Pastor Reacts to John MacArthur 03 | "Jesus died for all who died..."
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- John MacArthur believes wholeheartedly in the doctrines of TULIP, and this video in particular address the issue of limited atonement. !!! These videos are not intended to degrade the man, but we fully believe the doctrines he teaches are not in accordance with the scripture !!!
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Thank you for showing this. I have always had a problem listening to JM, not always knowing why. It's preachers like this that have left me confused for years. Again, thank you.
Me too - it's wickedness on stilts!
Jesus died for the world, even unbelievers. Because the entity that humans agreed to it's laws, 10 commandments, and 613 levitical laws, could not be overcome. Jesus did, and the entity humans thought was God...was satan...Have fun kids!
The problem with a lot of Calvinism is that it is based on John Calvin's words and not GOD's Word!
Mmhm, the "J.C" we must listen to is not John Calvin, a mere man, but Lord and God Jesus Christ
@@NikoFinn
🎉
If Jesus didn't die for the whole world, then He wouldn't have the right to judge those who reject Him.
Exactly
- Trent
Why wouldn't He?
Macarthur's confusion literally seems like a perfect example of someone trying to explain the bible without the holy spirit.
Yep!!!
And we all know who the author of confusion is - JM just loves to sow those seeds of doubt & confusion!
So as a past preschool teacher, and this may be a simple comparison, but when I’d bring cupcakes to class , they were for EVERYONE ( ALL) but only those that received ) took a cupcake, got a cupcake and could then enjoy their cupcake. No one was forced nor did I choose for them who I wanted to include to get or not get one.
When Christ died , it’s the same idea … he died for EVERYONE ( ALL) but only those that receive ( take the offer ) get to enjoy the gift ) eternal life.
Offering to all is different than all taking advantage of what is offered. You can choose to or not. But it’s there for EVERYONE to take what’s offered yet is not forced nor chosen for them.
Great point about the cupcakes bring for everyone, BUT a greater point would be to remember that the cupcakes have to be the SAME cupcakes for the preschool class kids to choose from. For example all chocolate with vanilla icing, etc.😊
Well said
@@JohnNolen-n2g sounds like you like cupcakes 😋
And oh yes they would all be equal or that wouldn’t be fair. And besides the kids would point out that someone got a better cupcake or different one than they did, believe me 😂😂
@@Smerm Hey. I want some cupcakes. Looks like I need to make a trip to Publix bakery.
@@magicalmike3629 😂😋
I find it hard to believe that even he can believe what he is teaching. The acrobatics that he must perform to make this theology fit the bible is beyond reasonable.
This is a clear example where mans pride will not allow the Holy spirit to direct, or it's possible he doesn't have the holy spirit.
@getrit3007Amen
We visit the churches, connect with the pastor and congregation and find out their belief. We try to persuade them to faith alone. After a time when the pastor discovers what we are doing he confronts us. Sometime we have persuaded the pastor and some members to trust in Christ alone by faith alone. We also have been persecuted in many ways. When we open the bible and show them that this is not what we are saying but this is what Gods word in saying we have sometimes witnessed the power of rebirth before our very eyes. This is our evangelistic calling we have been doing for many years. Gods blessing to FBC and your ministry.
Praise the Lord! God bless you and your ministry also.
- Trent
I think McArthur knows he's lying, he can't be that dense
Agreed!!! I reckon there's lots of big names that are actually working for the enemy.
I watch another video which totally caught calvanist preachers lying. It seems to be a pattern in calvanism to justify their weak case. They also use so much word salad and big wording it makes them seem educated. But I find it to be nonsense.
To say someone is lying is a very serious accusation. Even if it's only your opinion. God seriously warns and commands not to make false accusations. If you think anyone is lying, God says you better have proof and witnesses.
It would be better for you to say that you disagree with what MacArthur is saying than to say that he's lying.
Accusations of someone lying is extremely serious. Don't use that term so flippantly. It's not flippant.
@@denniscrumbley8274 there's no way he thinks the world means the chosen
@@kaioken654 Agreed. All Calvinists teach a false Gospel. They are all liars.
Keep preaching TRUTH, Pastor Jesse! 🙌🏼
So grateful to you, Trent, and this ministry!
He has to know that he's twisting scriptures. Yeah, especially when it when it says, For God so loved the whole world!!❤
I don't think so, I think HE thinks he is so theologically sound that he doesn't interpret anything wrong.
When I first believed in 1978 at Lackland AFB while in the USAF and man named Jesse (I cannot remember his last name) started to disciple me. How good of the Lord to bring another Jesse into my life through TH-cam to clear up a lot of confusion that has caused me so much stress. Praise God and bless you Pastor Jesse.
"Whosoever will" may come. "God so loved the world" (not the globe but the sinful people who live here). etc., etc. Thank you for clarifying that Christ's atonement is UNLIMITED: One sacrifice for all. This makes salvation a free gift available to ALL. Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy He has saved us. Salvation is the free gift available to those who believe in the basis of that salvation: Christ's death on the cross.
I look at it this way: Either Jesus died for ALL people, or He died for no one. He didn't just die for a limited few.
what kind of life is it where you do not know God loves you? I would call that most especially the world of Islam.
Calvinism is NOT CHRISTIANITY.
JM is a deceiver, whether knowingly or not I don't know but he's definitely an enemy of the cross and Jesus our Lord and Saviour.
So is Justin Peters, another Calvinist.
@f.r.ashley1317 yep,
Read his statement of faith on his website Justin Peters Ministries.
An enemy? Wao.. his the only pastor that didn't go with the vaccine lie. Anyway he's a good teacher, some things he gets wrong, & agree his not perfect, but r any of us? 🙏
Lets keep it simple. God so loved the world. This is astoundingly definitive.
Excellent presentation, very clear and concise, thank you!
We all have to remember we had to pray for JM! even if he’s not getting the Scriptures right. And yes, one too many from JM🤷♂️
Trent clipping Jessie's head nod at the 4:14 mark at the beginning made me grin I'll have to admit because I got to see it twice lol.
That's the same way many feel when hearing such a clear passage that some still manage to just totally miss and read into it some strange idea. Sola scriptura seems only to apply for Calvinists if certain words like all, world and every are not being used.
Thanks for another great one brothers. Keep on sharing the truth 👊🏻 God bless..
Thank you Pastor for telling the TRUTH!!
1st John 2:2 proves Christ died for the entire world...
Agreed. Thanks for sticking clear to the gospel Gregg.
- Trent
Great expose' JM. Not sure what is the more disturbing. JMac's Calvinism, or those who cannot discern that it's another gospel??
Amen!
How is calvinism "another gospel?" Show me where any calvinist teaches anything but salvation by grace through faith in the person and work of Christ.
@@johntrevett2944 Ya, that's the conundrum. They have "Saved by faith alone in Christ" in their system. But unfortunately, they teach: Only a random pre-chosen some will irresistibly turn to Christ, consequently all others have been arbitrarily preordained to destruction by God's divine decree.
@@johntrevett2944 Grace is NOT afforded to all in Calvinism
@@mikelyons2831 Election is always to salvation, never damnation. Only human logic/philosophy teaches that, not scripture. It's called double predestination and that's unbiblical.
Hard to believe someone this popular and well known can be so misleading 😢
Yep. & hard for me to believe so many in the body of Christ can't see the difference between his Calvinism & scripture.
Compare Matthew 11:28-30, John 3:17, Luke 9:56, Acts 17:26-31, Romans 5:18 & 10:11-13, Titus 2:11, 1 John 2:2 & Revelation 22:17 with Calvinism (Only a random pre-chosen some will irresistibly turn to Christ, consequently all others have been arbitrarily preordained to destruction by God's divine decree??)
The Devil is the most popular of all!!! Narrow is the gate!!!
1st Timothy Chp 4 vs 1.
Luke Chapter 8 vs 13
John Chp 15 verses 1-8
It’s really quite simple. Some people think they’re smarter than they’re or just too smart for their own good. Either way
There’s a reason God wants us to have child like faith! It’s because the gospel is very simple that even a child can understand it. The sacrifice was beyond words to comprehend but our response is simple because Jesus did the work!
Believe on the Lord Jesus and you shall be saved! That’s it. Just Amazing Grace
Love you and these videos brother, great work and God bless.
Jesse, Thanks so much for exposing these wicked teachers.... Many other correct salvation teachers have revealed this corrupt teacher but is is still helpful to some to hear it from a certified preacher.
Jesus died for all who were dead in their sins (the unsaved) in order to save them through his atonement on the cross. Commitment to live a sanctified life or dying daily is discipleship not the criteria for salvation but the outflow/fruit. Thanks Pastor Jesse for your excellent teaching. God bless.
People, read your Bible! Let the Holy Spirit guide you into all truth just as Jesus told us He would. Thank you, Jesse, for boldly critiquing John MacArthur and Calvinism.
Amen!
Subscribed!! Thanks again pastor for your honesty!!
*Pastor Robert Jeffries muddies the water of salvation by Grace alone too. I don’t know if he’s a five point Calvinist, but his preaching is definitely Calvinistic.*
*And my goodness, it seems as if he despises the KJV. But he preaches from the NIP (New International PERVERSION).*
Surely we will do a video on him one day! If you want to send one in, email it to questions@biblelineministries.org
- Trent
@@BibleLine *My man!!! 👊🏾 Thank you sir.*
JMac's interpretation of that passage is stunningly ignorant for a man who should know better. The only explanation for such deception - spiritual warfare.
And, PRIDE!
Matthew 20:28
King James Version
28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many. In this verse does many represent "all"?
Contextually, there are multiple options, but I believe a comparison of scripture is required to have the full understanding. If you stuck to Matthew 20 you have these options:
1) Gentiles
2) The multitude
3) His disciples
It’s not really defined because his intent is answering the question about sitting at his right side.
John 3, 1 John 2 and other scriptures make it clear that he died for all…
Perhaps also the term many is emphasizing the need for them to live subservient to others for the sake of the kingdom…
- Trent
Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for *HER*
Sounds like JM is standing in the Matthew 7:21-23 line. Scary thought.😔
I disagree and only Christ sees the heart. I would be careful in trying to claim to know who and who isn't saved, especially when they teach salvation by grace through faith alone. I would also suggest many in the free grace/decisionism crowd think they are good and don't actually know Him.
He's at the front of that line!!!
Someone who has made a decision to believe in Christ , His death, His burial, His resurrection, would not be standing on the promise of Matthew 7:21-23. They'd be resting in the promises of John 5:24, John 3:18, John 3:36,.
Calvinism cannot explain in scripture why G-d loves some people and hates other people, how G-d chooses who to save and who to damn.
Thank you, Pastor. My daughter, husband and six children all go to a church that teaches Calvinism.. I have tried to confront my daughter and her son, but they used to
argue with me but now they say they don't believe in Calvinism, but they still go to that church.
I am not sure what is going on in their minds. My Grandson has a John Macarthur bible, and it breaks my heart.
I don't know what else to do but pray for them.
It really helps to listen to your teaching. I have tried to tell one of the pastors they're at that same church about the
verse john 3 :16 or a different verse not sure which verse but he argued with me.
I was getting counseling from him and then I told him that I know longer wanted to come to his counseling. I did not want to argue with him about Calvinism.
I got so nervous.
He left the church and went to a different church to be a senior pastor.
The kids go to youth group there and so we are always watching their kids or providing dinner for them.
Do you think we could enable them to keep going to that church?
We live a block away from the church.
Sometimes I just want to move.
Thank you, Pastor Jessie, for all your videos. They are so helpful.
“Some might have an enlightened mind, but an unregenerate spirit. People are often ‘professors’ of Christ but are not ‘possessors’ of Christ.”“Atonement covered sin. Christ took away sin!”John 1:29 is a verse from the Gospel of John, where John the Baptist sees Jesus coming toward him and declares him to be the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world1. This verse occurs on the second day of John's testimony, after Jesus had returned from the Temptation in the wilderness2. John had recognized Jesus as the Messiah at his baptism, forty days earlier2.
John 3,16-18 Who ever believes in him shall be saved who ever does not will be condemned. All are those who believe. Faith in Christ is all about believing in God and in Jesus Christ. It is all about believing. He who believes in the only Son of God will be saved. He who does not will be cast into the eternal lake of fire by God. Repentance is the first and last step to salvation. Repentance from sin yes but more than that. It is repentance from unbelief.
Agreed until you mentioned “repent from sin.” There is no changing, turning or objecting to sin that is required to be saved. Jesus paid the sin debt, so you need to “repent” - change your mind - and believe in Christ. Unbelief to belief - yes.
- Trent
❤❤❤So very very very good !!!❤❤❤
Because thinking about it, that sinners who did not receive the blood over their sin, will soon stand before Christ
and Jesus will ask them, why did you not choose Me and My sacrifice over your life? I bore also your guilt and your sins on that cross.
The way John Macarthur is preaching, is standing as a blockade before the gate of heaven and making it impossable to enter in.
Macarthur is also not preaching to the prostitutes and in the prisons.
No, no, no, he would not understand, what God is able to do there through the blood of Jesus Christ.
Thank you!!
- Trent
EXCELLENT. 😊
Truth is that Christ died for the elect that are given to Christ by the Father...... One of the parables that Christ explained that He is the Good Shepard, and he loves his sheep, and he dies for everyone....NO He dies for His sheep. Brother you are quite bold to think that Dr. MacArthur is misleading anyone, not any more then you are. I don't thing either of you are are trying to mislead anyone. I believe you both have different views on the doctrine of the elect. But we are still brothers and sisters in Chris. May the Lord bless you my friend, and give you grace.
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Yet MacArthur will maintain that "All have sinned..." means every human being.
When you talk about someone going to Hell which one are you talking about?
Ghenna
Sheol
Hades
Tartarus
Lake of fire
The grave
According to Big Mac then, ALL have sinned and come short… does that mean only the elect have sinned?
John MacArthur is a real piece of work!
Amen, 1st john 2 couldnt be in more direct contridiction to the calvinists " limited atonment" they have to just pretend that verse is not in the bible to hold to thier theory.
What’s the context of 1 John 2?
'The Devil-Driven Ministry of a Tortured Soul' determined to torment & dismantle as many other believers as he can before popping his clogs and going home to his real master - this man is doing the devil's own work!👿 Didn't CS Lewis write a book about this...hmm..title escapes me...🤔😉
MacArthur is a false prophet; Gal 1:6-8 John 12;32 KJV
How egotistical do you have to be to think "Jesus only died for our sins"
You said "All" is contextualized in John.
The "World" is also contextualized in John 3:16. Jesus is talking to a proud Jew/Pharisee. Nicodemus would have understood "world" as JEW and GENTILE. All people, nations, tribes, and tongues, not just the JEWS.
This clip from MacArthur is horrible. One of the worst attempts at proving Limited Atonement I’ve ever seen. “Poison” is a great word to describe this nonsense from JMac.
When the Bible talks about Christ dying for all, it clearly means exactly that. That's the huge problem with the limited amount doctrine. How does a person know they are one of the chosen elect? There is not that assurance that one is truly saved. But the Bible so clearly says that whoever Believes on Christ has passed from death unto life. Whoever is Whoever. It is so clear
Yesssssssss
The same assurance you have. If you believe and see the fruit of His work in you then you have assurance. How else does anyone have it? God promised us, that’s good enough for me.?
If you mortify the deeds of the body you shall live
If unbelief is a sin that sends you to hell, did Jesus' atonement not cover that sin?
You are also teaching a "limited atonement". That Jesus died to make salvation POSSIBLE, you limit the power, and a Calvinist limits the scope.
JMac in da house!!! Snap!! 🤓
Is it "degrading" to criticize someone when they are teaching a doctrine that contradicts the Bible? No...we must stand for the truth of scripture, rather than what some man says; regardless of the fact that he is a well known teacher and personality.
We often try our best to steer clear of degrading the individual. We truly see it more profitable (and easier to reach the person) if we attack the teaching, words and doctrine over the person. There are moments where these men just say nonsense, and we have called them out, but we never attack their character. We do not try anyway. We are fallible.
- Trent
I would call this willful blindness on his part, if I am being generous and not saying he is purposely lying. But...
Are you saying that every person is going to heaven? Help me out here.
exactly
As a Christian I am 100% with John MacArtur
Why couldn’t you just play the video without stopping then go back through it and break it down.
We’ve done that a couple times, but Pastor Jesse interjects where he sees fit. It’s all a one take, minus a few cuts. I try my best to engage the viewer with the editing. Thanks
- Trent
Calvinism forces anyone who believes it to be dishonest with the scriptures because they of necessity must twist the truth of scripture to fit the false doctrines of Calvinism. It is almost unbelievable that anyone can read the Bible and not know that Jesus Christ made the blood atonement to pay for the sins of every person who has ever lived and who will ever live. The one and only condition of getting His payment for our sins credited to us is to believe He did it for MY sins. I am not righteous, but sinful. The sinless and perfectly righteous one, Christ, shed His innocent blood as the Lamb of God for my sins. Trusting that is what gets me justified before God and I receive the gift of eternal life instantly and permanently. I don't know how Calvinists live with themselves. There must be some trouble with their consciences.
If you say ‘make sure you put the notification on ALL’ what does that mean? For all the content or just a few? 😂
one might say if you believe in John 3: 16 you already limited the atonement because what happens to those who don't believe? So then its no longer inclusive but exclusive to those who believe? will then, will it be safe to say that his atonement is sufficient for all but exclusive only to those who believe ?
I see what you’re saying, but it’s still making it out as though Jesus didn’t atone for the sin of the unbeliever. He did atone fully for their sin, but it isn’t applied to their account unless they believe in Him. Romans 3:22, 4:5, 1 John 2:2, John 3:18
- Trent
Yes he died for all but you must accept the offering of total forgiveness . Romans 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Salvation by grace through faith.
All meens alllll but if you say no to Christ it's not alllllll
He died for all sin, but not all sinners believe. Roman’s 3:22, 1 John 2:2
- Trent
@@BibleLine totally agree
Could you tell Esau that God loves him and Christ died for him, if God said he hated him before he was born?
The point regarding loving Jacob and hating Esau was not with regards to their salvation. God's choosing is not that of choosing who is saved and who is not saved. His choosing is with regards to who he uses for His purpose. It is dependent upon man's choices. Esau obviously chose what he chose, and he forfeited the birthright. God did not make that happen and therefore not pay for Esau's sin. All fornicators like Esau must be in hell according to that theology. David and Solomon included - we know this is not true!
- Trent
If Jesus died for everyone, why are there people in hell?
Because those people sinned and refused to accept bt faith the Good News about Jesus, they did not believe it. They hardened their own hearts when God drew them to His Son. At some point they were beyond reach and the only destinatiom for those unbelievers was hellfire
@@NikoFinnso they had unbelief in there hearts? Is unbelief a sin? And if so did Jesus die for the sin of unbelief?
Jesus died for all sin, but the payment has to be accepted. That sin is covered, but the requirement is to believe in Jesus that he did die for your sin.
The unbeliever need only believe one time to possess eternal life immediately. You are trying to account for the love of God and hell. In reality Calvinism is more egregious in that God sends people to hell in spite of any belief or unbelief. There is no true free will in Calvinism, and that “God” is a monster.
The one and true God died for ALL sin of the whole world (1 John 2:2), doesn’t want anyone to perish (2 Peter 3:9) and opens up the gift to anyone (John 3:16-18).
The reason a person goes to hell is because they NEVER believed. Notice John 3:18 - they are condemned because they “hath not believed…”
- Trent
@@keithm1689 Check out @BibleLine'd comment for that
@@BibleLine if Jesus's death is a substitutionary atonement, satisfying the wrath of the Father, did Jesus fail to satisfy the wrath of God for a person who is in hell?
Why would the only innocent and righteousness man who ever walked on the earth pay for the sins of an unbeliever who is going to pay for his own sins for eternity? Was there double payment?
Is this error being preached by others like JMac?
Yes! Paul Washer, RC Sproul, John Piper and etc…
- Trent
@BibleLine what about A Stanley?
@@BibleLine I don’t know much about Calvinist teachers. I was primarily a Wesleyan. Armenians believe that it’s not sinning but leaving the faith or renouncing faith that causes the believer to walk away from salvation, lose it.
But There’s also a teaching that you can sin away your day of grace and even if you want to get saved you can’t. Some have reformed that latter point. But try bring me under that, what a nightmare
I always thought Calvinism was more generous in that regard
I dont see where the supposed confusion is. We all can agree there is an elect people. We may not necessarily agree to the particulars of how one becomes elect but
One way its been put is the death of Jesus Christ is efficient to save all, but not all believe. That is why we share the gospel with everyone. God knows who the elect are. We do not. So he commands us to go into the world preaching the gospel that his lost sheep will hear and believe.
Limited atonement isn't an excuse not to share the gospel. Again we do not know who the elect are
You know you’re “elect” if you have believed in Jesus Christ. I KNOW I’m saved… 1 John 5:13 “that ye may know that ye have eternal life…”
This is why we share the gospel with everyone… it’s “unto all and upon all them that believe.”
The problem is JMac will extrapolate to the falsity that one can “know” they are saved by their continued good deeds….
- Trent
All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out.
- John 6:37
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.
- John 6:44
I ask on their behalf; I do not ask on behalf of the world, but of those whom You have given Me; for they are Yours;
- John 17:9
While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.
- John 17:12
Just as it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
- Romans 9:13
For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy.
- Romans 9:15-16
So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.
- Romans 9:18
The boastful shall not stand before Your eyes;
You hate all who do iniquity.
- Psalm 5:5
The LORD tests the
righteous and the wicked,
And the one who loves violence His soul hates.
He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
- John 3:36
- Psalm 11:5
For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
- Philippians 1:6
for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.
- Philippians 2:13
even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
- Ephesians 2:5
Just a few bible verses that show the work og grace on those that he chose before the foundation, in love predestine and calls to repentance.
just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,
- Ephesians 1:4-5
Great scriptures, but none make the case for limited atonement….
- Trent
@@BibleLine. It might be that you haven't heard the effective call from God to make Jesus the Lord and savior of your life, and you are still a slave of your sin of free will. Making yourself the sovereign decider of your eternal destiny instead of humbly kneeling before the thone of God saying ; No Lord not my will, but may your will be done, because my will is always to sin. Create in me a new heart o Lord.
Praying for you that you may come to the knowlege of the truth.
Scripture never says
“Effective call from God…”
“Sovereign decider of eternal destiny…”
“Kneel before the throne of God…” - to be saved.
I have believed in Jesus Christ as my Savior. He didn’t make me or choose me to believe. I freely chose to believe, and He gave me His righteousness. Romans 4:5.
- Trent
But our God is in the heavens;
He does whatever He pleases.
- Psalm 115:3
for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God’s purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls,
Romans 9:11
Yes God calls his people.
and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.
- Romans 8:30
Just as it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be! For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy.
- Romans 9:13-16
If God is not sovereign over all things then He is not God.
So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires. You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?” On the contrary, who are you, o man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this,” will it? Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use?
- Romans 9:18-21
Jesus died for his people only.
She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”
- Matthew 1:21
I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me, even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.
- John 10:14-16
Who are those that don't believe that Jesus died for His sheep only?
But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”
- John 10:26-30
I ask on their behalf; I do not ask on behalf of the world, but of those whom You have given Me; for they are Yours;
- John 17:9.
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for here
- Ephesians 5:25
To deny these truths is to make God a lier. And to leave salvation to man's will is to make Christ's sacrifice useless, because in his sinful nature can by no means come to God with a repented and contrite heart.
There is none who understands,
There is none who seeks for God;
All have turned aside, together they have become useless;
There is none who does good,
There is not even one.”
- Romans 3:11-12
What about Halloween?
John macarthur always spot on, great man of God.
@navigatoruscg8499 so is easy believeism.
@navigatoruscg8499 You're wonder thank you so much for pointing out that I misspelled. I'll use a different terminology, the gospel of come as you are and stay as you are.
@navigatoruscg8499 it seems like you are filled with an onslaught of insults, but I will answer your question, everyone can sin after their saved, that's why I John 1:9 is so important. Let me ask you this as I have asked a lot of TH-cam free grace preachers, can you be saved and hate God?
@navigatoruscg8499 Wow, you have a mean spirit!! Here's my question Can you be saved and hate God?
@navigatoruscg8499 why don't you post a TH-cam sermon on how you can hate the Lord and be saved. I thought you free grace heresy teachers believe that's the 1st of the only 2 commandments that Jesus gave was to love the lord with all your heart. That's great so you don't have to love your neighbor either right?
None seek after God. We hate God's claims on our lives. God's sovereignty must be absolute. No lm NOT calvinistic. Calvin means NOTHING to me
Yes he does have sovereignty. The fact that free will exists is the greatest display of sovereignty.
- Trent
@@BibleLine The Bible is clear that our free will is corrupted and ONLY does what the flesh chooses
I must disagree and say the John MacArthur is teaching truth. GOD loves all people and thus the reason CHRIST came, died, buried, and rose again was for all. My "Free will" does NOT have the ability to chose independent of GOD to accept or reject salvation. It is only when GOD implants the knowledge of HIMSELF and faith in my heart at regeneration that I can see and understand my sin and who GOD is. My faith (given by GOD) allows me to accept CHRIST's salvation - and only those chosen before the foundation of the world upon hearing the the gosple message will be saved. John 3:16 says GOD loved the world and gave HIS son and that is true for ALL people but only believers receive. Regeneration is a secret act of GOD in which HE imparts new spiritial life to us the believers. I alone do not have the ability to chose independent of GODs acting in my life. For before GODs acting, I enjoy my sin and chose to live in sin and desire nothing but my sin. (1 Cor 2:14, 1 Cor 4:4, Eph chapter 2) Wayne Grudem's Systematic Theology chapter 34 explains John's thought process.
Why don’t you just read what John said as opposed to reading what people think John said? - the apostle that is…
John said at a later date “he is the propitiation for our sins and not for ours (believers) only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
All sin was paid, but not all believe. People go to hell for one reason, and it isn’t because the sin never got paid… It’s because they never believed - John 3:18, 36.
- Trent
Based on quite a few dialogues/debates, my best guess is that many people so strongly oppose Calvinism because they hate the idea that they are not in control. They despise the idea that their faith was predestined. They loathe the concept that God choosing them had anything to do with them coming to Christ for salvation. Simply put, they want to think that they are fully in control of their own eternal destiny. They chose to receive Christ as Savior. And for many, they adamantly hold onto the idea that they can also choose to reject Christ as Savior after previously trusting in Him for salvation.
What Calvinism haters do not understand, or refuse to accept, is that God's absolute sovereignty does not negate the fact that we are still absolutely responsible for our actions. Yes, God elects people to salvation (Romans 8:29-30). At the same time, we must believe in Christ to be saved (John 3:16). The two are not mutually exclusive. Both are true. Everyone whom God has chosen will believe, and everyone who believes is chosen by God. Admitting that you cannot perfectly understand the mind of God is the only way to come to a biblical balance on this issue (Romans 11:33-34). Calvinists do not have a perfect understanding of how things work, but there is no denying, biblically speaking, that God is absolutely sovereign in salvation.
So what does “God is sovereign in salvation mean?”
I know that God made a sovereign decision to save those who believe. So how exactly is he not sovereign in the salvation of those who believe?
Romans 8:39 - 30 does not say what you say it does.
It says that that those he foreknew he predestined to the adoption of sons.
Nowhere in this verse does it say before the foundation of the world God elected some for salvation.
Galatians makes it clear that we were not known of God prior to being in Christ.
Gal 4: 8 - Howbeit then*, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
It says it in so many words. Now are we known of God, not prior to being in Christ.
Ephesians 2 makes it clear that we were children of wrath prior to being in Christ, and only when God raised us to life in Christ did relationship with him begin, not prior.
God predestined those in Christ to the adoption of sons. What is the adoption of sons?
Verse 23 of Romans 8 explains:
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
There it is, the adoption is the redemption of the body. Believers are predestined to the redemption of the body.
1 John 3: 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
That is what all believers in Christ are predestined to receive.
How exactly did you come up with the idea that people hate Calvinism because “they hate that they are not in control.”
In control of what?
Here is something you may not have heard before.
Many people hate Calvinism because they find it to be a blasphemous, God dishonoring doctrine, that is not supported in scripture.
They hate it because it is so blatantly contradictory, and requires a major suspension of sense making to accept it.
I personally have no delusions that I contribute to my salvation.
I do however accept that before God does the saving, I must believe. Then and only then does God save.
My believing is a totally separate act to the saving that God alone does, which is a separate action to my believing.
You may not agree with me but I hope you get it.
As a non-Calvinist, there is freedom in Christ. I CHOSE to believe the Gospel, that's salvation. It's also my choice to follow Christ or not to follow Him after salvation, that's discipleship.
God clearly chose Israel but they constantly rejected Him. Please address the video and not just rant about the haters. For the record I hate false teaching but not the teacher. Eternity is a long time to be wrong
Typical calvanist has to argue and debate everything. Christ died for ALL and gave us free will to choose him. God doesn't make junk and throw half away and only have some in heaven.
Romans 8:29-30 tells us, “For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.” Ephesians 1:5 and 11 declare, “He predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will…In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will.” Many people have a strong hostility to the doctrine of predestination. However, predestination is a biblical doctrine. The key is understanding what predestination means, biblically.
The words translated “predestined” in the Scriptures referenced above are from the Greek word proorizo, which carries the meaning of “determining beforehand,” “ordaining,” “deciding ahead of time.” So, predestination is God determining certain things to occur ahead of time. What did God determine ahead of time? According to Romans 8:29-30, God predetermined that certain individuals would be conformed to the likeness of His Son, be called, justified, and glorified. Numerous scriptures refer to believers in Christ being chosen (Matthew 24:22, 31; Mark 13:20, 27; Romans 8:33, 9:11, 11:5-7, 28; Ephesians 1:11; Colossians 3:12; 1 Thessalonians 1:4; 1 Timothy 5:21; 2 Timothy 2:10; Titus 1:1; 1 Peter 1:1-2, 2:9; 2 Peter 1:10). Predestination is the biblical doctrine that God in His sovereignty chooses certain individuals to be saved.
Predestination is an explicitly biblical doctrine. Yet the determination of predestination is not disconnected from the rest of God’s unchanging character (Malachi 3:6). It is connected to His foreknowledge (Romans 8:29, 11:2), His love (Ephesians 1:4-5), and His plan and pleasure (Ephesians 1:5). God’s desire is that all would be saved and come to repentance (1 Timothy 2:4, 2 Peter 3:9). Predestination is personal and relational, not capricious.
The most common objection to the doctrine of predestination is that it is unfair. Why would God choose certain individuals and not others? We must remember that no one deserves to be saved. We have all sinned (Romans 3:23) and are all worthy of eternal punishment (Romans 6:23). As a result, God would be perfectly just in allowing all of us to spend eternity in hell. However, God chooses to save some of us. He is not being unfair to those who are not chosen, because they are receiving what they deserve. God’s choosing to be gracious to some is not unfair to the others. No one deserves anything from God; therefore, no one can object if he does not receive anything from God. An illustration would be a man randomly handing out money to five people in a crowd of twenty. Would the fifteen people who did not receive money be upset? Probably so. Do they have a right to be upset? No, they do not. Why? Because the man did not owe anyone money. He simply decided to be gracious to some.
If God is choosing who is saved, doesn’t that undermine our free will to choose and believe in Christ? The Bible says that we have the choice-all who believe in Jesus Christ will be saved (John 3:16; Romans 10:9-10). The Bible never describes God rejecting anyone who believes in Him or turning away anyone who is seeking Him (Deuteronomy 4:29). The truths of God’s sovereign predestination and also man’s responsibility are not mutually exclusive. Somehow, in the mystery of God, predestination works hand-in-hand with a person being drawn by God (John 6:44) and believing unto salvation (Romans 1:16). God predestines who will be saved, and we must choose Christ in order to be saved. Both facts are equally true. Romans 11:33 proclaims, “Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out!”
Whos is this young man....wisdom comes with time...please go and find a spiritual mentor my boy...
Yiiiiiiiikes! Way to talk down on someone. How about you converse appropriately according to the scripture and stop respecting persons according to age? “Let no man despise thy youth….”
Age is NOT wisdom. James 1…
You support JMac? Give us scripture.
- Trent
So the Atonement wasn't actual just a potential Atonement. Your limiting the power and effectiveness of the work Christ on the cross . So if Jesus paid the sin dept to God for all than how can God hold it against anyone that would be double Jeopardy.
People are condemned because they don’t believe that Jesus did die for their sin. All sin is paid, but the payment has to be accepted. Anyone can believe this because he died for the whole world. 1 John 2:2, John 3:15-18.
- Trent
"Particular Atonement" is a more accurate term than "Limited Atonement".
The High Priest's sacrifice for "all" the people was ONLY for ALL the people of ISRAEL. Not ALL the people on earth. The doctrine of "atonement for a particular people" is consistent throughout ALL of Scripture.
There are numerous other passages where God says, through the writers, that Christ died for those "who would believe in Him". He didn't die for everyone. John 3:16 literally says in the Greek, not English but Greek, "For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son so that all THE BELIEVING ONES in Him might not perish but have life eternal". (emphasis mine"). The English translation says, "whosoever" which isn't accurate.
Also in 3:15 John wrote, "the ones who believe in Him".
In 1 John 2:2, you really need to look at the use of the word "whole" in the Greek instead of "world". It's not the same as in English. You emphasize the word "world", as does most everyone, you need to diagram the sentence in Greek and emphasize the word "whole". The use of "whole" is "olou" and means in the sense of "universality of a group". John did not use the word "pas" which means "all" or "everyone". If he did, that would mean that Jesus died for "everyone". But by using the word "whole" in the sense that he did, he is saying, "this whole group of people" in the world. Of course, you don't see that in the English.
But John is being consistent with what he wrote in his gospel, that Jesus died for those who would believe in Him.
To say that Christ's death atoned for everyone is to teach Universalism. I know you don't believe that. That's heresy.
The discussion then centers around the word "efficacious". Specifically, that Jesus died for every human ever born or to be born but His death only atones, or is only effective, for those who do not reject Him. That simply is not a teaching found in Scripture.
All throughout Scripture God has chosen a group of people to be His people. We see in the NT that He "grafted" gentiles into the group of people He chose to be His people.
The bottom line is that if Christ's death atoned for all people, then their sins are atoned for whether they reject him or not. If they are atoned for whether they reject Him or not, then they will have eternal life. That is Universalism and that is heresy.
denniscrumbley8274 Please answer this question for me that no Calvinist's has ever answered to me yet. Maybe you will be the first. How do you know that YOU are one of the so called elects? Do you know for 100 percent certainty that you will go to Heaven when you die? Not just 99 percent sure but 100 percent sure. You want to twist scripture. So let's pretend that you are correct with your interpretation of the Bible. How do YOU know you are going to Heaven? And also why do you think you are?
The reason someone goes to hell is not because their sins were not paid. They go to hell because they reject (don’t believe) the payment that was made.
Universalism is not the belief that all sin is paid and all go to heaven because of that. Universalism is that all go to heaven regardless of anything…. They take away belief, unbelief, the whole nine. Muslims, Mormons and Mankind alike go to heaven in their view. That’s fallacious to apply that view to us.
Rather, 1 John 2:2 and John 3:18 is what we clearly believe.
- Trent
@@magicalmike3629I also will not answer your question because of your disrespect, not because I cannot biblically. I'll not dignify your question with a response. I do not "want to twist Scripture" and I do not "pretend". If you were mature and wanted to have a true discussion of differing views, I would discuss with you. But I have no interest or time for someone who just wants to argue and belittle others. I have debated and discussed differing views with numerous people for 35 years and have taught seminary and have been respectful to all with whom I disagree. Discussing God's Word is serious and deserves respect and reverence.
Okay Dennis. You call “He didn’t die for everyone” respectful? It’s very much respectful I suppose. It’s God respecting persons.
Getting offended in a comment section on TH-cam… wow. You’re preaching the nonsense that Jesus only died for certain goodie two shoes people. You can’t look at a kid and honestly say “God loves you.” You redefine words to fit a TULIP doctrine made by the traditions of men to clap back at Catholicism.
“He didn’t die for everyone.” That should make you scared, right? You don’t know he died for you. Do you know he loves you? Do you have enough works to fit the JMac standard? 35 years, and you still can’t determine if God loves the whole world or only a percentage. What a monstrous God that would be….
- Trent
@@denniscrumbley8274 For someone not wanting to waste his time with me, that was a long response. If you know the truth, you would be more than willing to share it with us. Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. You don't want to share the Gospel with us because you felt you got disrespected??? The fact that you don't is because you do not have an answer to my question. You are just like all the other Calvinists who can't answer this simple question. So please don't pretend you have an answer when you don't. Saying to someone you don't want to dignify a question with a response because of disrespect is the biggest cop out I have ever read.
Read further for context. You are mistaken....Do not be among the false prophets. John Macartuhur unfortunately is a false prophet as well, holding to dispensational, premillenialist views which is another gospel, another Jesus...
Read what further? Jesus died for all sin, and those who believe in Him receive the gift of eternal life. This is clear in the entire passage of John 3.
- Trent
You call yourself a pastor!! How exactly are you adding to the body of Christ? How are you bringing unity?
You need to go read Romans 16 !!!
There are many teachers out there who I don’t agree with some of their theological stances, but I don’t go around bashing them.. I PRAY FOR THEM, just like I pray for you. 🙏🏼
The world is already trying to tear down the Church, we don’t need so called believers, especially those taking on the title of teacher (pastor) to also do this.
What’s to say that your understanding of scripture is better than mine or anyone else?? The same Holy Spirit that dwells in men like John McArthur (and not JMac as you so easily disrespected him) dwells in me and you.
And no, I’m not a follower of brother McArthur; I’ve listened to maybe 10 of his messages.
We didn’t “bash” MacArthur. We picked apart his false words in the message.
He does this about “easy-believism” and the like.
We do pray for him. I wish someone could get us his cell number haha! We would chat.
The problem is that he preaches a false message.
All can believe in Christ as their Savior, but not all do. John 3:15-18
- Trent
You've been a pastor for 2 years and are picking at a faithful man of God, without listening to the entire sermon, you listened to about 2 minutes of an hour long sermon and call John a false preacher. atheists do this same thing without listening and understanding.
For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that who so ever believes in him will have everlasting life.
Your missing the last point ( who so ever believes in him will not perish but have everlasting life.
Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Notice in Matthew 7:21-23 (the verses that you quote) that these people are pleading their case. Look at what we have done. We have done this and that. They didn't believe on Christ. They didn't believe that his death on the cross paid for all their sins in full. They were counting on what THEY did. Not Christ. Mcarthur has not trusted in the full payment for sin that Christ already accomplished 2000 years ago. He is a heretic. Believing on Christ is believing he paid it already. Only the ones who do the will of the Father will go to Heaven. What is the will of the Father?? John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. He is making himself his own savior by working for it. So he hasn't done the will of the Father.
@@magicalmike3629 Amen
@@magicalmike3629 Amen !
Our brother Mike put it right. Just wanting to add on about the age thing… Really? 1 Tim. 4:12. Who cares how old, long you’ve been a pastor or what degrees you hold; the word of God is sufficient.
- Trent
@@BibleLine Amen Trent. And also want to add one more thing. According to bradmccoy, we shouldn't listen to any preacher that has only been preaching for 2 years. I wonder at what point can we start to listen to them.
There's at least 8 different meanings if the wor WORLD in the book of John alone.... guess you don't believe in predestination either..... why would Gid pour out his wrath in his own sin for the suns of people the God knew would never believe in him , because they were not hosen?
That’s a fallacious plea. “Why would God…?”
No, it should be: “According to scriptures such as John 3:16, it is clear that God DOES love the world. It is also clear that He sent his Son to die for the sins of the world.” John 3:18 makes it clear that those who go to hell are those who choose not to believe.
The plea falls back at you. WHY would God create some who he forces to not believe? Yea a man may say “No… He doesn’t force people into unbelief… You just don’t understand…”
Yeah, great answer for the kids I suppose. Rather we could look at the kids and tell them God actually does love them.. 1 John 2:1-2, John 3:15-18.
- Trent
Jesus is a tale like Pinocchio
Read John 10 Jesus died for the Sheep not the goats. Jesus said I came to save the lost Sheep not the lost Goats. Sheep are always Sheep and goats are always goats. 2 Tim 2:10 therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect that they also May obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
Which one are you and how do you know for sure???
Yes, in John 10 Jesus is talking about his sheep. The non-sheep do not receive the promise of eternal security as mentioned later in verses 28-30.
The passage is not concerned with the opposite regarding a Calvinistic TULIP push of limited atonement. Prooftexting nonsense.
In 2 Tim 2:10, Paul is referring to himself enduring… this is literally nothing to do with salvation. You are prooftexting again.
Salvation is unto and upon all them that believe - Roman’s 3:22.
It is clear that God loves the whole world - John 3:16. You can’t escape this truth. TULIP enforcing lies and deceit.
- Trent
The Bible is only a story like Don Quixote de la Mancha 😅😂😅😂
Why do you say this? I am willing to talk!!
- Trent