Am I trippin or do people not know that in 2001 the NBA implemented the defensive 3 second rule making it easier for players to score at the rim. That’s part of the reason why players say Jordan would average 40 or 50 in todays game. But regardless congrats to lebron for being an iron man and taking care of his body to be able to play at a high level for so long. Jordan is still the goat though, no debate.
@@diskid3644 Wilt averaged 30ppg regular season, 22ppg in the playoffs and 18ppg in the finals. He also went from an abysmal 50% FTs to 37% in the finals. I'm sure Wilt could average over 40 today but he would still be unplayable in the crunch. And MJ was able to shoot the 3 if he wanted to. It just wasn't his focus. Wilt's blocking would make a difference on D though !
In 20 years time, he also doubled his numbers for divisional & finals defeats. For the sake of Finals appearances, team MJ never gave up! These continued goat arguments needed to end several years ago. LeTravel James.
@@duypham76 but in a league with 10 teams and a scoring pacing higher than today. The top 10 all time rebound averages are all from Wilt's era, because guys shot faster than today and missed more so hell lotta more shots and rebounds. Wilt averaged 30 for his career in regular season and 22 in the playoffs and 18ppg in the finals. Why ? Cos that's when they met good teams. Plus Wilt couldn't make FTs like at all 37% in the finals, even worse than the 50% regular season. He was not a big game player, rather a stat monster, like the 20K women he claimed to have slept with...
And LePrincess is responsible for least watched games in NBA, finals, playoffs, regular and all-star as far as I'm concerned.. I'm tired of watching LeFlop, LeTravel, LeBrick, LeWhine, LeBum, LeQuit, LeRest, LeDiva, LeBlame, LePu**y, LeB*tch, LeGM, LeCoach, LeStatpad.. Etc.
@@jakedesnaque8910I agree with you 100%. I can't stand him. It's his "taking my talents to south beach" attitude. And calling himself the greatest ever. Turned so many people away from ever possibly calling him the greatest.
Records in the Finals: Lebron: 24-33 (11-12 when teaming with Wade AND Bosh) MJ: 24-10 Same number of Ws but with 23 more matches. The reason they undermine Jordan's oppponents is because MJ and the Bulls made them more irrelevant in history. LA, Portland, Phoenix, Utah and Seattle were amazing teams.
Don’t forget that Jordan played in a far tougher era than Lebron, half the reason he lost against the Bad Boy Pistons was because they played physical defense, knocking down players, and even then Jordan played just as hard to make them earn those wins
another one that gets me is "lebrons the greatest scorer of all time now" really??? he has one scoring title and averages 27... jordan has 10 scoring titles and averaged 30
Acting like synonymous was this groundbreaking high IQ perfect word to describe this situation right here...he comes of as a fool that just runs his mouth.
Only a small minority of Jordan fans have rings as the sole factor, but LeBron fans act like it's all of us no matter how many of us make our arguments without bringing up rings until the end if at all.
It’s not even about the rings, it’s HOW he got those rings. 2 Three-peats, I don’t think people realizes how hard it is to even win a championship back to back. Jordan won back to back to back 2 separate times lol. Dude is the goat
MJ was 9 time def 1st team while being a scoring champion that same year.. the only other player to do that was Kobe at only 2.. put that into perspective.. MJ was the best two way player ever.. which is another big reason MJ is 🐐
LeBron doesn't even transend his own Era. Curry has had more of an impact on today's game than LeBron. Jordan had no equal in his Era. He was the NBA, and nobody disputed that.
I love jordan, especially, because I was 12 in 98. Having grown up and lived a little longer has made appreciate every stage of nba history even the ones that came before my time. Bill russell and wilt made it a league in the 60s. The 70s is the dark era where the game almost disappeared because cocaine use is the legacy of the 70s. But bird and magic made the game national and border line continental. Jordan made it global. And kobe and lebron contributed a little more to make the nba close to soccer (soccer is still world's ahead) but basketball is close to a universal game. Jordan is the greatest ever and maybe the most important piece because no player was easier to market as Jordan.
The one thing no one seems to mention that is the biggest difference between Jordan and LeBron is the killer instinct. Jordan simply refused to lose, the harder things got the higher he seemed to rise. LeBron just makes excuses and at times seems to fade into the nether.
The fact that lebron (at age 38) is scoring more and putting up better numbers these last 2 years than when he was younger and in his Prime and Peak... says all you need to know about how ridiculously EASY it is to put up stats in this NO DEFENSE league.
It’s called PEDS, allegedly. Everyone that got caught with PEDS, got better with age. Bonds, McGuire etc. no one gets better with age. When you see it, bets believe it’s aided feats of strength and endurance and not purely human as history shows. Allegedly.
His parents said that nobody in their immediate families, on both sides, got over 5'11 tall for four generations. His father was 5'9 and his mother is 5'4. He grew to 6'6 and 200 lbs with strength, speed and agility, every gift he needed. Perfect size for his position. That's GOD. He was destined to be the goat. 😅✊🏿
@@cedricraywilliams Jordan never lost with a allstar teammate Lebron lost with wade bosh Kyrie love davis Westbrook Ingram dlo Russell ect See the difference? Go sit down kid U never saw Jordan play live so why are u talking about something u never saw? Are u that d umb? I will never speak on something I never saw
I hate it when dumb people try to sound smart. He’s talking about his “craf’ “ interspersed with knowwhatimsayin and improper grammar. I only criticize because his job is to be articulate while he’s giving bad takes.
.....I came up with a new word.... Synonymous... I've been building my craft... What a fucking joke... What a retard... Amazing this guy gets paid to do his job....
If anyone says rings don’t matter, they cannot be taken seriously in this debate. They absolutely matter. If Lebron had the rings, they would certainly matter. Give me a break.
LeBron not having that in his favor is the only reason they say they don't matter. In fact, they eliminate everything from the equation that doesn't favor LeBron. It's basically just individual longevity stats now. Funny that titles don't matter because it's a team sport, yet individual stats irrespective of impact on team success in a team sport does.
The nba was easier back then because lack of skill. Now you have players who can switch onto everybody and defend and shoot. Which means lebron plays in a era where it’s harder to win
I'm thankfully in from Chicago and was a Bulls fan in the '90s... So, people might say I'm obviously biased, but facts are still facts, numbers are still numbers. Not only is defense almost non existent in today's NBA compared to how it was played in the 90s, clearly making it easier to score today, but James has been playing for 20 years.... Yet, Jordan still has more MVPs, more scoring titles, more defensive teams, a higher point per game average, a higher steals per game average, an identical block per game average even though James is a much larger man, and Jordan was clearly a much better clutch player. James is also never won defensive player of the year where Jordan has, and James leads the NBA in having the highest turnovers in history. I'm not sure how somebody can consider him the GOAT or even in the GOAT debate when he's played for five more years in Jordan, has not surpassed him in any above mentioned stats, and has a highest turnovers of any basketball player in NBA history. That doesn't make any sense. That is not a complete player. That is a player that clearly has flaws. The only thing you can really say that might favor James is the fact that he is now the all-time leading scorer. Again though, he's been playing for 20 years, has amazing longevity, and has put up very steady numbers his entire career. Just because you've maintained very steady stats, have played for years, and I've taken care of your body, does not make you a GOAT in an sport. That means have great longevity and have maintained steady numbers. That's about it.
@@mobetta2092 utah 2 x c'mon they sucked eggs seattle ,,, phoenix was ok tho, i think they beat portland too? pistons and celtics were old when he got past them to come out of the east
Dude that is facts 💯 I give lebron all the props 👏 in the world congrats to him but come on jason Terry called out lebron and outplayed him this is not a superstar or a all-star type player he was a very good role player sixth and outplayed lebron the entire finals That never happened to jordan you never saw jordan quit you did on lebron defense made much harder to score in the 80's and 90's you think if lebron played the bad boys pistons he would be doing what his doing now and the answer is no Jordan literally was the best defender and offensive player in 1988 that is why he won dpoy and mvp only 3 guys in history jordan giannis and hakeem have done this and other years jordan was in the top 3 of defenders Great job by lebron again but let's get if jordan never left or broke his leg in his 2nd he would be the all time leading scorer
@Craig and what happened once he got some help aka scottie pippen lebron got sweep more than once in the finals so what is your point plus jordan never got outplayed in the finals
Nah, I skip his takes ENTIRELY. Hearing words come out of his mouth is just as bad as that cardi btch. They make you feel stupid just listening to their dumbasses
What people don’t seem to understand is that Lebron grew the nba with the help of social media and advanced cable tv. Mike never had social media and even regular cable wasn’t widespread.
Michael Jordan became bigger than basketball after his second three-peat in the 90s. With five regular-season MVPs (only Abdul-Jabbar has won more, with six), six Finals MVPs (NBA record), and three NBA All-Star Game MVPs, Jordan is the most decorated player in NBA history. And the impact of Jordan is stamped in nba for ever
Still, awards are awarded by other people. I prefer the eye test. Look at him playing, look at him in clutch situations...and you get the same result. MJ is the GOAT.
I hate the "bron needs help" argument from bron fans. 1998 Jordan won with a hurt Pippen and the oldest team in the league. You think Bron even sniffs a ring with Dwade or kyrie hurt?
He literally grew up with Bron, they are friends going back to their AAU days. Hes always been bias as hell regarding Lebron, he doesn't even try to hide it.
If u just look at jordan playing its poetry in motion. The man is smooth and is effortless. Would not pay to see LBJ play. But will pay my last dollar to see mj. Look at those moves and dunks!! Awesome
Kendrick: little less than a week away from lebron James being the all time scorer in nba history I think this conversation is dead Smart NBA fans: this conversation has been dead since 1998
@@gggyy7104 Well most Jordan fanboys have trouble with the basic tenements of the English language. Probably spent too much time watching Space Jam 1 instead of doing their English homework.
@@eternalbossdoomsday They also struggle with math (eg. they think 6>11). Maybe English isn’t their first language so that’s fine but math is universal so they have no excuses there.
Imagine watching him do it in a whole game... people only watch the highlights when they could watch whole games if they didn't grow up in that era! If they did they'd NEVER choose LeBron over MJ!
@@C_71 nah, highlights don't show the shots missed. i watched mj, and i still watch lebron. mj took more shots, but he also missed more shots. check the career stats, lebron is 50% and mj 49% FG. per 1k shots taken, bron will have more pts. mj had less than 1% higher winning %, so per 1k games played, mj won less than 10 more games than lebron (all most anyone will argue mj's teams were better, yet statistically they r about as close to even as you can get). i feel like they're both the best of the era they play(ed) in.
Funny thing is, Jordan hitting the GAME WINNING shot in his freshman year to give NC a Title is not mentioned a lot because of his NBA Standards. But to me, that shot shows the glimpse of what's to come
I watched that game live on TV. I didn't remember who that freshman was who hit the shot until years later and was shocked to hear it was Michael Jordan! That was one of the great finals games ever.
"It means one and the same" - Lol, one and the same means one figure and another figure turn out to be the same person (like a best player on the team also being the coach of that same team). The star and the coach are "one and the same". What he should've said is that synonymous means "two things are closely associated with one another and share similar meanings". lmao, what a buffoon
The look on Steven A's face while Big Perk was running his mouth and spewing utter BS is priceless. It's almost the same look I'd imagine myself to have if an octopus climbed out of my toilet after I'd just had a piss. Horrified, disbelieving, dumbfounded, and shocked yet at the same time fascinated at the spectacle unfolding in front of me.
@@elibeneb Jordan himself said Clyde drexler was just as good. MJ is not and never was the goat. When he couldn't get it done he went and cried to David Stern. It was little Isaiah Thomas who beat MJ, Bird and magic in their primes and did it the hard way.
dude i dont understand why they are debating.Jordan will always be the best of all time.i think there wont be another player near him other than Kobe.they were beasts
How the hell would LeBron score without a 3-second rule. What mid-range? What 3-pointer? He is playing football on the court with the 3 second rule and expecting the foul call and getting the call 99% of the time. And still miss his free throws.
I love his logic of saying "ITS A TEAM SPORT" so championships dont matter that much. Which.....it takes a TEAM to do. But somehow individual scoring record matters in a TEAM SPORT?!!?
No Individuals won rings by themselves, but individuals win scoring titles, but you need more than one scorer for team success, 60 pts from Big 3 is way better than 30 pts from one guy.
Lebron played with more all stars than jordan and had to go to Miami to learn how to win. Jordan made his teammates better, bron needs his teammates to make him look good
@@bmla88 You're right, but MJ played with more guys who already had rings. Championship experience is better than All Star experience, just ask Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing and Allen Iverson. Think about it, Pippen was with MJ for every ring (i'm too lazy to see how many Rodman, Kerr, Kukoc, Horace Grant, Ron Harper, and others). Yes, LBJ went to Miami and Coach Riley stepped in and taught him how to win (but not right away). MJ had Phil Jackson teach him how to win (so did Kobe) Kobe. In fact, MJ had Phil and Pippen for all 6 titles.
@@gonzielovesspanish8989 Pippen, Jackson and the rest won together. Pippen and Jackson were both unproven coach and players. SCottie being a rookie coming to the bulls and jackson a rookie coach they won and built it together while LBJ had established superstars on the teams he jumped ship to.
Regular season stats are a good way to measure how great a player is. But I always say they are just regular. The post season is where legends are made. The playoffs and especially the Finals because that’s where the most pressure is. Making it to 10 straight finals is good. But winning 6 finals in 8 yrs, and those are 2 threepeats, and being MVP in all 6 finals!!! That’s legendary dude!
MJ has the better regular season stats, playoff and NBA Finals stats. LeBron will win a couple categories like FG% in a small ball Era, but MJ has better stats in more categories. Not close
I bet MJ fans would brag about MJ being the All Time Leading Scorer if he did that. Be always bringing up he scored 3 more ppg taking 3 more shots per game, but just couldn't keep playing because the league was so much more physical and MJ only weighed like 200 lbs. Booo Hooo!!!
@@gonzielovesspanish8989 Being 6'6 and 200 lbs. That's the ideal height and weight for a shooting guard. I love the fact that MJ won 10 Scoring Titles and LeBron won just 1 single Title - BOOM!!!! That's your GOAT? Perky (or whatever his name is) has no idea about NBA Basketball. He should go back to his favourite sport - HOCKEY!!!
@@gonzielovesspanish8989Lebron got outplayed by Jason fucking Terry. He can’t hold Jordan’s sneakers. Jordan was better on both sides of the ball, had a higher peak and has more accolades in less time played LMAOOO
@@gonzielovesspanish8989 Lebron couldent get out of the east from 08-10 had to join a superteam and only won two with the heat never three peat is that your king
People forget than Jordan’s bulls played against Lakers with Shaq, Kobe, Eddie jones, fisher, nick vanexel, etc. That lakers team was so loaded and jordan dominated them. Check out old footage, it’s amazing!!
I love how LJs freakishly good genetics are somehow a component of his greatness that he gets credit for 😂 KAJ was beaten down and still winning rings into his 40's without all the excuses, flopping, stupid statements, superteam hoppin, and despite a ton of adversity, some very low points, and being in a much tougher era. LeBron's weak mentality alone takes em outta the G.O.A.T conversation for me, and I still think he's a solid player for sure. But it's MJ, Kobe, Kareem, and a few others well before him on the list imo.
There is NO debate!!! One guy constantly runs his neck calling himself the greatest while the other guy sits back QUIETLY and IS the greatest!!!!! Nuff said!!!
Breaking Kareems total career points record is just a byproduct of joining the NBA straight out of high school at age 18 and averaging 25 points for 20 years. Dude had a 4 year head start. What else would anyone expect?
At 11:21 Perkins asks -- "you know why lebron is able to average 30 right now at the age of 38?" Yes, I know why = because the NBA has BANNED DEFENSE!!! It's no coincidence that he has scored more and put-up better numbers these past 2 years than when he was younger and in his Prime and Peak!! He isn't the only one either. When teams are giving up over 140 points in Regulation, Stats will follow!!
Yeah, aften seeing how inflated the scoring state is for the last decade, the NBA is only a shadow of itself. The same phenomenon occurred on other sports.
Well, thats an obvious fact. But it seems that some people dont think that way. They say "MJ never won without pipen!". For me, is like saying that he didnt won without a basketball...is much more meaningfull to say pipen never won without MJ, cause, as everyone knows, MJ was there and the bulls won. MJ left, they didnt won. MJ returns, and they win again. I mean, is like 1+1=2, but some people seems to not know that.
This man ate Kendrick Perkins up, dissecting his points one by one with facts and data and wrapping it up by labeling him “the buffoon of the NBA universe”
It’s everybody subjective opinion who the GOAT is and nobody is wrong. Teams win rings, individuals don’t. MJ said it best: it’s not who is the greatest player, it’s who’s the greatest team. The Chicago Bulls is one of the greatest teams in NBA history. Rings don’t mean much in the GOAT debate, Robert Horry have 7 rings, and hit clutch shots to win finals, but nobody puts Robert Horry in the GOAT debate. It’s all subjective opinions.
All I know is that ppl who didn't even follow basketball knew all about the NBA because of Jordan and the Bulls. You literally rushed to get home just to check out their games whether you followed basketball or not. Jordan was that dude whether you liked him or not!
We also had to discipline ourselves by not going to the toilet whenever Mike was on because we knew that we were going to miss something.I fall asleep watching these guys play
I knew about Jordan, but I didn't rush home to see him play, cause Bulls wasn't chit for his first 7 yrs or so. Ppl were watching Lakers, Celts and Pistons.
@@gonzielovesspanish8989 Yeah, those guys were beast and used to give MJ a beating on the court. Mj started hitting the weights along with Scottie and all of that changed.
What always get me is some people are saying when he passes Kareem in scoring that would make him the GOAT, but most people don't even consider Kareem the GOAT and he has six rings and James has four (three really).
I love how a career role player who averaged 2pts per game can jump on tv and say "kudos to mj for winning 6 chips" while leading ghe league in several categories, like that was an easy feat.
Am I trippin or do people not know that in 2001 the NBA implemented the defensive 3 second rule making it easier for players to score at the rim. That’s part of the reason why players say Jordan would average 40 or 50 in todays game. But regardless congrats to lebron for being an iron man and taking care of his body to be able to play at a high level for so long. Jordan is still the goat though, no debate.
@Cameron Williams is lebron skinny? Your argument just puts lebron above Mj so stfu, dont help us
couldn’t you argue Wilt would score even more than Jordan?
@@diskid3644
Wilt averaged 30ppg regular season, 22ppg in the playoffs and 18ppg in the finals.
He also went from an abysmal 50% FTs to 37% in the finals.
I'm sure Wilt could average over 40 today but he would still be unplayable in the crunch. And MJ was able to shoot the 3 if he wanted to. It just wasn't his focus.
Wilt's blocking would make a difference on D though !
So it was easier to play defense back then. So stop giving Jordan so much credit for playing both sides of the ball
@@tsunamiboy777 they don’t just hand out DPOY awards and 1st team all defense recognition for anything rube
Jordan 1988 to 1998 in 10 years accomplished more than Bron in 20 yrs.
Look it up....
The bottom of Jordan 10s are better than Lebron's career...it lists his career accomplishments before his 2nd 3peat
In 20 years time, he also doubled his numbers for divisional & finals defeats. For the sake of Finals appearances, team MJ never gave up! These continued goat arguments needed to end several years ago. LeTravel James.
Top 10 scoring seasons Wilt Chamberlain took 1,2,3,5,and 7..
@@duypham76 but in a league with 10 teams and a scoring pacing higher than today. The top 10 all time rebound averages are all from Wilt's era, because guys shot faster than today and missed more so hell lotta more shots and rebounds.
Wilt averaged 30 for his career in regular season and 22 in the playoffs and 18ppg in the finals. Why ? Cos that's when they met good teams. Plus Wilt couldn't make FTs like at all 37% in the finals, even worse than the 50% regular season. He was not a big game player, rather a stat monster, like the 20K women he claimed to have slept with...
Yeah there's a Hall of Fame career separating them in accomplishments
It's even funnier watching this after LeBron just got swept lol
Micheal not only changed basketball, but he made it to where athletes can get their own name and likenesses on a shoe in every sport.
🙏thank u someone gets it
Chuck Taylor would like a word 😂😂😂
MJ is responsible for the most watched game in NBA finals with no Internet
And LePrincess is responsible for least watched games in NBA, finals, playoffs, regular and all-star as far as I'm concerned.. I'm tired of watching LeFlop, LeTravel, LeBrick, LeWhine, LeBum, LeQuit, LeRest, LeDiva, LeBlame, LePu**y, LeB*tch, LeGM, LeCoach, LeStatpad.. Etc.
@@jakedesnaque8910 Easy man🤣
@@d3m1g0d4 not angry man, just facts! 😂
@@jakedesnaque8910I agree with you 100%. I can't stand him. It's his "taking my talents to south beach" attitude. And calling himself the greatest ever. Turned so many people away from ever possibly calling him the greatest.
He made the game global. He's the only reason LeBron can even deal with China.
You gotta treat Perkins like a special needs kid and congratulate him when he learns a new word.
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lol thats awesome take
hehehe.brutal bruh
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Perkins' helmet is keeping him from licking the glass window on the short bus!! 🤣
Records in the Finals:
Lebron: 24-33 (11-12 when teaming with Wade AND Bosh)
MJ: 24-10
Same number of Ws but with 23 more matches.
The reason they undermine Jordan's oppponents is because MJ and the Bulls made them more irrelevant in history. LA, Portland, Phoenix, Utah and Seattle were amazing teams.
Actually 24-11, Lakers won 1 game, all other teams took the Bulls to 6
He called them matches
@@keithjoseph128 Yeah I'm french, I sometimes make english mistakes. Matches is games in french so sue me
Don’t forget that Jordan played in a far tougher era than Lebron, half the reason he lost against the Bad Boy Pistons was because they played physical defense, knocking down players, and even then Jordan played just as hard to make them earn those wins
1000% CORRECT
Kareem has been all time scoring leader for 40 years and nobody ever called him GOAT over MJ
Several NBA all-time great players did. Jordan fanboys pretend like that didn't happen
@@melvynsngltn27 those are bitter players mad Jordan whooped em
@@onewayfilms8148 no they are not
@@melvynsngltn27 That's true, but far more of them said Jordan.
@@dominiccampbell181 that's facts
Lebron passes Kareem and people are already delusional talking about how he’s the goat when he has a losing record in playoffs. It’s always Jordan 😂
Hands down
Exactly 💯,,, Mr 4-6 can never be the goat
another one that gets me is "lebrons the greatest scorer of all time now" really??? he has one scoring title and averages 27... jordan has 10 scoring titles and averaged 30
@@Bob-Sacamano314 I totally agree
More than 10 I know crazy
Perkins is like “I discovered this thing called a dictionary” 😂
He likes to break a mental sweat.
Acting like synonymous was this groundbreaking high IQ perfect word to describe this situation right here...he comes of as a fool that just runs his mouth.
everybody wants to be like Mike, NOBODY wants to be like Lebron
The funny part is people act like rings is the only argument MJ has over Bron
Only a small minority of Jordan fans have rings as the sole factor, but LeBron fans act like it's all of us no matter how many of us make our arguments without bringing up rings until the end if at all.
It's due to idiots like Skip Bayless who mindlessly repeat "6 for 6 in the final with 6 mvps " without mentioning anything else.
It’s not even about the rings, it’s HOW he got those rings. 2 Three-peats, I don’t think people realizes how hard it is to even win a championship back to back. Jordan won back to back to back 2 separate times lol. Dude is the goat
MJ was 9 time def 1st team while being a scoring champion that same year.. the only other player to do that was Kobe at only 2.. put that into perspective.. MJ was the best two way player ever.. which is another big reason MJ is 🐐
@@D22_T so it’s ok for Jordan to have a super team but lebron is a different story
LeBron scoring 8 points in an nba finals game while in his prime is crazy. Him getting more assists than points blows my mind.
LeBron doesn't even transend his own Era. Curry has had more of an impact on today's game than LeBron. Jordan had no equal in his Era. He was the NBA, and nobody disputed that.
Of course, rings don't matter when you can't win as many as MJ even though you've tried to create a superteam wherever you've gone.
It's not a debate, mj the goat
It's not a debate. People are doing it for clicks and people just like debating. Agree with u 💯 percent
If rings don't matter, why do you always Bragg about your Cleveland ring when playing with lebron against the warriors Perkins????
MJ doesn't count
his ass was was a diety
Lebron is better than that shot chucker
@@craig2069 how so?
Jordan made basketball popular and basketball made LeBron popular
This is why Mj will always be GOAT
I love jordan, especially, because I was 12 in 98. Having grown up and lived a little longer has made appreciate every stage of nba history even the ones that came before my time. Bill russell and wilt made it a league in the 60s. The 70s is the dark era where the game almost disappeared because cocaine use is the legacy of the 70s. But bird and magic made the game national and border line continental. Jordan made it global. And kobe and lebron contributed a little more to make the nba close to soccer (soccer is still world's ahead) but basketball is close to a universal game. Jordan is the greatest ever and maybe the most important piece because no player was easier to market as Jordan.
Well said.👌🏾💯
This comment 👆🏾
Well said, my man 💯
It was actually Magic and Bird who made basketball popular
The one thing no one seems to mention that is the biggest difference between Jordan and LeBron is the killer instinct. Jordan simply refused to lose, the harder things got the higher he seemed to rise. LeBron just makes excuses and at times seems to fade into the nether.
Kendrick Perkins: rings don't matter.
Also Perkins: but donuts and twinkies sure do!
“Space Jam, the movie…the good one…” was accidentally vicious
😂😂😅
It was corny
Maybe LeBron is better than Jordan by playing cards....
Stop 🤣🤣
@@LeSteeler no, that shit was cold
The fact that lebron (at age 38) is scoring more and putting up better numbers these last 2 years than when he was younger and in his Prime and Peak... says all you need to know about how ridiculously EASY it is to put up stats in this NO DEFENSE league.
Basketball weak af now he put all that money in on his body players back then would’ve have to if they was getting paid
Oh I'm going to Stat pad hopefully I'll be accepted as goat for accomplishment of all time scoring lol 😆
@@troybeans34 😂😂
It’s called PEDS, allegedly. Everyone that got caught with PEDS, got better with age. Bonds, McGuire etc. no one gets better with age. When you see it, bets believe it’s aided feats of strength and endurance and not purely human as history shows. Allegedly.
Cam Thomas was getting no tic ... since Kyrie trade.. 3 straight 40 point games
Steven A's face @1:11😂😂
Like, ninja puhleeze😂😂
1 key note, when Jordan went to Washington NOBODY BURNED HIS BULLS JERSEY 🤣
Cannot believe I live in a time where Michael Jordan is actually underrated. . . But here I am.
It's because he was getting beat down by the Celtics and Pistons before they got old and he got Pippen. He was still great though. 😅
@@cedricraywilliamsGreat MJ the goat fam that’s a fact don’t even comment back.
@@alexp8455 even goats can take ass whooping. It happens to the best of us. 😅
His parents said that nobody in their immediate families, on both sides, got over 5'11 tall for four generations. His father was 5'9 and his mother is 5'4. He grew to 6'6 and 200 lbs with strength, speed and agility, every gift he needed. Perfect size for his position. That's GOD. He was destined to be the goat. 😅✊🏿
@@cedricraywilliams Jordan never lost with a allstar teammate
Lebron lost with wade bosh Kyrie love davis Westbrook Ingram dlo Russell ect
See the difference?
Go sit down kid
U never saw Jordan play live so why are u talking about something u never saw?
Are u that d umb?
I will never speak on something I never saw
Hahahaha "His first mistake was saying he's wearing Michael's shoes"
Truth. Dude roasted himself.
The one thing Perkins has right is he definitely needs to work on his vocabulary.
@@ericbutler739 he used the word synonymous as though it was actually impressive hahah
I'm interested in a new Lebron shoe - a new line of flip flops - The LeFlop.
Realizing, after a lifetime, that Kendrick Perkins came up with the word “synonymous” 🤯
Dude Jordan is lucky social media is not available in his time ..if it is... 😂😂😂
I like how Kendrick learned a word the majority of us knew by middle school
I hate it when dumb people try to sound smart. He’s talking about his “craf’ “ interspersed with knowwhatimsayin and improper grammar. I only criticize because his job is to be articulate while he’s giving bad takes.
.....I came up with a new word.... Synonymous... I've been building my craft... What a fucking joke... What a retard... Amazing this guy gets paid to do his job....
😂😂😂😂😂
He's on TV because he is an idiot who doesn't know he is an idiot with a country accent, he is a caricature, and negative one at at.
Not to mention his pronunciation of accolades. 🤦🏻♂️
If anyone says rings don’t matter, they cannot be taken seriously in this debate. They absolutely matter. If Lebron had the rings, they would certainly matter. Give me a break.
LeBron not having that in his favor is the only reason they say they don't matter. In fact, they eliminate everything from the equation that doesn't favor LeBron. It's basically just individual longevity stats now. Funny that titles don't matter because it's a team sport, yet individual stats irrespective of impact on team success in a team sport does.
@@davidmartinez52420 I hear ya.
The nba was easier back then because lack of skill. Now you have players who can switch onto everybody and defend and shoot. Which means lebron plays in a era where it’s harder to win
@@craig2069 where are u getting that nonsense from?!?! What year did skill come into the league then? Lol
@@davidmartinez52420 couldn't have said it better myself.
You forgot Dwight Howard. Only reason they were able to beat Denver in 2020 - cuz I didn't see LeFlop guarding Joker 😂
In the last year, he learned the word synonymous 😂😂😂 Jock through and through
As a Utah jazz fan.
I still have to say that Mike is easily the best (it was like watching a cat playing with mice)
Yeah, literally. He's called the "Black Cat" for a reason. Dude moved with agility and swiftness.
As a Knick fan who disliked MJ I would agree he is the greatest to lace up sneakers.
I'm thankfully in from Chicago and was a Bulls fan in the '90s... So, people might say I'm obviously biased, but facts are still facts, numbers are still numbers.
Not only is defense almost non existent in today's NBA compared to how it was played in the 90s, clearly making it easier to score today, but James has been playing for 20 years.... Yet, Jordan still has more MVPs, more scoring titles, more defensive teams, a higher point per game average, a higher steals per game average, an identical block per game average even though James is a much larger man, and Jordan was clearly a much better clutch player. James is also never won defensive player of the year where Jordan has, and James leads the NBA in having the highest turnovers in history.
I'm not sure how somebody can consider him the GOAT or even in the GOAT debate when he's played for five more years in Jordan, has not surpassed him in any above mentioned stats, and has a highest turnovers of any basketball player in NBA history. That doesn't make any sense. That is not a complete player. That is a player that clearly has flaws. The only thing you can really say that might favor James is the fact that he is now the all-time leading scorer. Again though, he's been playing for 20 years, has amazing longevity, and has put up very steady numbers his entire career. Just because you've maintained very steady stats, have played for years, and I've taken care of your body, does not make you a GOAT in an sport. That means have great longevity and have maintained steady numbers. That's about it.
Goes to show how inferior the competition was
@@mobetta2092 utah 2 x c'mon they sucked eggs seattle ,,, phoenix was ok tho, i think they beat portland too? pistons and celtics were old when he got past them to come out of the east
Lebron is one of the greatest ever, but Jordan was never outplayed by a role player in the NBA finals.....
He was never outplayed by anyone in the Finals
Dude that is facts 💯 I give lebron all the props 👏 in the world congrats to him but come on jason Terry called out lebron and outplayed him this is not a superstar or a all-star type player he was a very good role player sixth and outplayed lebron the entire finals
That never happened to jordan you never saw jordan quit you did on lebron defense made much harder to score in the 80's and 90's you think if lebron played the bad boys pistons he would be doing what his doing now and the answer is no
Jordan literally was the best defender and offensive player in 1988 that is why he won dpoy and mvp only 3 guys in history jordan giannis and hakeem have done this and other years jordan was in the top 3 of defenders
Great job by lebron again but let's get if jordan never left or broke his leg in his 2nd he would be the all time leading scorer
Jordan was busy getting swept in the first round
@Craig and what happened once he got some help aka scottie pippen lebron got sweep more than once in the finals so what is your point plus jordan never got outplayed in the finals
@@craig2069 if you really want to talk about negative team performance LeBron has failed to make the play-offs more times than Jordan was swept
MJ is the goat!!! No question, no debate period!!!
GOATS do NOT have a losing record in Finals!!
When perkins talks, everybody laughs 🤣🤣🤦🤦
He's a clown 🤡
And this dude was awarded a MVP vote.....twice.
Especially 1:12 - 1:19 (that lip lick 😂)
Nah, I skip his takes ENTIRELY. Hearing words come out of his mouth is just as bad as that cardi btch. They make you feel stupid just listening to their dumbasses
Kendrick Perkins getting cooked is noting new
All these talking heads contradict themselves every week on tv. This dummy shouldn’t be allowed to talk on the subject lol
His beard is made of stupid, sure as Harden's is made of flop.
What people don’t seem to understand is that Lebron grew the nba with the help of social media and advanced cable tv. Mike never had social media and even regular cable wasn’t widespread.
Michael Jordan became bigger than basketball after his second three-peat in the 90s. With five regular-season MVPs (only Abdul-Jabbar has won more, with six), six Finals MVPs (NBA record), and three NBA All-Star Game MVPs, Jordan is the most decorated player in NBA history. And the impact of Jordan is stamped in nba for ever
Still, awards are awarded by other people. I prefer the eye test. Look at him playing, look at him in clutch situations...and you get the same result. MJ is the GOAT.
Jordan’s every move on the court was poetic. Period
While LeBron has literally done some very, very clumsy trippin
Jordan had like 10 signature moves lebron have just one maybe 2 one is flopping 😅
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Nah, I could do better. Never really applied myself though.
agree
I just LOVE these videos!💯💯💛💙💛💙
I hate the "bron needs help" argument from bron fans. 1998 Jordan won with a hurt Pippen and the oldest team in the league. You think Bron even sniffs a ring with Dwade or kyrie hurt?
Perkins truly exposed himself on those takes.
That's why he's one of the worse nba analysts alive
A True hater
Total pinecone
He literally grew up with Bron, they are friends going back to their AAU days.
Hes always been bias as hell regarding Lebron, he doesn't even try to hide it.
@@king-ghost1027one of??? He’s ABSOLUTELY THE WORST EVERRRR
If u just look at jordan playing its poetry in motion. The man is smooth and is effortless. Would not pay to see LBJ play. But will pay my last dollar to see mj. Look at those moves and dunks!! Awesome
Did u see a bunch of MJ games on TV?
@@gonzielovesspanish8989 i saw almost all of them..even the dream team games
Kendrick: little less than a week away from lebron James being the all time scorer in nba history I think this conversation is dead
Smart NBA fans: this conversation has been dead since 1998
You can't put ever good player that LeBron ever played with, and then say all Michael had was scottie pippen without mentioning Denis Rodman
If you can watch Jordan play, and still say LeBron is better, even with the stats compared..
I salute you, May God bless your soul😂💯
Agreed 👍🏿!!!!!😆😆😊😊
Lmao this made my day ngl
FACTS
AMEN!!!!
Great argument. Your emotional bias over how watching Jordan makes you feel is proof that he is a better NBA basketball player than LeBron.
It's crazy that LeBron pass Kareem and scoring and they say he's the goat but when Kareem had the title nobody ever said he was the goat
Now that is so true!!!
Now that's a fact Jack... 🤔
Even if you judged strictly Regular season accolades and dominance, MJ blows Lebron out the water
Rings don’t matter but scoring titles do.
Them: This IS NOT an individual sporr
Also Them: LeBron, LeBron, LEBRON
Them: 96 Bulls
Also Them: LeBron vs Warriors
you can't win when you debate idiots
Wtf does this even mean it’s just a string of random buzzwords that don’t even formulate a proper English sentence 🤣 🤣
@@gggyy7104 Well most Jordan fanboys have trouble with the basic tenements of the English language. Probably spent too much time watching Space Jam 1 instead of doing their English homework.
@@eternalbossdoomsday They also struggle with math (eg. they think 6>11). Maybe English isn’t their first language so that’s fine but math is universal so they have no excuses there.
@@gggyy7104 ur not understanding anything here
Man watching these Jordan highlights never gets old! Geesh guy is insane!
Don't it feel great to live in the past. And gas was like $2 a gallon.
Imagine watching him do it in a whole game... people only watch the highlights when they could watch whole games if they didn't grow up in that era! If they did they'd NEVER choose LeBron over MJ!
@@C_71 nah, highlights don't show the shots missed. i watched mj, and i still watch lebron. mj took more shots, but he also missed more shots. check the career stats, lebron is 50% and mj 49% FG. per 1k shots taken, bron will have more pts. mj had less than 1% higher winning %, so per 1k games played, mj won less than 10 more games than lebron (all most anyone will argue mj's teams were better, yet statistically they r about as close to even as you can get). i feel like they're both the best of the era they play(ed) in.
@@gonzielovesspanish8989in that stats the dunks count like shots my man, lebrón dunk a lot more than mj, sorry.
@@sergiozl10 Dunks are shots. They also show ability to get to the rim. 3FG are shots too.
Lebron got more excuses than someone going to jail.
Great analysis!
Funny thing is, Jordan hitting the GAME WINNING shot in his freshman year to give NC a Title is not mentioned a lot because of his NBA Standards. But to me, that shot shows the glimpse of what's to come
I watched that game live on TV. I didn't remember who that freshman was who hit the shot until years later and was shocked to hear it was Michael Jordan! That was one of the great finals games ever.
I'd think Perks first mistake was admitting he didn't know the meaning of the word synonymous. 😂
"It means one and the same" - Lol, one and the same means one figure and another figure turn out to be the same person (like a best player on the team also being the coach of that same team). The star and the coach are "one and the same". What he should've said is that synonymous means "two things are closely associated with one another and share similar meanings". lmao, what a buffoon
No. Perks first mistake was believing he should talk just because he has a mouth and a larynx
Perk must be on some kinda of drug he talking non sense
I love how fans are supposed to think Perkins is a good analyst. Another note, Didn't he challenge Debo and run?
At the end of the day Jordan is just an objectively better basketball player. That's really all that needs to be said.
Kareem had a better longevity. He was competing for titles at 41. Lebron is done competing for titles.
The look on Steven A's face while Big Perk was running his mouth and spewing utter BS is priceless. It's almost the same look I'd imagine myself to have if an octopus climbed out of my toilet after I'd just had a piss. Horrified, disbelieving, dumbfounded, and shocked yet at the same time fascinated at the spectacle unfolding in front of me.
Mj is the goat always will be
I never seen such a player like MJ. He just moved different!
@@elibeneb Jordan himself said Clyde drexler was just as good. MJ is not and never was the goat. When he couldn't get it done he went and cried to David Stern. It was little Isaiah Thomas who beat MJ, Bird and magic in their primes and did it the hard way.
Lol says who the people grew up watching him? Y’all are dying off but I get it .. your trying. To keep his name alive
In a interview mike jordan said that LeBron is the greatest player in the world...
@@kendrickdawson1053 six finals losses never 3 peated says your wrong
dude i dont understand why they are debating.Jordan will always be the best of all time.i think there wont be another player near him other than Kobe.they were beasts
Kendrik Perkins: Basketball is a team sport.
Also Kendrik Perkins: Individual stats is king. Rings don't matter.
The look on Stephen A's face is priceless 😆 and it really says it all.
Perk: I've been working on my vocabulary.
Also Perk: ...Accylades...
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😂😂😂
That mf’er said acculade. Get this man off the air please lmao
"Ackilades"
@WizManBallin Obviously, Perk has an affirmative action degree. We be talking like that all the time.
Yeah... of all the words he could've chosen to show off his vocabulary... and he chooses "synonymous"... lmao
How the hell would LeBron score without a 3-second rule. What mid-range? What 3-pointer? He is playing football on the court with the 3 second rule and expecting the foul call and getting the call 99% of the time. And still miss his free throws.
Notice how they move the goalposts for Lebroon. As far as I can remember, rings were always incredibly important and a barometer of greatness.
I love his logic of saying "ITS A TEAM SPORT" so championships dont matter that much. Which.....it takes a TEAM to do. But somehow individual scoring record matters in a TEAM SPORT?!!?
Clearly his bias took over whatever logic he has in his brain.
No Individuals won rings by themselves, but individuals win scoring titles, but you need more than one scorer for team success, 60 pts from Big 3 is way better than 30 pts from one guy.
Lebron played with more all stars than jordan and had to go to Miami to learn how to win. Jordan made his teammates better, bron needs his teammates to make him look good
@@bmla88 You're right, but MJ played with more guys who already had rings. Championship experience is better than All Star experience, just ask Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing and Allen Iverson. Think about it, Pippen was with MJ for every ring (i'm too lazy to see how many Rodman, Kerr, Kukoc, Horace Grant, Ron Harper, and others). Yes, LBJ went to Miami and Coach Riley stepped in and taught him how to win (but not right away). MJ had Phil Jackson teach him how to win (so did Kobe) Kobe. In fact, MJ had Phil and Pippen for all 6 titles.
@@gonzielovesspanish8989 Pippen, Jackson and the rest won together. Pippen and Jackson were both unproven coach and players. SCottie being a rookie coming to the bulls and jackson a rookie coach they won and built it together while LBJ had established superstars on the teams he jumped ship to.
Regular season stats are a good way to measure how great a player is. But I always say they are just regular.
The post season is where legends are made.
The playoffs and especially the Finals because that’s where the most pressure is.
Making it to 10 straight finals is good. But winning 6 finals in 8 yrs, and those are 2 threepeats, and being MVP in all 6 finals!!! That’s legendary dude!
That's goat (mj)
6/6 100%
MJ has the better regular season stats, playoff and NBA Finals stats.
LeBron will win a couple categories like FG% in a small ball Era, but MJ has better stats in more categories. Not close
Technically MJ won 6 in 7 years since he didn’t play 94
@@MR.__G well Houston wion 2 yrs in between three peats so it’s more like 6 chips in 8 yrs.
Perkins just trolling,he doesn't believe what's coming out his mouth...
It’s 25 years later. 25 years from now will we still be wearing LeBron shoes?
When lebum went to south beach he did something Jordan never did... Lose😂😂😂😂😂 this guy is classic!!!
I bet MJ fans would brag about MJ being the All Time Leading Scorer if he did that. Be always bringing up he scored 3 more ppg taking 3 more shots per game, but just couldn't keep playing because the league was so much more physical and MJ only weighed like 200 lbs. Booo Hooo!!!
@@gonzielovesspanish8989 Being 6'6 and 200 lbs. That's the ideal height and weight for a shooting guard. I love the fact that MJ won 10 Scoring Titles and LeBron won just 1 single Title - BOOM!!!! That's your GOAT? Perky (or whatever his name is) has no idea about NBA Basketball. He should go back to his favourite sport - HOCKEY!!!
@@gonzielovesspanish8989 6 chips two 3peats... Now you can go back to soccer 😂😂😂😂
@@gonzielovesspanish8989Lebron got outplayed by Jason fucking Terry. He can’t hold Jordan’s sneakers. Jordan was better on both sides of the ball, had a higher peak and has more accolades in less time played LMAOOO
@@gonzielovesspanish8989 Lebron couldent get out of the east from 08-10 had to join a superteam and only won two with the heat never three peat is that your king
People forget than Jordan’s bulls played against Lakers with Shaq, Kobe, Eddie jones, fisher, nick vanexel, etc. That lakers team was so loaded and jordan dominated them. Check out old footage, it’s amazing!!
I’m surprised they kept Perkins but not Rose. He is part of the reason I change the channel
On ESPN.
I love how LJs freakishly good genetics are somehow a component of his greatness that he gets credit for 😂 KAJ was beaten down and still winning rings into his 40's without all the excuses, flopping, stupid statements, superteam hoppin, and despite a ton of adversity, some very low points, and being in a much tougher era.
LeBron's weak mentality alone takes em outta the G.O.A.T conversation for me, and I still think he's a solid player for sure. But it's MJ, Kobe, Kareem, and a few others well before him on the list imo.
"Space Jam the movie, THE GOOD ONE..."
LMAO 🤣 YOU KILLED ME SON! 🤣 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Perkins is losing his little mind😂😂😂😂
If he have 🤣🤣🤣
He dont have
He has a pea brain.
Stephen A was about to lose his mind. 😂😂
Fellas the only way to win a game is to score the most points. This makes the scoring champion the G.O.A.T........
Perkins is just like your special cousin in highschool sitting in the only classroom with toys in it. Give him a high five and tell him good job man 👍
That's so true
He’s an idiot
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Perfect description ☝🏼 lmfao
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" I got my Js on right now " case close.
It doesn't matter what shoes Perkins is wearing. If it did, Jeezy would be in the GOAT Convo WTH?
@@hooptroopers Fact
OK just to remind everybody that at age of 40 MJ played the whole 82 games
What people fail to realize MJ never said he was the goat the world made him the greatest of all time
There is NO debate!!! One guy constantly runs his neck calling himself the greatest while the other guy sits back QUIETLY and IS the greatest!!!!! Nuff said!!!
Congrats to lebron today, but breaking the record doesn’t help him as much
Breaking Kareems total career points record is just a byproduct of joining the NBA straight out of high school at age 18 and averaging 25 points for 20 years. Dude had a 4 year head start. What else would anyone expect?
Exactly nobody ever cally Kareem the goat just for having the scoring record and he has six chips too
@@TheChef420
Kareem was definitely goat, before mj came along. But yes, bron is not goat yet, until he matches/exceeds mj's rings, mvp/dpoy awards etc
Solidifies his gloat status though, greatest longevity of all time
@@hellbent7062👌
At 11:21 Perkins asks -- "you know why lebron is able to average 30 right now at the age of 38?"
Yes, I know why = because the NBA has BANNED DEFENSE!!! It's no coincidence that he has scored more and put-up better numbers these past 2 years than when he was younger and in his Prime and Peak!! He isn't the only one either. When teams are giving up over 140 points in Regulation, Stats will follow!!
Yeah, aften seeing how inflated the scoring state is for the last decade, the NBA is only a shadow of itself. The same phenomenon occurred on other sports.
If he played 82 games in a season, would he average 30?
The only people that say Lebron is better than Jordan are millennials who never saw Jordan play and can’t read a stat sheet.
It's so refreshing to have the basketball pundits talking about a new subject.
It's a team sport. THAT'S WHY WINNING RINGS IS SO HARD. Do the Bulls sniff a ring, much less a 3-peat, much less two 3-peats without Michael Jordan?
That man took 2 years off to play baseball. Then came back and immediately won another 3 rings.
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Nope. Without MJ the Bulls would still be ringless.
@@KaineTremaine Facts! Straight 🐐 shit!
“It’s a team sport”
“Rings are why Jordan’s better than Lebron”
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Well, thats an obvious fact. But it seems that some people dont think that way. They say "MJ never won without pipen!". For me, is like saying that he didnt won without a basketball...is much more meaningfull to say pipen never won without MJ, cause, as everyone knows, MJ was there and the bulls won. MJ left, they didnt won. MJ returns, and they win again. I mean, is like 1+1=2, but some people seems to not know that.
If Perkins played back in Jordan Era he would've been a bench player
Perk got out play by a one leg Byume in 2010 finals lol this guy shouldent talk
Perk’s first mistake was telling the audience he’s a grown man who doesn’t know what synonymous mean.
Can anybody please tell me the background music playing in the video?
I knew Jordan was and is the goat, but this video made me appreciate him and his career even more.
This man ate Kendrick Perkins up, dissecting his points one by one with facts and data and wrapping it up by labeling him “the buffoon of the NBA universe”
It’s everybody subjective opinion who the GOAT is and nobody is wrong. Teams win rings, individuals don’t. MJ said it best: it’s not who is the greatest player, it’s who’s the greatest team. The Chicago Bulls is one of the greatest teams in NBA history. Rings don’t mean much in the GOAT debate, Robert Horry have 7 rings, and hit clutch shots to win finals, but nobody puts Robert Horry in the GOAT debate. It’s all subjective opinions.
One of the few times in history, the hype isn’t anywhere near the reality. Michael was perfection.
All I know is that ppl who didn't even follow basketball knew all about the NBA because of Jordan and the Bulls. You literally rushed to get home just to check out their games whether you followed basketball or not. Jordan was that dude whether you liked him or not!
We also had to discipline ourselves by not going to the toilet whenever Mike was on because we knew that we were going to miss something.I fall asleep watching these guys play
And believe me bro that was happening all around the world ppl rushinghome to see mj play 🇹🇹🇹🇹🇹🇹
The NBA actually lost fans when they made the Bron there poster boy!
I knew about Jordan, but I didn't rush home to see him play, cause Bulls wasn't chit for his first 7 yrs or so. Ppl were watching Lakers, Celts and Pistons.
@@gonzielovesspanish8989 Yeah, those guys were beast and used to give MJ a beating on the court. Mj started hitting the weights along with Scottie and all of that changed.
What always get me is some people are saying when he passes Kareem in scoring that would make him the GOAT, but most people don't even consider Kareem the GOAT and he has six rings and James has four (three really).
Nah the 4th 1 just as real as the 1st 3
If your team had won in the bubble you would not be saying that.
I love how a career role player who averaged 2pts per game can jump on tv and say "kudos to mj for winning 6 chips" while leading ghe league in several categories, like that was an easy feat.
Exactly
MJ forever.