OSW/DIY DD FFB Kit Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ย. 2015
- This kit features the "small" Midge Servo Motor. Essentially a plug and play kit, with a required firmware flash. Great DD FFB feel!. I really like this kit. Look below for video segment links. Here's an email for Joe he is selling OSW parts and kits, ssmfgx1@gmail.com
Video: • OSW/DIY DD FFB Kit Review
Intro: • OSW/DIY DD FFB Kit Review
Controller Encloser: • OSW/DIY DD FFB Kit Review
Midge Motor: • OSW/DIY DD FFB Kit Review
Kit cabling: • OSW/DIY DD FFB Kit Review
Granity Interface: • OSW/DIY DD FFB Kit Review
MMos Interface: • OSW/DIY DD FFB Kit Review
Wheel Phasing: • OSW/DIY DD FFB Kit Review
Driving: • OSW/DIY DD FFB Kit Review
Final Thoughts: • OSW/DIY DD FFB Kit Review
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If simracing were a religion, Barry would be our Jesus
More likely the Devil due the $ I spent seeing his videos
thanks for the video Barry love the way you present things !
So much useful information. Simply the best as always.
As always, excellent review. I've read hundred of pages regarding the OSW, but this is the only place where I can finally see visualizations of what's being talked about in the forum. Thank you Barry for the efffort. I'm assuming from your carefully worded statement, this small mige has better feel than the Accuforce.
man what a video, I have been following you for a bit now, great detail. this looks like the way to go, and I have a g27 with all the whistles I can throw at it. very cool
A really good and informative review, thank you for you honesty :D
Hi Barry,
Just wanted to stop by and say a big thank you for making these videos. These are excellent in depth reviews, which answer all the relevant and important questions and even more. I love that you aren't afraid of opening up things and go into detailed technical stuff. Your channel is one of a kind! Hope you never change the format, cause it's really entertaining and informative.
If I'm allowed to add, I'm extremely jealous of your beautifully set up workshop. 😀 A true dreamland for any man!
Thanks for the comments! Yes, I am very lucky to have the work shop that I do. Especially now since I made my move to the new house. I spend most of my waking hours in there, as you can probably imagine...
Awesome review Barry, thanks!
Great work Barry! The only thing that seems even remotely odd was the USB interface with it's exposed components.
This guy is Bob Ross on SimRacer can not stop watching. Nice vídeo pal!
Who dislikes this?!!!
Man!
I was totally lost in OSW, but now after watching these videos its all so clear!
This is the only video ive seen (in english) that explain the things for a noob like me.
What do i need? How to set it up? etc etc...
Thanx for for this! Now need to fill my wallet. :-)
From what I understand it used to be a really tedious experience, having to do everything yourself, that's entirely not the case any more.
The absolute easiest route I've come to find out (as of yet at least) is to buy the Sim-plicity SW20, it's a next to complete OSW based on the small MiGe motor (seems to be one of the most popular ones), the only thing you need to buy on top of it is the actual wheel, and you can easily find an old MOMO or Motamec wheel for cheap. That's as far as the wheel goes at least, you still need to supply pedals and a shifter, and a button box if that's what you want. I haven't got one myself yet, but I will probably get the sim-gear.co.uk Big Box. Supposedly has great paddle shifters, and there's plenty of controls so you won't have to nitpick between the most important functions you want to map to your wheel.
If you buy the Sim-plicity SW20 you get the complete package as far as motor-wise goes, the cables, the control unit, everything AS WELL AS a freaking Skype-session guiding you through the installation, should you need it. How cool is that!? I'm so hyped I just can't contain myself, I won't be getting one myself for at least a few months but eventually when I do, haha oh man I'm giggling like a little school girl thinking about it.
Oh nice! Thanx for the sim gear link... nice affordable shifters indeed.
Yes i was looking at Sim-plicity site.(thanx) And now i see a new 12Nm motor. Same price as 20 but i guess its more then enough for me.
When i watch vids of 20Nm nobody put it on full power. So i guess thats a go for me the 12Nm. Im not that of a strong guy and my FFB isnt that high in game.
And yes HYPED as well overhere... Have fun with your pursage in the future with DD!
I need to fill my wwallet first... But when it is?! Oh man!!!!!!!
I like the Kimi quote in the top of the rig
Just got my osw all together a few days ago using ioni, i love it, best wheel i've used!
whats the price of one of these?
Congrats! I can remember the first time I drove my DD wheel. It's something that you have to experience for yourself to truly understand.
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osw is the way! thanks Barry great review as usual
With the upcoming Argon Firmware 2.0 the Mige motor will feel smoother. I already tested the beta with the bigger Mige. If that is still not smooth enough, you can enable setpoint smoothing. This will add about 6ms input lag but it really feels great.
The grey and blue connector is called "speakon". It's meant for audio power amp and it's really a good connector! reliable, solid, standard and cheap.
I've been running OSW Simucube small MiGE for three months now and all I can say is Wow, yes I am in heaven! If you can afford it..It is highly recommended for all sim racing enthusiast.
Thanks!!!!
YOU ARE THE BEST
Great!
just awesome barry. My OSW will coming shortly, large MiGE argon driven, being build by Ben Darley at the moment
+Azril Nazli Alias will you give me your Accuforce then? :)
+Azril Nazli Alias What did it cost you the parts and the assembly by Ben?
+ahmbouth ha ha....that Accuforce is another different animal..I did injured my shoulder on 1st week with AF
+Aireisor simracing n drifting better you email ben directly at racepaint05@gmail.com . I choose quite an expensive route ( using argon )
+Azril Nazli Alias
hi,Mr.Azril,Congratulate you own osw.
I also use argon and big mige, but initialization MMos tool has been unsuccessful, and so you get osw cound you share your settings approach?
Great Review Barry as always. Will you be reviewing the New Leo Bondar Simsteering2 in the near future? There the looks to be some really good changes/improvements over the last version. There also is an iracing mode would love to see what that is about.
Great review, lots of info for the first time buyer; unbiased and informative, I have a similar kit being delivered next week, thanks.
can i just ask..... where do you buy your t-shirts????
Great review as always Barry! Wish I knew you needed a Lenze, u could have used mine! Can you comment on the Kollmorgen? compared to the Lenze?
Hey Barry, thanks so much for the video. Until this, I hadn't really investigated direct drive at all. Now that I'm sold on DD, I want to build my own. Would you be open to a brief chat to answer some questions? I don't need to ask anything technical...just have some general questions about the direct drive options you know of. Thanks very much.
Nice video as always ! Very informative. So how much does one of those kits cost ?
hey there Barry, so instead of buying the Fanatec wheel base. This system will be best for to long haul? thanks
Hi Barry, any chance you can do a review of this wheel with other games other than iracing? Some of the current excellent titles like, assetto corsa, project cars and dirt rally. We all know how great this wheel is with iRacing. But is the software currently capable enough to fine tune the settings for these other sims outputting a very different signal to the osw wheel? I already have a d-box and GS-4 motion system which I feel is giving me a lot of the cues of what I need to know the car is doing. The wheel becomes less important of a sim hardware other than to simulate the steering rack forces accurately. Would you also recommend an osw otherwise If I'm already heavily invested in a lifeline Quick release system on all my steering wheels?
If the Mige motor is slightly below the German offering, is it safe to say the Mige is the equal of the Accuforce? Accuforce vs Mige, who comes out on top?
Hello, how do you compare that DD to the accuforce?
So basically if I want to use this for ETS2 I can simply set the wheel to 1200 degrees?
Hi there I was wondering there is much difference between m 10010 and m15015 ? The servo motor . Is it worthed to get the biggest motor? Or the small 1 would been enaught? Thk u.
Hi Barry, what audio system you use? It sounds great!
hi barry i remember in the comparison video that u said u will build your own osw with kollmorgen motor like the bodnars.are u gonna make this project because im very much intresting to see that and building one my self to be honest.
Thank for the video. I got too ans OSw wheel with 30Nm force max after i saw u test on direct drive ffb. no doubt direct drive is an other world (u arms can tell it after 10 min session of race) Could you share your settings in MMos Firmware and in Iracing FFB setup ? Thanks
I don't see why you can't cut a hole in that spacer for the quick connect, and run a cable in the gap between the mounting bolts.
Hi Barry. I’m teying to build this but can’t find the plans. Any help?
Oh gee... I think my CSW V2 is going up for sale lol
so i hear talk that you can over clock the motor to 25 nm and get the best of both worlds of the large motor and the small motor. another know more about this statement?
I am curious to know if we may encounter any driver (software) issue or/and incompatibility with any particular games using an OSW kit like this. The comments are always positive though.
Also wanting to know this because I want to buy my first FFB wheel aka building this OSW, but considering it has a 'controller' calibration through PC/motion joy, it will act as a normal controller so maybe it works with literally every game? If it doesn't you can simulate it using a program called xpadder possibly?
I would love to hear how these wheels compare to real race cars you never seem to hear from anyone that can compare the two
From what I've read in the iRacing forums that was re-posted elsewhere, David Tuckers take was much different than what Barry thinks in this video. I guess everyone has their own opinion and or take on what correct FFB feels like. I think I'll go off of what David Tucker is saying though when considering my purchase of a DD wheel .
+John Holmes Well what dud david say then? :)
+Erwin Lommer did, not dud :D
+Erwin Lommer
David, the iRacing FFB guru, seems impressed by the OSW he received. He did mention a few possible "cons" depending on your preferences. Building one from scratch is not for the beginner, the weight of the motor and the forces it produces require a very stable rig, the ffb effects are exciting but perhaps not as realistic as some other direct drive options, and the high torque settings were more than he needs or wants (he mentioned 10-15 nm being perhaps the sweet spot.
Hey. I really love your videos but they are all missing a very key element. Can you please include links to the products you are reviewing? It would be super helpful when we (your viewers) are researching or comparing! Thanks so much.
What is that steering wheel with the electronics? How much those cost as a whole and where can I get it?
+Aireisor simracing n drifting They're going for about $1200 if you use the Ioni Pro instead of the Argon. Nobody is selling these fully assembled yet. You just get a bunch of parts in the mail and have to build a wheel.
Hi Barry, Ive seen some mini direct drive models on the market, one from Simplicty sw12 and the other from Ricmotech using simvide. Do you have any feedback on these. I plan to buy a DD within 6 months and have bee researching options.
Sorry, never used the Simplicity unit. But looks like it would be a fine DD unit to have. Nothing on the Rimotech site about a DD wheel as far as I could see.
You can find direct drive under wheels and upgrades. At the moment, I've set my mind on 20NM mige but want to weigh my options. Great reviews, thank you Barry.
Looks like they are using the SImXperience DIY kit to produce their wheel. Definitely a viable option.
when r u going to build one
www. reimer-motorsports. de is the system he reviewed. I bought the same setup (IONI controller and small Mige motor) from a guy in VA. His name is Joe Sullivan. I've had mine for not even a week and i am playing with settings, but holy cow it is incredibly good! Very real/natural feeling, like Barry said. I sold my AccuForce to get this wheel and it was well worth it. My only wish is that they develop software with more features, like how the AF has oscillation control and other features.
+Todd Honczarenko I am about to by the AccuForce wheel. Which one would you recommend if i can ask.
And most of all, why ?
+majonesn I like the OSW much more than he AF. I have the Ioni controller and the small Mige motor. I'm very happy with that combo.
Ok, thank you very much for your opinion Todd :)
+Todd Honczarenko One more question if i may. Did you built it your self (found the parts and software your self) or did you buy the kit from Reimer motor spors 96.
The price on the kit is "heavy"....
Maybe i can get all the parts my self and ship it to Norway and save money because of Tax/vat regulations on +25% on the buying price of a kit
+majonesn I bought it from Joe Sullivan on the Iracing forums. His prices are cheaper than the one being reviewed on the video. He teamed up with Jason Jordarski who is very active on the forums and is helping to organize the OSW community by sharing data and setup information.
I am very new to OSW wheels and they have always been a deterrent for me due to the overwhelming DIY part that I just don't have time to put into for a project. I have found on simracingbay.com some turn key solutions completed sets and wanted to ask someone who knows what they are talking about a few questions before just dropping any large amounts of money. Are these setups good ones or are they lacking components you would declare as necessary. which of the completed sets of OSW wheels would you recommend of the batch sold at simracingbay and why? If there is any other site you know of or individual who sells completed sets that are much better please direct the way! Are these some of the best components you can get even when compared to the DIY models (not taking into account the one off like 3000-4000 wheel builds). As a newbie to these wheels I do not know what the term turn key solutions Mean? Is this a term for it's completely assembled, the software is programmed, or the quirks you may have with a DIY model are worked out of it? What software is needed for these packages to be installed to get the wheel working? Lastly a few concerns before I get sucked into all the glamour of these wheels that maybe you would have the time to answer for me. Are they compatible for all the racing titles? I see many people using it for Iracing but I have plenty of other title even older ones like rfactor I want to play with this wheel. If not how do you program the wheel in and are there links for each game? I have also heard of people having to work around the wheel blocking communications for their pedal systems (happened to the youtube channel Jimmy Broadbent). Is this a common problem and honestly what are some of the more common issue you may run into with this wheel? Lastly with the software how well does the software you download allow for FFB adjustments? How in depth is it and does the whole OSW in a nutshell seem like a system that could be expanded on without buying a new wheel? What I mean by this is the wheel itself produces more power than one would need ever and it's the smoothest wheel type you can buy so really the only thing left is the it to be compatible for games and for the software to be upgradable for the wheel so the FFB could gradually get better. Both of those last aspects are my biggest concern since these turn key solutions look like more of a complete package that would produce amazing results and wouldn't be any of the DIY hassle. I almost forgot to mention one last aspect, where do you get wheel hubs that are solid with no play for these wheel bases? Thanks for the help and sorry it was so long!
Hey barry grate video where do i get this kit
+Jimmyjimjohnson Look in the video description above, there is an email for Joe who is building the kits.
what is the last price?
How hard to put these osw kits together, any guides?
Most of the kits available these days don't require much to get up and running. Almost complete, except for some firmware you will need to download and flash to the controller.
Can anyone tell me where I can buy this kit please ?
www.reimer-motorsports.de/
Unfortunately from what I read though is that the website is down.
Bigsbeee There is also Sim Racing Bay.
Did this one have the 10000ppr encoder?
I wonder too..
Isnt that what you can read @ 41:09 ? (i dont know myself, im just harvesting info about OSW)
sven wever
29:55 ...in this setting, it shows the encoder with 2500 ppr. I'm also confused wich one is the relevant value.
Wheels with the 10,000 ppr encoder would show 40,000 cpr at 41:09 and 10,000 ppr at 29:55. Ppr is pulse per revolution. Cpr is count per revolution. These encoders have a 1 Pulse per four count measurement. This wheel that Barry reviewed had the 2500 ppr encoder it appears.
Hi Barry,
Thx for the many good reviews you are making - i've watched a lot of them with great pleasure :)
I was wondering... have OSW changed their motor, since your review, where you compared budnar, AF and OSW? There you said the OSW was the best... so something must have been changed since?
( th-cam.com/video/fnugyXhVsZI/w-d-xo.html&t=15m54s )
An OSW kit can use pretty much any motor you want. Mige, Kollmorgen, Lenze. Up to you.
Thx for the quick answer! :)
That makes sense - though I can't find it with that motor - but I can find it on Kollmorgens own website..
Have you tried the MiGe 130ST-M15015 (30 nm), if so, how does it feel compared to the 10010?
If you haven't - do you know of any disadvantages? Like it is slower, less precise or something like that..?
Great reviews, thank you barry.
In fact because I read your [Direct Drive FFB Wheel System Comparison] then decided to diy my own osw.
Now the hardware section has been completed, but MMos tool initialization unsuccessful, blue led flashing, turn the steering wheel but no Response.
my diy documentation:
bbs.srfc.com.cn/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=138658&extra=&page=1
MMos tools initial problem video:
th-cam.com/video/3obPuT_ZvTI/w-d-xo.html
restrat argon phasing ok,Disco shows blue LED flashing,then turn the wheel nothing happen
th-cam.com/video/5HpLZsjWvg0/w-d-xo.html
THE problem is:motor index-plus can not be found.
Will the steps required to initialize how to operate?
Could you help me,please.
+Barry
my diy documentation write in english at VR frome：
forum.virtualracing.org/showthread.php/97260-DD-FFB-Wheel-Diy-2DOF-motion-seat-rig-Diy-by-mimei-(with-My-DIy-experience)
+takashi mimei did you tick the index motor in MMOS software ? use the latest one....turn the wheel until the blue light is gone
+Azril Nazli Alias thank you very much for help,
i Checked the index options.
i will see your video about including phasing,and try at this Weekend.
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