evolutionary performance after reaching what I feel is the pinnacle of NA (including the GTS, R, GT3 and RS, etc.) in varying flavors. Your GTS may become the most modern NA pinnacle of the Carrera.
I should say, I'd still gladly take a 991.2, though it's heavier and doesn't sound as good...and that's a big deal to me...as a musician with an ear...I think I hear the difference in videos.
The NA sounds on overrun sound fantastic are natural (for obvious reasons). The 991.2 sounds "clinical" and is engineered. The .1 burble is unique in pattern and does not repeat. The .2 because of the Turbo repeats the same burble pattern because it's engineered and it really drives me nuts...automann video of his experience really points out what I mean compared to your GTS Joe. It's spontaneous vs predictable and sound for me as a musician is huge. Just like the F80 to E90...these issues are painful.
There is something really special about your specific car, from the blacked out exterior to the blacked out dash board, the sound is like going to heaven and back.
Thanks so much. And I love that naturally aspirated 6 in mine. Love it!
Keep the GTS. Once you get the 991.2 and had it for a few years, your going to want to upgrade again, and again and again. The more you get the more you want. Just remember how ecstatic you were the first you got the GTS 991 and upgraded from the 997/6
I bought my 2016 GTS 4 months ago, knowing full well that the 911 1.2 turbo models were coming out. My friend, you can't beat the naturally aspirated 3.8 engines in so many ways. They're cutting the engine size by almost (3.0 engines) 20 percent! Thus making the smaller engine with turbo work a lot harder. I strongly believe that the (Naturally apirated) GTS will be a future collector's car! SPEED AND TORQUE does not necessarily mean more enjoyable driving. I'd keep your car and in 5 to 10 years add another one to your collection.
Stay strong and safe.
absolutely not. don't trade it in. maybe next generation, but that gts is one of the all time great 911s
Since I've driven manual transmission cars all of my life (72), I've been very conflicted about ordering the PDK for new 2017 Carrera........which is now on order with a mid-July delivery. However, after watching this video and listening to the changes as you drove the back roads, I'm now absolutely convinced I will come to love it in a very short period of time. Thanks for a fabulous video.......I really love your channel and look forward to your new ones.
I hope you like the PDK. I assume you have test driven both versions, the manual and the PDK? The PDK is amazing but the manual is very involving and well made. There is no wrong choice here. Go with what will make you happy. I made the choice to go with the fastest set up and I am happy with it. In the future, could I see myself going back to a manual, sure, I could see that. But I am enjoying the PDK and have been for my two years of ownership.
Joe Hutchinson Thanks for your feedback. Yes, I did drive a 2017 PDK model. However, I cancelled my original order and reordered it two weeks later with a manual trans. I've been driving Porsches for a very long time and I just can't get myself to drive the PDK unit, as good as it is. Due to when I reordered the car, it will now be a 2018 Carrera with delivery in August. I was lucky enough to secure the very first 2018 Carrera base model allocation that my dealer got from Porsche.......April allocation with August delivery. Normally, it would be delivered in July, but the factory closes for the entire month of July. I've configured my new 911 in a way I know I'll love It! P.S. I just sold my 2016 Cayman and will be Porsche-less until August! Keep up the great work on your channel........I love it.
That makes total sense. You have to go with what will make you happy. Are
there times when I regret getting the PDK? Well, "regret" may be too strong
of a word, but there are times that I miss rowing the gears myself. So I
understand your choice totally.
No Porsche throughout the summer months? That would be tough for me. But
you are going to be rewarded in August with a fantastic car. You'll savor
it when it arrives!
from someone that moved from up north to down south, have to say just seeing all the green and lushness of the north really makes me nostalgic.
I agree with you, the lush green is great up here. And when the fall comes, lots of brilliant color as the leaves change. A bit gray in the winter though, but fantastic otherwise.
My suggestion is you should keep your GTS, which clearly I think you have. :) For one, I think the GTS will hold its value for a lot longer than any Carrera S model. There are less produced and they come with a beautiful collection of options. Yours is a perfect example, it's gorgeous. For two, I love the idea of the improved torque and power but not the split second delay for the turbo to kick in. For another... the sound of you exhaust system in this video is to DIE FOR. The growl, the spitting and crackling. I could listen to it all day. Haha. :)
Hi Joe, great Vid from the GTS ! I owned a 991 GTS Coupé from March 2016. i was invited in December 2015 for the prensetation of 991.2 and my Salesmanager from porsche told me the 991.2 have no Emotion s. I testdrive the New 991.2 the M4 , AMG GTS, Nissan GTR and finally i buy the 991 GTS. I loved this Carl because i Drive it through the Mountain s i am happy about Every curve i drive!! This is for me the best 911 i ever drive. the prices for used GTS very high you can buy only 21 Coupé GTS and beginning about 120000€. sorry for my Bad english.
Best regards Karl
Joe, nice detailed review. However, it is hard to take you thinking of your 2015 as "dated". Porsche has been around since the 1950's. As an owner of Porsche's from every decade (I still have a 1960 Super 90 coupe and 1963 Super) think about the car as a single entity that comes together to be a Porsche. Enjoy your amazing GTS and remember it is designed to handle driving way above the skill levels of most of us.
You'd be insane to trade the GTS for a 991.2.
Joe, I really like the naturally aspirated engine in your car. 2015 GTS is a keeper In my humble opinion.
Just wait for the new GTS and test it back and forth. They are coming soon. Prototyps are almost undesquised and they sound amazing!
BTW: PASM was standard on the S, but not on the normal Carrera.
I didn't realize that. Ooops.
Wow. But you know what, that car sounds like a lawn mower. Not a great exhaust sound. But the car is really moving and looks nice and settled on track.
+Joe Hutchinson
keep your car it sounds amazing.
your gts will be far more valuable as the last N/A gts then upgrading to the turbo model.
If you had a Carrera S I would say upgrade but as you have probably the most perfect 911 that's been made in a long time I'm inclined to tell you to keep it.
3:50 you're in Nyack on the 59 !!!!!! My hometown
Just this morning as I was waiting at the stop light a gts 991, pulled up, the sound alone made my neck snap. GTS all the way , you want more torque you can squeeze that out of the engine with modifications.
Enjoy all your GTS video's. I have 2015 GTS, manual, ceramic, aerokit, yellow and LOVE it. I'm putting a AWE exhaust on it next month for even louder sound, I can't get enough of the 3.8L roar and love downshifting! I'm planning a lot of track time this summer, should be amazing. Only issue I've had with it so far is rear tires go bald after about 5k miles!
What a great review . thanks for taking the time to do such a fine job
I love your videos. I just bought a new to me 2015 GTS 991.1 love it so far. considered a 991.2 but really wanted the NA motor. glad I went that route. Got a CPO with all new tires and unlimited mileage 2 year warranty. Pretty cool that Porsche will CPO an 8 year old vehicle. Shows you that they have confidence in their machines.
Right on and good choice!!!! Keep me posted as you put on the miles!
keep the GTS. you dont need the extra performance and you get the bonus of having the best and last NA, non GT, Carrera
As soon as you said you’ve never driven a 991 Turbo, I moved on to another review!
You have one of the most beautiful 911s I have ever seen...the grass is not always greener on the other side. Enjoy what you have!
Excellent point!
It might be a great time to consider a trade in. Residuals for 991.1 GTS are very strong in the UK even the 997.2 GTS is worth some serious cash. Having driven the new 991.2 C4S I would be very tempted with more torque lower down which means no more hitting a 5k rpm to get it to surge like it does in the new one. The 991.1 GTS will remain a sought after car for some time though! Great choice to have! :)
Id keep the GTS. The money you' lose on sellng the GTS to buy a new 991.2 Carrera S would not be money well spent in my opinion for the extremely modest improvements you'd acquire -- and in some sense perhaps they are not improvements at all. There's nothing your car is really lacking, plus you have the NA 6-cylinder, Turbo fenders, HP boost, etc. The only thing the new car has is a bit better torque but we are splitting hairs. And Im not fond of the double-pipe sport exhaust -- I prefer the quad setup. How fast do you really need to go to convince yourself you can wrap yourself around a telephone pole and never feel it. Unless you track the car, I doubt you'd notice much difference taking the blind Pepsi challenge. Nice video I enjoy following your budding channel. Im in the same boat.
Really good points made here.
***** I saw a TH-cam video that claimed to show a 991.2 GTS testing on the Nurbugring and it sounded like a lawn mower. Exhaust note sounded terrible. If that is the case, I am definitely keeping the 991.1 GTS.
Joe:
Others have stated you need to drive the car. This is true. I'm glad to see others with ownership experience chime in. There are too many people who have not even driven the cars out there rendering their opinion.
I just drove, back to back within 30 minutes, a 991.1 Carerra S and a 991.2 Base Carerra. Both were PDK and had PSE. I will tell you that in real world driving, the .2 base Carerra is near as fast as the .1s. Also, the newer car feels far more polished than the older one. The chassis seems to flow more smoothly, the steering is more feel some. It feels more GT like. The new engine is not short on power, and it does like to rev.
The sound is nowhere near the .1 cars. Even in sport, it struggles to be as loud as the .1 cars in non-Sport mode. I think this is down mostly to the sound symposer that the .1 cars have, which bring intake honk into the cabin. The turbos, naturally, don't have this. The car still sounds good, but not nearly as dramatic.
Thanks for your comments. I really love my GTS, but as I said in my video, I haven't experienced a drive in the 991.2 myself so I wanted to hear what people thought. Especially those who have driven the .2 because I want to know their impressions of the new car. I am quite sure the .2 is a fantastic drive. As the 911 evolves, it will always be improved. I remain quite happy with the GTS though.
+Joe Hutchinson GTS is a great car. Hopefully I did not give you the impression to the contrary. The 991.2 is definitely an upgrade in some areas, but not without some cost. The 997 to 991 was (naturally) a bigger jump.
Personally, I think I would stick with the GTS for a long time. The turbo engines are here to stay and you will have plenty of opportunity to own one in the future.
Do not get the turbo motor. It's so much less emotional than the naturally aspirated GTS. You're NUTS to switch cars. The 991.1 will also appreciate over the years.
Great video! I see and hear what you mean. The GTS is so engaging to drive: the sounds, the whole experience. Good observations in your video.
Joe Hutchinson I am glad you watched and enjoyed it. I hope you do the right thing, or give me your number and a great deal ;)
Really like the review joe i would keep the gts and wait for a couple of years and see what the new model is like
Very awesome video Joe!
If I were in your position weighing the 2 items. My choice would be to stay with the GTS :)
Wait for the next gen.
No discussion without you test driving the new one.
Keep the GTS, it has the best of the last gen N/A engines. That's why I bought a 981, the N/A flat 6 is a dream. Also, the N/A cars will hold their value better than the turbo models.
Keep your current gts!
I like your choice in color, agate grey looks so badass with black wheels and red calipers.
I like the glass panoramic sunroof.
I have the new 991.2 and love it. wait and get the new GTS. Sound will not quite be the same but this new version is amazing and so responsive. Either way, these are amazing problems to have ;)
Keep your GTS for another couple of years. Chances are its value will not decrease too much, being NA.
Cool road footage.
Thanks for your video Joe, Always it´s a pleasure watch that beauty on the road. About changing the car, I won´t do it. You have the last gen of a naturally aspirated engine in its GTS version so it´s a part of the porsche history. Porsche will do more modern and faster cars (and with new media features too) but they won´t be the same. At the end we are talking about sensations and feelings driving a machine.
In any case, if you want to know the answer please aks yourself this: Why didn´t you buy the 991.1 Turbo instead of the GTS? If it was because the money, then you can have the oportunity now with the new 991.2 GTS. If it was because sensations, keep the 991.1 GTS.
Whatever you do, I´ll wait for more videos.
Cheers.
Thanks so much for watching. To answer your question, the aural sounds and sensations of the GTS are amazing. I supposed I could have purchased a pre-owned turbo, honestly I couldn't afford a new one, but the GTS really impressed me. Sure a pre-owned recent year Turbo would blow the GTS into the weeds. The Turbo is amazing. But I chose the GTS because it has a unique combination of elements that make it such a joy to drive and one of those elements is the naturally aspirated engine. I think it's a keeper really.
Joe, considering that naturally aspirated engines are becoming a thing of the past, I would probably hold on to the GTS. Just my opinion, but I imagine your vehicle will maintain it's value better over time than the new turbos. I'm not impressed with the smaller engine block coupled with the twin turbos necessary to regain lost HP. It's my belief that Porsche wouldn't be going that route had it not been for the new government standards they are under pressure to meet. Having said that, I love the slight modifications Porsche made to the new models. Tough decision... good luck!! PS... the sound of your GTS is music to any enthusiast's ears.
I have a 2015 Carrera 4 GTS same color as yours and by reading the comments below, I hope everyone is right about a naturally aspirated engine holding it's value or even appreciate and could become a collector. The dealer did feel the same at time of purchase. My last car was the 2014 Carrera S and the GTS, there is a big diffrents between the two. I always liked the GT3 but I'm finding it so nice to have at extra room in the back. Now after watching and reading, I'm even more pleased with my decision, just wished I ordered a couple more options.
+Graham Herriott I hope people are right that this will be a collector car. I am enjoying it either way. It appears that you are enjoying yours too. What options did you wish you had ordered?
Hi Joe, I did not think I would miss keyless entry that much and I should ordered back-up warning for those low concrete parking -curbs. Can easily manage without but would be nice to have. if there is a next time , i'll definitely get the new front suspension lifter for speed bumps and ramps. Enjoy your video's, keep then coming.
i dont think you should sell your GTS
Keep yours!
I would stick with what you have or if you have the budget look at a gt3 or gtr-rs but stick to a non turbo especially to get some great back road driving fun.
Keep it!
Wait for the new GTS, then it's up to you if you keep your 991.1 or get a 991.2
I would keep your GTS. When you'll want to sell you will get more money because your car will be in demand.
The 991.2 is FAST! The new GTS will be a zero to 60 in 3.5 sec car. This new version S is faster than the current GTS.
I have the 991S with all the add on's like PDK and Sport Crono. Its a great car but is not giving me as much power down low as I'd like.
Much of this debate has to do with where you live. City drivers will enjoy the power that the new cars give you at the lower end.
Alcantara is not something you want in the long run. Leather is still something you can clean vs Alcantara that shows dirt and can leave you with a stain you won't get with leather.
To be fair if you wait for the new GTS it means you are buying the last 991 car which Porsche will be rolling out. This means no matter how great it is you are the last man standing when the next gen comes out. If $ is not an issue and you can jump into the next gen 911S when it comes out then I agree wait for the GTS.
You are paying more for the new S so those extras from the GTS are not free!
Owners of the old model always prefer theirs over the new model. Tale as old as time. 991.2 for me.
Joe, I watched your video for the sake of deciding to buy a 991.1 used car or a 991.2. Your video review is excellent. Your commentary is so clear. Enjoyed watching it with you voicing your opinion. After I watched the video, really there is little point in chasing after the new model as this could be perpetual.... Thanks Mike
Look, everyone who has ever bought a Porsche thinks their Model is "THE" car. I think your review is extremely biased based off of spec and the "naturally aspirated" without having driven it. The 991.2 has almost the exact same track time as the GT3s. My family has owned 911s for over 20 years (myself starting with a 997 S) including the Unicorn RS to Turbos to oldtimer 912s. Personally I think the GTS is a waste of money, why not step up to the GT3s, but that's my opinion only. Secondly, what you forget to mention is that naturally aspirated will cease to exist in the 2017 models and thereafter, why? Emission standards along with fuel efficiency. That's where porsche and every other automaker (ferrari also) is going and the only way there is through Turbos and after that Gen, Hybrids. I've driven them all and each generation has it's plus and negatives but what makes "Porsch-E" is the overall package not the sound, since the majority sound like a lawnmower anyways and aren't remotely comparable to the Italian cars. I think "asset appreciation" is only applicable to the 997 Gen and older, not the 991s. Since this model will drop again when the next gen comes out in 2020 (like every model ever built) your only chance is older models and guess what, no Porsche guarantee for cars over 10 years so you will BLEED in repairs for those. Sure a 993 Turbo appreciated but you also have roughly 10k per year you have to put into it. So that leads us to what do you want, do you want the latest and safest car or do you want something to cruise with. I live in Germany so I want something that is "fairly" safe at 300 k/m and I can tell you the 997s and older cars aren't. But I know in the U.S you guys LOVE the 0-60 figures and the only time you ever get any "sound" is when you're on your interstate doing 70 mph flat cross country but for the rest of us we see the 991.2 as a natural evolution in a long history of evolutions dating back to the 356s (also owned one).
Too many Porsche (phonetically spoken "Porscheh") face inferiority complexes, this coming from someone who skipped buying the 991 GT3 to get the 991.2
Thanks for watching and I appreciate your comment and your experience with Porsche cars throughout the years. I am very happy with my car so yes, I think it is THE car. It's just my opinion. Everyone is different and has different preferences. I have no desire to change from the GTS. I am a happy customer. Even though the new turbo Carrera S just about matches my GTS in performance. And the 991.2 GTS will surely trounce my N/A GTS. Like you said, it's evolution. Still, I like the aural experience of my car and am very satisfied. Part of the reason why I didn't get a GT3 is that I will most likely never be able to exploit the true performance on that car. You can't on public roads and that's where I spend most of my time. I want to keep my drivers license and stay out of jail. If I owned a GT3 I would be looking for every opportunity to track that car but that doesn't fit my schedule now, unfortunately. The GT3 truly is amazing. And sure, the 991.2 are great cars too, no doubt about it. I just don't want one. In the age of many cars switching to turbos, I like the now unique experience the N/A power delivery gives me. And you are totally right, a Porsche is much more than just the engine. It is the overall driving experience and handling. When I had a Boxster S for 11 years, there were many cars that were faster from 0-60 that cost less, but I preferred the mid-engined Boxster because the handling on canyon roads was just truly amazing. I also enjoyed my 997.2 C2S. Amazing fun. So I agree, a Porsches are well rounded, well engineered vehicles. I'll have fun with mine and I hope you have fun with yours. Cheers!
omg man,your car looks Amazing,with the black rims......its more beautiful then a carrera s turbo
Very enjoyable video. Thanks!
I think you should keep the 991.1 gts and when the 991.2 gts comes out make a decision , the mk2 gtss will apear at 2018(some people say) the 991.1 gts is perfect but lets wait to the new with the turbo
Obviously great choices to have, but for a daily driver I feel like the turbo would be a much more drive able car day in and day out.
why the light switch is in such a bad shape, like it was from a car 10yo and 170k miles?
The new car has its upsides but you would take a beating financially if you were to trade up now.
Joe. if you are considering a new car, i don't think 991.2 carrera s would feel like an upgrade to you at all. Yes the performance is a little enhanced, the stats are, but not significant enough to swap. Also you will no longer hear that NA howl.
If u r swapping to a turbo or turbo s, thats a different story; however, if you are swapping a GTS to a S model, u gotta think twice.
should i date a hot model or a super hot model? such a dilemma.
LOL!
Wow, best sounding Porsche I've heard thus far... Stock exhaust??
Yes, stock sports exhaust.
Hi Joe, Nice video!
Please do a test-drive with the new 991.2 S and bring us hereafter a real comparison video??
I'd like to do that. I'll see what I can do. I really want to drive the 991.2 S.
Joe I think you would be disappointed with any new 911 that did not have the wide-body look of your current GTS. So you would have to spend the extra money for another GTS, or get a four wheel drive model 911.
Just get s pre owned 991 gt3
Hi Joe, I have been having the same question myself recently, as you know I also own the 991.1 4 GTS and I was thinking of changing out to the new model. I agree with some of the other comments that our model will be a future classic and one to hold on to.
I have driven the new 991.2 S in a Targa and Cab model and the new 718 S Boxster and the engine is good, really good. The power is delivered as you mention much lower down in the rev range making it an easier engine to drive but in my opinion taking away from the experience of the driver and the car feeling as one and working together. The new infotainment is better in the 991.2 and I really like the slightly smaller GT steering wheel.
We are however part-exchanging my wife's Boxster 981 GTS for the new 991.2 Turbo Coupe and this should be arriving in November this year so I will have the best of both worlds really. I will send you over some photos when it arrives. Keep up the great videos....!
Not even a question until they release the manual transmission.
I like the roadkill at 11:00 🐀
So good!
Genuine, Thank you for making me feel very very close to that which I can only hope to
dream of.. :] Blessings from England.
Not even a consideration - keep your naturally aspirated GTS! Beautiful car that will rocket in value!
You can have a power kit for the 991.2's which ups the power to 450.
Wow. I hadn't done the research on that. Cool.
Joe Hutchinson at least it looks like it from what I understand from the German configurator
Joe Hutchinson well, I looked again and it seems to have disappeared from the German site and it's not on the US one either. I know they offered something similar for the 991.1 generation.
I have a 991 Carrera S 2014
No way in hell!
Keep the GTS
The naturally aspirated engines are going to be like the legendary air cooled engines
Priceless
The 991.2 is full of gimmicks like boost button, rear wheel steering, etc. they had to throw that stuff in to lure people to buy it
Keep it until new GTS come out!
Was that roadkill? At the beginning of the second driving clip.
I think it was an article of clothing.
Keep your NA GTS. I have the base 991.1 Carrera and went for a testdrive in the new car. The sound is just gone imo.
which road is that? Bear mountain?
Near there. Harriman State Park area.
keep what you have
Keep your car, the new ones sound like crap, same goes with the Caymans.
That's why I'm going with a 981 Cayman S vs the 718 Caymsn S.
The new ones sound like Subaru's.
I'll be getting a proper manual transmission for more fun and driver involvement.
What got you into thinking about that? Is the GTS "overkill" for daily driving? I'm just curious :D
No, I wouldn't say the GTS is overkill. When I bought the 991.1 GTS I knew a 991.2 Carrera was on it's way. A buddy of mine, back then skeptically asked, why but the GTS now knowing that the new 991.2 is on it's way? Now that the new car is here and some people out there have driven it, I wanted to discuss it's merits vs the GTS I already have. As it turns out, I don't have any intention of trading in my GTS. It is not overkill. I agree with many of the comments here that the GTS is a keeper.
Those supposed gts spy shots are just blacked out carrera S, porsche releases Gts at the end of each cycle
Porsche need to re-introduce the N/A engines. Maybe they can make some electric cars so the emissions targets can still be hit for their fleet? At least then have a few N/A engines.
Joe, how did you get the leather steering wheel? Were you able to spec the Alcantara GTS Interior Package and still specify a leather wheel? I'm getting my GTS in a week or so and it has the GTS Package with Alcantara. I'm not looking forward this fake suede material but I have never really owned a car with Alcantara. How is it holding up? I was considering getting new 991.2 wheel! Thanks
The car I purchased was already on the showroom floor. So the dealer specc'ed it with GTS package and leather steering wheel. Usually the GTS package comes with the Alcantara wheel, as you mentioned. I have had the car since February of 2015 and have driven about 9,300 miles and the Alcantara on the seats still looks like new. (Seats get more wear than a headliner or other areas covered with Alcantara in my car) I like the leather wheel perhaps in part because I the same wheel in my previous 997.2 Carrera S. So I was fine with the leather wheel in the GTS. And I figure the leather material will last longer and show less dirt from the natural oils from my hands. But I have a feeling that the Alcantara material would feel really good in the hands.
Apparently the engine is not accessible! So you cant take it to your local mechanics to change the carburettors or spark plugs!
Personally, I'm extremely excited about Porsche's new turbo engines. The sound is the only complaint I've ever heard in any review concerning any of the new engines and, personally, sound just isn't as important to me as it seems to be to some others. Don't get me wrong, I do love a nice engine note, but these new engines do still sound awesome to my ear. In any case, sound is never going to be a deal breaker for me, as long as all the performance aspects of the car are there...and they clearly are in these new applications. All that said, the most important point to me about the new engines is that the lacking torque curve of the naturally aspirated mils has finally been addressed in the new engines, while still providing the same high rev-ability of the old ones...the best of both worlds. The Cayman and Carerra are both better performers now and, to my mind, no rational person would rule the car out due only to its sound.
You are totally right. Engine sound/exhaust sound is not a deal breaker. Not at all. The new cars are clearly better performers. I think what I was trying to say is that improved performance isn't always the be all, end all either. There are other things that can come in to play that make your drive enjoyable. Sound is one of those things. Linear power delivery is another. Some people prefer the hydraulic steering of the 997 and earlier generation 911s and that steering feel is an important part of their experience with the car. So yes, you are so right, the sound isn't a deal breaker at all. I guess I am satisfied with the combination of elements that make up my generation of 911. So far.
I'm just a little sensitive to all the criticism of the new turbo engines haha, but yours is an amazing car, Joe. I certainly would never suggest that it's inadequate in any way. In fact, it's likely the very car I'll be searching for on the used market in a few years. Personally, I love the old and the new equally.
+Joe Hutchinson thanks for the video! Do you happen to know what years the gts was made? Looks like 2011, 2013 then jumps to 2015 and I do not see a gts option on the porsche website. Thanks in advance!
I believe you are correct that the GTS was built in 2011 and 2012 and then in 2015 and 2016. It was first introduced in 2011 with the 997.2 version. The 991.1 version in 2015/2016, of course. For 2017, Porsche has moved on to the 991.2 update for the Carrera and they haven't offered a GTS version of that yet. That's why it isn't on their site. I assume that in the near future there will be a 991.2 version for the GTS.
Interesting. They were making a 997 in 2012 for the GTS while at the same time making a 2012 991. Good news for you is you have a pretty rare car, maybe not now but if they go turbo in the gts you'll have the last non turbo gts. Could be a keeper.
Drove the new 4s the other day, feels so different, and to me weaker, somewhat meh, IMO. My daily is the old natty flat 6 though. But hey, there will probably be more available overboost/tuning options for those who purchase them. I would like to see a hybrid 911 4s, with an electric front and a flat 6 in the back. It
I wonder why Porsche doesn't utilize jewels of the 918 engineering other than the headlights or the sport dial on the wheel...
A hybrid 911 4 is an interesting proposition. That could be an exciting option in the 911 range.
There will always be a better porsche, are you going to keep upgrading it every few years? It's very costly.
Great video sir. If I were you, I would keep the 991.1 GTS - unless you could find & afford the 911R. Not just the aural drama, the responsiveness of the naturally aspirated engine cannot be fully achieved by a turbocharged engine UNLESS Porsche use a similar hybrid technology used in Mclaren's P1 and BMW's i8 (known as torque-fill I believe). I highly doubt Porsche will ever produce a 911 with a naturally aspirated engine unless its a GT3. Car youtubers including Chris Harris and TheGetawayer (Guido the German Porsche fan) did not like the turbo transition of the 991.
I totally get what you mean by 'revving the engine to its limit' being more involving+thrilling than using torque from lower revs. Has Nick Murray (the TH-camr that had a lemon 991) seen any of your videos? He's based in Connecticut and he's thinking of buying the 991.2 soon. It would be great if you guys can collab :)
I am not sure if Nick Murray has seen my videos. But I enjoy watching his. He does a really good job. Thanks for watching mine and offering your thoughts. I think you are right, the days of naturally aspirated Porsches is probably over, unless they are hard-to-get special editions.
Congratulations my friend, you have great taste. Agate grey is simply the best!
Thanks so much. I am very happy with it.
You should keep it until you test drive the next 997.2 911 GTS!
Good idea.
What color is your 911?
Agate Gray
Your actual car will raise in price later on. Last NA 911 and than one Model under the GT3? So when you dont need to sell it, keep it. Its an investment.
Honestly, you should wait for the next GTS coming tho...
Only watched 1 min into your vid but still listening. From what I've seen and felt driving your generation GTS I would keep it. It's already held it's value. In the end of the day the 911 s is still just a Carrera S. It will devalue so fast. I will keep its initial value for a while but again it's nothing really special. The GTS is a TRUE Carrera, the noise and it's NOT A TURBO. It looks absolutely beautiful. Do some performance mods like exhaust, injectors, different intake and other little things. I think it's possible to get 470 out of it
i just go 991.2 (17 carrera S)
and it is much better / quicker/more agile than 991.1
i dont know how Porsche going to top this
I am glad Porsche keeps evolving the car and making it better and better. A hybrid in the future like the 918?
Nobody knows which car is right for you. Only you, by definition, can know this. And you don't know! So maybe what you should do is make a video on the futility of asking TH-camrs what you should do. Case in point!
Neither. Get a 997.2 GT3, then you'll be "involved". Yes, there is a better sounding NA engine, it's called a Mezger.
2:56 the new 911's all have wide body regardless....
Aaah, I stand corrected. Thank you.
Joe Hutchinson
I like how you have the black grilles on the back of yours - it was one of the design features I like most about the new ones. I am glad that the new ones from all accounts have done the best they can with a turbo and are pretty good. But from a money perspective the depreciation pressure will be less on the GTS if you can hold it for 10+ years.
You should test-drive and feel the new 911 by yourself rather than ask to people. You'd better follow your own feelings. I think so.
Totally right. When I made that video, dealers didn't have 991.2 cars to drive. But time has passed and now they definitely do. I will likely do a test drive just to experience the new car firsthand.
Either keep the GTS or get the 991.2 Turbo S... Not the regular 991.2 Carrera S tho.