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"They're trying to divert you" | Pastor Reacts to Once Saved Always Saved | A Documentary Film 02
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 พ.ค. 2024
- Pastor Jesse begins a 5 part series in reaction to the "Once Saved Always Saved | A Documentary Film." This reaction is in response to the error that these men promote. In no way, shape or form are we desiring to degrade these individuals. We pray for each of these men that they come to the knowledge of the truth of salvation.
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I can't help but instantly get angry when I hear them. I pray that they will turn from this wickedness and believe the Gospel.
We have to remember, they're misunderstanding scripture, and have become deceived. In a way, they're victims, but then they're victimizing others with a false gospel of works salvation. For instance, Ray Comfort preaches works-salvation, but it's likely because he misunderstood the meaning of "repentance" to be saved, and his belief system has cemented as he's aged. It's with good intentions, but false gospel still exists, and is harmful.
Me too Elizabeth, it makes me mad, but I do hope they come to the knowledge of the Truth, which is Jesus and His perfect sacrifice for our Salvation.
Thank You Lord Jesus.
Amen.
They're warning people to be faithful to God. That makes you angry? You may want to ask God to help you understand why this evokes anger in you
@@FollowingJesus129 they're warning people to work for salvation and yes, that makes me very angry.
People who believe you can lose your salvation DO NOT believe that ALL of their sins were paid for and forgiven. They are doing good works to pay for their sins. 💯
Did you know the Bible commands us to literally be careful & diligent to maintain good works so that we can be acceptable to God & walk worthy of our calling? Yes, to be acceptable & worthy!
@@roseannemaye9263wrong
@@roseannemaye9263 That’s for Christian growth and discipleship. NOT for salvation.
@@roseannemaye9263 Luke 3:3 KJV
[3] And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;
Vs8 says' bring forth fruits worthy of repentance' to the pharisees.
Repentance is changing your mind and trusting on the atonement for right standing with God. We are found righteous by being baptized in the blood of Christ.
Now if a saved person wants to be a workman studying to show him self APPROVED unto God 2 Tim 2:15 WORTHY of his calling 2 Thess 1:11, the holy spirit can then produce fruit and that man can be a living sacrifice to God for use in the great commission.
He will have reward but his toiling never earned the blood of Christ
Galatians 2:16.
Only perfection enters into that holy city.
Isaiah 64:6 ... all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags;...
Do you sin? We all do. Even Christians. If you trust in your ability to never sin you will never make it, your works will never be perfect enough. Especially if you're doing it to earn right standing, that's the wrong motivation.
1 Corinthians 3:1, 11-17
[1] And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ...
[11] For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. [12] Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; [13] every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. [14] If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. [15] If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be SAVED; yet so as by fire. [16] Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? [17] If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy(IN THIS LIFE GOD CORRECTS THOSE HE LOVES); for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
You have to read all of scripture and it interprets itself. If you lose the promise of salvation then God is a liar. And we know that he is not!
Amen 🙏
These passages(particularly Hebrews 4) used to haunt me because of those teachings. But thank God I now understand. With that said, I am constantly attacked by love one’s & friends for standing on the principle of Eternal Salvation in Christ Alone forever. So thank you for this video and God bless.
Marvel not Brother if the World hates you, it hated Jesus First.
Matthew 10:34-40
King James Version
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
Thanks Jessie... keep preaching against their false gospel... kingdom is blessed to have you
I've studied this belief system for the last year, and some of us came up with a term for their belief system. We call it "Loss of Salvation Theology" (LOST). This LOST belief is dividing the church today even more than Calvinism. The problems with LOST:
1. LOST imposes a philosophical lens on top of scripture. It says that if you can believe and be saved, you can un-believe and be un-saved. This is simply a negative inference fallacy, because the opposite is not always true.
2. The LOST view engenders a doctrine of continued faithfulness to maintain salvation (ie. works, but called "continued faith"). It's no different than the Calvinist "Perseverance of the Saints," which is works-salvation. They just replace the 'works' with "faithfulness," but it's still works. This makes LOST 1 point Calvinism.
3. LOST implies that Jesus did not die for all our sins, or His sacrifice was insufficient to save.
4. LOST implies belief/faith itself has saving power (they call it "saving faith"), which it doesn't. Belief itself doesn't save; God's grace via Jesus Christ saves us. Belief is just the means through which we are saved.
5. LOST ignores scripture. This is the big problem here. Scripture tells us we are saved, have eternal life, are sealed, are co-heirs with Christ, that no one can snatch us from God's hand, and that God will never forsake us. Also, we're children of God.
Like Calvinism, LOST is not Christian. It's a false gospel of works-salvation, so please warn others against this LOST. Many anti-Calvinists and newer Christians fall into LOST, so please remind them they have eternal life and are saved eternally once they believed.
Wow, that’s a great explanation and categorization. I’ll share this with Jesse 🤣
- Trent
That was a great read 👍
Well done presented clear even I got the meaning without getting mixed up
God bless you sir
@@BibleLine Sure thing, and thanks. My wife and I spent the last year studying both their theology and behavioral traits (they can be incredibly horrible), and a lot of what we do now is help believers avoid being deceived by LOST. There's a lot of people who are new Christians or just got out of Calvinism who can fall right into this LOST deception.
@@jedimasterham2really loved reading what you typed there, but I'm confused on something... You said that belief doesn't save us? You said that up in the beginning I forget if it was number one or number two but anyway can you explain what you meant by that? I think you said that belief/faith doesn't have the power to save, I know that Christ is the reason but without belief you cannot be saved and if you do believe you are saved so I'm just trying to understand😊
Excellent points made.
Always awesome to learn from a real christian❤
God. bless thia channel. You are amazing preacher.
Amen, Pastor Jesse and Trent!
Y'all are exceptional teacher's of the one true Gospel of Jesus Christ!🙏🏻
Thank you for rightly dividing the word of God so that people can have peace around their salvation again. I’m sick and tired of these false teachers spreading wrong information because they’re not rightly dividing. It’s so frustrating. And they will have to answer to God for all the children of God they confused.
Thank you for letting me use your platform to give your viewers scriptures.
May the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ continue to bless you and your family.
Fantastic video Pastor Jesse. I need to go back and watch the first part. Many people confuse God's favor with salvation. Thanks for the content.
Ever notice that these pastors always talk of other people losing their salvation but they are somehow exempt? Religious pride.
😂yes I wondered what they think about their own souls.They ought to be terrified!!!😮
Im certain Joe doesnt believe he is exempt. Thats slander
@@Jesusisnumberone5740how does he sleep at night then?
Ever notice the ones who teach that salvation can be lost? They teach from hate & pride.
@@Wukles by abiding in Christ. I would say go read Sauls story in 1st samuel. Or ezekiel. Im not coming at you with pride but trying to share some verses to show we cant go live however we feel like and expect to be saved. The parable of the servant that was forgiven is a good example. He was forgiven, he didnt forgive, and the forgiveness he was given was taken away.
Romans 11:16-25 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Hebrews 12:2-11 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
Between these strange doctrines, prosperity gospel, Hebrew Roots, and Calvinism I don't know how any Evangelical can find the truth on the internet.
Sound doctrine channels are few and far between, for sure! I encourage prayer, asking the Lord for discernment and to guide us to them. He will!
When debating someone against eternal security, try this argument.... Can we agree that God knows what happens in the future ? If so, he'd know if when you die you're saved or not. So, do you stop being one of his children periodically if you can lose salvation ? Can I sin my way out of it today, gain it back tomorrow, then lose it next week ? The argument against eternal security makes no sense......
Amen so true
@@Billy-Brown Amen brother !!!!
Really good points.
@johnconstantine2754 thanks, I think so, too. The opponents of eternal security think you have to keep being born again......
QUESTIONS for those who believe one who is saved can stop being saved:
1) what must that christian do or not do to stop being saved?
2) is not that doing or not doing a sin?
3) if not, why?
4) if a sin, why is that sin not covered by the blood of Christ ?
Ephesians 2:8-9
King James Version
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
The use of the word "faith" is key in receiving the grace that leads to salvation. Without it, there is no hope for redemption.
Amen brother ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED
1 John 5:13 KJV ❤✝️🙏🏼
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. (Jesus Christ).
Everyone is a sinner since the beginning.
Although avoiding sin will improve our spiritual walk with God and here on Earth, there are No repenting of sins, no false teachings like work for your own salvation, no false signs needed to know Jesus Christ has shed His blood for all and offers the gift of eternal life to anyone who believes on him. Know you are going to Heaven today by simply believing and trusting Jesus Christ, its as simple as drinking water. ❤ He is the propitiation for the sins of the world and no other, the Gospel = Good News ❤
Thank you so much for the work you are doing to spread the truth ❤️🙏
salvation is a gift of God the gifts of God are irrevocable if you could lose the gift of salvation God would be a liar
The only scriptures these people don't twist are the ones they never mention.
Thank you so much dear Pastor Jesse. I learn so much & get established what I believe already. ❤️🙏❤️💯✨️ God's richest blessings.
"Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed." ~John 8:36 These guys are pretty much calling Jesus a liar if they think we can lose our salvation! I've listened to Good Fight Ministry for a while, but not as often after I started hearing more of Joe Schimmel's false teachings on this very important subject. The first time I heard him talking about it, I had to play it back through to make sure I heard him correctly, because I was shocked he took this stance on it. It's literally cult-like theology!
Ive been studying this exact subject for years and thank God, Jesus gave me and others understanding, and I am 100% fully persuaded, in One Saved Always Saved. Once a believer really gets that down-pat, a lot of other mysteries of the Bible are unlocked. Because your faith soars. And you must approach Jesus with faith, and the word of God with Faith. Jesus Christ is in every page of the word because Jesus is the Word. You begin to see Jesus Christ, and the gospel, everywhere in the bible.....it is the key....Once Saved Always Saved....Hallelujah
These guys believe the brethern can come back undercondemnation if you can loose ur salvation that means youd have to come back under condemnation
Exactly there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus! My favorite verse!
I actually was raised in a pentecostal Arminian church and I cried every Sunday knowing I was never good enough. I knew something was off. Glad I left and now I have peace in Christ!
I now grieve over my sin in a more healthy way, knowing his spirit guides me helps me to deny the flesh way better than under false teaching.
Life is terribly hard at least it is for me, so my question at the time was why did pastors heap even more burden on the congregation when they are already at the breaking point... I knew It didn't make sense. I broke down overwhelmed and almost was done with going to any church for the hypocrisy that I saw and my poverty was what made me resent it more. It probably was Satan's tactics to make me dislike the church in general.
God knew why I went through it all to make me see I depend solely on Jesus for salvation. And I should have the same grace towards others like me now that I AM SAVED!
@@jameswilson9361 Everytime someone tells me salvation can be lost I tell um stop putting brethren under condemnation an its literally one the most powerful verses we have to our defense it shuts up alot or they deflect right from me after I tell um couple times
They are doing nothing but gaslighting. It's spiritual abuse.
They all say the same thing "The first verse says the Jews were cut off corporately, and the next verse says you personally will be cut off too."
Wat?
Another great video brother. Clear and thorough. Also the editor is very talented. God bless everyone over there. Keep it up. ❤️
John 3:36 - “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” it doesnt say he that believeith on the Son hath temporary life based on performance. I just look at John 3:36 when I run into any scripture that sounds hard to understand.
That second 'believe' is a Greek word meaning to obey. The Bible says the Holy Spirit is given to those who OBEY God. It also says Jesus is the author of salvation to those who OBEY. The Bible says we are justified by faith & works BOTH. The Bible it's not faith alone that is a saving faith. Faith without works is a dead faith, the faith of devils.
@@roseannemaye9263so what works do you have to do to be saved? The works you do? Or the works that a priest does ? Are you doing enough works? You should write out a list of works you have to do to earn salvation! You seem to know , so enlighten the rest of us oh holy one of God! Thanks much appreciated
@@roseannemaye9263John 6: 28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
@@roseannemaye9263Romans 10:16-18
King James Version
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
@@roseannemaye9263Ephesians 2:8-9
New International Version
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
An eye opening understanding that I got from watching Yankee Arnold was when he explained that not every time the terms salvation, saved, saving is used in scripture always refers to the soul and its eternal destiny. And differentiating justification ( salvation) from discipleship.
That cleared up so much confusion for me even though I knew that we are saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone and that salvation cannot be lost ever.
It is so very sad how the plain gospel of grace has been hijacked and twisted leaving many unsure of their salvation or undo, maybe not even have salvation at all.
I can’t thank this channel enough and people like Yankee and Tom Cucuzza for their commitment and continual videos on the biblical gospel message as they try to teach people who are either caught up in the misrepresentation of it and those that are lost and need the truth before they hear the lies.
What I hear a lot in those that teach loss of salvation regarding John 10:28 is , “ well you can jump out of God’s hand “ which totally negates that he marks us as his, gives us the Holy Spirit and is faithful to the end when we at one point placed our trust in him for his free gift.
And in I Corinthians 6:9-11 they misuse that as a litmus test to prove one is saved if they don’t do those sins any more or say if you do those you weren’t really saved because you didn’t change .
They fail to understand that this passage is referring to our identity and how after we have believed in Christ , we are not identified as those things but used to be. We are now a new creation BUT STILL HAVE THAT OLD FLESH NATURE.
I am so grateful to the good Lord for leading me to these channels In approximately 2020 so I can live in a security in Christ like I’d never known even though at that point I’d been born again for 39 years.
The primary issue is these new translations. They make it much more difficult if not impossible to determine what the correct doctrine is. Great video yet again brotha
Love your teaching! Always good stuff!
1st Timothy Chp 4 vs 1, end of discussion.
Free Grace, and free will.
Thank you brother. Struggle sometimes with certain verses. This helps a lot. God bless
If you are in Christ you are secure!
Jesse, I really appreciate your ministry. I can count on one hand the people I know that believe in once saved always saved no matter what! And yes, I’m only referring to spirit filled believers. John3:3 (followers of Christ) can I make it any clearer? I think one reason many people don’t believe in eternal security. They don’t understand what’s going to happen at the judgment seat of Christ. God‘s not running a great commune in the sky. We are going to give an account for what we did with our time here on planet Earth.
Anticipating taking Roman's class soon with FBC! Great debate! God bless and thank Jesse for keeping proper Hermenuetics! Context is king!
Double blessed!. Saved by God's grace and Puerto Rican! 😃
If we can lose the FINISHED work Jesus accomplished and imputed it to us as righteousness ---- that's an INSULT to HIS FINISHED work.
We ARE ALL lost NOW if these angels of light ARE correct
The question I have for these people about 1 Corinthians 9 is do they think eternal life is a reward? In verse 17 and 18 Paul talks about preaching the Gospel to receive a reward, verse 19-23 he explains what he’s doing to receive this reward, verse 24-27 he gives a analogy of running a race to receive a “prize” and how if he doesn’t continue to run this race he won’t get his “prize” he’ll be disqualified from receiving a “prize/reward”. I emphasize prize and reward because Romans 5:11,15-18 and Romans 6:23 to name a few say that eternal life/justification/righteousness/atonement are free gifts so if there free gifts then how can they be a reward or prize?
I have always understood the branches as being fruit bearing, from works. And we cut ourselves off from bearing fruit or walking in the works He has for us, when we choose to separate ourselves by indulging in flesh-fulness/worldliness/sin. Even as someone who once feared losing salvation, reading this passage any other way made no sense, since it states a person can be grafted back in. I never thought anyone could jump in and out of salvation, but I use to think that a person could walk away, but that’s not Good News. The Good News is all we need to do is believe, because it’s all we can do and it’s the revelation of this Good News that draws us to believe! I was saved when I was four and struggled harshly with false teachings throughout my 46 years. It’s truly amazing how the joy and peace of the Good News takes away desires to sin.
This is an outstanding video that easily refutes the dangerous doctrines in the documentary film. It’s staggering how out of context they are! Just simple cherry picking without considering whole paragraphs with preceding and following verses.
They say the we willfully sin and it can lead to destruction. Is it wilfully sinning to deny the Gospel? They believe they are right and we who put our trust in Jesus are condemned. There is no Condemnation in Christ!
Nice breakdown!!!
Its a hard documentary to get through with so much heresy but thankful these responses came out. Hebrews is a really encouraging book unless you believe what these guys are saying.
We have a role and responsibility in our relationship - salvation with Jesus and that is to receive (Matthew 10:40) and remain (John 15:4) in Jesus.
To receive a gift is not works.
To remain with someone is the definition of a relationship.
So much pride.
Jesus told the thief on the cross he'd be with him in heaven.
Now if between the time Jesus told him that and the time the thief died the thief lost his salvation and ended up in hell that would have made Jesus a liar, either that or it would have meant Jesus didn't know what he was talking about.
When we are born again we are assured by the holy spirit that we have eternal life.
If between the time the Holy Spirit assured us that we were saved and the time that we died we lost our salvation that would have made God himself a liar
Great explanation of Romans 9 - 11
I think it’s pretty simple. In my opinion, most people that believe you can lose your salvation. Believe this because they don’t have the assurance of the Holy Spirit living within them. John3:3 Which means their lost, and on their way to hell. The rest of them are on their way to heaven. They’re just believing a lie.
Acts 2 vs 41. Over three thousand souls saved.
Pastor Joe has great work which exposes the occult in music, too bad he misses the grace message.
If you don't believe in once saved always saved you're not saved because you are not believing in a savior and counting on his blood his life his death his burial his resurrection his everything, you are counting on yourself
Love u bro it's in their doctrine if u believe LOST U ARE LOST 😢
No offense to them by the way, I want to point out that nobody is saved unless they first trust in the true gospel, if you believe that a certain sin can make you unsaved, then you don't believe that Jesus died for ALL of your sins, the gospel is how that Jesus died for ALL of our sins, the sin of apostasy, every sin, this full payment is payed by a single moment of belief in that!
I would like to comment that a Christian can Never become a Reprobate or Demon Possessed because we have believed on the Lord Jesus and the New man Lives inside us, so no demons can Enter. Occupied Body. Also, only Unsaved, Rejecters of the Gospel can become Reprobates because they NEVER believed.
Read my comment above please...I love your moniker that the blood is 100%sufficient,however many many people are genuinely saved by a minimal conversion ideation,ie.even they did not grasp at that point of repentance that all sins were covered by the blood.Otherwise how could an atheist get saved on his deathbed repentance...the Gospel covers us all even if we didn't fully comprehend how many sins were paid for...you assume that Christians living under the false guilt induced by legalistic churches always think some of his sins were not paid for,as obviously his doubt,even if they indeed were covered by the blood!
@@robertofunk673 I see you liked your own comment haha.
Anyways, no offense, but this is false.
The Bible describes the way into heaven as NARROW and FEW there be that finds it.
You don't have to comprehend the entire depth of the gospel, such as the word justification, propitiation, sanctification, etc.
But there are essentials to what you must believe in.
It's actually not hard to comprehend that Jesus died for your sins and actually with your atheist example, I would say it's probably way easier to get an atheist who's never heard the gospel before to trust that Jesus died for ALL sins.
Why?
Because when someone hears for the first time that Jesus died for every sin and no works are added to the gospel, naturally they can easily believe that their payment is paid in full by the blood and naturally believe in eternal security, after all, who can become unsaved if their payment is paid in full?
It's the religious wolves in sheep's clothing that cause confusion, who say that Jesus died for every sin "BUT" you must do X Y and Z, if you believe you have to do something to help Jesus with his sacrifice, you therefore do not trust in his sacrifice for your sins as sufficient.
If a child of deception teaches that you can become unsaved by sinning, it doesn't matter what they claim to believe, they do not trust in the finished redemptive work of Jesus Christ to have paid for all sins.
The way is narrow because people don't trust in the eternal security God promises, they think Jesus sacrifice needs their own meritorious help.
Sorry, but they aren't saved, Lord haven't we done all these mighty works?
Jesus will say "depart from me"
Believers of conditional security believe that their works are indeed required, their beliefs are in their many wonderful works, not solely on the finished redemptive work of Jesus Christ.
@robertofunk673 The Blood of Christ isn't enough to Save if you don't acknowledge the Death, Burial and Resurrection. The Gospel is a Package deal, and to be Saved, Someone has to believe the Whole message.
I want some TH-cam shorts of Trent's reaction when you do react videos 🤣
If you wrestle against sin that is the character of someone born again, if you practice sin, meaning you are practicing to get better at sinning, you are not born again. Jesus tells us the heart condition of false partial believers in the parable of the sower, the root is the offense at suffering for Jesus & or the love of the current world.
If we had anything to do with our salvation, we would definitely lose it. But, 👈👈salvation is not set up that way.
If you don't believe once saved always saved...I truly believe that these people are true narcissists. .who seem to think that they are secured for heaven...but the rest of us are not....pride....ego...has gone to their heads...and I can't be convinced otherwise...
Narcissists my ass. They simply have a more mature mind than you and have better critical thinking skills than you do. Keep searching,
@@VincentDavito Afraid not child. I speaketh the truth.
I am miles ahead of you grasshopper.
@@VincentDavito Afraid not my shallow minded friend.
@@Bob.55 keep on trying to convince yourself. No one else is buying it, well, your buddy Enrique Moure.
Hebrews 6:6 refers to those who have "fallen away" from their faith, and Hebrews 10:27 says they should expect "a fearful expectation of judgment". It says that a hard heart towards God's teachings, without repentance, can lead to a slow death of faith. I believe if a person just carefully reads the book of Hebrews, with as few preconceptions as possible, they will conclude a person can turn from Christ, become a non-believer, and forfeit salvation. Other New Testament books also teach this sobering truth.
(2 Peter 2:20-22) If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.”
Sir, they don't rightly divide scriptures. Even though we can learn from ALL scripture, NOT ALL scripture is to us. When Jesus was on the earth HE came to HIS OWN the Jews. He told them NOT to go into the way of the gentiles. It wasn't time for the dispensation of grace in Paul's gospel to the gentiles. God has HIS plans and timetables and counsels. Amen
Hello Jesse and Trent, do you know about Provisionism? I found out it's one of the doctrines of salvation, it looks like Free Grace, what's the main difference between them?
How do those anti OSAS pastors reconcile John 6:37 with what they’re saying?
…….and him that cometh to me I will IN NO WISE cast out.
Because they have lie about it. I posted to a guy on HisChannel103 and asked how do you argue that? He still came back with verses and basically said Jesus is a liar, he was right.
The true born again believer endures.
We certainly pray and desire that all believers endure, but the old flesh nature often gets in the way. Praise God our salvation is in Jesus Christ and not in our endurance!
- Trent
I think I can answer my second question. It was because the Bible says mark their names are not written doesn’t make any sense. I’m a true believer. I would literally lose my salvation.
You cannot lose something that is not yours.
Anyone who is saved and willingly returns to the world, that individual is not saved . 2nd Peter Chp 2, 20-22.
IN CHRIST, it’s impossible to “return to the world”. It’s not talking about our flesh, what it does or does not do.
Being either baptized into Christ or in the world (unsaved) is a Spiritual position. Nothing to do with our actions in this mortal flesh.
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In my opinion you are not discerning the scriptures correctly. So what you are implying is that once you are saved you can just go on sinning with no consequences?
@@marshallgiles6255 It is you who is NOT discerning the scriptures.
Who is Peter speaking about in 2 Peter 2? The entire subject does not change.
@@VincentDavito
2nd Timothy Chp 3 vs 16.
@@marshallgiles6255 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
if you think you can sin and there no consequences then you do not read your Bible. Rewards are lost & won, NOT salvation.
And my other question which pertains to this subject matter what if I am already saved because I have believed the gospel, what if I happen to be alive in the great tribulation and took the mark of the beast would I lose salvation?
That’s one way we know the rapture/resurrection of the Body of Christ will be pre-Tribulation ~~ We have been given everlasting life and SHALL NEVER perish. So, we cannot be put into a situation where we may do something that damns ALL who do it.
37:56 - who’s taking a laissez faire attitude toward sin if it isn’t to one who thinks any level of sin is acceptable when attempting to earn your way into Heaven?
in Hebrews 6:4, I believe when it begins saying it is impossible i believe he is saying that the whole situation described afterward is impossible. That if hypothetically, you could lose your salvation you wouldnt be able to get it back, if that were true. In the view of the men in the documentary, It would have to mean, that backsliders cant return to the Lord either. And most of them dont believe that. They believe backsliding is loss of salvation but that they can return. Most that I know at least believe that. I believe a christian can backslide but I dont think that equals loss of salvation. The Lord will discipline you and if He doesnt take you home He will eventually bring you back(see Isaiah 57:14-19)...
Also in context the writer of hebrews is trying to let christians know that they need to essentially graduate from the elementary principles of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God aka Salvation. As many christians often, especially as brand new converts have a tendency to believe that every time we sin we can believe we need to repent and get saved again. There does come a point that we need to grow and get rid of that mindset, move forward, and then plainly lets us know in verse 4 that losing your salvation is impossible.
This video is incoherent. Why would Paul warn about losing a crown if that person is already saved and heading to eternal life. How does a crown compare to eternal life?
Also, when you mentioned about your works being burned up, the “context” of that entire passage is about witnessing to lost souls by planting and watering the seed. That seed will either produce gold or silver or hay or stubble. Meaning, some people that you witness to will be proven to be gold and/or silver and will abide in Christ all the way to eternal life and others (hay and/or stubble) will be burned up and will not abide. YET, you yourself will be saved being tried by fire yourself. It’s not talking about your individual deeds. “Work” in that passage is referring to souls.
You earn rewards mentioned in the NT. Salvation is not a reward.
Pastor Hebrews 6:4-6 is not a clear salvation verse like what we get throughout the Bible when it comes to salvation. The Bible is clear with salvation verses, enlighten is not synonymous with saved or eternal. It’s safe to say that these sort of people are not saved and I believe the reprobate doctrine is important to fill in who these people are that this verse is talking about, it’s like the final step before God gives them over to a reprobate mind. Additionally, these so called pastors are using this verse to say you can lose your salvation but they all believe you can get it back but this verse debunks that belief because it clearly says they can’t get it back. 😂
If you are not offended by trib for Jesus & you throw off the cares of this world then you are a full believer. We are known by the goodness of our fruit...we give off love kindness joy gentleness goodness self control peace patience....false converts will give you a gross disgusting feeling inside and they have bad doctrine
Have a real question if you see this says there is now no condemnation then why does I heard someone say I think it was the apostle which the preacher will have the greater condemnation
27:34
He was using the interpretation of corporate election and applying that to an unbeliever of that corporate group, because he thinks that the "they" is talking to believers because of the "faith" in the other verse. So then he sets up an unfair straw man of the passage, saying that an unbeliever would not just be "cut off" because it says that the "they" had "faith."
The "they" is talking about corporate Israel, period. This has sub groups of believers and unbelievers. The sub groups are irrelevant. Therefore, the corporate group of Gentiles can also be cut off.
Also, when read entirely and properly, the passage rightfully opposes supersessionism (i.e. the reformer doctrine that God replaced Israel with the Church) because there were gentile BELIEVERS who thought that they were "better" than ethnic Israel because of God's revelation being spread to the Gentiles, i.e. the rest of the world. Its all about how God chooses to reveal Himself through people groups, and has nothing to do with eternal salvation.
Great video!
I do wonder if the people who are teaching incorrectly are doing it knowingly or because they are themselves deceived and thereby deceiving others?
Hey Blu, great ice cream 😃😃😄😄😉😉😉😉😉😉🍦🍦🍦🍦🍦🍦
@@VincentDavito
🤣🤣🤣 apparently. I wouldn't know.
I live in Australia. 😆
@@TheBlubunni 😮😮😦😦😯😯🥴🥴My bad, but it is some of the best in the world. I have been to Perth. Very clean and beautiful. But that was way back when.
@@VincentDavito so I've heard, I have friends in America and they told me about the blue bunny ice cream 🍦 apparently it is good.
Oh wow, how cool, Perth is on the other side of the country from where I live. I have heard Perth is beautiful.
Have a great night.
God bless.
@@TheBlubunni God Bless you Blu and your family, see ya in Heaven.😁😁
We just accept the fact, not all Protestants shared the same interpretation/views.
Not too many other than Baptists believe in OSAS. Baptists were never in the Catholic religion. That means they were never Protestant.
@@VincentDavito Doesn't matter because Christianity is straight up a blood cult. A cult of human sacrifice. Wake up child.
Let check John 6, verse 53-58 n our saviour’ last supper He called the disciples to partake. Flesh n blood of Christ to sustain our walk of righteousness from partaking Christ flesh n blood over n over again to make us in Him n Christ- father in us. HolySpirit in control mortifying deed of flesh n renewing our soul- mind given our Spirit hid in Christ in God safely at right hand if our Father in Christ. Hope this is helpful from Our HolySpirit inspiring me to share
so, I did get interrupted in watching this video, so perhaps i missed something. But to me, some of your replies have sounded like you can in fact apostatize, which people translate to "lose salvation." I personally think, in most cases, its a matter of a person being stupid and doing a prodigal son exploration of alternatives, or simply finding themselves in a spiritual valley, in which we will be welcomed back when we come to our senses. And those who dont come to their senses, probably were never saved. Will God take away our salvation cause of our ignorance? I dont think so.
So can we clarify your position so far? I believe the current options are... a lost of rewards, loss of salvation, or it doesnt matter what you do, you are still saved?
I've been exploring this topic for a while as I don't believe one can lose their salvation if they actually choose Jesus, and not just the idea of Jesus. But a lot more people disagree with that view than agree. And I'm still on the fence and I probably need to figure out how to use my LOGOS software effectively to study this more in depth than cherry picking various verses.
I have a genuine question that has come up as I am listening to them talk. Are they truly saved since they are not believing they are saved by grace through faith? Is this an essential doctrine where they are missing the mark or are they still saved and Jesus will just deal with that aspect when they come before him? Or will it be more of a “depart,I never knew you” type of thing since they are getting it so wrong? I hope that makes sense bc this is something I’m honestly wondering.
I’m a pretty new Christian of almost 6 months.
@@Ginabritt7
The panel of pastors and theologians didn't even speak to verses that support what it takes for one to be saved. So it's a fine line of not knowing if they believe whether their salvation was obtained through grace alone, faith alone, Christ alone. One must believe in Jesus and His redemptive finished work at the cross but none spoke to how one obtains salvation just how one can lose it.
Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. John 5:24
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:16-18
There are many that claim to believe in the Gospel but they either frontload it with their own works for salvation and/or they add works to preserve their salvation. Either Christ paid 100% of our death penalty or they believe Christ died 90% and they have to finish the rest. Christ paid it all; that's the Good News!!
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. Eph 2:8-9
Their fruits are what they believe, which is that their good works must be added to Christ's finished work.With that said, it is possible some of the pastors on the panel were saved as believers and yet now, they are erring in their doctrinal interpretation and falling away from the truth. The ones who entered the door by believing in Christ's finished work (death, burial and resurrection) would be saved but will endure chastening here on earth and loss of rewards in heaven. God's gifts are irrevocable; salvation is a gift that cannot be lost.
I hope this helps. Hopefully Trent will weigh in! May God bless!
@@Ginabritt7
Matt 7:21-23 is speaking to those who did not believe in Christ's finished work but who trusted in their own works. I think of Prosperity Gospel preachers and Mormons as examples.
@@lai7527 thank you so much for your reply! It was very helpful! 🙏❤️
Put simply, our salvation depends solely on the person and work of Jesus Christ. As we continue to trust in him, we will experience the power of the Holy Spirit at work in our lives to make us more like Jesus. When we see this happening, our assurance that we truly are one of God's children grows. The Holy Spirit living in you is who guides us to our purpose in Jesus. We must possess the Holy Spirit to be saved. He is necessary for salvation. He is the seal of God, and its the Holy Spirit that brings us into a relationship with the Lord. He transforms your heart and mind, and conforms you into the character of Christ. When the Holy Spirit comes to live inside of you upon salvation, we become a temple for the Holy Spirit, or the temple of God. He becomes your helper and teacher, as well as the power and strength to avoid temptations. The Holy Spirit is your evidence you have been Born Again. 1John 2:27 says, But you have received the Holy Spirit, and he lives within you, so you don't need anyone to teach you what is true. For the Spirit teaches you everything you need to know, and what he teaches is true-it is not a lie. So just as he has taught you, remain in fellowship with Christ.
Pastor Jessie , these guys are so far off with their teaching, makes me automatically say: SAYS NO SCRIPTURE EVER! 😅 God bless!
It’s just cherry pick the verses which lets them keep there John Calvin doctrines in line
Takes a whole chapter sometimes a whole book to really get the context of what the topic was , why and who too
Great exposure in this part 2 of what the world needs to hear.
God Bless you Jesse Trent and the bibleline team
Already waiting on the next one
When did Calvinism come into the discussion lol? I'm only a few minutes in so maybe I'm missing something. Calvinism was not invented by John Calvin and Calvinism believes in a regenerate person never losing their salvation.
@@jtbtdlkt2012
All five points of Calvinism are Satanic trash.
So Jesse, arent these pastors fulfilling thevery warning they preach? They dont believe Christ's death issufficient and are banking their salvation on not willfully sinning? They are so dug in that if they had believed from the beginning and then became ensnared by this heresy they now preach, arent theythe ones who are now beyond changing their mind? They represent the very warnings they preach. Do they not?😢
Those pastors seem to be the ones that will say "Lord, Lord, did we not do all of those wonderful works...?" They will trust in themselves and their works and try to argue that their works should save them.
So Adam and Eve were going to be in the garden forever. Did they get kick out because they stop believing or stop obeying?
God gave them specific instruction with the command not to eat the tree.
Nonetheless, Christ’s death was foreordained before the foundation of the world. They could still receive eternal salvation by faith in Christ the same as the rest of us.
- Trent
Salvation is of the Lord . Therefore if God chose you for salvation you are saved and you can’t lose it because God doesn’t change His mind . Ephesians 1:4 God chose US before the foundation of the world. It does not say God chose ALL but you have to make a decision . Dead men don’t make decisions.Ephesians 2:1 -10 Freewill is a man made myth . Scripture states we are slaves to sin and a slave don’t have a Freewill . Sin has destroyed our will .According to scripture Jesus came for His people His sheep and His friends. No one else . People STOP with your Man centered religion. It’s ALL about Him.
3:50 Translation: you can receive Grace, but not put your trust in it. Can’t you?
Yes. All receive grace from God in that he died for all sin. The problem is that not all believe.
- Trent
@@BibleLinecommon grace. How does a person, who has no affinity toward God, place his confidence in someone he doesn't believe?
Can you force yourself to love onions if you naturally hate them? Can you force yourself to believe in flat earth if you don't a bent toward conspiracy theory stuff?
It just doesn't make sense that a person can will themselves into believing something they hate.
The command to be saved is not to love God, it’s not to work for God, it isn’t to obey God, and it isn’t to try and please him in some way. The only thing a person must do to be saved is believe in Jesus Christ for the full payment of their sin.
God died for all people, and he gives all people the opportunity to believe.
1 John 2:1-2 - death for all.
John 16:8-11 - conviction upon all
Romans 3:20-28 - grace unto all, but salvation/justification is to those who believe.
Remove the illustration of man made thinking, and the scripture is clear.
- Trent
@@BibleLinePlease, to clarify. I will make it short.
I trusted God everything depended on Him, then what happen was Baptism just like Jesus received in Jordan, or rather(not to blaspheme) like Paul received on the road to Damascus. But in half an hour I had my wildernesses moment, with demons roll in on me, and I flunked it, got deceived.
Am I considered saved? I didn’t put my trust in Grace I had received to rebuke the devil.
So am I saved still? What would happen to us if Jesus had flunked the wilderness testing?
If dispensattionalism is a lie, is me failing the wilderness moment an apostasy?
Why Jesus said that if a man lets old demons come back into him - it’s going to be worse than before and He doesn’t even mention a cure for it 😢?
Has there ever been someone who forfeited their salvation??
No
No. We cannot unbirth ourselves or take ourselves out of Christ.
Why dont they ever attempt to explain the verses that OSAS use to prove it is true?
We do you just don't pay attention
The men presented here are preaching various forms of works doctrines.They are preaching another gospel that we are warned of in the scriptures, they are deceitful workers. They look to put you back under the yoke of bondage.
John 10:27-29; Rom. 8:35, 38, 39; Phil. 1:6; 1 Pet. 1:4, 5; Matthew 6:9 (Our Father…); Romans 8:1-17 (Abba Father)- I respect Good Fight Ministries. This video is unfortunately an excellent example of bringing God down to man’s thinking (erroneous). How can we lose, what The Eternal God of All has freely provided. We cannot lose what we could not earn. Salvation is a free gift given freely by The Eternal Everlasting God The Father. We have assurance of our salvation because when we accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior (be born again - John 3) we receive God as Father and we’re His children. There’s no separation in the parent/child relationship. God is Faithful to finish The Work He started in us. Remember, Jesus said on The Cross, “It Is Finished!” Hallelujah.
To many examples in past to think one cannot fall away .
Just read .
2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)
All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
All scripture not just in the NT .
I would just question the motive for wanting once saved always saved to be true; is it so you can serve the Lord in confidence without fear of losing faith, or is it to have license to sin? If the goal is license to sin then that motive shows a false faith. God sees your heart and knows why you really want it to be true.
We really and truly don’t “want it to be true,” but we truly believe it is true. Scriptures such as Romans 3, 4, 8, Ephesians 1, John 6 and others show us this doctrine is true.
The very point regarding eternal life being eternal life is the main reason we believe in eternal security. It is not temporary, probationary or life until you sin again.
- Trent
@@BibleLine I know I just mean a true believer is relieved with these verses to serve God in confidence, a false believer will use them as license.
It does not make or negate their faith. They believed or they didn’t believe.
- Trent
You have in America one most banned pastor, I start getting why is banned. He nails the doctrine. His Last name is Anderson. Stephen, I believe.
9:54 I feel like you kinda misrepresented him. He said if anyone deserves to go to heaven it’s Paul. I don’t think he believes that Paul actually deserves heaven.
But wait if they were my pastor how can we know they are saved and i can trust them? They do have some pretty egregious sins as pentecostals, not that i have any less sin. I used to be pentecostal Arminian and i never had peace coming to God i always came crying because i knew I wasn't good enough. I had a hint something was off, so i left.
Of course they just say you can lose salvation to keep the flock in a state of fear so they can milk them dry of tithe money or volunteering.
I then found peace in a powerful Saviour who doesn't let me go but corrects me when i sin, simple enough!
Zac Poonen didn't say Paul deserved to go to heaven he said "IF there is anybody that deserves to go to heaven." Big difference. What i find really troublesome about this video isn't the interpretation of the word on salvation and osas. What bothers me is the accusations thrown towards people about twisting scripture and accusing people of purposely trying to decieve people. One of my best friends is osas and I am not. Did i mention we are best friends? He never accuses me of twisting scripture and i never accuse him of twisting scripture. He is a dear brother in the Lord and I love him and he loves me. It would be good to see people on both sides of the argument stop accusing the other of heresy. Seek Him and His meekness and let go of your pride. And what i mean by "let go of your pride" is stop pointing fingers and calling names and being ugly to people that have a different view than you. None of us are going to heaven for having a perfect understanding of God's word. Let us agree on Jesus. I say this for people on both sides of this argument. Including myself. I wish you all peace and the Lord's blessings on your life's journey. Shalom.
Partial believers were never saved, look at the parable of the sower, they never bring fruit
endure to the end? that is saying don't die or get killed
Oswalt looks like a Smurf villain. Creepy dude.
Would Jesus say that about him?
@@J.J.-hz5fv Maybe.... he called the Pharisees (believed in works salvation)... vipers. Not a very flattering description of a person. Was he mean?
@dumpybear8664 no. However, he's Jesus. He has authority. He also taught us to be meek and lowly in heart. It's interesting how believers mock and call other believers names over doctrinal differences. The word says to speak evil of no man.
Titus 3:1-3
King James Version
3 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,
2 To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.
3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
Lord bless you on your life's journey. May we all strive for peace and understanding amongst the Brethren and may we all be united in His presence. Shalom.
Making an anti OSAS video is a work of the Devil!!!
Once saved always saved is a license to commit sins even without repentance. False doctrine.
No it’s not. It’s really not. Grace is the reason we live for Christ. We love him because he first lived us. He showed us grace and therefore we should live profitable Christian lives. Salvation includes a change of mind (repentance)… but it does not include turning from sin.
- Trent
There are false confessors! Jesus said so! Even the demons believe. Alot of FALSE conversion happen so OSAS is only TRUE for true, genuine believers. If a person is TRULY born again the Holy Spirit will manifest and help the person to desire in walking the way Jesus instructs. It's called sanctification. A person is justified at conversion and sealed by the Holy Spirit and are OSAS but the true manifestation of this proof is by how they live, do they live for self? Or does their life show they love God and love people by the way they treat and serve others in Christ name.... Jesus said we are to become less in our life by giving it away to HIM so He can become greater through laying our life down so HE can be glorified by being vessels of HIS love, mercy, power and grace to others. To be JESUS with skin on and a light, salt to the earth in a dying world....
Minute 28 = Hebr. 6:4-6
On the screen i says Hebr. 4....
👀☠️ whoops!
Shhhh it’s a secret. Jk, my thinking must’ve been backwards when typing 😬
Thanks!
- Trent
@@BibleLine 😂 Make my day, bro 🌴
It is your work that I respect the most in defending the grace in Jesus for us, the sinners. However my oppinion differ on this statement of Jesus in Mathew 25. I think the timing of the event is crucial here.
Мат 25:31-33 KJV 31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Wll, it's not the Great White Throne, nor the judgement seat of Christ.
That means it's not the judgement of the dead, nor the judgement of the Church, its the judgement of the nations outside the Church in the tribulation about their reaction on the gospel of the kinngdom of heaven preached by the renewed Israel - the 144000, or another group of brothers of Jesus a.i. jews. Both the goats and the sheep are alive and not ressurected..!!!
Also I think that this might be the same group in Мат 7:21-23 KJV 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
These people did not accepted the mark of the beast, so they were not gatherd by the angels and thrown into still operational Hell / Hades, yet they dont have the saving gospel. They are all gentiles, no jew among them
I think more like the situation of Rahab in Jericho.
Deut. 18:18-19 KJV 18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.