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- John MacArthur claims that tests are a good show as proof that you are saved. Is this true? !!! This is not to degrade the man, but his message is false !!!
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Wasn’t Peter’s Faith tested when he denied Christ 3 times? Peter failed.
Exactly.
Same to Job , Abraham and many others.
Yes, and he did it again when he separated himself from converted gentiles by fear. ( Yes after the filling of the Spirit)
I think the 12 apostles haven't received the Holy Spirit yet that's why they failed.
They didn't trust Jesus with their lives because they thought Jesus failed to delivered them from Rome, but then after Jesus rose on the third day and appeared to them after that they believed and then they trusted their lives to Jesus and to follow him and listen to him because they believe he is the Christ
Hi Pastor Jesse, I'm so blessed everytime I hear your preaching. The clarity in the way you present the true gospel of Salvation is simply amazing. God bless you and your ministry.
I used to be fond of such a "spiritual" man. Then I couldn't understand why I felt like I needed a shower after watching a sermon. In April, I was introduced to GRACE and then it all made sense. At first I felt sorry for him, and now I know that he is a wolf in sheep's clothing. But what's worse than a wolf in sheep's clothing? A "shepherd." Try telling people about the false minister Billy Graham, or John MacArthur and you have a fight on your hands.
That is why Jesus called us to Him and not organised religion.
Amen Brother. John MacArthur wrote a book call, "Hard to be saved". In that book he made the statement, "It is not the words we speak, but the life we live that determines our eternal destiny."
HOG WASH. It is the life Jesus lived that saves us by grace. Second Corinthians 5:21. For He who knew no sin, became sin for us, so that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.
Thank God there are still those standing on the promises of God and calling out these false teachers.
See you in heaven brother. John 3:16-18. Romans 3:26-28. I have nothing to boast in except the finished work of Jesus on the cross. John 6:47. God cannot lie. John 6:40. John 5:24. Romans 1:16
AMEN!!!!!!
Bro. Jesse thank you for your passion of the Gospel😊
Thank you Jesse! You went to seminary and are making great use of your education!!! I could never articulate what you said very well in this clip! God bless you!
Jesus said, "The thief does not come, but to kill, steal, and destroy. I have come that you may have life, and have it more abundantly...." John 10:10
These Calvinist teachers are the most frustrating lot to listen to because of their error!
It grieves my heart that any believer would be living without the assurance of their salvation. And it grieves me even more when pastors actually are the cause of it. I am so grateful that God is raising up men of God like yourself who are battling Calvinism. It really has got to go. I recall reading about a situation with Jonathan Edwards of telling those assembled that they couldn't be saved unless they were "elect." This produced a horrible scene of people who heard this, who clearly wanted to be saved, but who were crying out and begging God to "choose" them so they could be saved.
Yes! We feel your grief. Thank you for your kind encouragement.
- Trent
They’re still saved. Simon is in heaven… his issue was desiring the same power of the apostles through the purchasing of it. Saved people still mess up; especially baby believers.
- Trent
Yes, surely saved people still have capacity to lie and do lie. It doesn’t mean it’s okay, but it surely happens. Your sin nature doesn’t go away after you believe.
The part of the believer that goes to heaven is the new spirit nature that is born of God. It doesn’t sin. We aren’t perfect! Every sin is condemned.
- Trent
Once saved always saved sounds like grace apart from works read your New Testament but this time with your eyes open and your brain engaged
The Calvanist view of the elect isn't far from the Jehovah's witness doctrine, the JW's just put a number on it.
I heard a message of MacArthur once and he said and I quote “unless you forsake all you have you can’t be his disciple, meaning you can’t be saved” end quote. Thats what he said. They never know how to rightly divide salvation and discipleship. How tragic because what leadership and influence he has with MANY and yet they are lead astray.
Isn't that the truth? Like to see him give up all those mansions and live a simple life! After all, isn't he supposed to sacrifice all that has and give it to the poor? L. A. is so impoverished... What about them?
so so good thanks once again for TRUTH May God Bless you in this day for speaking Truth.
Lord bless you, Pastor Martinez.
At 3:20, that is not what MacArthur teaches at all. Just those 30 seconds showed that you do not fully understand this topic and what MacArthur teaches and then you hop on TH-cam and "disprove" him or call him a "false teacher". Absolutely ridiculous.
In the great commission, we are commanded to go and make disciples (Matt 28:16-20). Not, go and make "believers". Disciples follow the way of Jesus and undergo progressive sanctification to conform to the perfect image of Christ. True believers are followers, and that's why they are baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Nowhere does that violate faith alone, WE ARE NOT SAVED BY KEEPING COMMANDMENTS OR GOOD WORKS! We are saved by the blood of Christ.
Jesse, I appreciate how you take off the gloves and call out these cult of personality Calvinist false teachers in a very clear, biblical manner. Thank you, we need more like you exposing false gospels and false versions of Christianity
Great teaching, my brother!
He is making people put faith in their faith instead of in Christ!
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Hahahhahahhahahahahagagagga
You've clearly never listened to McArthur
We have listened to multiple sermons as well as read his works. Respond with some substance.
- Trent
Thanks Jesse and Trent.
Calvanism is ILLOGICAL, you have to persevere to the end, BUT you are the elect, chosen to go to heaven from the beginning, so you were never in danger of hell fire even before you were born and well before you know you were saved, (you were born again BEFORE THE FLESH BIRTH,) even though you were always saved cause you are the elect, but you can never know you’re the elect, you have to try and live a perfect life in the flesh to prove you are the elect, so you don’t really have to persevere cause you were always saved, you can just test your faith to figure out for yourself and prove to others if you are possibly one of the elect. AND HENCE, why you can never know and always have that fear that you may of deceived yourself and you may not be one of the elect and go to hell.
What a depressing way to live.
There is a video online of RC Sproul just before his death, himself talking about that he may of deceived himself and not be one of the elect and what he’ll do if he does end up in hell, that would be soooo scary that you’re pastor doesn’t know and he’s so righteousness and learned so how could you know, that is not good news. It’s great you guys are calling out this wicked theology.
If I find the video I’ll send a link, it’s jaw dropping and sad. But they need to be called out, preach another gospel be accursed.
GOD BLESS
I believe the persevering to the end referred to the saints during the 66-70 AD civil/,Roman war as the Olivet Discourse was about this time, NOT in the future.
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Jesus says it’s the latter days. There are details in Matthew 24-25 that have NOT been fulfilled yet.
- Trent
It’s the perpetual never ending circle… of doubt. Horrible way to live.
Awesome video guys ❤️🙏 GOD bless y'all.
Awesome! Thanks Jesse
So clear and precise and makes absolute logical sense Jesse. I believe God intended for it to be plain and clear. Not confusing and frustrating like so many other false doctrines. Calvinism is just so frustratingly confusing, so much mental gymnastics to try and make any sense of it. I think that itself should have sirens going off that it is false teaching
Tha supernatural Faith McArthur proclaims is a faith that has been imputed into you by God because you are one of the chosen. It’s sick and disgusting. God sent His Son for everyone! It’s so very unfortunate that not everyone wants to accept the gift.
Amen! God bless you! Keep exposing these false prophets!
Thank you Pastor ! Keep exposing false teachers. These people are enemies of the cross. what's wrong with them? it is written everywhere that salvation comes from God and He gives it (salvation) as A GIFT, and all sinners receive it BY FAITH ALONE.
In 2008 in an answer and question format JMac said if you get the mark of the beast you can be saved...I don't see that in the book of Revelation and I think that its adding to the book...oh no oh no
We found that clip. Reacting to it down the road!
- Trent
Calvinism must certainly come straight from the pit of hell! Calvinists, such as John MacArthur, are always having to add words and phrases to the Bible, to try and prove their false theology... because what they teach is not Biblical!
"Super natural" faith to a Calvinist means that they were given faith. They think the regeneration precedes faith in Christ.
Which is insanity. They trust TULIP more than the Bible. Eph. 1:12-14. “Trusted in Christ” THEN “sealed with the Spirit.”
- Trent
Thankyou for preaching the clear gospel. I used to listen to these false teachers and they can wreck the assurance of a believer and cripple them with fear and doubt. John 6:38-40
Yes! God bless you Jeremy. Thank you for your support.
- Trent
@@BibleLineThe assurance is from God. Faith is what pleases God. Our faith will be tested. No ones faith is not tested and most of us fail but He is faithful and patient and longsuffering. Galatians 5:22
Hello I like to ask If somebody can explain me that all means past present and future sins was forgiven ?I thought that only past was forgiveven.After we start belive we have to make repentance for all sins we do.Im wrong ?
How does the once saved always saved receive the Holy Spirit.
One receives the Holy Spirit, Acts 2 vs 38.
where is the actual link to this speech or sermon to which you are reacting to. Or the actual Tittle?
We have the Facebook reel in the bio, but digging out the sermon is difficult. I can try to find it. Most of our react content is sent by our viewers.
- Trent
You Bes not question one of the theological masters. RC Sproul said the same thing, so is is he in error as well. No.
These people have a hard time with assurance because they listen to the word of poeple like john macarthur instead of the word of God.
Ya know, while listening to this this morning, guess who popped into my mind? The Ethiopian eunuch. After receiving salvation, where did he go? He went back to serving his owner. And Philip never warned him not to do so.
EXCELLENT!
JMac is a "Works-based"/"Lordship Salvation" Calvinists (Only a random pre-chosen some will irresistibly turn to Christ, consequently all others have been arbitrarily preordained to destruction by God's divine decree...& you better persevere/perform or you're not one of the elect). That's another gospel.
MacArthur is quite sadly reprobate concerning the faith.
There is no assurance of salvation if you're a Calvinist! How would you know if you are one of the "elect"!? Thats why they always look to their works.
Does our Father in heaven reward as believers if believers preach the gospel like what Matthew 28:19-20, Mark 16:15, Acts 1:8, and John 20:21 in the KJV bible says?
This my favorite pastor
Have you done a video on Romans 11:17-22 area where Paul talks about the grafting in and out of Jews and Gentiles? I just listened to IThink Biblically and he says that definitevly disproves OSAS. He is obviously wrong because anyone who believes on Jesus is immediately given eternal life. I would like to hear your thoughts on what Paul is teaching in this passage. Thank you.
It’s on the chopping block. Lots of content in our future. Getting to filming is the part that takes time haha!
Short answer:
This portion is not about being cut off from salvation. Notice ALL Israel was set to the side for the Gentiles to come into play. God isn’t finished with Israel - please don’t misconstrue me - but it’s about his choosing for a purpose. Majority Israel rejected and rejects him today, so they were “cut off” from being used to continue his purpose. God would now use the body of Christ (the church - those who believe) to carry out his work. This doesn’t mean many Jews stopped being saved… The warning is to the Church (Jew and Gentile) that we should be careful as believers to not make the same mistakes as Israel did.
The portion of scripture from Romans 9-11 need be carefully and slowly examined. There is no tenant of Calvinism or Catholicism found on this passage. There is only cherry-picking to form doctrines and traditions of men.
- Trent
Thank you for your speedy reply Trent! I completely agree and people tend to comeup with these erroneous interpretations because they do not believe the simple Gosepl of believing on CHrist alone for salvstion and that eternal life means forever. And anti-semite Steven Anderson insists there is no national salvation for Israel when Romans 11:26 says All Israel shall be saved. Seems pretty clear. @@BibleLine
Exactly. God is most definitely not done with Israel! The entire tribulation prophecy is predominantly concerning Israel. Thank you for holding fast to the word of God. We’ll keep bringing content!
- Trent
Dude, you totally pasted that John M. sequence together to make him say what he supposedly said in this clip. WOOOOOT... I dare you to face him with your concern mano e mano. Then let's see who reacts to who.
The link is in the description. We were sent it from a friend. We would gladly chat with him.
- Trent
My point is, this is not the kind of thing JM would say.@@BibleLine
He said it though. He believes this alongside the TULIP doctrines. He’s a total works-proof salvation Calvinist.
- Trent
So you don't think that if you are saved that your life should show it? Doesn't the Bible support this concept? Both 1st and 2nd Peter are full of this idea, unless I didn't understand what I read, which is always possible.@@BibleLine
A believer’s life should show it, but the life they live is not a proof they are saved. Jesus Christ’s shed blood is proof in saved. I believed, therefore I am saved. 1 John 5:10-13
- Trent
Dear Mr Mcarthur. Please Please Please STOP.. PS.. Please STOP
MacArthur is very proud of his works.
Good one!
assurence comes from putting your trust in the blood of Jesus Christ, what else do you need, nothing, wow this guy John Mac is dangerous, please everyone pray for John Mac, so his eyes will be open.
John 1 has a great test to see if your in the faith. I've never heard of using Peter first. I've never doubted my salvation because I've been born again. My heart has been regenerated.
Practical Sanctification ( Christian life) nothing to do with salvation!!
Should I make decision to love my brother and will Holy spirit produce love in my heart to love my brother without I make decision to love my brother?
Pastor
You have a choice to make in loving your brother. You choose to walk in the Spirit. It’s commanded according to scripture: Gal. 5:16-17, 1 John 4:10-12
- Trent
To be fair in this statement as you go through life and your faith is tested it will grow McArthurs use of it for assurance is a contradiction though when your faith is tested it definitely becomes more real for you the more it is tested
Thank you for the videos! Can you link the podcast? I’m having trouble finding it but would love to listen. Thank you!
You can search “BibleLine” on Spotify, Google, Apple or whatever podcasting platform you listen to.
We should appear. If not, please let me know.
- Trent
That worked! I was using the name of the pastor before. Thank you!@@BibleLine
Paul says anyone who preaches any other gospel but Christ and Him crucified is accursed. I wonder if McArthur is one one of those? If so, he'll be one of those who hears, 'depart from me, I never knew you".
12:20 he said that's a lack of assurance. Assurance=faith so yes the person never had it to begin with. He didn't forget, he's the one that would forsake, abandon and apostasize in his heart because he never had assurance. How could one have assurance and forget? I think its imposiible ? 🤔
That's is not what is being said.
When a believer lives in sin they can forget assurance
I think also because sin leads to more sins and a believer can get so far down in sin that they forget that they are a believer becoming lukewarm and not being useful and losing fellowship with GOD
Also GOD will take away their peace and joy from them they can actually go further because of their mindset and become insane as well I believe.
We all need peace and joy.
If GOD takes that away life will feel really numb , cold , dark and lonely.
Even though we still have The Holy Spirit we will still suffer loss.
As believers we are Saved. But would be losing more on earth and loss of Rewards in Heaven.
Remember as Believers if we're being disobedient we can get sick or lose our life early but still be saved.
There is no such thing as " evidence of being saved or salvation"
It's if a person believe that Jesus Christ alone paid for all their sins past present future through Jesus's Death Burial and Resurrection . Of what Jesus did on The Cross by shedding of His Powerful Innocent Precious Blood that they have Everlasting life.
If they believe that then they are Saved forever. Heaven bound and can be with The Savior Jesus Christ forever.
I think you should look up what apostate means it is not the same as reprobate .
Apostate means that someone who believes fell away from The Faith. But not going to hell.
Reprobate is someone who never believed at all on Jesus Christ. These people are headed for destruction.
I myself ( fell away) but came back. Read in The Bible on the PRODIGAL son.
I am a believer
I am a child of GOD
I am on my way to Heaven forever.
Because I had put my faith / trust and belief in what Jesus Christ did for me on The Cross by His death, burial ,Resurrection and the shedding of His Powerful Innocent Precious Blood on the cross as the payment for all my sins past, present ,future.
Because I BELIEVE
I know that I have EVERLASTING/ ETERNAL LIFE. 🐑
Praise and Thanks to GOD. ❤️🙏🙌🙌
Romans 8:33-39 can sink in. POWERFUL.
We must read Scripture in context always.
James says if a man has faith and not works can that faith save him, he’s talking about Salvation not a faith that’s useless to men
The context in James is not salvation. The question is to be asked: “save him from what?”
Hellfire? No
Judgment? Yes
Cf 1 Cor. 3:10-16
- Trent
@@BibleLine yeah but the statement about Abraham being justified by his works takes on more meaning then the context of the book. I don’t think it’s honest to say that the context determines every thing contained in the book, John’s gospel is written so that people may believe yet we don’t say that’s only for unbelievers and dismiss everything in it. I am reformed and I feel like your representation of the reformed position is not honest. I don’t believe I’m justified by works I believe I’m justified by faith but a true faith will seek to obey, if someone has no desire to obey then we don’t say obey or your not justified we address the belief, have they truly believed on Christ, that’s the point of what James is talking about and compares mere mental assent to demon faith. Demons believe Christ died for sins but they are not justified. Demons even tremble and they know more about God than us yet they are not justified. It’s just as bad as reformed people saying arminians believe they are justified by works by believing on their own, i don’t think that’s true. You demonize a whole group of sincere believers through your teaching. We ought to be seeking unity. Not more division.
I would rather say I trust in Jesus for the life he promised us to those who believe in him. Everlasting life.
Salvation is Gods free gift to us so we need to receive it. As sinful human beings we stand condemned to perish for eternity, only by receiving everlasting life can one receive salvation from eternal punishment. Jesus is the Son of God, the promised Christ, who died on the cross for our sin and rose again, he removed the sin barrier between us and God, so that everyone who believes in Him shall, never perish but, have everlasting life. His promise to those who believe in Him for it, is that you shall, never perish, never hunger, never thirst, never come into judgement and have everlasting life. God said it. Believe it.
Romans 6:23
John 1:12
John 3:16-17
John 6:35
Romans 4:20-22
I’d like to know more about such tests that supposedly prove one is saved.
What kind of tests are required? Exactly how many? How long should they last ? and so on.
This is sad as it misleads believers to place their trust in their works instead of His his finished work and unbelievers to misunderstand that salvation is a free gift already paid for. Regardless, in both it can cause undo and maybe overwhelming dread that either they’re not saved( but are ) or just never accept Christ because it leaves them with a burden to big to carry because “ when is it good enough to give assurance?” ( and they remain lost, thinking it’s up to them and it’s unattainable.
There can be a Christian who comparatively has less struggles and testing than another Christian who has more yet both are saved because it’s about faith and the object of that faith : Jesus and not Self.
Faith as a grain of mustard seed. Faith as a child.
Hmmm
It isn’t a battle hardened 30 year faith in your perseverance that saves…
- Trent
@@BibleLine 🎯
I think he deleted his comment. Lol
We must believe in the assurance from God.
What we must knkw is that our faith will be tested and we have all doubted. That a for sure.
I’ve never viewed being tested in this way. God already knows whether or not you’ll do A or B. But YOU don’t know.
Jesus told Peter he would deny him three times and Peter didn’t believe it because there is no WAY he would ever do that.
Jesus knew Peter, but Peter didn’t know himself, so he was tested and it was revealed to him.
It might even be that when Satan asked to sift Peter, it was actually the days after this moment. I mean, he rejects Christ, whom he loves 3 times and right after he does it, he looks up and Jesus is staring at him. They never even got to speak, because Jesus was being taken to be tortured and killed.
I would have been suicidal… Now THAT’S some sifting. Crazy…
But… now Peter knows.
the more i look at it, if a person loses faith in Jesus in terms of trusting Him in salvation, then it's either from a lack of trust, or a corrupt gospel was preached.
I’ve also read this part of 1 Peter. Honestly, I could see that this passage is referring to those who has true faith in Christ when it comes to trusting in His work on the cross. Many people believe on Christ for the wrong reasons. They might believe in Christ thinking it’ll get them rich, thinking they’ll have good health, thinking life will be easier. They come to Christ due to their own fleshly desires. And when a trial hits, they walk away because their fleshly desire isn’t getting fulfilled. Why do you see people who walk away from God cause they believed in a prosperity gospel someone preached to them, or they had a false assumption of what the gospel and life with Jesus offered.
Real Christian’s believe on Christ simply for salvation and nothing else. Not for fleshly desires. They understand that their life can honestly take a hard left even after putting faith in Christ.
Im open to rebuke, but as I said before, many put their faith in Christ for the wrong motives. They think life will be sweet but thats only the flesh talking.
I’m still not onboard with the Calvinism thing however. The flatly definition of Calvinism makes no sense.
I don't know who you are, but you are not making sense in what you are saying! It is evidence you are saved by proof in the way your life continue. It is the the power that God enables you!
There is no such thing as " evidence of being saved or salvation"
That is called"fruit checking/ fruit inspecting"
It is either you believe in Jesus Christ alone or not. Period
It's if a person believe that Jesus Christ alone paid for all their sins past present future through Jesus's Death Burial and Resurrection . Of what Jesus did on The Cross by shedding of His Powerful Innocent Precious Blood that they have Everlasting life.
If they believe that then they are Saved forever. Heaven bound and can be with The Savior Jesus Christ forever.
I think you should look up what apostate means it is not the same as reprobate .
Apostate means that someone who believes fell away from The Faith. But not going to hell.
Reprobate is someone who never believed at all on Jesus Christ. These people are headed for destruction.
I myself ( fell away) but came back. Read in The Bible on the PRODIGAL son.
I am a believer
I am a child of GOD
I am on my way to Heaven forever.
Because I had put my faith / trust and belief in what Jesus Christ did for me on The Cross by His death, burial ,Resurrection and the shedding of His Powerful Innocent Precious Blood on the cross as the payment for all my sins past, present ,future.
Because I BELIEVE
I know that I have EVERLASTING/ ETERNAL LIFE. 🐑
Praise and Thanks to GOD. ❤️🙏🙌🙌
Romans 8:33-39 can sink in. POWERFUL.
It is not up to us to save ourselves.
For the wages of sin is death.
No one is good no not one.
Jesus Christ was The Perfect Sacrifice for sins
we can't earn Salvation.
we can't be good enough.
We cannot lose, earn, or no such thing as "evidence of being saved "
We are Saved by Grace Alone through Faith Alone in Christ Alone nothing more nothing less.
No one could keep the law the ten commandments.
That was the main purpose of Jesus Christ dying for all our sins past present future.
We have to be PERFECT LIKE GOD TO GET TO HEAVEN
Guess what ?
Were not perfect
If you commit one sin then you guilty of them all .
Who are you putting your trust and Faith in yourself or JESUS CHRIST/ GOD ?
If someone feels they have to "work or be good enough to be saved" then that ideal only leads them to destruction because they either don't trust Christ at all or they don't trust Christ Alone with adding obedience, good behavior and works to Salvation.
Wow, what a hurtful thing to say to a babe in Christ. It is like a father abandoning a child. 😢
😂😂😂
@@Sergio-xs7zq what is so funny?
@@seannickerson5730 John MacArthur is like the antichrist to charismatics
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So good! So clear! Thank you for exposing false teaching with the truth of the Bible. Our salvation is not determined on feelings or passing tests but on the authority of God’s word
Is it ok to accept and learn from a NIV MacArthur Study Bible, or should I return it to the person who brought me to the Lord?
Frankly, the NIV is a watered-down elementary school, superficial presentation of the Greek text. So very loosely "translated" with not too subtly imposed elements of doctrinal presupposition. The NASB, on the other hand, is arguably the most literal version available aside from a Greek-English interlinear version. Keep in mind that any and all "commentaries" are nothing more than that: COMMENTaries. MacArthur is adequate if you are a 5-point Calvinist, a Dispensationalist, and a Cessationist. You can do much better.
@@georgefisher8610 Ok. Thanks for your help. I hope that I don’t hurt my friend’s feelings when I return it, but honesty is the best policy; especially if I want to call myself a follower of Jesus. No point starting off on the wrong foot.
NASB; no commentary. Got it. 👍🙏
Do you think that the Presbyterian Church is a good place to help me understand the bible, or should I go it alone so that I don’t get confused by other people’s teachings?
@@georgefisher8610 PS. Can I ask you what you mean by 5 Point Calvinist, Dispensationalist and Cessationist.
Are they different churches like Catholic, Presbyterian, Mormon, JWs, Muslim, Baptist, etc?
Goodness, there are a lot to choose from.
@djpodesta May I get back to you a bit later, say, tomorrow? I am at work on a short break. I will be happy to explain those terms. As far as the NIV, you might keep it as an occasional reference. It will give you something of the "gist" of a passage for the time being... As a quick note, however, those three categories" refer to some doctrinal issues, which while certainly important are not vital at this point to your understanding, appreciating, and following the gospel in His footsteps. Blessings, and take care.
@@georgefisher8610 Thanks George. I appreciate you taking the time to share with me.
I will also look up the terms to see what you mean as I am curious about how the Christians can allow this MacArthur person to explain their bible if he is a false teacher.
I imagine that there should be Christian guidelines to ensure that everybody understands the same thing. Hmmm, but given that there are all these different names of churches, maybe God allows people the freedom to believe what they want, as long as they say the prayer and feel bad about what happened to Jesus.
It is funny how everybody seems to say that following Jesus is straight forward, but it seems a little more complicated than that. I guess they only say that so that they get you in the door of their church.
I will be asking my friend about the things that I learnt today because she just said that I was to pray, repent from my current world view, read the bible and go to a good church. She goes to the Presbyterian Church, so I just assumed that it must be ok, as she is a very honest person. But now I remember all these other church names.
You’re another Charles Finney, and Billy Sunday come say a the sinner’s prayer and you never council them. You go to Dennys after church.
I don't mean to sound like a Calvinist, but this was excellent supraexegesistalism.
Lol
Is MacArthur a Calvinist ?
Lordship Salvation with Calvinism essentially. He leans on Calvinist teachings, but he’ll often mix in Lordship views too. They basically go hand in hand
- Trent
Never trust a Calvinist!!!
Amen YAH bless you. John Macarthur is a false teacher
What side are you batting for?
Mt. 5:13 - 5:16,
Did not our Lord say those things about doing good works?
How about James, Jesus' half Brother?James 2:26 " For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." All through the Bible good works are encouraged. Why are you grandstanding and besmurching the very word of God? Remember the parable of the bridegroom and the ones that came late to the wedding because their lamps went
out?
Are you a Pastor that will purposefully deceive these people?
Repent and do right!
Jesus commanded believers to do good works and not to unbelievers . James is written to believers on how they should do work towards man. This book has nothing To do with salvation but sanctification. Sinners can't be justified by having Faith towards MAN BUT GOD. The parable of the 10 virgins has nothing to do with the church age believers. The church was a mystery at the time. It has to do with the nation of Israel at the second coming. Pastor Martinez will be rewarded for defending THE GOSPEL OF GRACE, the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross+NOTHING. Only Him crucified
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I like that you hide yourself while you muddle your way.
Please understand that Jesus spoke that Parable about his wedding feast.
(Heaven)
What did Jesus say after Peter said that Jesus was the Son of God? "Upon this rock I will build my Church"?
The Church wasn't a mystery to the followers of "The Way".
What Bible do you read?
May I suggest instead of defending someone who is misleading you and instead, reading the word of God?
I pray for your peace and understanding, have you heard that the Lord reproves those he wants to save?
@@tonysynnott9875 can you see that Jesus says I will ( The future tense) my church? He used the future tense describing the church, meaning she was not there yet, otherwise Jesus would have used past tense . The church was born on the day of Pentecost, after the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross, and after the coming of The Holy Spirit, when Jesus is already in heaven. At the time he was still on earth and in his earthly body. Salvation is a free gift, not rewards for any behavior. The lord rebukes his children, not unbelievers.
“Grandstanding.”
“Besmurching.”
“Hiding.”
“Repent and do right!”
Wowzers! Did God send you to give us trials? Let the word speak if you’re that confident in your feelings about us.
Yes works are encouraged, but works never save. Jesus Christ saves. Eph. 2:8-9.
The parable of the wedding has to do with the Kingdom. We are not in the kingdom, but we are in the body of Christ. Paul discerns this clearly in Eph. 3.
Salvation is not a bunch of litmus tests, trials and tribulations to see if we somehow make it by the end of our lives. MacArthur’s buddy Sproul found out that didn’t give him any assurance.
There is only assurance through the blood of the Savior Jesus Christ. We believe that Jesus Christ died, was buried and is risen again. There is salvation in none other. Acts 4:12, 13:38-39. Works play NO part in salvation. Otherwise you make yourself your savior. Titus 3:5, Gal. 2:16.
- Trent
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Oh my goodness,
"You will know them by their fruits"...
What then was the work that Jesus did with his deciples during his ministry on Earth? The whole Bible, every jot and tiddle is about our Lord and his attributes.
Jesus didn't preach the new Teatament.
Go to Genesis and see him there, he is "The word of God."
The great thing about the Internet is - everyone can have a say.
The bad thing about the Internet is - everyone can have a say.
Indeed. What say ye?
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For this reason I bow my knees before the Father, from whom every family in heaven and on earth is named, that He would give you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with power through His Spirit in the inner man, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; and that you, being firmly rooted and grounded in love, may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and height and depth, and to know the love of Christ which surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled up to all the fullness of God.
Now to Him who is able to do far more abundantly beyond all that we ask or understand, according to the power that works within us, to Him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus to all generations forever and ever. Amen
(Ephesians 3:14-21) LSB
Well I love that scripture! I’m just unsure if you’re saying it because you agree with us or because you agree with MacArthur! Forgive me 🤣
- Trent
@@BibleLine Brother Trent, seems my lot in life is to generate questions. Quoting the LSB is a hint. I’d like to review the video again before further exchange. We’re both probably busy tomorrow but I’ll find time to provide a meaningful response. Blessings!
McArthur is a wolf in sheep's clothing and a wolf in sheep's clothing IS NOT A SHEEP
You clewrly dont know what tulip. Tulip is an acronym for where arminius and calvin disagreed.
mac is wrong billy is wrong piper is wrong everyone is wrong. Mean while in isreal........
We talked about Israel on Wednesday service. Check it out in our Live section!
- Trent
If you do not understand sovereign election, it has not been revealed to you. Perhaps you need to pray about it.
Free will is the ultimate show of sovereignty by God. Shameful to believe God picks and chooses who goes to heaven and who goes to hell. How do you really know? You don’t according to TULIP.
The scripture is clear. 1 John 5:10-13
- Trent
Assurance is unforsakable faith. Can you think of a scenario where you could forsake or apostasize. If the answer is never then you are saved by grace through faith. 👍
“Unforsakable faith.”
“Whatsoever is not of faith; to him it is sin.” - why does the Bible say this to believers? As though there may be a time in which they lose faith.
Every time you sin is a lapse of faith. You aren’t trusting in Him when you sin.
- Trent
@BibleLine Actions or lack of actions are separated from what faith is? For example: I can have faith that I'm really alive but still risk my life. I can have faith in my son even though he lives a lifestyle I'm opposed of. Faith is only that and no actions required like baptism, circumcision, not eating certain food, Stopping certain sins. Faith is paramount over actions or lack of actions according to the Bible (imo) but it must be assured. God wants his son fully assured in him with unseeing faith. Imo he never forsakes you if you don't him and lifestyle is different from faith but it has consequences. Reap what you sow imo 👍
Past sins - yes, present sins - yes
Future sins NOOOOOO
Jas 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
This would mean that the future sins forgiven when born again have to be forgiven a second time, when they are committed
You were in the future when Jesus died. His sacrifice is an eternal sacrifice. James 5:15 is about healing sick people who have been sinning. They get sick cuz they’ve sinned. Therefore the elders pray over them in hopes the Lord may heal them.
Jesus died for all sin. He doesn’t withhold his payment until tomorrow comes on the calendar as today. Are you kidding me? You were 2000 years separated when he died for you.
- Trent
2Pe 1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
Mat 6:14-15 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: (15) But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
@@BibleLine "They get sick cuz they’ve sinned" - impossible to do this if they were already forgiven
1Jn 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
Gal 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
No need to do this, since he was already forgiven
I dint even know where you get off making these wild and innacurrate statements about what McArthur believes. There are verses in timothy that warn about people lke you.
How do you know the warning is not concerning men like MacArthur?
He preaches a false gospel, and he condemns himself by his own teachings.
His “gospel” requires works, trials and discipleship as a “proof” that one is saved. There is no “proof” that one is saved through your own good works.
Jesus Christ did the work. You believe it. You’re saved. Full stop. 1 John 5:10-13.
- Trent
@BibleLine no, he does NOT preach salvation by works in the SLIGHTEST. I can't even begin to fathom what you've listened to that makes you spout such a false accusation. Go listen to his teachings on galatians! You're also clearly uneducated on calvinism and have only studied counter points. I'll have a phone conversation with you if you want, but to go on and argue on comments further proves my point about the warning in thimothy. If McArthur preached salvation by works I would have stopped listening to anything he had to say decades ago.
@BibleLine goodness gracious. I am flabbergasted. Salvation is by faith. True saving faith produces good works. Macarthur was simply saying that if someone struggles with assurance that they've not seen the fruit of their salvation. That fruit is never more clearly put on display than when you're being tested, so to speak. Our salvation is by faith in Christ and nothing else, but I challenge you to produce the proof of YOUR salvation. Show me the certificate. It's only natural that as human beings left to struggle with our nature, which God uses both to remind of who we were/are and as punishment for what we've done/doing, that we would question if we are truly saved or not. Salvation in the bible is explained in many different ways, even by Christ, because not one physical and temporal example can do it justice. Those who God justifies manifest it through faith, perseverance, and obedience in sanctification. Not in a synergistic way as if it was dependent on us, but also not devoid our choice to exercise and express the new life.