thanks for the review, as I asked you in a stream's chat couple days ago, I was about to go this way but I was most concerned with it not being "ready to play" but instead having to schedule a session to download firmware and driver, I do not have time to wait others to use any product due to work timing. so I went with an OSW srbay 20nm, I guess I made a better deal. great content as always, this is in my opinion one of the 3 most relevant sim racing yt channels. keep going man, cheers from Italy :)
You can not expect the SW7C to be as good as the more expensive and powerful SimuCUBE wheels and AccuForce.This wheel should be compared with CSW V2.5 and other wheels that are at the same price.71°C/160°F is not that much,if you leave T300/T-GT/CSL Elite/CSW V2.5 at full power without electronic overheat protection(which reduces the torque) and a fan to cool the electric motors, their electric motors will overheat over 80°C and they will be destroyed in less than one hour.
Thanks for the time you took to review this but it seems like a rushed job. You keep comparing a 600 euros wheel to double the price offerings (even with Black Friday the Accuforce yourway comes in almost double the price due to customs and shipping and the SimRacinBay OSW is double priced as well). You compared a software thats in development for many years and with a large community behind it with an one man job. Did you try the differnet settings, what affect was there when messing around with them? You totally missed the price point or even the nm point comparison. You said it feels less of a DD when compared to a 20nm OSW which is to be expected and im really puzzled why you even mentioned it.You said you had problems with feeling the grip, in what way? Would a similar priced belt driven wheel provide more grip/tyre info? Did you try hotlaps in various sims to see if there was any change in lap times or not with other similar priced offerings? Did you try to check how fast the wheel self corrects or even drifts, compared to a CSW 2.5 or a Thrustmaster TSPC? Did you try different sims and what was the feeling compared to the belt driven wheels and the higher priced OSW? I think that if you answer even half of the above the review would have been better in portraying this product.
" You keep comparing a 600 euros wheel to double the price offerings (even with Black Friday the Accuforce your way comes in almost double the price due to customs and shipping and the SimRacingBay OSW is double priced as well)" - Since I don't know what the price for the Customs and Shipping for the AF are, let's just take the SimRacingBay (or SimPliCity) OSW example. 600 Euro vs 1,000 Euro. Not double the price. Augury's 18NM SimuCUBE OSW is on sale right now for 827 Euro (869 Euro not on sale). Just gotta research and you can find good prices ;) "You compared a software that's in development for many years and with a large community behind it with an one man job." - YES! That's the POINT of a review... Compare what the company/person is offering to what is existing. I can't say "It's poorly done, but I'll give it a pass since it's just one person making it." My goal is to inform potential customers of what happens if someone purchases the product. "Did you try the different settings, what affect was there when messing around with them?" - Yep. Talked about it a bit in the review. Also, if you want more detailed explanations, you can go to the live stream I did testing the wheel and went deeper into talking about the settings. "You said it feels less of a DD when compared to a 20nm OSW which is to be expected and I'm really puzzled why you even mentioned it." - I'm puzzled, because I never said that. I said that, in some ways, this wheel is BETTER, and in some ways, this wheel is WORSE. As I mentioned in the review, the FFB issues come down to software, and how the driver/firmware translates forces. "Would a similar priced belt driven wheel provide more grip/tyre info?" - Yes. For reasons mentioned above. Just because a wheel is "Direct Drive" doesn't mean it's automatically awesome. The software/firmware needs to be able to take advantage of it. "Did you try to check how fast the wheel self corrects or even drifts, compared to a CSW 2.5 or a Thrustmaster TSPC?" I mentioned it in a previous live stream, but forgot to mention in the review. CSW 2.5 is faster, TSPC is slower. "Did you try different sims and what was the feeling compared to the belt driven wheels and the higher priced OSW?" Belt Drives were better, Higher Priced OSW was better. EXACTLY the same thoughts I reflected in the review
@@Simracingpaddock ''Since I don't know what the price for the Customs and Shipping for the AF are, let's just take the SimRacingBay (or SimPliCity) OSW example. 600 Euro vs 1,000 Euro. Not double the price. Augury's 18NM SimuCUBE OSW is on sale right now for 827 Euro (869 Euro not on sale). Just gotta research and you can find good prices ;)'' The Augury has no VAT included so add to that 827€ 21% of VAT and the total is 1000,67€. The SRB comes at rooughly the same 1049€ tag. So its not double the price but 80% double. ''YES! That's the POINT of a review... Compare what the company/person is offering to what is existing. I can't say "It's poorly done, but I'll give it a pass since it's just one person making it." My goal is to inform potential customers of what happens if someone purchases the product.'' You said way too little regarding what the various parameters do and as for the comparison youre making a basic mistake. Whats the slot SW7+ comes in. At its price slot you have to compare it with a similarly priced CSW 2.5+ or TSPC. If you insist comparing it with other Dds then with almost half the price do you get half the DD feel? Do you think that you gave enough info about its software? If yes then disregard my comments. My take is that you didnt, but lets agree to disagree. I still believe your comparison was unfair to say the least. I'm puzzled, because I never said that. I said that, in some ways, this wheel is BETTER, and in some ways, this wheel is WORSE. As I mentioned in the review, the FFB issues come down to software, and how the driver/firmware translates forces. I probably remember you saying it in your live stram where you only talked about how better the higher priced offerings were. Also what was the shortcomings exactly, was it lag, lack of feel/info? Did it convey the slip angles like it should? Did it self align fast and precise? Was it sluggish, grainy, slow moving? Did it gave you the feeling of under/over steer in a clear manner? Thats the basic questions a review should have touched upon at least imho. ''Yes. For reasons mentioned above. Just because a wheel is "Direct Drive" doesn't mean it's automatically awesome. The software/firmware needs to be able to take advantage of it.'' And those reasons are still unclear to me. If you have time id love a more detailed explanation. ''I mentioned it in a previous live stream, but forgot to mention in the review. CSW 2.5 is faster, TSPC is slower.'' A side by side view would have been better cause as it is, I simply cant believe a DD (even a cheaper one) is slower than a belt system. ''Belt Drives were better, Higher Priced OSW was better. EXACTLY the same thoughts I reflected in the review'' Better in what way? Faster, smoother, more detailed, less notchy?
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Honestly Will..., A "Direct Drive Wheel" that produces over 150 degrees (F) of temperature is serious problem for me...!!! 😨 Thanks for the usual excellent review...!!! 👌 It is appreciated...!!! 👌👍😎
I'll keep my eyes and ears out for this company. But I'll proceed with my Plans to purchase Cswv2.5 a shifter v3 pedals and 2 wheels. That's over 15hundred dollars I could give to a better company but haven't found one yet
What a shame. I thought it would be the perfect option for southamerican simracers. It looks like we will have to save some more money and buy stronger direct drive wheels :(
Thanks for the review William, did you find much play in that bracket mount? And did you get any indication from simplicity of what their plan/roadmap is for the software? The drawbacks with the software are very clear and obvious if you do a quick internet search, I'm wondering if Ollie gave you any further info on that front.
Man it hould of been at least 12nm of power dsmn man that sux but hey still great for the price I mean its literally the same price as the csw v2.5 base not bad at all
@@comdrive3865 not 12 nm haha your funny now 20+nk can do some damage but 12 isnt that bad I use 8nm no problem at all and 12 nk is around where you want for a realistic experience I mean rsal drivers get more then that even your used to hesring about people using there dd wheels at like 80 or 90 percent with there 30nm wheels or 25 nm wheels again 12 nm is about perfect for a realistic experience 8 nk does the job but 7 for me is ok just I like a little more
@@reviewforthetube6485 Thanks chap. The bigger the wheel and base you have, the more inertia you have to counteract with torque, so what you could be thinking as 12nm is likely less. Some race cars only output 5nm of torque when measured
I want a desktop dd wheel that also does not lose detail at low ffb settings but also light enough to sit on a desk top,the future? I know hifi has the d class amp which are very heat efficient and small and cheap,wonder if dd wheels will not be so humungous and weighty in the future? These dd would sell like chips at a train station. A 5 nm desktop dd base that is lightweight and heat efficient but has no oscillations,no loss of detail through the ffb range,my ideal dd wheel. We are living in the milliniel age of sim gear,this wheel would have been gladly received 15 years ago but now a top of the line belt wheel is regarded as rubbish by younguns with first World problems today,we live in the me me gen.
Augury's GraniteDevices/Simucube Kit - Augury H with an 18nm Mige Peak Torque motor (slightly smaller than the Tiny Mige) Black Friday price is 828 euro's. Seems like a much better unit than this kit and has proven open source firmware & components. Pretty sure it won't have heat issues either. Its the kit "Sim Racing SKeijmel" uses. With that said, thanks for the review - was originally gonna buy one of Sim-Plicity's compact series but opted for SimRacingBay's Small Mige setup instead - didn't want to deal with teething problems.
I have had both a 9nm mini mige and now the Augury 18nm and the Augury is a lot better build quality and more power than I could ever use. + The 9nm version I had got extremely hot and cutting out too! The 9nm was from Simtech uk not simplicity though.
@@davebell771 .. I have been looking at the Augury 18nm and it does look like a great unit. How does it perform heat wise and is simcube software easy to learn or do i need a degree :D .. Also , did you purchase a rim thru Augury as part of your package ? I did notice they have packs where you can purchase a rim from a drop down box menu. If not, where did you get a rim / button box from ?
@@Pezby69 It depends how strong you set the nm on the base to how hot it will get. It can get warm to touch after hours of use, but not really hot like the super compact dd wheels do. It is an amazing setup and pretty much the same as the Small mige 20nm. I also have the Simracing Coach button plate and an OMP trecento wheel on it. SimUCUBE is really easy to setup and the settings are very easy too. It is as easy as buying a Logitech/Thrustamaster/Fanatec and downloading the software.
This wheelbase has some potential as you stated but doesn't sound like it's a very good option at this point. Thanks for the honest review William,
thanks for the review, as I asked you in a stream's chat couple days ago, I was about to go this way but I was most concerned with it not being "ready to play" but instead having to schedule a session to download firmware and driver, I do not have time to wait others to use any product due to work timing.
so I went with an OSW srbay 20nm, I guess I made a better deal.
great content as always, this is in my opinion one of the 3 most relevant sim racing yt channels.
keep going man, cheers from Italy :)
Thanks man! Means a lot!
You can not expect the SW7C to be as good as the more expensive and powerful SimuCUBE wheels and AccuForce.This wheel should be compared with CSW V2.5 and other wheels that are at the same price.71°C/160°F is not that much,if you leave T300/T-GT/CSL Elite/CSW V2.5 at full power without electronic overheat protection(which reduces the torque) and a fan to cool the electric motors, their electric motors will overheat over 80°C and they will be destroyed in less than one hour.
good to know that there aren't any ffb fade, the 2.4N holding torque was extremely worrying
Thanks for adding metric measurement !
Thanks for the time you took to review this but it seems like a rushed job. You keep comparing a 600 euros wheel to double the price offerings (even with Black Friday the Accuforce yourway comes in almost double the price due to customs and shipping and the SimRacinBay OSW is double priced as well). You compared a software thats in development for many years and with a large community behind it with an one man job. Did you try the differnet settings, what affect was there when messing around with them? You totally missed the price point or even the nm point comparison. You said it feels less of a DD when compared to a 20nm OSW which is to be expected and im really puzzled why you even mentioned it.You said you had problems with feeling the grip, in what way? Would a similar priced belt driven wheel provide more grip/tyre info? Did you try hotlaps in various sims to see if there was any change in lap times or not with other similar priced offerings? Did you try to check how fast the wheel self corrects or even drifts, compared to a CSW 2.5 or a Thrustmaster TSPC? Did you try different sims and what was the feeling compared to the belt driven wheels and the higher priced OSW? I think that if you answer even half of the above the review would have been better in portraying this product.
" You keep comparing a 600 euros wheel to double the price offerings (even with Black Friday the Accuforce your way comes in almost double the price due to customs and shipping and the SimRacingBay OSW is double priced as well)" - Since I don't know what the price for the Customs and Shipping for the AF are, let's just take the SimRacingBay (or SimPliCity) OSW example. 600 Euro vs 1,000 Euro. Not double the price. Augury's 18NM SimuCUBE OSW is on sale right now for 827 Euro (869 Euro not on sale). Just gotta research and you can find good prices ;)
"You compared a software that's in development for many years and with a large community behind it with an one man job." - YES! That's the POINT of a review... Compare what the company/person is offering to what is existing. I can't say "It's poorly done, but I'll give it a pass since it's just one person making it." My goal is to inform potential customers of what happens if someone purchases the product.
"Did you try the different settings, what affect was there when messing around with them?" - Yep. Talked about it a bit in the review. Also, if you want more detailed explanations, you can go to the live stream I did testing the wheel and went deeper into talking about the settings.
"You said it feels less of a DD when compared to a 20nm OSW which is to be expected and I'm really puzzled why you even mentioned it." - I'm puzzled, because I never said that. I said that, in some ways, this wheel is BETTER, and in some ways, this wheel is WORSE. As I mentioned in the review, the FFB issues come down to software, and how the driver/firmware translates forces.
"Would a similar priced belt driven wheel provide more grip/tyre info?" - Yes. For reasons mentioned above. Just because a wheel is "Direct Drive" doesn't mean it's automatically awesome. The software/firmware needs to be able to take advantage of it.
"Did you try to check how fast the wheel self corrects or even drifts, compared to a CSW 2.5 or a Thrustmaster TSPC?" I mentioned it in a previous live stream, but forgot to mention in the review. CSW 2.5 is faster, TSPC is slower.
"Did you try different sims and what was the feeling compared to the belt driven wheels and the higher priced OSW?" Belt Drives were better, Higher Priced OSW was better. EXACTLY the same thoughts I reflected in the review
@@Simracingpaddock ''Since I don't know what the price for the Customs and Shipping for the AF are, let's just take the SimRacingBay (or SimPliCity) OSW example. 600 Euro vs 1,000 Euro. Not double the price. Augury's 18NM SimuCUBE OSW is on sale right now for 827 Euro (869 Euro not on sale). Just gotta research and you can find good prices ;)''
The Augury has no VAT included so add to that 827€ 21% of VAT and the total is 1000,67€. The SRB comes at rooughly the same 1049€ tag. So its not double the price but 80% double.
''YES! That's the POINT of a review... Compare what the company/person is offering to what is existing. I can't say "It's poorly done, but I'll give it a pass since it's just one person making it." My goal is to inform potential customers of what happens if someone purchases the product.''
You said way too little regarding what the various parameters do and as for the comparison youre making a basic mistake. Whats the slot SW7+ comes in. At its price slot you have to compare it with a similarly priced CSW 2.5+ or TSPC. If you insist comparing it with other Dds then with almost half the price do you get half the DD feel? Do you think that you gave enough info about its software? If yes then disregard my comments. My take is that you didnt, but lets agree to disagree. I still believe your comparison was unfair to say the least.
I'm puzzled, because I never said that. I said that, in some ways, this wheel is BETTER, and in some ways, this wheel is WORSE. As I mentioned in the review, the FFB issues come down to software, and how the driver/firmware translates forces.
I probably remember you saying it in your live stram where you only talked about how better the higher priced offerings were. Also what was the shortcomings exactly, was it lag, lack of feel/info? Did it convey the slip angles like it should? Did it self align fast and precise? Was it sluggish, grainy, slow moving? Did it gave you the feeling of under/over steer in a clear manner? Thats the basic questions a review should have touched upon at least imho.
''Yes. For reasons mentioned above. Just because a wheel is "Direct Drive" doesn't mean it's automatically awesome. The software/firmware needs to be able to take advantage of it.''
And those reasons are still unclear to me. If you have time id love a more detailed explanation.
''I mentioned it in a previous live stream, but forgot to mention in the review. CSW 2.5 is faster, TSPC is slower.''
A side by side view would have been better cause as it is, I simply cant believe a DD (even a cheaper one) is slower than a belt system.
''Belt Drives were better, Higher Priced OSW was better. EXACTLY the same thoughts I reflected in the review''
Better in what way? Faster, smoother, more detailed, less notchy?
i build a small mige (20nm) simucube for 800€ but ok, these already build ones are a bit too much
@@UsernameInvalidsosna OSW is 1000 euro without VAT, its actually 1300 euro from SRB in total
@@UsernameInvalidsosna Νάσο καλησπέρα φίλε , με λίγα λόγια πιστεύεις αξίζει η αναβάθμιση απο t500rs ?Τα αγγλικά μου είναι σε άθλιο επίπεδο και την έχω πατήσει πολές φορές στο sim racing.
Ευχαριστώ
Thanks for reviewing this! I've been so curious...
Honestly Will..., A "Direct Drive Wheel" that produces over 150 degrees (F) of temperature is serious problem for me...!!! 😨 Thanks for the usual excellent review...!!! 👌 It is appreciated...!!! 👌👍😎
May I ask why is 160°F on DD wheel a serious problem?
I want the Fanatec Podium DD2....if it’s good. I’m already in the ecosystem and the ease of use and software is very compelling.
Would love to know if there was any improvement in the FFB felling and if a simple PC case fan would help with the overheating issues.
One thing I noticed is that the motor mount they provide has a lot of up down flex. Would help If you were using a P1 mount or similar
Correct me if I heard you wrong but did you say you run 10nm normally when driving. I thought my 2nm on my TMX was alot
Great & usable review William ;-)
Any plans to review the Accuforce?
I'll keep my eyes and ears out for this company. But I'll proceed with my Plans to purchase Cswv2.5 a shifter v3 pedals and 2 wheels. That's over 15hundred dollars I could give to a better company but haven't found one yet
Where to get that rim ?
What a shame. I thought it would be the perfect option for southamerican simracers. It looks like we will have to save some more money and buy stronger direct drive wheels :(
Thanks for the review William, did you find much play in that bracket mount? And did you get any indication from simplicity of what their plan/roadmap is for the software? The drawbacks with the software are very clear and obvious if you do a quick internet search, I'm wondering if Ollie gave you any further info on that front.
I can’t wait till shit like this is like a dfp today by that I mean an entry level period
Man it hould of been at least 12nm of power dsmn man that sux but hey still great for the price I mean its literally the same price as the csw v2.5 base not bad at all
Why do you need 12nm, you can rip your fingers off
@@comdrive3865 not 12 nm haha your funny now 20+nk can do some damage but 12 isnt that bad I use 8nm no problem at all and 12 nk is around where you want for a realistic experience I mean rsal drivers get more then that even your used to hesring about people using there dd wheels at like 80 or 90 percent with there 30nm wheels or 25 nm wheels again 12 nm is about perfect for a realistic experience 8 nk does the job but 7 for me is ok just I like a little more
@@reviewforthetube6485 Thanks chap. The bigger the wheel and base you have, the more inertia you have to counteract with torque, so what you could be thinking as 12nm is likely less. Some race cars only output 5nm of torque when measured
I want a desktop dd wheel that also does not lose detail at low ffb settings but also light enough to sit on a desk top,the future? I know hifi has the d class amp which are very heat efficient and small and cheap,wonder if dd wheels will not be so humungous and weighty in the future?
These dd would sell like chips at a train station.
A 5 nm desktop dd base that is lightweight and heat efficient but has no oscillations,no loss of detail through the ffb range,my ideal dd wheel.
We are living in the milliniel age of sim gear,this wheel would have been gladly received 15 years ago but now a top of the line belt wheel is regarded as rubbish by younguns with first World problems today,we live in the me me gen.
👏👏👏👏👏
Will’s content is even good
What, did you think I was gonna say it’s great?
Cause it is.
👍
Augury's GraniteDevices/Simucube Kit - Augury H with an 18nm Mige Peak Torque motor (slightly smaller than the Tiny Mige) Black Friday price is 828 euro's. Seems like a much better unit than this kit and has proven open source firmware & components. Pretty sure it won't have heat issues either.
Its the kit "Sim Racing SKeijmel" uses.
With that said, thanks for the review - was originally gonna buy one of Sim-Plicity's compact series but opted for SimRacingBay's Small Mige setup instead - didn't want to deal with teething problems.
I have had both a 9nm mini mige and now the Augury 18nm and the Augury is a lot better build quality and more power than I could ever use. + The 9nm version I had got extremely hot and cutting out too! The 9nm was from Simtech uk not simplicity though.
@@davebell771 .. I have been looking at the Augury 18nm and it does look like a great unit. How does it perform heat wise and is simcube software easy to learn or do i need a degree :D .. Also , did you purchase a rim thru Augury as part of your package ? I did notice they have packs where you can purchase a rim from a drop down box menu. If not, where did you get a rim / button box from ?
@@Pezby69 It depends how strong you set the nm on the base to how hot it will get. It can get warm to touch after hours of use, but not really hot like the super compact dd wheels do. It is an amazing setup and pretty much the same as the Small mige 20nm. I also have the Simracing Coach button plate and an OMP trecento wheel on it. SimUCUBE is really easy to setup and the settings are very easy too. It is as easy as buying a Logitech/Thrustamaster/Fanatec and downloading the software.
@@davebell771 Thanks mate. Appreciate your reply.