Porsche's Best Kept Secret - 991.2 Carrera?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 มิ.ย. 2024
- We explore the question of whether the 991.2 Carrera and it's potential is the best kept secret in the Porsche community.
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I couldn't be happier with the work Jon and his team did for my car. That is my car in the video and I waited about 3 months to get an opening in their schedule to have the work done. Jon also lowered it, had an alignment done and detailed the car before I picked it up. I drove it back to South Carolina. I got better gas mileage, it stayed cooler and is an absolute BEAST on acceleration. I think it is time to upgrade the brakes!! I couldn't be happier with the work done and highly recommend Jon and the team!!
Very cool 👍
I can understand that! I’m always looking after the Turbo/TurboS models but this gives me new thoughts…
@@GTRuppsala It will hang with the big dogs and sounds absolutely fantastic. It now sports Yellow BREMBO big brakes front and rear. I think it is just about perfect!!!
What was your total cost?
They need better brakes with stock power. I love my Carrera T, but the stock brakes I could easily overwork on downhill canyons or track sessions. Arguably I’d say the downhill canyon can be the most demanding. Once I added Sport Cup 2’s I quickly found the extra traction led to a combination of higher corner speed resulting in higher end of the straight speed coupled with additional traction for braking then meant the brakes got overworked even more. My next steps, I’ll be adding more brakes before I even think of power. Just my preference for how and where I drive (95% SoCal canyons, 4% around town, 1% autocross/track).
Love the tunability of this engine! Thanks for the share F6M!
Love this build, thanks for putting this video out!!🙌
Always a great presenter and always with interesting and informative content.
I love these informational type vids could you do one on a 991.2 carrera thats kinda maxed out on power pls🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Can’t stop watching until vid is end :) so informative and interesting for me.
Very happy I came across this video
Great vid and very informative!
Great video breakdown and including price!💪
Got one since new ‘17 991.2 did APR & Fabspeed and it’s incredibly fast
People are making a big deal about the 991.1 but to me the 991.2 is the sweet spot!
Agree, and better then the soulless 992 interior.
@@memyself5337 beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
@@derekwhoelse8359 My apologies if my opinion stung.
@@memyself5337 It did not.
@@memyself5337No need to get emotional about a design. Both cars great, some prefer the stunning cluster in the 992 while others prefer the 991’s cheaper looking cluster.
Both can look “soulless” if you hop into a Mercedes.
Very good video! 991.2 Carrera does the job!
I’m about to pull the trigger on a ‘17 - 991.2 and this video just made my day! So excited ! 💥😎
Great! When you get one, let us know if we can be of any help! They're a great platform.
@@Flat6Motorsports I do want to switch out those goofy, oval exhaust tips to chrome, round dual. But had a hard time finding anything online last night.
Hey Jon, I can confirm that, it is a very good base with a lot of hidden performance. I have the 7-speed manual Carrera T, with headers, plenum and all the mods you recommended (I still run catalytic converters from Akrapovic); the car is at 617 HP now. But the real issue running such performance on our german autobahn or on the Nuerburgring is intake air temperature. At that level of horsepower, the turbos are still too small, and you get ignition withdrawal all the time due to skyhigh intake air temperature. That's really the week point. Currently thinking of adding a water-methanol injection....
Anyway: great videos!
the catalytic converters may be responsible for higher IATs than if they weren't there, but of course you have regulations to worry about. Maybe some airbox work or additional ducting?
How does the manual gearbox hold all that power? Have you replaced the clutch?
T army!
Please don’t forget to talk about the rear Dif/LSD…. This is a huge difference in handling, which is why you buy a Porsche…
I have the same car without Sport chrono, or pse. I have everything you recommended and a few other plug ins. Currently on APR stage 3 e85 file and Im doing 600whp on dyno. The car runs amazing and loves the upgrades. Definitely a sleeper.
Any 60-130 times?
I’m laughing and enjoying this video because I’m an owner of a Mazda Miata NC with modified suspension. I’m a weekend canyon carver. The joke is that your impact tool from Harbor Freight has more torque than a Miata. The power numbers on these flat 6’s are impressive.
Loved my manual Carrera T💙
I have a 2018 991.2 and this is making me think 😅
Thank u for this vid, now I know the potential of my car. I need help. I have a 991.2 c4s that we absolutely love as our daily, so much so we bought a 10 yr warranty on it. How do I make it sound better? The turbo whistle and PSE is alright, but blasting through a tunnel sounds lame with nothing but air. While I am pleasantly surprised to read that u can put 200 cell cats and not trigger CEL on these cars, I don’t want to void any warranty. I want more flatsix mechanical Porsche sound, any recommendation? Nothing too crazy, I have 5 other screaming supercars for the occasions, but really hope I can add more volume and signature Porsche sound to this car without compromising warranty claims on drivetrain and emission parts, or compromise daily usability by attracting the wrong kind of attention
It's better to get an S to start with because that gives you bigger 6 pot brakes and Porsche torque vectoring as standard, and the availability of rear axle steering, all of which were not available on the base Carrera.
feel same
In Australia PTV only standard in Carrrea GTS and no-one seems to specify S with PTV so I had to go GTS. Bigger brakes of the S/GTS are still not big enough. I am trying Brembo GT-S system with 380 front and rear. 991.2 Carrera is becoming known as a tuner car. Unfortunately in Australia local pricing policy makes them very expensive vs other platforms.
Correct, or just get the T which has all you listed (other than brakes).
@@TheHoosiers2008do you know if the PDK version of the T has PTV? I haven't been able to confirm. I'd rather go manual but they run about 15k higher which would make the S the better choice in my situation
@@micraw714 I don’t believe the T PDK has PTV or an LSD which is insane.
What fuel are using in the stage 3 tune. Great video btw. Thanks
Just 93 pump
That’s awesome
Hi All, I didn’t see any mention of headers being changed out. Any benefit there? I have a 991.2 GTS with Sport Cats, aftermarket headers, and PSE. Is the BMC intake upgrade truly required to load a stage 1 or 2 OTS map? Do you recommend any other additional upgrades for stage 1/2 street driving (moderate occasional high load on street roads)?
They don't make much of a difference from our testing. The BMC isn't required.
Good info. I recently installed a Cobb accessport stage 1 on my 2017 base 991.2 Carrera for 93 octane gas. According to the Cobb maps, if I am reading them right, I should have added 30 hp and 70 ft lb of torque. Does that sound about right? Thanks.
We usually see 40-60whp gains on the dyno.
Just for reference the base 991.2 turbo size is 49mm, 51mm S, and 55mm GTS and the gts has a bigger AR. I was the first to have the pure turbos and on E85 the car made just over 700whp. Also I believe the pure turbos are 62mm's..
These are the specs we've gathered:
Model Turbine Compressor
Base 49 45
S 51 45
GTS 55 48
Pure 67 50
@@Flat6Motorsports having some 71mm's made for my turbo s with entirely new AR.
@@Flat6Motorsports The Pure's measured were 64-50.5
This is great! I just got a 992 S and I believe it's largely the same engine. I guess an APR stage 1 wouldn't be too risky?
Very simple and these motors are extremely strong. We recommend the Cobb Accessport but the APR tune is also good.
Can a 997 base carrera get turbo?
Do you have a factory matching warranty? I like more power, but love the piece of mind of a warranty.
Are you joking?
@chriscarbaugh3936 Carbahn does it for thier BMW tunes.
Carrera T is a great option
What about warranty? Cheers from Italy
Wouldn't be a true 991 without the vice grip holding up lid.
Nice work and great information. Now I just need to make an extra 100k I can spend on a used car…
Debating on a 991.1 and accepting low torque or shelling out a couple more bucks for the 991.2 and slapping a tune on it..decisions
I'd go for the naturally aspirated engine. It's a dying species.
@@c4sh3w I ended up going with the 991.1 C4S and added an armytrix exhaust. Sounds absolutely insane. 1 year in and lots of smiles
Super tunable! My Stock GTS with a custom tune made 517 WHP, with zero hardware mods
So I can save money and buy a base carrera and upgrade the turbos to have essentially a different car?
Yes, that is correct.
What kind of psi are you hitting with the stage 3 tune?
~23psi
This maybe a dumb question, but if you could get your hands on a higher mileage 14 Turbo S or a low mileage 18 Carrera 4S for about $20K less, which would you pick? I'm really torn because of the look and aura of the Turbo S, but thinking about long term and resale of a low mileage 2018 4S.
AWD drives like shit compared to the RWD 911. I guess different strokes for different folks, but my preference would be for anything RWD over either of those cars. The weight and front drive ruins the front end steering feel/precision to me.
@@joeracer302 AWD drives like shit compared to the RWD 911?
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@@derekwhoelse8359If he truly thinks that, he’s exaggerating.
Back to back i prefer rwd, but the awd models feel nearly the same.
They feel like they’re rwd from behind the wheel because the awd system works essentially the same as haldex does in a Golf and they’re heavily rear biased. Similar to a Huracan’s awd system or Bmw’s xDrive, they can’t send more than 50% to the front
@@PapiAndrey You know what you are talking about Papi. I had the rwd's and now the awd. Especialy with wet roads the awd is fantastic! Like you said, both feel the same while driving but you can push the car much more when wet in compare with rwd..
In Arizona we are subject to bi-annual emissions inspections. Pretty sure replacing cats with straight pipes would be a giant no-no. Is there a reason you chose Not to mention ‘high flow’ cats as a (street legal) option? Are they Not truly effective at reducing restriction? I already know I have a hard time paying more than $2k, considering their purpose.
Yes, we have a very diverse and global audience and customer base. With the ever evolving regulatory environment we don’t like to discuss the issue as it may or may not be relevant. The focus on this particular build and idea was a little bang for the buck. The same can be accomplished with 200 cell catalysts but the power is reduced by about 10-15whp.
You stated parts were about 10K, what about total cost with labor? Would i have to upgrade tires and brakes?
Why would you need an upgrade?
I have an 991.2 GTS how much HP would a tune add ?
About 80whp and 125 ft/lbs of torque.
If I ever need to visit the dealer can I remove the tune? But must importantly is the foot print of the tune removed? Making it invisible, like it was never there? I have heard it will be found, but I wanted to ask you the professional
Yes, it can be removed and even with it on, it won't show up at the dealer level. Log flashing is stored deeper down in encrypted logs that rarely ever get analyzed, but assess your own risk.
I’ve never heard a description of the differential in the Base Carrera. I know it’s Not the stellar Torque Vectoring unit. Would it just waste this extra power?
It has an open differential. It doesn't matter much on the 911s in terms of grip/traction. It would show up more on track going 10/10ths and powering out of certain turns. We've tested over 700HP with the base differential and drives great.
carrera T with PDK :D i love mine
I'm thinking that'll be my next car 😁 does the pdk come with ptv on the T?
@@micraw714 I am not sure, but I don’t have rear axle steering, it’s just rear wheel drive and a 3.0turbo. Great setup, the only downside is the sound is a bit muted because of the turbos. The sound inside the cabin is great because of the intake sound tubes.
@@TheNextCorner-original nice, thanks for the info and I bet it's a blast to drive! I drove a base and really liked the power band so I can imagine the T with the extra goodies is really good 👍🏼it's between that or an MT 991.2 S. Decisions decisions 🤔
@@micraw714 a PDK is also fun in manual mode, but I can imagine that a manual shifter is also fun to drive. I choose PDK for roadtrips and because it’s my first Porsche I like the super fast racetransmission and launchcontrol. Maybe next time I choose a manual for fun 🤩. I think both car are great. The Carrera base is easy to tune. With GTS turbos and mapping you can go to 550 hp. I personally believe 370hp flatsix turbo on rear wheels is more than enough, it’s faster than a Audi rs3 Quattro with 450hp.
@@TheNextCorner-original that's awesome, I used to have a 981 Cayman S with the pdk and I really loved that transmission 😁 seems like you really can't go wrong with either one!
$120k which would you buy a 992 (tune), T or a 991 Turbo S? Goals are light track time, mountain roads and GT road trips with my wife.
Personally, I really enjoy the 992 Carrera platform. It gives a lighter feel and more fun powerband relative to the turbo.
no just a few items, theres around $8000 worth of equipment you put on pal
What could I expect from a 991.1 Carrera c2 base for power upgrades? I feel mine needs a little bit more punch, especially in first gear. Tunes from my understanding only maybe add 25hp. What are my options?
Being a N/A car they don't have the same potential with power. Opening up the airflow with an intake/plenum and headers/exhaust coupled with tuning will yield about 35-40whp.
@@Flat6Motorsports Do you honestly think it’s worth it, would I notice the 30-40hp, which probably comes in at the higher rev range, when it seems laggy at the low end.
I already have the Soul Sports Exhaust, headers next I guess - do the headers coming with the hi flow cats?
Also, what tune would you recommend?
@@capitalexotics it comes down to preference on if it's worth it, many customers find it worthwhile. High flow cats would be a next best step. Tuning, I would recommend the Cobb Accessport.
@@Flat6Motorsports thanks for the replies, to someone watching your videos from the great white North, not Florida! I wish we had a shop like yours in my parts!
You seriously made me question whether I should sell my 991.1 and get a 991.2 after seeing these incredible power gains! Damn, I could only imagine having 80% more power at the wheels. Let’s just say my wife isn’t impressed with the conversation… lol!
@@capitalexotics Yeah, the 991.2 packs plenty of potential, the benefits of turbochargers! The 991.1 is still a great car!
Was this base Carrera in the video a PDK or manual?
PDK
Greetings, What is a stage 1 upgrade?
Stage 1 is just a tune via the Cobb Accessport.
Is there a kit that’s California legal?
That’s exactly the question I was going to ask
How would the tyrannical state government of California know if you swapped turbos, tuned, ECT? The only thing I could see them potentially knowing about would be a removal of cats, but they make high flow 300 and 200 cell cats with better piping, which is where most of a power increase would come from in the exhaust end out of the 3 components (manifolds/headers, cats/downpipes, cat-back/muffler) followed by downpipes. Plus I'm certain you could find a local inspector that you could drop a couple 20's to to pass you 😅
Is the 991.2 and 992 open deck or closed deck? I've been searching the internet for quite some time now and couldn't find an answer.
The standard spoiler is an open deck. It allows air to move from the roof down into the intercoolers. It raises at speed for increased downforce. There are also fans/vents which help allow the car to pull heat from the engine bay at idle/low speeds.
@@Flat6Motorsports thank you very much. Although I meant the engine block🤣.
@@coolkrass5079 closed deck
@@Flat6Motorsports alright, thank you very much.
Wouldn’t you need to upgrade the brakes as well if you only start with a base Carrera?
Need to? No. It comes down to preferences and driving conditions/objectives. This particular car did end up with some upgraded Brembo units. The base brakes are sufficient for street driving but for more overall balance or performance, upgrades are nice to have and make the car more complete in our opinion.
@@Flat6Motorsports what are you recommendations for a 991.2 carrera T that see 6 track days a year and is otherwise a weekend car ?
@@Notachancepoopypants recommendation for brakes or overall performance?
@@Flat6Motorsports what would be a must do list if I were to put the pure turbos on
@@Notachancepoopypants feel free to email us at info@flat6motorsports.com so we can learn more about your requirements and help get you into the right solution. It can start with just turbos, exhaust and tuning. Many folks will add intercoolers if they are tracking the vehicle or live in hot climates. The chassis can handle a lot of power so it comes down to preferences on suspension/brake set-up but we'd be happy to help. We also have a helpful guide here to give you a quick guide to different power levels: flat6motorsports.com/pages/991-2-carrera-power-kits-by-flat-6-motorsports
$10k in parts - what is the labor estimate?
It depends on options but typically $2K here
So... absolutely NO internal engine part changes required? Just a tune and a larger turbo? Hmmm, very similar to the Audi S & RS cars then?
None. They have forged internals from the factory, very strong motors.
What if you add meth ? I’m curious to know what they can take . Great video
Isn't Methanol extremely corrosive?
@@thegrmcrckr488 Methanol is corrosive but when used in a performance setting it is a bit different. I believe what Matt is revering to is "water-meth injection". That is a fun rabbit hole to go down in terms of what it can do for performance without catastrophically hurting the car.
4:01 mark of leaking water pump
The best kept secret is that I'm putting this drivetrain in my 996!
Good luck getting the computers working. Seems like a nightmare. Probably easier to put a MoTec or some other stand-alone than try to get factory ECU to play nicely in another chassis. Those things seem to be tied into every subsystem on the car and anytime something is customized requires reprogramming to accommodate even little changes. Doable perhaps, but there are better ways to spend time/$ than dumping it into that kind of project. Can make a very nice 4.2L build for a 996 using a 997 based motor worked over by someone like Vision Motorsports.
Why don't you tell everyone how lousy the 991.2 is so the prices go down???
Rah
lol what a stupid video "hey the 991 is cool, buy all of our stuff"...
If you don’t own a modern Porsche and have an interest in performance upgrades, you’ve stumbled across the wrong channel. All the best!
@@Flat6MotorsportsOR MAYBE, you actually make an informative video about the 991.2 to show you know what you're talking about and build consumer confidence with your company. I look at this as just another shop selling shit bolt on parts.