"always bring up the losses without context" What kind of context would make any of LeBron's Finals losses acceptable in the GOAT conversation where you're comparing people who WON MORE RINGS and lost less Finals?!
They say he's better because he "got to the finals more times" without mentioning the simplest "context" which is the fact that the East was that much weaker.
JJ wants context for losses but not Lebron’s wins. The Heat took AD and Lebron to 6 games with one of the weakest finals teams in history. Bird and Magic didn’t choose their teammates like Lebron did. MJ changed the paradigm for winning in The Modern Era. Lebron changed the paradigm for losing.
@ChicagoBusiiness Dirk beating them in the finals DESTROYED any notion of LeBron EVER being GOAT. He was beaten when he had PRIME D.Wade, Prime Bosh and a coach who already won a Chip on a team that we now know was formed because of Kobe the boogieman.
@@longxiong496 It's good that LeBitches shifted to participation trophies instead of actual awards; when you know you can't beat the best, at least try to scream, "I was there too! I've been there more times!" Every single finals run LBJ had in the pathetic Eastern Conference against such greats as Playoff P, Demar Defrozen, Kyle Korver, and the GOAT, Roy Hibbert, means nothing to me. And don't spread the "bad teammates" lie: When MJ's teammates were crackheads, he had 0 All-Stars (Pip became an All-Star in 1990) and was playing against monstrous competition that dominated his Bulls, he STILL performed like the GOAT, yet the media blamed him. In Cleveland, despite playing on 50 and even 60+ win teams (the 08-09 team had the best record in the NBA), alongside 2 All-Stars, in the pathetic Eastern Conference, LBJ folded like a towel, yet the media blamed his teammates.
Jordan played with one all star in his career. He won multiple championships with the oldest team ever. MJ doesn’t know what it’s like to finish second in the NBA finals. 😂😂😂
@@TyroneNBAFan lmao lies u to. Bro be fr the competition was filled with talent hell the east was night & day stronger compared to the east lerbron played in 😂😂😂
JJ and other sorrow Bronies always complained about Lebron running into GSW in 17 / 18 was unfair. It's all excuses b/c Jordan ran into Celtics that had 4 HOFs in 86 & 87 while having basically no help. Then there was Pistons that had 3 HOFs from 88 to 91. Jordan ran into many super teams as well so Bronies should stop pretending as if only Lebron had it tough.
And even then, they used their experience as players to explain who was right.... well Perk's IQ is instantly higher on the court, as a player that actually played defense and wasn't just a spot up shooter with 1 career double-double.... JJ has always embarrassed himself
Facts, JJ was a bum in the era before now averaging under 10 points a game from the bench, then as soon as the league changes he has a career high in points putting up 18 a game at the age of 34 and near the ending of his career (which further shows how weak this era truly is). JJ’s very lucky the league became so 3 point happy because he was very close to flaming out of the league since he has a very limited skill set aside from shooting. It got so bad for him that Magic didn’t even believe in him enough to start over a rookie Courtney Lee who was a late 1st rounder, while JJ was a lottery pick.
I will scream if I see another person proudly sharing a JJ Redick clip, analysis, or quote like he's some great basketball mind. Thousands of people have played in the league; not every one of them is intelligent, unbiased, or deserves attention as an "analyst."
I think Jimmy Butler leading Miami to Finals last season was more impressive than Lebron leading Cavs to Finals in 07 but Lebron will get more credit for what he did even though Jimmy had to face tougher teams
There’s so many players who did better or the same that don’t get any credit as LBJ does bc they don’t have klutch media. Look what Luka did a couple years ago, he did way better against way better competition but klutch media still went on tv and said LBJ’s 07 run was better lol.
Facts. I don't know if it's more impressive then I seen LeBron in the Lakers in Cancun we're joker sent him he was gray. Htf in practice yesterday he's all black 😮
nuggets lost on purpose to win at home lmao you could see it in how they played, and you brought up 07 spurs when that heat team was way better than lebrons cavs lmfao@@redpillfreedom6692
I love how JJ laments that people will bring up LeBron's Finals losses "without context" and yet immediately labels anyone who brings up Draymond Green's suspension as a "hater."
If Kareem came out in high school and went pro. LeBron would never have broken his record. He was FORCED to play 4yrs at UCLA. No one ever brings this fact up.
@@MyGoatFrFrMJ by light years. He's not even better than Kobe . He's a choker. And if you look at the stats in 4th quarters he's absolutely horrible. Convince yourself grasshopper, but tons of LeChokes fans are admitting it. Just look on TH-cam lol
@@MyGoatFrFr LeBron is no where near clutch. If human life was on the line and LeChoke was on the free throw line with 2 free throws to save humanity he'd miss both. MJ would swish both with his eyes closed. Kobe would bag them without a doubt, and ur dumbazz would be right there making an excuse for LeChoke.
I'm stealing this because it shuts down any excuse Bron groupies make for him losing so much. Thts context JJ and fellow Bron worshipers will call you a hater or casual over because there's no rebuttal for it 😂👍🏽👍🏽
@@Rubrick23. or they don't want to take off the LeBron rose-tinted glasses. For them is got2b LeBron even though the bulk majority of people will tell them otherwise.
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar made it to 10 finals and zillions of playoffs series, yes, he won 6 titles but lost 4 finals series as well, I don't see him making any excuses for his losses. Neither does Magic and he lost 4 finals.Bird? He also lost quite a few but stayed true to his principles. I guess Old-School basketball was about competing and winning not about making excuses and worst of all justifying them like they do in today's NBA.
Back in the day guys wanted to play against the best. LeBron started the trend of joining with the best in order to win 'ships. Now superstars are joining up left and right.
if they’re going to hype him up so much just for making it to the Finals all those times, then they also need to hold him accountable for losing in the Finals all those times
Yeah, and ray Allen and kyrie Irving bailed him out. That's not a GOAT, that's what happens when you're beating weak eastern teams in the playoffs, by the time you're in the finals, you're not sharpened, he's getting shut down and sometimes getting swept in the finals.
People made it sound like jordan just luckily didn't lost any finals. Well, that's because he just wont allow the toughest western team to beat him in the finals at all times. But that's not the case with LeBron, who had super teams, but still get swept from time to time, and they blame his finals losses because of raining 3 pointers from golden state warriors. Nope, that's because LeBron always have a meltdown in the finals.
@@Beetlechoose-1Lebron averaged a triple double in the finals nigga 😂 explain how that’s a meltdown. He also led both teams in every major stat in 2016
Lebron collapsing against Dallas in that finals and getting outscored by Jason Terry is never going to not have context to it. It's a black eye on his resume that completely destroys any comparisons that any Lefraud fan could make and it's something that Jordan doesn't have anything even resembling it on his resume.
The biggest problem LJ has is he’s not as good at basketball as MJ. That’s why MJ’s highlight reels are straight fire and LJ’s highlights look like a dump truck crashing through a roadblock.
@@ChoperJoJo leave it up to a member of LBJTQ community to not know that a highlight reel includes more than dunks. Ever seen the highlights of MJ winning 6 championships?
While he takes 5 steps to the basket with no calls. If MJ was allowed that, he’d likely have twice the highlight reels, and untouchable stats? The NBA basically threw out travelling and DD once LeBum came to town.
@@crazyralph6386yeah fundamentals are lost these days. Look at Jordan and Kobe and their footwork and fundamentals are incredible. Lebron is big, strong and athletic but he isn’t as smooth as MJ.
Yup, they say that shit so folks can give him a pass bc we all knew he wasn’t gonna win a championship. Yet they’ll bring up Wizards MJ for failing as if he was on a title contending team with high expectations lol.
Honest to God I dont have Bron even at 2. Like, top 5? Sure. He was still the first superstar to ever, in his absolute prime, to run two other top-10 players in the league. Why is that context never brought up? Why is that just forgiven at this point? That forever changed the culture of the league, and ripped out the soul of "franchise players", and gong to war for your team over your career against other franchise players. Younger fans wont know what The Decision took from us older fans. So, he ripped that away, then their first year together they BREEZE through the East 4-1'ing everyone, then Bron has the worst superstar choke in Finals history - Jordan's not doing that, ever. Simple as that. Not to mention MJ just had better production, defense, leadership, mindset, everything. If anything, Bron is just straight overrated for the teams hes had, hand-pick stacking his teams for an entire decade of his megaprime, and ending up with a losing Finals record. Give me a break, bro. No matter how much people spam it, and want it to be true, he is not LOCKED at #2. He has an argument, but that's it.
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx and pretend MJ didn't have a major injurys at the time. MJ @ 38/39 WITH that injury.. Wizards 1st season went from 19 wins, to 38. Lebron joins Lakers at 34/35 and only gained lakers +2 WINS !!! They had ALREADY improved from 17 to 26, from 26 to 35 in last 2 seasons, and YOUNGER Lebron only added 2 wins? AD JOINS and +15 wins. no comparison.. MJ carred a Wizards team, Lebron WAS CARRIED by the Lakers.(esp AD).
'91 Pistons were "old" but 2014 Spurs weren't :) 91' Magic (31) was old but 2011 Dirk (32) wasn't. Second place has always been "first" loser. Just as an exercise: name all athletes placed second behind all Bolt's, Phelps's, or Serena's wins. Exactly.
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Isiah was 29 and I think the oldest player was 33. THey use that as their excuse on why they were swept by the Bulls.
When MJ changed teams, he did that 1 time, after 2 yrs off, and went to a team that was certainly not close to being championship-ready. He wasn't actually chasing a ring, after '98. He was playing for the love of the game. That was 6 of 6 rings in only 12 full seasons. Through 1998, he missed about 2 seasons in that time (broken ankle and 1st retirement), which means he accomplised what he did, in a mere 12 full seasons worth of playing, against 29 other DEVELOPED teams, not 8 other, short-in-height newbies (basketball itself was new), like Bill Russel played against, night in and night out! The 72-10 Bulls team is not the second best team ever. They are pound-for-pound THEE best team, ever (not considering the Dream Team). If MJ played in Steph's era, today, he'd average 42ppg. Kobe immediately increased 4ppg, once hand-checking was off the table, alone. The scale of now vs. 90 rules and physicality is not evenly-weighted. Look at the previous champions, defenders, and contenders that the Bulls went through, year after year. MJ's 6 rings are worth 8 rings today. 72 wins then are worth 79 wins today. The Bulls were about 8% better than the Warriors were. Wake me up when a team achieves 80 wins, that team wins 9 rings, the star player averages 43ppg, the team never loses a finals series, that team wins a ring better than every other year, the star player is also on an olympic team better than the Dream Team and wins more gold metals than MJ, the star player dunks with beauty and power from further back than the freethrow line and wins 3 dunk champs, is all defense for 10 times or more, has a hunger-drive to win better than a starving and scared lion wants to eat, teams fear him and can only considerably defend him by physically hurting him, and all this happens over 17 yrs or less. Not 20 or more, like Lebron or Kobe (for less accomplished). THEN, we have a new GOAT player and team. This is why Lebron or anyone else simply are not even close to over-taking MJ for GOAT-hood. Sign me up to watch THAT GUY on THAT TEAM!!! Oh, and how does their fade-away look?! How do their dunks look?! Does the star player get OVER heads with the rim with a 49"+ vertical?! Am I right everyone? What do y'all think it ACTUALLY takes to be the GOAT TEAM and GOAT PLAYER, today? Should the rules go back to the way they were in the 80s and 90s? Give me THAT, with no race nor politics garbage, and I'd then start watching NBA basketball, again. Until then, it's MJ and Bulls re-runs for me. I love watching the greatest team and player, ever, in the greatest era, ever. Mic drop.
LOL all I know is if that is the case then which of those Warriors players are going to defend against Jordan - who ..., Curry - LMAO!!!!! This has happened only 4 times in the history of the NBA where a player has:- 1) won the scoring title, 2) won the regular season MVP, 3) was first team defensive player, 4) led the play-offs in scoring and 5) won the MVP in the finals Those players are ... Jordan, Jordan, Jordan and Jordan!
@@TheHighestGodisGood - Who is Tim Grover? Does he agree that Jordan is the GOAT or is he a James supporter? I think Bird is better than James! With respect but I am a Jordan supporter since my first game of seeing Jordan play for the Bulls was in 1987 and from there I watched every Chicago Bulls game live or recorded till his retirement in 1998! SInce Jordan retired, I do not watch NBA anymore!
@@TheHighestGodisGood oh ok - is that who it was!!!! For me that is a very telling statistic - it says it all let alone only Jordan achieved that feat 4 times and NO ONE else has! I do not think there will ever be another Jordan!
If you saying lamebron is not responsible for the losses then MJ definitely wasn't at fault for losing against Celtics & Bad Boys!! But guess what MJ still blamed himself for the losses!!!
How many all stars and hall of famers did Jordan play with against the Celtics and the Pistons in the 80's....Exactly right NONE. How many all stars and/or HOF were on the Celtics and Pistons? I assure you more than 4 on the Celtics and a few on the Pistons and they brag that they beat Jordan. One man against all of them they should be ashamed to even say it out loud.
Jordan was music in motion. It was beautiful to watch. His mid-range jump shots, the way it came off his fingers was so fluid. He embodied every aspect of the game. Heart, discipline, will to win . Blessed to see MJ and 90s basketball.
Lebron lost the GOAT conversation the first time when he went from as Skip Bayless would say “The Chosen One” to the Frozen One.” in the 2011 NBA Finals.
Lebron has 0 titles without superteam or 2nd player averaging 25-30 ppg like jordan never ever had that type of help…Also 2016 kyrie outplayed curry so how a finals you are suppose to win with more talented team and your second player outplays their best player but yet thats what makes him the goat is hilarious
@@MyGoatFrFrlol point was Bron teammate outplayed his opponent best player AND hit the game winning shot in game 7 yet Bron gets all the credit for winning and crowned himself the GOAT afterwards. Shits lame and you all over these comments defending tht goofy shit 😂👎🏽
Yea the bulls built around mj to make a super team lol. They didn't draft and trade for a bunch of top stars just to entice mj to jump ship from elsewhere
@@brandangreen1390and for a bit more context on my reply, I'll say that they "built" around Jordan by letting him and Phil work on identifying weaknesses in the team and working on bettering the play of everyone there. As the team got better, Jordan was able to shine more because of it lol
Lebron lost the GOAT conversation the second time when this man came out with a cast on his arm and stated that he was basically playing with a broken hand. I think it was the 2018 Finals against Golden State where he got swept. I think it’s fair to say that Lebron at this point will never ever surpass Jordan.
Yeh and JJ played in 2000s where physicality was decreased never got an all star apperance of scored more than 15 ppg while being attacked by offensive players because he can't defend at all. A flat footed semi shooter like him is a bonus for their opponents.
"The finals losses without any context." 2011, bench players, Lebron on a super team is the 5th best player that series between both teams. That's ALL that has to be brought up
JJ glossed over the 11 finals. He know it kills his argument to say LBJ bitched up and got outplayed by role players. They need to stop glorifying this era of defenselessness and over inflated stats.
Look at the glazing he does for lebron. First he says no one in history can beat the 2014 spurs. Then no one can beat the 17 and 18 warriors. Which one is it? Because someone would have to win if they played each other. Then he’s also said in the past the rockets would’ve won in 2018 if chris Paul didn’t get injured. So the 2018 warriors were unbeatable yet at the same time would’ve lost if not for the chris Paul injury. The levels of 🥩 riding he does for lebron is insane.
We need to stop ranking players all time pre retirement. I remember People having kawhi top 10 after 19 and the looks silly now. I have also never heard how LeBron passed Kobe or Kareem or wilt or shaq or others. I just remember one day before LeBron even won a title the media comparing him vs Jordan
Saying that no rings have asterisks is like saying that the 2017 warriors ring was as easy to win as Hakeem's 1994 or 1995 when hakeem had no help with the rockets
JJ redick is wrong about the 17-18 warriors kawhi Leonard was going to beat them for sure and they couldn’t even stop him for sure. Mj would have torch the warriors. Bird Kobe shaq magic Hakeem can beat those warriors
Your right how come no one talks about that the warriors were losing badly in game 1 to the Spurs and if Kawhi Leonard didn't get hurt it could've been a whole different story.
Also kawhi was unstoppable against the warriors. He would have won the finals that year for sure. The warriors cannot handle tough players who are physical they get tired and it shows in those games.
To be honest and I might get a lot of heat for sayig this, but I think those warriors teams that LeBron's team played against may just be a little bit overrated.
@@MyGoatFrFrlies.... Kyrie outscored Steph and Love/JR equalled Klay/Draymond ppg in 17 Finals not to mention Cavs went 12-1 in East playoffs AND beat Warriors on Christmas day. Just because Cavs lost doesn't mean they had no chance at winning
@@MyGoatFrFr 2018 the comp in East was trash. Pacers, Raptors nor Celtics without Kyrie and Hayward were contenders and majority of the best players in league were out West. If Cavs were in West they wouldn't have even made it to WCF let alone Finals just to get swept because even Spurs and Pelicans were good enough to beat Warriors once in playoffs 😂🗑
those warriors with kd were elite. but the 96 bulls.... would eat their lunch and send them home crying to mommy. whether they played in the 90s or today, those bulls would have those warriors making lebron-level excuses.
Lmao lebron was the only player in 2007 finals that underperformed.....his teammates still played at the same level throughout the playoffs. Horrible take jj redick
Locked in with recency bias, sure. Lots of arguments for each of the top 5 guys, even some for the top 10 guys. When the recency bias is gone, i highly doubt his lasting power will be as strong as Jordans which means he's at risk of dropping just like what happened to every other legend in the past. Jordan's staying power is extremely strong bc the eye test plus all the necessary avg's, advanced metrics and rings and fmvps count is just more captivating than a totals records list while having to ignore the "losses without context" that only seems to conveniently apply to Lebron and not anyone else's losses and they'll see flaws in using logenvity to prop Bron up while seeing no one does it to say Stockton is the goat pg or even top 2. They'll see in no other sport do people try to claim someone with a losing record as the greatest of their sport. Try convincing Kobe fans that Bron is better before you start claiming a locked position b/c theres still a massive population that thinks Kobe is locked at 2 even if i disagree with that as well.
The difference is that Lebron has a massive argument for 2, and it’s almost impossible to have him out of your 5. Kobe’s has no argument for top 2, and barely any for top 5.
@@gggyy7104 he does have a big argument for 2 for sure, but to say kobe has no argument is looking simply at the 1 lens kobe lacks. The advanced metrics lens. The perfect stats lens. Kobe has the eye test. The fear test/killer instinct, and the alpha test on top of the playoff success with his 5 rings. You could argue even if kobe was 1b in ring 2 and 3, he was good enough that you could imagine he'd be 1a if lebrkn was on the team instead of Shaq and that's 4 ring tie as the 1a in my eyes but thats all subjective in the end. Jordana rings and fmvps are not so. Hes unquestionably the alpha and omega of all of his rings.
@@HailKingCeezer I’m looking at it objectively. Kobe does nothing better than Jordan so that’s his goat case gone right there. And then just compare Lebron, Kareem, Magic, Duncan, Wilt, Bill Russell, Bird, Shaq to Kobe and you can easily find 4 other players better.
@@gggyy7104 better based on what though? There is no 1 objective thing we can look at. It's usually a combination, and I believe kobes got enough of a combination to warrant the argument just the same as lebron and neither to me are locks but thats subjective of course. These type of arguments are much easier to have 10+ years post retirement for all parties
@@HailKingCeezer I don’t believe that. What Kobe does better is significantly less valuable than Lebron in my opinion. The only way I see someone having Kobe top 2 is if they value volume scoring, aethestics, mentality, popularity and flashiness over everything else.
Lebron not top 10 , that last few years hurts his legacy imo , he literally plays no defense is a totally liability and on offense just stands around at the 3 point line if he doesnt have the ball. His teams play 4 v 5 75% of the time hes on the floor. Hes to busy stat padding to sit his old ass down and rest , so he rests on the court at the expense of his team , waiting for some low effort rebounds , points , and assist to come his way
Lebrons best comparison will always be Wilt. A physical freak of nature who put up monstrous stats, but ultimately didn’t win enough for the talent and help he had Idk why Lebron is always compared to guys like MJ, Kareem, or even Magic
@@gggyy7104lmao how much help your king need?? AD put up 27 14 and 4 blocks vs Nuggets and Lakers still got swept then AD got blamed. Add in Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love and the slew of elite role players acquired through trades it's irritating as hell to see ppl say Bron didn't have enough help but will at same time say he makes players better. Shit makes zero sense just like him being cemented at #2 with more Finals Ls than wins 😂🤦🏽♂️
@@tdup191 Lebron having so much help is also the reason why he has only been favoured in 3 finals out of 10 right? Meanwhile Jordan can be favoured 6 times out of 6 in the finals and he has no help
@@gggyy7104 lol you're talking out your ass because 1. Bulls didn't have home court in 2 of the 6 Finals and 2. Bron lost as a favorite with Cavs and Heat so bringing up favorites and what not is another lame excuse especially when the comp in East was terrible which allowed him to make to it Finals so many times just to get swept or gentleman swept 😂
He aint even passed kobe..like wtf...man i wish kobe was here to put these goofies in their place...cuz i know they wouldnt be talkin like this if he were alive..
It's a shame he's so dismissive of the old generation when he's very much open to underrated and underappreciated talent in the current generation of NBA players.
For me personally, it’s not about getting to the Finals, it’s about what you do when you get there. Take the Jim Kelly era Buffalo Bills in the NFL, 4 straight Super Bowl appearances, all losses, but do we have him over Eli and Peyton Manning, Brady, Marino, Aikman, Montana, Elway, Brees, or Ben Roethlisberger? Fuck no!
I agree...Kobe was by far way better than Lebron and didn't need to build super-teams to win...Even Jordan himself has said Kobe is the only one who is just as good as him if not better.
You can put all asterisks on his loses. 2007 - No help 2011 - Nah. No asterisks here, Dirk just cooked them and LBJ choked. 2014 - Air-condition issue after losing to a Spurs team with 18pgm as highest. Nah this Spurs too good for them. 2015 - No Kyrie and Love 2017-18 - Can't beat Warriors with KD A win is a win. So is a lose is a lose.
Remember JJ said that foreign players tunr into Michael Jordan when they play the USA. So that means MJ is better than our today players plus they're the plumbers 😂😂😂
If the world was coming to a end and I had to pick 20 players lebron for sure wouldn’t be one of them. He’s good even though I do t like him but you can’t depend on him ever and he has no heart and relies on the refs and media to say he’s great. Old school players all had heart and they did their job every night. Dependable players and heart comes before clout. Jordan’s is the top in every category. And this is useless to talk about. When and if a players comes along one day and is better than Jordan there will be no debate just like there isn’t with Jordan and lebron.
Jordan faced all the top 10 shot blockers of all time. Jordan faced 7 out of the 10 steals leader of all time. Jordan faced 6 out of the 10 scoring leaders of all time. Jordan faced 6 out of the 10 rebound leaders of all time. Jordan faced 6 out of the 10 assists leaders of all time. Note: Wilt's stats particularly his blocks are not officially listed
Its simple 6-0 is better than 4-6. The fact that jordan had the shorter career to lebron makes more obvious who was the better player. Stats can only get you but so far especially when your trying to argue one guy is better because he played longer but didnt win more.
@@MyGoatFrFr His father literally got m*rdered while he was sleeping in his car, taking a rest from driving. Then MJ decided to take time away after already winning 3 in a row. Stop commenting on basketball, you are embarrassing yourself
@MyGoatFrFr David stern said it himself that he did not suspend him that jordan left on his own. The reason the media blamed it on the gambling because jordan was dominating the nba to the point they wanted him to loose
@@MyGoatFrFr Go finish your highschool homework. You are the type of person who would have Lebron as the goat, legit embarrassing lmao. Better hope Curry doesn't win another chip btw
It’s disingenuous when ppl try to justify Lebrons losses because if he was to win they would say he is so great so if he loses they say but….. You can’t have it one way and not the other
that's what i instantly get from the JJ commentary he doesn't believe on putting asterisk YET, he literally put asterisk on teams the beat Lebrons teams WTF is all i can say
I get it, that none of us were there to really watch the 60’s and 70’s eras but I just find it so disrespectful that Bill Russell and his Boston teams never get mentioned, when talking about greatest teams of all time.
They talk about the 90s era as being weak but this is the only era where a 36 year old Chris Paul led the league in assists two seasons ago and a 38 year old Lebron James averaged 28/6/6. And this summer, some of the best NBA players got beat in international competition. This is by far the weakest era we've seen since the NBA/ABA merger. Lebron is a top 10 but Jordan is the G.O.A.T. It's not even close...
Honest to God I dont have Bron even at 2. Like, top 5? Sure. He was still the first superstar to ever, in his absolute prime, to run two other top-10 players in the league. Why is that context never brought up? Why is that just forgiven at this point? That forever changed the culture of the league, and ripped out the soul of "franchise players", and gong to war for your team over your career against other franchise players. Younger fans wont know what The Decision took from us older fans. So, he ripped that away, then their first year together they BREEZE through the East 4-1'ing everyone, then Bron has the worst superstar choke in Finals history - Jordan's not doing that, ever. Simple as that. Not to mention MJ just had better production, defense, leadership, mindset, everything. If anything, Bron is just straight overrated for the teams hes had, hand-pick stacking his teams for an entire decade of his megaprime, and ending up with a losing Finals record. Give me a break, bro. No matter how much people spam it, and want it to be true, he is not LOCKED at #2. He has an argument, but that's it.
All losses are losses. Jordan lost to the Celtics in the playoffs twice. The Celtics were better. Jordan lost to the pistons in the playoffs 3 times. The pistons were better. Jordan got the pistons on the 4th try when pippen became an AS and the losses ended. No excuses needed. No reasons for the losses are needed. The reasons can be discussed but in the end Jordan lost to better teams. Period. Lebron fans, see how easy that is? Lebron lost to the spurs in 2007 and 2014, badly. No excuses needed. Lebron lost to the mavs in 2011. A bad loss to an old team. No excuses needed. Lebron lost to the warriors in 2015 2017 and 2018. They were a powerhouse, too bad. No excuses. Now you know how Jordan felt from 1984-1988 when he lost to powerhouses. He lost. No excuses needed. If you insist excuses are needed for Lebron’s losses, then you have to allow people to criticize the wins. In the end Lebron lost. He is 4-6 in the finals. Too bad.
As usual an amazing breakdown!! Spot on. Your channel is so necessary bro! JJ Reddick is a clown 🤡. I'm starting to despise him for the slime tactics. Especially because he played the game! Uncut salute 🫡 homie!💯
In today's game, its a lot easier to accumulate stats. If Jordan played today, his stats would automatically increase. That would push him above LeBron in almost every category. I wish people would just use logic.
He ignored the fact that in the 2020 finals The Heat had 2 starters (Goran Dragic and Bam Adebayo) who both got injured and missed games. Jimmy Butler literally had to carry the Heat to 2 wins by having 40 point Triple Doubles with Rookie Tyler Herro and undrafted players like Duncan Robinson and Kendrick Nunn. Hell, Meyers Leonard was the starting Center. A guy who couldn't keep a job in the NBA because he said a bad word on a video game stream was the Heat's starting center due to the Bam Adebayo injury.
Lebron fans always say longevity of Lebron over MJ. Longevity is easy when you play 10% of the time and barely play defense. Jordan played hard 80 to 82 games a season for 13 seasons and still beat out Lebron on championships awards defense offense, this is not even a comparison 😂
imagine being in the league for so long, scoring so many points to only come up short in finals wins to a guy who only spent 15 years in the league. I show more respect to a guy who wins at the highest level every time then to a guy who comes second best most times.
I really wonder if Redick has done any research on the Houston back to back rings in '94 and '95. Those were runs for the ages, one superstar with roleplayer help with a team that drafted that superstar. Hakeem's runs to the back to back rings are pretty much the most impressive of all time when you look at what he did, with what help and against who. Both of those runs were awesome. Look at '94 and against who the Rockets won and with what team. I'm not trying to push down players like Kenny Smith, Vernon Maxwell, Robert Horry or Otis Thorpe by any means but all those guys were 'good roleplayers' at best. That team beat a rather deep Porland, then Barkley's Suns, Stockton&Malone Jazz and Ewing's Knicks. And Hakeem was the sole all star in that team. In '95 the Rockets were a 6th seed and won every series without homecourt advantage. Sure they had added Drexler mid season but Clyde was not an all star anymore(I do love Clyde Drexler, one of my favourite players of all time!). And again they beat Barkley's Suns, Stockton&Malone Jazz, MVP Robinson's Spurs and then swept the 'superteam' of Shaq&Penny Magic who also had solid roleplayers like Grant and Scott. None of LeBron's playoff runs has been nearly as impressive, not even nearly as impressive, as those Rockets runs. The '11 Mavs run is also much more impressive than any of LeBron's runs. Hakeem's two back to back rings are more valuable than LeBron's 4 rings combined. Ring is a ring for sure but some rings hold much more weight and value than others.
So they rate making finals as an accomplishment and use context for losses with his competition..But why the competition in the east and how easy it was and how his stacked team was favored every year he made finals in the east!!
LeBron apologists never acknowledge the fact that he quits on his team if he thinks that they are out of the game or the series. They also want us to forget 2011!
MJ set a high standard. The debate was over the moment Lebron signed with Wade's team in Miami to get a couple of cheap ones instead of buckling down and earning a meaningful one with Cleveland.
One thing I'd like to add as a context to bulls wins not only in playoff series but in general is that in an era with strong big men dominating the paint (yes, back then there wee real centers who were allowed to camp in the paint) they had to fight without a single reliable center and still attack the rim through pure skill, creativity and of course ball movement (kudos to both Phil for the design and the players for the execution). So saying that the bulls were the super team and all their opponents were weak when in fact Jordan played with one all-star only and all their opponents had at least one clear edge over them is not simply overrated, it's pure nonsense. And we all know they overcame those hurdles by the pure will and leadership of MJ who would not quit on his team, would never disappear in the fourth. Actually it's quite the opposite and it's pretty obvious to anyone who watched bulls finals. To those who haven't i would say this: either watch and learn or stop comparing anyone to MJ except Kobe to an extent.
Even saying he is cemented at number 2 is highly debatable. That is to appease his fans, a sort of narrative to make peace with his supporters, a better consolation trophy.
At the end matching Jordan’s greatness in the finals is a tough task even for lebron. But you can’t be considered the goat when your constantly recruiting other great player on your team.
@@bigtiedesign3976 I don’t understand where you’re going with this topic? Are you stating he took less to get pippen and Rodman on his team to help his greatness?
@@bigtiedesign3976 Clearly you don’t know what the cba was back in era. If you think mj took less to win, you’re a delusional as lebron is for thinking he’s the goat but has a losing record in the finals.
I’ve been seeing Lebron stans say we act like MJ only played 6 years his championship years. In my opinion MJ played some of his best years before the championships just like how he was the best player in the world even before he won a MVP. Once he made it to the championships he never left it unless he retired. The only player that can say they stayed winning championships consistently is Bill.
It amazes me how the Shaq and Kobe lakers get overlooked. One finals run they only lost one game. 3 championships out of 4 consecutive finals appearance. What team 3peated after them? I can't respect a player that goes from team to team chasing rings.
Anyone who can see the basketball legitimately can tell you that the GOAT debate never existed. In time, LeBron won't even be in the top two. J.J. Redick forgot that in 2014, the Spurs had to go to Game 7 to get past the first round of the Western Conference. He's also forgetting that the easiest series the Spurs won in the entire 2014 playoffs was the Finals. Also, the 2017 Warriors, who were supposed to be unbeatable, had a close series with the Spurs in the regular season and who knows what would have happened in the playoffs had Kawhi Leonard not been injured. The 2018 Warriors barely made it to the Finals in Game 7 of the WCF, but they easily swept LeBron's team in the Finals. The only excuse LeBron fans had was to make those teams that beat LeBron look like teams they could never beat which is unbeatable. The reason people are mocking LeBron's loss is not because he just lost. It's because too many times (2007, 2014, 2018, 2020) his team was the easiest team to beat by champion teams in the playoffs that year. even easier than wcf 1st round.
When Jordan was winning championships, no one else was winning championships. In Lebron’s era many different teams have won championships. Steph Curry has just as many championships as Lebron, so you can say that Steph has the same right as Lebron to claim this era. I may be wrong but that’s the way I see it.
If that KD-Steph 2017-2018 warriors struggled against a brick shooting, No defense Harden/Injury prone cp3 led Rockets, i cant see them beating a healthy 72-10 bulls squad.
Here's what people always forget about Jordan: His stats were off the charts before he started winning. Phil Jackson convinced him that 'less is more' if you want to win in a team sport. Pointing out that 'Lebron did his part' in those losses is just a crazy argument. Perhaps that's why he lost! If Jordan was a stat-padder, he would not have listened to Phil and would not have retired the first time. That version of Jordan would have had over 40k points but probably only 2 rings. But that's not what that guy was all about. The real tragedy is Lebron leapfrogging Kareem, Kobe, Bird, etc to be even considered the consensus No. 2. Marketing at its finest. I think he's awesome but I have him mid/late top 10. And no...that isn't an insult. It's a compliment for a someone who can't shoot off the dribble or make free throws.
Queen Labrona isn't even in the top 10. He's behind Shaq and Tim Duncan in the mid to late teens. Hell, Patrick Ewing and Reggie Miller should be ranked higher.
After Redicks take on Larry Bird I don’t take him serious anymore. Loved when Nique called him out on it. Everyone in that Era knew bird was a Boss. And I would also take bird any day of the week over Bron. This coming from a laker fan that grew up in the 80’s
If anyone could convince me that Lebron is better than Kobe I would bother listen to the 'goat debate'. Until then I think bringing Michael in the conversation is ridiculous.
He can't be locked in at 2 when he's not better than Kareem, Bird, Magic, Kobe. Redick is one of the worst analyst's there is, and the only reason he's not the worst is because Nick Wright exists
I have ALWAYS been a massive LEBRON JAMES fan, but NEVER did I think he was better than JORDAN in most metrics of NBA basketball!! With LeBron aging before our very eyes, it's my wish LeBron would retire because many NBA greats, like Jordan for example, played too long and hurt their legacy a little by doing so. Jordan and LeBron both bulked up to get stronger, when their quickness started to fade!
JJ Redick's "context" most years was LeBron's team lost to a better team saying "who was going to beat THAT TEAM". Problem is the 1990s Bulls were not trying to beat "THAT TEAM" becuase the Bulls were THAT TEAM.
Jordan won 3 championships in a row and then left basketball completely, then came back and won 3 championship in a row that's crazy and Jordan played when teams played strong defense and could be super physical.
"always bring up the losses without context"
What kind of context would make any of LeBron's Finals losses acceptable in the GOAT conversation where you're comparing people who WON MORE RINGS and lost less Finals?!
Thank you. So we need context for the losses but not the wins 😂
I would love to hear the context for 2011 lol
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@@eMikerismbrons anxiety got the best of him. The first year of his first superteam was too overwhelming for him to lead . 😂😂😂😂😂😂
They say he's better because he "got to the finals more times" without mentioning the simplest "context" which is the fact that the East was that much weaker.
JJ wants context for losses but not Lebron’s wins. The Heat took AD and Lebron to 6 games with one of the weakest finals teams in history. Bird and Magic didn’t choose their teammates like Lebron did. MJ changed the paradigm for winning in The Modern Era. Lebron changed the paradigm for losing.
LeChina also changed paradigm for team hopping being a regular thing. Now every star wants to form a super team.
Well said.
"changed the paradigm for losing".........
Wow. You win.
@@cafelatte1124 Don't forget LeBum is one of the biggest floppers in the game. I've never seen anyone in the 90's flop once.
Sheesh bro no mercy huh? 😂
Its funny he has all these excuses for Lebron, but Jordan has never got the same excuse when the bulls were trash and had nobody but him..
The excuse for LBJ is he can bring trash teams to finals and MJ never made it finals with the trash teams. LBJ > MJ (magic Johnson)
@@longxiong496easy to carry a team in a trash conference. Lol you guys love final appearances to justify all those loses.
@ChicagoBusiiness Dirk beating them in the finals DESTROYED any notion of LeBron EVER being GOAT. He was beaten when he had PRIME D.Wade, Prime Bosh and a coach who already won a Chip on a team that we now know was formed because of Kobe the boogieman.
@@longxiong496 It's good that LeBitches shifted to participation trophies instead of actual awards; when you know you can't beat the best, at least try to scream, "I was there too! I've been there more times!" Every single finals run LBJ had in the pathetic Eastern Conference against such greats as Playoff P, Demar Defrozen, Kyle Korver, and the GOAT, Roy Hibbert, means nothing to me. And don't spread the "bad teammates" lie: When MJ's teammates were crackheads, he had 0 All-Stars (Pip became an All-Star in 1990) and was playing against monstrous competition that dominated his Bulls, he STILL performed like the GOAT, yet the media blamed him. In Cleveland, despite playing on 50 and even 60+ win teams (the 08-09 team had the best record in the NBA), alongside 2 All-Stars, in the pathetic Eastern Conference, LBJ folded like a towel, yet the media blamed his teammates.
@longxiong496 But he carry a trash bulls team to the playoffs and loss to the championship team
Jordan played with one all star in his career. He won multiple championships with the oldest team ever. MJ doesn’t know what it’s like to finish second in the NBA finals. 😂😂😂
Jordan played with one all star that he made into an all star player.
@@timmaz24sexactly 😂he molded scottie
@@TyroneNBAFan lmao lies u to. Bro be fr the competition was filled with talent hell the east was night & day stronger compared to the east lerbron played in 😂😂😂
@@TyroneNBAFansonics suns and Jazz were weak ? U dont know shit about Basketball
@@TyroneNBAFan knicks weak? Indiana weak? Lol your lebron cavs can easily killed by them haha
JJ has embarrassed himself so many times in the past few years, with only one intelligent moment against an extremely ignorant Perkins.
JJ and other sorrow Bronies always complained about Lebron running into GSW in 17 / 18 was unfair. It's all excuses b/c Jordan ran into Celtics that had 4 HOFs in 86 & 87 while having basically no help. Then there was Pistons that had 3 HOFs from 88 to 91. Jordan ran into many super teams as well so Bronies should stop pretending as if only Lebron had it tough.
And even then, they used their experience as players to explain who was right.... well Perk's IQ is instantly higher on the court, as a player that actually played defense and wasn't just a spot up shooter with 1 career double-double.... JJ has always embarrassed himself
They both super Bron fans mentality.
Jj has factually never embarrassed himself, he’s actually spoke about basketball the best. Tbh, this shows you don’t understand basketball
@@tkbaku3036 This can't be a serious comment. Obviously a young kid without any real knowledge of the game. Keep learning kiddo.
JJ is a fanboy. He does that to make his own career look better, because he was the one playing in a weak era for the second part of his career.
He is another member of clutch sports tbh dude is being paid
Facts, JJ was a bum in the era before now averaging under 10 points a game from the bench, then as soon as the league changes he has a career high in points putting up 18 a game at the age of 34 and near the ending of his career (which further shows how weak this era truly is). JJ’s very lucky the league became so 3 point happy because he was very close to flaming out of the league since he has a very limited skill set aside from shooting. It got so bad for him that Magic didn’t even believe in him enough to start over a rookie Courtney Lee who was a late 1st rounder, while JJ was a lottery pick.
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I will scream if I see another person proudly sharing a JJ Redick clip, analysis, or quote like he's some great basketball mind. Thousands of people have played in the league; not every one of them is intelligent, unbiased, or deserves attention as an "analyst."
Most people don't want to lie for a career. And most people don't watch basketball enough to know bs when they hear it.
The Lakers almost bowed down and hired this guy lmao
I think Jimmy Butler leading Miami to Finals last season was more impressive than Lebron leading Cavs to Finals in 07 but Lebron will get more credit for what he did even though Jimmy had to face tougher teams
There’s so many players who did better or the same that don’t get any credit as LBJ does bc they don’t have klutch media. Look what Luka did a couple years ago, he did way better against way better competition but klutch media still went on tv and said LBJ’s 07 run was better lol.
jimmy was 1 vote away from not getting ecf mvp lol
Facts. I don't know if it's more impressive then I seen LeBron in the Lakers in Cancun we're joker sent him he was gray. Htf in practice yesterday he's all black 😮
And Butler actually managed to take a game from Denver while Bron was swept by San Antonio in '07. Oh and also swept by that same Denver team
nuggets lost on purpose to win at home lmao you could see it in how they played, and you brought up 07 spurs when that heat team was way better than lebrons cavs lmfao@@redpillfreedom6692
I love how JJ laments that people will bring up LeBron's Finals losses "without context" and yet immediately labels anyone who brings up Draymond Green's suspension as a "hater."
If Kareem came out in high school and went pro. LeBron would never have broken his record. He was FORCED to play 4yrs at UCLA. No one ever brings this fact up.
Exactly 45k or more points
@@MyGoatFrFr LeBron will NEVER be the GOAT womp womp.
@@MyGoatFrFrMJ by light years. He's not even better than Kobe . He's a choker. And if you look at the stats in 4th quarters he's absolutely horrible. Convince yourself grasshopper, but tons of LeChokes fans are admitting it. Just look on TH-cam lol
@@MyGoatFrFr LeBron is no where near clutch. If human life was on the line and LeChoke was on the free throw line with 2 free throws to save humanity he'd miss both. MJ would swish both with his eyes closed. Kobe would bag them without a doubt, and ur dumbazz would be right there making an excuse for LeChoke.
@@MyGoatFrFr th-cam.com/video/ApHmYt7ziMk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=wa8ns8ofwjfn3nkK
Meh. Dirk crushed the three headed monster Heat in 2011. Why couldn't Lebron do that to the KD warriors at least one time?
Great point!! Never thought of that nor have i Heard anyone else say it. I agree.
And that's even factoring in LeBron supporting cast of Kyrie, Love & JR😂
I'm stealing this because it shuts down any excuse Bron groupies make for him losing so much. Thts context JJ and fellow Bron worshipers will call you a hater or casual over because there's no rebuttal for it 😂👍🏽👍🏽
@@tdup191Na, because they ain't smart enough to realize they wrong. If you need that much power to win you ain't the goat.
@@Rubrick23. or they don't want to take off the LeBron rose-tinted glasses. For them is got2b LeBron even though the bulk majority of people will tell them otherwise.
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar made it to 10 finals and zillions of playoffs series, yes, he won 6 titles but lost 4 finals series as well, I don't see him making any excuses for his losses. Neither does Magic and he lost 4 finals.Bird? He also lost quite a few but stayed true to his principles.
I guess Old-School basketball was about competing and winning not about making excuses and worst of all justifying them like they do in today's NBA.
Back in the day guys wanted to play against the best. LeBron started the trend of joining with the best in order to win 'ships. Now superstars are joining up left and right.
if they’re going to hype him up so much just for making it to the Finals all those times, then they also need to hold him accountable for losing in the Finals all those times
It’s crazy how many people will say Lebron is the reason those teams made it to the finals but we can’t blame him for the loses 😂
100% The bottom line is 60% losing record that is not G.O.A.T worthy
Yeah, and ray Allen and kyrie Irving bailed him out. That's not a GOAT, that's what happens when you're beating weak eastern teams in the playoffs, by the time you're in the finals, you're not sharpened, he's getting shut down and sometimes getting swept in the finals.
People made it sound like jordan just luckily didn't lost any finals. Well, that's because he just wont allow the toughest western team to beat him in the finals at all times. But that's not the case with LeBron, who had super teams, but still get swept from time to time, and they blame his finals losses because of raining 3 pointers from golden state warriors. Nope, that's because LeBron always have a meltdown in the finals.
@@Beetlechoose-1Lebron averaged a triple double in the finals nigga 😂 explain how that’s a meltdown. He also led both teams in every major stat in 2016
Lebron collapsing against Dallas in that finals and getting outscored by Jason Terry is never going to not have context to it. It's a black eye on his resume that completely destroys any comparisons that any Lefraud fan could make and it's something that Jordan doesn't have anything even resembling it on his resume.
Exactly bro!! How can he be the GOAT and get outplayed by such an inferior player than himself
Would be like MJ getting outplayed by Dan Marjerle in 93 Finals. Media would’ve crucified MJ for it.
The biggest problem LJ has is he’s not as good at basketball as MJ. That’s why MJ’s highlight reels are straight fire and LJ’s highlights look like a dump truck crashing through a roadblock.
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wtf is that take? for that matter, Ja morant is better because of his highlights. Dude, shut up
@@ChoperJoJo leave it up to a member of LBJTQ community to not know that a highlight reel includes more than dunks. Ever seen the highlights of MJ winning 6 championships?
While he takes 5 steps to the basket with no calls. If MJ was allowed that, he’d likely have twice the highlight reels, and untouchable stats? The NBA basically threw out travelling and DD once LeBum came to town.
@@crazyralph6386yeah fundamentals are lost these days. Look at Jordan and Kobe and their footwork and fundamentals are incredible. Lebron is big, strong and athletic but he isn’t as smooth as MJ.
The absurd take at the start of the '22 season "This isn't about winning it's about celebrating Lebron".
Yup, they say that shit so folks can give him a pass bc we all knew he wasn’t gonna win a championship. Yet they’ll bring up Wizards MJ for failing as if he was on a title contending team with high expectations lol.
Honest to God I dont have Bron even at 2. Like, top 5? Sure. He was still the first superstar to ever, in his absolute prime, to run two other top-10 players in the league. Why is that context never brought up? Why is that just forgiven at this point? That forever changed the culture of the league, and ripped out the soul of "franchise players", and gong to war for your team over your career against other franchise players. Younger fans wont know what The Decision took from us older fans. So, he ripped that away, then their first year together they BREEZE through the East 4-1'ing everyone, then Bron has the worst superstar choke in Finals history - Jordan's not doing that, ever. Simple as that. Not to mention MJ just had better production, defense, leadership, mindset, everything. If anything, Bron is just straight overrated for the teams hes had, hand-pick stacking his teams for an entire decade of his megaprime, and ending up with a losing Finals record. Give me a break, bro. No matter how much people spam it, and want it to be true, he is not LOCKED at #2. He has an argument, but that's it.
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx and pretend MJ didn't have a major injurys at the time.
MJ @ 38/39 WITH that injury.. Wizards 1st season went from 19 wins, to 38.
Lebron joins Lakers at 34/35 and only gained lakers +2 WINS !!!
They had ALREADY improved from 17 to 26, from 26 to 35 in last 2 seasons, and YOUNGER Lebron only added 2 wins?
AD JOINS and +15 wins.
no comparison.. MJ carred a Wizards team, Lebron WAS CARRIED by the Lakers.(esp AD).
Let them have their celebration. We can celebrate Zion or one of the other young bucks put LeBron on a poster this year
Takeout stats and MJ's physical abilities were far above. He did more moves in one air score than most have in their toolbox.
I love how he just says “you have 11”. Yeah just gloss over a LeBooboo performance to defend your argument 😂😂😂
Exactly, 😂😂😂 quick talk about 2014, 2011 doesn't exist
Which team was it they faced in 2011? I can't even remember
@@patrickevans9604 Mavs
'91 Pistons were "old" but 2014 Spurs weren't :) 91' Magic (31) was old but 2011 Dirk (32) wasn't. Second place has always been "first" loser. Just as an exercise: name all athletes placed second behind all Bolt's, Phelps's, or Serena's wins. Exactly.
Isiah was 29 and I think the oldest player was 33. THey use that as their excuse on why they were swept by the Bulls.
When MJ changed teams, he did that 1 time, after 2 yrs off, and went to a team that was certainly not close to being championship-ready. He wasn't actually chasing a ring, after '98. He was playing for the love of the game. That was 6 of 6 rings in only 12 full seasons. Through 1998, he missed about 2 seasons in that time (broken ankle and 1st retirement), which means he accomplised what he did, in a mere 12 full seasons worth of playing, against 29 other DEVELOPED teams, not 8 other, short-in-height newbies (basketball itself was new), like Bill Russel played against, night in and night out!
The 72-10 Bulls team is not the second best team ever. They are pound-for-pound THEE best team, ever (not considering the Dream Team). If MJ played in Steph's era, today, he'd average 42ppg. Kobe immediately increased 4ppg, once hand-checking was off the table, alone. The scale of now vs. 90 rules and physicality is not evenly-weighted. Look at the previous champions, defenders, and contenders that the Bulls went through, year after year. MJ's 6 rings are worth 8 rings today. 72 wins then are worth 79 wins today. The Bulls were about 8% better than the Warriors were.
Wake me up when a team achieves 80 wins, that team wins 9 rings, the star player averages 43ppg, the team never loses a finals series, that team wins a ring better than every other year, the star player is also on an olympic team better than the Dream Team and wins more gold metals than MJ, the star player dunks with beauty and power from further back than the freethrow line and wins 3 dunk champs, is all defense for 10 times or more, has a hunger-drive to win better than a starving and scared lion wants to eat, teams fear him and can only considerably defend him by physically hurting him, and all this happens over 17 yrs or less. Not 20 or more, like Lebron or Kobe (for less accomplished). THEN, we have a new GOAT player and team. This is why Lebron or anyone else simply are not even close to over-taking MJ for GOAT-hood. Sign me up to watch THAT GUY on THAT TEAM!!! Oh, and how does their fade-away look?! How do their dunks look?! Does the star player get OVER heads with the rim with a 49"+ vertical?!
Am I right everyone? What do y'all think it ACTUALLY takes to be the GOAT TEAM and GOAT PLAYER, today? Should the rules go back to the way they were in the 80s and 90s? Give me THAT, with no race nor politics garbage, and I'd then start watching NBA basketball, again. Until then, it's MJ and Bulls re-runs for me. I love watching the greatest team and player, ever, in the greatest era, ever.
Mic drop.
LOL all I know is if that is the case then which of those Warriors players are going to defend against Jordan - who ..., Curry - LMAO!!!!!
This has happened only 4 times in the history of the NBA where a player has:-
1) won the scoring title,
2) won the regular season MVP,
3) was first team defensive player,
4) led the play-offs in scoring and
5) won the MVP in the finals
Those players are ... Jordan, Jordan, Jordan and Jordan!
@@thefobbie0034 Yep! Channeling your inner Tim Grover are you?! ;)
@@TheHighestGodisGood - Who is Tim Grover? Does he agree that Jordan is the GOAT or is he a James supporter? I think Bird is better than James!
With respect but I am a Jordan supporter since my first game of seeing Jordan play for the Bulls was in 1987 and from there I watched every Chicago Bulls game live or recorded till his retirement in 1998!
SInce Jordan retired, I do not watch NBA anymore!
@@thefobbie0034 Tim Grover said the same thing you did. He was MJ's and Kobe's trainer. MJ goat fa life :)
@@TheHighestGodisGood oh ok - is that who it was!!!! For me that is a very telling statistic - it says it all let alone only Jordan achieved that feat 4 times and NO ONE else has!
I do not think there will ever be another Jordan!
If you saying lamebron is not responsible for the losses then MJ definitely wasn't at fault for losing against Celtics & Bad Boys!! But guess what MJ still blamed himself for the losses!!!
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Spot on.. MJ is still averaging 30s during the Piston series while the bad boys were doing wwe moves on him 😂
@@themindgamer5084😂😂
How many all stars and hall of famers did Jordan play with against the Celtics and the Pistons in the 80's....Exactly right NONE. How many all stars and/or HOF were on the Celtics and Pistons? I assure you more than 4 on the Celtics and a few on the Pistons and they brag that they beat Jordan. One man against all of them they should be ashamed to even say it out loud.
No asterisks on the wins… but lots of asterisks on the losses. I see. That is the opposite of “hater”… that’s a servile fanboy
Jordan was music in motion.
It was beautiful to watch. His mid-range jump shots, the way it came off his fingers was so fluid.
He embodied every aspect of the game. Heart, discipline, will to win . Blessed to see MJ and 90s basketball.
MJ is unique, his fade aways it was awesome to watch.
Lebron lost the GOAT conversation the first time when he went from as Skip Bayless would say “The Chosen One” to the Frozen One.” in the 2011 NBA Finals.
Lebron has 0 titles without superteam or 2nd player averaging 25-30 ppg like jordan never ever had that type of help…Also 2016 kyrie outplayed curry so how a finals you are suppose to win with more talented team and your second player outplays their best player but yet thats what makes him the goat is hilarious
He had one superteam buddy
@@brandangreen1390built by trade not by request buddy
@@MyGoatFrFrlol point was Bron teammate outplayed his opponent best player AND hit the game winning shot in game 7 yet Bron gets all the credit for winning and crowned himself the GOAT afterwards. Shits lame and you all over these comments defending tht goofy shit 😂👎🏽
Yea the bulls built around mj to make a super team lol. They didn't draft and trade for a bunch of top stars just to entice mj to jump ship from elsewhere
@@brandangreen1390and for a bit more context on my reply, I'll say that they "built" around Jordan by letting him and Phil work on identifying weaknesses in the team and working on bettering the play of everyone there. As the team got better, Jordan was able to shine more because of it lol
Lebron lost the GOAT conversation the second time when this man came out with a cast on his arm and stated that he was basically playing with a broken hand. I think it was the 2018 Finals against Golden State where he got swept.
I think it’s fair to say that Lebron at this point will never ever surpass Jordan.
Yeh and JJ played in 2000s where physicality was decreased never got an all star apperance of scored more than 15 ppg while being attacked by offensive players because he can't defend at all. A flat footed semi shooter like him is a bonus for their opponents.
"The finals losses without any context." 2011, bench players, Lebron on a super team is the 5th best player that series between both teams. That's ALL that has to be brought up
How many times have you seen MJ disappear in Any Game ???? How many times has Lebron ???? You always knew Jordan wud Show !!
JJ glossed over the 11 finals. He know it kills his argument to say LBJ bitched up and got outplayed by role players. They need to stop glorifying this era of defenselessness and over inflated stats.
Look at the glazing he does for lebron. First he says no one in history can beat the 2014 spurs. Then no one can beat the 17 and 18 warriors. Which one is it? Because someone would have to win if they played each other. Then he’s also said in the past the rockets would’ve won in 2018 if chris Paul didn’t get injured. So the 2018 warriors were unbeatable yet at the same time would’ve lost if not for the chris Paul injury. The levels of 🥩 riding he does for lebron is insane.
jj rhetoric back at it again
We need to stop ranking players all time pre retirement. I remember People having kawhi top 10 after 19 and the looks silly now. I have also never heard how LeBron passed Kobe or Kareem or wilt or shaq or others. I just remember one day before LeBron even won a title the media comparing him vs Jordan
Saying that no rings have asterisks is like saying that the 2017 warriors ring was as easy to win as Hakeem's 1994 or 1995 when hakeem had no help with the rockets
Clyde Drexler was "no help" in 1995?!? Amazing analysis.
Hakeem didn't have nobody huh? Horry maxwell Cassell Drexler Smith all were beast!
They were a sixth seed and compared to the warriors he didn't
JJ reddick the plumber of this modern era
LOL! Not untrue.
JJ redick is wrong about the 17-18 warriors kawhi Leonard was going to beat them for sure and they couldn’t even stop him for sure. Mj would have torch the warriors. Bird Kobe shaq magic Hakeem can beat those warriors
Your right how come no one talks about that the warriors were losing badly in game 1 to the Spurs and if Kawhi Leonard didn't get hurt it could've been a whole different story.
Also kawhi was unstoppable against the warriors. He would have won the finals that year for sure. The warriors cannot handle tough players who are physical they get tired and it shows in those games.
To be honest and I might get a lot of heat for sayig this, but I think those warriors teams that LeBron's team played against may just be a little bit overrated.
Nah you're right ✅️ very right..i think 🤔 the Lakers and Bulls who finished with 70+ wins are way better than the record breaking Warriors 😅
@@MyGoatFrFrlies.... Kyrie outscored Steph and Love/JR equalled Klay/Draymond ppg in 17 Finals not to mention Cavs went 12-1 in East playoffs AND beat Warriors on Christmas day. Just because Cavs lost doesn't mean they had no chance at winning
@@MyGoatFrFr 2018 the comp in East was trash. Pacers, Raptors nor Celtics without Kyrie and Hayward were contenders and majority of the best players in league were out West. If Cavs were in West they wouldn't have even made it to WCF let alone Finals just to get swept because even Spurs and Pelicans were good enough to beat Warriors once in playoffs 😂🗑
those warriors with kd were elite. but the 96 bulls.... would eat their lunch and send them home crying to mommy. whether they played in the 90s or today, those bulls would have those warriors making lebron-level excuses.
Mosgov is soo underrated that finals cause he was heavily effective efficient and deserved more touches
Lmao lebron was the only player in 2007 finals that underperformed.....his teammates still played at the same level throughout the playoffs. Horrible take jj redick
That Draymond Suspension is a momentum breaker. Very clear.
Locked in with recency bias, sure. Lots of arguments for each of the top 5 guys, even some for the top 10 guys. When the recency bias is gone, i highly doubt his lasting power will be as strong as Jordans which means he's at risk of dropping just like what happened to every other legend in the past. Jordan's staying power is extremely strong bc the eye test plus all the necessary avg's, advanced metrics and rings and fmvps count is just more captivating than a totals records list while having to ignore the "losses without context" that only seems to conveniently apply to Lebron and not anyone else's losses and they'll see flaws in using logenvity to prop Bron up while seeing no one does it to say Stockton is the goat pg or even top 2. They'll see in no other sport do people try to claim someone with a losing record as the greatest of their sport.
Try convincing Kobe fans that Bron is better before you start claiming a locked position b/c theres still a massive population that thinks Kobe is locked at 2 even if i disagree with that as well.
The difference is that Lebron has a massive argument for 2, and it’s almost impossible to have him out of your 5. Kobe’s has no argument for top 2, and barely any for top 5.
@@gggyy7104 he does have a big argument for 2 for sure, but to say kobe has no argument is looking simply at the 1 lens kobe lacks. The advanced metrics lens. The perfect stats lens. Kobe has the eye test. The fear test/killer instinct, and the alpha test on top of the playoff success with his 5 rings. You could argue even if kobe was 1b in ring 2 and 3, he was good enough that you could imagine he'd be 1a if lebrkn was on the team instead of Shaq and that's 4 ring tie as the 1a in my eyes but thats all subjective in the end. Jordana rings and fmvps are not so. Hes unquestionably the alpha and omega of all of his rings.
@@HailKingCeezer I’m looking at it objectively. Kobe does nothing better than Jordan so that’s his goat case gone right there. And then just compare Lebron, Kareem, Magic, Duncan, Wilt, Bill Russell, Bird, Shaq to Kobe and you can easily find 4 other players better.
@@gggyy7104 better based on what though? There is no 1 objective thing we can look at. It's usually a combination, and I believe kobes got enough of a combination to warrant the argument just the same as lebron and neither to me are locks but thats subjective of course. These type of arguments are much easier to have 10+ years post retirement for all parties
@@HailKingCeezer I don’t believe that. What Kobe does better is significantly less valuable than Lebron in my opinion. The only way I see someone having Kobe top 2 is if they value volume scoring, aethestics, mentality, popularity and flashiness over everything else.
Lebron not top 10 , that last few years hurts his legacy imo , he literally plays no defense is a totally liability and on offense just stands around at the 3 point line if he doesnt have the ball. His teams play 4 v 5 75% of the time hes on the floor. Hes to busy stat padding to sit his old ass down and rest , so he rests on the court at the expense of his team , waiting for some low effort rebounds , points , and assist to come his way
Lebrons best comparison will always be Wilt. A physical freak of nature who put up monstrous stats, but ultimately didn’t win enough for the talent and help he had
Idk why Lebron is always compared to guys like MJ, Kareem, or even Magic
Lebron and Wilt have both had less help than all 3 of those guys, certainly Kareem and Magic
@@gggyy7104lmao how much help your king need?? AD put up 27 14 and 4 blocks vs Nuggets and Lakers still got swept then AD got blamed. Add in Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love and the slew of elite role players acquired through trades it's irritating as hell to see ppl say Bron didn't have enough help but will at same time say he makes players better. Shit makes zero sense just like him being cemented at #2 with more Finals Ls than wins 😂🤦🏽♂️
@@tdup191 Lebron having so much help is also the reason why he has only been favoured in 3 finals out of 10 right? Meanwhile Jordan can be favoured 6 times out of 6 in the finals and he has no help
@@gggyy7104 lol you're talking out your ass because 1. Bulls didn't have home court in 2 of the 6 Finals and 2. Bron lost as a favorite with Cavs and Heat so bringing up favorites and what not is another lame excuse especially when the comp in East was terrible which allowed him to make to it Finals so many times just to get swept or gentleman swept 😂
He aint even passed kobe..like wtf...man i wish kobe was here to put these goofies in their place...cuz i know they wouldnt be talkin like this if he were alive..
I just don’t understand how people can get behind a guy who takes possessions off. Michael Jordan never took possessions off…
It's a shame he's so dismissive of the old generation when he's very much open to underrated and underappreciated talent in the current generation of NBA players.
LeBron isn't a top 5 player maybe not even 10 I have 8 players ahead of him
Not in my top 100
For me personally, it’s not about getting to the Finals, it’s about what you do when you get there. Take the Jim Kelly era Buffalo Bills in the NFL, 4 straight Super Bowl appearances, all losses, but do we have him over Eli and Peyton Manning, Brady, Marino, Aikman, Montana, Elway, Brees, or Ben Roethlisberger? Fuck no!
When you have to mention yourself in the GOAT debate, you ain’t him.
Reddick az always running half truths on whenever the he's defending lebron
The Disrespect Kobe Bryant gets crazy
No,Kobe’s top 10.
I agree...Kobe was by far way better than Lebron and didn't need to build super-teams to win...Even Jordan himself has said Kobe is the only one who is just as good as him if not better.
@@JayEmm-vd5ls that's what I'm saying how's it not clear to people
You can put all asterisks on his loses.
2007 - No help
2011 - Nah. No asterisks here, Dirk just cooked them and LBJ choked.
2014 - Air-condition issue after losing to a Spurs team with 18pgm as highest. Nah this Spurs too good for them.
2015 - No Kyrie and Love
2017-18 - Can't beat Warriors with KD
A win is a win. So is a lose is a lose.
Remember JJ said that foreign players tunr into Michael Jordan when they play the USA. So that means MJ is better than our today players plus they're the plumbers 😂😂😂
After getting stomped badly multiple times in the Finals.. Wr gotta question IF they were even the 2nd best NBA team those years.
If the world was coming to a end and I had to pick 20 players lebron for sure wouldn’t be one of them. He’s good even though I do t like him but you can’t depend on him ever and he has no heart and relies on the refs and media to say he’s great. Old school players all had heart and they did their job every night. Dependable players and heart comes before clout. Jordan’s is the top in every category. And this is useless to talk about. When and if a players comes along one day and is better than Jordan there will be no debate just like there isn’t with Jordan and lebron.
MJ is the best sports athlete I've ever witnessed. Ask anyone in the world.
Jordan faced all the top 10 shot blockers of all time.
Jordan faced 7 out of the 10 steals leader of all time.
Jordan faced 6 out of the 10 scoring leaders of all time.
Jordan faced 6 out of the 10 rebound leaders of all time.
Jordan faced 6 out of the 10 assists leaders of all time.
Note: Wilt's stats particularly his blocks are not officially listed
Its simple 6-0 is better than 4-6. The fact that jordan had the shorter career to lebron makes more obvious who was the better player. Stats can only get you but so far especially when your trying to argue one guy is better because he played longer but didnt win more.
@@MyGoatFrFr how did the nba protect jordan?
@@MyGoatFrFr that was because his father got killed, and the reason he decided to play baseball
@@MyGoatFrFr His father literally got m*rdered while he was sleeping in his car, taking a rest from driving. Then MJ decided to take time away after already winning 3 in a row. Stop commenting on basketball, you are embarrassing yourself
@MyGoatFrFr David stern said it himself that he did not suspend him that jordan left on his own. The reason the media blamed it on the gambling because jordan was dominating the nba to the point they wanted him to loose
@@MyGoatFrFr Go finish your highschool homework. You are the type of person who would have Lebron as the goat, legit embarrassing lmao. Better hope Curry doesn't win another chip btw
It’s disingenuous when ppl try to justify Lebrons losses because if he was to win they would say he is so great so if he loses they say but….. You can’t have it one way and not the other
that's what i instantly get from the JJ commentary
he doesn't believe on putting asterisk
YET, he literally put asterisk on teams the beat Lebrons teams
WTF is all i can say
I get it, that none of us were there to really watch the 60’s and 70’s eras but I just find it so disrespectful that Bill Russell and his Boston teams never get mentioned, when talking about greatest teams of all time.
They talk about the 90s era as being weak but this is the only era where a 36 year old Chris Paul led the league in assists two seasons ago and a 38 year old Lebron James averaged 28/6/6. And this summer, some of the best NBA players got beat in international competition. This is by far the weakest era we've seen since the NBA/ABA merger. Lebron is a top 10 but Jordan is the G.O.A.T. It's not even close...
Honest to God I dont have Bron even at 2. Like, top 5? Sure. He was still the first superstar to ever, in his absolute prime, to run two other top-10 players in the league. Why is that context never brought up? Why is that just forgiven at this point? That forever changed the culture of the league, and ripped out the soul of "franchise players", and gong to war for your team over your career against other franchise players. Younger fans wont know what The Decision took from us older fans. So, he ripped that away, then their first year together they BREEZE through the East 4-1'ing everyone, then Bron has the worst superstar choke in Finals history - Jordan's not doing that, ever. Simple as that. Not to mention MJ just had better production, defense, leadership, mindset, everything. If anything, Bron is just straight overrated for the teams hes had, hand-pick stacking his teams for an entire decade of his megaprime, and ending up with a losing Finals record. Give me a break, bro. No matter how much people spam it, and want it to be true, he is not LOCKED at #2. He has an argument, but that's it.
All losses are losses.
Jordan lost to the Celtics in the playoffs twice. The Celtics were better.
Jordan lost to the pistons in the playoffs 3 times. The pistons were better.
Jordan got the pistons on the 4th try when pippen became an AS and the losses ended.
No excuses needed. No reasons for the losses are needed. The reasons can be discussed but in the end Jordan lost to better teams. Period.
Lebron fans, see how easy that is? Lebron lost to the spurs in 2007 and 2014, badly. No excuses needed.
Lebron lost to the mavs in 2011. A bad loss to an old team. No excuses needed.
Lebron lost to the warriors in 2015 2017 and 2018. They were a powerhouse, too bad. No excuses. Now you know how Jordan felt from 1984-1988 when he lost to powerhouses.
He lost. No excuses needed. If you insist excuses are needed for Lebron’s losses, then you have to allow people to criticize the wins.
In the end Lebron lost. He is 4-6 in the finals. Too bad.
As usual an amazing breakdown!! Spot on. Your channel is so necessary bro! JJ Reddick is a clown 🤡. I'm starting to despise him for the slime tactics. Especially because he played the game! Uncut salute 🫡 homie!💯
In today's game, its a lot easier to accumulate stats. If Jordan played today, his stats would automatically increase. That would push him above LeBron in almost every category. I wish people would just use logic.
He ignored the fact that in the 2020 finals The Heat had 2 starters (Goran Dragic and Bam Adebayo) who both got injured and missed games.
Jimmy Butler literally had to carry the Heat to 2 wins by having 40 point Triple Doubles with Rookie Tyler Herro and undrafted players like Duncan Robinson and Kendrick Nunn. Hell, Meyers Leonard was the starting Center. A guy who couldn't keep a job in the NBA because he said a bad word on a video game stream was the Heat's starting center due to the Bam Adebayo injury.
These guys had to do it with so & so but if different when you form a team but when you running to a strong Team is totally different!!😂😂
Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time
There's a difference between players being drafted and joining together
Oooh. He messed up mentioning Magic and Larry’s teammates.
Your videos never disappoint. You’re always on target. All you do is tell the truth you don’t give your opinion you just break things down. I love it.
Lebron fans always say longevity of Lebron over MJ. Longevity is easy when you play 10% of the time and barely play defense. Jordan played hard 80 to 82 games a season for 13 seasons and still beat out Lebron on championships awards defense offense, this is not even a comparison 😂
imagine being in the league for so long, scoring so many points to only come up short in finals wins to a guy who only spent 15 years in the league. I show more respect to a guy who wins at the highest level every time then to a guy who comes second best most times.
I really wonder if Redick has done any research on the Houston back to back rings in '94 and '95. Those were runs for the ages, one superstar with roleplayer help with a team that drafted that superstar. Hakeem's runs to the back to back rings are pretty much the most impressive of all time when you look at what he did, with what help and against who.
Both of those runs were awesome. Look at '94 and against who the Rockets won and with what team. I'm not trying to push down players like Kenny Smith, Vernon Maxwell, Robert Horry or Otis Thorpe by any means but all those guys were 'good roleplayers' at best. That team beat a rather deep Porland, then Barkley's Suns, Stockton&Malone Jazz and Ewing's Knicks. And Hakeem was the sole all star in that team. In '95 the Rockets were a 6th seed and won every series without homecourt advantage. Sure they had added Drexler mid season but Clyde was not an all star anymore(I do love Clyde Drexler, one of my favourite players of all time!). And again they beat Barkley's Suns, Stockton&Malone Jazz, MVP Robinson's Spurs and then swept the 'superteam' of Shaq&Penny Magic who also had solid roleplayers like Grant and Scott.
None of LeBron's playoff runs has been nearly as impressive, not even nearly as impressive, as those Rockets runs. The '11 Mavs run is also much more impressive than any of LeBron's runs. Hakeem's two back to back rings are more valuable than LeBron's 4 rings combined. Ring is a ring for sure but some rings hold much more weight and value than others.
So they rate making finals as an accomplishment and use context for losses with his competition..But why the competition in the east and how easy it was and how his stacked team was favored every year he made finals in the east!!
LeBron apologists never acknowledge the fact that he quits on his team if he thinks that they are out of the game or the series. They also want us to forget 2011!
The modern NBA has diluted the product by changing rules to allow traveling and inhibit defense. Moving screens happen virtually every play.
80s and 90s is where "No blood no foul" motto came from. while 70s "eat my shorts". 2000s "The oscar goes to"
MJ set a high standard. The debate was over the moment Lebron signed with Wade's team in Miami to get a couple of cheap ones instead of buckling down and earning a meaningful one with Cleveland.
One thing I'd like to add as a context to bulls wins not only in playoff series but in general is that in an era with strong big men dominating the paint (yes, back then there wee real centers who were allowed to camp in the paint) they had to fight without a single reliable center and still attack the rim through pure skill, creativity and of course ball movement (kudos to both Phil for the design and the players for the execution). So saying that the bulls were the super team and all their opponents were weak when in fact Jordan played with one all-star only and all their opponents had at least one clear edge over them is not simply overrated, it's pure nonsense. And we all know they overcame those hurdles by the pure will and leadership of MJ who would not quit on his team, would never disappear in the fourth. Actually it's quite the opposite and it's pretty obvious to anyone who watched bulls finals. To those who haven't i would say this: either watch and learn or stop comparing anyone to MJ except Kobe to an extent.
Even saying he is cemented at number 2 is highly debatable. That is to appease his fans, a sort of narrative to make peace with his supporters, a better consolation trophy.
At the end matching Jordan’s greatness in the finals is a tough task even for lebron. But you can’t be considered the goat when your constantly recruiting other great player on your team.
@@bigtiedesign3976 I don’t understand where you’re going with this topic? Are you stating he took less to get pippen and Rodman on his team to help his greatness?
@@bigtiedesign3976 Clearly you don’t know what the cba was back in era. If you think mj took less to win, you’re a delusional as lebron is for thinking he’s the goat but has a losing record in the finals.
These Lebron advocates are obsessed with having LBJ view as greater than MJ. It’s getting weird at this point. Why so obsessed?
I’ve been seeing Lebron stans say we act like MJ only played 6 years his championship years. In my opinion MJ played some of his best years before the championships just like how he was the best player in the world even before he won a MVP. Once he made it to the championships he never left it unless he retired. The only player that can say they stayed winning championships consistently is Bill.
It amazes me how the Shaq and Kobe lakers get overlooked. One finals run they only lost one game. 3 championships out of 4 consecutive finals appearance. What team 3peated after them? I can't respect a player that goes from team to team chasing rings.
Anyone who can see the basketball legitimately can tell you that the GOAT debate never existed. In time, LeBron won't even be in the top two.
J.J. Redick forgot that in 2014, the Spurs had to go to Game 7 to get past the first round of the Western Conference. He's also forgetting that the easiest series the Spurs won in the entire 2014 playoffs was the Finals.
Also, the 2017 Warriors, who were supposed to be unbeatable, had a close series with the Spurs in the regular season and who knows what would have happened in the playoffs had Kawhi Leonard not been injured.
The 2018 Warriors barely made it to the Finals in Game 7 of the WCF, but they easily swept LeBron's team in the Finals.
The only excuse LeBron fans had was to make those teams that beat LeBron look like teams they could never beat which is unbeatable.
The reason people are mocking LeBron's loss is not because he just lost.
It's because too many times (2007, 2014, 2018, 2020) his team was the easiest team to beat by champion teams in the playoffs that year. even easier than wcf 1st round.
When Jordan was winning championships, no one else was winning championships. In Lebron’s era many different teams have won championships. Steph Curry has just as many championships as Lebron, so you can say that Steph has the same right as Lebron to claim this era. I may be wrong but that’s the way I see it.
If that KD-Steph 2017-2018 warriors struggled against a brick shooting, No defense Harden/Injury prone cp3 led Rockets, i cant see them beating a healthy 72-10 bulls squad.
Lebron not only team hops but doesn’t credit those teammates, that’s why others bring it up.
Here's what people always forget about Jordan: His stats were off the charts before he started winning. Phil Jackson convinced him that 'less is more' if you want to win in a team sport. Pointing out that 'Lebron did his part' in those losses is just a crazy argument. Perhaps that's why he lost! If Jordan was a stat-padder, he would not have listened to Phil and would not have retired the first time. That version of Jordan would have had over 40k points but probably only 2 rings. But that's not what that guy was all about. The real tragedy is Lebron leapfrogging Kareem, Kobe, Bird, etc to be even considered the consensus No. 2. Marketing at its finest. I think he's awesome but I have him mid/late top 10. And no...that isn't an insult. It's a compliment for a someone who can't shoot off the dribble or make free throws.
Michael Scott says _THANK_ YOU!
Queen Labrona isn't even in the top 10. He's behind Shaq and Tim Duncan in the mid to late teens. Hell, Patrick Ewing and Reggie Miller should be ranked higher.
After Redicks take on Larry Bird I don’t take him serious anymore. Loved when Nique called him out on it. Everyone in that Era knew bird was a Boss. And I would also take bird any day of the week over Bron. This coming from a laker fan that grew up in the 80’s
If anyone could convince me that Lebron is better than Kobe I would bother listen to the 'goat debate'. Until then I think bringing Michael in the conversation is ridiculous.
Anyone putting Lebronze above MJ and Kobe is touched
When LeBron made his “Decision” he cemented himself behind Jordan. In my opinion the losing finals record cemented him behind Kobe too.🤷🏽
He can't be locked in at 2 when he's not better than Kareem, Bird, Magic, Kobe. Redick is one of the worst analyst's there is, and the only reason he's not the worst is because Nick Wright exists
I have ALWAYS been a massive LEBRON JAMES fan, but NEVER did I think he was better than JORDAN in most metrics of NBA basketball!!
With LeBron aging before our very eyes, it's my wish LeBron would retire because many NBA greats, like Jordan for example, played too long and hurt their legacy a little by doing so. Jordan and LeBron both bulked up to get stronger, when their quickness started to fade!
JJ Redick's "context" most years was LeBron's team lost to a better team saying "who was going to beat THAT TEAM". Problem is the 1990s Bulls were not trying to beat "THAT TEAM" becuase the Bulls were THAT TEAM.
Jordan won 3 championships in a row and then left basketball completely, then came back and won 3 championship in a row that's crazy and Jordan played when teams played strong defense and could be super physical.
He's either a fanboy or paid by klutch
It boggles the mind that people don't realize how many of these guys are literally represented by klutch sports.