janrdoh this guy was literally only getting max 20 pounds of feed back but he said early in the video he’d probably not reach that so he probably only had to deal with 15 pounds of feedback so he really needs to workout if he was building up a sweat from 2 minutes of max 20 pounds, also another way you can tell he’s never worked out is by his shoulders, they are square which means they haven’t built up any significant muscle power and are rarely worked out if even they are worked out at all.
Yeah... only bloody... you don't really need 10 fingers, do you? I mean, this is basically at the point where you want to keep your thumbs on the rim so they can't get ripped off.
On the subject friend of mine broke hes thumb while driving around with old toyota corolla(sprinter) He hit large pothole in wrong angle and steeringwheel whacked his thumb real good :P
I felt so spoiled when I had to take a small van with work to another location, and it was an old bus (like beginning, maybe mid-90's) and it didn't have power assisted steering, first curve I was feeling like I had to really tug on the wheel to get it to make a turn, it was funny also to notice how bad it was in shifting up early compared to modern cars, when I tried the whole stick shifter (coming up out of the floor, so was about 70 centimeters long) shook back and forth like mad :P.
Jimmy - you do such an awesome job of announcing, informing, racing and entertaining- all at the same time! You have a real gift, as you make it look so easy, while we all know it’s not. Thank you so much for taking the time to make such great content. I am a new subscriber to your channel- keep it coming.
I just found this channel today and I was thinking the exact same thing! So natural at what he does👍 Just brought Project Cars 2 this afternoon for my VR and steering wheel setup after seeing his video from years ago😄
From what I know they can break you wrist, but real cars too and Verstappen when he crashes holds the wheel so it may be a bit difficult to break your wrist
stay far away from thrustmaster, very cheap products. not worth your money, even the t300, fk taht crappy toy, i would rather have a g25 or 27 instead of thrustmaster t300
Welcome to what it meant being a Grand Prix Drivers in the '30es. Now to fully live the period, do 10 laps at the Nords with an arm dislocated due to a snap of the wheel!
Because at 30% force feed back the wheel won’t be straining at all where as a wheel that can only push 10lb of force would be maxed out, and tiring it’s self out
About the ratios, here's an example: The 10th gen Civic Si has a 6 speed transmission, the last two gears being overdrive: Gear Ratios: 1st: 3.643, 2nd: 2.080, 3rd: 1.361, 4th: 1.024, 5th: 0.830, 6th: 0.686. From: hondanews.com/releases/2017-civic-si-specifications-features That means that at those gears, the torque at the wheels will definitely be lower at the wheels compared to the crankshaft. (this affirmation is wrong) Performance shops generally do dyno runs at third gear, so not the highest possible wheel torque That would be in reverse due to the slightly closer ratio than the first, as stated before by Gonzo. I'm not sure how the manufacturers measure the power and torque of their cars, or even if they follow a precise regulation to do it.
I remember when my chevy's powersteering fluid would constantly leek out so id have to either refill it or catch a chest workout while traveling to and from work...i dont envy this man
@@xavierrodriguez2463 nah, driving a no power steering car is only difficult at low speeds, complete stop, the most diffucult thing to do is making a 180 degree turn with a speed of 30 km/h and it's not that bad, it only becomes appearant when you know that you can do it with one hand without sweat with power streering ... I find no power steering more responsive when you're up to speed, but i would pick powersteering any day of the week especialy for city driving.
@@iwillnotusethisstupidstuff I mean in combination with a massive scrub radius it would be even more difficult. The scrub radius would have you working against the weight of the car everytime you turned the wheel.
"There's gonna be a couple of differences between their video and my video." Yes. The major one being your DD wheel will kill you at 100 %, unlike their Fanatec ;)
And some good noise cancelling headphones to really immerse you. Oh, and a fan that blew harder the faster you went! Man I wish I had infinite amounts of money to do things like this.
Lets compare. An electric bike (pedelec) using a Bosch/Shimano motor has 75NM torque, my 650cc naked m/bike has 72NM and my 1290 m/bike has 141NM or go electric m/bike reaching 146NM which is pretty insane. 30NM looked more than enough for a sim racing steering wheel
ahh jimmy. i dont know why, but you are the kind of youtuber, that i truly wish the best. you seem like such a nice person dude! nowadays its refreshing having guys, that just have fun on their channel, instead of moaning about everything, before it even cames out. and its fucking normal...
IF he has the Large Mige (which I assume is it due to 30Nm Servo Capability), and it set to deliver full amperage and MMOS to 100% then he was running 27.9Nm so the actual estimated outputs would have been (60Nm = 46.5%, 45Nm = 62%, 29.5Nm = 94.6%) So he wasn't even at 100% output from the servo.. that being said the HBD was clipping a bit in the bumps which means it actually puts out Higher than the 29.5Nm at times through the telemetry.. Of course you wouldn't want to drive the car with no power steering, etc.. and you would probably actually want to adjust the filters to control the wheel more if you were to use these powers consistently.. Not to say it would be easy, but calming the wheel would make it easier..
@@Ronin-en6hm that is because the Max Force number in iRacing indicates the point in telemetry where iRacing outputs 100% to the wheel so if you set it at 25Nm then the 0-100% range is from 0 - 25Nm+ of telemetry.. if ou set it at 60Nm then the range now is 0% @ 0 and 100% at 60.. so if you run a car say a 488GTE and is outputting 20Nm in telemetry then having the Max force set at 25 means that iRacing will send a 80% request from the wheel where if you have it at 60Nm it will only request 33%.. so taking that further if your wheel is a 20Nm wheel then at 25Nm Max Force with an 80% output (20NM Telemetry value) to a 20Nm wheel = 16Nm at the wheel force where 60Nm Max Force with an 33% output t (20NM Telemetry value) to a 20Nm wheel = 6.6Nm at the wheel. Hence why a smaller number = more force in this situation.
Found a rare Jimmy, this Jimmy is serious and shit. Amazing how you have grown in just 2 years man, so much better to watch you in 2020 with all your confidence!
I thought when driving something that could snatch like that, you weren't supposed to put your thumbs through the wheel? It was something I saw on a program about off roading but I do that with my wheel.
If you put your thumbs trough and hit something, it will just rip out your thumbs. Doesn't need to be an offroader, you slam your daily drive into a lamp post or oncoming traffic and considerable amount of your upper body weight pushes your arms towards the wheel while your thumbs are locked inside the wheel. Same reason your legs should always be slightly bend because, again, in case of a crash your kneecaps would pop and your femur would rip off from your pelvis.
Kosmologiikka if you hit something with the front it can force the wheels to full lock and the steering wheel spins extremely fast and that will also rip your thumbs off
Jimmy goes to the emergency ward; " I broke both my wrists doctor, double compound fractures of ulnar and radius". Doctor; "How did you do that Mr. Broadbent?" Jimmy; "uh, playing computer games".
Slight correction, assuming 30Nm is 100% (it's actually more like 1:1 with what the sim is calculating, it just happens to be pretty close to 100% in this car), 45Nm would be 66%, not 75%. 60Nm would indeed be 50% though. You have to think about it as "how much weaker is the force in my arms compared to what is calculated. At 45Nm, since your wheel can output 30Nm, you're scaling the forces to a factor of 30/45=0.666.... Going back to the 1:1 thing, if you set FFB to 30Nm, what iRacing does is that it scales the forces it calculates so that a 30Nm force is translated as 100% FFB. But if the car never outputs more than 15Nm, you'll never go past 50% FFB. And if the car regularly outputs 30+ Nm, you'll be clipping the FFB signal. However, when setting the FFB to whatever your wheel's maximum output is, the forces you feel in the wheel are exactly as strong as what the sim calculates (up to 30Nm, above that it's all clipped). This doesn't mean it's 1:1 with real life though, as it depends on how precise the sim's calculations are In this particular car though, it seems like 30Nm puts you fairly close to 100% a lot of the time with almost no clipping, so it's a good representation of pushing your wheel to its maximum.
pretty much this is how scary driving an old car (before power steering and traction control applied) was and i think they never designed to do more than 60 mph. I used to run errands with an old truck with no power steering and it is exhausting, but it made me appreciate how driving is so much easier for us now.
So... how do we know at what level is the most realistic level per car/tire/track? How tough is it to turn the wheel if you were actually driving that particular car on that particular track? Is there a guide, or something similar? Thanks for the video, Jimmy!
the Fanatec wheel dose not have enough torque so output would likely be clipping. but his OSW has enough output torque to get much more details, see the FFB correlations with all others: th-cam.com/video/OTLmcX36WW4/w-d-xo.html
I guess that car must have a suspension failure to be that hard to turn.. I once had a mechnical breakdown at 90mph down a highway at the front wheel, damn it was hard to keep the car safe in a line.. but succes, but only because I had both hands on the stearingwheel allready.. if I havent had that, the car would have snaped and hit the guardrail.. it seems like the 100% FFB is to much and "unreal" maybe this is just for players who wants to go a bit harder !
That bcus racecar have a suspension hard af, it kinda make out of pure tungsten with no spring, all of that is to keep the wheel on the road to make the best traction
my wheel's rigged onto my desk, i'm way too scared to even have 1% force feedback lmao i'm paranoid my desk will give way and everything smashes to the ground in pieces.
I never hold my wheel like that driving my actual car. I've been off-roading and I've seen the wheel snap around something fierce, and I'd like to go through life without broken thumbs thank you very much.
Probably 100%, it's only so difficult here because he turned off power/assisted steering on a car that was designed from the get go to have power steering.
Watching you wrestler the wheel made me feel exhausted as if I've done 3hr workout lol awesome video thanks for sharing that experience with us :D greetings from London btw
50% vs 75% you seemed to do better. Maybe because of the anticipation and familiarity with the course but it makes me wanna have a go. Now for the rest of the video.
O M A E W A M O U S H I N D E I R U
TL98 N-NANI?!
nanda kore wa?
WhiteMamba
KANSEI DORIFTO?
N A N I ? ?
*k a b o o m*
M-MA SA KA !?
Personal trainer: Do you even lift bro?
Jimmy: No, I drive on 100% force feedback mate.
and do you have the same motor for the rim as he has? It is 30 Nm, on that small rim it's like 20 kgs are pushing you ...
ReikoX7 r/woooosh
@@ReikoX7 dude
Personal trainer: “why you even here bro”
Jimmy: Do you even Sim Drive Bro?
Now do it in DiRT Rally, my dude
You want Jimmy to tear a muscle?
What wheel is he using?
+De Droogkloten lol death wish, crew has the most brutal worst FFB on off road.
AKA: How to break your wrists when you lose control
Just don't use the T300 on ps4 @100% because it's more like 50%
So this is how gamers can get muscles.
janrdoh this guy was literally only getting max 20 pounds of feed back but he said early in the video he’d probably not reach that so he probably only had to deal with 15 pounds of feedback so he really needs to workout if he was building up a sweat from 2 minutes of max 20 pounds, also another way you can tell he’s never worked out is by his shoulders, they are square which means they haven’t built up any significant muscle power and are rarely worked out if even they are worked out at all.
u need to have testosterone, count this guy out Lol
More like sprains
Anonnymouse Hacker WTF, these things should be banned for consumer consumption then
Anonnymouse Hacker On my way Sir, please write a letter to my mama.
Alternate title: Jimmy breaks all the shit on his desk.
666 like
Pretty much
It's all fun and games until the force feedback goes rogue and your hands turn bloody
Or it breaks your thumbs from a major wheel twitch
Hunter's Moon or it breaks your wrists if you hold onto the wheel if it goes wild...
Yeah... only bloody... you don't really need 10 fingers, do you?
I mean, this is basically at the point where you want to keep your thumbs on the rim so they can't get ripped off.
On the subject friend of mine broke hes thumb while driving around with old toyota corolla(sprinter) He hit large pothole in wrong angle and steeringwheel whacked his thumb real good :P
there is a reason that direct drive wheels packages usually contain a emergency stop button
11:35 imagine you got a real injury while iracing
He is a chicken - his electronic avatar didn't loose the grip at all.
wino0000006 lol
Now kids thats why you learn when to let go of the wheel
Imagine if someone is driving with 100 FFB and you crash into them on purpose...
Like brake there arm
Now you see why the old time racers had such big forearms, they drove manual steering race cars. Power assisted steering was not an idea yet.
You can get mechanical advantage with a non power assisted design. But yes the very early cars had big steering wheels for that exact reason.
Thats also why old racing cars had massive steering wheels
Prewar racing cars also had positive camber too reduce the scrub radius
I felt so spoiled when I had to take a small van with work to another location, and it was an old bus (like beginning, maybe mid-90's) and it didn't have power assisted steering, first curve I was feeling like I had to really tug on the wheel to get it to make a turn, it was funny also to notice how bad it was in shifting up early compared to modern cars, when I tried the whole stick shifter (coming up out of the floor, so was about 70 centimeters long) shook back and forth like mad :P.
You're wrong it was an idea
This + rF2 flatspots = earthquake simulator
the timing here is ironic.
+acrock21 That's a pretty depressing form of irony
Gravity that’s the best kind of irony
Hahahaha. Reminds me of my arm breaking crash i had in a Toyota Touring car at Brands Hatch. The force feedback broke my arm
Holy shit o.0
"Don't try this at home"
Me with my rig in the garage: "I'll be right back"
And how are your wrists now?
you could've just said "i have a rig in my garage" and we still wouldn't care
wrist/arm update?
lol he can’t type after ripping off his hands😂
My rig is just a g920 and I’m used to 100% ffb on it so I just use 100%
Jimmy - you do such an awesome job of announcing, informing, racing and entertaining- all at the same time! You have a real gift, as you make it look so easy, while we all know it’s not. Thank you so much for taking the time to make such great content. I am a new subscriber to your channel- keep it coming.
Commentary while driving is exactly what you have to do for an advanced driving license.
I just found this channel today and I was thinking the exact same thing! So natural at what he does👍 Just brought Project Cars 2 this afternoon for my VR and steering wheel setup after seeing his video from years ago😄
You had to choose the bumpiest track aswell. :P trust you!
ThomasRaceGarage I agree, I've drag raced my car on this track and I only got to 68ish in a minute mile it feels like 150 through Detroit
And hit the wall at top speed.
"That's what she said, unfortunately"
I feel like if he hit a wall at full speed with 100% feedback it may rip his arm out of socket lol
They make it so you can’t but the $300 astonishfit wheels has broken peoples arms
From what I know they can break you wrist, but real cars too and Verstappen when he crashes holds the wheel so it may be a bit difficult to break your wrist
@@guanweihe7614 f1 cars have power steering so its not as bad. watch indy cars crash and you wont see a single driver grabbing the wheel.
@@brownieboi7523 same with nascar
@@brownieboi7523 no f1 doesn't have power steering no abs
Samir, you're breaking the car.
omg that video made me laugh XDD great reference
🤣🤣
My bad
More like: Car, you're breaking the Jimmy
Lol
And the Thrustmaster 458 is capable of doing 0 Nm of torque
Shon that's the first wheel I bought since whatever I had for my GameCube when it came out, and the 458 wheel is complete fucking garbage
+69
stay far away from thrustmaster, very cheap products. not worth your money, even the t300, fk taht crappy toy, i would rather have a g25 or 27 instead of thrustmaster t300
+Loco En El Coco My T150 has been doing great for the last year I've owned it, actually. Fantastic value for the price.
yeah yeah keep supporting those scammers !
I challange you to do the duck tape deathmatch with 100% force feedback.
He'd probably injure his wrist again
OHHHHHHHHHHH BOI RIP WRIST
Jori Schröer you're as sadistic as they come :p
What the hell is "duck tape", some of the new stuff you youngsters sniff to get high?
Jori Schröer duck tape death matching
Girl: Hey do you work out? :3
Jimmy: Yes i do
Girl: what gym do you go to?
Jimmy: nah nah *100% force feedback baby*
Welcome to what it meant being a Grand Prix Drivers in the '30es. Now to fully live the period, do 10 laps at the Nords with an arm dislocated due to a snap of the wheel!
Grand prix drivers in the 30s had skinny tyres and a huge steering wheel. The steering would actually be pretty light.
also didnt have 500 hp
or a crapton of downforce
And positive camber. Which makes sterring easier but even more unreaponsive. But they disnt even care about dying.
All the comments destroyed you lmfao hahahahah
"This wheel at full strength can remove the skin from your hands!"
Why would you want this?
Why wouldn't you?
Because muh *immersion*
No Body obviously most people won’t use it at full strength, but direct drive wheels provide the most realistic road feel and general FFB.
Because at 30% force feed back the wheel won’t be straining at all where as a wheel that can only push 10lb of force would be maxed out, and tiring it’s self out
@@herbiehazard4793 I know what your trying to say, but machines don't get tired lol.
The Subaru 360 can put out 29.9Nm of torque. Less than this wheel.
My 200cc moto puts 18nm torque 😂😂
sollostyles No, it doesn't. I doubt the 360 has a ratio of less than 1:1.
@sollostyles No, it's much, much more torque at the wheels. It should be close to 150Nm at the wheels in 1st.
even more in reverse
About the ratios, here's an example:
The 10th gen Civic Si has a 6 speed transmission, the last two gears being overdrive:
Gear Ratios: 1st: 3.643, 2nd: 2.080, 3rd: 1.361, 4th: 1.024, 5th: 0.830, 6th: 0.686. From: hondanews.com/releases/2017-civic-si-specifications-features
That means that at those gears, the torque at the wheels will definitely be lower at the wheels compared to the crankshaft. (this affirmation is wrong)
Performance shops generally do dyno runs at third gear, so not the highest possible wheel torque That would be in reverse due to the slightly closer ratio than the first, as stated before by Gonzo. I'm not sure how the manufacturers measure the power and torque of their cars, or even if they follow a precise regulation to do it.
I remember when my chevy's powersteering fluid would constantly leek out so id have to either refill it or catch a chest workout while traveling to and from work...i dont envy this man
lol i know the feels
is 100% the same as driving the car for real?
Carl Wehden no...not even close...
No....NO NO NO
not at all
Probably the same as driving a real car that has no power steering, and alot of scrub radius
@@xavierrodriguez2463 nah, driving a no power steering car is only difficult at low speeds, complete stop, the most diffucult thing to do is making a 180 degree turn with a speed of 30 km/h and it's not that bad, it only becomes appearant when you know that you can do it with one hand without sweat with power streering ... I find no power steering more responsive when you're up to speed, but i would pick powersteering any day of the week especialy for city driving.
@@iwillnotusethisstupidstuff I mean in combination with a massive scrub radius it would be even more difficult. The scrub radius would have you working against the weight of the car everytime you turned the wheel.
"There's gonna be a couple of differences between their video and my video."
Yes. The major one being your DD wheel will kill you at 100 %, unlike their Fanatec ;)
That wheel mixed with a VR headset and vibrating chair would be a pretty awesome experience.
And some good noise cancelling headphones to really immerse you. Oh, and a fan that blew harder the faster you went! Man I wish I had infinite amounts of money to do things like this.
@@PacoRobbins Someone with money needs to make and sell it.
Now do a lap on 100% at Nords haha
Stephen T OOF
Monaco
So if the wheel have a diameter of 300 mm, at 30 Nm, it would be like holding around 18kg.
time to do many many more 45 lb dumbbell reps...lol
SaihtaMM thank you for putting this into a unit i can understand. Lol
I love maths
holding 18kg? is that it? i was impressed until i heard that, now he just looks weak
Listen here boy, hold 18kg in front on you and battle it for 15mins straight and tell me if you last lol
that wheel has more torque then some sport bikes
Neo_Likes _Games no lol
Neo_Likes _Games If you consider a scooter a sportbike, yes
And 125s have 12Nm
Lets compare. An electric bike (pedelec) using a Bosch/Shimano motor has 75NM torque, my 650cc naked m/bike has 72NM and my 1290 m/bike has 141NM or go electric m/bike reaching 146NM which is pretty insane. 30NM looked more than enough for a sim racing steering wheel
125 and 300 cc are not sports bikes. 🤣
ahh jimmy. i dont know why, but you are the kind of youtuber, that i truly wish the best. you seem like such a nice person dude! nowadays its refreshing having guys, that just have fun on their channel, instead of moaning about everything, before it even cames out. and its fucking normal...
Using 45Nm ends up being 66%, 75% would be 40Nm (if I've got my maths right)
Your poor arms!
You are correct sir!
IF he has the Large Mige (which I assume is it due to 30Nm Servo Capability), and it set to deliver full amperage and MMOS to 100% then he was running 27.9Nm so the actual estimated outputs would have been (60Nm = 46.5%, 45Nm = 62%, 29.5Nm = 94.6%) So he wasn't even at 100% output from the servo.. that being said the HBD was clipping a bit in the bumps which means it actually puts out Higher than the 29.5Nm at times through the telemetry.. Of course you wouldn't want to drive the car with no power steering, etc.. and you would probably actually want to adjust the filters to control the wheel more if you were to use these powers consistently.. Not to say it would be easy, but calming the wheel would make it easier..
@@brionsohn2705 but I don't get how the less amount of nm means more struggle to turn
@@Ronin-en6hm that is because the Max Force number in iRacing indicates the point in telemetry where iRacing outputs 100% to the wheel so if you set it at 25Nm then the 0-100% range is from 0 - 25Nm+ of telemetry.. if ou set it at 60Nm then the range now is 0% @ 0 and 100% at 60.. so if you run a car say a 488GTE and is outputting 20Nm in telemetry then having the Max force set at 25 means that iRacing will send a 80% request from the wheel where if you have it at 60Nm it will only request 33%.. so taking that further if your wheel is a 20Nm wheel then at 25Nm Max Force with an 80% output (20NM Telemetry value) to a 20Nm wheel = 16Nm at the wheel force where 60Nm Max Force with an 33% output t (20NM Telemetry value) to a 20Nm wheel = 6.6Nm at the wheel. Hence why a smaller number = more force in this situation.
@@brionsohn2705 Thanks for the info , I appreciate it
I must have come back to watch this video around a 100 time, seriously. It's always been one of my favourites of yours Jimmy.
I'd love to see you do this in Dirt Rally with a Group B car
Major props for using Home in the background! One of my favorite artists
That was fucking hilarious Jimmy, well done :) And glad you didn't break anything, it looks proper scary at 100%.
Found a rare Jimmy, this Jimmy is serious and shit. Amazing how you have grown in just 2 years man, so much better to watch you in 2020 with all your confidence!
11:10 He almost went Super Saiyan here 😂
7:54 "Believe in Christmas"
- Jimmy Broadbent
"no mom, I'm not watching porn. I'm watching a guy play racing sims"
I thought when driving something that could snatch like that, you weren't supposed to put your thumbs through the wheel? It was something I saw on a program about off roading but I do that with my wheel.
yes, that is something they usually teach you about off roading. At least they taught that to us drivers in the army.
I almost broke a thumb when learning to drive rally stages when I was 13 because no one had told me about it.
If you put your thumbs trough and hit something, it will just rip out your thumbs. Doesn't need to be an offroader, you slam your daily drive into a lamp post or oncoming traffic and considerable amount of your upper body weight pushes your arms towards the wheel while your thumbs are locked inside the wheel. Same reason your legs should always be slightly bend because, again, in case of a crash your kneecaps would pop and your femur would rip off from your pelvis.
Kosmologiikka if you hit something with the front it can force the wheels to full lock and the steering wheel spins extremely fast and that will also rip your thumbs off
Kosmologiikka well now I'm terrified of steering wheels
would you recommend this as a workout routine?
No stop being a lazy nob and go out side for a run
a run isnt a workout routine... can clearly tell a certain someone doesn't exercise.
10/10 top response
Anonnymouse Hacker says the dude who thinks he is in anonymous... pathetic.
Laa0fa Apparently you don't get what a joke is
I just got a g27 and it's already pretty powerful at 100%, that direct drive wheel must be amazing.
“Gaming isn’t a sport”
Jimmy: “hold my beer”
Hold my ffb
Jimmy goes to the emergency ward; " I broke both my wrists doctor, double compound fractures of ulnar and radius". Doctor; "How did you do that Mr. Broadbent?"
Jimmy; "uh, playing computer games".
24 hours race with 100% force feedback would be instant dead :D
11:53 GREAT physics engine 🤔
Thank for the video Jimmy, entertaining as usual.
do this but with a street car on a bumpy touge
FORTRESS Touge is gay
please enter a name you have to take your medicine, Johnny 😮
AE86
This channel is so good, that wheel is mad
I was kind of half expecting you to flip the car and get thrown through the wall of your house. :D
Just as a point of reference: A Suzuki GSX250R delivers 23.4nm peak torque (at 6500 rpm). So he's basically wrestling with a 250cc sportbike engine!
Go watch the sebring 12 hours from 2000 you will see the blisters on the prototype drivers hands due to no power steering
8:21 when you're playing on your DS in the middle of the night and your mom walks in
Slight correction, assuming 30Nm is 100% (it's actually more like 1:1 with what the sim is calculating, it just happens to be pretty close to 100% in this car), 45Nm would be 66%, not 75%. 60Nm would indeed be 50% though. You have to think about it as "how much weaker is the force in my arms compared to what is calculated. At 45Nm, since your wheel can output 30Nm, you're scaling the forces to a factor of 30/45=0.666....
Going back to the 1:1 thing, if you set FFB to 30Nm, what iRacing does is that it scales the forces it calculates so that a 30Nm force is translated as 100% FFB. But if the car never outputs more than 15Nm, you'll never go past 50% FFB. And if the car regularly outputs 30+ Nm, you'll be clipping the FFB signal. However, when setting the FFB to whatever your wheel's maximum output is, the forces you feel in the wheel are exactly as strong as what the sim calculates (up to 30Nm, above that it's all clipped). This doesn't mean it's 1:1 with real life though, as it depends on how precise the sim's calculations are
In this particular car though, it seems like 30Nm puts you fairly close to 100% a lot of the time with almost no clipping, so it's a good representation of pushing your wheel to its maximum.
pretty much this is how scary driving an old car (before power steering and traction control applied) was and i think they never designed to do more than 60 mph. I used to run errands with an old truck with no power steering and it is exhausting, but it made me appreciate how driving is so much easier for us now.
So... how do we know at what level is the most realistic level per car/tire/track? How tough is it to turn the wheel if you were actually driving that particular car on that particular track? Is there a guide, or something similar? Thanks for the video, Jimmy!
well, unless you have a friend who happens to be a car racer with all that knowledge (and willingness to try your setup), you'll probably never know
@@Inferiis this is quite interesting, id like to know. Maybe Developers of racing games should start including that into their games
That was great , you did a great job of showing what the direct drive can do ! Thank you !
100% ffb= go kart levels of my arm might fall off 😅😂
The last corner on sunset bring me so much joy
Guys any idea how much force feedback percent needs to be set for a replicating an actual racing car ?
They probably have some next level power steering
Not A Ricer F1 are not 100% at all
Not A Ricer F1 has power steering!
the Fanatec wheel dose not have enough torque so output would likely be clipping. but his OSW has enough output torque to get much more details, see the FFB correlations with all others:
th-cam.com/video/OTLmcX36WW4/w-d-xo.html
I thought F1 car with power assistant steering though. Indycars steering torque can be higher, way over 35+ Nm.....
"I don't really want bloody hands..."
_JIMMER, YER NEED YER BLOODY HANS SO YER CAN BLOODY DRIVE!!_
I guess that car must have a suspension failure to be that hard to turn..
I once had a mechnical breakdown at 90mph down a highway at the front wheel, damn it was hard to keep the car safe in a line.. but succes, but only because I had both hands on the stearingwheel allready.. if I havent had that, the car would have snaped and hit the guardrail..
it seems like the 100% FFB is to much and "unreal" maybe this is just for players who wants to go a bit harder !
That bcus racecar have a suspension hard af, it kinda make out of pure tungsten with no spring, all of that is to keep the wheel on the road to make the best traction
Jimmy Broadbent: turning racing terminology into double entendres since 2016.
lol, imagine your upstairs apartment neighbor doing this.
I think that's about the coolest outro I've seen
What is the purpose of a wheel that has this much force feedback?
SpeedbeetleV2 To simulate indycars...
I guess it is good overhead specifications, you are never going to be pushing the hardware to its max in normal use let's face it :D
Driver training. You practice with this and you'll be as precise as a scalpel with a modern steering rack.
the wheel shake at the end is terrifying XD
OMG, 6:03, best line of the video :D
"Which is what she said, unfortunately". We lova ya, Jimmer
Still going strong with my DFGT :)
CarbonButtprint Same, trustworthy bit of kit.
Mine broke in a month :(
• Independent Art 2nd hand? The DFGT is like the Nokia of the simracing world. Mine has definately 4 years of usage and not even a scratch.
Jæk my g25 is 10 years old and still going!
Me too... that thing is cheap, durable and a really good all rounder for me
I love you, teach me your ways, best youtuber on the planet
my wheel's rigged onto my desk, i'm way too scared to even have 1% force feedback lmao i'm paranoid my desk will give way and everything smashes to the ground in pieces.
He sounds so professional even when making jokes. "Struggled to get it in , which she said unfortunately."
i always have my steering wheel at 100% force feedback but it cost about 200 euros so its not that heavy
I never hold my wheel like that driving my actual car. I've been off-roading and I've seen the wheel snap around something fierce, and I'd like to go through life without broken thumbs thank you very much.
what do pro racers actually use when they do sim racing? (amount of feedback they use)
i wonder too
Probably 100%, it's only so difficult here because he turned off power/assisted steering on a car that was designed from the get go to have power steering.
Oh man I had so much fun watching you struggle with the force 😂😂
"Do not try this at home" Where am I supposed to try it then? lol
costanza17pt Just don't try. You could actually break your thumbs if you hit a wall or something, I'm not even joking.
Take your setup to accident and emergency at the local hospital. 🤣
The force feedback is so strong that it could flip jimmers life upside down like fresh prince of bellair.
Biceps training with Jimmy Broadbent!
Socialus forearm and shoulder more. If form is good, abs too
Wow Jimmy, looked like one hell of a workout man hahaha. Great work dude
when you need seatbelts for your simulator xD
Ur such an amazing TH-camd that’s all I think when I see your videos and I’m not lying ur my fav TH-camr now
“Firty Newton-meters of force”
“Free. Zero”
Parents: sitting here all day and gaming is not exercise
Jimmy: hold my beer
To put this in perspective 45 Newtons is enough to knock over the average adult.
God bless you Jimmy!
Some of y’all ain’t never drove a car with no power steering and it shows
Parking sucks, that's for sure.
I swear he did better and better the harder it got and that makes me happy
What's the feedback like in real life?
depends on the car and whether it has assisted steering or not
The standard feedback setting in dirt rally was dangerously strong!
I would do this just to workout my arms all day, XD
Great video Jimmy!
tHe CaR iS dOiNg AlL tHe WoRk
ItS nOt A sPoRt ItS jUsT dRiViNg In CiRcLeS
HECKproductions is this a lando reference I hear?
Wtf1 one of the the best channels
1 swoley boi
The question I have is, what is the most realistic FF setting for each car?
This is how Arnold makes sure nobody can drive away with his cars.
Watching you wrestler the wheel made me feel exhausted as if I've done 3hr workout lol awesome video thanks for sharing that experience with us :D greetings from London btw
THICC Swol Jimmer!!! Proper man choosing to do it on Sebring too!
50% vs 75% you seemed to do better. Maybe because of the anticipation and familiarity with the course but it makes me wanna have a go. Now for the rest of the video.
Believe in Christmas one more time, NOPE. no Christmas for u. That shit was funny. I enjoy ur videos.