Fanatec Podium DD2 Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ค. 2024
- Intro: 0:00
Closer Look: 0:43
Look Inside Wheebase QR Assembly: 14:38
Look Inside Wheebase Assembly: 40:14
Wheelbase Mounted: 49:04
FANALAB Tuning Software: 50:42
Live FANALAB Tuning Session: 01:11:52
Driving: 01:29:44
Final Thoughts: 01:37:09
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Here after utilising the black friday half price on DD2 - Might be late but this wheel base is a tried & tested solid piece of engineering!
Same here! Base just arrived 2 weeks ago now waiting for wheel to ship.
Barry is the BEST guy in this "business", no dramas, no sponsors, he is no fake, always real 100%, the dude doesn't even have to kiss anyone's ass to keep his channel #1, he is that good.
This comment need to be pinned and get a gold award!
Completely agree. He's absolutely the best on TH-cam
Barry, last night I fell asleep watching this video.
Not because it's boring, but your voice is so calming I'd categorize your videos as Bob Ross' "The Joy of Painting" for sim racing nerds. :-)
„Oh, there‘s bumps there, let’s make those birds!“ 😂
@@MajorWolf72 "No T1 carnage, just happy little accidents."
I was at least awake enough to order my SimuCUBE 😂
Me too hahaha
Yeah really, the voice is so soft. hahaha
You have no idea how much I've been waiting for your review on this, you make the best sim gear reviews!
Great review, I'll probably get a SimuCUBE though.
agreed, whenever i need a review i always come here
Fanatec left the chat when Barry mentioned the quick release flex LOL
And they disliked it,. shame on them !
The flex is huge and ridiculous. A no-go on such a high fidelity ffb machine.
Just double checked my DD1 and I have 0 of that play....
@@2Old4Forza Same here, no flex with the F1 2019 and the 918 a much larger diameter.
Got no flex on my dd1, and no bolt being used
More anticipated than the actual podium release
Ah! Been waiting for this review ever since the DD2 was announced!
Great review as always buddy. You are the only person that I ever seen that will go as far as opening up a brand new product just for the sake of making an "in-depth" review. Impressive as always.
Really great that you showed the fanalab software. I was searching a long time for a Programm which is able to change the colors of the rev lights after I saw that the leds are rgb leds.
I don't have any play in my quick release but im using it bolted directly to the wheel, maybe because it's still really new. Excellent review as usually.
I have seen a lot of TH-cam Videos but none compare with the EXCELLENT Presentation that you give! Thanks
Thanks Barry.
My Simucube 2 pro shows up tomorrow. I feel like I made the right choice.
Christiono Rollinetti Batch 3?
I had the same thought. The oscillation felt a little weird to me in this review and there is way too much flex, if you compare it to the sc2. It also felt to me that Barry wasn't really happy about the product or expected more of it but didnt want to tell the honest truth, but I might be wrong.
@@akeem127 Yes from Simracingbay.
Mine arrives tomorrow as well. Cheer!
Mine will be here tomorrow too. FWIW I still think both the DD2 and SC2 Pro are good competition for each other and both are good decisions for a buyer depending on priorities. If you are happy with Fanatec wheels then I think the DD2 is very compelling.
My issue is that I got wheel lust for the significantly more expensive Precision Sim Engineering wheels. I had upgraded my Fanatec McLaren GT3 wheel with the shifters from SimRacingMachines and they were much better than stock, but also cost nearly as much as the wheel. I added magnetic upgrades to my Porsche 918 rim as well, which are also an improvement though not as dramatic. The buttons and knobs on the Fanatec rims are OK, but not great. So I finally decided I'm getting the wheels I want and a direct drive system that supports them. It may seem backwards, but in the end Fanatec's biggest asset, their huge assortment of rims is what killed the DD2 wheelbase for me. I wasn't going to spend an extra $200 for an adapter on top of the premium wheel cost for each wheel I purchased only to have to run a USB cable anyway and have a wobbly mount point. It just didn't make sense. I've gotten good service out of my Fanatec equipment and have no complaints about their products.
BTW I think Fanatec missed a big opportunity. If their $200 adapter allowed for a direct USB connection from 3rd party steering wheels such that they didn't require a coiled cable Fanatec would have made their system an option for the smaller percentage of people who want upscale wheels. I know Fanatec wants people to buy their wheels, but that $200 adapter is only lip service to allowing other rims. They completely threw away their way to add a very big feature by making all of those wheels effectively wireless. Big mistake. Many people would buy a combination of rims but instead they've forced people into an either or situation.
Fantastic review Barry. The first thing I did after watching was to check for flex on my DD1. I didn't seem to have any, so I thought that is a bit weird. Maybe I was just lucky. Keep up the great work.
I am big fan of your movies and your ideas of making things better. They helped me out in assembling this and that so big thank you! However I am a happy owner of a Fanatec DD2 and have absolutely zero issues with flex on stock piece of rubber. Cheers.
Just the review i been w8ting for!:) awesome thx!
Thank you so much! you just saved me 1700 bucks! I was considering replacing my OSW wheel but that wiggle in the quick release gave me nightmares!
One Hell Of A Review Barry
Most excellent review. Fanalab software looks friendly and good file management features. Only thing I would say is for that price, I would refer something other than plastic connectors. Circular, aerospace types with locking rings are the preferred standard.
Thank you, Barry!
Love this channel can't wait to get my dd2
That intro car sound is epic, you have a professional anchor mans tv voice
Very interesting review, Berry! About the flex: I agree that it would be super nice to get another option with regards to the quick release. However, since the direction of the flex is 90° to the turning / motor axis I don't think it would make it feel more responsive or anything, i.e., I don't think it's leaving much potential on the road here. But a rock solid QR mount would feel a lot better and I'd love to see it.
Appreciating the detail in this review! I wanted one badly, now I want one badly and then some lmao
thank you for making this video, i copied your settings and finally got my DD2 wheel feeling great for iracing....i'm kindly requesting you do a video for Assetto Corsa Competizone & F1 2019 settings......✌
I am an early adopter of DD2, I need to say that I have no complains with it. I'd love the quality and the FFB fidelity. I understand perfectly that the Fanatec Podium system is an early stage of development, and I happy with that. The flex in my case in minimum, for not to say that I have no flex at all. And in my opinion it has a quick fix if Fanatec release a more stiff Rubber or a 1mm more thick. I can't compare with a Simecube or similar, because I never got that ones, but what I can talk about the DD2 and like I said, it worked flawless, plug and play in all the games that I tested and for me that it's superb. Barry should mention that, I think that Fanalab is great, but the ability to launch a game, and seconds being driving without headaches is part of the package :).
God Damn! I love that Quafe gearbox you have.
Having the best support for this base is a major selling point going forward. Needs some time to mature software-wise and the quick release flex needs to be resolved plus reliability? Will wait a bit longer but I still think it's my best bet imo. Can't beat Barry's reviews.
ok Frank lol
Barry thank you once again, you make the best vids for all of us 👍 keep the hair long 😉
Very good reveiw Barry
Thank you again
Always the BEST!! Thank you.👍
Awesome video btw! love your way of doing these!
I thought it might be worth mentioning a couple things that Fanatec got right that SimuCube 2 could improve on. I own a SimuCube 2 Pro and a Fanatec CS 2.5 wheelbase if it matters.
1. Torque key. Every time you start up a SimuCube 2 you have to let the software know that you want full torque. Many people have said they have forgotten to do this and had to complete races where everything felt bad because of it. The torque enabling key Fanatec uses is a great convenience by comparison. Have young kids coming by? Pull the plug and put it somewhere safe. Otherwise leave it in and don't worry about an extra step every single time you want to race.
2. Coiled cables. Fanatec wheels are all external cable free which is a great feature. Fanatec supports both communication AND power. The SimuCube 2's have BT support, but they've already hit limitations with some wheels in terms of buttons/input devices supported and there are a small number of wheels that support this. This module is already slated for replacement/updating so it can support more inputs. And then you get the additional failure point and weight of a battery with additional effort to keep a battery charged and then having to remember to turn your wheel on and off. I chose a coiled cable wheel for my SC2 because I didn't want to deal with any of that. It won't be a terrible hardship, but my point is that the SC2's wireless implementation is not comparable or as good.
I'm not suggesting one is better than the other, but just that both have some bragging rights, neither is perfect and both have room to improve.
Unfortunately, Fanatec's implementation restricts you to Fanatec wheels (if you want wireless capability), but maybe they'll soon let wheel vendors by wheelside internal connectors.
@@whaletail935 As I've said many times, if they exposed a real USB connection in their Podium mount they would have created an advantage supporting 3rd party wheels.
awesome stuff as always!
Here it is! thanks Barry :)
I've had the DD1 now for around a year or so. The first one I got had a connection issue with the wheel (electronics; no wheel would power on when plugged in) and the whole repair process was horrid; I was out of a wheel for around 4 weeks. However once they sent me a new one, it was all good. It's the best wheel I've ever had and it just...feels great lol. It is nice that it works on the PS4/PS5 since I do from time to time play GTSport with friends. However I mainly use it in iRacing and rFactor 2 and it feels so incredible. Hope to god you don't have QC issues and enjoy the product!
Yeah - I've read way too many horror stories like yours to even think about buying one of these.
Amazing job as always very objective Ty Barry
Love your reviews!
Nice, I've been patiently waiting for the software to be available before I buy. I would like to see you include Rally driving when you do your test driving, as there are a lot of aspects with Rally not covered with track driving.
Another amazing review with some very important recommendations to Fanatec. Nonetheless, great wheel, great hardware.
Finally! Woohoo Ima take a mandatory break to watch this lol
Thank you Barry!
Still the best sim wheel review on youtube🥰🥰🥰
oh my god. his voice is so calming
Barry , thx for making another great video 👍
Btw spring and damper you can “off” , shaking on straight I got other games have the same issue , even on GTSport , but after all off those 2 , everything go fine , just set NDR , NFR and FEI
Perfect review, thank you👍
Man, I'm totally not in the market for a dd Wheel, I am just watching this because your voice is so soothing...
I have zero flex with my f1 wheel and a small amount with my bmw rim (nothing I’m worried about). Great review Barry 👍
Same
Hi Barry. You need to do another direct drive wheel comparison with or without fellow sim racers with the updated DD systems you have access too please.
The review Alien. man always good work
23:30 you had it the wrong way Barry lol. nice way to correct it without saying lol. Great video as always
Fiiiinnaaaallllllyyyyyyy!!!!!! What we've all been waiting for;) #thankyou
Hi Barry, the reason your Dynamic Dampening was less effective is that you've reduced DPR in the Tuning Menu settings. What also helps to make it more effective is to lower the starting point a bit more, for example when it only starts at 100 to increase with speed it won't be very strong at 120 already.
OMG they should put this at the cinema in IMAX
Great video as usual, you mentioned that you think Fanatec should have included a spanner. I have 3D printed some so if you need one let me know and I’ll pop one in the post to you.
yes a detailed review
immersive review!
Been waiting long time for this. #hitlikethenplay
Thank you Barry.
"The shaft itself is solid as a rock - you can see when I did that video."
Thanks Barry as always, but I will stick with my Augury OSW.
The Simucube 2 and Podium in-depth reviews are great and give very useful information on factual points (ergonomics, QR, software, etc).
But how do they both compare performance-wise? Does one of them sets itself apart from the other or do they perform so similarly that only technical characteristics matter for a purchase decision?
Barry’s a coward when it comes to saying what gear is better for your buck. Doesn’t want to step on companies toes (ie Tommy boy Fanatec).
Its finally here boys
1:30:44
Yeah! V8 Supercars nice mate. 😁👍
Very interesting to watch review, Barry! You set your own standart in Simracing reviews!
As the flex become a topic here - Great that Barry shows the flex in every base! I will share my oppinion here and guys, please accept it like subjective oppinion of one person, dont see myself like another final verdict guy!
To speak that any flex is bad I will agree if the flex is on the move left and right, on the steering axis. That will be called woble , not flex also. If we speak that any flex in any way is bad - we gotta know that we have human biological sceleton. That sceleton for good is made to have joints with some biological gap in them to make our moves possible. As much as you make the mechanism without any flex - that will move that energy to your joints... we are not robots...for now
Also if we speak of real cars, motorbikes etc - in some tolerances we have flex, even free move there , as I said in some factory tolerances....Now already some of you started to say T300 is more sturdy without flex...even if this was true , the comparison will be more if you sit in Ferrari and flex the steering rim and after that sit in russian LADA 2107 and feel absolute hard steering shaft without any move:)
As I said this is only my opinion and it is not exactly related to this review.
P.S.
Also I agree that if the flex if too sensible that will give you feeling that something is not ok and faulty!;)
Cheers!
My DD2 broke after 4 months, power button on the killswitch and back of the base failed. I regret selling my simucube 1 so soon as I don't have back up wheel. edit: Don't want my comment taken the wrong way, I thoroughly enjoy the DD2, and I know Fanatec will make it right.
@@marble25 what does warranty have to do with my wheel bring broken? Yes they will repair it, but it's quite odd that it was defective/broken with 4 months of use.
marble89 You serious?
@@marble25 cool? I wasn't saying it wasn't, just sharing my bad experience with a fanatec product failing.
So they fix it for free right? And is simcube superior?
@@tehgusbus2716 my comment regarding my old simucube, was referring to having a backup wheel in case the dd2 had a problem. Now while it's off for repair, I will not have a wheel to use for what I assume will take a few weeks minimum. In terms of feel I liked the DD2 over the simucube v1 I had previously. I have not personally tried a simucube 2.
Agree with vagueness of AC 😉
The software app looks well done.
For those concerned about the flex:
I was very hesitant to buy the DD2 based on this one flaw. Slop in a steering component is super annoying in a rig. However, I haven't noticed ANY of this flex in the steering wheel over the last three weeks. The torque and vibrations from the DD2 have managed to loosen my rig and my steering wheel, which were both immediately noticeable. But I haven't detected any issue with QR flex.
The flex IS there. It just doesn't present itself while I'm racing. I think a lot of it has to do with the direction it flexes. Its sort of a front-to-back wiggle that just doesn't appear naturally in use. It would be an absolute dealbreaker if the flex was in a circular direction around the wheel shaft, like when a steering wheel comes loose from its hub. Luckily, that's not the case.
I believe most users, if not all, would be extremely satisfied with the DD2's performance.
(Anti-Disclaimer: This review is my own honest opinion and not influenced by any 3rd party. But I will accept free stuff from any 3rd party that wants to send some my way!)
super easy aftermarket solution to the quick release....Replace the rubber squish ring with a machined tapered conical aluminum piece. The conical tapered piece would self center and lock the wheel tightly as the lobed hand ring was tightened. If needed a thick neoprene washer between the hand ring and the tapered conical adapter to keep them locked in place for vibration resistance..
A good idea
Didn't finished yet but one thing regarding FanaLab: in the settings when the option is red it means it's enabled so exactly the other way as you mentioned.
Man, that’s a beast of a wheel base! One day I hope to buy that very Fanatec setup. Have you tried or reviewed their F1 Elite Wheel?
Brilliant review. Barry, do other DD wheels (especially the Simucube 2) pick up the detail on those kerbs that you commented on? I actually tried the DD2 at the Expo at the weekend and found it only gave feedback on two of the kerbs on the GP Strecke, in AC. But I don't know if that was AC or the wheel itself.
What a huge legend
On that QR, I would suggest to Fanatec maybe replacing the rubber gasket with a conical piece of derlin. That way when you torque the thumb wheel down, it centers and removes all play.
@ArmchairWarrior, thank you for the Wiki cited correction. Delrin.
haha, you have the same wallpaper I had a couple weeks ago :)
Hi Barry, awesome review, per usual! AC has great FFB, just a very different setup then iRacing. Try Assetto with SPr (Spring Effect) OFF, dPr (Damper Effect) OFF, ndP (Natural Damper) set to 25 or 30 and ndP (Natural Friction) set to 3 or 5 with For (Force Effect) set to 100. You will get way more road feel and detail without much oscillation. This may be a different point for you to tweak from. Then you can add a little SPr 10% to get more fake centering spring/weight in the wheel or a little dPr 10% if you want to deaden the feel/remove remaining osculation a bit... I run neither cause if feels more natural with the new settings, (as their names imply = ). AC has great self aligning torque, probably why so many use it for drifting = ). Also, in game, I do not set any of the effects higher then 16 and my gain at 60%. The cars very from 90% to 120% for individual FFB strength (I know, very subjective = ) as you said, this is all subjective = ). I run my DD1 at 70% FF (Force Feedback). If you happen to give this a try, let me know if it works out for you.
Thanks for the settings. I wasn't playing AC much since I got my DD1, because I couldn't get it to feel right. rF2, ACC, PCars2, RRRE, Automobilista, and iRacing all felt great, but not AC. Your settings have now transformed it for me. It now feels as good as rF2 to me. I was using the recomended settings from the Fanatec website for AC, which are not good. They should put your settings for the recommended ones, because they are a hell of a lot better.
@@Copef1 That is great to hear! Ya, I started with some spring and damper but then removed them cause I read or saw someplace that they were not well or fully supported in AC and my DD1 came to life. 25 (Natural Damper) and 5 (Natural Friction) are from the Fanatec forum but so are the shitty spring and damper settings. I now run 25 and 3 as going 30 or 7 did not feel like the right direction (this is subject to change as I keep farting around = ) Enjoy!
I had been doing my research lately to find best SimRacing setups and I found Fanatec DD wheels the best. However, after having quotation for my full setup from Fanatec; I ended up buying a used Nissan 350Z and I'm happy with my decision. I'll stick with pad gaming and real car. Great video though 👍🏼
You can always get a Thrustmater T150 for like 150€ or maybe a Logitech G29. DD wheels don't make someone faster and honestly I don't find DD a requirement for a simracer these days
@@Valenfield98 Agreed! I've had bought Thrustmaster TMX Pro and currently using it. It is a fair deal honestly.
I don't have that flex on my DD1, but anyway this type of flex will not impact driving or force feedback. The flex in my real car is much more. Best wheel on the market.
th-cam.com/video/P-rCt9dIMJ4/w-d-xo.html& also hardly no flex. So Barry is maybe unlucky with this particular one.
@@joggelweekend hahaha it's not the best wheel base* on the market
Simucube 2 for the win!
Fanatec products have waaaay too many "issues". My V3's electronic board broke after just two hours. Yes, they sent me a replacing one, but it just sucks. I've waited 6 (!) days just to reply my my emails...
Barry, I have the Accuforce DD wheel base. I was just wondering how does the Fanatec DD2 wheel base compare to the Accuforce? Which one has better telemetry based FFB? Is the Fanalab software as good as Simcommander software? I have quite a few Fanatec wheel rims that I have modified to fit the Accuforce. I was just thinking that they would work better on the Fanatec base and a separate usb cable would not be needed for the rim. Also since I have the Fanatec shifter and considering getting the handbrake too all these addons would work better wired into the Fanatec wheel base rather than a bunch of usb devices plugged into my pc. I am running out of ports and some games only support a certain amount of usb devices. What are your thoughts on these two wheel bases?
*_Ace!_* Great to see a pro setting up FFB.
Beautiful fit and finish on this unit. Just peek 21:10 ... the indexing tabs in the washer? see how it isn't just a rectangular tab jutting out? it has those two semi-circular divots taken out? in a blade, that's to avoid stress at a 90 degree corner. Here, I'm guessing it's so there's nothing like the hard edge from a sharp 90. That's lovely. Someone put some thought into it. A number of extra operations!
^5
*_/dks_*
p.s. good of you to mention 100% silicon lube. I commented on Boosted Media's review that //possibly// there might be a case where //some// lubricant might be aggressive against the rubber bushing.
There are better ways to control oscillations. In the Simucube 1 and 2 program (or the Granity program if you're using the non-Simucube OSW such as the IoniCube) there is a filter section called "Peaking and notch filter" divided into 3 filters: "Center frequency Hz." "Attenuation dB," and "Q Factor." These settings mean controlling/removing oscillations without having to resort to potentially adding more friction and/or damper than you personally want for regular driving. Those 3 filters also slightly influence others aspects of FFB in good ways from my experience but 90% of their effect is on oscillation removal. Another good thing about those filters is, from my experience, they hardly (if at all) need to be changed when changing game or FFB settings / power. The only time they may need some changing is when there is a firmware update (firmware updates usually change all sorts of motor-settings we users will never see). It would be nice if Fanatec had the same or similar. Those settings are very under-rated settings...even in the Simucube community they aren't given the attention they deserve.
Hopefully more DD units will come forth into the mainstream in the Future, Thrustmaster could provide some good competition and as we all know competition lowers cost and increases quality.
Competition is essential for free market and consumer's sake
Fan is easy to see 👍🇺🇸🦅
Good stuff as always Barry. If you were to choose between a SC2 or DD2 what would you have?
SC2
You can side and front mount the DD2 in addition to bottom mounting it, so more solid mounting options are available.
you can NOT front-mount the DD2, if you do so, you immediately lose your warranty.
You cannot front mount the Fanatec DD units...The bolts holes on the front are for mounting accessories only.
Most of the laserscanned tracks are pretty much smooth as IRL. I can't think of a bumpy track on AC. You could try Mosport maybe
MPS Auto is set to constant IF the game supports it (like iRacing and ACC). If the game doesn't support this advanced function, then it will switch to Encoder mode.
终于来了
I was thinking about saving for a Podium, but atm I'll rather stick to my CSW V2.5. Too many problems and small annoyances with those Podium wheelbases at the moment.
I have had none... love mine and has improved my driving moving from csw v2
No issues whatsoever on mine either.
Barry I'm watching your chanel one year. I spend here a lot of hours:) I have just one simple (I hope) question. What is your one favorite DD and non DD(belt) base? You have a huge experience I think you are one guy whom can I belive...
I have a design for this but am now testing it for long time durability so in 2-3 months it will be released on thingiverse with step files to cnc it yourself
Since launch date, its very hard to buy DD2 here ( brazil ). I try on march 2020 but pandemic destroy all possibilities. So, im stay on CSW 2.5 until now. With CSL DD launch, i Will consider to buy a New base. But honestly, CSW 2.5 to CSL DD ( even with boost kit ) isnt a great upgrade. Ok, so im thinking about DD1 and finally decide to DD2. WHAT SPECTACULAR product ! Great drivers and softwares ( august, 19, 2021 ) and definitly ZERO flex on my two wheels - porsche 911 rs gt3 BME and 2021 f1 limited edition. Another world in simracing experiences. Off course, at higher prices.
I knew the play on the shaft wouldnt go past you Barry, as it did with other reviewers. I own a DD1, and noticed that play, its a real turn off... Excellent review!
There is no play in every unit that's the reason. Mine has zero
1, 2 , 3, 100 wheels is enough to say it’s a bad design and needs to be changed.
@@zaneislandd4650 you are not pushing it enough, its a design flaw. try it with a BMW gt2 rim and it'll be easy to see...
@@WhiteHawk77 did you move it around like Barry did? at 6:27
Just double checked. No play in mine.
I have owned the DD1 for a year now and ive never had any issues with that flex. I dont notice it nor does it seem to cause any problems with my driving.
It's a tolerance issue - some wheel bases/rims are fine, others aren't. Its practically a lottery when you buy a Fanatec.
2nd version of universal hub is basically a high perfomance upgrade
Will you please do a video on how you got into all of this racing game/having a rig thing? Whats your history with racing games?
The position of your head versus the car's side mirror make you look like a child is driving. :D
If you replace that rubber in the quick connect with a 2 piece tapered and split alloy bush it would be solid as a rock
Thanks for this video, you have passion of explaining of a very tiny detail.
I did not like the quick release when it still moving even it is very tight, why they do not use something like conic nuts or something that when you tight will not move a mm.
But still is my choice now to go for podium dd2 and i want to aske what comes in the pakage of that model. Only motor and the wheel.. Or what ?