Niels Heusinkveld here (the pedals guy). Nearly spit out my coffee when I saw our pedals for the second time on LTT! And yes, definitely do not go 'ultra high end' unless this hobby really sinks its teeth into you. Once you are beyond help, all sorts of immersion improving hardware is available.. Oh and the throttle travel can be adjusted, as well as the initial pedal installation angle, so the pedal movement can be made comfortable for most heel angles and foot motions.
Something for potential buyers to consider is that the resale value of most of these sim racing setups is quite high. I bought my T300 with pedals for 300 and about three years later when I upgraded to a direct drive wheel sold it again for 250.
How did you like your T300? I'm thinking of getting the T300 RS or perhaps a T248 with their new cheaper shifter (TH8S) and a Wheel Stand Pro at some point. There's better, sure, but I'd only use it occasionally.
G27 owner here, if you do get one, you are going to want to replace the optical encoder wheel inside, it will crack over time and when you make fast turns your steering wheel will start to go further and further to one side, its not too difficult to replace, just time consuming. its ~30$ for a metal one. another issue i have had with mine is the potentiometer in the pedals drifting. you just need to clean it out with some isopropyl alcohol and itll work.
Ive had my G27 for around a decade and that stupid wheel broke on me 3 days ago. I glued it together and got some of the glue in the notches and its all haywire lol Waiting for my metal wheel to show up in the mail.
That’s what I started with and a play seat challenge. Now I got an ASR4 sim rig and all simagic perfs. Alpha P1000 pedals and handbrake and sequential shifter. I love the new Neo GT wheel!
it's kind of funny to read tbh, like I know this is just what advertising is, but the "it's a match made in heaven" sounds so full of itself it sounds like it was written as a joke. But also, I appreciate that they're allowing ltt to work the sponsorship into the content in a way that doesn't get in the way of the main content, bumper ads are so asinine and annoying tbh, nobody watches them and they're annoying to skip.
i was shocked to se the same wheel I have in there, i got mine from my dad litrally ~7 years ago for my 16th bday and he used it before that. Mine is the G25.
Cheapest vs most expensive just makes no sense and has been a personal hatred of me. They get the cheapest car off the Scrapyard that'll still run just to the next town (30 $ steering wheel) but without door, only gears 3 and 5 and compare that to.... a Bugatti "(Watch now for Unexpected ending!!!)"
As somebody with a high end racing setup (for iRacing) I can totally agree that you get what you pay for. The statement about more sensory inputs is dead on - being able to FEEL things - like the rear end sliding out, or going over the bumps or loss of traction, etc. It makes SOOOO much difference in terms of feeling what the car is doing and being able to react. The immersion level just goes off the charts. I run in VR though as I find it better than running triples (and takes up less space). My setup: Fanatec CSL DD (w/boost kit) Fanatec Clubsport V3 pedals w/the dampers and the different inserts Fanatec F1 V1 wheel (have the new V2.5x on order) Fanatec Clubsport Shifter Fanatec Clubsport Handbrake V1 DoF Reality H3 3-axis motion rig SRS 6 transducer shake kit HP Reverb V2 VR headset And a pair of custom built button boxes (by me...) I started out with just a basic crap wheel (similar to the first one showed) with no FFB and I couldn't drive at all with it. Then I got the Fanatec Porsche Turbo S setup which I used for 3 years. Then upgraded the pedals to the V3s. Then bought a used Fanatec Clubsport V2.0 base and the F1 wheel... and so on... Point is, if you aren't sure you're going to do it a lot, you can have plenty of fun with a G25/27/29 setup, and then upgrade over time if you get into it hard core.
@@AdamKontrasthat can kind of be a bad thing though… I can’t tell you how many times I’ve gone to grab the shifter in the actual car before realizing the one in real life is somewhere else… and by the time I realize that I’m already done with the corner I was supposed to downshift for lol
Mike!!! How long have you had the DoF rig?! I've been eyeing the H2, but was worried about issues with it down the road because its not built in my country and shipping is expensive! H3 is on sale right now though
Not being funny. I can feel the bumps and know when traction is lost playing Forza on old xbox with a controller. And yes it's felt, my controller does in fact vibrate. I am jealous though. Wish I had the money 😂 I'd have racing rig, aswell as a flight cockpit for StarCitizen.
@@chrishammer5925couple years now... Unfortunately I haven't used it as much as I'd like to - had some medical issues that made racing difficult and just been really busy, but about to get back into it. I'm in the USA... and while some folks don't get hit with import duties, I did (like $80). It was an experience building it, I made a lot of mods along the way, but I'm fairly mechanically inclined. If you have a hard time with building Ikea furniture, don't bother, or find somebody to help you. I definitely like the motion though. Makes the whole experience that much more engaging, especially since I drive in VR. Really feel like I'm in the car.
The actual trauma on Linus' face when he hit the pedestrian when he crashed on the safari stage is a testimony to the quality of the game. I laughed so loud I almost doubled over.
@@paulct91 The fact that he ran into a CLEARLY FAKE person in a VIDEO GAME, yet was GENUINELY aghast, as if it were real. That's what's funny about it.
13:47 Alex mentions brightness being an issue and needing to use the OSD to fix this, if it's purely brightness you can use an application like Twinkle Tray, which allows you to turn down the brightness, volume, and even power via an application instead of the menu; most newer monitors should support this though some older ones might have issues. I used to use this to link two monitors brightness levels together so I can just adjust it for night time.
Exactly, I use an app called monitorian to control the brightness of my windows machine. No extra cables are needed other than the normal HDMI or Display Port cable. KDE Linux has that feature built in by default and it's great. Idk why it is not just a base windows feature. It just uses DDC/CI which has been around since the 90s
In addition to this, for the color temperatures, f.lux can work wonders. Especially if he's mostly changing various settings based on time of day and such, a lot of those changes can be automated.
I wonder why nobody makes display with built in light sensor like almost every laptop, I have this on my iMac since 15 years but I don't have any way to reproduce this on my desktop pc...
The Peugeot 205 T16 had a big turbo, so you had to keep the revs up to be fast. That's why at the start of the stage you have to pull the handbrake and floor it. You could see the turbo kick in after a few seconds due to starting at low rev range :)
For the midrange setup, it definitely makes more sense to buy a Thrustmaster T300 or TMX. The Logitech racing wheels are arguably worse at a similar pricepoint, as they use gears for force feedback, whereas the Thrustmaster wheels use a belt drive. As someone who has tried both a G29 and owns a TMX, the TMX is better by a LONG SHOT. Also, for the rolling backwards on the cheap setup with a chair, I have a pair of Vans shoes for extra special occasions, and since I haven't used them in months (it's winter) I washed them and put the wheel casters into the shoes 😂👍
100% I use a valve index and I find it far more immersive and personally I can’t stand the breaks in monitors even with the blend corners they make for triples, and moza r9 with srp pedal set, Heusinkveld sequential shifter, track racer frame/seat all was about 3100-3200 usd not including the computer I have. But I also have a real drift car as well, having sim equipment were you mimick your real world cars really helps but at the same time you don’t need to most expensive top of the line stuff to do it either.
Agreed, the extra bit of immersion is absolutely incredible. It can be a bit of a pain sometimes because of the occasional VR hiccup. But I converted my rig to be VR only a few years ago and have no plans to go back to triples anytime soon.
Yes! Not a racing game, but Euro Truck Simulator is sooo much better in VR with a full wheel setup. Without VR it is a pain to setup a good control setup to look around
Sim racing is probably the best gaming experience you can get. The immersion you get from VR and FFB is phenomenal. I run in former title from codemasters all the time and it never gets dull. Hope we are getting VR support for WRC soon.
@@audiokrak9598 I agree. Flight-sim too is great game to play in VR. I have monster-tech rigs set up for playing DCS. Sadly however, the feedback tactility is not as good as car-sims even with bass shaker and stuff. While you can put T-300 on a desk and it’s almost as good as home cockpit in terms of immersion if you have VR. No MFDs no UFCs, only a decent set of wheel and pedals. Hell I say if you put entry racing seat into the mix and you’ll easily surpass a hardcore home cockpit. I envy the ease of access and popularity of car-sims, as I am more of a sim pilot rather than a sim driver.
@@GordonBowater thats what it took to tell you? I dont trust anything from LTT anymore after the scandal, I dont think they can win me back after the truth came out about their methods, professionality, and especially Linus' response to it all. I unsubscribed, but they STILL wont stop recommending it... so I check it out from time to time, and its always the same... id rather watch any other tech youtuber, even if they are sponsored content. And I hate sponsored content... you could say my alter ego is Jimmy from South Park.
Make no mistake ... the brake pedal is where it's at. Having a good brake pedal can really give you an advantage. The wheel, after having Force Feedback in general is a slight improvement from geared FF to belt FF to Direct drive. Also having a fly off handbrake if you want to drift or go rallying really helps. If you go GT3 or F1 the wheel's switches become more important so you can adjust the settings on the fly. Especially if you drive in VR, which is a very good alternative to 3 screens. If you start building a serious rig, and you can't afford all the stuff at the same time (like me) I think it is best to start with a rigid and moddable frame. So as you improve your rig you still can use the same frame for all your extentions and improvements.
But the most important thing is comfort and health, i damaged my back bone and the bone in the middle of the butt( i don't know what it's called in English) because im too immersed and sitting too long sim racing in a bad posture in a cheap badly designed chair
I had a G290 wheel and I'll tell you that it makes way more difference having a range than resistance. I race on my friend's Thustmaster and the brake pedal has good gradual resistance but I could set better times on my rig just knowing the range. (I removed the rubber block) Also, Pro Tip, we like to keybind the handbrake to left paddle, since we exclusively use the H-pattern.
@@PikemanLures For me muscle memory works better than pedal travel. And it is way closer to real driving. I can translate everything into real driving except for the G-forces. But they give me additional information so. Driving fast in reality is easier than in sim ... for me at least (Since I feel no fear, when I think, I know what I'm doing). I only use H-pattern for Cars that use H in reality. When there's paddles in the real thing, I use paddles. I even use 3 different wheels for 3 different kinds of cars. A clean one for Drift, Rally or Oldtimers, an average wheel with a few butons and paddles for street legal cars and the fanatec Mclaren GT3 for modern race cars.
Brake pedal is more important than gear vs belt vs DD. Throttle pedal is strangely not usually a problem, which is a bit odd since you need a lot more finesse with it.
I got into sim racing during 2020 while being off work. I got the TM T300 RS GT. Built my own rig. Realized that it was something I thoroughly enjoyed. Bought the NLR F-GT and haven't looked back. It's a fantastic mid-tier setup. One thing I think is worth mentioning, when you set-up - be sure to reference proper ergonomics - especially if you become an enthusiast like myself. Musculoskeletal injuries are not worth it.
@@thomgizziz They're talking about injuries that result from poor ergonomic situations. If you spend hours and hours in a bad seating position you can give yourself back problems, nerve pain, other nagging "overuse" type injuries that could happen whether you're in good physical shape or not. But yes going to the gym is good too.
he TM T300 is a great little wheel to get into sim racing, you made a great choice. I will say, the pedals TM where never up to much good but certainly do the job. Fanatec have a pretty cheap pedal set called the "CSL Elite" that when combined with an adapter, will take that T300 to the next level. The pedals cost roughly around $65/€59.99/£52. They feel ridged as anything and allow for a lot smoother throttle and break application. You can even take those pedals I mentioned even further by buying a loadcell kit for them.
@@ross302cias a single dad of 4 with custody I work out but drive forklift for a living and that shit compresses my back so much that I practice stretches and techniques when I jump off my lift…and some back cracking or stretching techniques that I found on TH-cam where a godsend….but by Friday I’m sore and tense and the weekend I heal up…it’s not the worst pain, but proper posture and seating is key….
The vr is beyond worth the setup, the immersion, the depth perception coming into corners, being able to see out the side windows when youre sliding, it just makes it so much better
The only game I've consistently used it in is Assetto Corsa via Content Manager, but I haven't had any issues after setting it up the first time. It's worked fine in a couple of other titles the little bit I used it too. TV/Monitors can definitely be an immersive killer arcade experience that some people might even prefer. VR on the other hand is as close to the real thing as you can get to driving like a maniac without causing yourself serious bodily hard.
Having played Dirt something in VR.... it can become a puke machine very fast. Its fun while you're doing flat asphalt circuit stuff, but on bumpy curvy roads I had to take off the VR set within minutes and was feeling shit the rest of the week.
@MrRoeltej I don't tend to get those issues, it really just depends on the person. I've spent a few thousand hours in vr by now and I'm largely unphased by weird motion stuff
I'm 47. I've been using computers since I was 3 years old. My mouth dropped open to the floor when Alex talked about all the finnicky adjustments he makes to his monitor throughout the day. I mean, to each their own, but in 44 years of spending way too much of my day in front of a monitor, I've never once considered adjusting brightness or color temperature to compensate for time of day. I'm definitely Team Linus on that one.
not entirely sure , but ive been using the macos feature to automatically tweak the warmth of colours ,so that when its darker, its much more softer, helps me sleep better. Avoiding any screen an hour before bed beats any :)
What I did for mine is that I got a flat metal bar and duct taped one end to the bottom of the pedals, then made a loop out of duct tape on the other end. Put one of the five "arms" of your chair through the loop, center that arm behind you, and bang - the pedals are always the exact right distance away from the chair
Thing to note is Logitech uses a gear set up for their wheels (beyond the Direct Drive wheel) and Thrustmaster uses a belt system. Belts are usually much quieter and there's more fidelity for around the same cost as a logitech wheel. Have a look at 2nd hand T300 or the slightly higher end TS-PC/TS-XW.
@@elbowsout6301 Always thought the R3 was just too weak. My TM TSXW puts out like 6NM and that's a belt. Equally if you can get a good deal it's a must, I do know the Moza wheel mods are ridiculously pricey compare to say Thrustmaser T818.
@@BarkerVancity That has nothing to do with motor, it was the cooling fans that had issues, basically just replace with a small noctua and you good. Alternatively get the T300 because they had fixed it by then
I always thought a force feedback wheel would be expensive, I didn't know a sub $1000 option was available to make it not feel like a "video game". Racing is the only type of gaming I can ever get into.
@@AlwaresHUNI feel that everybody gets that from watching the video. And it's quite the norm for Linus to dive into stuff he doesn't know anything about. My take is that he's portraying the "beginners point of view" and more or less bradcasting a concept to the masses. I'm fairly certain mpst viewers are at a similar point as Linus, but now they'll dip their toes into it because they liked what they saw. To me that's a good thing.
Went from g27 to t300rs for drifting. Its more quick to rotate, not having dead zone in a middle, more smooth, not as loud. Force feedback is much stronger. I would say both wheels are great for the price. Using it with quest 2 and never going back to monitor setup, the immersion is next level.
I just switched from vr to a large triple screen set up and can agree that vr is great but a large properly set up triple screen set up is so much easier to just get in and drive. I too do drifting in assetto maybe I'll catch your door sometime online
For seeing this video in consideration of the changes y'all have made with processes after the pause, I'm impressed. The genuine enthusiasm, the editor commentary to reduce any confusion or misinterpretation of context, the awareness of other content and previous videos...I'm genuinely impressed. The quality has gotten a ton better and the video doesn't feel rushed, well done!
Seriously? For me this video looked more like a full-on ad rather than a good balanced video. "Hey Linus, how about you build your own car in the game? Oh wow look at all the options."...
@@officerramboit's very clearly an ad, and I'm not blind to that fact. If I were to compare this video to something in the past before the GN call to action, I would not have anticipated clearer editor commentary and wider awareness of options in the market for watchers. It's entertaining, and informs the audience more than their past releases...as for calling it a "good balanced video", that can be super subjective and isn't my expectation 🤷
@@officerrambo Tbh, that's usually my reaction when I'm starting a new game and am suddenly presented with a series of things to pick from with several options that look like they matter, especially when I was expecting to go straight into a match or whatever
I used to play Dirt 3 a lot on that thrustmaster and I was setting world top 10 times, and even got a world record with it, so you certainly use them with no issues.
I have to add that Fanatec's CSL DD bundle which includes the motor base, the steering wheel, and pedals is $400 which is really great value for how nice for how high quality they are. If you are getting into sim racing and think that you will get into it, I highly recommend this bundle and to put it on a cockpit like what Alex has.
well duh, but mine IS good. so I shared my personal experience after actually buying the product. also it has a warranty and a return policy. It's a good deal for $349. I've owned it for over a year and it is as precise feeling as the day I bought it and I use it multiple times a week. It's a direct drive wheel, it has 1 moving part inside of it. the pedals have also been very durable and well constructed. so seriously, what exactly is your point besides pointing out the obvious? @@xwiick
It's cool to see not just the cheapest possible and craziest setup, but to also see what you get on a very reasonable setup. I wish LTT would show those more.
Late to the party here, but I figure it's worth mentioning, you guys could totally do a video on arcade-style fight sticks for fighting games. Much like racing rigs, there's a ton of variety for a ton of price ranges. I bought my first one recently and there was a whole world of peripherals I had no idea about. Could be an interesting video.
Oh yea. I remember when I was really into fighting games about 5 years ago I completely customized a horizontal fight stick with sanwa buttons and new fight stick. Then built a fight stick from custom template for tekken with a korean style bat stick and switches. Such a beautiful fight stick I was gonna sell it but it is so pretty and my first ever built fight stick. I'm garbage at fighting games tho :5
@@michaelmonstar4276 Not necessarily all too niche. SF4 sold million quantities, and lots of people play with a basic gamepad. There has been a mild resurgence in the genre, while racing is sort of on the decline. There are also inexpensive and accessible ways to go about it to get some really decent fight game controls, if you can make a plywood box, or learn to in a weekend with basic tools, you can build your own for very cheap, and there's any number of manufacturers for any budget. You can also add built vs bought competition and things going wrong for general entertainment. Racing best you can do on a tiny budget is DFGT and that just doesn't make for great video entertainment.
Yes! We need more racing sim content!! There are tons of people looking to get their first setup and while there is a lot of information out there, it's all over the place and not always focused on beginners or those looking to upgrade their experience.
you should probably look for channels that focus on sim racing rather than channels that makes random sim racing videos for fun if you are serious about getting into sim racing, try boosted media for example they have a video series on gear advice for beginners
@@leewickert9523 depending on your budget and space, I would say the Moza r5 bundle + next-level gtelite pro (total cost ~800usd) would set you up for a pretty decent beginner sim racing experience and you can upgrade from there if you decide to commit into the hobby, again I would recommend getting some sim racing basic knowledge from other sim racing channels on yt before making a purchase decision
If you can't afford a wheel with FFB stick to a controller until you can. There's literally no point in using a non-FFB wheel, even one with rumble. It's just going to feel terrible and you're going to be slower
@cheeseman83 I was not stating that 1 was better than the other. I was only metioning that they are different. I have helped people just getting into simracing who did not know the difference.
Forcefeedback I think is the bare minimum to have if getting a wheel. It's just sliding, weird feeling wheel is nothing like a real car if not using force feedback in a wheel
25:38 - to be fair, that is the group B experience. The whole category was cancelled after a few crashes and driver deaths. Final nail in the coffin was a collision with spectators, 3 dead and 30 injured, all the manufacturers pulled out.
The Ferrari Spyder thrustmaster barely worked with any of my many racing games. It did 7 years ago, but now Forza was the only one I had that worked reliably. The crew kinda almost worked.
Can I ask what platform were you using mine worked perfect on xbox and when I sold the xbox I used it on pc until windows 11 came and basically bricked it
@@Roach420 I'm on PC and yeah I completely understand the Xbox one is for Xbox and the PlayStation one is for PlayStation. The Xbox one is compatible with PC but on a case by case basis because of Xinput. There was a review that said it didn't work on the newer Xbox or something similar to it being case by case as well
I have the Ferrari edition in my basement. Poor fella. It only had a life with Forza and Xbox One. The Logitech force feedback GT still runs with my PS3 and gets all the love
I was never into racing sims untill I got a VR headset. got Dirt Rally on a steam sale and now I have a full sim rig.... it really is a game changer in the most literal way...
When they reviewed the weird "personal cinema" headset with Luke -- Alex said that it made him very queasy ("it's like 20 beers") and there was no way he was putting the thing back on. Maybe he just doesn't get on well with VR headsets.
@@Metal_Maxine When it comes to VR, having your IPD dialed in and correct is the key (especially for me). If the IPD is off even a little bit, I get massive headaches and can't stand the experience. I use a HP Reverb G2, and I've never regreted buying it (basically at launch).
Me and my brother mostly do circuit racing (just for fun!) but we both were instantly faster when we started using vr (that was when the original vive was new) compared to using monitors, especially on tracks that we rarely do. What makes the difference for us is that the image is where you look at. Because of this we can aim the car much better. So yeah, i don´t get Alex' (and Linus' for that matter - vr always simply worked for me after the initial setup) point there either. The improvement in immersion and driving precision is definitely worth the extra setup time. And it takes up way less space than a monitor - let alone a three monitor - setup.
Would love to see one of these for flight sims assuming there's someone on staff in that niche. As a flight simmer the near complete lack of VR adoption in the racing sim community baffles me. There are a few fuds in the flight sim community who swear by monitors, but VR has been pretty widely adopted. Widespread use of force feedback is cool though, it's rare and expensive in flight sims
Id love to see them go through mouse and keyboard, controller, VKB gladiator, virpil constellation and tell us their impression of each setup. Whether it's dual stick or stick and throttle (with or without pedals for both)
@@jonathanpatry Make sure to have someone inside the niche host it then; going from 0 to 100 adds so much useful functionality and ease-of-life things that a random person simply wouldn't appreciate or know how to judge. Much easier with sim racing since everyone has driven a car
How do you like using flight sim accessories in VR? I'm mostly into the truck sims ATS/ETS, and the only thing I don't like about VR is when using my monitor, I use my tablet as a "button box" for the switches and such. I can't do it while in VR because I don't have the tactile feedback of a real button box.
Honestly, as a sim racer, I'm not even close to considering VR as of today. Some sim racers use it, but it's clunky, robs performance which is more important in racing than in flight sims, it's heavy, uncomfortable for long periods of time, and it gets hot and sweaty in there. Although the guys who use it do say it feels quite realistic.
You should have included testing the gyro in the PS5 pad. I found my DS4 tilt control to be a really good free substitute before I got my wheel. It's amazingly accurate
Really enjoying WRC, similar to Dirt Rally 2.0 only with much more accessibility. A second hand Logitech wheel is how most of us get into sim racing. Bonus tip for those playing on their PC chair; try swapping the wheels out for glide castors to keep in place
Good tip about the wheels/castors! Personally, I cut some random old thick printer cable in half, tied them into circle-shapes, and put them under the wheels that are facing toward the back of my computer chair. It's a thick cable, somewhat grippy plastic, keeps those wheels from turning. My chair stays rock solid even when I'm braking hard, but it's still easy enough to push around. I leave them there all the time
Totally agree with you, racing without a wheel with force feedback is not giving. All that changed today with a brand new Logitech G20 (with gearbox) quite affordable and happened to fit easily in my current setting without resorting to a frame. Went from car uncontrollable to the point of being unable to race, to ending in the middle place of a quick race with 8 other cars in just a few hours of practice, building track and controls memory, mastering speed and cornering from visual and feedback cues !
I have had the same Logitech G27 since 2012 and I still use it to this day! Hands down best wheel! Best value and has the most buttons it seems to get everything set up just the way you want! Ive had mine 2nd hand for 12 years and zero problems
Great video, I'm not gonna lie the fact that Linus short shifted that car *every* time the turbo started to spool was maddening. I'd love to see you guys do a "Sim Racing for beginners" game round up that talks about what games are the most accessible for people getting into the hobby.
Gt7, Forza... especially with. A wheel they both feel real good and give you an idea of what a full sim game will feel like. They bridge the gap between hardcore sim racers and arcade racers pretty good.
For real, a vr setup and a Logitech g29 combo has made for some of the most fun gaming sessions I've ever had. And the sweat is no joke, I have yet to find another gaming experience that makes me sweat and stresses me out the way that a racing wheel and VR headset has. Good stress though. That competitive effort sweat, not anxiety and stress sweat
I actually find that playing sim racers with pedals and wheel in VR makes me much better at the game, thanks to the added awareness it gives me. On a single monitor the view I have is so restricted I end up driving much more cautiously. It'd be interesting to see staff try both and see how they fare.
I used to exclusively play in vr but now that WRC doesn't have vr it's actually not as bad. I think VR made a huge difference when I was new but now I'm kinda digging the easier setup. Still looking forward to when they add VR for the immersion factor.
Found myself laughing when Linus said "Oh my gosh! I hit a guy." And immediately felt the crushing pain of loneliness from laughing alone in a dorm room.
I got a Simucube 2 Sport and a set of Heusinkveld Sprint pedals. It's only really worth it for hardcore sims that put a lot of effort into the tire model and force feedback but holy hell is it impressive to use. The muscle memory you get with load cell brakes and the detail and response from a direct drive wheel are incredible
FYI to Alex about that display OSD - most monitors have display port ddc or HDMI I2C communication so you can use software to control the monitor. Real life saver if you constantly change brightness (because PC side of things still didn't discover auto brightness which drives me mad)
I second this. The ddcutil package in archlinux repos allows you to control the display's parameters with the command of the same name over HDMI or DP. There may be a similar utility for windows.
I had an EIZO monitor with auto brightness. It drove me mad. The phone auto brightness also does. It almost works perfectly but then it doesn't. I use a utility now for DDC brightness control. Previously i had some batch scripts which change a whole bunch of settings via DDC. I think that would be perfect for Alex.
For anyone trying to start in sim racing, any experienced racer will tell you that the most important part is a good solid cockpit. You can use the best wheel and pedals, but if your rig is not solid, you will be all over the place with your inputs, specially with your braking. 1)Get a decent cockpit 2)Get a decent brake pedal with enough mechanical resistance. If you only care about performance, you are 90% there already.
the funny thing about the ultimate setup is that EA WRC doesn't support proper triple screen projection unlike other simracing titles in the market like assetto corsa, rfactor, iracing, etc
Knowing how F1 games handle "simulation" I wonder how much of a simulator is this "simulator". I would prefer they used a proper sim. Especially that they had most of the equipment anyway, so it could have been sponsored by anyone.
Not surprising with EA. F1 doesn't support it either. Most racing games with a targeted console release don't support it. At this point, any game that isn't supporting triple monitor and VR support is behind. Forza and EA are still behind the 8-ball on that, but at least EA is finally support VR. I'd play a lot more FH and GRiD if they had triple support.
I bought a second-hand quest 3 a few months ago, just this week I dusted off my 20 years old Logitech Wingman force-feed back wheel. Being visually impaired and not allowed to drive on real roads, this has been absolutely super fun! I'd live a wheel with a gearshift and handbrake :) I'm definitely jealous of some of that gear Linus!
I love how this video is just Alex getting his boss to set up his gaming rig on company time! That cheeky smile when Linus cottons on though 😂 Never change mate! Edit: And also making the system a tax write off since it's being used in a video! You cheeky bastard ❤ (Note: In Australia, "bastard" is frequently an affectionate term, just in case it's not the same in Canada!)
It's regional in Canada for it being acceptable. For the mostly papist Quebecois, that's never an affectionate word. Fućker, or variants, in the right tone are likely to be acceptable everywhere
I'm in the same situation and I agree. My driving school has a Mercedes and two Jeeps. Driving the Mercedes is like flying in a spaceship while driving the Jeep actually feels like being in a ground vehicle.
you can grab stand similar to the ones they build integrated into the seat shown here in the video) which you can store behind your couch with the wheel/shifter/pedals all connected. All together running you around $480. I wish they shown that, but i know they get sponsored to show the big bulky stuff. - Shifter runs for around 60 bucks (Logitech driving force shifter) - Steering wheel + pedals at $300 (logitech G920 at $300 comes with three-pedal system, which means you get the clutch pedal too for extra immersion! the G920 also has an amazingly powerful feedback system that lets you feel each turn and even the rumble of idling.) - Stand for between $90 and $110. It's compact, easy to assemble (took less than 10 minutes) and can be folded with all the equipment attached. The stand also works with thrustmaster equipment and flight sticks/throttles, so it's multi-purpose for flight and space sims too. You don't have to grab a humongous driving bucket seat attachment if you like your computer chair and don't want to try stuffing it into a tiny room :)
I'm extremely happy that they did something like this. I just hope they do the same thing with Flight Sticks from super cheap to expensive. I would love to see it and there is a ton on the market for them.
As somebody who had their X56 on non-slip rubber pads on my desk (later got a pair of those L-shaped clamps) I’m interested to see what the most exorbitant balls-to-the-wall setup could look like.
If you're gonna do the in-car view, get rid of the onscreen hands and wheel... you got your own. I personally like front or bonnet view. It's a much faster experience. Honestly, the best way to play racing games is the setup you have now with a triple monitor, Nvidia 3D vision, and surround headphones. The immersive experience is off the chart.
Would've been cool to get more exposure on the CSL DD. From what I understand, direct drive makes a huge difference over gear/belt driven because of the force + granularity/smoothness. The CSL DD is about $600 for the wheel, and I think the pedals were about $200-300. So for about $1,200-$1,400 including a rig, you can have something already close to that top-end experience.
Yes. Some people get caught up on the pure Newton meter force production, but DD wheels are more valuable not primarily because of their force production, but because of the low latency, high granularity, frictionless feedback. If you're eyeing DD wheels, and wonder if the lower power versions are worth it, or if you need to shell out, the lower power versions will still be light years ahead of belt or gears.
@@dogboy0912 yeah most people won't wanna get close to even half the max force feedback on direct drive wheels. I tried using my friends wheel which is like 15nm and my arms were pumped after an hour of playing
@@totallynotbluu Ah, I see. Getting it for just PC is pretty cheap. But if you want PS compatibility, you have to pay double the price for the DD Pro Though oddly, the $199 DD 5nm base, it wouldn't let me add to the cart. And the price of it in search is $349. Fanatec as usual having scummy business practices, or at least having such a bad website that I assume it's scummy.
As someone who has experience in Sim Racing: Anything you can afford to start off with, as long as it has Force Feedback. Logitech, Thrustmaster, it's all personal preference. After that, the next step is upgrading everything around your wheel, then, after you have a shifter, a wheel stand/bucket seat, you invest into a new wheel.
we NEED an LTT team just for simracing, the community is amazing and havine a bigger channel cover all this with that "Creative mode" budget would be awesome
It would be great but please don't go all hype for no reason and get people who actually know what they are talking about and are half decent, for me it's almost painful hearing Linus talk about it.
Off topic, genuinely love the changes to how LTT videos are produced now. There is no need for a new video every single day. Thigs feel way more chill, fun and laid back :)
I'm quite happy with my Logitech G29. I got it with the H-shifter at no additional cost since the store was selling both simultaneously as a bundle at the time. I also agree that while the hardware makes the experience more immersive, it's the player's ability what makes the difference in the end.
G29 is pretty bulletproof and has plenty of force behind it. I do recommend it to everyone who’s new to all of this. I don’t race competitive though, just like to cruise around in games.
There's programs you can run on your PC for adjusting external monitor settings like brightness with the DDC/CI protocol. Personally I use Monitorian, which allows me to change multiple monitors together at once and match them even though they've got very different brightness ranges (100% on one is closer to 70% on the other one).
Indeed. Someone also mentioned ClickMonitorDDC, which seems to give even more options regarding color profiles. Although, I'd say it's easier to sick with Flux for just adjusting colors when it gets darker.
I spent like £600 total on my setup. Got a random racing cage for £100 on eBay, my Thrustmaster T300 RS GT with the L-TCM pedals for £300, an XRocker Adrenaline v2 seat for £25 on ebay (long story short I was sold a faulty seat as working, got most of my money back and repaired the issues), a £60 universal mounting bracket to bolt the chair to the racing frame, a T3HA 7 speed shifter for £65. Paired the 2.1 chair speakers and a cheap 2.1 front speaker system with a 600w preout AV system, and boom; a decent enough setup with 4.2 surround sound audio
i saved money by building my own desk, seat base and found a good conditioned car seat for the seat to mount onto the seat base i made. I choose the Simagic Alpha wheel base because its so compact, good quality, and quick release wheel rim. SHH shifter does the job and made in Spain from 3D printed housing. then modified a pedal set to make them feel more realistic and better reaction (see video on my Moza racing pedal mod). your right, no need for a $10,000 setup.
About the monitor, I use a tool called Twinkle Tray, which allows you to change the brightness of your normal PC displays without using the OSD. It does this using the DDC/CI-functions that also handles the thing where Windows sees your monitor's brand and model!
I basically learned to drive on gravel by trying things in Need For Speed VRally2, then duplicating them in an old Paseo on a really nice, wide road before they paved it. Now I cos-play a WRC driver on fire roads to let off steam. Linus’ reaction was spot-on for any non car-person’s first time-both on-screen & irl. Having a sim would be nice, but I spend my spare cash on the fun cars 😁
IMO, the best upgrade to one of these setups is to get the frame and no chair at all. Go to a junk yard and get a good condition seat from an actual car. You can use the same bolts that it comes with to connect to the frame ( or to some wood if it works better for you ) No need for super expensive custom seats and lots better overall. As a plus, if it's a manual seat like in a base model Mustang, you have all the adjustments built-in. All you need is to bolt the four corners down to something. :)
30 dollars is fine to get into simracing. 300 dollars is fine to enjoy simracing, heck even 3000 dollars is fine if you have the budget. 10000 dollars is just an insane ammount for anyone.
As you get into it you tend to upgrade over time. Similar to upgrading a pc. I started with a thrustmaster tx I got off my friend for $120. I've upgraded many times through the years. Currently have a sim rig that when added all together cost around 7k
Great video guys, it's easy to over complicate a video on this topic with so much equipment out there to choose from. My brothers came over and had a blast with WRC 23 on my sim rig its great fun going for the fastest stage time. Sim racing has been a full blown hobby for me for the last few years and no other gaming experience has come close. I like doing metal fabrication work so its been a ton of fun building a rig. Its helped me keep the price down without many compromises. So far I have made a sequential shifter, a load cell pedal box, formula wheel, custom frame, button box. basically a custom rig for all disciplines.
Everybody bashes/sleeps on that first thrustmaster wheel, but that’s because they’re expecting too much of it! I made a full rig using that wheel and pedal set JUST for outrun 2006 coast-to-coast on the OG Xbox (a non-sim, super arcade-y racer). All you need is a Brook adapter plugged into an original Xbox to USB female adapter. OG Xbox is putting out video via component cables to a retrotink 5X which sends 1440p to my 43 inch 4K monitor mounted on the rig. Game supports widescreen. Since home ports of outrun 2006 don’t support force feedback getting an FFB wheel would be pointless anyway. Let me tell you, this game/set up is STUPID fun. And the whole rig cost me just a hair over $300 to make (not counting the OG Xbox and a copy of the game which has admittedly spiked in value recently). Resourcefulness is not having the best of everything but using everything you have in the best way possible. That wheel is so cheap, I bought two spares “just in case“.😂 EDIT: Oh, AND I modded an actual Outrun 2 SP arcade shifter to work with the wheel. Totally not necessary, but I like overkill😂
Niels Heusinkveld here (the pedals guy). Nearly spit out my coffee when I saw our pedals for the second time on LTT! And yes, definitely do not go 'ultra high end' unless this hobby really sinks its teeth into you. Once you are beyond help, all sorts of immersion improving hardware is available.. Oh and the throttle travel can be adjusted, as well as the initial pedal installation angle, so the pedal movement can be made comfortable for most heel angles and foot motions.
Hi again Niels 👋😄
how would one get some of your pedals to try out?
Some Mircocenters have sim rigs set up to demo. They may have some Heusinkvelds attached. @@stevejohnny1111
Those pedals are incredible
You make some damn fine equipment sir.
For 10 grand that thing better blow something else other than just my mind
😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Your back?
It better blow me, and blow me away for 10k
Bubbles
Something for potential buyers to consider is that the resale value of most of these sim racing setups is quite high. I bought my T300 with pedals for 300 and about three years later when I upgraded to a direct drive wheel sold it again for 250.
I can second that, sold my thrustmaster tx for the same price I bought it
How did you like your T300? I'm thinking of getting the T300 RS or perhaps a T248 with their new cheaper shifter (TH8S) and a Wheel Stand Pro at some point. There's better, sure, but I'd only use it occasionally.
Because of the pandemic, this was true. itll be less true as time goes on
it is solid but for 400€ you can get a direct drive with Fanatec. there is no more comparison..@@dystopiawanderer
@@SosaKinkosdebatable actually. My anecdotal experienced illustrated very minimal loss after a couple years ownership and that was pre-covid.
G27 owner here, if you do get one, you are going to want to replace the optical encoder wheel inside, it will crack over time and when you make fast turns your steering wheel will start to go further and further to one side, its not too difficult to replace, just time consuming. its ~30$ for a metal one. another issue i have had with mine is the potentiometer in the pedals drifting. you just need to clean it out with some isopropyl alcohol and itll work.
Ive had my G27 for around a decade and that stupid wheel broke on me 3 days ago. I glued it together and got some of the glue in the notches and its all haywire lol
Waiting for my metal wheel to show up in the mail.
That’s what I started with and a play seat challenge. Now I got an ASR4 sim rig and all simagic perfs. Alpha P1000 pedals and handbrake and sequential shifter. I love the new Neo GT wheel!
Nobody is buying a g27 in 2024 lmao
@@brodylockwood14 nobody said anything about buying it in 2024, lmao
@@timsonsuperman Yeah true lol
Thank you to whoever put the talking points on screen @ 0:26 I'm a big fan of this and it does not reduce from the sponsorship messaging.
Agreed! It honestly helps a lot :)
The short message actually made me read and think about it much more than if they had simply directly read it all out loud :D
Fan of what? Of paid ads shoved down your throat in every video on youtube? So you want more? Ew
@@KeksimusMaximusNo, they like the fact that LTT is being transparent about what they are being paid to talk about
@@KeksimusMaximusyou realize that majority of us wouldn’t have a job without these ads right 😭🥲
Props to LTT for putting the sponsor talking points in the video, that's super cool and transparent of them
I'm paused reading them too lol
"match made in heaven"
yeah, right
Industry Plant
it's kind of funny to read tbh, like I know this is just what advertising is, but the "it's a match made in heaven" sounds so full of itself it sounds like it was written as a joke. But also, I appreciate that they're allowing ltt to work the sponsorship into the content in a way that doesn't get in the way of the main content, bumper ads are so asinine and annoying tbh, nobody watches them and they're annoying to skip.
@@jarbarsiyou say that, but it was extremely obvious and jarring any time they went into a talking point
I know the trend is 'cheapest vs. most expensive' but I really appreciate the 'bang for the buck' setup thrown in there as well
i was shocked to se the same wheel I have in there, i got mine from my dad litrally ~7 years ago for my 16th bday and he used it before that. Mine is the G25.
There is better options than G27 though
@@De-M-oN I'm listening
@@doslover mmhmm me too. My decade old wheel is waiting...lol
Cheapest vs most expensive just makes no sense and has been a personal hatred of me. They get the cheapest car off the Scrapyard that'll still run just to the next town (30 $ steering wheel) but without door, only gears 3 and 5 and compare that to.... a Bugatti "(Watch now for Unexpected ending!!!)"
As somebody with a high end racing setup (for iRacing) I can totally agree that you get what you pay for. The statement about more sensory inputs is dead on - being able to FEEL things - like the rear end sliding out, or going over the bumps or loss of traction, etc. It makes SOOOO much difference in terms of feeling what the car is doing and being able to react. The immersion level just goes off the charts. I run in VR though as I find it better than running triples (and takes up less space).
My setup:
Fanatec CSL DD (w/boost kit)
Fanatec Clubsport V3 pedals w/the dampers and the different inserts
Fanatec F1 V1 wheel (have the new V2.5x on order)
Fanatec Clubsport Shifter
Fanatec Clubsport Handbrake V1
DoF Reality H3 3-axis motion rig
SRS 6 transducer shake kit
HP Reverb V2 VR headset
And a pair of custom built button boxes (by me...)
I started out with just a basic crap wheel (similar to the first one showed) with no FFB and I couldn't drive at all with it. Then I got the Fanatec Porsche Turbo S setup which I used for 3 years. Then upgraded the pedals to the V3s. Then bought a used Fanatec Clubsport V2.0 base and the F1 wheel... and so on...
Point is, if you aren't sure you're going to do it a lot, you can have plenty of fun with a G25/27/29 setup, and then upgrade over time if you get into it hard core.
Was waiting for a VR headset enthusiast to jump in. It's so much more immersive than the 3 monitor setup...
@@AdamKontrasthat can kind of be a bad thing though…
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve gone to grab the shifter in the actual car before realizing the one in real life is somewhere else… and by the time I realize that I’m already done with the corner I was supposed to downshift for lol
Mike!!! How long have you had the DoF rig?! I've been eyeing the H2, but was worried about issues with it down the road because its not built in my country and shipping is expensive! H3 is on sale right now though
Not being funny. I can feel the bumps and know when traction is lost playing Forza on old xbox with a controller. And yes it's felt, my controller does in fact vibrate.
I am jealous though. Wish I had the money 😂
I'd have racing rig, aswell as a flight cockpit for StarCitizen.
@@chrishammer5925couple years now... Unfortunately I haven't used it as much as I'd like to - had some medical issues that made racing difficult and just been really busy, but about to get back into it.
I'm in the USA... and while some folks don't get hit with import duties, I did (like $80). It was an experience building it, I made a lot of mods along the way, but I'm fairly mechanically inclined. If you have a hard time with building Ikea furniture, don't bother, or find somebody to help you.
I definitely like the motion though. Makes the whole experience that much more engaging, especially since I drive in VR. Really feel like I'm in the car.
The actual trauma on Linus' face when he hit the pedestrian when he crashed on the safari stage is a testimony to the quality of the game. I laughed so loud I almost doubled over.
Gruppe B style
What about that made you laugh?
@@paulct91 The fact that he ran into a CLEARLY FAKE person in a VIDEO GAME, yet was GENUINELY aghast, as if it were real. That's what's funny about it.
accurate Group B experience
so good you "woo" jumping- the face turn!
13:47 Alex mentions brightness being an issue and needing to use the OSD to fix this, if it's purely brightness you can use an application like Twinkle Tray, which allows you to turn down the brightness, volume, and even power via an application instead of the menu; most newer monitors should support this though some older ones might have issues. I used to use this to link two monitors brightness levels together so I can just adjust it for night time.
Twinkle tray is best app ever honestly, I was looking for this comment, hope Alex will level up is brightness game 😁
Exactly, I use an app called monitorian to control the brightness of my windows machine. No extra cables are needed other than the normal HDMI or Display Port cable. KDE Linux has that feature built in by default and it's great. Idk why it is not just a base windows feature. It just uses DDC/CI which has been around since the 90s
f.lux, free open source, works like a charm, even with Hue Lights
In addition to this, for the color temperatures, f.lux can work wonders. Especially if he's mostly changing various settings based on time of day and such, a lot of those changes can be automated.
I wonder why nobody makes display with built in light sensor like almost every laptop, I have this on my iMac since 15 years but I don't have any way to reproduce this on my desktop pc...
The Peugeot 205 T16 had a big turbo, so you had to keep the revs up to be fast. That's why at the start of the stage you have to pull the handbrake and floor it. You could see the turbo kick in after a few seconds due to starting at low rev range :)
For the midrange setup, it definitely makes more sense to buy a Thrustmaster T300 or TMX. The Logitech racing wheels are arguably worse at a similar pricepoint, as they use gears for force feedback, whereas the Thrustmaster wheels use a belt drive. As someone who has tried both a G29 and owns a TMX, the TMX is better by a LONG SHOT.
Also, for the rolling backwards on the cheap setup with a chair, I have a pair of Vans shoes for extra special occasions, and since I haven't used them in months (it's winter) I washed them and put the wheel casters into the shoes 😂👍
The TMX uses a mix of belts and gears as it is the xbox equivalent to the T150, not the T300
@@nacltoxic Ah, didn't know that. Still smoother than the logitech tho
@@can_with_beans Fanatec ready to race CSL DD bundle is even better lmao
old tennis balls cut in half :)
i use a second chair to hold my chair in place
I think the VR setup time is totally worth it imo it is easier for me to drift being able to look out the windows.
100% I use a valve index and I find it far more immersive and personally I can’t stand the breaks in monitors even with the blend corners they make for triples, and moza r9 with srp pedal set, Heusinkveld sequential shifter, track racer frame/seat all was about 3100-3200 usd not including the computer I have. But I also have a real drift car as well, having sim equipment were you mimick your real world cars really helps but at the same time you don’t need to most expensive top of the line stuff to do it either.
Yeah but this sponsored game doesn't have VR.
I have the 1st gen oculus rift, and a logitech g920. Does the job for me,
@@zachr369
Agreed, the extra bit of immersion is absolutely incredible. It can be a bit of a pain sometimes because of the occasional VR hiccup. But I converted my rig to be VR only a few years ago and have no plans to go back to triples anytime soon.
Yes! Not a racing game, but Euro Truck Simulator is sooo much better in VR with a full wheel setup. Without VR it is a pain to setup a good control setup to look around
Sim racing is probably the best gaming experience you can get. The immersion you get from VR and FFB is phenomenal. I run in former title from codemasters all the time and it never gets dull. Hope we are getting VR support for WRC soon.
I think it really depends because the same could be argued for flight sim just requirements for VR are harder to get into than sim racing
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I can't wait for a proper commercial flight sim model, where you can SIMULATE flying upside down n stuff.
@@audiokrak9598 I agree. Flight-sim too is great game to play in VR. I have monster-tech rigs set up for playing DCS.
Sadly however, the feedback tactility is not as good as car-sims even with bass shaker and stuff.
While you can put T-300 on a desk and it’s almost as good as home cockpit in terms of immersion if you have VR. No MFDs no UFCs, only a decent set of wheel and pedals.
Hell I say if you put entry racing seat into the mix and you’ll easily surpass a hardcore home cockpit.
I envy the ease of access and popularity of car-sims, as I am more of a sim pilot rather than a sim driver.
@@Johan-di6mdthere is enough of that.
I'm at the start of the video and I want to say I really appreciate your transparency in showing exactly the talking points EA asked you to mention
I appreciated the transparency as well. It let me know I could stop watching immediately.
@@GordonBowater thats what it took to tell you? I dont trust anything from LTT anymore after the scandal, I dont think they can win me back after the truth came out about their methods, professionality, and especially Linus' response to it all. I unsubscribed, but they STILL wont stop recommending it... so I check it out from time to time, and its always the same... id rather watch any other tech youtuber, even if they are sponsored content. And I hate sponsored content... you could say my alter ego is Jimmy from South Park.
@@digitalphoenix72 why the hell are you in the comments of an LTT video in this case lmao
@@digitalphoenix72this is like, peak lame basement dweller energy
@@digitalphoenix72 then why are you watching?
6:44 It's all about immersion. You can shoot a group of guys faster with a mouse than in VR, but ask me which one is more fun.
Make no mistake ... the brake pedal is where it's at. Having a good brake pedal can really give you an advantage. The wheel, after having Force Feedback in general is a slight improvement from geared FF to belt FF to Direct drive. Also having a fly off handbrake if you want to drift or go rallying really helps. If you go GT3 or F1 the wheel's switches become more important so you can adjust the settings on the fly. Especially if you drive in VR, which is a very good alternative to 3 screens. If you start building a serious rig, and you can't afford all the stuff at the same time (like me) I think it is best to start with a rigid and moddable frame. So as you improve your rig you still can use the same frame for all your extentions and improvements.
Next Level Racing has products that integrate with each other as you upgrade your set-up all the way to motion seats.
But the most important thing is comfort and health, i damaged my back bone and the bone in the middle of the butt( i don't know what it's called in English) because im too immersed and sitting too long sim racing in a bad posture in a cheap badly designed chair
I had a G290 wheel and I'll tell you that it makes way more difference having a range than resistance. I race on my friend's Thustmaster and the brake pedal has good gradual resistance but I could set better times on my rig just knowing the range. (I removed the rubber block) Also, Pro Tip, we like to keybind the handbrake to left paddle, since we exclusively use the H-pattern.
@@PikemanLures For me muscle memory works better than pedal travel. And it is way closer to real driving. I can translate everything into real driving except for the G-forces. But they give me additional information so. Driving fast in reality is easier than in sim ... for me at least (Since I feel no fear, when I think, I know what I'm doing).
I only use H-pattern for Cars that use H in reality. When there's paddles in the real thing, I use paddles. I even use 3 different wheels for 3 different kinds of cars. A clean one for Drift, Rally or Oldtimers, an average wheel with a few butons and paddles for street legal cars and the fanatec Mclaren GT3 for modern race cars.
Brake pedal is more important than gear vs belt vs DD. Throttle pedal is strangely not usually a problem, which is a bit odd since you need a lot more finesse with it.
I got into sim racing during 2020 while being off work. I got the TM T300 RS GT. Built my own rig. Realized that it was something I thoroughly enjoyed. Bought the NLR F-GT and haven't looked back. It's a fantastic mid-tier setup. One thing I think is worth mentioning, when you set-up - be sure to reference proper ergonomics - especially if you become an enthusiast like myself. Musculoskeletal injuries are not worth it.
yes they are :)
I have a DOF 3 degree setup and I don't have injuries... if you do you need to be hitting the gym and not sitting in a chair racing.
@@thomgizziz They're talking about injuries that result from poor ergonomic situations. If you spend hours and hours in a bad seating position you can give yourself back problems, nerve pain, other nagging "overuse" type injuries that could happen whether you're in good physical shape or not. But yes going to the gym is good too.
he TM T300 is a great little wheel to get into sim racing, you made a great choice. I will say, the pedals TM where never up to much good but certainly do the job. Fanatec have a pretty cheap pedal set called the "CSL Elite" that when combined with an adapter, will take that T300 to the next level. The pedals cost roughly around $65/€59.99/£52. They feel ridged as anything and allow for a lot smoother throttle and break application. You can even take those pedals I mentioned even further by buying a loadcell kit for them.
@@ross302cias a single dad of 4 with custody I work out but drive forklift for a living and that shit compresses my back so much that I practice stretches and techniques when I jump off my lift…and some back cracking or stretching techniques that I found on TH-cam where a godsend….but by Friday I’m sore and tense and the weekend I heal up…it’s not the worst pain, but proper posture and seating is key….
The vr is beyond worth the setup, the immersion, the depth perception coming into corners, being able to see out the side windows when youre sliding, it just makes it so much better
The only game I've consistently used it in is Assetto Corsa via Content Manager, but I haven't had any issues after setting it up the first time. It's worked fine in a couple of other titles the little bit I used it too. TV/Monitors can definitely be an immersive killer arcade experience that some people might even prefer. VR on the other hand is as close to the real thing as you can get to driving like a maniac without causing yourself serious bodily hard.
Having played Dirt something in VR.... it can become a puke machine very fast. Its fun while you're doing flat asphalt circuit stuff, but on bumpy curvy roads I had to take off the VR set within minutes and was feeling shit the rest of the week.
I also imagine it's way cheaper than setting up and mounting 3 huge screens
@MrRoeltej I don't tend to get those issues, it really just depends on the person. I've spent a few thousand hours in vr by now and I'm largely unphased by weird motion stuff
@LashanR ya it's just kind of an all around win imo
I'm 47. I've been using computers since I was 3 years old. My mouth dropped open to the floor when Alex talked about all the finnicky adjustments he makes to his monitor throughout the day.
I mean, to each their own, but in 44 years of spending way too much of my day in front of a monitor, I've never once considered adjusting brightness or color temperature to compensate for time of day.
I'm definitely Team Linus on that one.
not entirely sure , but ive been using the macos feature to automatically tweak the warmth of colours ,so that when its darker, its much more softer, helps me sleep better. Avoiding any screen an hour before bed beats any :)
Pro tip - if you have a sim rig on hard wood floors, put two of your chairs wheels into a pair of shoes. Chair will not move lol
wouldnt that ruin the shoes tho
@@In.Another.Universe surprisingly no depending on the shoes. I've always worn skate shoes so they are a bit sturdier than running shoes.
@@In.Another.Universe Everyone has shoes that they never wear 😄
Thrift stores are full of shoes being sold for $0.50 👍
What I did for mine is that I got a flat metal bar and duct taped one end to the bottom of the pedals, then made a loop out of duct tape on the other end. Put one of the five "arms" of your chair through the loop, center that arm behind you, and bang - the pedals are always the exact right distance away from the chair
Thing to note is Logitech uses a gear set up for their wheels (beyond the Direct Drive wheel) and Thrustmaster uses a belt system. Belts are usually much quieter and there's more fidelity for around the same cost as a logitech wheel. Have a look at 2nd hand T300 or the slightly higher end TS-PC/TS-XW.
Or used fanatec csl/ club sport wheels from the real "hard core" users upgrading to direct drive.
Moza R3 bundle. Probably the best bang for buck wheel and pedal set out there. Direct drive, with support for PC and Xbox!
@@elbowsout6301 Always thought the R3 was just too weak. My TM TSXW puts out like 6NM and that's a belt.
Equally if you can get a good deal it's a must, I do know the Moza wheel mods are ridiculously pricey compare to say Thrustmaser T818.
I don’t have any complaints about the gear set up :D
@@BarkerVancity That has nothing to do with motor, it was the cooling fans that had issues, basically just replace with a small noctua and you good. Alternatively get the T300 because they had fixed it by then
It genuinely makes me smile ear to ear as a sim racer to see Linus making more racing content
Copy that! I love that sim racing is getting more popular!
It makes me nervous, the he will talk about things he don't know anything about...
Absolutely!
I always thought a force feedback wheel would be expensive, I didn't know a sub $1000 option was available to make it not feel like a "video game".
Racing is the only type of gaming I can ever get into.
@@AlwaresHUNI feel that everybody gets that from watching the video. And it's quite the norm for Linus to dive into stuff he doesn't know anything about. My take is that he's portraying the "beginners point of view" and more or less bradcasting a concept to the masses. I'm fairly certain mpst viewers are at a similar point as Linus, but now they'll dip their toes into it because they liked what they saw. To me that's a good thing.
“That heel toe would’ve been a little better if you weren’t in mocasins” meanwhile Senna driving the doors off an NSX around Suzuka in mocasins lmao
Legit. Must've never seen Senna doing it
my racing shoes are moccasins
25:37 Don't worry, the cameraman never dies.
Went from g27 to t300rs for drifting. Its more quick to rotate, not having dead zone in a middle, more smooth, not as loud. Force feedback is much stronger.
I would say both wheels are great for the price. Using it with quest 2 and never going back to monitor setup, the immersion is next level.
Drifting on Asseto Corsa?
@@reanukeevesauyes, assetto corsa, vdc cars
I just switched from vr to a large triple screen set up and can agree that vr is great but a large properly set up triple screen set up is so much easier to just get in and drive.
I too do drifting in assetto maybe I'll catch your door sometime online
For seeing this video in consideration of the changes y'all have made with processes after the pause, I'm impressed. The genuine enthusiasm, the editor commentary to reduce any confusion or misinterpretation of context, the awareness of other content and previous videos...I'm genuinely impressed. The quality has gotten a ton better and the video doesn't feel rushed, well done!
Seriously? For me this video looked more like a full-on ad rather than a good balanced video.
"Hey Linus, how about you build your own car in the game? Oh wow look at all the options."...
@@officerrambo i dont even know what game this is by the end of it
@@officerramboit's very clearly an ad, and I'm not blind to that fact. If I were to compare this video to something in the past before the GN call to action, I would not have anticipated clearer editor commentary and wider awareness of options in the market for watchers. It's entertaining, and informs the audience more than their past releases...as for calling it a "good balanced video", that can be super subjective and isn't my expectation 🤷
@@officerrambo Tbh, that's usually my reaction when I'm starting a new game and am suddenly presented with a series of things to pick from with several options that look like they matter, especially when I was expecting to go straight into a match or whatever
I used to play Dirt 3 a lot on that thrustmaster and I was setting world top 10 times, and even got a world record with it, so you certainly use them with no issues.
I have to add that Fanatec's CSL DD bundle which includes the motor base, the steering wheel, and pedals is $400 which is really great value for how nice for how high quality they are. If you are getting into sim racing and think that you will get into it, I highly recommend this bundle and to put it on a cockpit like what Alex has.
Except the horrible QC from Fanatec, if you're on pc only I would rather get a moza base or simagic alpha mini.
@@Broodjemetbeleg reasons for that? Ive been shopping around for a new Wheel setup and was looking at that Fanatec are they known to have issues?
I have the DD, and the QC is good. I want to upgrade to the 8nm power pack. I like the newer versions too without the goofy wrc theme like I have.
@@thumperstick Just because your unit is good doesn't mean there isn't QC issues. Most brands has
well duh, but mine IS good. so I shared my personal experience after actually buying the product. also it has a warranty and a return policy. It's a good deal for $349. I've owned it for over a year and it is as precise feeling as the day I bought it and I use it multiple times a week. It's a direct drive wheel, it has 1 moving part inside of it. the pedals have also been very durable and well constructed. so seriously, what exactly is your point besides pointing out the obvious? @@xwiick
It's cool to see not just the cheapest possible and craziest setup, but to also see what you get on a very reasonable setup. I wish LTT would show those more.
The second set up was a low middle of the road set up.
I feel like they do that a lot tho.
Yeah the mid tier was the Logitech g29 with force feedback
@@middelz2g29 definitely is low end now
Mid range now is like moza r9 or csl dd
Except this guy doesnt really knwo anything about sim racing. G29 is the very low end of gear. Not the lowest but almost.
Late to the party here, but I figure it's worth mentioning, you guys could totally do a video on arcade-style fight sticks for fighting games. Much like racing rigs, there's a ton of variety for a ton of price ranges. I bought my first one recently and there was a whole world of peripherals I had no idea about. Could be an interesting video.
Oh yea. I remember when I was really into fighting games about 5 years ago I completely customized a horizontal fight stick with sanwa buttons and new fight stick. Then built a fight stick from custom template for tekken with a korean style bat stick and switches. Such a beautiful fight stick I was gonna sell it but it is so pretty and my first ever built fight stick. I'm garbage at fighting games tho :5
@@michaelmonstar4276 Not necessarily all too niche. SF4 sold million quantities, and lots of people play with a basic gamepad. There has been a mild resurgence in the genre, while racing is sort of on the decline.
There are also inexpensive and accessible ways to go about it to get some really decent fight game controls, if you can make a plywood box, or learn to in a weekend with basic tools, you can build your own for very cheap, and there's any number of manufacturers for any budget. You can also add built vs bought competition and things going wrong for general entertainment. Racing best you can do on a tiny budget is DFGT and that just doesn't make for great video entertainment.
I want the test to be on street fighter 4 doing a dragon punch FADC into Ultra or no test at all lol
I play f1
@@DoWorkNP Try Tekken 8. Pretty sick.
My opinion is spend as much you can afford if you really like sim racing, but once you’re above 5k it’s mostly preference.
Yes! We need more racing sim content!! There are tons of people looking to get their first setup and while there is a lot of information out there, it's all over the place and not always focused on beginners or those looking to upgrade their experience.
you should probably look for channels that focus on sim racing rather than channels that makes random sim racing videos for fun if you are serious about getting into sim racing, try boosted media for example they have a video series on gear advice for beginners
@@hyde129do you have any suggestions? Brand new to this stuff
@@leewickert9523 depending on your budget and space, I would say the Moza r5 bundle + next-level gtelite pro (total cost ~800usd) would set you up for a pretty decent beginner sim racing experience and you can upgrade from there if you decide to commit into the hobby, again I would recommend getting some sim racing basic knowledge from other sim racing channels on yt before making a purchase decision
Best beginner wheel to me would ba a Thrustmaster T300 @@leewickert9523
Fanatec one costs only 450$ as a DD bundle, not that bad
Force feedback can be an expensive feature, but if you're shopping for a wheel, make sure that it at least has rumble. It makes a huge difference.
Rumble and Force Feed Back are different
@@larryfoster423 no where in his comment does he say they are. hes saying if you cant afford force feedback get one with rumble
If you can't afford a wheel with FFB stick to a controller until you can. There's literally no point in using a non-FFB wheel, even one with rumble. It's just going to feel terrible and you're going to be slower
@cheeseman83 I was not stating that 1 was better than the other. I was only metioning that they are different. I have helped people just getting into simracing who did not know the difference.
Forcefeedback I think is the bare minimum to have if getting a wheel. It's just sliding, weird feeling wheel is nothing like a real car if not using force feedback in a wheel
I genuinely have never been interested in WRC but after watching this I now want to play it in a full cockpit 😂
This looks more fun than 95% of the games out now.. only 10k (awww dam!)
me too I want one!
I think this game might get me to get a VR headset
I mean honestly if It wasn't for sim racing I wouldn't even be playing my PC that much....
and the advertising was successful 🤣
25:38 - to be fair, that is the group B experience. The whole category was cancelled after a few crashes and driver deaths. Final nail in the coffin was a collision with spectators, 3 dead and 30 injured, all the manufacturers pulled out.
Okay…please do this same video but with flight sims!!!
The Ferrari Spyder thrustmaster barely worked with any of my many racing games. It did 7 years ago, but now Forza was the only one I had that worked reliably. The crew kinda almost worked.
Can I ask what platform were you using mine worked perfect on xbox and when I sold the xbox I used it on pc until windows 11 came and basically bricked it
@@Roach420 I'm on PC and yeah I completely understand the Xbox one is for Xbox and the PlayStation one is for PlayStation. The Xbox one is compatible with PC but on a case by case basis because of Xinput.
There was a review that said it didn't work on the newer Xbox or something similar to it being case by case as well
I have the Ferrari edition in my basement. Poor fella. It only had a life with Forza and Xbox One. The Logitech force feedback GT still runs with my PS3 and gets all the love
For 10k i better be getting a car
You get all the cars.
@@MarcoDGallego 🗣🔥
well be getting a Miata with this one 🔥🔥🔥
All the cars and none of the maintenence
simracing you only buy once. real racing you need tyres and other stuff everyday
i like it how you guys both played it down how much you know about simracing
VR is incredible for racing in particular. Very surprised at Alex's take. Glad it got some callout though, and glad its coming to WRC.
I was never into racing sims untill I got a VR headset. got Dirt Rally on a steam sale and now I have a full sim rig....
it really is a game changer in the most literal way...
When they reviewed the weird "personal cinema" headset with Luke -- Alex said that it made him very queasy ("it's like 20 beers") and there was no way he was putting the thing back on. Maybe he just doesn't get on well with VR headsets.
@@Metal_Maxine When it comes to VR, having your IPD dialed in and correct is the key (especially for me). If the IPD is off even a little bit, I get massive headaches and can't stand the experience. I use a HP Reverb G2, and I've never regreted buying it (basically at launch).
Me and my brother mostly do circuit racing (just for fun!) but we both were instantly faster when we started using vr (that was when the original vive was new) compared to using monitors, especially on tracks that we rarely do. What makes the difference for us is that the image is where you look at. Because of this we can aim the car much better.
So yeah, i don´t get Alex' (and Linus' for that matter - vr always simply worked for me after the initial setup) point there either. The improvement in immersion and driving precision is definitely worth the extra setup time. And it takes up way less space than a monitor - let alone a three monitor - setup.
I threw up when I tried vr haha😢
We need a dedicated video of Alex driving full stages on the motion rig
Would love to see one of these for flight sims assuming there's someone on staff in that niche.
As a flight simmer the near complete lack of VR adoption in the racing sim community baffles me. There are a few fuds in the flight sim community who swear by monitors, but VR has been pretty widely adopted. Widespread use of force feedback is cool though, it's rare and expensive in flight sims
Id love to see them go through mouse and keyboard, controller, VKB gladiator, virpil constellation and tell us their impression of each setup. Whether it's dual stick or stick and throttle (with or without pedals for both)
@@jonathanpatry Make sure to have someone inside the niche host it then; going from 0 to 100 adds so much useful functionality and ease-of-life things that a random person simply wouldn't appreciate or know how to judge. Much easier with sim racing since everyone has driven a car
How do you like using flight sim accessories in VR? I'm mostly into the truck sims ATS/ETS, and the only thing I don't like about VR is when using my monitor, I use my tablet as a "button box" for the switches and such. I can't do it while in VR because I don't have the tactile feedback of a real button box.
Honestly, as a sim racer, I'm not even close to considering VR as of today. Some sim racers use it, but it's clunky, robs performance which is more important in racing than in flight sims, it's heavy, uncomfortable for long periods of time, and it gets hot and sweaty in there. Although the guys who use it do say it feels quite realistic.
@@luizarthurbrito Quest 3 has been epic for me, I switch between though (triples and vr), AMS2 and AC look great in VR and aren't hard to run either
You should have included testing the gyro in the PS5 pad. I found my DS4 tilt control to be a really good free substitute before I got my wheel. It's amazingly accurate
My dad built his piloting/racing setups structure out of wood and it works fantastic, it's even adjustable!
My dad has aids
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Really enjoying WRC, similar to Dirt Rally 2.0 only with much more accessibility. A second hand Logitech wheel is how most of us get into sim racing. Bonus tip for those playing on their PC chair; try swapping the wheels out for glide castors to keep in place
wheels on chairs are absoluely ridiculous
Or just put a shoe with a grippy sole facing backwards on each wheel.
Good tip about the wheels/castors! Personally, I cut some random old thick printer cable in half, tied them into circle-shapes, and put them under the wheels that are facing toward the back of my computer chair. It's a thick cable, somewhat grippy plastic, keeps those wheels from turning. My chair stays rock solid even when I'm braking hard, but it's still easy enough to push around. I leave them there all the time
@@ThatGuyFromDetroit lmao they are just s adumb idea to use from day one. get a proper comfy sofa type chair
Happiest I've seen Alex been without a hint of worry in his face lmao
I love seeing Alex acting like a big kid.
I'm just glad to see Alex in video that I can remember. It's been rare to see him lately.
Totally agree with you, racing without a wheel with force feedback is not giving. All that changed today with a brand new Logitech G20 (with gearbox) quite affordable and happened to fit easily in my current setting without resorting to a frame. Went from car uncontrollable to the point of being unable to race, to ending in the middle place of a quick race with 8 other cars in just a few hours of practice, building track and controls memory, mastering speed and cornering from visual and feedback cues !
I never comment on LTT videos, but this was just so fun and enjoyable to watch! Thanks to you all!
Yeah! I love the editor of this video too.
I agree this video was fun af!
can confirm this was fun
Fanatec one costs only 450$ as a DD bundle, not that bad
To be honest on 25:31 it pretty historically accurate for group B rally.😂
Fellow simracer here. Just bought WRC and seeing you review warms my heart!! Thank you for touching sims topic once again!!
I have had the same Logitech G27 since 2012 and I still use it to this day! Hands down best wheel! Best value and has the most buttons it seems to get everything set up just the way you want!
Ive had mine 2nd hand for 12 years and zero problems
Great video, I'm not gonna lie the fact that Linus short shifted that car *every* time the turbo started to spool was maddening. I'd love to see you guys do a "Sim Racing for beginners" game round up that talks about what games are the most accessible for people getting into the hobby.
Any sim with helps on and slow cars. Slow is smart. Learn the game.
Gt7, Forza... especially with. A wheel they both feel real good and give you an idea of what a full sim game will feel like. They bridge the gap between hardcore sim racers and arcade racers pretty good.
For real, a vr setup and a Logitech g29 combo has made for some of the most fun gaming sessions I've ever had. And the sweat is no joke, I have yet to find another gaming experience that makes me sweat and stresses me out the way that a racing wheel and VR headset has. Good stress though. That competitive effort sweat, not anxiety and stress sweat
g920 but same setup, Honestly, I play without vr and with, I find Im the same in both,
Thrill of the fight is way more intense
I actually find that playing sim racers with pedals and wheel in VR makes me much better at the game, thanks to the added awareness it gives me.
On a single monitor the view I have is so restricted I end up driving much more cautiously.
It'd be interesting to see staff try both and see how they fare.
Definitely. VR adds a huge amount, probably as much as a ff wheel. I'm still using basic fanatec csl pedals tho. Really need to upgrade them.
For me it's the 3D effect that lets me judge when to brake way better.
I used to exclusively play in vr but now that WRC doesn't have vr it's actually not as bad. I think VR made a huge difference when I was new but now I'm kinda digging the easier setup. Still looking forward to when they add VR for the immersion factor.
VR really hits that itch, with fov and free look. Be it racing or American trucking. You don't need 4k big format gaming monitors.
Same. My senses are heightened in VR and I feel more consistent in my lap times.
9:47 the poor dog looking at Linus with nervous eyes 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Found myself laughing when Linus said "Oh my gosh! I hit a guy." And immediately felt the crushing pain of loneliness from laughing alone in a dorm room.
its okay man i laughed at it too, so we can say we laughed together
same
Laughing from Dallas Texas USA Here, we all on the internet watching this video laugh.
damn
I got a Simucube 2 Sport and a set of Heusinkveld Sprint pedals. It's only really worth it for hardcore sims that put a lot of effort into the tire model and force feedback but holy hell is it impressive to use. The muscle memory you get with load cell brakes and the detail and response from a direct drive wheel are incredible
Thats a nice setup
when i was a kid i had a playseat (racing seat) with a g25, playing mostly need 4 speed on ps2. good video showing good setups
FYI to Alex about that display OSD - most monitors have display port ddc or HDMI I2C communication so you can use software to control the monitor. Real life saver if you constantly change brightness (because PC side of things still didn't discover auto brightness which drives me mad)
I second this. The ddcutil package in archlinux repos allows you to control the display's parameters with the command of the same name over HDMI or DP. There may be a similar utility for windows.
@@patchouli_s75 Do you mean every paramater like even black level, contrast, and presets? cuz that sounds amazing
I had an EIZO monitor with auto brightness. It drove me mad.
The phone auto brightness also does. It almost works perfectly but then it doesn't.
I use a utility now for DDC brightness control. Previously i had some batch scripts which change a whole bunch of settings via DDC. I think that would be perfect for Alex.
I would love to see a similar video for flight sims! Need to see Linus attempt to land a 747 or A380
Or fly the UH-1H in DCS
Dirt Rally in VR with my G27 was one of the wildest experiences i had trying racing games in vr. Rally is so much fun!
For anyone trying to start in sim racing, any experienced racer will tell you that the most important part is a good solid cockpit. You can use the best wheel and pedals, but if your rig is not solid, you will be all over the place with your inputs, specially with your braking. 1)Get a decent cockpit 2)Get a decent brake pedal with enough mechanical resistance. If you only care about performance, you are 90% there already.
the funny thing about the ultimate setup is that EA WRC doesn't support proper triple screen projection unlike other simracing titles in the market like assetto corsa, rfactor, iracing, etc
Knowing how F1 games handle "simulation" I wonder how much of a simulator is this "simulator". I would prefer they used a proper sim. Especially that they had most of the equipment anyway, so it could have been sponsored by anyone.
Yeah Triple support is something that should be basic for any simracing game.
Not surprising with EA. F1 doesn't support it either. Most racing games with a targeted console release don't support it. At this point, any game that isn't supporting triple monitor and VR support is behind. Forza and EA are still behind the 8-ball on that, but at least EA is finally support VR. I'd play a lot more FH and GRiD if they had triple support.
@@sven679it's not, but lacking proper fov settings is a huge sin even for simcade.
They know about the issue and may be working on fixing it from what I've seen.
This video gave me the old ltt vibes, Linus reactions and explanations so fun
Buying a full racing rig like this is the best thing I ever did. Completely changed my life real talk.
It´s the best therapy we can have without visiting a therapist and it´s enjoyable as hell.
Which game?
Which rig did you buy?
I bought a second-hand quest 3 a few months ago, just this week I dusted off my 20 years old Logitech Wingman force-feed back wheel. Being visually impaired and not allowed to drive on real roads, this has been absolutely super fun! I'd live a wheel with a gearshift and handbrake :) I'm definitely jealous of some of that gear Linus!
Showing the sponsorship reqs is the best thing I've seen on youtube in a long time.
I love how this video is just Alex getting his boss to set up his gaming rig on company time! That cheeky smile when Linus cottons on though 😂 Never change mate!
Edit: And also making the system a tax write off since it's being used in a video! You cheeky bastard ❤
(Note: In Australia, "bastard" is frequently an affectionate term, just in case it's not the same in Canada!)
It's regional in Canada for it being acceptable. For the mostly papist Quebecois, that's never an affectionate word. Fućker, or variants, in the right tone are likely to be acceptable everywhere
I'm currently practicing for my drivers licence and Linus' description of no feedback perfectly describes driving modern cars
I'm in the same situation and I agree. My driving school has a Mercedes and two Jeeps. Driving the Mercedes is like flying in a spaceship while driving the Jeep actually feels like being in a ground vehicle.
Its really not you're just driving at low speeds on flat ground. Try some offroading and it would feel the same, modern car or not.
What kind of lunatic takes a Mercedes off road lmfao
@@karenwang313 What kind of lunatic pays 100k for a car and you can't drive on gravel?
@@karenwang313 err not heard of gwagon
you can grab stand similar to the ones they build integrated into the seat shown here in the video) which you can store behind your couch with the wheel/shifter/pedals all connected. All together running you around $480. I wish they shown that, but i know they get sponsored to show the big bulky stuff.
- Shifter runs for around 60 bucks (Logitech driving force shifter)
- Steering wheel + pedals at $300 (logitech G920 at $300 comes with three-pedal system, which means you get the clutch pedal too for extra immersion! the G920 also has an amazingly powerful feedback system that lets you feel each turn and even the rumble of idling.)
- Stand for between $90 and $110. It's compact, easy to assemble (took less than 10 minutes) and can be folded with all the equipment attached. The stand also works with thrustmaster equipment and flight sticks/throttles, so it's multi-purpose for flight and space sims too.
You don't have to grab a humongous driving bucket seat attachment if you like your computer chair and don't want to try stuffing it into a tiny room :)
I'm extremely happy that they did something like this. I just hope they do the same thing with Flight Sticks from super cheap to expensive. I would love to see it and there is a ton on the market for them.
As somebody who had their X56 on non-slip rubber pads on my desk (later got a pair of those L-shaped clamps) I’m interested to see what the most exorbitant balls-to-the-wall setup could look like.
@@thatdarnskag5043I'd guess virpil hotas and pedals with maybe an eye tracker
If Microsoft wanna sponser them to advetise flight sim they may indeed make that video!
Microsoft? Think more DCS or Star Citizen. Both of them are usually the games that have the extreme stick setups
I mean people build whole cockpits for tens of thousands of dollars@@thatdarnskag5043
I LOVE how you turned a sponsorship for a game into such a creative and informative video.
That's literally their only fucking job my guy
Love watching Linus slowly (and I mean snail pace) become a car guy has been amazing. Keep going Alex.
If you're gonna do the in-car view, get rid of the onscreen hands and wheel... you got your own. I personally like front or bonnet view. It's a much faster experience. Honestly, the best way to play racing games is the setup you have now with a triple monitor, Nvidia 3D vision, and surround headphones. The immersive experience is off the chart.
Would've been cool to get more exposure on the CSL DD. From what I understand, direct drive makes a huge difference over gear/belt driven because of the force + granularity/smoothness. The CSL DD is about $600 for the wheel, and I think the pedals were about $200-300. So for about $1,200-$1,400 including a rig, you can have something already close to that top-end experience.
Yes. Some people get caught up on the pure Newton meter force production, but DD wheels are more valuable not primarily because of their force production, but because of the low latency, high granularity, frictionless feedback. If you're eyeing DD wheels, and wonder if the lower power versions are worth it, or if you need to shell out, the lower power versions will still be light years ahead of belt or gears.
@@dogboy0912 yeah most people won't wanna get close to even half the max force feedback on direct drive wheels. I tried using my friends wheel which is like 15nm and my arms were pumped after an hour of playing
The basic CSL bundle is $400 when you get the basic pedals and wheel
@@totallynotbluu Ah, I see. Getting it for just PC is pretty cheap. But if you want PS compatibility, you have to pay double the price for the DD Pro
Though oddly, the $199 DD 5nm base, it wouldn't let me add to the cart. And the price of it in search is $349. Fanatec as usual having scummy business practices, or at least having such a bad website that I assume it's scummy.
One of the biggest factors even more important to consistency and and lap times would be a loadcell brake kit imo.
As a very expensive sim rig owner, I definitely recommend the full setup
As someone who bought the exact cheap thrustmaster wheel at a garage sale for 15 bucks, I'd say even that is quite a lot of fun
Get a rig you can always upgrade the steering wheel and petals later.
22:52 baited me into thinking it was going to be a sponsor segment in a sponsored video lol
As someone who has experience in Sim Racing:
Anything you can afford to start off with, as long as it has Force Feedback. Logitech, Thrustmaster, it's all personal preference.
After that, the next step is upgrading everything around your wheel, then, after you have a shifter, a wheel stand/bucket seat, you invest into a new wheel.
LTT + Rally is definitely not a combination I've ever expected but im a huge fan! Thanks for the video!
we NEED an LTT team just for simracing, the community is amazing and havine a bigger channel cover all this with that "Creative mode" budget would be awesome
It would be great but please don't go all hype for no reason and get people who actually know what they are talking about and are half decent, for me it's almost painful hearing Linus talk about it.
Off topic, genuinely love the changes to how LTT videos are produced now. There is no need for a new video every single day. Thigs feel way more chill, fun and laid back :)
I watch basically every video now, while before the change I watched like 10% or something
Same@@DerekSmit
25:29 LMFAO you can't script that, thats HILARIOUS 🤣
I'm quite happy with my Logitech G29. I got it with the H-shifter at no additional cost since the store was selling both simultaneously as a bundle at the time. I also agree that while the hardware makes the experience more immersive, it's the player's ability what makes the difference in the end.
Esports champions have used the G29, it's a great wheel.
i got that the pedals and shifter, add in a VR rig and you are rocking immersion
G29 is pretty bulletproof and has plenty of force behind it. I do recommend it to everyone who’s new to all of this. I don’t race competitive though, just like to cruise around in games.
There's programs you can run on your PC for adjusting external monitor settings like brightness with the DDC/CI protocol. Personally I use Monitorian, which allows me to change multiple monitors together at once and match them even though they've got very different brightness ranges (100% on one is closer to 70% on the other one).
Indeed. Someone also mentioned ClickMonitorDDC, which seems to give even more options regarding color profiles.
Although, I'd say it's easier to sick with Flux for just adjusting colors when it gets darker.
Currently using TwinkleTray and its awesome too!
I used Monitorian, but I prefer Twinkle Tray. I recommend trying out both.
I don't know why I never thought DBOX, known for their moving theatre seats (at least for me), would work with racing sims, but it makes total sense!
I spent like £600 total on my setup. Got a random racing cage for £100 on eBay, my Thrustmaster T300 RS GT with the L-TCM pedals for £300, an XRocker Adrenaline v2 seat for £25 on ebay (long story short I was sold a faulty seat as working, got most of my money back and repaired the issues), a £60 universal mounting bracket to bolt the chair to the racing frame, a T3HA 7 speed shifter for £65. Paired the 2.1 chair speakers and a cheap 2.1 front speaker system with a 600w preout AV system, and boom; a decent enough setup with 4.2 surround sound audio
Man I would love to experience that full race sim sometime. It looks like incredible fun
Even better in VR. Heck i'd go as far as to say it's the most immersive VR experience you can get atm.
Well, the second closest thing would be gokart 😅
Things I would buy if rich. Fully blown racing sim setup is definitely top 5.
@@Lord_zeelbut you don't look down at your shifter and wheel and pedals when you're driving lol
@@blad...you could buy a car and do it in real life. No need for a sim.
Love that Alex supports edison motors. I would love to see LTT do a collab with them, they are a cool company!
skookum racing setup can probably also handle truck sim
That Logitech setup with GT7 on PSVR2 is the most immersive gaming experience I've ever had.
i saved money by building my own desk, seat base and found a good conditioned car seat for the seat to mount onto the seat base i made.
I choose the Simagic Alpha wheel base because its so compact, good quality, and quick release wheel rim. SHH shifter does the job and made in Spain from 3D printed housing. then modified a pedal set to make them feel more realistic and better reaction (see video on my Moza racing pedal mod).
your right, no need for a $10,000 setup.
I'm actually a huge rally fan so this is insanely on time for Christmas
About the monitor, I use a tool called Twinkle Tray, which allows you to change the brightness of your normal PC displays without using the OSD. It does this using the DDC/CI-functions that also handles the thing where Windows sees your monitor's brand and model!
Dell displays have a similar OEM app for this too. Honestly a game changer
23:36 this is the coolest part of the new game, the fact they had the co-driver voice actor in the vibration seat is hilarious and genius
I basically learned to drive on gravel by trying things in Need For Speed VRally2, then duplicating them in an old Paseo on a really nice, wide road before they paved it. Now I cos-play a WRC driver on fire roads to let off steam. Linus’ reaction was spot-on for any non car-person’s first time-both on-screen & irl.
Having a sim would be nice, but I spend my spare cash on the fun cars 😁
IMO, the best upgrade to one of these setups is to get the frame and no chair at all. Go to a junk yard and get a good condition seat from an actual car. You can use the same bolts that it comes with to connect to the frame ( or to some wood if it works better for you ) No need for super expensive custom seats and lots better overall. As a plus, if it's a manual seat like in a base model Mustang, you have all the adjustments built-in. All you need is to bolt the four corners down to something. :)
+1 i use a recaro bmw electric seat with an old laptop charger to use the seat controls. I can do endurance racing hours and hours, zero disconfort.
30 dollars is fine to get into simracing. 300 dollars is fine to enjoy simracing, heck even 3000 dollars is fine if you have the budget. 10000 dollars is just an insane ammount for anyone.
If you're willing to spend 3k on a sim rig, 10k isn't that ridiculous
@@keppycs 7k is a lot of money, like if you have 3k specifically saved for a rig it's defo a lot to spend 10k
As you get into it you tend to upgrade over time. Similar to upgrading a pc. I started with a thrustmaster tx I got off my friend for $120. I've upgraded many times through the years. Currently have a sim rig that when added all together cost around 7k
@@keppycs if you're rich than yeah but I'm pretty sure anything over 3k you're really gonna hit diminishing returns
@@10mmGR Same! Started off with a T300 RS GT, and now I've mostly got Moza stuff worth 1.6k ;-; I hope I'll never reach that 10k mark xd
Great video guys, it's easy to over complicate a video on this topic with so much equipment out there to choose from. My brothers came over and had a blast with WRC 23 on my sim rig its great fun going for the fastest stage time. Sim racing has been a full blown hobby for me for the last few years and no other gaming experience has come close.
I like doing metal fabrication work so its been a ton of fun building a rig. Its helped me keep the price down without many compromises. So far I have made a sequential shifter, a load cell pedal box, formula wheel, custom frame, button box. basically a custom rig for all disciplines.
Everybody bashes/sleeps on that first thrustmaster wheel, but that’s because they’re expecting too much of it! I made a full rig using that wheel and pedal set JUST for outrun 2006 coast-to-coast on the OG Xbox (a non-sim, super arcade-y racer). All you need is a Brook adapter plugged into an original Xbox to USB female adapter. OG Xbox is putting out video via component cables to a retrotink 5X which sends 1440p to my 43 inch 4K monitor mounted on the rig. Game supports widescreen.
Since home ports of outrun 2006 don’t support force feedback getting an FFB wheel would be pointless anyway.
Let me tell you, this game/set up is STUPID fun. And the whole rig cost me just a hair over $300 to make (not counting the OG Xbox and a copy of the game which has admittedly spiked in value recently).
Resourcefulness is not having the best of everything but using everything you have in the best way possible. That wheel is so cheap, I bought two spares “just in case“.😂
EDIT: Oh, AND I modded an actual Outrun 2 SP arcade shifter to work with the wheel. Totally not necessary, but I like overkill😂
I love how proud Alex is of his performance on the controller. No hate at all, love it!