Don't Waste your Money - $30 vs $10,000 Racing Setup
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 พ.ค. 2024
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Alex wanted to build himself a new racing setup for his. So when we were given a chance to test out EA Sports WRC, we had to see how it held up to a budget racing wheel and our ultimate setup.
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Some of the hardware we used:
Next Level Racing GTLite Pro Foldable Racing Cockpit: geni.us/MVPA4
Logitech G27 Racing Wheel (on eBay): ebay.us/qcqqGL
Next Level Racing Lite Free Standing Monitor Stand: geni.us/XW7MskZ
Logitech K400 Plus Wireless Touch Keyboard: geni.us/sOKutvB
ANNX/MUGE RACING USB Handbrake: geni.us/5EZgu
Fanatic CSL DD Ready2Race WRC Bundle: lmg.gg/1hsNW
Sony DualSense Controller: geni.us/vWGfLG
ThrustMaster T80 Ferrari 488 GTB Edition: geni.us/JX49U
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Intro
1:25 The Basic
3:55 Driving the Basic Setup
5:15 PS5 Controller
7:10 Alex's Rig
9:44 Adorable Chiweenie Cameo
14:55 Linus Knows Cars Good
16:55 Driving Alex's Setup
20:38 "Upgrading" the Handbrake
22:56 THE ULTIMATE
24:40 Testing the Ultimate Setup
29:13 Which Setup was the Best? - เกม
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Niels Heusinkveld here (the pedals guy). Nearly spit out my coffee when I saw our pedals for the second time on LTT! And yes, definitely do not go 'ultra high end' unless this hobby really sinks its teeth into you. Once you are beyond help, all sorts of immersion improving hardware is available.. Oh and the throttle travel can be adjusted, as well as the initial pedal installation angle, so the pedal movement can be made comfortable for most heel angles and foot motions.
Hi again Niels 👋😄
how would one get some of your pedals to try out?
Some Mircocenters have sim rigs set up to demo. They may have some Heusinkvelds attached. @@jspesh
Those pedals are incredible
You make some damn fine equipment sir.
For 10 grand that thing better blow something else other than just my mind
😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Your back?
It better blow me, and blow me away for 10k
Bubbles
I'm at the start of the video and I want to say I really appreciate your transparency in showing exactly the talking points EA asked you to mention
I appreciated the transparency as well. It let me know I could stop watching immediately.
@@GordonBowater thats what it took to tell you? I dont trust anything from LTT anymore after the scandal, I dont think they can win me back after the truth came out about their methods, professionality, and especially Linus' response to it all. I unsubscribed, but they STILL wont stop recommending it... so I check it out from time to time, and its always the same... id rather watch any other tech youtuber, even if they are sponsored content. And I hate sponsored content... you could say my alter ego is Jimmy from South Park.
@@digitalphoenix72 why the hell are you in the comments of an LTT video in this case lmao
@@digitalphoenix72this is like, peak lame basement dweller energy
@@digitalphoenix72 then why are you watching?
Late to the party here, but I figure it's worth mentioning, you guys could totally do a video on arcade-style fight sticks for fighting games. Much like racing rigs, there's a ton of variety for a ton of price ranges. I bought my first one recently and there was a whole world of peripherals I had no idea about. Could be an interesting video.
Oh yea. I remember when I was really into fighting games about 5 years ago I completely customized a horizontal fight stick with sanwa buttons and new fight stick. Then built a fight stick from custom template for tekken with a korean style bat stick and switches. Such a beautiful fight stick I was gonna sell it but it is so pretty and my first ever built fight stick. I'm garbage at fighting games tho :5
Don't you think that's a bit too niche... Like more niche than even racing. - I'd be fine with it, it's not that I'm "against" it, but I'm not sure how useful that would be for a channel like this. - Then again, they do a lot of stuff, and perhaps someone like Anthony or... I don't know, someone who might be into it could weigh in. - But for someone like me, it's simple: *buys 8BitDo Arcade Stick*
@@michaelmonstar4276 Not necessarily all too niche. SF4 sold million quantities, and lots of people play with a basic gamepad. There has been a mild resurgence in the genre, while racing is sort of on the decline.
There are also inexpensive and accessible ways to go about it to get some really decent fight game controls, if you can make a plywood box, or learn to in a weekend with basic tools, you can build your own for very cheap, and there's any number of manufacturers for any budget. You can also add built vs bought competition and things going wrong for general entertainment. Racing best you can do on a tiny budget is DFGT and that just doesn't make for great video entertainment.
I want the test to be on street fighter 4 doing a dragon punch FADC into Ultra or no test at all lol
@@michaelmonstar4276 Not really. The fighting game scene is quite big around the world, where most players use peripherals other than standard controlers
Something for potential buyers to consider is that the resale value of most of these sim racing setups is quite high. I bought my T300 with pedals for 300 and about three years later when I upgraded to a direct drive wheel sold it again for 250.
I can second that, sold my thrustmaster tx for the same price I bought it
How did you like your T300? I'm thinking of getting the T300 RS or perhaps a T248 with their new cheaper shifter (TH8S) and a Wheel Stand Pro at some point. There's better, sure, but I'd only use it occasionally.
Because of the pandemic, this was true. itll be less true as time goes on
... Damn, that was a killer price for a T300RS... 😳🤯 It's still like ≈$400 today (so like ≈$430 shipped off Amazon). Aka, a price at which point as a circa 2015 belt-drive design it's COMPLETELY not even worth CONSIDERING anymore when the proper direct drive Fanatec CSL DD Ready2Race bundle is just ≈$510 shipped or ≈$540 w/ the desk mount. 🤷 (Aka at MOST just +$100 more than the T300RS, or even less if you have a sim-racing frame.)
The ONLY reason to consider a T300 in the modern era is if you're a PlayStation player first & foremost, where the ≈4.5nm belt-drive $450 T300RS GT could arguably be the better choice over the $700 ≈5nm direct drive Gran Turismo DD Pro (aka the PlayStation compatible version of the CSL DD, but who's cheapest bundle is literally +$300 more [$700 vs $400] because Fanatec knows that unlike on PC they have a mostly captive market on PS compatible direct drive.)
it is solid but for 400€ you can get a direct drive with Fanatec. there is no more comparison..@@dystopiawanderer
The actual trauma on Linus' face when he hit the pedestrian when he crashed on the safari stage is a testimony to the quality of the game. I laughed so loud I almost doubled over.
Gruppe B style
What about that made you laugh?
@@paulct91 The fact that he ran into a CLEARLY FAKE person in a VIDEO GAME, yet was GENUINELY aghast, as if it were real. That's what's funny about it.
accurate Group B experience
so good you "woo" jumping- the face turn!
For the midrange setup, it definitely makes more sense to buy a Thrustmaster T300 or TMX. The Logitech racing wheels are arguably worse at a similar pricepoint, as they use gears for force feedback, whereas the Thrustmaster wheels use a belt drive. As someone who has tried both a G29 and owns a TMX, the TMX is better by a LONG SHOT.
Also, for the rolling backwards on the cheap setup with a chair, I have a pair of Vans shoes for extra special occasions, and since I haven't used them in months (it's winter) I washed them and put the wheel casters into the shoes 😂👍
The TMX uses a mix of belts and gears as it is the xbox equivalent to the T150, not the T300
@@nacltoxic Ah, didn't know that. Still smoother than the logitech tho
@@can_with_beans Fanatec ready to race CSL DD bundle is even better lmao
old tennis balls cut in half :)
i use a second chair to hold my chair in place
As somebody with a high end racing setup (for iRacing) I can totally agree that you get what you pay for. The statement about more sensory inputs is dead on - being able to FEEL things - like the rear end sliding out, or going over the bumps or loss of traction, etc. It makes SOOOO much difference in terms of feeling what the car is doing and being able to react. The immersion level just goes off the charts. I run in VR though as I find it better than running triples (and takes up less space).
My setup:
Fanatec CSL DD (w/boost kit)
Fanatec Clubsport V3 pedals w/the dampers and the different inserts
Fanatec F1 V1 wheel (have the new V2.5x on order)
Fanatec Clubsport Shifter
Fanatec Clubsport Handbrake V1
DoF Reality H3 3-axis motion rig
SRS 6 transducer shake kit
HP Reverb V2 VR headset
And a pair of custom built button boxes (by me...)
I started out with just a basic crap wheel (similar to the first one showed) with no FFB and I couldn't drive at all with it. Then I got the Fanatec Porsche Turbo S setup which I used for 3 years. Then upgraded the pedals to the V3s. Then bought a used Fanatec Clubsport V2.0 base and the F1 wheel... and so on...
Point is, if you aren't sure you're going to do it a lot, you can have plenty of fun with a G25/27/29 setup, and then upgrade over time if you get into it hard core.
Was waiting for a VR headset enthusiast to jump in. It's so much more immersive than the 3 monitor setup...
@@AdamKontrasthat can kind of be a bad thing though…
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve gone to grab the shifter in the actual car before realizing the one in real life is somewhere else… and by the time I realize that I’m already done with the corner I was supposed to downshift for lol
Mike!!! How long have you had the DoF rig?! I've been eyeing the H2, but was worried about issues with it down the road because its not built in my country and shipping is expensive! H3 is on sale right now though
Not being funny. I can feel the bumps and know when traction is lost playing Forza on old xbox with a controller. And yes it's felt, my controller does in fact vibrate.
I am jealous though. Wish I had the money 😂
I'd have racing rig, aswell as a flight cockpit for StarCitizen.
@@chrishammer5925couple years now... Unfortunately I haven't used it as much as I'd like to - had some medical issues that made racing difficult and just been really busy, but about to get back into it.
I'm in the USA... and while some folks don't get hit with import duties, I did (like $80). It was an experience building it, I made a lot of mods along the way, but I'm fairly mechanically inclined. If you have a hard time with building Ikea furniture, don't bother, or find somebody to help you.
I definitely like the motion though. Makes the whole experience that much more engaging, especially since I drive in VR. Really feel like I'm in the car.
I know the trend is 'cheapest vs. most expensive' but I really appreciate the 'bang for the buck' setup thrown in there as well
i was shocked to se the same wheel I have in there, i got mine from my dad litrally ~7 years ago for my 16th bday and he used it before that. Mine is the G25.
There is better options than G27 though
@@De-M-oN I'm listening
@@doslover mmhmm me too. My decade old wheel is waiting...lol
Cheapest vs most expensive just makes no sense and has been a personal hatred of me. They get the cheapest car off the Scrapyard that'll still run just to the next town (30 $ steering wheel) but without door, only gears 3 and 5 and compare that to.... a Bugatti "(Watch now for Unexpected ending!!!)"
Props to LTT for putting the sponsor talking points in the video, that's super cool and transparent of them
I'm paused reading them too lol
"match made in heaven"
yeah, right
Industry Plant
it's kind of funny to read tbh, like I know this is just what advertising is, but the "it's a match made in heaven" sounds so full of itself it sounds like it was written as a joke. But also, I appreciate that they're allowing ltt to work the sponsorship into the content in a way that doesn't get in the way of the main content, bumper ads are so asinine and annoying tbh, nobody watches them and they're annoying to skip.
@@jarbarsiyou say that, but it was extremely obvious and jarring any time they went into a talking point
Really enjoying WRC, similar to Dirt Rally 2.0 only with much more accessibility. A second hand Logitech wheel is how most of us get into sim racing. Bonus tip for those playing on their PC chair; try swapping the wheels out for glide castors to keep in place
wheels on chairs are absoluely ridiculous
Or just put a shoe with a grippy sole facing backwards on each wheel.
@@PazLeBon How else are you gonna drive around...
Good tip about the wheels/castors! Personally, I cut some random old thick printer cable in half, tied them into circle-shapes, and put them under the wheels that are facing toward the back of my computer chair. It's a thick cable, somewhat grippy plastic, keeps those wheels from turning. My chair stays rock solid even when I'm braking hard, but it's still easy enough to push around. I leave them there all the time
@@ThatGuyFromDetroit lmao they are just s adumb idea to use from day one. get a proper comfy sofa type chair
Sim racing is soo much fun. About half a year ago I got my Logitech G923 and iRacing. Since then, I’ve had a great time. It feels so good to see your progress and also it makes for a lot of awesome content. A really nice and expensive rig would be awesome, but if you can’t afford it, a budget rig can absolutely get you out there and you can be competitive with it. I’m not the best sim racer on the track, but I’ve absolutely got some wins and am so glad I finally got to give it a try. Highly recommend trying if you have the opportunity.
Just remember. Heros are made in turn 1
Thank you to whoever put the talking points on screen @ 0:26 I'm a big fan of this and it does not reduce from the sponsorship messaging.
Agreed! It honestly helps a lot :)
The short message actually made me read and think about it much more than if they had simply directly read it all out loud :D
Fan of what? Of paid ads shoved down your throat in every video on youtube? So you want more? Ew
I think the VR setup time is totally worth it imo it is easier for me to drift being able to look out the windows.
100% I use a valve index and I find it far more immersive and personally I can’t stand the breaks in monitors even with the blend corners they make for triples, and moza r9 with srp pedal set, Heusinkveld sequential shifter, track racer frame/seat all was about 3100-3200 usd not including the computer I have. But I also have a real drift car as well, having sim equipment were you mimick your real world cars really helps but at the same time you don’t need to most expensive top of the line stuff to do it either.
Yeah but this sponsored game doesn't have VR.
I have the 1st gen oculus rift, and a logitech g920. Does the job for me,
@@zachr369
Agreed, the extra bit of immersion is absolutely incredible. It can be a bit of a pain sometimes because of the occasional VR hiccup. But I converted my rig to be VR only a few years ago and have no plans to go back to triples anytime soon.
Yes! Not a racing game, but Euro Truck Simulator is sooo much better in VR with a full wheel setup. Without VR it is a pain to setup a good control setup to look around
when i was a kid i had a playseat (racing seat) with a g25, playing mostly need 4 speed on ps2. good video showing good setups
I had that EXACT wheel as my first one, and I paid 3 times the amount (I belive it was 89.95) for it.
My main issue with it was the fact that the cable to connect the pedals to the setup were right underneath the pedals. Basically, a LOT of force got put on that cable and eventually, after around 2 weeks, it had snapped, making the pedals useless.
PS: I still have the wheel, but I dont use it anymore
Pro tip - if you have a sim rig on hard wood floors, put two of your chairs wheels into a pair of shoes. Chair will not move lol
wouldnt that ruin the shoes tho
@@In.Another.Universe surprisingly no depending on the shoes. I've always worn skate shoes so they are a bit sturdier than running shoes.
@@In.Another.Universe Everyone has shoes that they never wear 😄
Thrift stores are full of shoes being sold for $0.50 👍
What I did for mine is that I got a flat metal bar and duct taped one end to the bottom of the pedals, then made a loop out of duct tape on the other end. Put one of the five "arms" of your chair through the loop, center that arm behind you, and bang - the pedals are always the exact right distance away from the chair
13:47 Alex mentions brightness being an issue and needing to use the OSD to fix this, if it's purely brightness you can use an application like Twinkle Tray, which allows you to turn down the brightness, volume, and even power via an application instead of the menu; most newer monitors should support this though some older ones might have issues. I used to use this to link two monitors brightness levels together so I can just adjust it for night time.
Twinkle tray is best app ever honestly, I was looking for this comment, hope Alex will level up is brightness game 😁
Exactly, I use an app called monitorian to control the brightness of my windows machine. No extra cables are needed other than the normal HDMI or Display Port cable. KDE Linux has that feature built in by default and it's great. Idk why it is not just a base windows feature. It just uses DDC/CI which has been around since the 90s
f.lux, free open source, works like a charm, even with Hue Lights
In addition to this, for the color temperatures, f.lux can work wonders. Especially if he's mostly changing various settings based on time of day and such, a lot of those changes can be automated.
I wonder why nobody makes display with built in light sensor like almost every laptop, I have this on my iMac since 15 years but I don't have any way to reproduce this on my desktop pc...
I have the Logitech G29 for my PS5, and I love it. I turn the force feedback up, to improve feedback. I don't know I will ever spend more on a wheel, but I will be adding a shifter, and handbrake. And I will be getting a seat mount w/o monitor, as I have 43" TV I play on -- although that's the great thing about this, we have freedom to change our minds as we go. I have been learning GranTourismo, and have had lots of fun playing The Crew Motofest .
i like it how you guys both played it down how much you know about simracing
Sim racing is probably the best gaming experience you can get. The immersion you get from VR and FFB is phenomenal. I run in former title from codemasters all the time and it never gets dull. Hope we are getting VR support for WRC soon.
I think it really depends because the same could be argued for flight sim just requirements for VR are harder to get into than sim racing
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I can't wait for a proper commercial flight sim model, where you can SIMULATE flying upside down n stuff.
@@audiokrak9598 I agree. Flight-sim too is great game to play in VR. I have monster-tech rigs set up for playing DCS.
Sadly however, the feedback tactility is not as good as car-sims even with bass shaker and stuff.
While you can put T-300 on a desk and it’s almost as good as home cockpit in terms of immersion if you have VR. No MFDs no UFCs, only a decent set of wheel and pedals.
Hell I say if you put entry racing seat into the mix and you’ll easily surpass a hardcore home cockpit.
I envy the ease of access and popularity of car-sims, as I am more of a sim pilot rather than a sim driver.
@@Johan-di6mdthere is enough of that.
The vr is beyond worth the setup, the immersion, the depth perception coming into corners, being able to see out the side windows when youre sliding, it just makes it so much better
The only game I've consistently used it in is Assetto Corsa via Content Manager, but I haven't had any issues after setting it up the first time. It's worked fine in a couple of other titles the little bit I used it too. TV/Monitors can definitely be an immersive killer arcade experience that some people might even prefer. VR on the other hand is as close to the real thing as you can get to driving like a maniac without causing yourself serious bodily hard.
Having played Dirt something in VR.... it can become a puke machine very fast. Its fun while you're doing flat asphalt circuit stuff, but on bumpy curvy roads I had to take off the VR set within minutes and was feeling shit the rest of the week.
I also imagine it's way cheaper than setting up and mounting 3 huge screens
@MrRoeltej I don't tend to get those issues, it really just depends on the person. I've spent a few thousand hours in vr by now and I'm largely unphased by weird motion stuff
@LashanR ya it's just kind of an all around win imo
I made a simple setup like Alex has a few years ago for my brother and man it's tons of fun for a reasonable cost and having a force feedback wheel is a workout but also fun.
I have a full race setup with a single screen. Fanatec inverted pedals and shifter complement my very old but reliable and trusty (and cheap) G25 that I bought new so many years ago. My speakers are built into the rig for full surround and a powerful sub delivers a bone rattling experience if you want it. I've been wanting a setup like this since the mid 90s and finally got it put together around 2019. BUT I find myself just going back to a controller for all my racing needs. It's way easier and I can pretend well enough to get lost in a game without having to don my actual shoes to operate my insanely realistic pedals.
Okay…please do this same video but with flight sims!!!
It genuinely makes me smile ear to ear as a sim racer to see Linus making more racing content
Copy that! I love that sim racing is getting more popular!
It makes me nervous, the he will talk about things he don't know anything about...
Absolutely!
I always thought a force feedback wheel would be expensive, I didn't know a sub $1000 option was available to make it not feel like a "video game".
Racing is the only type of gaming I can ever get into.
@@AlwaresHUNI feel that everybody gets that from watching the video. And it's quite the norm for Linus to dive into stuff he doesn't know anything about. My take is that he's portraying the "beginners point of view" and more or less bradcasting a concept to the masses. I'm fairly certain mpst viewers are at a similar point as Linus, but now they'll dip their toes into it because they liked what they saw. To me that's a good thing.
I have a really similar setup to Alex just a different chair brand, as someone who doesn't play often but when I do I really get into it, makes sense for me.
You should have included testing the gyro in the PS5 pad. I found my DS4 tilt control to be a really good free substitute before I got my wheel. It's amazingly accurate
VR is incredible for racing in particular. Very surprised at Alex's take. Glad it got some callout though, and glad its coming to WRC.
I was never into racing sims untill I got a VR headset. got Dirt Rally on a steam sale and now I have a full sim rig....
it really is a game changer in the most literal way...
When they reviewed the weird "personal cinema" headset with Luke -- Alex said that it made him very queasy ("it's like 20 beers") and there was no way he was putting the thing back on. Maybe he just doesn't get on well with VR headsets.
@@Metal_Maxine When it comes to VR, having your IPD dialed in and correct is the key (especially for me). If the IPD is off even a little bit, I get massive headaches and can't stand the experience. I use a HP Reverb G2, and I've never regreted buying it (basically at launch).
Me and my brother mostly do circuit racing (just for fun!) but we both were instantly faster when we started using vr (that was when the original vive was new) compared to using monitors, especially on tracks that we rarely do. What makes the difference for us is that the image is where you look at. Because of this we can aim the car much better.
So yeah, i don´t get Alex' (and Linus' for that matter - vr always simply worked for me after the initial setup) point there either. The improvement in immersion and driving precision is definitely worth the extra setup time. And it takes up way less space than a monitor - let alone a three monitor - setup.
I threw up when I tried vr haha😢
It's cool to see not just the cheapest possible and craziest setup, but to also see what you get on a very reasonable setup. I wish LTT would show those more.
The second set up was a low middle of the road set up.
I feel like they do that a lot tho.
Yeah the mid tier was the Logitech g29 with force feedback
@@middelz2g29 definitely is low end now
Mid range now is like moza r9 or csl dd
Except this guy doesnt really knwo anything about sim racing. G29 is the very low end of gear. Not the lowest but almost.
Awesome! I feel late to the party over the hair bands on the shifter for an E-brake- Genius idea!! I've been using an old flight stick for the e-brake.
For 10k i better be getting a car
You get all the cars.
@@MarcoDGallego 🗣🔥
well be getting a Miata with this one 🔥🔥🔥
The Peugeot 205 T16 had a big turbo, so you had to keep the revs up to be fast. That's why at the start of the stage you have to pull the handbrake and floor it. You could see the turbo kick in after a few seconds due to starting at low rev range :)
Happiest I've seen Alex been without a hint of worry in his face lmao
I love seeing Alex acting like a big kid.
I'm just glad to see Alex in video that I can remember. It's been rare to see him lately.
G27 owner here, if you do get one, you are going to want to replace the optical encoder wheel inside, it will crack over time and when you make fast turns your steering wheel will start to go further and further to one side, its not too difficult to replace, just time consuming. its ~30$ for a metal one. another issue i have had with mine is the potentiometer in the pedals drifting. you just need to clean it out with some isopropyl alcohol and itll work.
Ive had my G27 for around a decade and that stupid wheel broke on me 3 days ago. I glued it together and got some of the glue in the notches and its all haywire lol
Waiting for my metal wheel to show up in the mail.
That’s what I started with and a play seat challenge. Now I got an ASR4 sim rig and all simagic perfs. Alpha P1000 pedals and handbrake and sequential shifter. I love the new Neo GT wheel!
I had a racing wheel that still used serial. Needless to say, when I finally got around to getting a place to set it up, it didn't work on anything newer than Win 2000 and no games worked with it. But it DID have force feedback!
To be honest on 25:31 it pretty historically accurate for group B rally.😂
25:37 Don't worry, the cameraman never dies.
Sat here reminiscing over all the hours I put into Sega Rally Championship. There used to be a bank of 4 arcade cockpits in this bar we went to in uni.
I’ve had a thrustmaster t80 for around a year and a half , and it may not have the best turning angles and fbb , but if your a budget I def recommend it .
We need a dedicated video of Alex driving full stages on the motion rig
against Jake who also is a sim racer. Its sad Linus himself does not like to race.
Make no mistake ... the brake pedal is where it's at. Having a good brake pedal can really give you an advantage. The wheel, after having Force Feedback in general is a slight improvement from geared FF to belt FF to Direct drive. Also having a fly off handbrake if you want to drift or go rallying really helps. If you go GT3 or F1 the wheel's switches become more important so you can adjust the settings on the fly. Especially if you drive in VR, which is a very good alternative to 3 screens. If you start building a serious rig, and you can't afford all the stuff at the same time (like me) I think it is best to start with a rigid and moddable frame. So as you improve your rig you still can use the same frame for all your extentions and improvements.
Next Level Racing has products that integrate with each other as you upgrade your set-up all the way to motion seats.
But the most important thing is comfort and health, i damaged my back bone and the bone in the middle of the butt( i don't know what it's called in English) because im too immersed and sitting too long sim racing in a bad posture in a cheap badly designed chair
I had a G290 wheel and I'll tell you that it makes way more difference having a range than resistance. I race on my friend's Thustmaster and the brake pedal has good gradual resistance but I could set better times on my rig just knowing the range. (I removed the rubber block) Also, Pro Tip, we like to keybind the handbrake to left paddle, since we exclusively use the H-pattern.
@@PikemanLures For me muscle memory works better than pedal travel. And it is way closer to real driving. I can translate everything into real driving except for the G-forces. But they give me additional information so. Driving fast in reality is easier than in sim ... for me at least (Since I feel no fear, when I think, I know what I'm doing).
I only use H-pattern for Cars that use H in reality. When there's paddles in the real thing, I use paddles. I even use 3 different wheels for 3 different kinds of cars. A clean one for Drift, Rally or Oldtimers, an average wheel with a few butons and paddles for street legal cars and the fanatec Mclaren GT3 for modern race cars.
Brake pedal is more important than gear vs belt vs DD. Throttle pedal is strangely not usually a problem, which is a bit odd since you need a lot more finesse with it.
linus looking up to try to see over the on screen dash is hilarious
btw linus i also have problems running hardware on software
nice video. one pointer would be to close the monitor gap on the triples setup. you'll still have the bezels but the image being as seamless as it can be, will help with immersion. got exposed to sim racing about 3 years ago. i've been addicted ever since!
For seeing this video in consideration of the changes y'all have made with processes after the pause, I'm impressed. The genuine enthusiasm, the editor commentary to reduce any confusion or misinterpretation of context, the awareness of other content and previous videos...I'm genuinely impressed. The quality has gotten a ton better and the video doesn't feel rushed, well done!
Seriously? For me this video looked more like a full-on ad rather than a good balanced video.
"Hey Linus, how about you build your own car in the game? Oh wow look at all the options."...
@@officerrambo i dont even know what game this is by the end of it
@@officerramboit's very clearly an ad, and I'm not blind to that fact. If I were to compare this video to something in the past before the GN call to action, I would not have anticipated clearer editor commentary and wider awareness of options in the market for watchers. It's entertaining, and informs the audience more than their past releases...as for calling it a "good balanced video", that can be super subjective and isn't my expectation 🤷
@@officerrambo Tbh, that's usually my reaction when I'm starting a new game and am suddenly presented with a series of things to pick from with several options that look like they matter, especially when I was expecting to go straight into a match or whatever
I got into sim racing during 2020 while being off work. I got the TM T300 RS GT. Built my own rig. Realized that it was something I thoroughly enjoyed. Bought the NLR F-GT and haven't looked back. It's a fantastic mid-tier setup. One thing I think is worth mentioning, when you set-up - be sure to reference proper ergonomics - especially if you become an enthusiast like myself. Musculoskeletal injuries are not worth it.
yes they are :)
I have a DOF 3 degree setup and I don't have injuries... if you do you need to be hitting the gym and not sitting in a chair racing.
@@thomgizziz They're talking about injuries that result from poor ergonomic situations. If you spend hours and hours in a bad seating position you can give yourself back problems, nerve pain, other nagging "overuse" type injuries that could happen whether you're in good physical shape or not. But yes going to the gym is good too.
he TM T300 is a great little wheel to get into sim racing, you made a great choice. I will say, the pedals TM where never up to much good but certainly do the job. Fanatec have a pretty cheap pedal set called the "CSL Elite" that when combined with an adapter, will take that T300 to the next level. The pedals cost roughly around $65/€59.99/£52. They feel ridged as anything and allow for a lot smoother throttle and break application. You can even take those pedals I mentioned even further by buying a loadcell kit for them.
@@ross302cias a single dad of 4 with custody I work out but drive forklift for a living and that shit compresses my back so much that I practice stretches and techniques when I jump off my lift…and some back cracking or stretching techniques that I found on TH-cam where a godsend….but by Friday I’m sore and tense and the weekend I heal up…it’s not the worst pain, but proper posture and seating is key….
2:03 - Exactly, that's what I figured instead of removing it every time I'm done playing. It's actually nice, because the height I have my chair at was slightly uncumf where the edge of the seat sticks into my upper legs, even though it has a cushioned edge. - Point being, the pedalboard is not in the way at all, but actually helps a bit.
Hey LT I’ve been a long time fan. Since ncix, this is a great video after a long time. Enjoyed you enjoying this
I genuinely have never been interested in WRC but after watching this I now want to play it in a full cockpit 😂
This looks more fun than 95% of the games out now.. only 10k (awww dam!)
me too I want one!
I think this game might get me to get a VR headset
I mean honestly if It wasn't for sim racing I wouldn't even be playing my PC that much....
and the advertising was successful 🤣
I have to add that Fanatec's CSL DD bundle which includes the motor base, the steering wheel, and pedals is $400 which is really great value for how nice for how high quality they are. If you are getting into sim racing and think that you will get into it, I highly recommend this bundle and to put it on a cockpit like what Alex has.
Except the horrible QC from Fanatec, if you're on pc only I would rather get a moza base or simagic alpha mini.
@@Broodjemetbeleg reasons for that? Ive been shopping around for a new Wheel setup and was looking at that Fanatec are they known to have issues?
I have the DD, and the QC is good. I want to upgrade to the 8nm power pack. I like the newer versions too without the goofy wrc theme like I have.
@@thumperstick Just because your unit is good doesn't mean there isn't QC issues. Most brands has
well duh, but mine IS good. so I shared my personal experience after actually buying the product. also it has a warranty and a return policy. It's a good deal for $349. I've owned it for over a year and it is as precise feeling as the day I bought it and I use it multiple times a week. It's a direct drive wheel, it has 1 moving part inside of it. the pedals have also been very durable and well constructed. so seriously, what exactly is your point besides pointing out the obvious? @@xwiick
That ultimate setup plus Big Screen beyond VR sounds like a dream
Loved the video and loved the Edison motors cap
Yes! We need more racing sim content!! There are tons of people looking to get their first setup and while there is a lot of information out there, it's all over the place and not always focused on beginners or those looking to upgrade their experience.
you should probably look for channels that focus on sim racing rather than channels that makes random sim racing videos for fun if you are serious about getting into sim racing, try boosted media for example they have a video series on gear advice for beginners
@@hyde129do you have any suggestions? Brand new to this stuff
@@leewickert9523 depending on your budget and space, I would say the Moza r5 bundle + next-level gtelite pro (total cost ~800usd) would set you up for a pretty decent beginner sim racing experience and you can upgrade from there if you decide to commit into the hobby, again I would recommend getting some sim racing basic knowledge from other sim racing channels on yt before making a purchase decision
Best beginner wheel to me would ba a Thrustmaster T300 @@leewickert9523
Fanatec one costs only 450$ as a DD bundle, not that bad
22:52 baited me into thinking it was going to be a sponsor segment in a sponsored video lol
ive got a thrustmaster t300 with the clutch peddal cause i do drifting and use clutch kick to get into some of the drifts, i highly recommend that wheel its an awesome mid range racing wheel setup, also if your wheel doesnt have a marker on the top you can put some tape there, you can see when your wheel is straight and how much your steering better, it helps alot
I've been using a g29 wheel for over a year now and it's a great investment if you like sim racing. No where near as fancy as some of the higher end stuff but it does it's job well.
Yeah anything in the 1000s just isn’t necessary if your not a pro lol a desk and racing chair with the g29 is more than enough
its still $300 way too expensive. no way i wanna spend that much to play driving sims
@@bigsumms3182for sim racing on a pc, you’d want at least a 5nm wheel (or direct drive in general) if you plan on doing any kind of driving other than basic road (grip) driving
@@talal3c if it's between spending a couple of hundred and spending thousands for a full setup - a couple of hundred is way more affordable to get into the hobby. If that's too much for you - that's fine.
For real, a vr setup and a Logitech g29 combo has made for some of the most fun gaming sessions I've ever had. And the sweat is no joke, I have yet to find another gaming experience that makes me sweat and stresses me out the way that a racing wheel and VR headset has. Good stress though. That competitive effort sweat, not anxiety and stress sweat
g920 but same setup, Honestly, I play without vr and with, I find Im the same in both,
Thrill of the fight is way more intense
I actually find that playing sim racers with pedals and wheel in VR makes me much better at the game, thanks to the added awareness it gives me.
On a single monitor the view I have is so restricted I end up driving much more cautiously.
It'd be interesting to see staff try both and see how they fare.
Definitely. VR adds a huge amount, probably as much as a ff wheel. I'm still using basic fanatec csl pedals tho. Really need to upgrade them.
For me it's the 3D effect that lets me judge when to brake way better.
I used to exclusively play in vr but now that WRC doesn't have vr it's actually not as bad. I think VR made a huge difference when I was new but now I'm kinda digging the easier setup. Still looking forward to when they add VR for the immersion factor.
VR really hits that itch, with fov and free look. Be it racing or American trucking. You don't need 4k big format gaming monitors.
Same. My senses are heightened in VR and I feel more consistent in my lap times.
Pxn v10 force feedback wheel is a great starter setup with many of the features you'd find in expensive setups. It also comes with a 6 speed shifter, 3 aluminum pedals, removable/moddable wheel, and rotates 900 or 250° with a switch (depending on the kind of racing you're doing). Leagues above the Ferrari one they feature here, and only costs $250. I love it so far, cant say without trying but just by looking it also is better than the "mid-tier" hardware they used.
I am a massive Rally fan and would LOVE one of these set ups! But i just bought a Subi instead
The Ferrari Spyder thrustmaster barely worked with any of my many racing games. It did 7 years ago, but now Forza was the only one I had that worked reliably. The crew kinda almost worked.
Can I ask what platform were you using mine worked perfect on xbox and when I sold the xbox I used it on pc until windows 11 came and basically bricked it
@@Roach420 I'm on PC and yeah I completely understand the Xbox one is for Xbox and the PlayStation one is for PlayStation. The Xbox one is compatible with PC but on a case by case basis because of Xinput.
There was a review that said it didn't work on the newer Xbox or something similar to it being case by case as well
I have the Ferrari edition in my basement. Poor fella. It only had a life with Forza and Xbox One. The Logitech force feedback GT still runs with my PS3 and gets all the love
Showing the sponsorship reqs is the best thing I've seen on youtube in a long time.
Imagine you sell a cheap PC wheel on facebook market place just to have your feet in a LTT video with over 2 million people having seen it.
I have an old steering wheel with a gearstick,handbrake and 2 pedals. It may be old but whenever I use it I's not too bad. Fun fact!! The Austrathe WRC was supposed to be Northern Rivers of NSW in the Kyogle area but if I can recall due to protests of possible disturbance of local wildlife, WRC was moved to Coffs Harbour NSW.
My dad built his piloting/racing setups structure out of wood and it works fantastic, it's even adjustable!
Went from g27 to t300rs for drifting. Its more quick to rotate, not having dead zone in a middle, more smooth, not as loud. Force feedback is much stronger.
I would say both wheels are great for the price. Using it with quest 2 and never going back to monitor setup, the immersion is next level.
Drifting on Asseto Corsa?
@@reanukeevesauyes, assetto corsa, vdc cars
I just switched from vr to a large triple screen set up and can agree that vr is great but a large properly set up triple screen set up is so much easier to just get in and drive.
I too do drifting in assetto maybe I'll catch your door sometime online
We got a ps2 at home and got the original wrc 4 ps2 special. With them controllers, that was the best feeling game Ive played in years
Love my budget G29 setup :), one thing that's great about them is the damn durability, thing is a tank and it will let you leave it for a year, dust it off and go right back to it with no issues. Wheels are also great in that all FFB wheels self calibrate when starting up (anyone with a FFB wheel knows the spin lol), so they will never drift.
Thing to note is Logitech uses a gear set up for their wheels (beyond the Direct Drive wheel) and Thrustmaster uses a belt system. Belts are usually much quieter and there's more fidelity for around the same cost as a logitech wheel. Have a look at 2nd hand T300 or the slightly higher end TS-PC/TS-XW.
Or used fanatec csl/ club sport wheels from the real "hard core" users upgrading to direct drive.
Moza R3 bundle. Probably the best bang for buck wheel and pedal set out there. Direct drive, with support for PC and Xbox!
@@elbowsout6301 Always thought the R3 was just too weak. My TM TSXW puts out like 6NM and that's a belt.
Equally if you can get a good deal it's a must, I do know the Moza wheel mods are ridiculously pricey compare to say Thrustmaser T818.
I don’t have any complaints about the gear set up :D
@@BarkerVancity That has nothing to do with motor, it was the cooling fans that had issues, basically just replace with a small noctua and you good. Alternatively get the T300 because they had fixed it by then
This video gave me the old ltt vibes, Linus reactions and explanations so fun
I have that exact chair, next level with g29 wheel. So much fun, and I can tuck it away after playing. Has wheels even to roll it around lol
Now this is a great video, thank you 🤗💪💯
I would love to see a similar video for flight sims! Need to see Linus attempt to land a 747 or A380
Or fly the UH-1H in DCS
I never comment on LTT videos, but this was just so fun and enjoyable to watch! Thanks to you all!
Yeah! I love the editor of this video too.
I agree this video was fun af!
can confirm this was fun
Fanatec one costs only 450$ as a DD bundle, not that bad
Love to see the logitech keyboard- I still have mine too!
Hey man and don't forget to test it in VR this gives you another 100% feeling on top. Because it's 3D and more like sitting in a car than in front of a frosted screen.
Would love to see one of these for flight sims assuming there's someone on staff in that niche.
As a flight simmer the near complete lack of VR adoption in the racing sim community baffles me. There are a few fuds in the flight sim community who swear by monitors, but VR has been pretty widely adopted. Widespread use of force feedback is cool though, it's rare and expensive in flight sims
Id love to see them go through mouse and keyboard, controller, VKB gladiator, virpil constellation and tell us their impression of each setup. Whether it's dual stick or stick and throttle (with or without pedals for both)
@@jonathanpatry Make sure to have someone inside the niche host it then; going from 0 to 100 adds so much useful functionality and ease-of-life things that a random person simply wouldn't appreciate or know how to judge. Much easier with sim racing since everyone has driven a car
How do you like using flight sim accessories in VR? I'm mostly into the truck sims ATS/ETS, and the only thing I don't like about VR is when using my monitor, I use my tablet as a "button box" for the switches and such. I can't do it while in VR because I don't have the tactile feedback of a real button box.
Honestly, as a sim racer, I'm not even close to considering VR as of today. Some sim racers use it, but it's clunky, robs performance which is more important in racing than in flight sims, it's heavy, uncomfortable for long periods of time, and it gets hot and sweaty in there. Although the guys who use it do say it feels quite realistic.
@@luizarthurbrito Quest 3 has been epic for me, I switch between though (triples and vr), AMS2 and AC look great in VR and aren't hard to run either
Wow, a sponsorship from EA sports. What a world.
Linus getting paid with our microtransactions
Funny to see EA sponser him to promote the game and he's running minimum specs at the start (1080p 50fps) 😂
@@gradientO had we made more than 20 years ago - only a mail needed
@@petrkarasek6657 "our microtransactions" I really hope there are no idiots who waste money on EA microtransactions here
@@user-ld9zi1cf7iYou don't have to worry about that, they're too busy playing the same basketball game with a different title, same mechanics
I love the PS5 controller for car games with it being less steps to set up and little to none on troubleshooting. I did love my steering wheel but it would never work without a software fight or entirely remapping the controls of each game years ago. He has the same steering wheel I have somewhere in it's deep dark hole it was forgotten in.
I have the "Red Legend" edition of the Ferrari racing wheel. I only paid AU$30 for mine, about ten years ago. It's cheap, it's not perfect, but gee it's great value for money! There are buttons galore on it, because it's also designed to work with a Playstation 3.
The buttons work great for racing games with cars that have weapons.
Found myself laughing when Linus said "Oh my gosh! I hit a guy." And immediately felt the crushing pain of loneliness from laughing alone in a dorm room.
its okay man i laughed at it too, so we can say we laughed together
same
Laughing from Dallas Texas USA Here, we all on the internet watching this video laugh.
damn
Dirt Rally in VR with my G27 was one of the wildest experiences i had trying racing games in vr. Rally is so much fun!
I remember on-line racing on a Pentium, modem and a Logitech MOMO force feedback racing wheel. It was Papyrus/Sierra's NASCAR Racing 2003 Season and I have never had more fun on a computer! My phone bills usually ran over $400 a month just from racing and yes... I had AOL!
Force feedback can be an expensive feature, but if you're shopping for a wheel, make sure that it at least has rumble. It makes a huge difference.
Rumble and Force Feed Back are different
@@larryfoster423 no where in his comment does he say they are. hes saying if you cant afford force feedback get one with rumble
If you can't afford a wheel with FFB stick to a controller until you can. There's literally no point in using a non-FFB wheel, even one with rumble. It's just going to feel terrible and you're going to be slower
@cheeseman83 I was not stating that 1 was better than the other. I was only metioning that they are different. I have helped people just getting into simracing who did not know the difference.
Forcefeedback I think is the bare minimum to have if getting a wheel. It's just sliding, weird feeling wheel is nothing like a real car if not using force feedback in a wheel
Imagine having a 10k budget for the sim and ending up with a fanatec base with a toy rim connected through a plastic "quick release" that you manually have to screw in
Dont buy the cheap shit fanatic makes the real stuff in the car too this stuff aint cheap its an expensive sport
@@Dirtymouthracing Fanatec is garbage tier in 2024 mate
@@CHAPI929292I have a full fanatec setup except for the ebrake. The ebrake was the only junk part, everything else feels amazing
@@mattisixx1699survivor bias my friend, the moment you try a quality base like simucube or simagic you'll realize how much of a toy fanatec gear is
@@CHAPI929292 What's the good stuff then?
Great review. I'm waiting your reviews of the musical instruments. It's always the best to have someone who have NO IDEA about the subject to give the opinion...
Love watching Linus slowly (and I mean snail pace) become a car guy has been amazing. Keep going Alex.
I'm extremely happy that they did something like this. I just hope they do the same thing with Flight Sticks from super cheap to expensive. I would love to see it and there is a ton on the market for them.
As somebody who had their X56 on non-slip rubber pads on my desk (later got a pair of those L-shaped clamps) I’m interested to see what the most exorbitant balls-to-the-wall setup could look like.
@@thatdarnskag5043I'd guess virpil hotas and pedals with maybe an eye tracker
If Microsoft wanna sponser them to advetise flight sim they may indeed make that video!
Microsoft? Think more DCS or Star Citizen. Both of them are usually the games that have the extreme stick setups
I mean people build whole cockpits for tens of thousands of dollars@@thatdarnskag5043
You should do video on ATS/ETS and getting full setup with manual shifter and add on shifter.
Alex, please make a video on the proper temperatures and color profile setups for the day in and out., Including the proper lighting in the room and what to do if you have light comming in different angles. Thanks.
I LOVE how you turned a sponsorship for a game into such a creative and informative video.
That's literally their only fucking job my guy
FYI to Alex about that display OSD - most monitors have display port ddc or HDMI I2C communication so you can use software to control the monitor. Real life saver if you constantly change brightness (because PC side of things still didn't discover auto brightness which drives me mad)
I second this. The ddcutil package in archlinux repos allows you to control the display's parameters with the command of the same name over HDMI or DP. There may be a similar utility for windows.
@@yuyuko_s75 Do you mean every paramater like even black level, contrast, and presets? cuz that sounds amazing
I had an EIZO monitor with auto brightness. It drove me mad.
The phone auto brightness also does. It almost works perfectly but then it doesn't.
I use a utility now for DDC brightness control. Previously i had some batch scripts which change a whole bunch of settings via DDC. I think that would be perfect for Alex.
Really sick setup, def. never going to afford such a high end setup... I've got the g920 and it feels basically the same as the g27 does from my previous experience.
I really enjoy the g920 but without a shifter or handbrake it does feel really off since i daily a stick car that has a good amount of power.
Took me about 12 minutes to notice the Edison motors hat. Good stuff!!
Fellow simracer here. Just bought WRC and seeing you review warms my heart!! Thank you for touching sims topic once again!!
LTT + Rally is definitely not a combination I've ever expected but im a huge fan! Thanks for the video!
I've had the g27 ever since it was released, I've used it the grand total of 10 times I think. I just went to check what it sells for here, and it's basically the same price as it was when it was new. Crazy.
I use the Momo from way back in the early days from Logitech love that thing. Still use it. But not for racing but more for euro trucks.
The production quality of this video is so much better than what you did before, thank you for that!
I got a Simucube 2 Sport and a set of Heusinkveld Sprint pedals. It's only really worth it for hardcore sims that put a lot of effort into the tire model and force feedback but holy hell is it impressive to use. The muscle memory you get with load cell brakes and the detail and response from a direct drive wheel are incredible
Thats a nice setup