991.2... Am I missing out on anything??
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ย. 2019
- In this video I put the two generations of the Porsche 911 991 side by side. A 2013 base Carrera 2 and a 2017 Targa 4. Is the grass always greener? The 911 was my childhood dream car. It's still my dream car. The first 911 I ever sat in was a first generation 991 (the 991.1) back in 2015 which gave me the push I needed to buy my first 911. A few months later I was a 996 owner. A year later I was 997 owner and now 2 years later I'm a 991 owner... but I'm the owner of the first, not second, generation 991. Am I missing out on anything?? Are there really any differences that I should care about?
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Do more comparisons please I love your vids
Thanks Boris!! More videos coming soon!
@@AutoAmateurreally love your videos, would love to have some video shooting together with my 991.2 4s.
@@hans6973 thank you! If you're within reach of Minneapolis / Minnesota - let's shoot a video!!
I believe that the NA engines in the 991.1 will make these cars very collectable in future years, being the last years for naturally aspirated engines in the 911. I am taking very good care of my C2S (with sport exhaust), and enjoying it's naturally aspirated beauty! lol
I was debating on this as well, but finally picked 991.1s, which has the 3.8 na engine. The price even higher than most 991.2 base and similar to some 991.2s. But man, the 991.1 will be another 993 in the future. It is the last of an era, and it worth to buy and keep.
Either way, the Targa is that rare animal that I rarely see in the wild. Very cool. Also, Chris has achieved my personal goal - daily driving a 911. I love it.
I've had a few G-model 911 in the past years and I never expected a modern Porsche could be ever attractive for me. Until I met the 911.1 - a friend got himself a 2013 C4S and I liked it.
One year later I'm the owner of a 2015 Targa GTS and a 2013 C4S Convertible. Different cars, different sounds, but for me the very best 991 cars, maybe the best 911 ever made.
The 3.0 in the 991.2 just doesn't' do it for me, the 992 is too digital for me and I am sure there will be a hybrid version in future as well.
Save your 991.1's, gents. ;)
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Best of Both C4S and the GTS. I have the C4S and it is just great. Former was a 981 N/A Boxster GTS.
Peak torque coming in low in the rev range transforms the 911 driving experience and makes it more flexible in the 991.2. Ultimately making it easier to access the performance. 991.1 is still hugely capable and rewarding, you just have to work for it more.
Agree! The 991.2 feels way faster than the few tenths of a second it really is. PDK will be and feel faster, but you miss out A LOT in driver involvement. Manual for me👍🏻 but then again I’m not really bothered with heavy traffic were I live and can enjoy open roads to a large extent. In metropolitan areas the PDK is superb, and will be faster on track too.
Right!
The 991.2 sounds like a vacuum cleaner or tractor. But gotta love the power. Personally I am targeting a 991 or 997, mostly due to price but there are good things about them.
Targa is class
Your constant positive, happy demeanour is great to see. Keep it up. An example to us all.
That's really kind, thank you!!
Love the vertical rear slats on the 991.2. Such a beautiful car. Both are awesome.
Another great video! I appreciate that it felt like a balanced discussion about the trade offs between the two as opposed to a sales pitch for one or the other.
Thanks!!
Your car is equally nice. I like the natural aspirated engine sound. Just can not beat it by turbo engines
The turbo 3.0 is awesome. Especially at altitude.
Porsche Sport Exhaust on the GTS sounds good.
Good video. The 991.2 was actually the very first Porsche of any kind that I've ever driven. I drove it at Silverstone at the PEC. The performance difference really isn't in the HP figure, but in the flat torque line from around 2000rpm till almost full RPM. Where the 991.1 builds up torque which really kicks in at around 550RPM on my 3.8 C2S. That's where I think you'd find where the 0-62 gain lies. However, the noise from the NA engine wins me over, ever single time. I can't get enough of it.
Totally!! I can’t get enough of the NA engine noise.
I have a 2012 997.2 4S PDK. I really don’t get the obsession with the sound, a lot of Porsche people have. It’s the thrill of driving one of the most involving sports cars on earth not the sound of the exhaust. My best advice to anyone who enjoys driving over the age of 16 is buy the car you enjoy driving, not the one that makes the loudest vroooom, vroooom. You can always do that in your Cozy Coupe.
I too have a 991.1 GTS spec, I decided against the .2 gen simply due to sound and the reward of working the engine a bit more to get the full potential out of it. your specs for the 0-60 time are off quite a bit. your car is not anywhere near a second slower. I checked the Porsche site to be sure. the S and the base are still over 4 seconds, not until you get to the GTS does it drop. I remembered when I was looking the difference was .2 seconds .1 to .2 it simply was not worth the loss of the sound. Sure no apple car play...but really if you need that in a Porsche buy a SUV not a 911. Enjoy your 991.1 and never doubt your choice. Honestly you rarely, if ever get to realize the performance difference but you will notice the sound esp in the twisty bits and around town. the .2 is so muted at normal pace where as the .1 is beautiful sounding no matter where you are or what you are doing. Both cars are fantastic but I would have the NA over the turbo any day.
I don’t comment often, but love your videos. I went from a 2018 Cayman base to a 2017 4S (sports exhaust was a must). Obviously, was a huge leap. When shopping, I drove a 2014 S with an AWE exhaust. The sound was incredible in it! In the end I opted for the 991.2 so I wouldn’t lose HP to altitude in CO. Never looked back! 911s are all special and your friends Targa is gorgeous!
Cheers Andi and congratulations!!!
A couple of buddies, enjoying the rides, awesome. I really enjoyed this video. Thanks, guys.
Cheers mate!
I’m an NA guy personally, but they’re both great cars
That 991.2 Targa with red leather is absolutely gorgeous! They made it a true targa on the 991 and not that wanna be targa with a larger sunroof from the previous generations. Yeah I wouldn't pay $20k more for the. 2 but would definitely for that targa. That is a special car.
It’s a real gem. Chris found a beaut!!
You seem like a great person. That natural smile/happy appearance is an example to all. Keep up your good work.
Appreciate it, thanks!
I have a 981 Cayman S with the same 3.4 NA engine. It has headers by Soul Performance and the Porsche Sport Exhaust. It sounds amazing. It also has Sport Chrono and PDK. I'm also a big PDK fan. The sound alone is why I really like it. The smile dyno gives me 500HP with that sound.
Hahahah. The 'smile dyno'. Can I use that in a future video? That's hilarious. :)
@@AutoAmateur It is all yours.
Both are amazing cars,I love the sound of my 991.1,at the end is a matter of taste ,but you can’t go wrong with either one!
Right!
Love the wheels on your Coupe!
Thanks Rick!! The wheels were a huge part of my decision actually. I had a line on a similar Black and Tan C2 but it had the basic silver Carrera wheels. These satin platinum wheels were on must have list.
It was a lot of fun shooting this video yesterday! Just some beautiful shots from the drone! We need to go back there in like a month when the leaves really start to change, I bet we can get some amazing shots. I will keep working on getting us a 992 for the next video.
Sign me up!! 🤩🙌
Spoiler alert! The 992 is dead boring to a 991, be it a .1 or a .2. The exhaust is just so muted, even with PSE engaged. Steering is brilliant though, but overall the 992 is just boring. Too clinical.
@@Nord_Mann I have also driven 992 and will have to disagree on the sound. I thought with sport exhaust in sport mode sounded pretty darn good. No it didn't sound like a 997 GT3. Overall, I really enjoyed the driving experience of the 992. I liked the seating position, the handling, and that have slightly raised the dash. (Biggest complaint interior wise has to be the fact that you can't actually see the entire dash because of the steering wheel postion).
Yes. You are missing out on a larger monthly payment, faster depreciation, increased insurance, poor sound and much higher maintenance costs when it goes off warranty and the turbos go at 60k miles.
Ha! Great points Kerry! 😆🙌
Nice video! Unfortunately I think there’s a typo in the vehicle weights (listed at 1:12), as they seem to be about 400 lbs too high (according to my quick google search).
Great video! I feel like you're missing a nice wing at the back and I know they make some nice wings for that car!!!
Hahaha. Oh no! Don’t get me started! 😜😂
Love both cars, but there is something special about the sound of the naturally aspirated engine. My 991-1 has sport exhaust which is music to my ears... I do love that Targa too!
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The turbo engine sounds better to me, at least in this video. Beautiful cars!
Of I'm biased, but you're totally right!! :-) Cheers!
Great video. 👍
There is nothing better than a 911 N/A manual.
PDK is just a fancy term for automatic.
Thanks for another video! I too love the 991.2...the rear brake lights are so much nicer and the 3D look is just a class above the previous gen...I would go to say better than the 992 rear lights. I do love the 992 front LED's though..improvements and evolution...it will nvr end haha...
I know right?? I was just thinking... after the 992 what will the model be? They’ve already had a 993 generation!
Spot on about PDK...Love my PDK
“PDK All Day” would make a good slogan for a t-shirt. 🤩
Very good with the Drone 👍
Thanks John! I managed to clip the edge of a tree at one point and I also buried the drone in some tall grass (soft landing) while trying a low profile follow... but thankfully the drone survived. Maybe I should do a blooper reel! 😂
My slightly tuned mkVII GTI is every bit as quick my 997, at least to 80. It's all about the torque provided by turbocharging
That Targa in black over red is sooo... hot! I have a 997.2 Turbo, white over red. I think a Targa Turbo would be amazing, with the 3.8 Turbo
engine. In my dreams I also have a Turbo S convertible, lol. The rear visibility in the Targa looks so much better than my Coupe. Like the earlier comment, love the one you have, they are all amazing cars!
Oh yes, the Turbo Targa would be so cool! Chris’ red interior slays me, it’s so so nice.
Great getting comparisons
All 911,S are fabulous is the bottom line
You’ve got a beaut 👌
Thanks Iain!!
Finally switching from a 5 speed Boxster to a PDK 911 991.1 would like a breakdown on all the workings of the PD Que shifty with a lever shifting with the paddles that would be helpful
Lol moments...Nick Murray's dogs(pretty sure their gorillas).
..excuse me as you were saying(after gunning his car)...your friends nervousness as you were driving(priceless)...Gisele Bundchen comparison...great day all around for you guys good laughs, awesome cars, and that smile you just can't seem to wipe off your face
Haha. Thanks!!
Mate, you are completely a master on Porsche, you do motivate me already to look for a 991.1 and swap my cayman S for this beauty....Thanks for and simple one of your vids....all are awesome!! Congrats and well done mattey! BTW thaaaat Knife! Hahaha you need to do a dedicated video about that funny knife, history...adventures with..(including the air bag savage destroy chart) haha
Thanks so much!! Appreciate the kind feedback!! 🤩🙌 My knife and I have many Porsche adventures still to come... 🙃
Well done again James. .2 tail lights look awesome but i like your color combination much better. Too much red happening in the targa for my liking. I’d love to see more 997 stuff if you have;)
997 videos.... incoming! I’m hoping to make a few in the next few weeks.
I have driven a 991.2 Carrera T and loved the manual transmission and clutch feel. I echo your thoughts! With the thin glass and reduced sound deadening in-cabin noise is greater than a 991.1 in a good way
Thanks David! 🙌🤩
Biased 991.1 C2S owner here. I have never driven the 991.2. I love the look of the vertical engine grill the most with the change. But I do believe that the NA engine is bliss. I will have to drive a .2 to get a sense of the difference.
The NA engine really is amazing. It wasn’t until I heard the sound of the 991 turbo with a Soul Performance X-Pipe that replaced the center muffler that I got a similar vibe from the NA experience.
Im a 991.1 owner with PDK and sport exhaust (Im still excited when I say that!!!) and one of my reasons for that was the engine. I just love the howl of the naturally aspired it literally still make me cry (having said that I also cried at the beginning of the "Paddington 2' movie so go figure). The gen 2 definitely looks better with slightly better interior kit but I know id miss that howl. Ive owned the car for less than a month and Im already thinking about a GTS...wish my pockets were deeper!
Dude, Paddington 2, I feel you. 🤣👍
... and am I the only one that prefers the painted engine cover of the 991.1 over the black vertical grill of the 991.2?
Great comment!!! I can’t decide which one I prefer to be honest and I’m kicking myself for not discussing it in the video. Bah!!! I think I do prefer the Gen 1’s engine cover but then I see the Gen 2’s in the flesh and I want it. 😆🤦🏼♂️
mrsharps - Yes. But seriously, I like them both, but if I had to make a choice I would choose the vertical black stripe grill. I also think the black stripes look great as a contrast with light color cars.
Tony Chiarizzi Ha! I love it. It is amazing how they can make the smallest changes to 911 and awe obsess over them.
Very true!!! Sometimes even the most subtle changes from generation to generation have me itching to add it to my current car or upgrade. They know their audience! 😆👍
This is a comparison between a non-PSE PDK 991.1 C2 and a heavy well specced manual non-PSE 991.2 Targa 4. It’s 2 very different cars to compare. That’s also the beauty of the 911 range there are so many cars to choose between, and none are bad. I’ve had a fair share of different 911’s (-89 C4, -90C4, -90 C2 cab, -91 Turbo, -99 C4 Tip, -02 GT3CS, -05 C2S and -18 Carrera T) and have tested most generations and most engine specs and find them all very intriguing and satisfying in their own way. The -91 Turbo and the manual Carrera T I’ve got now really tingles my sensations. You should really try manual Carrera T. The sound is amazing and being manual you get to enjoy all the different sound it makes through the rev band. It’s the most interesting 4 seater 911 ever made and extremely entertaining.
Bah! The Carrera T. I had one reserved through Hertz at Amsterdam Schipol last month when I was over there but they didn’t have it when I showed up to pick it up!! They palmed me off with a Jaguar sedan. I was gutted. 🙄
The second generation is definitely better but it comes at a cost. The cost is mostly monetary. I would easily give up the change and sound for all the other improvements. I had a 991.1 Carrera S cabriolet that was loaded and had $150,000 sticker. I traded it in for a 991.1 turbo S. The difference in power alone is worth the upgrade. Imo
Ahhhhh the Turbo S. What dreams are made of!! Congratulations Neil! That’s awesome! I’d love to see some photos of it. Hit me up at AutoAmateurBlogger@gmail.com ! 🤩🙌🔥
I changed the channel when you said that you didn't have a manual Porsche.
Hahahaha. Noooo! Come back, my 996 is manual as was my 997!
I have a 991.1 50th anniversary that has 430HP and a 991.2 GT2 RS. They both are fantastic. I have a hard time to choose between the two.
Ooooff!! I’d say it would be the 991.2 GT2 RS all day every day. 😍😍😍 But that’s not taking anything away from the 991.1 50th! Amazing!
All targa are 'wide-body' spec (all 4wds and 992s) whereas 991 c2s are 'narrow-body'...slight space-difference? All gts are wide-body too.
Great video man. I think the gross weights are incorrect though? These cars don’t weight remotely close to 4,000 lbs
After seriously considering 991.1 S and 4S available on the preowned market, I bought a favorably speced, CPO 2017 991.2 base Carrera (Same interior options as your friend's Targa). At the time there was so much controversy about the turbo engine. Several months later, I am convinced Porsche will be praised well into the future for the excellent characteristics of this twin turbo 3 litre. A fairly modest investment in a Fabspeed center muffler delete and an ECU reflash gives this modest base 911 power that well eclipses previous S models. And the whole car is just so versatile. It's not a dedicated track car but it's close enough for anyone who can afford to own only one Porsche. My only complaint-- the S-wheels (like the ones on your 911), looked better to me than the slightly redesigned S-wheels of the 991.2. IMO, the only better looking Porsche offering is the GT wheels which ROCK. Thanks for the video.
Thanks and congratulations!! Your 911 sounds epic!
Great video, as usual. Love the tutorials, but I prefer the videos of you behind the wheel. They truly show you as a great brand ambassador for Porsche. I'm torn on the 991.2. They are most definitely quicker than the N/A counterparts, but otherwise, they are basically the same. If someone wants brutal speed, they should get a 991.1 capital "T" turbo. The interior cabin and (by and large) the exterior of the 991.2 is just too similar to its older cousin in order to justify the price bump. Never driven the 992, but the light bar in the rear and the remodeled interior make them distinct from the 991.1.
Thanks Phillip!! More driving videos coming soon. I'm also hoping to get a 992 out on the road soon. Watch this space! :-)
I’ve read from a chap who has owned both that the 991.2 has better steering and is more involving to drive.
damn, she's heavy. the torque jump is too much to ignore, I'm holding out 'till a 991.2 GTS but would be tempted by a dot 1 for the engine growl. either way, great cars! thanks for sharing.
Thanks! Yeah, it’s pretty much a win-win either way.
First gen for me, NA with a stick.. :) Okay, I'm biased, as that's what I have. And, yet to learn the car sufficiently.. :)
Picked up a 2016 C2 GTS about 3 months ago, don't regret not getting the 991.2; traded a 2009 C2 for it
Congratulations!!! 🥳🥳🥳
In my opinion, in all versions other than the GT3 line, the gen 1 991 is definitely the better car; it will also be more collectible and will retain its value much better, especially the GTS.
I would love to feel the gearbox. Compared to my 997.1 I can only imagine. I purchased two liters of Mobilube PTX 75W-90 gear lube and that should help? Let you know. Take care
I’ve heard that can help! Good luck!
Just did the same with a spyder for my channel (coming soon) the sound yours makes is quite a big step up but the performance of the .2 is unfortunately required because everything else has stepped up.
Great channel by the way! I’m a subscriber. I’ll keep an eye open for your Spyder video! 👍
@@AutoAmateur thanks also enjoy this channel. Been considering a 991 at some stage so will keep watching.
Thanks! 🙌
Nick says lighter colored interiors make the interior seem larger...maybe the red seats made it feel larger?
Maybe! The red isn’t very light though. It’s vivid and bold AF. As much as I like it, I think it might give me a headache on a long trip.
I very much appreciate this video... I am itching to get one but want the newer one for the power and tech, it it WILL not sound the same... I know I will be missing something.
Thanks Dane and good luck to you! I hope you get your dream 911 soon!
Have my M6 Comp right now as my daily, and the 991.1 or .2 CS/4/GT3 would be GREAT! But stalled simply because of the sublimation if used cars these days... would love a TT but AMG’s of All Kinds are available and I’m not digging ///M anymore (after a few)... the old v8 TT M6 Comp still looks and works well...
Can’t go wrong with an AMG. So nice.
Auto Amateur the used GTR’s are at a decent price but are more equal to a Jag.... and that actually is too small. At the same time, the only equal is (oddly enough) used E63S which from every review is better than the newer M5 (I had the F10 M5... manual ... mistake.. thus the M6)...but looked at the 997.1/.2 911’s and the lack of tech killed it for me.
Yeah it’s amazing how poor the tech is inside true 997s, both generations. Even the 991.1s tech isn’t quite what it should be. They caught up with the rest of the industry with the 991.2s.
Prefer your car over his look wise. That said his spec are pretty great.
I have a 1st gen. 991.1 GT3 and the 991.2 (if only I can afford it) is a better car in my opinion, with all the upgrades and fixes they did with the engine. I also love the fact that the 991.2 still retained its N.A motor.
But with the 991 Carrera, I’ll still stick with the 1st gen because of the naturally aspirated engine. I like yours better man 😉.
Ooooooff! (That’s the sound of my head exploding!) A 991.1 GT3?! Amazing. 🤩🙌🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Just bought my first Porsche after owning every Mark of Audi TT and both versions of TTS. Only a Cayman S in white but I am hooked after watching your vids. If you get over to the UK, let me know. Do a Cayman flyby. Keep on keeping on with the content. 👍. Mega enjoyed the comparison.
Congratulations!! “Only” a Cayman S. That’s an incredible car! Awesome. What options came with it?
Ps. Thanks for the kind comments! I’m glad to hear that my newly found semi-American-ness isn’t putting off my UK brethren! 🤩🙌
Auto Amateur it’s well specc’d 2008 one owner car. Fully electric seats, red fully extended leather, 19 inch black GT 3 style wheels, tiptronic gearbox, in gleaming white paint with 40k on the clock. Has the sports exhaust too and pasm. Loving it and despite not being as quick on paper as my previous 2016 TTS - the Cayman S is actually much fiercer and you know you are driving a quality sports car. Handles brilliantly. Absolutely no going back. My daily driver every day and every day is a great day for a drive.
Officer Poncherrello beast! That sounds like a great spec. Nice one!
Auto Amateur been following for some time. Wanted a Porsche since I was a boy lol. Very interesting watching your experiences with your cars over there and it really works for me as a Brit- watching another Brits vids from the US. Keep them coming.
Gen 2 is better, but both are great. No need to upgrade though.
Put a soul performance valved exhaust on your 991.1, you'll get a sound with the open valves that the .2 can't replicate!
Shallow person.............totally get it👍
I’m not really, well maybe a little and certainly when it comes to cars. Haha. 😜
The 0-60 time difference betweem the 2. Wow. That'll be the only reason Id get a 991.2
.9 seconds, definitely a significant difference.
@@MyMostBeautifuCinema .9 seconds worth 20k more?
@@thiagoribeiro8782 Are we talking used vs new or new vs new? If new vs new, definitely not, if used vs new, not a fair comparison.
Used vs. Used.
Just wouldn’t buy the gen 2 without the sports exhaust - it’s a must
Agreed!
Having a 991.2 C2 base with PDK and PSE that has a tune and soul performance exhaust make it an absolute monster compared to any 991.1 variant from GTS down. The stock capability along with the option to easily add significant power pushed me towards the 991.2. With a few thousand dollars aftermarket you can push close to 500hp/500ftlbs out of a base carrera and it will blow the doors off of 991.1S models all day long. SO if you like performance, and lets face it the 911 is a performance car, then the 991.2 is the clear choice if it fits your budget. If you just want a great 911 to cruise around town and listen to the engine then there are plenty of good options including the 991.1.
Drive my car and then lets talk about whether you are "missing anything" :-D
Ha!! Sign me up. Where am I flying to?! 😆👍
Ps. That’s an amazing set-up. Congratulations!
@@AutoAmateur next time we get together lets take er out for a spin!
Aha... the penny drops Ben! 😆👍
What is your camera and audio set up? And what car mounts? Tks
Interior video is just taken with an iPhone 8 Plus. Exterior video is taken with 2 x GoPro Hero 6s.
I use Fat Gecko mounts. Single suction cups, but you can get bigger ones with multiple suction cups.
Fat Gecko Mini Camera and Camcorder Mount www.amazon.com/dp/B002K8Q0EU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_tpbIDbAWH4P43
Delkin Fat Gecko Mount DDMOUNT-STEALTH www.amazon.com/dp/B0061LLUHO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_QpbIDbENEBY3G
Auto Amateur thanks very much. Which mounts are for outside the car and which for inside the car, or are they both strong enough for outside the car? Tks again
Prediction: Next video titled “I’ve sold my 991.1 and my new 991.2 is on its way!”
Enginewise I think the comparison is difficult with a manual vs. a PDK. You’re PDK is going to “feel” quicker than a 7-Speed. The added weight of a Targa over a coupe may skew the feel even more. Still I never took the time to compare aesthetics and I agree that the front and rear of the .2 look better than the .1.
Hahaha. Maybe... 991.2 or 992...? 🤩😜
LOL!
Auto Amateur ....🤔 Based on how the 996 to 997 to 991 transitions unfolded, I say 991.2, but within 60 days that’ll be gone for a 992. At that point you’ll be out of new models to acquire and ditch and will have to move to GT cars or some Italian exotics.
Hahahahahaha.
Is your seat sitting on a different bracket? I can't recall the technical name...but the bracket that the seat is bolted to...that can be swapped out for shorter or taller people. Maybe the previous owner of your car was short and got a bracket that lifted your seat?? And that's why your knee rubs?
Maybe!! I’ll have to check it out. I’ve found the lowering brackets which give the stock seat an extra ¾ inch drop.
@@AutoAmateur yeah get those :)
na engine and manual coupe/targa will stay valuable.. if could have afforded a 991.1 gts manual I'd have bought. .. 4s, still nice (widebody)
After rewatching this I think I found my name for my car, Giselle;)
Ha!! 🔥🔥🔥
Aw, you should’ve opened the Targa top!
Yeah, totally! It's really cool to watch.
Well shortly after they came out with the 991.2, I snapped up a used and mint 2015 911 Carrera 4 GTS, a 3Y 1M old car with a mere 101 miles on it. No engine over-revs! I just did not want a turbo in my car. Also why I boubght a new 2nd gen Acura RDX before the turbo 3rd gen RDX came out. Same for a manual, I am a driver, not a passenger which is why I would never buy a PDK.
Don't like the central exhausts on the 991.2. Personally, 991.1 C2S or 992 C2S are the picks.
Need to do the video with the S
YES!! Great suggestion. 👍
@@AutoAmateur let me know when ready
Your rite, just driving any 911 is more than satisfying. That being said mate. I think you should just pull the trigger and get a brand new one and be done with it.. LOL. See you soon.
Hahahahaha. I love it... a balanced perspective then a ballistic perspective. Are we related? 😂💥💥💥👍
@@AutoAmateur Not related, but very similar when it comes to being a little OCD. It's too bad we don't live closer. It would be fun to hang out at one of the car shows or the coffee house. I live in Chicago, so a bit too much of a Sunday drive. If you ever find your way down here, feel free to look me up.
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Have a 991.2 ...🥰
I seem to be the only one to think that the outside of the 991.1 is more beautifull (just "right") than the second generation. I even prefer the so called eyebrows. The lights on the back without 3D seem more "classic", the new ones just a tad desperate to make them different to the 991.1. All that comes handy because I do think about buying a 991.1, Carrera or Carrera S. Hope it will happen in the next 6 months. If so it is meant to be my daily driver for the next 10 years or so. I just think the 991 is the perfect mix of modern and classic 911-elements. If only the new PCM would be possible...
Good luck with your car shopping! I think I enjoy that part of Porsche ownership almost as much as actually driving the car. Haha. :-) The new PCM isn't possible BUT you can upgrade the stock 991.1 PCM to have Apple CarPlay. I will have a video coming up on that in the next month! Cheers!
@@AutoAmateur Great info about the possible PCM upgrade. So I have no argument anymore against buying the 991. My boss is allread joking that I seem to plan on buying a new car since he knows me. He is not completely wrong here I have to admit. But I do like looking for the right one a lot too. My boss showed me and a colleague his wifes new car just today which is of course a brand new anthracite 992 Carrera 4S Cabriolet. Even the red interior looked surprisingly good. But the outside is just too big and blown up IMO, especially around the back. So the 991 is still the goal. But they seem to be about 15-20 grand more expensive here in Germany than in the US. But one day I need to drive around the Nürburgring with my own 911 (I live just 20 kilometres away from the track) not just as a passenger.
@@MrThrustSSC ohhhhhh I would love to drive around the Nürburgring one day. WOW!!!! :)
@@AutoAmateur Well. To be honest I thought I would never really do it, but finally I did. Since last thursday I am the proud owner of a 991.1 Carrera 4S. What did it for me was that it is painted in a very special colour called Brewster green. It is awesome. Greetings from the Nürburgring-neighbourhood!
You must take into consideration the fact the Targa weighs much, much more.
Very good point.
There is no way the non "S" 991.2 does 0-60 in 3.4 seconds and certainly not in the Targa 4 manual which is slower than the PDK and the heaviest variant of all! I think the 4wd added 70kg and the Targa another 150kg making it fatter than even the Cabrio?
Yeah you’re right. The data I got online was obviously wrong. 🤦🏼♂️
I think you just need to mortgage the house a second and third time and just go straight to a GT3RS! 996 to 997 to 991 to 991.2... think of the time savings!
Haha!! You’re probably right Craig. 😆👍
Those gross weights look really high at approximately 4K each 😳
They’re not lightweight cars by any means.
Wait, the base 991.2 ran 0-60 in 3.4? That can't be right. Maybe your 0-60 times are 4S stats?
I get my stats from zeroto60times.com and they have the 2017 C2 at 3.4 secs. The S and 4S are listed at 3.2 secs. I found a few different sources online that varied by 0.1-0.5 seconds from model to model but I’ve generally found this website to be a good guide. Could be wrong though of course!
They posted a time of 3.9 for the 2017 911 C2 Manual. I would have to say my Targa probably closer to 4.1.
@@AutoAmateur if those numbers are accurate the base Carrera is a performance bargain!! If the engines prove reliable over the next 20 years, wow, what a classic!! Just wish there were mods to allow one to see the engine
It would be so cool for the 911 to have its engine visible or least easier to access like the 997 and 996.
@@AutoAmateur hoping over the next 20 years there's something we can retrofit to the 991 that would give us permanent access to the engine
.2 turbocharged engine is much faster than the .1
you still have yet to say your job title. I'm guessing chemical engineer or electrical engineer. Possibly CIS but being in MN i'm guessing more towards the engineer job title.
Ha! Nope, nope and nope. 🤩👍 Here are my preferred job titles... Honey, Daddy and 911 Driver. 🥳
Gross weight is a silly weight to use for these cars. that's not what the car weighs, that's the max weight you can load the car up with people and stuff. The 991.2 does not weigh 4100lbs, thank God
Manual only.
second gen fan; in holland we say "you laugh like a former with toothhache....", second gen looks so much better and i am a fan of the new turbo engines which are dame fast....
Ha!! I love the Dutch, always so funny. Haha. Greetings from USA!
Guaranteed 5 or so years in the future.. you guys will be raving about the great looks of the 997. 😃
Haha. Yeah but by then I’ll have a 997 again in my garage, sat along my 991 and my 992. 😂😜
@@AutoAmateur And a Taycan to go grocery shopping.. 😉
Haha. Yes!
You should upgrade that steering wheel like this guy did
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997 and early 991 steering wheels were rather ugly.
Jim did a great job of that wheel. After my airbag / knife incident though... can I trust myself with another airbag job?? 🙄