That 2018 season is VERY deceptive by the way : - league was in transition - only one 60 win team : Houston - neither Conference was particularly competitive Which makes the whole “KD Superteam” narrative a little suspicious : - the 2018 Warriors we’re NOT as good as the 2017 team - they took their foot off the pedal, and coasted during the regular season. - Lebron’s path through the Eastern Conference was at “JV” level, and even though Kyrie had left he still had KLove - 19/11 in the Finals - and a deep bench. - his EC competition (Cavs were the 4th seed) : Pacers (Best player : Oladipo) Raptors (BP : Lowry/DeRozan) Celtics (BP : 2nd year J. Brown) FIRST : anyone saying that a PRIME LBJ team, going against THAT field, ISN’T the favourite in every series, is being completely disingenuous. For context : the Rockets were the #1 seed…but NOBODY had them as the Favourite against the Dubs! SECOND : of the three EC series they played, the Cavs demolished the #1 seed Raptors (which they always did) in a sweep…but struggled against the lower seeded teams - both went 7 games. The East was MEDIOCRE, and yet the Cavs - the favourites - still had problems. THIRD : The Dubs WEREN’T unbeatable : the Rockets showed that…game 1 against the Cavs showed that…. My overall point is that while you can say that beating the Dubs may have been a bridge too far, Lebron taking the Cavs to the Finals with “no help” is overblown…
Shannon Sharpe argues his MJ vs LeBron points like a Filipino run LeBron love Facebook group. He literally sounds like a MJ hate meme. I'm waiting for him to mention Muggsy Bogues and using that as the definition of the 90's. The moment he said "Magic was like 75" he made it clear how limited his debate skills are. I'm certain Rich Paul and LeBron literally give him a script. 55+ year old former pro-athlete talking like a FB tween is pathetic.
Nobody said it did lmfao, Jordan media brainwashed NPCS into thinking an irrelevent stat such as 6-0 actually mattered. "Winning" until it's the first round, where losses there don't matter nor exist
Would haves and ifs don’t count. Even if we’re using what if scenarios and Jordan won 10 championships, he would still have one less than Bill Russell so does that make Bull Russell the greatest of all time. He actually does have 11 championships in 12 appearances. The argument shouldn’t be who is the GOAT. It’s who you like the most. There are way to many variables to ever determine who actually is the best of all time.
That’s ultimately the problem with this so called debate. In order to make it debate they have to try to tear down MJ accomplishments cause their crush can’t live up to them. That in itself ends debate. 10 scoring titles with 9 all defensive times if it’s so easy someone do it I guarantee it’ll never be done.
The fact that Shannon Sharpe bold enough to fix his mouth to say Jordan didn’t play anyone is so disrespectful to everyone in that era. That “He played plumbers” bs needs to stop
@@CHINA2TAPSyeah? Why only 3 championships and 6 losses on a weak conference playing with 2 all stars though?.. 10 championships hahaha you are funny dude
@@jamesstarter apparently you do this is why you responded! Kwame played 12 seasons in the league he wasn't no bust he didn't have all of those high standards Lebron had
@@maddawgjax actually i could give af fuck less but you made a weak ass point to post a dicksuckin comment about kwame brown under a Jordan and lebron debate. Who the real fuckin wierdo here?!? 🤣
Shannon wanna talk about who MJ faced in his era but one thing is for sure, Shannon will never in his life talk about who lebron was facing in the weak east while he was in his prime playing constantly with two other all stars.. that would just destroy the narrative
@@melvynsngltn27Chicago was trying to get past the bad boy's Pistons finally got past them by sweeping the bad boy's out of the playoffs the same way the Denver Nuggets swept the Lakers this past season.. lol 😂
@@melvynsngltn27 Nope they wasn't the Pistons were coming of back to back championships.. Dude I was there 21 years old at the time born and raised in Detroit
@@JamesLee-nw8kz and the had there worst season since 1986 right or wrong? Isiah had his worst season ever right or wrong? Isiah even got benched during the playoffs right or wrong. Like I said Chicago won not taking nothing away from them but they were already favored before the playoffs started
6-0 does mean nothing as an argument, when you have people who have won 7-0 and 8-0 and bill won 11. Can’t use nba championships as a definitive reason. That’s a team accomplishment not player accomplishment. Hell argument can even be made that Kareem is the goat all time over jordan
They had a Jordan era. But did they have a Lebron era? No! Did Jordan ever get swept in any finals? No! Bron? Twice! And Bron having the most career turnovers, takes him off the GOAT conversation. 😉😂🤣
Great video and thanks for sharing. LOL at Shannon when he thinks he can make an argument by raising his voice and yelling lies = like Magic was 73 years old!!
Jordan? He faced the 1991 Lakers, the 1992 Blazzers, the 1993 Suns, the 1996 Sonics, the 1997 and 1998 Jazz. Each of those teams had at least one or two Superstars and Hall of famers. Plus, he disposed of the Pistons, Knicks, Pacers, again with superstars and hall of famers. Did LeBron leave a Superstar Hall of famer without a ring? Jordan did: Barkley, Ewing, Malone, Stockton, Miller, among others, never won a ring because of Jordan. You catch my drift Shannon Sharpe?
I don’t think any of a lebrons title teams would beat the teams the Bulls beat. His teams couldn’t even beat Orlando and an aging Boston team. When his teams were favored they lost to Dallas and San Antonio. There is no debate!
@@CHINA2TAPSHighschool in todays league? Shaq and Kobe lost the the Jazz, Lebron didn't win until the 90's star were gone, btw Wade won his first chip in the 2000's something Lebron couldn't. That is why Lebron run to Wade to win only to loss the old Mavs which couldn't win a chip in the 2000's.
Mj 3 peated twice something lebron can never do LeBron can try to twist the narrative only ones with his cronies in the media but the fact of the matter is LeBron James will never be in the same league as Michael Jordan
I don't even know why MJ / LJ is being debated. Without question MJ is in another league to LJ. MJ transcended the sport and made it global. You can only fully understand MJ''s impact on the game if you think globally.
How's it that people forget to mention MJ has not one but two Olympic gold Medals. One as an amateur, and one as a Pro. Both teams never lost and his amateur team actually beat the NBA players. SMH
What no one seems to mention about MJ's olympic teams is that at the time, basketball was not a global sport. I mean the best foreign player in the 90's was a 6th man of the year candidate in Toni Kukoc. The best foreign players in today game are a stratosphere better than those in the 90's. Another example of how today's players are much, much better (more athletic & more skilled) than the 90's and past eras.
@@phillyphan1346 Youvsoind like a crazy person. None of what you said is true, just myth. Players today are all point guards with ZERO fundamentals. Today's NBA player is a joke.
Sharpe cracks me up when he says Magic was too old in 1991 (32 years old/just won MVP 2 seasons prior, Lakers were a very good team that year), but Lebron beating Duncan and the Spurs in 2013 when Duncan was 36 and then getting beat (4-1) by 37 year old Duncan is completely different 😂. Come on, Shannon…let’s keep things reality!
Yea it makes no sense, not only that look how LBJ fans add years to LBJ’s age. You seen them now saying “look at LBJ doing this at 40 years old”...so that means we can do the same, that means he lost to 39 year old Duncan lol
Shannon will keep getting cooked if he continues to spout nonsensical things like longevity with more losses than wins, acting like Magic was a washed old man, or social media scrutiny (Rich Paul); his 21-year storm didn’t seem to cast a cloud over the entire NBA
I don't think anyone has cooked Shannon on the Jordan vs LeBron because unfortunately, most personalities on TV defending Jordan are terrible at remembering his accolades and numbers, yet they still can beat Shannon because the difference is so overwhelming. You can't really say lefraud is the goat without making a fool out of yourself.
@@carlosrobles5591 I think they do that in purpose just to keep the debate going, if SAS or Skip really wanted to they would’ve called out Shannon for saying he had MJ as the goat for years and even Kobe over LBJ until klutch came calling. They won’t bc it would destroy the whole debate.
@@melvynsngltn27 if you telling me wade bosh and allen ain't then you a slow lebron fan by your logic pippen ain't a Hof also because wade is better than pippen so 🤷🏾♂️
You people obviously don’t watch it how many times did his teammates get hurt like almost every season lebron never did you people all probably forget pippen getting hurt and Jordan lost to Shaq and a game 7 but it wasn’t the finals so he’s good do get you guys
@@brianharron3435 MJ fans don’t talk about Jordan losing any other years he ain’t make the finals lol. If that was the case then they would mention how MJ had back to back to back first round loses. Lebron didn’t get a first round lost til 2021 at the age of 35. It’s actually a very tiresome debate. That’s why other sports debate are better. Look at the NBAs HOF compared to ANY other sports. The Nbas is meaningless cuz any and everybody gets in, even without winning much in their careers. “Charles Barkley” my man example of this.
Do Shannon Sharpe realize Magic Johnson was only 31 years old and MJ was 28yrs old in that 1990-91 NBA Finals. But also, do Shannon Sharpe know that Steph Curry was 30 yrs old when Steph Curry beat LeBron in the 2018 Finals? So Shannon Sharpe, that was a dumb argument
Lebron playing 20+yrs, but you can also say in a more physical era Jordan played all 82 games 9x. Even at 40 he played all 82 games. LBJ just once in a softer era.
Early 2000 pistons Nets Bulls Noah Luel deng Shane battier toney Allen keynon Martin's Ron artest. 2000 to 2010 wasn't no defense playing but hard fouls era but still damn good. Let's not forget the Ltrain who always got closed line or wrapped up b4 scoring.
Lebron fans love to say “Jordan played more than 6 years!” Fine, I agree. Jordan is 6-15 for finals wins and Lebron is 4-20. That’s even worse for Lebron. Lebron played longer, has been in his prime longer, and still won less titles when he had more time to win.
@@brianharron3435 Can I borrow your alternate universe viewing telescope? Clearly you must have one if you are claiming hypotheticals that you can't prove. We can all make up things we can't prove. Jordan would have won 2 more rings if he didn't retire in his prime. Jordan would have won every ring Lebron won plus the ones he lost. Jordan would have won vs Dallas in particular. But in the real world none of that happened and Lebron still failed to match Jordan in rings, let alone surpass him. If Lebron was better than Jordan he should have MORE rings, not less.
Let me say this. If MJ is 6-0 in the Finals because "He DiDnT pLaY aNyBoDy" (8 HOF, 4 60 Wins, 2 57+) Then why do these dumbass hype LeBron's 8 straight Finals when he was playing Bums every year in the Eastern Conference. Just to get destroyed in the Finals. Make it make sense
You are correct sir. I don’t LeStans understand had MJ not broke his foot his second year, or lost his dad after the 93 3peat,and Jerry Krause hadn’t lost his mind in 98 Jordans numbers would be a lot more. Let not forget MJ didn’t have the luxury of coming right out of high school and go straight to the pros.
Honestly, quitting, not playing for 2-3 years, then coming back and playing again is frankly more impressive to me than someone that just continued to play the whole time.
Whats more IMPRESSIVE to me is MJ won 3 straight championships, lost his father, went an played baseball, came back lost to the Magic with Shaq and Penny...and rededicated himself, knocked the rust off and won 3 more straight and was Finals MVP in every one.
@@BlkDieselyep. People forget people doubted Jordan would ever lead his team to a championship again after the loss to the Magic. So he prepared and repeated the same rare feat of leading a team to 3 consecutive championships for a second. Emphatically answering all those who doubt he could. He did it a second time with a completely different teammates and playing a different way then he did the first three-peat.
OMG I just realised, Jordan didn’t just prevent teams from being recognised as great and what not. He to say roughly ruined some “HOF” careers as well. Truly the 🐐
People forgot who Clyde Drexler was. People now clown on Charles. People now discredit and underrate John Stockton even tho he holds both records for assists and steals-and sure, Karl… but fuck that dead-beat pedo… seriously, two potential NBA phenoms if Stockton and Karl had one or two rings had it not been for MJ. Magic could’ve won another ring and beat out Bird-cementing himself as the legitimately, undoubtedly better player and would probably be considered the GOAT. People now forget who Kemp was, and some even underrate Payton. MJ did indeed ruin a few legacies. 10 Finals APPEARANCES can’t do as much damage when you win less than half of em.
Magic was 31 worthy was 30. Clyde was in his absolute prime Terry Porter also was averaging 21 a game in the playoffs. Prime Barkley and Kevin Johnson. The whole Sun's team was stacked go check out the averages. Prime kemp and Payton. And late in their prime but still prime stockton and Malone. thats just the finals Opponents. I don't Remember Jordan facing anyone that wasn't in their prime or was too inexperienced. The bulls were just so good defensively they made some teams great teams look mediocre sometimes.
@@alexmohr1072 certainly would not have won if pip wasn't on his side right? Point is, bulls was just a complete package, a super complete package. Compared to? ....
The team Jordan faced that was close GS was the 86 Celtics. Now it wasn't the finals, but they did have 5 HoF'erms. Bird, McHale, Parish, Walton, Johnson
They can't say that cause Jordan was only in the league 2 years.coming in in 84 while LeBron had been in the league 10 years before that Golden State team was formed
In the History of the NBA only 1 player has ever won a championship, mvp, fmvp, scoring title and first team all NBA on defense all in the same season....Jordan did it 4x. I beleive thats what the cool kids call a mic drop.
Shannon wants to change the narrative so he can ask a different question, but LeBron will always be looking up to Jordan. Yes 6 -0 in finals with 6 count them 6 finals mvps. That's the nba record and Jordan holds it. At the rate that LeBron is winning 40 precent in finals he would have to be playing in his 50's just to tie Jordan 😮.
@@antoniomiranda8691 4 wins championships out of 10 finals (40). However if we count its taken him 20 years to win 4 that like 2 every 10 years now that's 20 percent. Heck if we look at this stat alone there are what ? At least 6 players that has a higher win percent with least time or the same. Jabbar,, Kobe, Magic, Shaq , Duncan and Curry.
Meh, I would rather just have LBJ at 2 and not whine about bullshit that provides 0 context instead. You look like a woman all in your feelings over it meanwhile I don';t implicate myself with the dumbest viewpoints possible. He lost as the favourite once so that stat is meaningless and proves no context. All it does is announce to the world that you are feminine, the mans an all time great and you kids WHINING ALLLLLLWAYS, STEADY HUM. Can't even discuss other players in the league because you LeWomen get too emotional and bring LBJ back into it
If I recall correctly MJ did face prime Mark Price in the playoffs, that's as close as it gets to Steph Curry in the late 80s/early 90s. 12:49 - LeFlop sighting, MJ would never...
Always using the "team accomplishments" in the debate between individual players is pretty funny too. Especially when there's guys who got more than MJ.😅 Wheres the rings when he wasn't on the best NBA team?? Appearances ?? Conf F??
@3trakman3 championships is what matters few years from now another player is gonna break records but the one thing they cant take away is championships i would rather have a guy that won more then lost.
@@anthonystevenson830 U should only debate Temnis and professional 🎱 then lol. Or make me believe BJ Armstrong is a better PG than CP3. That’s how your logic works😂
Honestly. Malone would have ran through KD and Stockton would have schooled Curry. Each of the 90s Bulls team's competition would have destroyed each of Lebron's competition in all his finals appearances if you legit matched them up. The ONLY possible team that would have a chance with the 90's teams would be the 2013 Spurs due to their fundamentals plus the Heat BARELY beat them in that Finals. Lebron can thank Ray Allen for that.
@@vickystokes8514 If they couldnt handle the firepower of the Bulls. They damn sure wouldnt have been able to deal with the Warriors. The only teams with the offensive firepower of the Warriors were the 80s Celtics and Lakers.
Can I ask a logical question without LeBron fans getting offended? How does playing a KD led GSW Team for 2 seasons define the rest of his other 19 seasons he played? He was drafted in 2003 was he not? Did he play the GSW for 10 years? SMH
You do remember the Celtics formed a team to best Lebron then the spurs had a hall a fame squad but jordon would have scored 85 on any team and beat them right I am a Jordan fan but Jesus he wasn’t unstoppable when he had the greatest coach greatest rebounder greatest defender and and the Celtics and pistons studs were on the way out yet sure Jordan won took and few seasons off and came back to the same team because they were loaded if he won or even made the finals in his early years be impressive
@@brianharron3435You have it backwards... LeBron formed the heat to beat the Celtics... You sound ridiculous when you say the Celtics formed a team to beat a player they had never ever faced! Lol... LeBron had never played the Celtics before the Celtics championship year... Why would they form a team to beat a player who just got swept in the finals and a player they never played before? That makes sense to you? Now on the other hand the Celtics literally dominated LeBron 3 years in a row and most ppl believe made him quit the last year in 2010... LeBron literally joined forces with Wade to specifically get past the team who kept beating him... You can't say that at all about the Celtics
Anyone who seriously thinks that James is even close to Jordan has an IQ of less than 50. The only other professional athlete that could compare to the domination within their respective leagues was Wayne Gretzky. Jordan has done so much more for the NBA than any single player in the history of the game. I cannot even believe this is a conversation.
Bro Jordan won 6 times Russell almost double that it’s all about your team hence why Jordan only won 1 playoff game before pippen came alone don’t act like Jordan was unstoppable bro come one I was watching him for years lose before he won he didn’t just play 6 year my man lol
Anyone that says it isn’t even close is just a love sick fanboy whose opinion means nothing lol. If it “wasn’t even close” there wouldn’t be such a debate over it.
@voldemort008 it's not even close! It's a debate only because people who have only been alive to watch James think he's the best. Anyone who is old enough (me included) to have been fortunate enough to watch the entirety of both players' career, would always agree that it's not even close.
@brianharron3435 the team is what allows individuals to win championships. I absolutely agree with you on many levels. All I'm saying is that the impact Jordan had on the game and the talent he possessed was far superior to James. End of story.
I’m 52 born and raised in Boston bro watched Jordan tons of times get crushed by the Celtics once they got old just like the pistons the bulls loaded up and got there’s lebron is bigger stronger faster and a better passer and teammate but you know it all right
Funny thing is Shannon says 6-0 is nothing this is coming from a guy is 3-0 in Superbowl smh. Shannon should be ashamed of himself for saying that. 6-0. Jordan face great competition plus Chicago were the dominant monster to beat.
Why are we talking about Shannon Sharpe? He played like 30 years ago, obviously he was trash and didn't play against anybody since athletes have all evolved so much in the last 2 or 3 decades. Right Shannon?
It is meaningless, Jordan is 6-12 in the NBA and its mainly used to point out stupid flaws in LBJ. LBJ losing against teams that are expectied to beat him is why that is nothing. Yall whined so hard you did it to yourself. Bring some logic to your viewpoints and it can go back to just being he won 6 rings and how each of them were valued
@@simonjeremy1776 i already made it clear? I also commented on his record so why are you telling me it? Yep? Yea you never read a word i wrote haha. So many of you losers lately
Michael Jordan played five seasons without Scottie Pippen 84-85 38-44..First round exit 85-86. 30-52..First round exit 86-87. 40-42...First round exit 01-02. 37-45..out of playoffs 02-03. 37-45..out of playoffs LeBron james carried an absolutely horrific 2007 Cleveland Cavaliers team to the nba finals In the modern NBA era (post 1960) only nine NBA top 75 players have won a championship without another top 75 player as a teammate Rick Barry (1975) Bill Walton (1977) Hakeem Olajuwon (1994) Tim Duncan (2005) (2007) Kobe Bryant (2009) (2010) Steph Curry (2015) (2022) LeBron james (2016) Kawhi Leonard (2019) Giannis Antetokounmpo (2021) As you can see, LeBron James is on the list and Michael Jordan isnt Lebron james has won 17 playoff series, without an nba top 75 teammate. Michael Jordan won ZERO LeBron james has won 10 conference championships Michael Jordan won 6......Only Bill Russell and Sam Jones have more conference championships (In a mostly nine team league) than LeBron James In the year before Michael Jordan and LeBron James joined their team and the year after they left their team, their records were 83-84 bulls 27-55 84-85 bulls. 38-44 92-93 bulls 57-25 93-94 bulls 55-27 98-99 bulls 13-37 without Scottie Pippen 00-01 wizards 19-63 01-02 wizards. 37-45 02-03 wizards 37-45 03-04 wizards 25-57 02-03 cavaliers 17-65 03-04 cavaliers 35-47 09-10 cavaliers 61-21 10-11 cavaliers 19-63 09-10 heat. 47-35 10-11 heat 58-24 14-15 heat 37-45 2013-14 cavaliers 33-49 2014-15 cavaliers 53-29 2017- 18 cavaliers 50-32 2018-19 cavaliers 19-63 2017-18 lakers. 35-47 2018-19 lakers were 20-14 when LeBron James got injured on Christmas day. As you can see When LeBron James joins a team, the team improves more than Michael Jordan and when LeBron James leaves a team, the team always goes into the tank. Michael Jordan, excluding the 94-97 seasons, when the NBA moved the three point line to 22 feet, was a career 28% three point shooter. LeBron James is a career 34% three point shooter Michael Jordan was a great defensive player, in an Era where you could handcheck. Playing defense is much easier when you can handcheck. For nearly 6'9 250 LeBron James' entire career he wasn't afforded the opportunity to handcheck. THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR..LEBRON JAMES IS THE GOAT!!!!! I have added a Postscript So many have replied, that LeBron james didn't make the playoffs his first two years and Jordan did. What they fail to say is, in 1985, 16 of 23 teams made the playoffs. In 2004, 16 of 29 teams made the playoffs. It was MUCH EASIER Making the playoffs in 1985. Perfect example is the 1985 86 bulls went 30-52 and made the playoffs and the 2004 05 cavaliers went 42-40 and did not make the playoffs. Also, I don't know, possibly, maybe, Jordan had a HUGE ADVANTAGE considering he played three years of college basketball and LeBron James was 19 years old, and straight out of high school
@@vicepresidentmikepence889 LeBron never ever carried anything. He beat two 41 win teams and the Pistons without Ben Wallace. Then he choked on it in the Finals so hard he ruined his teams chances and then he had some of the worst playoff series in NBA history. Jordan was avg 43ppg on the greatest team of all time, he wasn't getting outplayed by 33y old bench players like LeBron
@@vicepresidentmikepence889 who TF thinks some ridiculous pussy of 75 players actually means something?! Buddy you haven't even been watching basketball for 15 years you're just being fed the talking points and ZERO NBA history
I LOVE how Stephen A called Shannon out about his comments on Magic in 1991. He didn't say he was _old_ when Magic appeared on his podcast. And since when is 31 considered old?
I don’t think people realize Magic was still considered in his prime at 31 and could still play. Had it not been for his HIV he still could’ve gave us 4-5 more years.
@@lfranklin118 He finished 2nd in MVP voting in 1991 and won the award in 1990. These guys are amping up 38yr old LeBron after my Lakers were playing like garbage for at least 70% of the season, but Magic was old??
@@atlien1988 no sir Magic was far from old dude made an appearance at 92 AllStar game an gave them buckets. I felt like Magic could have made it to 95 then retire at the end of season or having one more go at MJ in 96 before officially retiring for good.
You know many LeBron fans stay bringing up the golden state warriors with KD in terms of who Jordan faced that type of team. That makes LeBron look really bad knowing he lost to them.
It’s a lame argument, not only bc it’s hypothetical to say “MJ would lose to them” but bc in 2017 Shannon/Nick and the rest of the LBJ fans said Cavs were gonna win in 4. They said how KD can’t beat LBJ, Kyrie is gonna cook Curry but as soon as LBJ lost the narrative changed from that to “they’re unbeatable, not even MJ could beat them” lol
Yeah this is why they hate KD and still hate him to this day..And the man been in the league 21 years..Kobe,Wade,Kawhi,Duncan,jokic,curry and got rings during lebron watch..They acting like KD gatekeep lebron knowing he got beat many before and after that
His thunderstorm takes games off in the regular season. MJ didn’t do that. Tell me how many times each person played all 82 games. One of them did it so many more times than the other.
You ever been 6'9 and 270?? Wtf you talking about. The man played a TON of ball and this is what you whine about?? He is a giant human who has a ton of miles on his body. This complaint is so juvenile and childish. HOW needy are you lol. Do you understand Biology and how it works? You do realize its a lot more energy and wear and tear the larger you are? That many minutes played and you still whining, thats impressive to be honest.
Exactly. The Bulls had a banner. 72-10 don't mean a thing without a ring. But according to Shannon the 16 Warriors are the best team ever assembled... That's probably why they almost got bounced by OKC in the playoffs...
@@Cain353they also played better competition. Let's not forget how weak and mediocre the NBA was in 1996. Bob Costas from NBC, Dr.J, Bird, Magic all said the NBA was watered-down. Dennis Rodman in a 1996 interview said this league is so watered-down and filtered they could beat teams with there eyes closed
@@melvynsngltn27what’s the NBA now? A league where a 65 minimum game requirement has to be implemented because STARS can’t be trusted to play. sounds watered down to me
LeBron, in 11 healthy seasons in Cleveland, won one championship, lost four finals, and got swept twice while going 7-19 overall😬 Jordan in 11 healthy seasons in Chicago, won 6 championships, lost 0 finals, and never got swept in the finals 😬 and had a career record of 24-11in the finals 😬
Let's add, with MJ's team had the best NBA record till GS, won 2x 3 peats, no team has accomplished that yet. Lakers w/1. LJ w/all of his "superteams" hasn't come close to 96 Bulls record and not at least one 3peat.
If there were no better team and player than the Bulls and MJ, then the Bulls didnt' need to play any of those series to compete. Its an absurd argument that MJ didn't have any competitor compared to today's. Lebron just don't have it like Mike nor Kobe. Just give em the title and the championship LBJ will not even go far in the 80s and 90s era where MJ dominated that whole decade.
@@brianharron3435 so why did Bulls not win without Jordan? Why did Pippen not win when Jordan left? This argument is weak in my view. Jordan is the glue that made that team effective. When he left you saw that clearly.
6-0, only 1,5 superstars around him (Pippen sure, Rodman had no offense), a beast on both ends of the floor, dominated the era of the Dream Team - and never left Chicago, even they sucked for many years. All this should finally end the discussion on who’s the greatest ever
@@auc2.0 of course Kukoc was good, no doubt about it. But compared to who LeNarcissist had on the teams: Wade, Bosh, Allen, Irving, Love, Davis - all superstar players. Did I forget someone?
@@chilidrummer8333 Yeah Lebron also played with Westbrook and even though Howard,Rondo,Carmelo were past their primes they still were very effective at that point in their careers whom Lebron also played with.
The ONLY point that has to be made for MJ being the GOAT is that he did it all with ONE TEAM! and with the players he had!! He never asked to be a part of a super team or have one built around him!!
And don't worry guys that Rich Paul response video is in the making as we speak.
I was wondering if you were going to cover the recent Rich Paul comments.
Rich Paul needs to lay off whatever he's on..
That 2018 season is VERY deceptive by the way :
- league was in transition
- only one 60 win team : Houston
- neither Conference was particularly competitive
Which makes the whole “KD Superteam” narrative a little suspicious :
- the 2018 Warriors we’re NOT as good as the 2017 team - they took their foot off the pedal, and coasted during the regular season.
- Lebron’s path through the Eastern Conference was at “JV” level, and even though Kyrie had left he still had KLove - 19/11 in the Finals - and a deep bench.
- his EC competition (Cavs were the 4th seed) :
Pacers (Best player : Oladipo)
Raptors (BP : Lowry/DeRozan)
Celtics (BP : 2nd year J. Brown)
FIRST : anyone saying that a PRIME LBJ team, going against THAT field, ISN’T the favourite in every series, is being completely disingenuous. For context : the Rockets were the #1 seed…but NOBODY had them as the Favourite against the Dubs!
SECOND : of the three EC series they played, the Cavs demolished the #1 seed Raptors (which they always did) in a sweep…but struggled against the lower seeded teams - both went 7 games. The East was MEDIOCRE, and yet the Cavs - the favourites - still had problems.
THIRD : The Dubs WEREN’T unbeatable : the Rockets showed that…game 1 against the Cavs showed that….
My overall point is that while you can say that beating the Dubs may have been a bridge too far, Lebron taking the Cavs to the Finals with “no help” is overblown…
I can't wait!!!!!
Shannon Sharpe argues his MJ vs LeBron points like a Filipino run LeBron love Facebook group. He literally sounds like a MJ hate meme. I'm waiting for him to mention Muggsy Bogues and using that as the definition of the 90's. The moment he said "Magic was like 75" he made it clear how limited his debate skills are. I'm certain Rich Paul and LeBron literally give him a script. 55+ year old former pro-athlete talking like a FB tween is pathetic.
If 6-0 is nothing, then 4-6 means ABSOLUTELY nothing
Nobody said it did lmfao, Jordan media brainwashed NPCS into thinking an irrelevent stat such as 6-0 actually mattered. "Winning" until it's the first round, where losses there don't matter nor exist
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Absolutely nothing!
Why not go 1-9
It’s true. Individual accomplishments are how you measure GOAT status, not championships.
Will Smith needs to slap Shannon Sharpe and tell him to keep Jordan's name out his mouth. lol
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Slap some sense in his head because he doesn't know what he is saying 😂😂
This is why comment section needs to be taken away
@@ronb3913 Comment sections are living proof that Liberals are right, Men are indeed becoming women
@@ronb3913😂
6-0 means 100%. Imagine if MJ was to play 20+ years and no breaks, he might be 10-0!!
Probably 12, Phil and they had it if they wanted it, they new team play
6-9 he lost 9 seasons
He would of been 8-0 if he wouldn't of retired in his prime for 2 years. And not just 8-0 it would of been 8 in a row.
@@user-xm6jq8jc6y you fools forget he lost in 1995
Would haves and ifs don’t count. Even if we’re using what if scenarios and Jordan won 10 championships, he would still have one less than Bill Russell so does that make Bull Russell the greatest of all time. He actually does have 11 championships in 12 appearances.
The argument shouldn’t be who is the GOAT. It’s who you like the most. There are way to many variables to ever determine who actually is the best of all time.
That’s ultimately the problem with this so called debate. In order to make it debate they have to try to tear down MJ accomplishments cause their crush can’t live up to them. That in itself ends debate. 10 scoring titles with 9 all defensive times if it’s so easy someone do it I guarantee it’ll never be done.
And DOPY!!!
The fact that Shannon Sharpe bold enough to fix his mouth to say Jordan didn’t play anyone is so disrespectful to everyone in that era. That “He played plumbers” bs needs to stop
He did tho hahahahah. the competition actually isnt similar Lebron has 10 rings in MJ's position
@@CHINA2TAPSyeah? Why only 3 championships and 6 losses on a weak conference playing with 2 all stars though?.. 10 championships hahaha you are funny dude
@@CHINA2TAPSmj got results, lebron got excuses after excuses.
@@CHINA2TAPSand put MJ on the 2011, 2015, 2017 they’d win. And 2018 he’s not getting swept.
So stop with the conjecture arguments
@@CHINA2TAPShow old are you???
I’m convinced Shannon Sharp is on Lebrons payroll
He is, it’s been well established already. Not just him but Nick Wright, Windhorst, Dave McMenamin, Perk etc
Yes he gets a klutch sports check
Also his dinner date
To busy ridin' his nuts to be on his payroll.
Joy Taylor exposed live him years ago about it. Even Stephen Jackson said that he heard about that !!!!
One of the best breakdowns I've seen on this topic. Great commentary.
The teams in the 90's were just objectively better. The competition was just better by leaps and bounds.
Damn so magic won mvp at 72 and was the runner up at age 73? That better longevity than lbj 😂
👍
Magic was 31 in that finals, Mike 28. Steph Curry is 35, same age MIke was in his last finals.
@@BbbFffish yup and the ages of the 1991 pistons line up with that of KD era warriors
W comment
Why the debate? Hahahaha waste of time.. no arguement needed.. for this
I love what Kwame Brown said about Shannon Sharp! " He sleeps with Lebron blankets and pillows! 😂😂😅
Don’t nobody care wtf kwame bust says 😂
@@jamesstarter apparently you do this is why you responded! Kwame played 12 seasons in the league he wasn't no bust he didn't have all of those high standards Lebron had
@@maddawgjax actually i could give af fuck less but you made a weak ass point to post a dicksuckin comment about kwame brown under a Jordan and lebron debate. Who the real fuckin wierdo here?!? 🤣
After seeing how Shannon now dresses you probably could have left off the words "blankets and pillows" and it would have fit better
Man that shit was funny 🤣😅
the 90's nba time was just awesome, especially the bulls with jordan, pippen and rodman
It was great hearing Steven A cook Unc but it’s even better seeing the breakdown…good stuff my guy🤟🏾
Shannon wanna talk about who MJ faced in his era but one thing is for sure, Shannon will never in his life talk about who lebron was facing in the weak east while he was in his prime playing constantly with two other all stars.. that would just destroy the narrative
Just like Chicago
@@melvynsngltn27Chicago was trying to get past the bad boy's Pistons finally got past them by sweeping the bad boy's out of the playoffs the same way the Denver Nuggets swept the Lakers this past season.. lol 😂
@@JamesLee-nw8kz Chicago was the favorite going into the 1991 playoffs. Also that was the weakest Pistons team since 1986.
@@melvynsngltn27 Nope they wasn't the Pistons were coming of back to back championships.. Dude I was there 21 years old at the time born and raised in Detroit
@@JamesLee-nw8kz and the had there worst season since 1986 right or wrong? Isiah had his worst season ever right or wrong? Isiah even got benched during the playoffs right or wrong. Like I said Chicago won not taking nothing away from them but they were already favored before the playoffs started
Shannon Sharpe doesn't have the credentials to talk basketball. 6-0 means something.
@@vicepresidentmikepence889 why Lebron won 4 instead of 10 championships?
He’s just a drama queen who talks waaay too loud 😂
@@mosessupposes2571 Clowns provide free entertainment.
6-0 does mean nothing as an argument, when you have people who have won 7-0 and 8-0 and bill won 11. Can’t use nba championships as a definitive reason. That’s a team accomplishment not player accomplishment. Hell argument can even be made that Kareem is the goat all time over jordan
Wait why you say that
They had a Jordan era. But did they have a Lebron era? No! Did Jordan ever get swept in any finals? No! Bron? Twice!
And Bron having the most career turnovers, takes him off the GOAT conversation. 😉😂🤣
Great video and thanks for sharing. LOL at Shannon when he thinks he can make an argument by raising his voice and yelling lies = like Magic was 73 years old!!
Jordan? He faced the 1991 Lakers, the 1992 Blazzers, the 1993 Suns, the 1996 Sonics, the 1997 and 1998 Jazz. Each of those teams had at least one or two Superstars and Hall of famers.
Plus, he disposed of the Pistons, Knicks, Pacers, again with superstars and hall of famers.
Did LeBron leave a Superstar Hall of famer without a ring?
Jordan did: Barkley, Ewing, Malone, Stockton, Miller, among others, never won a ring because of Jordan.
You catch my drift Shannon Sharpe?
A lot of players on those teams FEARED MJ, you don't hear that about LJ.
Nah! Bcoz Shannon sharpe is so dumb 😂😂😂
I don’t think any of a lebrons title teams would beat the teams the Bulls beat. His teams couldn’t even beat Orlando and an aging Boston team. When his teams were favored they lost to Dallas and San Antonio. There is no debate!
actually highschool compared to todays league. you people dont know anything about basketball
@@CHINA2TAPSHighschool in todays league? Shaq and Kobe lost the the Jazz, Lebron didn't win until the 90's star were gone, btw Wade won his first chip in the 2000's something Lebron couldn't. That is why Lebron run to Wade to win only to loss the old Mavs which couldn't win a chip in the 2000's.
Mj 3 peated twice something lebron can never do LeBron can try to twist the narrative only ones with his cronies in the media but the fact of the matter is LeBron James will never be in the same league as Michael Jordan
I don't even know why MJ / LJ is being debated. Without question MJ is in another league to LJ. MJ transcended the sport and made it global. You can only fully understand MJ''s impact on the game if you think globally.
This is a darn good analysis. Thanks for putting out all these facts
This is the best breakdown & layout I have EVER seen. Whoever Dude is that put this video 2gether deserves an award....
How's it that people forget to mention MJ has not one but two Olympic gold Medals. One as an amateur, and one as a Pro. Both teams never lost and his amateur team actually beat the NBA players. SMH
IN FACT: MJ IS 11 - 0 IN FINALS, INCLUDING NCAA, OLYMPICS IN BOTH AMATEUR AND PROFESSIONAL, DREAM TEAM, NBA FINALS
How could anyone forget LeBronze, hahaha
@@brainzor777right? It took Kobe to go over there before they brought home the gold.
What no one seems to mention about MJ's olympic teams is that at the time, basketball was not a global sport. I mean the best foreign player in the 90's was a 6th man of the year candidate in Toni Kukoc. The best foreign players in today game are a stratosphere better than those in the 90's. Another example of how today's players are much, much better (more athletic & more skilled) than the 90's and past eras.
@@phillyphan1346 Youvsoind like a crazy person. None of what you said is true, just myth. Players today are all point guards with ZERO fundamentals. Today's NBA player is a joke.
Sharpe cracks me up when he says Magic was too old in 1991 (32 years old/just won MVP 2 seasons prior, Lakers were a very good team that year), but Lebron beating Duncan and the Spurs in 2013 when Duncan was 36 and then getting beat (4-1) by 37 year old Duncan is completely different 😂. Come on, Shannon…let’s keep things reality!
Yea it makes no sense, not only that look how LBJ fans add years to LBJ’s age. You seen them now saying “look at LBJ doing this at 40 years old”...so that means we can do the same, that means he lost to 39 year old Duncan lol
Two years prior! Magic won mvp in 1990 and was second in 1991.
How About The Celtics Team "Ray Allen" Beat...They Were Senior Citizens...Shannon Ignores This Though
1991 magic got hiv bro no yours facts
@@brianharron3435 Trying to Compare Lebron James to "Michael Jordan" is Like Putting a Silk Hat on a Pig
Shannon Sharpe and Kendrick Perkins need to buy knee pads when they get around Lebron!!
In Jordan's Era, one meant everything. Ask Barkley R. Miller, Malone & Stockton, etc
Shannon will keep getting cooked if he continues to spout nonsensical things like longevity with more losses than wins, acting like Magic was a washed old man, or social media scrutiny (Rich Paul); his 21-year storm didn’t seem to cast a cloud over the entire NBA
I don't think anyone has cooked Shannon on the Jordan vs LeBron because unfortunately, most personalities on TV defending Jordan are terrible at remembering his accolades and numbers, yet they still can beat Shannon because the difference is so overwhelming. You can't really say lefraud is the goat without making a fool out of yourself.
@@carlosrobles5591 I think they do that in purpose just to keep the debate going, if SAS or Skip really wanted to they would’ve called out Shannon for saying he had MJ as the goat for years and even Kobe over LBJ until klutch came calling. They won’t bc it would destroy the whole debate.
Next Shay gonna say M.J. didn't face Jason Terry.
"he had nobody"
unironically
with the 2011 Miami Heat
with 4 HOF on that roster
like holy fucking shit
Exactly, that argument holds no weight bc even when he does have help a superteam at that, he still fails lmao.
What 4 Hall of famers was on that 2011 heat team???
@@melvynsngltn27 if you telling me wade bosh and allen ain't then you a slow lebron fan by your logic pippen ain't a Hof also because wade is better than pippen so 🤷🏾♂️
You people obviously don’t watch it how many times did his teammates get hurt like almost every season lebron never did you people all probably forget pippen getting hurt and Jordan lost to Shaq and a game 7 but it wasn’t the finals so he’s good do get you guys
@@brianharron3435 MJ fans don’t talk about Jordan losing any other years he ain’t make the finals lol. If that was the case then they would mention how MJ had back to back to back first round loses. Lebron didn’t get a first round lost til 2021 at the age of 35. It’s actually a very tiresome debate. That’s why other sports debate are better. Look at the NBAs HOF compared to ANY other sports. The Nbas is meaningless cuz any and everybody gets in, even without winning much in their careers. “Charles Barkley” my man example of this.
These are the details that get looked over, nice work 👍🏾
I subbed from this video. I like your breakdown.
The way Shannon is yelling like that just proves he knows he is wrong himself lol
I been telling ppl this for yrs. All he does is say the most generic statements and if u don't agree, he says it louder
Do Shannon Sharpe realize Magic Johnson was only 31 years old and MJ was 28yrs old in that 1990-91 NBA Finals. But also, do Shannon Sharpe know that Steph Curry was 30 yrs old when Steph Curry beat LeBron in the 2018 Finals? So Shannon Sharpe, that was a dumb argument
Nice job with the stat comparison. Well done!
I love your channel always spit the facts
Lebron playing 20+yrs, but you can also say in a more physical era Jordan played all 82 games 9x. Even at 40 he played all 82 games. LBJ just once in a softer era.
Early 2000 pistons Nets Bulls Noah Luel deng Shane battier toney Allen keynon Martin's Ron artest. 2000 to 2010 wasn't no defense playing but hard fouls era but still damn good. Let's not forget the Ltrain who always got closed line or wrapped up b4 scoring.
The elephant in the room is LeBron has been smashing PEDs for over a decade.
exactly. that longevity argument is bs. his longevity came from self preservation, while mj always wanted to play and compete.
90’s defense is overrated. Wasn’t that much “tougher”. Only the fouls were harder. Hand checking is overrated as well
@@renierelagazo7888Why couldn’t Jordan’s prime be longer if he took a year off from the game then retired then came back? Stop moving the goalpost
Lebron fans love to say “Jordan played more than 6 years!” Fine, I agree. Jordan is 6-15 for finals wins and Lebron is 4-20. That’s even worse for Lebron. Lebron played longer, has been in his prime longer, and still won less titles when he had more time to win.
Better for magic though 5-13. Right there with Jordan
Put lebron on those bulls teams he’s winning all 6 no question
@@brianharron3435 Can I borrow your alternate universe viewing telescope? Clearly you must have one if you are claiming hypotheticals that you can't prove.
We can all make up things we can't prove. Jordan would have won 2 more rings if he didn't retire in his prime. Jordan would have won every ring Lebron won plus the ones he lost. Jordan would have won vs Dallas in particular.
But in the real world none of that happened and Lebron still failed to match Jordan in rings, let alone surpass him. If Lebron was better than Jordan he should have MORE rings, not less.
@@brianharron3435don’t forget to dust your knees off and clean your king Lebron James up after your done having him deep down your throat 💀😭😂😂
It’s a team sport buddy is pippen or Rodman got hurt and missed the playoffs Jordan isn’t winning that year noway
Like ur vids man keep it up
LeBron can play for another 20 years and he will still be under MJ, accolade wise.
another 50 years and still under MJ 💀
He will never win another championship or mvp so yeah.
@@FkTheUFC 😆😆😆
@@HiNRGboy 😆😆💀
@@FkTheUFC I Think The NBA Is Ready For Him To Retire
Let me say this. If MJ is 6-0 in the Finals because "He DiDnT pLaY aNyBoDy" (8 HOF, 4 60 Wins, 2 57+)
Then why do these dumbass hype LeBron's 8 straight Finals when he was playing Bums every year in the Eastern Conference. Just to get destroyed in the Finals. Make it make sense
It was tough getting past the Raptors every year to the finals you know. 😅
Jordan 2nd year he played like 16 games they won 30 got to the playoffs the nba was not the same
Brilliant analysis !!
Finally a comment section that gets it. Great video.
"MAGIC WAS 73!!!!!!" LOL I love Unc but he wrong on this topic every single time.
He was there and knows Magic was still in his prime lmaooo
Exactly!! Magic also was the league's MVP in 89 and 90. He finished second to MJ in 91 - Magic was still Magic
That’s what they do, they disrespect past Greats. That’s why nobody likes lebron because of his fans
Ayoooooo🤣😂😭
If Jordan never retired in 93, 98, doesn’t break his foot and doesn’t only play 68 games dude would be #1 in scoring by far
You are correct sir. I don’t LeStans understand had MJ not broke his foot his second year, or lost his dad after the 93 3peat,and Jerry Krause hadn’t lost his mind in 98 Jordans numbers would be a lot more. Let not forget MJ didn’t have the luxury of coming right out of high school and go straight to the pros.
If if if he didn’t what if he got drafted by a different team what if he didn’t have the best coach and running mate
And if he didn't go to college. MJ averaged 2152 pts per season. If he had played 19 seasons he would have 41k points....
If wilt chamberlain didn't quit basketball to become a hall of Fame volleyball ball player he would have had more 100 point games than Jordan had 50
Great analysis on the HOF counts, definitely enjoyed it
Excellent breakdown of the MJ vs Bron argument!!! Probably the best argument I've heard for the GOAT aka His Airness, ive heard!
Honestly, quitting, not playing for 2-3 years, then coming back and playing again is frankly more impressive to me than someone that just continued to play the whole time.
Whats more IMPRESSIVE to me is MJ won 3 straight championships, lost his father, went an played baseball, came back lost to the Magic with Shaq and Penny...and rededicated himself, knocked the rust off and won 3 more straight and was Finals MVP in every one.
@@BlkDieselyep. People forget people doubted Jordan would ever lead his team to a championship again after the loss to the Magic. So he prepared and repeated the same rare feat of leading a team to 3 consecutive championships for a second. Emphatically answering all those who doubt he could. He did it a second time with a completely different teammates and playing a different way then he did the first three-peat.
Facts
I’m going say that the bulls teams in between those years were 50+ win teams
Haha what you talking that’s no where more impressive but I forgot we are talking about Jordan so it is 👍
MJ dominated during the NBAs greatest era of centers
Wait name the centers
@@baconeggcheesepodcast9390 Shaq, Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, Mourning, Mutombo, Sanonis, Parish, Moses, thats just off the top of my head.
@@theroster906 hakeem & shaq.
Plus Duncan isnt a center, MJ also won 2 rings while duncan was in the league.
@@theroster906nigga forgot about Shaq 💀 u trippin
Did he face them in the prime in the finals lol
KJ was a beast I remember watching him play against the Lakers always been one of my favorite players
Best video iv seen yet
OMG I just realised, Jordan didn’t just prevent teams from being recognised as great and what not. He to say roughly ruined some “HOF” careers as well.
Truly the 🐐
Check the stats and accolades. Karl Malone would undoubtedly be a top ten player ever if MJ hadn't prevented him from winning chips.
People forgot who Clyde Drexler was.
People now clown on Charles.
People now discredit and underrate John Stockton even tho he holds both records for assists and steals-and sure, Karl… but fuck that dead-beat pedo… seriously, two potential NBA phenoms if Stockton and Karl had one or two rings had it not been for MJ.
Magic could’ve won another ring and beat out Bird-cementing himself as the legitimately, undoubtedly better player and would probably be considered the GOAT.
People now forget who Kemp was, and some even underrate Payton.
MJ did indeed ruin a few legacies.
10 Finals APPEARANCES can’t do as much damage when you win less than half of em.
Wait till you realize Bill Russell won so much that nowadays nearly everybody else from that era except Wilt are called plumbers
@@chieflancewaiters7034 shit outside of stats, Wilt also gets crucified for not winning more lol
Yes, MJ never had to face a goliath team like the 2017-18 Dubs... that's because MJ made his team the goliath team!
Magic was 31 worthy was 30. Clyde was in his absolute prime Terry Porter also was averaging 21 a game in the playoffs. Prime Barkley and Kevin Johnson. The whole Sun's team was stacked go check out the averages. Prime kemp and Payton. And late in their prime but still prime stockton and Malone. thats just the finals Opponents. I don't Remember Jordan facing anyone that wasn't in their prime or was too inexperienced. The bulls were just so good defensively they made some teams great teams look mediocre sometimes.
Seattle Supersonic had a very good squad back then they was the first lop city Hersey Hawkins was my guy from 3pt range he was deadly when hot
Facts
yall talking as if Jordan face them teams alone. hilarious.LMAO
@@REPinFirethey certainly wouldn’t have won without him. Go look at who has 1st place in almost every stat in the nba per game.
@@alexmohr1072 certainly would not have won if pip wasn't on his side right? Point is, bulls was just a complete package, a super complete package. Compared to? ....
The team Jordan faced that was close GS was the 86 Celtics. Now it wasn't the finals, but they did have 5 HoF'erms. Bird, McHale, Parish, Walton, Johnson
Jordan and the Bulls NEVER won against that team. Not even once.
They can't say that cause Jordan was only in the league 2 years.coming in in 84 while LeBron had been in the league 10 years before that Golden State team was formed
Pretty well explained and elaborate. Good job.
Uncut Hoops has the best damn NBA analysis of any channel I've seen. Bar none.
Yeah this channel is 🔥🔥
Jordan didn’t play “plumbers”, he was just so far above everyone else that he made them look like “plumbers” in comparison
L.J. lost to backcourt of J.Kidd and Jason Terry. All world duo!
@@edwardtatum6136 when they were old too
I agree with you Jordan was just on another level
They were plumbers and can’t hold a candle to the superstars our rn
@@gripstop5ive116 😆 Ok gen Z
The best video on this
In the History of the NBA only 1 player has ever won a championship, mvp, fmvp, scoring title and first team all NBA on defense all in the same season....Jordan did it 4x.
I beleive thats what the cool kids call a mic drop.
This is probably single handedly the best Jordan v LeBron breakdown I’ve ever seen/heard. Very well researched and put into context VERY well!
Shannon wants to change the narrative so he can ask a different question, but LeBron will always be looking up to Jordan. Yes 6 -0 in finals with 6 count them 6 finals mvps. That's the nba record and Jordan holds it. At the rate that LeBron is winning 40 precent in finals he would have to be playing in his 50's just to tie Jordan 😮.
You mean 20% in the finals.
@@antoniomiranda8691 4 wins championships out of 10 finals (40). However if we count its taken him 20 years to win 4 that like 2 every 10 years now that's 20 percent.
Heck if we look at this stat alone there are what ? At least 6 players that has a higher win percent with least time or the same. Jabbar,, Kobe, Magic, Shaq , Duncan and Curry.
@@rogerbeck3560 Yes. I was looking at total yrs.
Meh, I would rather just have LBJ at 2 and not whine about bullshit that provides 0 context instead. You look like a woman all in your feelings over it meanwhile I don';t implicate myself with the dumbest viewpoints possible. He lost as the favourite once so that stat is meaningless and proves no context. All it does is announce to the world that you are feminine, the mans an all time great and you kids WHINING ALLLLLLWAYS, STEADY HUM. Can't even discuss other players in the league because you LeWomen get too emotional and bring LBJ back into it
Nice vid
You speaking FACTS.
If I recall correctly MJ did face prime Mark Price in the playoffs, that's as close as it gets to Steph Curry in the late 80s/early 90s.
12:49 - LeFlop sighting, MJ would never...
Trying to use stats to justify 6 looses is laughable 😅
Always using the "team accomplishments" in the debate between individual players is pretty funny too. Especially when there's guys who got more than MJ.😅 Wheres the rings when he wasn't on the best NBA team?? Appearances ?? Conf F??
@3trakman3 championships is what matters few years from now another player is gonna break records but the one thing they cant take away is championships i would rather have a guy that won more then lost.
@@anthonystevenson830 U should only debate Temnis and professional 🎱 then lol. Or make me believe BJ Armstrong is a better PG than CP3. That’s how your logic works😂
@@3trakman3 and you should debate professional lacrosse or hockey based on your knowledge of the game of basketball
Yeah that’s hilarious
I get so tired of Shannon yelling and screaming all the time.
I fell out of my chair laughing at those extra baby steps. 0:32
LMAO
Honestly. Malone would have ran through KD and Stockton would have schooled Curry. Each of the 90s Bulls team's competition would have destroyed each of Lebron's competition in all his finals appearances if you legit matched them up. The ONLY possible team that would have a chance with the 90's teams would be the 2013 Spurs due to their fundamentals plus the Heat BARELY beat them in that Finals. Lebron can thank Ray Allen for that.
Thank u! I was waiting 4 someone to make this point.
Probably not
Nah.
@@smoothsavage2870 yeah
@@vickystokes8514 If they couldnt handle the firepower of the Bulls. They damn sure wouldnt have been able to deal with the Warriors. The only teams with the offensive firepower of the Warriors were the 80s Celtics and Lakers.
Can I ask a logical question without LeBron fans getting offended?
How does playing a KD led GSW Team for 2 seasons define the rest of his other 19 seasons he played? He was drafted in 2003 was he not?
Did he play the GSW for 10 years? SMH
Didn’t we all watch the same video? That was said in the video, so why are you asking that like it wasn’t already addressed?
You do remember the Celtics formed a team to best Lebron then the spurs had a hall a fame squad but jordon would have scored 85 on any team and beat them right I am a Jordan fan but Jesus he wasn’t unstoppable when he had the greatest coach greatest rebounder greatest defender and and the Celtics and pistons studs were on the way out yet sure Jordan won took and few seasons off and came back to the same team because they were loaded if he won or even made the finals in his early years be impressive
Celtics did not firm a team just to beat LeBron. You repeating that rubbish is sad
Ok bro I’m from Boston remember what KG said
@@brianharron3435You have it backwards... LeBron formed the heat to beat the Celtics... You sound ridiculous when you say the Celtics formed a team to beat a player they had never ever faced! Lol... LeBron had never played the Celtics before the Celtics championship year... Why would they form a team to beat a player who just got swept in the finals and a player they never played before? That makes sense to you? Now on the other hand the Celtics literally dominated LeBron 3 years in a row and most ppl believe made him quit the last year in 2010... LeBron literally joined forces with Wade to specifically get past the team who kept beating him... You can't say that at all about the Celtics
it's better to burn out than to fade away...
I’m convinced MJ smashed Shannon’s girl back in the day. He hates on Mike every chance he gets.
Anyone who seriously thinks that James is even close to Jordan has an IQ of less than 50. The only other professional athlete that could compare to the domination within their respective leagues was Wayne Gretzky. Jordan has done so much more for the NBA than any single player in the history of the game. I cannot even believe this is a conversation.
Bro Jordan won 6 times Russell almost double that it’s all about your team hence why Jordan only won 1 playoff game before pippen came alone don’t act like Jordan was unstoppable bro come one I was watching him for years lose before he won he didn’t just play 6 year my man lol
Anyone that says it isn’t even close is just a love sick fanboy whose opinion means nothing lol. If it “wasn’t even close” there wouldn’t be such a debate over it.
@voldemort008 it's not even close! It's a debate only because people who have only been alive to watch James think he's the best. Anyone who is old enough (me included) to have been fortunate enough to watch the entirety of both players' career, would always agree that it's not even close.
@brianharron3435 the team is what allows individuals to win championships. I absolutely agree with you on many levels. All I'm saying is that the impact Jordan had on the game and the talent he possessed was far superior to James. End of story.
I’m 52 born and raised in Boston bro watched Jordan tons of times get crushed by the Celtics once they got old just like the pistons the bulls loaded up and got there’s lebron is bigger stronger faster and a better passer and teammate but you know it all right
Funny thing is Shannon says 6-0 is nothing this is coming from a guy is 3-0 in Superbowl smh. Shannon should be ashamed of himself for saying that. 6-0. Jordan face great competition plus Chicago were the dominant monster to beat.
Why are we talking about Shannon Sharpe? He played like 30 years ago, obviously he was trash and didn't play against anybody since athletes have all evolved so much in the last 2 or 3 decades.
Right Shannon?
It is meaningless, Jordan is 6-12 in the NBA and its mainly used to point out stupid flaws in LBJ. LBJ losing against teams that are expectied to beat him is why that is nothing. Yall whined so hard you did it to yourself. Bring some logic to your viewpoints and it can go back to just being he won 6 rings and how each of them were valued
@@scottiedpoy8508 and LeBron is 4-20 in the finals, what's your point?
@@simonjeremy1776 i already made it clear? I also commented on his record so why are you telling me it? Yep?
Yea you never read a word i wrote haha. So many of you losers lately
LeBron never faced a Larry Bird in his career.
Anyone arguing for lebron gets cooked…every time.
This the most forced debate
Michael Jordan played five seasons without Scottie Pippen
84-85 38-44..First round exit
85-86. 30-52..First round exit
86-87. 40-42...First round exit
01-02. 37-45..out of playoffs
02-03. 37-45..out of playoffs
LeBron james carried an absolutely horrific 2007 Cleveland Cavaliers team to the nba finals
In the modern NBA era (post 1960) only nine NBA top 75 players have won a championship without another top 75 player as a teammate
Rick Barry (1975)
Bill Walton (1977)
Hakeem Olajuwon (1994)
Tim Duncan (2005) (2007)
Kobe Bryant (2009) (2010)
Steph Curry (2015) (2022)
LeBron james (2016)
Kawhi Leonard (2019)
Giannis Antetokounmpo (2021)
As you can see, LeBron James is on the list and Michael Jordan isnt
Lebron james has won 17 playoff series, without an nba top 75 teammate. Michael Jordan won ZERO
LeBron james has won 10 conference championships
Michael Jordan won 6......Only Bill Russell and Sam Jones have more conference championships (In a mostly nine team league) than LeBron James
In the year before Michael Jordan and LeBron James joined their team and the year after they left their team, their records were
83-84 bulls 27-55
84-85 bulls. 38-44
92-93 bulls 57-25
93-94 bulls 55-27
98-99 bulls 13-37 without Scottie Pippen
00-01 wizards 19-63
01-02 wizards. 37-45
02-03 wizards 37-45
03-04 wizards 25-57
02-03 cavaliers 17-65
03-04 cavaliers 35-47
09-10 cavaliers 61-21
10-11 cavaliers 19-63
09-10 heat. 47-35
10-11 heat 58-24
14-15 heat 37-45
2013-14 cavaliers 33-49
2014-15 cavaliers 53-29
2017- 18 cavaliers 50-32
2018-19 cavaliers 19-63
2017-18 lakers. 35-47
2018-19 lakers were 20-14 when LeBron James got injured on Christmas day.
As you can see When LeBron James joins a team, the team improves more than Michael Jordan and when LeBron James leaves a team, the team always goes into the tank.
Michael Jordan, excluding the 94-97 seasons, when the NBA moved the three point line to 22 feet, was a career 28% three point shooter. LeBron James is a career 34% three point shooter
Michael Jordan was a great defensive player, in an Era where you could handcheck. Playing defense is much easier when you can handcheck. For nearly 6'9 250 LeBron James' entire career he wasn't afforded the opportunity to handcheck.
THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR..LEBRON JAMES IS THE GOAT!!!!!
I have added a Postscript
So many have replied, that LeBron james didn't make the playoffs his first two years and Jordan did. What they fail to say is, in 1985, 16 of 23 teams made the playoffs. In 2004, 16 of 29 teams made the playoffs. It was MUCH EASIER Making the playoffs in 1985. Perfect example is the 1985 86 bulls went 30-52 and made the playoffs and the 2004 05 cavaliers went 42-40 and did not make the playoffs. Also, I don't know, possibly, maybe, Jordan had a HUGE ADVANTAGE considering he played three years of college basketball and LeBron James was 19 years old, and straight out of high school
@@vicepresidentmikepence889what?
@@vicepresidentmikepence889 LeBron never ever carried anything. He beat two 41 win teams and the Pistons without Ben Wallace. Then he choked on it in the Finals so hard he ruined his teams chances and then he had some of the worst playoff series in NBA history. Jordan was avg 43ppg on the greatest team of all time, he wasn't getting outplayed by 33y old bench players like LeBron
More excuses
@@vicepresidentmikepence889 who TF thinks some ridiculous pussy of 75 players actually means something?! Buddy you haven't even been watching basketball for 15 years you're just being fed the talking points and ZERO NBA history
jordan played with less hof players and former mvps than lebron did.
That’s a fact
Everyday this debate gets more and more laughable
5:08 "He [Jordan] ain't playing nobody".
5 time champion 1991 Magic Johnson pops up: "You dissin' me bro?"
I LOVE how Stephen A called Shannon out about his comments on Magic in 1991. He didn't say he was _old_ when Magic appeared on his podcast. And since when is 31 considered old?
I don’t think people realize Magic was still considered in his prime at 31 and could still play. Had it not been for his HIV he still could’ve gave us 4-5 more years.
@@lfranklin118 He finished 2nd in MVP voting in 1991 and won the award in 1990. These guys are amping up 38yr old LeBron after my Lakers were playing like garbage for at least 70% of the season, but Magic was old??
@@atlien1988 no sir Magic was far from old dude made an appearance at 92 AllStar game an gave them buckets. I felt like Magic could have made it to 95 then retire at the end of season or having one more go at MJ in 96 before officially retiring for good.
@@lfranklin118 it was a rhetorical question
You know many LeBron fans stay bringing up the golden state warriors with KD in terms of who Jordan faced that type of team. That makes LeBron look really bad knowing he lost to them.
The 96' Sonics would eat any of those warriors teams
It’s a lame argument, not only bc it’s hypothetical to say “MJ would lose to them” but bc in 2017 Shannon/Nick and the rest of the LBJ fans said Cavs were gonna win in 4. They said how KD can’t beat LBJ, Kyrie is gonna cook Curry but as soon as LBJ lost the narrative changed from that to “they’re unbeatable, not even MJ could beat them” lol
Yeah this is why they hate KD and still hate him to this day..And the man been in the league 21 years..Kobe,Wade,Kawhi,Duncan,jokic,curry and got rings during lebron watch..They acting like KD gatekeep lebron knowing he got beat many before and after that
@@hakeemolajuwon4352THANK YOU!!!
@@eazyduzit-tr3nxit’s a deflection
That 50/60 win team stat is the nail in the coffin.
good job
His thunderstorm takes games off in the regular season. MJ didn’t do that. Tell me how many times each person played all 82 games. One of them did it so many more times than the other.
You ever been 6'9 and 270?? Wtf you talking about. The man played a TON of ball and this is what you whine about?? He is a giant human who has a ton of miles on his body. This complaint is so juvenile and childish. HOW needy are you lol. Do you understand Biology and how it works? You do realize its a lot more energy and wear and tear the larger you are? That many minutes played and you still whining, thats impressive to be honest.
When I watch LeBron play he makes me want to go to sleep when I watch Michael Jordan play he make me want to go outside and start playing basketball
Because you were a kid now your old that’s what happens blame Lebron for it lol
Exactly
Yes because you have Diabetes thats why you always sleep🤣
Lebron cant dribble in iso situations
Lebron make plays for team not only for himself. And that’s how basketball supposed to be done.
those road to chip stats were absolute fire too...adding that to my arsenal
This was the best argument Ive seen
Stats speaks
Numbers counts..
Hey Shannon. Jordan and the bulls were the 90$ warriors. But Mike was 72-10 and won a ring.hwarriors 73--9 did not win a ring 🏀
Exactly. The Bulls had a banner. 72-10 don't mean a thing without a ring.
But according to Shannon the 16 Warriors are the best team ever assembled... That's probably why they almost got bounced by OKC in the playoffs...
@@Cain353 I fully agreed. Never seen nobody hate Jordan and Brady like Shannon. He must hate goats 😭🤣😂
@@Cain353they also played better competition. Let's not forget how weak and mediocre the NBA was in 1996. Bob Costas from NBC, Dr.J, Bird, Magic all said the NBA was watered-down. Dennis Rodman in a 1996 interview said this league is so watered-down and filtered they could beat teams with there eyes closed
Because lebron beat them
@@melvynsngltn27what’s the NBA now? A league where a 65 minimum game requirement has to be implemented because STARS can’t be trusted to play. sounds watered down to me
Finals being outscored by a finals opponent or a teammate Bron 7x Jordan 0x. But Bron never had any help...🤔
Jordan is the best player ever! Lebron might have longevity but Jordan shut down the league during the 90's Bron did nothing.
Micheal Jordan didn't have to face a 2017-2018 Warriors team because the Micheal Jordan Bulls team was the warriors back then.
LeBron, in 11 healthy seasons in Cleveland, won one championship, lost four finals, and got swept twice while going 7-19 overall😬 Jordan in 11 healthy seasons in Chicago, won 6 championships, lost 0 finals, and never got swept in the finals 😬 and had a career record of 24-11in the finals 😬
Don’t forget Lebron got swept twice in the finals.
there’s no comparison. Only delusional Lebron fans try to make the argument..
Actually crazy what Jordan accomplished in 11 years, this is why he’s seen as the goat. Insane peak and prime, all lebron has is longevity.
Let's add, with MJ's team had the best NBA record till GS, won 2x 3 peats, no team has accomplished that yet. Lakers w/1. LJ w/all of his "superteams" hasn't come close to 96 Bulls record and not at least one 3peat.
MJ played on one team. He didn't call for help. LBJ called 911.
Almost had forgotten what an emotional child he agues like..
Great analysis from this gentleman.
Shannon sharp had a comming to america moment " joe luis was 176 years old when they fought"😂😂😂
The bulls were the 2017-2018 warriors.
The 93 Suns was better than any GS team!
So were the 96' Sonics
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They don’t understand that because a lot of bronsexuals started watching ball in 2003
93 MVP Barkley was a straight monster, he would bully todays NBA
Better than the KD warriors ? Genuinely asking , nigga a 99 baby
Can anyone name a GOAT in any sport who has more final losses than wins?
Being loud dont make u right
If there were no better team and player than the Bulls and MJ, then the Bulls didnt' need to play any of those series to compete. Its an absurd argument that MJ didn't have any competitor compared to today's. Lebron just don't have it like Mike nor Kobe. Just give em the title and the championship LBJ will not even go far in the 80s and 90s era where MJ dominated that whole decade.
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Jordan didn’t win shit till he had the best team around him bro 1 playoff win without pippen is sad
@@brianharron3435 yes best team, the only team and that wasn't a super steam
@@brianharron3435 so why did Bulls not win without Jordan? Why did Pippen not win when Jordan left? This argument is weak in my view. Jordan is the glue that made that team effective. When he left you saw that clearly.
6-0, only 1,5 superstars around him (Pippen sure, Rodman had no offense), a beast on both ends of the floor, dominated the era of the Dream Team - and never left Chicago, even they sucked for many years. All this should finally end the discussion on who’s the greatest ever
Toni Kuckoc was good too, but yeah Lebron had way more talent on the teams he’s played on.
@@auc2.0 of course Kukoc was good, no doubt about it. But compared to who LeNarcissist had on the teams: Wade, Bosh, Allen, Irving, Love, Davis - all superstar players. Did I forget someone?
@@chilidrummer8333 Yeah Lebron also played with Westbrook and even though Howard,Rondo,Carmelo were past their primes they still were very effective at that point in their careers whom Lebron also played with.
The ONLY point that has to be made for MJ being the GOAT is that he did it all with ONE TEAM! and with the players he had!! He never asked to be a part of a super team or have one built around him!!