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- Pastor Jesse begins a 5 part series in reaction to the "Once Saved Always Saved | A Documentary Film." This reaction is in response to the error that these men promote. In no way, shape or form are we desiring to degrade these individuals. We pray for each of these men that they come to the knowledge of the truth of salvation.
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This verse comes to mind when listening to pastor Jesse because of how clearly and efficiently he speaks on the topic at hand, Colossians 4:6 “Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.” May God bless you always pastor Jesse, and everyone involved at Bibleline. 🙏🏼
Thank you!
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Amen and scripture to back it up
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God's Grace is sooooo Amazing and unmerited, some people have a big problem with it.
They think they have it but it's not for the people that they think don't deserve it because they aren't doing life like them.
Ever learning, but never able to come onto the saving knowledge of the Lord
It’s the knowledge of the truth. Which keeps them from living an unchristian life if you look at the verses before
Bottom line if you preach a salvation that can be lost, then you preach a salvation by works and not grace through faith in Jesus
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You made that up. You, without batting an eye probably don't question what "works" actually means ? Faith for and asking for salvation require effort. Is effort the equivalent of biblical "work" ? How do you decide what effort is anti-grace and what effort is pro-grace?
Gds offspring can NOT sin. If a person is sinning then they have resurrected their old man and have become him again. The old carnal man can not be saved but is permanently condemned. Also, forgiveness from Gd intrinsically comes with being one with Js with him as your head. Only Js has a ticket into heaven. If we are supernaturally joined into his body, death, resurection then we no longer sin. So, cessation of sin is intrinsic to the faith we must have to be forgiven. Gds form of "forgiveness" is peculiar because our old man is NEVER forgiven, instead a completely new man is created without any guilt.
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For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. Eph 2:8-9
For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. Rom 4:2-4
For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. Rom 7:15-20
Even Paul struggled with two natures, a sinful nature and the divine nature. The natures warred with one another.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us. 1Joh 1:8-10
@JeremyBinnings
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. Eph 2:8-9
For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. Rom 4:2-4
For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. Rom 7:15-20
Even Paul struggled with two natures, a sinful nature and the divine nature. The natures warred with one another.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us. 1Joh 1:8-10
The pride of man is a powerful force and many can't help but to place themselves at the center of the salvation equation. It's not a coincidence that the first sin was pride.
Couldn't agree more. In fact, I face it within myself, each and every day. It's not so much a "fight" anymore, like it use to be before I was Saved. Rather it's a conviction by the Holy Spirit. When you receive the Holy Spirit, you've acquired a Heavenly Father that guides you like a mortal parent would. Without the possibility of that parent walking away from you. I'm still held in awe, how a Spirit so Holy, can change a heart full of self righteousness, into a Sprit of Guidance, Patience and Love. Jesus said you must lose YOUR life to find it. It's impossible for one to do it on their own. But with God, anything's possible. This is done by Faith, which has been implanted into you by the Holy Spirit. This is why you are commanded to be led by the Spirit. There's simply not enough room for one's self righteousness and the Seal of Salvation to exist. (unless one should boast) Yes, it's hard at times. But it's a fact that has already been stated by my Savior. I was saved 27 years ago by a broken heart and spirit. God loves a broken and contrite heart. He doesn't have to fight self righteousness that unfortunately, still plagues a lot of people today. We should learn from our mistakes. But the world has no intention of correcting a wrong into a right. Only the power of the Holy Spirit can bring this wrong to a believer. However it's consequences to leading a believer to hell is null and void, because a believer has been purchased at a very high price. No one who is not saved, will fully understand how much God loves you. He cannot bring you to His House with dirty shoes. He could've left us to burn at this point. To save ANYONE through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, is an Act of Love on His part. But it's His Holiness, (Holy Spirit) that allows a believer to understand, that there's nothing that one could do to earn their Salvation. If humbleness isn't a part of the Fruit of the Spirit, may I suggest re-reading what Jesus says about losing YOUR life to find His?
The sad part about this is that all of the false teachers presented here are all apparently still not trusting in Jesus alone for salvation. Unfortunately they will be like the ones referred to in Matthew 7:21.
It angers me at the stupidity and arrogance when someone says "yeah, it says nothing and nobody can take you from God's hand, but it doesn't say you cant." Jesus quite literally says "my father is more powerful" and "NOTHING"....NOTHING MEANS 0, ZILCH, NADA. Nothing can. You are included in that "nothing".
What these men are failing to see is that they are placing a yolk on everyone else, which they themselves cannot even bare. I believe that's the definition of "hypocrisy". These people were all prophesied about in 2 timothy 3:5,7.
Bingo brother!
you mean...yoke...not yolk
@@MrOssolo55 you egging us on?
You can get walk away…
@@MrOssolo55 autocorrect. 🤷
I love the videos on this channel they are dead on accurate.
I got saved when I was 12, I had a literal bona fide undeniable encounter with the Holy Spirit when I believed the Gospel.
But I strayed immediately and God chastised the living mess out of me, and for a long time I struggled and i greatly feared that I had lost my salvation.
But fortunately for me God himself intervened and proved to me that I had not lost my salvation.
I once had another encounter with God where I was arguing back and forth with him. And I wasn't sure if that was him that I was talking to or if it was just self-talk.
But... For instance there was this man that I was wanting to kill because this 25 year old multi-millionaire stole my 15 year old girlfriend. And I was arguing back and forth with God and the voice inside of me said.
"But you have me, you have eternal life, you are going to live with me forever, but this man won't make it to the age of 50, he will live his life as an alcoholic and he will be dead by the time he's 48."
And I snapped back at God and said "yeah right rich people don't die that young he can afford the best doctors if anything I'll probably die young because I'll be too poor to even afford health insurance"
And while I was talking to God and not even sure if I was talking to God or if it was just self-talk I said
"And I don't even know if this is you that I'm talking to and I don't even think I'm saved anymore."
And i said "okay I'll believe it's you when I see it happen."
And the voice inside said "you will see I'm not going to tell you how you'll see but you will."
This conversation went on for a while and there's MUCH MUCH more to it then I care to explain here.
But... About 23 years later the man died from alcoholism at 48 years old.
Looking back on the conversation the same voice that told me that the man would live as a life as an alcoholic and be dead by the time he was 48 is the same voice that assured me that I had eternal life.
Now looking at scripture scripture says the same thing. If I had not had such a little faith God would not have had to do something extra to prove to me that I was still saved.
You can know that you have eternal life just by believing what the scripture says.
As John wrote
"I write these things that you may KNOW that you have eternal life."
P.s.
If anyone could lose their salvation through sinning too much it would have been me. During that period of my life I didn't look or act anything like a Christian but I was a born agaim child of God, and had I died at my worst moment I would have died fearing I was going to hell, but I would have woke up in heaven.
I was still saved even when I didn't realize it.
But like a good Shepherd Jesus said
If one sheep goes astray he will leave the 99 in the field and go and bring that one sheep back.
You can NOT loose your salvation, end of story.
This was such an incredible read, thank you and praise God!
That's great! Praise the Lord
What a testimony! Our God is so good!
So sad these men think they meet the requirements of salvation by their faithfulness. The cross plus their law keeping. I hope one day they trust in Christ alone for salvation.
Trusting in Christ alone. Means you trust in EVERYTHING he has said. And if your righteousness does not exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees. You will by no means enter the Kingdom of God
nowhere in the new testament was anyone saved twice !
And here’s what Jesus said all that the father gives me I lose none
Amen!! I guess Dr Brown doesn’t believe that
These clowns….🤡 I can’t.
" of all that the Lord has given me, I will lose none".
This was specifically of the 12 apostles, Jesus did not lose none, peter denied him, but repented Judas was not lost by Jesus, he left of his own free will because of greed and jealousy and revenge.
Thomas doubted him for a while.
This verse proves once saved always saved is a false doctrine.
@@theouterplanet he does, Jesus did not lose Judas, and Judas was given to him, Judas of his own free will betrayed Jesus, Jesus did not walk away from him and is not responsible for making the apostles believe.
Peter denied him 3 times and repented 3 times, and Thomas doubted and refused to believe , until Jesus appeared ⁸to him.
Saul had the holy spirit depart from him, it was not forced to stay in him
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Whoa...they're not just incorrect, they're being purposefully deceitful! "Yea hath God said?" Insane...how do they not see?
It shows they are Satan's ministers.
I wish more believers would point out the dangers of both Calvinism and those that believe in conditional salvation
You must have never heard of Jack Smack? 😂😂😂 He is one of the few Christians who just doesn't care and has no mercy on Calvinists and is always making videos about the danger of calvinism. It takes awhile to get used to the way he preaches because he is very direct but I love him, his content is fantastic.
There's really no difference between Calvinism and those who believe that they can lose their salvation, because just as Calvinists believe in the "Perseverance of the Saints", those who believe they can lose their salvation believe in the very same thing. It's up to man to endure to the end with their works or else they prove they were never saved. Keyword that is the anthesis to the Gospel: WORKS. Imagine if didn't know the full story of King David from the Bible, only the fact that he committed adultery and murder and that he didn't repent for months, I wonder what those pastors would've thought about David's spiritual state?
@@brianseay8242 same coin, different sides
I agree. I have been in both of those camps. They do not bring lasting peace. Only Free Grace position in theology does.
There is a channel, Onorato Diamante, that pretty much does that for every video.
This debate is exactly what I’ve been going through… how sad it is it’s devastating
I am quite confident nearly 100% of ALL Christian's, who have taken the afterlife seriously, have struggled with this exact gospel truth. Eternally secure or not. I have personally gone through patches of both and after many many many hours of study and praying God allowed me to see that salvation truly is eternal and can not be lost. However the enemy wants me to waver from this. Why? Because the power of God is literally the gospel and if I lose faith in Jesus's plan if reconciliation then I lose spiritual power and am less effective for God because I hide from God when I have salvation anxiety.
After you believed in the blood atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ as the only and final payment for all your sins.... Meaning you accepted How Christ died for our sins and that he was buried and that he rose again the 3rd day according to the scriptures.... as the payment made in your place Acts 20:28 / Rev 1:5 Scriptures says you are saved and sealed and given eternal life Eph 1:13-14 / 2 Thess 2:13-14 / Rom 4:4-5 / Rom 3:19-26 / 1 Cor 1:17-31...
So you are going to heaven on the merits of what Christ Jesus accomplished and by HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH IS HIS IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS TO THOSE THAT BELIEVED THE GOSPEL
So yes if a person so choses to live however they want after they are saved is a possibility....
Galatians 5 says we have freedom in Christ.... But scripture also says that we have a dual nature after we are saved which Galatians 5 says to feed the Spirit and not your evil fleshly nature....
So Just because turning from sin or sinning has nothing to do with how a person is saved, doesn't mean God wants a person to live after his/hers fleshly evil corrupt nature.
That's all over Gods words including Rom 12 and so on....
My questions to all works based salvation teachers;
Have you personally done enough to be confident of your salvation?
What human being born of the Spirit is now the new standard that we are to be measured by?
How can I judge a brother or sister as a false believer if I measure his or her works to mine?
I do believe every believer born of the Spirit has the guidance and conviction of the Spirit. I don't personally know any Christian who fits this straw man they speak of? It's ok to encourage good works out of love and devotion to our Lord as long as you don't tie it to necessity for salvation! This is the hole they keep falling into.
Trust in Christ alone for salvation and do works out of Love for Him!
You OSAS crowd claim that the believers who consider their repentance to be necessary in order to receive forgiveness are attempting to work for and earn Gd's forgiveness. WHY does your crowd insist this ? Is it because the act of making choices requires effort and "effort" is synonymous with "work" ?
Why don't you also equate all effort with earning salvation ? There are several works your crowd accepts as necessary to receive forgiveness yet you don't take issue with those. How do you choose which works are pro-grace and which works are anti-grace ? Faith itself also requires work, reasoning about what you ought to believe requires work, reading or hearing the bible requires work.
It's amazing how blind I was to this. Now I listen to these preachers and it screams "works works works"
It is because of the influence of Rome and their works-based salvation. This theology of working for salvation is found in over 90 percent of denominations to some degree.
"Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."
If works salvation was correct, many would have found it, making Jesus a liar.
It’s not works based. It just includes works. Just like the Bible does all over the place
Oh dear...
...and such is the problem with reading, studying, and interpreting God's Word through the lense of a denomination and/or belief system. So heartbroken for them and the others that they lead astray.
You do the same thing
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Hi, I hope you're doing well.
No sir, I agree with those whom most closely agree with my understanding of God's word.
Take care.
Older gentleman grinning as he says translations are a tricky business. Yeesh I thought when he said that I was hearing the devil say to Eve , did God really say? Vipers , I am sorry and its sad to say but the devil hates grace . Look at all the religions in the world, all trying to be good enough to enter heaven. Nuff said. Love it Jesse.
They are not against grace. If you would just open your mind to their message
@@demetriusbyler5072 I like my mind right where it is, on the promises of Jesus and all scripture supporting eternal security.
thank you, God bless, you. pray for me family
The seal argument is silly. A seal is designed to seal.
Preserved in Christ! Amen!
Great video, I have met so many people who think if you sin after you are saved you can lose your salvation. If you are truly saved and your trust and belief in Jesus Christ is truly genuine coming from the heart, you don't doubt your salvation. you cant mix grace and works, it is one or the other, it is not humanly possible to live a life with zero sin, only Jesus can do that. not us.
The Spirit, as a "deposit" or "earnest" can be revoked. When the seller doesn't meet the terms of the sales agreement, the buyer has the right to receive the earnest back. God is the buyer and we are each sellers.
Understanding the finished work at the Cross solves the security issue, hands down. 'It is finished'. Great video!
He finished what HE was supposed to. not what YOU are supposed to
Finished an argument, where a dude kept telling me that, "If you want to be saved, obey the commandments of God, do the Eucharist and baptism", which is what he was essentially telling me, and telling me that grace through faith salvation is "unbiblical". So, I called him a child of Satan, because he accuses believers like me that we're not Christian, he manipulates Bible verses to forward his agenda, and tempts believers like me with salvation. So, yeah. I need to hear more of your sermons, Pastor Jesse. To remind me again that we are saved by God's unmerited grace, not our works, or the Eucharist, or baptism.
You can't stop being a born again child of God anymore than you can change the fact that you were born a human being.
You can't become of bird because you wish you hadn't been born a human, anymore than you can quit being a child of God once you've been born again.
For me it brings me back to being a teenager and getting saved but fearfully wondering if these guys are right? And would God ever cut me off for sin. I know im saved and dont worry anymore but if these guys were right then there is no hope for any of us. This is a great video. Love the hard work jesse puts into these videos.
God will only send you to hell for the sins that Jesus didn't pay for.
Nope! Jesus paid it all in full.
@@Sgomes-is4or That's what I said lol
@@TheShadow.1 then 👍 yeah! Lol
@@Sgomes-is4or 😀
That ESV is so wicked, because, in the ESV, it seems like verse 14 is pointing to "man" and his righteousness of acquiring or receiving the inheritance himself instead of God giving it to us through faith in his Son. We are that purchased possession through his blood; but, no, the ESV says until we (the possession) acquire the possession it. The possession of what!? Eternal life? The possession acquires the possession? These people call God a liar.
ESV is basically a Gnostic (Calvinist) text.
Thank you so much for these videos they are heart and mind openers in GOD's truth !
God bless 🔥🔥🔥
If one could jump out of God's hand that's like saying you can be unborn out of God's family. No one born had anything to do with being born in a family, your parents did you cannot undo being born to them. A child of God is born into his family you cannot change being his child, it cannot be undone and one lost again, you're no longer a child of God. Being born into God's family happened the moment you trusted Jesus Christ as your Saviour, his Spirit now indwells us, he seals each believer unto the day of redemption, he baptized us into the body of Christ. Another thing the gift of salvation, God promised eternal life which is given us when you trust Jesus Christ and will never end. God promised and he will do what he promised, it's not up to us but God himself.
And you are not saved until you leave this Earth and are in the presence of Christ.That's when you're saved.That's why he said lift your head for your redemption draws near you are going to redeem your ticket to paradise! Spending eternity with Christ.
Excellent!! Pastor Jesse provides a sound Biblical critique of the false gospel teachings of this Documentary Film.
--Bible Professor Al, Ph.D., Th.D.
People who hide behind the Greek remind me so much of gnostics in the early church day who taught that “the heavenly messenger had trusted his secret knowledge to a particular disciple, who alone was the true interpreter of the message.” “This messenger brings the gnosis, the secret knowledge and inspiration necessary for salvation.” The story of Christianity volume 1 by Justo L. Gonzalez Page 72-75
You can't lose your salvation, but you can walk away from it at any time, Hebrews 6:4-6
Yeah. Eternal life is not eternal. Once saved, you'll probably go to hell. There are no guarantees. You can walk into salvation and out of salvation . It depends on us to stay saved. We can pluck ourselves out of His hands. Jesus has butter fingers. Yeah.
@@rickdalbey6009 set your minds on things above not here on earth Colossians 3:2.
At the 4:57 minute mark notice the usage of the word earnest in Strongs Concordance. Usage: An earnest, earnest-money, a large part of the payment, given in advance as a SECURITY that the whole WILL be paid afterwards.
2nd Corinthians 5 -- all sins of every person were imputed to Jesus and paid *colossians. Jesus became all my sin. We are saved when we believe Jesus died for those sins already. Reconciled.
Theirs is more of a "wait and see" salvation.
Here’s a word the Lord gave to a buddy of mine that was struggling with osas. Lord said, do not mix salvation with obedience. Basically Rom 11:6.
All of these guys are mixing obedience passages with salvation (free gift) passages. No one’s obedience will ever be good enough. That’s why we must be justified by faith apart from works.
Even top 10 Comments obedience is an Impossible lifestyle.
In theory '
Keeping THE TOP 10 Comments perfectly won't makes US Holly righteusness perfect, only 10 out of over 600 Laws we would have to Obey perfectly.
Our flesh will Sin intel it past away from this phycical world.
This is an None Supernatrual explained why Imputet righteusness by faith alone is the only way to enter heaven
@@heavensea141 imputed righteousness Rom 4:6-8. No sin can be imputed Rom 4:8. Ain’t God good! Free indeed!!!
@@heavensea141
While Abraham could still produce fruit, he produced Ishmael (law).
When Abraham could no longer produce fruit, God produced Isaac (grace).
We must come to a point that we trust only God to produce in us what He desires. The goal is not striving but coming to the end of self and trusting God, not your self.
Cast out the bond woman and her son (we are dead to the law).
Galatians 4:30 (KJV) Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman (law) and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman (grace).
@@getrit3007
I'm an EX Agnostic OSAS born-again believer in Jesus.
Being born-again is a conviction that something is truth even if its supernatrual and impossible in this phycical world.
Really believe Jesus rise from the dead and was the creator of the universe incarnate in Men require exactly that.
Agnostic/Atheist's mindset who is reality in this phycical world makes sense and is Understandible '
Only believe in what can be proven or disproven with sciense and rational reasons and can be seen is who everything Works in this phycical world.
Also why OSAS is the gospel '
Because the gospel is exactly that ' supernatrual '
Isn't based on who anything work in this phycical world.
This wasn't based any verse from the bible still thanks for thoose you send me.
Selfproclaimed Christians who deny OSAS makes no sense to listen to.
At the end of the day MAJORITY of them seems to don't believe for the same reasons atheist's don't but claim they do '
What they are saying is what Jesus accomplicment on the Cross wasn't enough and spett on his finish work and call him a liar.
@@getrit3007
Thanks for you're reply.
YAH bless you brother in christ
If Jesus can loose His sheep then that would contradict Him being a good shepherd 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️ . But what’s funny is those who said you can lose eternal security or salvation are the ones who somehow never lost there’s 🙄 it’s baffling . You can never change the work of GOD.
As we near the Rapture the ancient heresies of Old are increasing steadily. 1) Judiazers -- law keeping for sanctification, in the form of Calvinism and Hebrew Roots Movement. 2) Gnosticism -- in the form of Calvinism 3) Nicolaitans -- in the form of Roman Catholicism. 4) Arianism -- in the form of Islam and JW.
As far as I know, there is only one being with the power, and authority to break a seal of God, and that's Jesus Christ as depicted in the book of Revelation. He was VIVIDELY depicted as the only one worthy enough to do so, and he also said he would never cast us out, and Paul said NOTHING can separate us from his love in us. Our sin can't break a seal of God, unless you think sin is more powerful than God.
Micheal Brown is a Real Discourager to my Faith in Christ
Brown recently posted a video on mocking Eternal Security as "?What's the Big Deal ? " . I always found those 'brethren' who deny or mock eternal security very disturbing, if not offensive. I'm now 65, when I was 18, Billy Graham came to Notre Dame ( South Bend, IN ) near where I lived, and rode a bus with a local AoG church ( my own newly joined church BBC had misgiving on Graham and his association with RC institution) . Friday Youth Night at ACC, with guest performer late Andre Crouch, Notre Dame.. I had more tolerant view of Charismatics back then, though I never was convinced of any supernatural manifestations on their 'tongues' )
After the meeting, on the Bus back to nearby Michigan City IN, I had a discussion with a few students from the AoG college from Springfield MO, who had just come home for summer break, I mentioned that my chuch BBC had a college in same town, and they 'bragged' that they could 'argue out' of their eternal security.
This issue of eternal Security was the chief stumbling block to Charismatic .
Though in 1970s, Evangelicalism was making positive inroads in people of all denominations, Charismatics seemed to dominate, at least in TV medium. 38 WCFC Chicago and 46 WHME South Bend had mostly Charismatic programming .. PTL, 700 Club.. But also carried more True edifying programming like Jerry Falwell, David Jerimiah, Day of Discovery. which taught Eternal Secuity as foundation of Chrisitan Growth. After my crisis of Assurance in 1982 ( UPCi influence ), just before college graduation, I became more vulnerable to temptations of the flesh. In other words, Fear of Losing salvation, DID NOT make my Daily Walk better, But Worse.
I love him otherwise. Just not on this topic.
@@longstreet2740I would agree my brother. I was addicted for a long time to a particular sin in my youth, prettysure i got saved while attending AOG but they taught I could lose salvation. Well I had a crisis of faith, falling back into sin again and again thinking how could I be saved sinking deeper and deeper in sin and depression. The only time i had joy was when i thought id repented enough. I ended up leaving that church started listening to Calvary, old time Baptist preaching, learning about fellowship and true salvation in Christ alone by grace alone. And it's like a gust of wind from good doctrine is helping me to practice real self control and confidence in God to live for him. I still struggle with some depression because of finances, also temptation is always there sometimes i fall. But I trust God to hold me through it all, and to restore my joy as i confess my wrongs and he help me through it all.
Eternal security advocates are helping me vs destroying my walk like Arminians did.
@@ThemCoversMB I agree that Brown has written excellent apologetics on Messianic topics, just as Calvinist James White once wrote and excellent book on the Trinity.
In my discernment I must constantly exercise discernment
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."
1 Thessalonians 5:21
@@ThemCoversMBbrown also believes demons can get lodged in a believers body. Which is total nonsense.
I recommend people listen to the whole OSAS? documentary before (or after) listening to this commentary.
They can. We didn’t leave much out aside from the less important tidbits. The documentary is a poor exegesis of scripture at best.
- Trent
@@BibleLine I think your video made your opinion abundantly clear.
😂😂 unfortunately - yeah 😂 the way you said that had me cackling.
I have heard soooo many times heard people say we can jump out! So sad. How can we be greater than God? Praise God He holds me in His hand! End of Story!
@@bignatendc wrong you do not lose your free will to accept or reject Jesus. If you did your belief and faith would be by another and therefore false faith and false belief.
Beginning and end of story.
Everyone in this documentary just LOOKS evil.
What I hear, when someone says, that they can walk away (pluck themselves out of hiw hand,) or that they can break the seal of the Holy Spirit, is "I AM GREATER THAN GOD." That is what I hear.
Then you and I hear the same thing. It is blasphemous, even satanic at its very core: if you can overpower God, then you are greater than God.
It's outright sickening!
@@WeldingForJesus
It is also prideful.
@livingforjesus8551
Pluck them out of my hand that is false teachers with a false message.
That's what's going on today this once saved always saved free Grace theology is doctrine of demons.
If you had eternal security why did Satan get thrown out of heaven?
He was the most beautiful , brightest and anointed and he was still thrown out of heaven and you're going to take pride back into heaven living in sin that God condemns really?
When he is talking about being plucked out of his hand that is talking about false teachers leading his sheep astray with a false message and that's once saved always saved the free Grace doctrine of demons
Wake up
Study to show thyself approved unto God a Workman needing not to be ashamed rightly dividing the word of Truth
You're twisting that scripture all the way out of context
@@livingforjesus8551
Show me one verse where it says to continue to live in sin that God condemns
Leanard Ravenhill was that old guy. When I wasn't saved (thought I was) I listened to him a lot and even shared his videos. I regret that. He was all about the changed life, or you're going to hell.
@1:44 "It's also the same thing in English." I truly laughed out loud so hard at that. 😂 I'm of the same mind that we can still understand the Bible without knowing NT Greek.
JESUS IS GOD ALMIGHTY AMEN
I told myself a long time ago..do not listen to Good Fight Ministries anymore, because they mock and chastise anyone who believes in a Pre-Trib rapture. If they don’t see and teach the obvious in scripture regarding the rapture, then why should I listen to them on any other biblical doctrine. Now I see they are wrong on a lot more than that issue. Thanks for this response video series.
Whoa… that was intense.
Is it just me or at times they do get exactly what the scripture means and they then try with lofty speech and very rushed at times speaking complicate even more with using passages that require a lot more study to gain context
The simple passages do a great job of explaining the more complexed ones
It’s hard to listen to them say what they say. You have lost people really seeking truth and going by how they presented themselves you would have to be like a rocket scientist to understand but it’s ok we will tell you what it means
I pray these folks realise that they are pushing many people straight to hell by there poor understanding and turn away from it and start correcting what they say to those they have confused
Sorry for rant it’s hard for me to word what I know is going through my mind
Jesse Trent Bibleline great video guys we need these preachers to see your response to them
All I can do is pray about it this is so bad for a person to come across these guys and end up deceived
They are saying they don’t agree with osas? They think they are still under law and their sin can still be imputed to them. Have you not read - Rom 4:8.
It’s like these guys go out of their way to twist scripture. Makes you wonder if they have a false spirit.
How you know they’re wrong because it says that you were sealed until the day of redemption so that tells you you’ll be sealed until the day of redemption so I wouldn’t even argue with these people. There’s no reasoning skills. They don’t have common sense.
I guess this is what happens when man thinks God's ways are the same as theirs. Salvation is indeed foolishness to those who are depending on their works to save them or keep them saved.
Can you live however you want after you get saved? Yes but you're going to be beat by God you're going to be punished by God you're going to be chastised by God.
Can you live however you want after you saved yes but should you live however you want no
Technically we do have a license to sin, but God doesn’t want us to see it that, rather he wants us to Jesus as a ticket to heaven, also Ephesians 4:30 is probably the best OSAS verse.
“Yea, hath God said” … it sounds evil because they sound just like the devil when they say it.
The D V L literally told Eve she would not die if she disobeyed. OSAS literally says you will not die if you disobey AS LONG as you have faith for salvation one single moment in your entire life. The WORLD literally says there's no eternal consequences for sin. Multitudes upon multitudes of Christians currently believe they can live however they want with no eternal consequences from Gd. And they do all the same bad stuff the world does.
@@PabloMinstri I wish you the best of luck Pablo. Maybe your good will outweigh your bad and God will accept you.
@@HowAboutThat224
Obviously, you have ZERO intention of considering what I said or reconsider what you said. At least you responded 🙂.
@@PabloMinstri I have wasted enough of my life trying to talk debate with people like you. So best of luck mate.
@@HowAboutThat224 Ok. But I am aware that there are a VAST number of professing "Christians" who live exactly like the world but believe that they are 👍👍 with Gd. Talk to the unbelievers and they typically really do also believe that IF there is actually a Gd he will accept them just as they are. The D V L honestly did tell Eve that she will not die if she disobeys Gd. Argue or don't argue, either way, these things are true. I personally would very much not take much confidence in OSAS after considering these things
Seems to me that they have an issue with the gospel as a whole rather than the doctrine of eternal security
2 Corinthians 11:13, 15
[13] For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
[15] Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Hello, Norm Diamanté just made a video on the parable of talents where he insists that the one talent guy lost his Salvation as well.
That was Leonard ravenhill, probably one of the greatest evangelist this last 100 years
I haven’t met a Christian who struggle with sin enjoy it and want to be in that situation ? The documentary should be called the false teachings to avoid
I feel like I have a really pretty sand castle and these people want to bring it down. I'd like to ask these men how many sins should I commit to lose my salvation. How many old ladies should I trip?? I believe either they don't know what they're talking about (which I really don't think it's the case)......or they're intentionally evil.
Even if I went out right now to murder someone, wouldn't that sin be covered too *by the perfect sacrifice of Jesus Christ??* If I could "jump out" from God's hand by sinning, that would mean that Jesus has failed somewhere, no? I really don't know what these men believe, but I know they're false teachers.
Exactly. They claim to believe "Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures" but then say we'll lose our salvation because of sin. They can't have it both ways.
They basically reject the blood of Jesus they say Jesus you havent done enough thats wicked!
2 Minute 02... I heard that Trent! 🤣
Blessings from Caboverde 🌴⛰🌳
Haha! I didn’t realize I could be heard in there 🤣 shhhhh it’s a secret haha
- Trent
@@BibleLine maybe now it isn't anymore 🤫
About the Seal, maybe you can look at it from another angle. Jesus Christ died for ALL of our sins. Therefore, there's no one sin that you've committed too much that Jesus Christ can be like Eh, I didn't die for that one. Therefore, deductively, the Seal of His Holy Spirit is Final.
Some great sarcasm!
Be careful!
If a person ONLY needs to have faith in JS one single moment to be permanently qualified to enter heaven then that equates to having zero fear of hll. Plus, if you profess that earthly temporary punishment from Gd is real then who honestly has fear of that ?
This is terrible that this many are this incorrect!
I count myself very fortunate to have found teachers who understand the gospel.
We are living in the days of strong delusion and false anointed ones.
1 John 4:4 Tells us that who have believed in Jesus are of God, and have overcome them (I believe them is referring to false prophets), because greater is he that is in us, than he that is in the world. So, they can make all the false claims they want. Still doesn't change Gods promise to us.
Dr. Michael Brown is most dangerous. He is well spoken and an expert debater. He has influence in many movements. I wish people would not listen to his twisting of Scripture. Prayers for all those who are trusting in themselves to “make it” to heaven. I want to obey God, not to remain saved, but because I am saved. It’s a done deal, signed, sealed, and delivered. Not our way, whereby we can mess up, but God’s perfect way- all the way. God bless you Pastor Jesse. Thank you for these videos. Listening to these men twist and shout made me especially angry today. 😤
Yep, when they bring up do we have the license to sin to Paul (sorry paraphasing), he says No, because that's not the nature of a Christian. He doesn't say No, you'll lose your Salvation.
I need eternal security, if I don't have eternal Security, I am of most miserable 😖😭😊
Proverbs 12:25 NKJV
[25] Anxiety in the heart of man causes depression, But a good word makes it glad.
Those who preach against eternal life, which is what preaching against eternal security really is brings nothing but anxiety.
Imagine living in a constant state of uncertainty, as if we have anything to contribute to our own salvation, and if we're not good enough, God would not honor our belief in Him as Lord and Savior. It's just a works-based "look at me" effort-like the Pharisees. All of these men Jesse is pointing out seem like they just want to be heard and followed.
I have a question..
Can men who are sealed by the Holy Spirit actually believe that you can lose salvation and teach it too?
They can believe that, but it doesn’t translate to the actual truth of the matter. The Holy Spirit does teach believers, but deception is powerful. Men sealed with the Spirit can be led away. Still saved nonetheless.
- Trent
Calvinists are proud to be pious because God forced them to be pious.
Arminian are ashamed to be pious so they try to corrupt the gospel carefully without coming across as overtly pious.
"God loves you too much to force you to stay saved".
Luke 18 9-14.
A rose by any other name is still a rose.
Great stuff bro 👏. Have you ever heard of Dr. Gene Kim?
Amen Saved Brother, Matthew 7 completely destroys all these Works based salvationists.
Matthew 7:21-23
King James Version
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.John 6:40 KJV
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
They just do not believe the truth is all.Simple as that ,someone who does not believe in the blood one time payment is lost.
Loss of salvation. Absolutely impossible. You cannot walk away from permanence. Impossible.
You can stop believing it's not force as many former believers have done.
It's not God's responsibility to force you to believe, it's yours, when you do you are saved when you don't you are an unbeliever and not saved.
You yourself were saved when you believed, if you become an atheist and stop believing, you will not be saved anymore until you repent and become restored.
Otay for those in that situation instead of claiming they were never saved because of this very recent osas doctrine.
@@Tigerex966 Impossible to stop believing for those who have been genuinely saved. Utterly impossible. You are permanently sealed. It cannot be undone.
@@Scott767300 That's a lie.
Stop trying to twist the scripture to fit a doctrine
Continue to the end to be saved
There is no once saved always saved or once damned always damned.
That's Calvinism.
These are recent doctrines and unbiblical.
God does not force you to believe or to keep believing, and only believers are saved.
You do not lose your free will ability we all have, to accept Jesus or reject Jesus.
Neither do you lose your ability to reject Jesus even after accepting him and vice versa.
Believing is man's responsibility not God's.
@@Tigerex966 it’s not a lie. That’s what the Bible says.
@@Scott767300 it does not, that's what your Calvinism light OSAS doctrine says.
The Bible does not say you are saved based on past belief at all, it says you are based on current belief.
See, if they are going to insert what they think modern day people mean when make a statement, Why wouldnt they do the same for someone who has long been dead? I really need to do some in depth study on these verses. Cause there are a lot of things that seem to contradict God, yet I believe it is our misunderstanding of the original meaning
IMO the core problem is that people who’ve trusted in Christ for the free gift of salvation start looking at themselves and what they’re doing or not doing for their assurance instead of keeping their focus on Christ and what he has done ( past tense ) for 100% security.
Regarding grieving the Holy Spirit, just as a human child can grieve a parent with their choices and behaviors, it doesn’t make that child no longer his parent’s child.
We can certainly grieve the Holy Spirit who strives against our flesh and the flesh based choices and behaviors that are sometimes made, do not negate that we are still his child. But with both our human parents and our Heavenly Father , there will be consequences. No consequence , however is one that makes us no longer their/ His child.
This documentary is so unsettling and heartbreaking because they are leading many to incorrect conclusions about the true gospel , the joy of the good news , and proper understanding of our security of justification vs our sanctification through our discipleship.
@@danielbelteshazzar-mg7rb
Sorry but everyone will not be saved.
Everyone has the choice to accept salvation but it must be made by each individual person to do so. God does love everyone one but his love is not synonymous with every one therefore being saved. That is specious deducing.
Christ did die for all but that means that although he paid for everyone’s sins, that’s not equivalent to a blanket statement that therefore everyone is or will be eventually saved.
Each person must choose to accept the payment to their sin debt account.
Take a group of people at a gathering. They are told their meal has been paid for and to go get their food. The only ones that benefit from this offer are those that go accept their free meal and take it.
Those that know of this offer but choose to not take it do not receive the benefit because they decided not to accept the food even though it was paid for.
Universal salvation is not biblical. The OFFER of the fee gift of salvation is universal, yes ( everyone’s food has been paid for )
But the ACCEPTANCE of the free gift of salvation by each individual is necessary to benefit from the offer ( RECEIVING the food that was paid for )
How about a jail full of prisoners who were told that they all had their sentence commuted and are free to go.. All in the jail had their debt taken care of, but unless they each choose to walk out of the cell , the offer is no good.
Someone can choose to stay behind bars even though their debt was paid and they’re free to go.
The sin debt that was paid by Christ for all means nothing unless each person individually accepts and acts upon it.
@@danielbelteshazzar-mg7rb good grief 🙄
@@Smerm john 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
@@TheShadow.1
Yep it’s about belief not works
Jas 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
Erring from the truth will separate you from the life that is found in the truth. This is addressed to the unbeliever? NO! To the “Brethren;” that brethren who errs is now counted as a sinner (Because error in doctrine leads to sin [which separates us from God, always has always will ISA. 59:2] like in OSAS) that is in need of conversion. What is at stake? His rewards? NO! It is not his rewards that will be saved but his SOUL from eternal death.
Speaking of the nation of Israel and contrasting God’s severity in cutting them off from him and giving to them the means of salvation, that is Jesus Christ crucified because of sin, received at repentance (godly repentance that leads to a holy life and a deep sorrow for sin one has committed against God) Paul speaks here of the danger of pride in thinking, like the Jews did, that they can sin and still be God’s people
If people who oppose eternal security and once saved always saved by using the word follow that John 10:27 KJV talks about then start off reading verse 24 in John 10 KJV and end in verse 29 or 30 in John 10 KJV to prove that the word follow that verse 27 in John 10 KJV talks about is about belief, not following Jesus Christ by serving Jesus Christ in our lives.
The Christian that have a very close walk with Jesus believe that you can lose your salvation.
Yes, seals can be broken. The issue is the authority of who breaks them. Ephesians 1 says it's the Holy Spirits seal. That's God's seal. These same seals are in Revelation 5 and 6, where only Jesus Christ has the authority to break them. To say a person can break God's seal is pure theology. Only God can break His own seals, which means that God would take your eternal salvation away from you, not the other way around. Is this God's character? No.
And if God did take his eternal salvation away from a believer, not only would it make God capricious like man, it would also mean that God would take away a person's salvation based on their performance---in other words, their works, how often they can sustain with their obedience, which the Word said salvation not of works but faith and it is a gift. If a gift is something you could work for to obtain then it's no longer a gift. If a gift is something you have in your possession but you must work to keep it, then it's no different than working for a wage. Working for a wage is works, performing. I must work to mantain earning a wage, therefore, if you use this same logic with keeping your salvation, I must work to maintain this gift of salvation or else I no longer have it. Then it's no longer a gift.
@@brianseay8242 Agreed
Foreknowledge does not necessitate predetermination. In this story we see God knows the outcome of something that never happens. This for me was the nail in the coffin to calvinism.
1 Samuel 23:10-13
10 Then said David, O Lord God of Israel, thy servant hath certainly heard that Saul seeketh to come to Keilah, to destroy the city for my sake.
11 Will the men of Keilah deliver me up into his hand? will Saul come down, as thy servant hath heard? O Lord God of Israel, I beseech thee, tell thy servant. And the Lord said, He will come down.
12 Then said David, Will the men of Keilah deliver me and my men into the hand of Saul? And the Lord said, They will deliver thee up.
13 Then David and his men, which were about six hundred, arose and departed out of Keilah, and went whithersoever they could go. And it was told Saul that David was escaped from Keilah; and he forbare to go forth.
To me it seems like a strawman, that you have two choices. Wesley or calvin.
Its like.. no theres a third option, what saith the scriptures?
We can have free will agents under Gods sovereignty, and its a little mysterious but thats just fine.
I have to say that Christ warns us believers about apostrophizing. That means to leave your belief. And he also said to the disciples In the book of Luke he said, I tell you strive to enter the narrow gate,not all will enter the kingdom of heaven....
.. Christ told us if you believe on me. You can have eternal life and I will send you a comforter. And will never leave you nor forsake you. But he warns us clearly that we can reject the Holy Spirit after having been sealed as a matter of fact he said. It's better if you didn't receive the Holy Spirit because you can never be reestablished. I know that it's very hard for those who believed in once saved always saved. But the fact of the matter is you can reject the holy spirit after receiving it so it is literally once and done. You are
either born again and will show fruit or you will be born again and reject the Holy Spirit therefore spend eternity in the lake of fire.
I like your channel
The holy Spirit left Saul, yet this preacher says the holy spirit cant leave you
Should I trust this pastor of the bible.
13:44 I feel like you might be wrong here, from what I’ve heard it says no one can snatch or pluck you from the Father’s hand, but I don’t know if jumping out is the same as being snatched or plucked out.
Right on. The semantics are not there unless you pay attention to the fact that it says "no man can." This would include yourself.
- Trent
Another danger is that these fools will never lead a 7 year old child to Christ
Imprecatory prayer is a thing. Just saying. Wolves used to make me scared, now they simply make me angry enough to discuss them with my Father is very upset terms.
If you can; "jump out" of Christ then you never had Christ to begin with. Christ
made salvation on HIMSELF. So if one thinks that they can keep themselves
saved then they reject Christ altogether. The following areas of scripture explain
security in Jesus Chist - ALONE.
*Jude **1:24*
*Ephesians 4:30*
*John 3:15-16*
*Romans 8:38-39*
Works based salvation is never biblical. The Jews sacrificed animals and in the NT Jesus became a sacrifice for us.
Proverbs 12:25 NKJV
[25] Anxiety in the heart of man causes depression, But a good word makes it glad.
These conditionalists bring nothing but anxiety to the believer and produces doubts based on my own proformance. I thought the gospel was good news. I thought is was saved eternally by believing on the lord jesus christ apart from good works and profirmance
If you think, you can lose your salvation. Then you were 'never' saved in the first place. Because you never truly believed. It's not what you do. It's what Jesus did !!