Like said in the intro if u think: - Season 4 is bad - Any of the seasons are bad - Or you just have criticisms of the show The next disagreement day will start Monday 7/8 4pm EST
Hey, Shadiversity did a review on his channel “Knight’s Watch” for Across The Spiderverse and… it felt quite harsh. He did bring up some good points, but I felt like he blew a few things out of proportion. Could you maybe do a video to see if he is actually being a bit unfair? Sorry, it’s just you seem to have better insight when debunking things.
I disagree with you about the show’s political alignment. The show is pretty leftist (and that’s part of its charm imo). At its core, it is a satire of capitalism and American fascism. What you describe as a critique of leftism in your attempt to defend the point that they pick on both sides reads more as a critique of liberalism than leftism. Like with A-Train in his Wakanda fit. It’s a critique of the liberal mindset that all we need is a Black president/cop/ceo to “end racism” when in reality those people will serve the exact same function as their predecessor (i.e. to preserve the irreconcilable class antagonisms created under capitalism). A-Train was about as helpful to Black folks hurt by Blue Hawk as Obama was to folks in the Middle East. But I don’t see what that has to do with leftism. That’s liberalism. Leftists denounce this kind of problem-solving as a perversion of their ideals for the sake of capitalist imperialism. They’ve done it with Obama, Hillary, Kamala, etc. I know you don’t like politics, but it’s pretty reductive to conflate this with the left and treat it as representative of the “other side.” Those plot points you describe as a “critique of the left” involve characters who are very obviously not on the left. They’ve had numerous opportunities to make fun of the ideals inherent to leftism, but they don’t. They usually just make fun of the corporations that exploit those ideals for profit. This is entirely different from how they treat the right. They make fun of the right’s ideology itself, not just the people who exploit it. They explicitly make fun of the homophobia and transphobia. They don’t make fun of people for being gay or trans. They make fun of the “All Lives Matter” crowd. They don’t make fun of the people saying Black Lives Mattter. They make fun of Trump’s movement, not the people who protest in opposition.
The video isn't a review. He never says it is. It's about how the season 1 had a higher RT score than the new season. And using that as a way to prove the show has fallen off.
One of Critical Drinker’s favorite female characters is Stormfront. He hated the scene when Stormfront was given a beat down by the other 3 female supes, and called it “forced”.
@@C0LIN.he never watched it, and he used rotten tomatoes to prove how hated it is (even though he also tries to say Rotten Tomatoes is bad and not trustworthy in other situations)
I don't know why rotten tomatoes let's reviews go out for the seasons that aren't even done. Like keep the page review free until the final episode is out.
Watch his video; its not what he said. He said the season isn't worth watching based on where the show was going and thus he WON'T be doing a review because he's lost interest.
I don't know why people even think these 5 episodes are bad? they're literally the best episodes of the entire show. when I was watching season 3, I didn't really feel anything, but season 4 has given me the same feeling as when I first saw season 1
genuinely shocked at how nothing of a review this is of "the boys" genuinely you could take his entire script, make some minor changes to recontextualize it and then apply it to some other "woke" product that's airing right now this was not a review nor was it made to insight a meaningful discussion about negative changes that were changing the quality of the show for the worse, this was simply a means to virtue signal with other people that either already agree with him or don't know why they're supposed to be calling it woke and just looking for some form of validation
He is the junk food of TH-cam reviews, doesn't really provide anything of value, but when you want to watch someone tear down a terrible show/movie that you don't like while making jokes that are sometimes funny, it's alright to indulge a little
@@Monkeylighthouse You only notice how bad and empty his reviews are when he criticizes a show that actually has a decent plot. Its easy to hate on stuff like the acolyte, ahsoka and the new dr who, because they dont just throw alot of politics around but simply because theyre horrible and nonsensical. There was one Dr Who episode where the plot points were never resolved and the episode retconned itsself, truly an awesome waste of my time.
@@LamiaLoverseason 1 and 2 (up to the finale) were both pretty fair at shitting on both sides of the aisle, season 2 finale is when they decided to stop satirizing the left as much or at least not to the same degree, season 3 the writers lost the plot, season 4 is just shock value as they waste time building up to the season 5 finale. Its edgelord powerfantasy at its core, so youre really not missing much if you dont watch it.
@@josephkeen7224 I held the same feelings for years. Both the modern day left and right devolved into throwing shit at each other like chimpanzees in the zoo.
4 seasons in and every single character except A train is telling the same story. Frenchie and Kimiko are the exact same S4 as they were in S2. Huey is regressing, not progressing, as a character and as a person. His sexual abuse and trickery used against him is played as laughs, or as tacit permission for Starlight to abuse him further. I've legitimately forgotten why MM is still hmm-hawing over getting his family back, or sticking with the plan to kill Homelander. Starlight's character arc has been 'I become more tired and more gaunt every season and deliver my lines in hoarse whispers' for 3 seasons, confronting her past time and time again, and only solving it through wanton violence. How'd she even get into the most secure bunker on the planet to save the President-Elect, anyways? This isn't a defense of The Drinker, by the way- he's a hack fraud who doesn't even watch the shows he comments on- but no one in The Boys except A Train is getting an actual character progression.
One thing I disagree with you on, the “Training A-train” movie that they show isn’t mocking the left, they’re mocking white savior narratives like The Blind Side, movies that are about minority athletes, actors, celebrities who “made it out of the ghetto” because of a of a white mentor figure. portraying their neighborhoods as nothing but crime infested cesspools like Gotham City, reinforcing negative stereotypes of these communities. Like how they portray A-train’s brother as some drug dealer when in reality, he was A-Train’s coach, not the wealthy white guy who Will Ferrell plays.
These people see what they want to see, perception is reality to them. How are you not disagreeing with the title of this video??? You cant debunk a fucking opinion.
Yeah, it’s almost as if he’s deliberately prioritising content people already hate before it comes out to maximise the views per episode. (I vividly remember him skipping out on a rather positive seen film by WB back in December while giving full attention to Aquaman 2)
@@mkno2799 His collective review of each episode practically adds up to those 35 minutes, so I wouldn’t exactly be making up time from just watching the first episode to conclude that myself (keeping in mind that he’s skipped ep 4).
The Uncritical Drunk did not even watch this season, yet he is complaining about the problem with the show. He is watching The Acolyte, but refuses to watch The Boys. What a joke. The guy is a partisan hack that can't stand that a show he considers to be woke and held up a mirror to his side is good.
Well yeah because he can’t make money critising the Boys. He obviously knows that the reviews are inauthentic and so he knows that he can’t review every episode. That is as much of a blatant endorsement as you can get because you just know that if there was a single thing actually wrong with the series he would have latched onto it and used it as an antiwoke talking piece but he knows he can’t because his only evidence that it is bad is the word of some butthurt right wing trolls who review bombed a perfectly decent show.
I use to follow the drinker because he use to make valid reviews to things that were objectively bad....now he just rages and moans and things he thinks he understands and doesn't actually make a point. It's just yea. i didn't like this, and it was because of pandering, and that's why it's bad....like give me examples. you can tear acolyte apart and make sense, but when a show is actually good, there is no actual reason.
I used to watch some of his vids even though I thought they weren’t good reviews, because I found them funny. But he eventually got old after a while saying the same stuff over and over again.
They’ve always been like that as they project themselves onto everyone and everything all the time while in the same breath saying that they’re correct and great.
Yeah I’ve seen a lot of comments like this, I always tell them “Yeah no shit, they know they have a mainly male audience so to fuck with us they show dicks and shit” lmao
To be fair none of the defenders of the shift in tone are either. Either they cannot see there's been a huge shift from attacking an ideology to just copying headlines over the four seasons and they have the same responses to the point if I found out there's a bunch of GPT bots running around defending the show, I would not be shocked. "It was always political." "Just figure out who it is making fun of?" "Learn media literacy." It's like copy+paste defense with zero nuance actually discussing how the show has changed or even acknowledging it. I don't like being preached to even when I agree with a message, and it's become quite preachy.
@@BlazingOwnagerFair point. But I think it's harder and harder to do parody these days because the world itself is so ridiculous now. You kinda have to go overboard and anvilicious or there will be no difference to the real life now.
@@kleindropper because those people don't talk about what is wrong or right about the content, but instead talk about what culture war topic they dissagree with.
@@mrheherdisruptor8975 "This show feels so lacking and undermined, it’s almost as if 3 more episodes and it could’ve completed the story it set out for itself!"
As a leftist myself, the show doesn’t make fun of leftism so much as it satires corporations co opting leftist language and ideals but all to sale their product or brand at the end of the day. This isn’t me trying to cope with sour grapes either. The Hunt which had liberal coded rich antagonists literally hunting conservative influencers copped out by having the protagonist just be neutral instead of a Trump supporter. It would’ve been better to have her as a Trump supporter because that way it can actually challenge your perceptions instead of just being able to root for someone trying to live.
@@myra-yvesit’s not that the show critiquing the right is inherently an issue that right wingers like myself have a problem with. It’s the fact that the earlier seasons did a much better job at critiquing the right in a more tongue-in-cheek manner that was clever. Plus, the writing, plot, characters, and storytelling were all compelling enough to make me interested despite the clear political jabs against my side of the aisle. Season 4 basically throws this all out the window, as the writers basically just throw out any subtlety and cleverness. Examples being the blatant vilification of Trump supporters, and retconning Frenchie into having a gay relationship, along with the myriad of other issues the season has with itself.
Drinker: “Frankly I’ve got better things to do with my time.” Me: “Dude your not just drinking man your also watching The Acolyte. You’re not interested period (anything superhero related).”
@@Castigar48 ironically, if I had to watch the acolyte, I will probably do the same, drink and watch (maybe with friends, just saying). For the record, I consider myself also a Star Wars fan (a causal) but to be fair, I know what to watch. For any recommendations just watch Andor for live action Star Wars. Edited: Currently, I mean
@captaincritter6173 i tried with andor but idk the first 3 episodes i was bored watching. I cant explain i will try and give it another chance another time
@@Castigar48 you’re not wrong (it’s almost like breaking bad, slow pacing but has a big buildup and very story focused instead of action) but may I suggest Star Wars the Clone wars then. Trust me, that’s way better and has a lot more action as well.
“I’m gonna make a review of the season based on reading reviews of it on Rotten Tomatoes and not actually watching the show. WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?!”😑
the worst part about this "review" is that is not even a review, the guy didn't even saw the freacking season, he has done a lot of bad things reviewing in the past, but this takes the cake, it baffles me how many people defend this clown and call him a genius, the fact that we've come ot the point where people just agree with criticism of a guy who hasn't even watched the show is so stupid, at the end of the day, the guy is just to say things that a certain group of people agree with, not a critci but an echo chamber
@@fernandodecarlosmalcher7977 Yeah all the vids that aren't marked as one surely aren't while the videos that do have that mark like black panther are and do go into specifics like a proper review
@@HakiKingEntertainment maybe there’s a point there, not sure if I agree with it still the video still terrible saying the show fell off without even watching it and basing that rotten tomatoes reviews and interviews about the cast that were just about how they don’t share the same values as him
@@fernandodecarlosmalcher7977 Because the video is about what the title says it's about, the way it pushed away it's audience. The main point was that he does make real reviews as I've seen but in videos like these he speaks with the expectation you've already watched it, I agree to make his point better he should've done so but it was his choice and he was still correct this video here points out the problems directly th-cam.com/video/qDOOq4EWbcY/w-d-xo.html
if I had a nickel for every time i've seen a youtuber with a spiderman model reacting to a review by the critical drinker about the new season of the boys i would have two which isn't a lot but its weird it happened twice
Fun fact: When guys like Drinker say stuff like “Oh I’m so tired of seeing politics in my media” they’re not actually tired of seeing politics at all. They just don’t like the politics being shown. Media has always been political. But I guess it’s impossible to have an actual conversation about this stuff when the word “woke” exists.
@@gameguy20100yeah but the problem is that it makes out everyone who disagrees with them politically to be an idiot for having a different opinion. This divided people even more and causes more fighting in politics
I think both sides have a point here. While media has always been political to varying degrees and sometimes it is the joke, I’d also be lying if I said the show hasn’t gotten less and less subtle about which side of the isle they’re endorsing. There does come a point where the politics go from a natural part of the story to being the script writer wanking his side. Not to mention the show does feel a lot more disjointed and uninteresting with some of its side plots, particularly Frenchie. Overall, I would say (at least so far) season 4 is the weakest season but it’s pointing at woke is more a symptom of the problem rather than looking at the problem as a whole.
Guess he didn’t notice the man whose cape is modeled after the American flag in the previous 3 seasons. He must’ve thought the people who made the show only put it there for cosmetic reasons
When people complain about "politics" in media, theyre complaining about real world contemporary politics being shoehorned into their escapism/entertainment... the boys season 3-4 is the modern progressives' orwellian 2 minutes' hate.
15:22 "I identify with Homelander more than any other superhero" Homelander: *kills hundreds of innocent people, facilitates the creation of super-powered t***orists, SAs and impregnates an unwilling woman, imprisons another woman and threatens to harvest her eggs, encourages his son to be dismissive with and violent to non-supes...* Me: Someone check on the people around this guy, please
Honestly what it sounds like is that critical drinker just wants the show to become more like Riverdale where instead of creating an actually interesting story he wants a show that the fans are dictating.
Show woulda been fine had it continued to satirize the left to the same degree as season 1. South park only works because it makes fun of everyone, same with the boys. Crazy how the boys shat all over the right/conservatives in season 1 and the drinker gave it a glowing review and a recommendation to his audience but now all of a sudden he supposedky has a problem wuth the show shitting on conservatives???? You people have no logic...
If fans are not enjoying the story being put out, what is the point of watching that as entertainment? Maybe people prefer entertainment, not constant bombardment of propaganda, because some people do not appreciate brainwash tactics.
@@rayfish007good point, I wonder if the boys is doing that. I haven’t seen the show, so I can’t say where they took it. Similar to how Critical drinker hasn’t.
@@Starman062 I think if anything gets popular, they start slipping that stuff in there. The good old divide and conquer tactic. I'm hearing episode 4 is good though. I was getting depressed with the first 2 episodes. It's hard to find anything that isn't pushing politics these days. I can deal with it a little if it pays off. I just hope this one doesn't end up being like so many other shows that went too far one way or the other.
@@rayfish007The problem there is what drew you to the show in the first place? It wasn’t some great collective of fan expectations and popular trends that created something like “Harry Potter.” It was a sad woman trying to cope with her mother’s passing through writing that did that.
Was hoping more people would talk about how bad this video is. Thanks Colin for being one of the few youtubers who has the balls to call out these larger channels when they make bad takes.
The Boys making fun of performative activism isn't "making fun of both sides," its making fun of performative activists, who aren't remotely left wing. The Starlighters are the only ones remotely left wing in the show and they get played completely straight
he’s mad at artists for expressing their personal beliefs through art while at the same time accusing them of adapting whatever politically correct beliefs are mainstream and expected by the media
"Don't listen to professional critics, they're just shills... Btw be sure to check out Daily Wire's movies!" I love how his claim that audience reviews are all that matter takes place in the same video he completely disrespects his own audience by presenting them with a review of a show he hasn't even watched. Dude's become such a muppet.
Honestly makes me sad cause I love being made fun of in TV and movies when it's done right and they don't make it stupidly offensive they just make it exaggerated from real life in most cases
Case in point, everybody always thought it was hilarious whenever the show made fun of the PC crowd, but when this season decided to take shots at the anti PC crowd as well everybody got their panties in a bunch
Drinker is kinda similar to Filmento when you think about it: both had great critiques in the past but as their channel got more and more attention, the more “infected and intolerant” they became *Btw, glad you kept the cat audio clip in the video, it’s cute yet so funny, that made this evening great
Filmento is still one of the best movie critics out there. For one he never uses the word "woke" to describe the movie, he probably explains as to why a movie is bad. And doesn't say you can't enjoy it or not but points out the flaws and explains it well. No agenda, no nothing. Just good film criticism.
you mean like Dave Chappelle's stand up? Where the critics rated it as bad, and the audience loved it 99%? Is Rotten Tomato's not rated by people's opinions and general votes? Right not a credible source to know if people like something. If you say so.
No I think rotten tomatoes is a good source to see what the public thinks and what critics think. If both good, then its probably good. If the critics are bad and the viewers are good, then its probably not good, but a fun watch. If the critics are good and the viewers bad, then its most likely okay, or good.
@@rayfish007 Meanwhile, Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny sits at an 88% audience score, The Flash at an 83%, and both Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania and The Marvel's at an 82%. Just because something has a high audience score, that doesn't make it good.
@@Seventhplanet538 Yeah when it comes to things driven by the ESG people especially Marvel owned, I imagine they have their own bots that drive stuff like that up. If you look at the comments, you can see how generic those top likes are.
Even though i disagree with this specific review of his, he has many reviews on shows that are actually full woke, white male hater etc. the boys is not this…
@@senate2674 I don’t doubt that there is a bunch of media that is poorly written with poorly done messaging, but this is the same guy who called the Barbie movie “man hating” and “woke”
@@Gouda992but it kind is if any film where they need to stop everything and deliver a super contradictory nonsensical three minute speech about feminism it's probably by most standers "woke". The movie is also weirdly misogynistic in the third act so I guess it's okay if Great Gerwig dislikes both sexes
I'm a huge fan of the show and hated Drinker's "review" but even I gotta agree that S4 got too on-the-nose with the VERY blatant anti-right politics. It was frustratingly stupidly written and felt like it focussed way too much on "owning" only one side of the political spectrum. Frenchie's sub-plots was absolutely frustrating and lead to nothing. And the "hints" people are making up about him could be done by any straight person ever. They just retconned him into being gay and "being burdened" by his past crimes just to do filler sub-plots that completely ruined his character arc that was built over the past three seasons. And all for nothing cuz he ends up with Kimiko any way.
I would like to say something about Frenchie's relationship. When I saw it, I wasn't annoyed that he was bisexual, since as you said it was foreshadowed. However, my issue lies with how they introduced a new relationship with a character most real won't care about instead of building it up first. For example, they met in one of those support groups, right? That's good, however, since when does Frenchie want to get off drugs? Why didn't we get to see his journey of beating while also developing a relationship with the new dude? Another problem with Frenchie is that they keep treading old grounds. Season two was about his past coming to haunt him when we finally learn how he kinda got Mallory's gran kids killed. That was good. Then season three does this again by showing his boss call him out for his murders and how he's a killer. Then season 4 again shows his past coming back to haunt him. They keep giving him a singular arc and refuse to let him grow. Season 4's ending might hint that he's fine now, only for it to repeat the last seaons. It's just getting old
My main problem with his relationship this season is that it's clearly just lazy writing to give him something to do. If they didn't have this plotline, he'd just be working on yet another way to kill supes that either a) works but is only used to kill off a minor character or b) doesn't work at all. Also, it's not even that serious. He even says that it just sorta happened. Yet the audience is supposed to care about their relationship? It's barely anything more than a friend with benefits. There's 0 development shown between them. There's no romantic build-up. It just sorta gets announced. Then, it's revealed what he did in the past, which is supposed to be this huge dilemma. Oh, he loves him, but he hurt him. What is he going to do? 1) It's not that serious to begin with, so just leave, dude. Lie about the reason if you really have to. Crisis averted. 2) It makes no sense for him to even pursue this relationship in the first place, knowing what he did. THAT's the part that's inconsistent with his character. NOT his sexuality. Frenchie is usually one of the more logical, level-headed characters of the group. A risk taker, maybe. An idiot, no. 3) This whole arc is boring and redundant since previous seasons already dive into his past anyway. Total waste of time. Side note: This is more of a personal issue, but this show had a chance to have some good bisexual representation, but they totally blew it. Disappointed.
The show shouldn’t just be about retarded politics like trump and abortion. The show should carry the relationships of the characters first, then the story and setting. The Jewish writers are only using the show to tunnel their political frustrations.
The crazy part about this is how he literally never watched it and his stans would blindly agree with him regardless of what he says. Independent thought is dead to these types of people but somehow they convince themselves they're not sheep themselves.
It's hard to argue that season 4 is GOOD. It's not. The writing is lazy, ham-fisted and preachy. The entire point of the comic source is that supes are not as amazing as people are lead to believe and They Boys bring justice to their bad behavior. Season 4 is, "We don't like anyone who is not us. Here, have some hyperbole." Kripke and the writers have completely abandoned the source material for their own self interest.
"Have you ever even read any of the things I've written" "No. But I've read things that other people have written about the things you've written, and I do not approve of those things." - Brian Griffin
I really don't like Critical Drinker, my father is a big fan of his so whenever he starts watching I have to leave the room, I just find him so obnoxious.
The genuine funny thing is,this is a guy who constantly has his scripts denied by several big time production studios,and sold a few books that failed so badly that I am positive no one here even knew he wrote one. He's a hack that's never actually made anything meaningful and impactful and fakes it basically,hiding behind the crowd that can't handle change or women. "fake it till you make it" basically
It's really not that. The show used to attack the same concepts in a clever broad strokes way that would be timeless; someone watching a decade from now would understand. Somewhere along the way it became "repeat headline, add supe, repeat." The fact none of the defenders of this season can see that is sad, in particular since they are the ones who want to scream about media literacy.
@@BlazingOwnager Yeah, I haven't seen a single cogent defense of the show's decline. It feels like each new season is just a little bit worse than the one before it, so you don't notice it. But if you go back and watch Season 1 after finishing Season 4 it's like...damn. The music is on point. The satire is on point. Everything is punchier and grittier and Homelander actually feels like a threat. It's so good.
@@Arrowslinger2 Yes, yes it is. He claims that the problem with season 4 is that it is more blatant about its political leaning, when he HIMSELF said the show was never subtle or nunaced about that to begin with. Imagine contradicting yourself this hard. Besides the point that he never watched the new season for himself so he has no way of actually telling if the claim of his is even valid to begin with. He also makes very vague ass comments about how the show now only panders to the woke mob etc. when again the show HAS ALWAYS DONE THIS. In the first season it had a whole episode of making fun off extremist christianty and defending gay marriage. You cant get more "woke" than that. There is nothing about the sub-plots of season 4 that wasnt like the sub-plots of previous seasons. They all managed to be sometimes more disconnected from the main plot (Which could be a valid criticism. Although again, that aint nothing new...).
@@Arrowslinger2 Oh it most definitly is. this show has never been subtle with its political messaging, one of the big plot points of season 2 is the fact that Stormfront's popularity is the result of a bunch of guys on laptops generating content just to make people angry for engagement, just like a certain drinker. or what about that extremist christan guy named Ezekial who is not only a villain in season 1 who runs a gay conversion camp, but the series itself goes out of its way to defend gay people.
@@notexactly9145that’s not a contradiction. The show can never be subtle while simultaneously getting increasingly more blatant about its politics. You saying it’s a contradiction is like saying someone who was always obese can’t get fatter.
@@jacobwojciechowski1097 Except that you cant get more obese than the worst stage of it. Cuz otherwise you'd be dead, not obese. So again, either it was always blatant (which he doesnt define btw. It's all just vague nonsense with the guy so you cant actually correct him on specific details). or always subtle. Whats it gonna be? The people responding to him can actually point out how the show has always been the way it is now and that it has not changed much at all (which could be used as an actual criticism). He on the other hand is blatantly wrong.
I love how his comment section they are always complaining about ''the message'' whenever there is satire or a show dealing with topical issues. The thing is they never bother to even explain what message are they talking about. It's just ''sending the message''
When the whole show is about “right=bad & crazy”, uses every black character for racism against whites, constantly referencing Reddit and twitter, uses cheap shock value for substance, and character plots that go absolutely nowhere wasting the audiences time
Eric Kripke literally told variety that Hughie's SA scene was hilarious, reinforcing society's norm on male rape and y'all think he's contrarian and for those of you who say that doesn't undermine the show's writing, IT DOES. Kripke is just like the celebrities he makes fun and that makes his entire show hypocritical
Bro you can't do the whole "either all okay or none of it's okay" "bro i just like edgy comedy if you don't like it you're just sensitive" then whine and complain about shit when you're uncomfortable with it that's now how this work
I love how he admits that the audience score on RT is *semi* reliable. Bro basically poked holes in his own arguement which he already killed by saying he went to rotten tomatoes for reviews and goes on to desecrate his agrument throughout the video. On paper, its not too bad to see the general consensus of a film/series, BUT, one would think to watch it to see if the film/series to see if its that bad or that good. The fact that he based his opinion off reviews of a season he has never seen is baffling because if he just didnt find it interesting, then fine by him. Its the fact he claims the season "Destroyed its own audience" when he hasnt seen it is just..................
Okay Wtf his """""talking Points""" except it's "overely political now" but he doesnt explain why or how he's it's overely political. That's not a talking point that just saying buzzwords and calling it a day
if I get a penny for every video of spider man debunking the worst review of the boys season 4, I'd get 2, and that is not much, but is funny that happened twice
What I find funny about him saying "nobody agrees with Homelander" is Jeremy from geeks and gamers who is someone who's usually on the same panels as him on streams once said "if they're trying to make Homelander be Trump they just made Trump really cool"
So thinking a villain is cool automatically means you agree with what they stand for? So people that think Darth Vader or Kylo Ren are “cool” means they agree with murder? Make it make sense.
@@jacobwojciechowski1097 no its that he said if this is supposed to be Trump he makes Trump even cooler which isn't the point of Homelander and its fine to like a character of its not idolizing one like a political leader
@@bat-seal6293 your comment implies though that him saying “nobody agrees with homelander” and then calling him cool is contradictory. At least, that’s what I took it as.
The idea that season 4, unlike previous seasons, relied on shock value baffles me considering season 4 is arguably one of the tamer seasons on that front, aside from the one sequence with Tek Knight. This kind of backlash was inevitable regardless of the actual content of the show and I can almost guarantee that it will happen again with season 5 with people complaining about how much worse it is than season 4
To not realize that the show had a dip in quality from season 2, 3 and 4 is crazy, I love the show, but it would be braindead to not acknowledge it, things are not as impactful as season 1, the stakes felt higher and almost everything felt that matter, season 3 was mostly pointless
The Critical Drinker is a one note TH-camr in my personal opinion. Whenever a new show comes out he talks about how Woke the she show is. I watched a few videos of his a while ago then realized that his videos are all the same. He needs to focus on understand how to watch a movie or show and get a better in depth analysis.
Will Jordan: "I wasn't exactly brimming with excitement at the prospect of sacrificing another eight hours of my increasingly limited lifespan for the new season." Also Will Jordan: Sacrifices an unknown number of hours of his increasingly limited lifespan to watch, write, record, edit, and post reviews for 'The Acolyte', making reviews for Each. Individual. Episode. (Episodes 1 & 2 are bunched together and there isn't one for episode 4, but you get my point). It's stuff like this that's why I stay away from the culture war, but with a take that's so legitimately questionable as this one, I'll step back into the mud for a few minutes and make a comment anyway. Why is this man trying to critique and criticize a piece of art he hasn't seen? It'd be like me trying to give my take on 'Game of Thrones', a show I haven't seen, or trying to have an opinion on a carnival ride you haven't been on, you can only gather so much from external sources before you have to accept that you haven't been on the ride yourself. You can choose not to consume something because you don't think it looks good, that's fine, but then trying to critique and criticize it anyway is trying to have the best of both worlds and simultaneously making a fool of yourself in both. Also, another note, not seeing this season and critiquing/criticizing it is already questionable enough, but basing the reception of the season off of a 'Rotten Tomatoes' audience score? Why? Online reviewing on those kinds of sites is always kinda shaky just because it's more indicative of the opinions of those who have left a review as opposed to being indicative of the opinions of those who have watched the season. It's like with the 'Elden Ring' dlc being review bombed right now, the people leaving negative reviews are not indicative of the whole of the people who have played the dlc (there are legitimate criticisms towards both 'The Boys' and 'Elden Ring', but even still it's not indicative of the whole public's reception of those projects). In addition to that, 'Rotten Tomatoes' already has a questionable reputation, combined with the fact that user scores are just as likely to be as biased or more biased than the "fvck!ng shills" that Mr. Jordan's talking about, so he's already placing a faulty double standard more strictly on the media critics and more leniant on the audience (I'm not saying the media critics are more correct in their assertions than anyone else, I'm just saying that both takes should be given a grain of salt, since we're all biased in some way or another, be that politically, financially, socially, philosophically, or otherwise). Also why is it that "if you don't think you'll like it, don't watch it" is such a hot take? If something looks like it's getting progressively worse or looks inherrently bad from the getgo, you are entirely allowed to walk away from it and use your time on something you think to be more worthwhile. You could make the argument that it's on the creators and producers to ensure that their products stays consistently good, and that is true that if a project is bad or gets worse then people will stop watching and/or be let down by the product they're consuming (again various outcomes happening to most of the 'Arrowverse' shows in that way). But the problem with this argument is that even if the products are good in quality (subjective, I know) and largely well received (rotten tomatoes is not the place to go to determine that) and still don't seem like something you would enjoy, then that is not on them to force you to engage with the art (contrary to what Mr. Jordan's been saying), it's on you to decide whether or not you choose to keep engaging with said art. Also, regarding his comments on "good storytelling," who gets to decide what that definitively does and does not constitute? There are objective elements within storytelling, such as a story's genre, who the main characters are, where the story takes place, etc. But this becomes an issue when the topic becomes "A happened because B" and one person says "I think this is good" and another says "I think this is bad". We all scale various elements of art in a different way, and as such we take the objective parts of the events within a story and place them under a subjective lens, and this can easily affect what is considered to be good storytelling (even something seemingly universal such as show don't tell), even more so when you haven't seen the art for yourself and are placing that lens over nothing (like is the case here). An argument could be made that Mr. Jordan's takes have more credibility to them because he's written stories of his own through his 'Ryan Drake' series, as well as his upcoming movie which has the trailer on his channel. The problem with this claim is that even in the instance that all of his projects are top tier works, like 'Saving Private Ryan' levels of quality, that doesn't change the fact that Mr. Jordan still holds these personal biases, and is just as susceptible to them as the rest of us are to our own. This is worsened when you aren't aware you hold them, and this can lead to a false idea of an 'objective' lens without considering the fact that you are still looking at something in a biased way. In addition to this, not all of the feedback to his stories have been good, with a large number of the comments on Will's trailer turning against him like dogs, the fact that a large number of reviews for his books say they found him through his channel (not saying that's bad, just that it's questionable that a lot of them preface that before saying they liked the books), and that fact that multiple people have said that this story is one of the most boring things they've ever read, and that it looks like every spy thriller ever put into a blender and then put out into the world. I'm gonna get Ad-Hominemal once and only once, but I don't trust the judgement of "good storytelling" from a man whose book includes, and I'm not kidding here, an entire page's worth describing the history of the AK-47 as well as what it is (that isn't hyperbole and I wish it was, if you have the book 'Redemption', it's on page 389). I've said in other comment sections that Will Jordan has one or two legitimate grains of truth (such as the corporate/business/financial side of art overreaching into the creative side of the art), but honestly, whenever I see clips and videos like these, it makes me question whether steelmanning in this way is worth it with arguments like this. I'm still gonna try steelmanning where I can with stuff like this, just because I never want to be seen as some braindead strawmanning/ad-homineming twitter bot who's only parroting arguments like chatgpt, but even with the steelmanning taking down arguments like this is easier than drawing a triangle. I've said it multiple times before and I'll say it again multiple times hereafter if I choose to, I think the culture war is the biggest waste of time a person could engage in, especially since so much of it lives online and focuses more about complaining that things suck as opposed to doing anything to actively change what currently sucks (assuming the things they're talking about are things that legitimately suck). My advice to anyone who may read this, step away from the outrage, ignore the adult-children (red or blue) and just try to be better than this, because all you get from this conflict is nothing but brain rot, as showcased here. I wish you all the best in your personal lives!
I swear, the Critical Drinker is a hack who couldn’t properly criticize season 4 for anything even if he tried. If he wanted to seriously criticize season 4 for something, then he should have watched it and pointed out how dumb it is that Homelander decided to try and blindly shoot his lasers at the long stretch of vent Hughie was crawling through, instead of just flying up to the long section of vent, like he did with the previous section of vent Hughie was crawling through, or how he did in the following scene when he flew up to catwalk, and lasering Hughie’s ass. He obviously knows Hughie is in that part of vent, because he’s shooting at him, so why not just fly up and laser him? Then, Hughie made it to a catwalk, so Homelander decided to fly up to the catwalk, and slowly walk towards the Hughie, instead of just blitzing towards it with Diabolical speed. Hughie should have been dead, like how The Boys team should have been dead in season 2’s sewer scene.
Honestly I think it’s just part of homelander not actually being that smart, like he constantly makes every situation so much harder for himself by doing things in the messiest and least efficient way he can because for lack of a better term he simply believes he’s that guy
@@Virgil191the thing is, is that Homelander is smart, or at least he was in season 1. Yes, he did accidentally laser the plane controls, despite it being established that he can precisely control his lasers enough, as to not blast right through someone in the previous scene, but that is just the writers being dumb. He has made pretty smart moves, like how he pivoted after he decided not to save the flight 37 passengers, because of reason unknown. Or how he gave the military a good reason to let Supes into the military, by creating supervillains. Despite what Stan Edgar said. And let’s be honest, if Stan wanted to sell Compound-V, and not superheros, since they are a pharmaceutical company, then he would have always needed to tell the military about compound-V. There is also the inconsistency with Homelander blasting through the super villain and hitting a civilian, despite it being established that he can control his laser vision, as to not cause collateral. Besides, Homelander “being dumb,” as the justification for him not killing Hughie, falls apart when you realize he is more than fine with doing everything that would allow him to kill Hughie in the same scene. He’s fine with flying through the vents, but all of a sudden isn’t, he’s fine with flying up onto the catwalk, but wasn’t fine with using his flight to kill Hughie while he was in the vents in the previous scene, the writers can’t keep anything consistent, and blatantly contradict themselves ever second. Honestly, the only valid justification that you could potentially use to defend this shit, is that Homelander is just having fun, and truly doesn’t care. He secretly didn’t care about Maeve releasing the flight 37 footage in season 2’s finale, and just went along with it because it made his game a bit more interesting. He intentionally lasered through the super villain, to cause as much drama for his game as possible, because it doesn’t matter if he burns the world down. That’s really the only logical explanation for his inconsistent behavior.
@speeddemon5339 wouldn't call it inconsistent he couldn't see Hughie because the vent was made of zinc, he couldn't properly hear or see because MM turned up the lights or music, he didn't fly up because he didn't want to cause an incident. It's made very clear that homelander thinks to highly of himself and doesn't think through his actions, he wasn't some mega genius in the first season he was still heavily protected by vought not really striking out this whole season is showing that he can't handle thing as well as he thought he could.
@@mrflamram9966 "He doesn't want to cause an incident" right, that's why he blasted lasers at the vent and caused...an incident? Maybe you mean he didn't want to catch Hughie because he read the script and realized Hughie was supposed to get away?
I can’t be the only one who thought this was more of a review for The Boys S3 than S4. Like, bruh, if bro wanted to review S3 then he should f**king do that, anything’s better than basing his entire review on BS Audience Scores and the same kind of rhetoric he dogwhistles in his videos Also, ignoring the fact that audience scores for tv shows on RT aren’t verified like they are for the movies, I wonder why Drinker doesn’t keep this energy for, oh I donno… Black Widow? The Marvels? Thor 4? Barbie? Sure sounds like he is one of those guys who only praise RT when it’s a score he agrees with and criticizes them when he disagrees with them, doesn’t it?
i like how critical karen here goes to RT to validate his triggered opinion but doesnt use IMDB which has an average episode score for season 4 of 8.0 between 7 episodes. no no no, that goes his methodology of blatant confirmation bias. lol
I do think the satire is less coherent and less effective now since there is no longer a distinction betweem Vought and the Seven/Homelander. Homelander represents reactionary conservatism/fascism, and Vought is used to satirise faux woke corportism, but Homelander now runs Vought... yet still Vought is celebrating pride month and inclusivity & diversity? This doesn't make a lot of sense. Seems like the writers just dumped everything they dislike onto the Seven/Vought to make a point and make some jokes, but this doesn't work with where the narrative has gone. It worked when Homelander was separate from Vought, but not now he runs the company. The Seven is now poltiically incoherent, making diversity hires whilst run by a fascist. Also episodes 2,3 & 5 have been pretty boring. I think I've grown tired of the characters, tbh. There's nowhere else for them to go, nothing new for us to learn. Butcher isn't as novel or unique. It's the same facial expressions, the same cadence, etc. Sometimes shows just run out of ideas. When Homelander isn't on screen doing evil shit, it feels pretty dry.
Commenting this before I watch the video, but Is somebody mad the superhero parody show is more clear that it disagrees with his politics now? Edit: holy shit, he didn’t even watch the thing he’s reviewing?
Wouldn't even call his video a review, just rage bait. The season isnt out fully, and he won't even watch it. He just lost the right to trash other critics.
I'll copy my comment from another video debunking the Drinker video, "The entire point of the show is to use a symbol of hyper-capitalism (superheroes in the modern age) to show us the escalation and eventual downfall of hyper-capitalism and consumerism. Its a warning for us nowadays that is saying 'hey, this is one step further than we are right now, do you want it to get this bad?' I'd argue that reaching this point was inevitable, and that the show is saying the exact same things as before, but with the natural escalation that both narrative fiction AND real life have, it is more overt as the characters in that world become more comfortable being overt with it. " By the way, love the video man!
I genuinely think the Drinker is pretty horrendous and basic in terms of actually criticizing a show. But also agree with the comments that the show, while not completely always in tatters, has been really flawed from the get go. I liked both season 1, 2 and 3 upon initial viewing but when actually rewatching them you can see some really dumb shit. Especially Season 2 where you have things like Annie randomly killing a guy and it never being brought up, while Butcher just fucking smiles at it. Or Noir & Edgar starting an alternate universe where, weirdly enough Butcher and co lived despite it being a canon event that it worked. Because a random picture of some blonde kid being labelled as "Homelander's son" is not really going to cut it as ball gripping blackmail. And not to forget Maeve receiving a jetpack/teleportation for the final fight. But needless to say, the show has had alot of flaws in terms of it's actual events writing-wise. And it's kind of awkward how Drinker can't really pull on any of that besides some generalization.
What really funny is that the show ratings have skyrocketed since this video it’s a 92% on rotten tomatoes right now and 8.7 on IMDb 😂😂😂😂 that drinker guy was so wrong 😂😂😂😂
To me that's more for the last 3 episodes were way better than the first 3, I can't put my finger on it but they've been like a 9/10 compared to the first 3 being 6-7/10.
@@GreyMagee74 that could be or folks just now tuning in from waiting for the season to drop what ever reason you want to give it the show rating have skyrocketed since This video drop
The gay relationship with Frenchie is poorly written, but not for the same reason as many say. It’s bad because it comes out of literally nowhere, and the show doesn’t really set Colin up as someone I’d care about, we know nothing about him or why Frenchie likes him, and it only feels like the show added it because they couldn’t think of anything for Frenchie to do
Almost all other character conflicts have natural buildup over time, which leads to some powerful, intense, and even emotional moments; whereas Frenchie and Colin’s relationship just feels like a desperate attempt at giving Frenchie a conflict
I mean there definitely has been a build up of frenchie feeling worse and worse about the things he did for Nina. We get to see a victim of his actions is someone he actually loves. While Colin as a character isn’t shown much it’s still something that’s been built up
@@ffgoose6363 never said Colin himself had build up I said frenchies consequences was built up over the seasons and the more we learned about his past. We’ve never seen Frenchies past actions affect someone close to him. That’s literally not in a single season so idk what you’re talking about
@@idcblue1527 the more specific idea that it happens to someone he got close to is newer but the simple idea of him being haunted by his previous actions has been done
Every time I see someone call out The Drinker on his BS and show just how empty and full of it his "critiques" are it warms my heart. I commend you for doing so.
All his recent reviews (past few years) are just like this one, he keeps repeating the same vague statements and saying everything is woke, he used to at least be kinda funny.
Whats the point of criticizing content you wont consume. Even if youre right about it, it seems pointless because you werent right due to your own choices and decisions. You happen to be right because you took a wild guess. Its basically gambling. Im all for talking shit about bad shows, but you gotta at least talk shit from personal experience not from "my friend said it was bad so its bad"
I've been watching season 4. It's on par with the rest. I do feel like there's something missing but I can't put my finger on it. Overall I'm enjoying it. It is intended to make you uncomfortable. If you're too uncomfortable, you don't have to watch
You clearly have not watched the Critical Drinker enough and are just eating up the left wing narrative of him. He doesn’t criticize solely based on politics or wokeness, he actually makes genuine criticism of the quality and writing of a film/show. He’s also even made it clear that he refrains from using the word woke. And before you argue that I’m not giving “examples” or “evidence” of this, actually watch his videos if you want that.
@ He made it very clear in his video that he didn’t watch the season because he felt like the series was getting progressively worse and that this season would’ve been more of the same. I don’t disagree that he should’ve watched the season before discussing it, but it’s clear that his video wasn’t meant to be a review but rather discussing the controversy surrounding the season.
I don’t think bro was reviewing the show, he was just talking about the backlash, which maybe some of his fans will run with in a certain way, but I don’t think it’s fair to blame him for that. He’s just some dude, I take it with a grain of salt.
So, here the downfall of the Critical Drinker begins, his pandering to the crowd (and lacking interest, otherwise he would have at least watched 1 episode, just to make the video) becoming not just obvious, but transparent. I am actually waiting for an apology video, given even in his comment section there are people who are not satisfied.
Like said in the intro if u think:
- Season 4 is bad
- Any of the seasons are bad
- Or you just have criticisms of the show
The next disagreement day will start Monday 7/8 4pm EST
After ep.4 season 4 for anyone to think this show is on a decline is crazy 😂. Great video.
Hey, Shadiversity did a review on his channel “Knight’s Watch” for Across The Spiderverse and… it felt quite harsh. He did bring up some good points, but I felt like he blew a few things out of proportion.
Could you maybe do a video to see if he is actually being a bit unfair? Sorry, it’s just you seem to have better insight when debunking things.
@@Biggcatxyou actually just have to use your eyes. It’s not a hard concept, just compare this seasons numbers to the preexisting 3.🤦🏻♂️
I disagree with you about the show’s political alignment. The show is pretty leftist (and that’s part of its charm imo). At its core, it is a satire of capitalism and American fascism.
What you describe as a critique of leftism in your attempt to defend the point that they pick on both sides reads more as a critique of liberalism than leftism.
Like with A-Train in his Wakanda fit. It’s a critique of the liberal mindset that all we need is a Black president/cop/ceo to “end racism” when in reality those people will serve the exact same function as their predecessor (i.e. to preserve the irreconcilable class antagonisms created under capitalism). A-Train was about as helpful to Black folks hurt by Blue Hawk as Obama was to folks in the Middle East.
But I don’t see what that has to do with leftism. That’s liberalism. Leftists denounce this kind of problem-solving as a perversion of their ideals for the sake of capitalist imperialism. They’ve done it with Obama, Hillary, Kamala, etc.
I know you don’t like politics, but it’s pretty reductive to conflate this with the left and treat it as representative of the “other side.” Those plot points you describe as a “critique of the left” involve characters who are very obviously not on the left.
They’ve had numerous opportunities to make fun of the ideals inherent to leftism, but they don’t. They usually just make fun of the corporations that exploit those ideals for profit.
This is entirely different from how they treat the right. They make fun of the right’s ideology itself, not just the people who exploit it. They explicitly make fun of the homophobia and transphobia. They don’t make fun of people for being gay or trans. They make fun of the “All Lives Matter” crowd. They don’t make fun of the people saying Black Lives Mattter. They make fun of Trump’s movement, not the people who protest in opposition.
Your gay
Review was so bad we thought up the same title 😤
HE COPIED MY WHOLE FKIN FLOW
WORD FOR WORD BAR FOR BAR
@@C0LIN. Scorched Earth...
And both dropped nearly the same time too 😤
@@C0LIN.The fact that you guys became pretty much internet buddies is still one of the most wholesome things on the internet NGL
SK IM A FAN
If you review a show,movie,game,etc, and you haven’t watched/played it, then your opinion is kinda voided, cause you don’t have the full context.
i wish more people said stuff like this in the video game sphere
Thank you!
What's funny is The Critical Drinker made this very point himself in his review of The Last of Us Part 2. Maybe he just forgot?
if only people on the internet is more smarter than that
The video isn't a review. He never says it is. It's about how the season 1 had a higher RT score than the new season. And using that as a way to prove the show has fallen off.
One of Critical Drinker’s favorite female characters is Stormfront. He hated the scene when Stormfront was given a beat down by the other 3 female supes, and called it “forced”.
His mask almost came off..lol
@@serrahighsfinest Critical Drinker pretty much complained about Eric Kripke
Thats pretty odd
But...she's a Nazi..? Who would care if a Nazi got jumped?
Stormfront is a good character, regardless of her gender. Though obviously not a good person
This isn't a review, that would require him to watch the show
What?
@C0LIN. in order to "review" something you would need to actually watch the show. Which he didn't.
@@mcbadrobotvoice8155you actually got a point. Calling it a REview implies he already viewed it.
@@C0LIN.he never watched it, and he used rotten tomatoes to prove how hated it is (even though he also tries to say Rotten Tomatoes is bad and not trustworthy in other situations)
He wasnt talking about you, he was referring to drinker. @C0LIN.
I don't understand how anyone can be saying the whole season sucks ass when the whole season ain't even out yet
I don't know why rotten tomatoes let's reviews go out for the seasons that aren't even done. Like keep the page review free until the final episode is out.
Watch his video; its not what he said. He said the season isn't worth watching based on where the show was going and thus he WON'T be doing a review because he's lost interest.
@@kleindropper I still think it's stupid
@@kleindropper Me when a shows building towards one of the best finales in media but two guys kiss at one point lmao.
I don't know why people even think these 5 episodes are bad? they're literally the best episodes of the entire show. when I was watching season 3, I didn't really feel anything, but season 4 has given me the same feeling as when I first saw season 1
genuinely shocked at how nothing of a review this is of "the boys"
genuinely you could take his entire script, make some minor changes to recontextualize it and then apply it to some other "woke" product that's airing right now
this was not a review nor was it made to insight a meaningful discussion about negative changes that were changing the quality of the show for the worse, this was simply a means to virtue signal with other people that either already agree with him or don't know why they're supposed to be calling it woke and just looking for some form of validation
you just described every critical drinker's video
I swear this is my biggest problem with this dude.All he does is making generic not specific grif-statements and is butt hurt about culture wars.
He is the junk food of TH-cam reviews, doesn't really provide anything of value, but when you want to watch someone tear down a terrible show/movie that you don't like while making jokes that are sometimes funny, it's alright to indulge a little
@@Monkeylighthouse You only notice how bad and empty his reviews are when he criticizes a show that actually has a decent plot. Its easy to hate on stuff like the acolyte, ahsoka and the new dr who, because they dont just throw alot of politics around but simply because theyre horrible and nonsensical. There was one Dr Who episode where the plot points were never resolved and the episode retconned itsself, truly an awesome waste of my time.
When I’m in a media illiteracy battle and my opponent is critical drinker:
You win
@@thegreatacolyt1277You might hurt yourself the way you’re choking on it bro careful
Buzzword
put Lily Orchard in that battle instead of yourself, and then you'll have a "finally a worthy opponent our battle will be legendary" moment
😮
Critical drinker when The Boys makes fun of the left: I sleep
Critical drinker when The Boys makes fun of the right: real shit
When a show like that makes fun of both sides of politics (which honestly, nowadays they're both garbage in their own ways) I'd happily support it.
@@LamiaLoverseason 1 and 2 (up to the finale) were both pretty fair at shitting on both sides of the aisle, season 2 finale is when they decided to stop satirizing the left as much or at least not to the same degree, season 3 the writers lost the plot, season 4 is just shock value as they waste time building up to the season 5 finale. Its edgelord powerfantasy at its core, so youre really not missing much if you dont watch it.
When did the show make fun of the left in season 4?
@@LamiaLoverTHANK YOU!!! It’s refreshing to hear that from people.
@@josephkeen7224 I held the same feelings for years. Both the modern day left and right devolved into throwing shit at each other like chimpanzees in the zoo.
"It's so dumb that they're giving everyone a complete character arc" 💀💀💀
I saw someone say that they’d rather Kimiko just be muscle because they don’t care about her storyline. 😭
A complete character "arc"? More like a hamster wheel ...
4 seasons in and every single character except A train is telling the same story. Frenchie and Kimiko are the exact same S4 as they were in S2. Huey is regressing, not progressing, as a character and as a person. His sexual abuse and trickery used against him is played as laughs, or as tacit permission for Starlight to abuse him further. I've legitimately forgotten why MM is still hmm-hawing over getting his family back, or sticking with the plan to kill Homelander. Starlight's character arc has been 'I become more tired and more gaunt every season and deliver my lines in hoarse whispers' for 3 seasons, confronting her past time and time again, and only solving it through wanton violence. How'd she even get into the most secure bunker on the planet to save the President-Elect, anyways?
This isn't a defense of The Drinker, by the way- he's a hack fraud who doesn't even watch the shows he comments on- but no one in The Boys except A Train is getting an actual character progression.
@@Shamino1 exactly. The characters are either on a hamster wheel going nowhere ot fading away like Hughie and MM.
@@DeePal072 ☝🤓
One thing I disagree with you on, the “Training A-train” movie that they show isn’t mocking the left, they’re mocking white savior narratives like The Blind Side, movies that are about minority athletes, actors, celebrities who “made it out of the ghetto” because of a of a white mentor figure. portraying their neighborhoods as nothing but crime infested cesspools like Gotham City, reinforcing negative stereotypes of these communities. Like how they portray A-train’s brother as some drug dealer when in reality, he was A-Train’s coach, not the wealthy white guy who Will Ferrell plays.
These people see what they want to see, perception is reality to them.
How are you not disagreeing with the title of this video??? You cant debunk a fucking opinion.
I mean I understand what you're saying and I agree, but they verbatim mention the "sensitivity reading" stuff it's clearly doing what I said as well
@@g00gleisgayerthanaids56 Look up the definition of debunk than come back to me
@@C0LIN. you can not debunk a matter of taste guy... it is inherently subjective... which means it isnt worth scrutiny... learn fuckin english.
so the left
Says he has better things to do, and then watches and reviews the Acolyte. Truly one of the critics of all time.
After saying he would stop reviewing it too.
Yeah, it’s almost as if he’s deliberately prioritising content people already hate before it comes out to maximise the views per episode. (I vividly remember him skipping out on a rather positive seen film by WB back in December while giving full attention to Aquaman 2)
Well, to be far, it saves all of us from wasting watching 35-45mins of sh#t.
@@mkno2799 you could save 10 extra minutes by not watching his shit either
@@mkno2799 His collective review of each episode practically adds up to those 35 minutes, so I wouldn’t exactly be making up time from just watching the first episode to conclude that myself (keeping in mind that he’s skipped ep 4).
This isn't even a review. It's just some guy yapping based on clips he's seen and word of mouth. His opinion is entirely invalid
As bad as the tiktok the boys fans crowd 😂😂
Where does he call it a review at all?
@@KinoFlexReviewswhat would you call someone making a video giving their opinions about the new season of a show?
The worst part is he didn’t even watch season 4. 😂
He saved himself a bullet. It's sucked so far
@@Cherry-pu4mx
The video just discussed this, explain your point
@@Cherry-pu4mxYou loved it until frenchie kissed a dude, right?
@@Cherry-pu4mxso why make a review of something you haven’t seen
That's why he didn't call this video a review of season 4. It's about how the show was more liked in season 1 compared to 4.
"The Critical Drinker". I think bro should quit drinking,it's definitely not doing any good for the guy's physical and mental health.
You mean critical brain damage?
a critical drinker isnt a critical thinker
I’m not going to lie, I *used* to watch drinker’s videos. I’ll be damned if I ever trust the words of an alcoholic again lol
I mean what do you expect from the dude that I nicknamed him "The OnlyUseMeBlade of bad reviewers"?
Fr should rename himself "The Chronic Yapper". Feels more fitting for his content.
The Uncritical Drunk did not even watch this season, yet he is complaining about the problem with the show. He is watching The Acolyte, but refuses to watch The Boys. What a joke. The guy is a partisan hack that can't stand that a show he considers to be woke and held up a mirror to his side is good.
Well yeah because he can’t make money critising the Boys. He obviously knows that the reviews are inauthentic and so he knows that he can’t review every episode. That is as much of a blatant endorsement as you can get because you just know that if there was a single thing actually wrong with the series he would have latched onto it and used it as an antiwoke talking piece but he knows he can’t because his only evidence that it is bad is the word of some butthurt right wing trolls who review bombed a perfectly decent show.
Took critical drinker 4 seasons in to catch the joke lmao.
Dude is a right wing nut job. Why do u think he hated season 4
He literally says he noticed it in season 3, are you restarted?
*Bisexual Maeve and Stormfront looking each other*
@@Ben-zg8xk Same difference. 😂
Marvel fan ass argument. Repeat the same shit and hope others parrot it 😂
I use to follow the drinker because he use to make valid reviews to things that were objectively bad....now he just rages and moans and things he thinks he understands and doesn't actually make a point. It's just yea. i didn't like this, and it was because of pandering, and that's why it's bad....like give me examples. you can tear acolyte apart and make sense, but when a show is actually good, there is no actual reason.
I used to watch some of his vids even though I thought they weren’t good reviews, because I found them funny. But he eventually got old after a while saying the same stuff over and over again.
@@C0LIN. Literal definition of insanity.
Crazy how you complain about the drinker but your review of him is literally what you accuse him of doing... examples please?????
@@C0LIN.True
@@C0LIN. well you have to give him credit for because at least he’s not as annoying or loud or unbearable as mannix is
These anti-SJWs are starting to become just as insufferable as the SJWs they complain about. Good vid. Subscribed.
The more extreme you are on the aisle, the more annoying you are
starting to?
They’ve always been like that as they project themselves onto everyone and everything all the time while in the same breath saying that they’re correct and great.
@@j.i.nthenobody54 Horseshoe Theory of Bugging the Fuck Out of Me
One time a saw a review of this show and it complained about not enough female nudity while having to much male nudity
bruh
Yeah I’ve seen a lot of comments like this, I always tell them “Yeah no shit, they know they have a mainly male audience so to fuck with us they show dicks and shit” lmao
W review
Which review was it?
@@mrsolarsun7174 the What is Real review, he pinned the comment about the nudity
Critical drinker is not a critical thinker
To be fair none of the defenders of the shift in tone are either. Either they cannot see there's been a huge shift from attacking an ideology to just copying headlines over the four seasons and they have the same responses to the point if I found out there's a bunch of GPT bots running around defending the show, I would not be shocked. "It was always political." "Just figure out who it is making fun of?" "Learn media literacy." It's like copy+paste defense with zero nuance actually discussing how the show has changed or even acknowledging it. I don't like being preached to even when I agree with a message, and it's become quite preachy.
@@BlazingOwnagerFair point. But I think it's harder and harder to do parody these days because the world itself is so ridiculous now.
You kinda have to go overboard and anvilicious or there will be no difference to the real life now.
in fairness how many alcoholics have a good thought process
Great joke. The drinker deserved getting roasted
Rather, he's the Critical Twinkler
anyone reviewing anything from a culture war pov is immediately invalid to me
Why?
@@kleindropper because those people don't talk about what is wrong or right about the content, but instead talk about what culture war topic they dissagree with.
@@kleindropper they offer nothing valuable to the conversation-no vakuable insight or critique just focused on "le wokeness", and all that grift
@@kleindropper You can only glean so much from the opinion of "black people and woman bad cause ew."
@@kleindropper Because whoever thinks the culture war isn't completely pointless and a massive waste of time is an idiot.
Bro the season isn't even over yet jeeez
drinker didnt even watch the season regardless lol he's just yapping
"Show is getting bad, it lacks something" yeah like 5 episodes.
@@mrheherdisruptor8975 5 episodes is more than half of the season
@@ebenade1 Exactly
@@mrheherdisruptor8975 "This show feels so lacking and undermined, it’s almost as if 3 more episodes and it could’ve completed the story it set out for itself!"
As a leftist myself, the show doesn’t make fun of leftism so much as it satires corporations co opting leftist language and ideals but all to sale their product or brand at the end of the day. This isn’t me trying to cope with sour grapes either. The Hunt which had liberal coded rich antagonists literally hunting conservative influencers copped out by having the protagonist just be neutral instead of a Trump supporter. It would’ve been better to have her as a Trump supporter because that way it can actually challenge your perceptions instead of just being able to root for someone trying to live.
how anyone has watched this show and not realized it critiques right wing politics and propaganda is beyond me
@@myra-yveswhere do you get the impression people don’t know this?
God forbid a show make fun of an ideology as self contradictory and fallacious as leftism, amirite comrades? 🤓
@@myra-yvesit’s not that the show critiquing the right is inherently an issue that right wingers like myself have a problem with. It’s the fact that the earlier seasons did a much better job at critiquing the right in a more tongue-in-cheek manner that was clever. Plus, the writing, plot, characters, and storytelling were all compelling enough to make me interested despite the clear political jabs against my side of the aisle. Season 4 basically throws this all out the window, as the writers basically just throw out any subtlety and cleverness. Examples being the blatant vilification of Trump supporters, and retconning Frenchie into having a gay relationship, along with the myriad of other issues the season has with itself.
@@flingymingythey just want to feel smarter than others 😂
Drinker: “Frankly I’ve got better things to do with my time.”
Me: “Dude your not just drinking man your also watching The Acolyte. You’re not interested period (anything superhero related).”
Well i feel for people that are watching the acolyte. My best hopes and wishes go to them
@@Castigar48 ironically, if I had to watch the acolyte, I will probably do the same, drink and watch (maybe with friends, just saying). For the record, I consider myself also a Star Wars fan (a causal) but to be fair, I know what to watch. For any recommendations just watch Andor for live action Star Wars.
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Currently, I mean
@captaincritter6173 i tried with andor but idk the first 3 episodes i was bored watching. I cant explain i will try and give it another chance another time
@@Castigar48 you’re not wrong (it’s almost like breaking bad, slow pacing but has a big buildup and very story focused instead of action) but may I suggest Star Wars the Clone wars then. Trust me, that’s way better and has a lot more action as well.
@captaincritter6173 now OGs remember gendys clone wars.
“I’m gonna make a review of the season based on reading reviews of it on Rotten Tomatoes and not actually watching the show. WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?!”😑
the worst part about this "review" is that is not even a review, the guy didn't even saw the freacking season, he has done a lot of bad things reviewing in the past, but this takes the cake, it baffles me how many people defend this clown and call him a genius, the fact that we've come ot the point where people just agree with criticism of a guy who hasn't even watched the show is so stupid, at the end of the day, the guy is just to say things that a certain group of people agree with, not a critci but an echo chamber
The video was never called a review
@@HakiKingEntertainment most of his videos aren’t
@@fernandodecarlosmalcher7977 Yeah all the vids that aren't marked as one surely aren't while the videos that do have that mark like black panther are and do go into specifics like a proper review
@@HakiKingEntertainment maybe there’s a point there, not sure if I agree with it still the video still terrible saying the show fell off without even watching it and basing that rotten tomatoes reviews and interviews about the cast that were just about how they don’t share the same values as him
@@fernandodecarlosmalcher7977 Because the video is about what the title says it's about, the way it pushed away it's audience.
The main point was that he does make real reviews as I've seen but in videos like these he speaks with the expectation you've already watched it, I agree to make his point better he should've done so but it was his choice and he was still correct
this video here points out the problems directly th-cam.com/video/qDOOq4EWbcY/w-d-xo.html
if I had a nickel for every time i've seen a youtuber with a spiderman model reacting to a review by the critical drinker about the new season of the boys i would have two which isn't a lot but its weird it happened twice
Fun fact: When guys like Drinker say stuff like “Oh I’m so tired of seeing politics in my media” they’re not actually tired of seeing politics at all. They just don’t like the politics being shown. Media has always been political. But I guess it’s impossible to have an actual conversation about this stuff when the word “woke” exists.
When people say "don't put politics in media." They mean "Don't put politics in media i disagree with"
There's a thing called freedom of expression.
@@gameguy20100yeah but the problem is that it makes out everyone who disagrees with them politically to be an idiot for having a different opinion. This divided people even more and causes more fighting in politics
I think both sides have a point here. While media has always been political to varying degrees and sometimes it is the joke, I’d also be lying if I said the show hasn’t gotten less and less subtle about which side of the isle they’re endorsing. There does come a point where the politics go from a natural part of the story to being the script writer wanking his side. Not to mention the show does feel a lot more disjointed and uninteresting with some of its side plots, particularly Frenchie.
Overall, I would say (at least so far) season 4 is the weakest season but it’s pointing at woke is more a symptom of the problem rather than looking at the problem as a whole.
Guess he didn’t notice the man whose cape is modeled after the American flag in the previous 3 seasons. He must’ve thought the people who made the show only put it there for cosmetic reasons
When people complain about "politics" in media, theyre complaining about real world contemporary politics being shoehorned into their escapism/entertainment... the boys season 3-4 is the modern progressives' orwellian 2 minutes' hate.
It’s funny how season 4 predicted DrDisrespect.
How?
@@oXRaptorzXo Firecracker.
@@fulcrum6760 Oh right, got it. Even the self report and everything lmao.
@@fulcrum6760 Firecracker? Is he like a parody of the streamer?
@@blknmongl342sort of she just has a very right wing podcast
15:22 "I identify with Homelander more than any other superhero"
Homelander: *kills hundreds of innocent people, facilitates the creation of super-powered t***orists, SAs and impregnates an unwilling woman, imprisons another woman and threatens to harvest her eggs, encourages his son to be dismissive with and violent to non-supes...*
Me: Someone check on the people around this guy, please
Bro is evil
The critical drinker more like the critical mid
FR
More like Critical Brain Damage.
Critical brain rot
Got em
@@C0LIN. i stopped watching him the moment I grew out of my hating on sjw shit because those better things to do besides hating on something
Honestly what it sounds like is that critical drinker just wants the show to become more like Riverdale where instead of creating an actually interesting story he wants a show that the fans are dictating.
Show woulda been fine had it continued to satirize the left to the same degree as season 1. South park only works because it makes fun of everyone, same with the boys. Crazy how the boys shat all over the right/conservatives in season 1 and the drinker gave it a glowing review and a recommendation to his audience but now all of a sudden he supposedky has a problem wuth the show shitting on conservatives???? You people have no logic...
If fans are not enjoying the story being put out, what is the point of watching that as entertainment? Maybe people prefer entertainment, not constant bombardment of propaganda, because some people do not appreciate brainwash tactics.
@@rayfish007good point, I wonder if the boys is doing that. I haven’t seen the show, so I can’t say where they took it. Similar to how Critical drinker hasn’t.
@@Starman062 I think if anything gets popular, they start slipping that stuff in there. The good old divide and conquer tactic. I'm hearing episode 4 is good though. I was getting depressed with the first 2 episodes. It's hard to find anything that isn't pushing politics these days. I can deal with it a little if it pays off. I just hope this one doesn't end up being like so many other shows that went too far one way or the other.
@@rayfish007The problem there is what drew you to the show in the first place? It wasn’t some great collective of fan expectations and popular trends that created something like “Harry Potter.” It was a sad woman trying to cope with her mother’s passing through writing that did that.
Was hoping more people would talk about how bad this video is. Thanks Colin for being one of the few youtubers who has the balls to call out these larger channels when they make bad takes.
Go watch the video that HighCHD did debunking this trash video by the critical drinker. Ironically, he uses Spider-Man gameplay as well. Lol
there have been plenty that shits on TCD, i been enjoying it
It’s not having balls. It’s the only way small channels can get views. Trash on the big dogs. And that’s a bipartisan issue.
@@garenthal9638 do me a favor and shut up. Yeah?
Your man who said the girl who was going to commit die in season 3 was a coward for not going through with it is an absolute menace 💀💀💀
The Boys making fun of performative activism isn't "making fun of both sides," its making fun of performative activists, who aren't remotely left wing. The Starlighters are the only ones remotely left wing in the show and they get played completely straight
Performative activism is a left wing thing though - Malcomx
that guy's videos... 💀
he’s mad at artists for expressing their personal beliefs through art while at the same time accusing them of adapting whatever politically correct beliefs are mainstream and expected by the media
"Don't listen to professional critics, they're just shills... Btw be sure to check out Daily Wire's movies!"
I love how his claim that audience reviews are all that matter takes place in the same video he completely disrespects his own audience by presenting them with a review of a show he hasn't even watched. Dude's become such a muppet.
He has only reviewed one of “Daily wires” movies and he called it Mediocre
@@lutajucientropija6643 Oh no not facts. You know these people can't stand that.
@@lutajucientropija6643he interviewed Ben Shapiro where they to promote another daily wire movie
@@lutajucientropija6643 He reviewed Terror on the Prairie and said it was good.
@@lutajucientropija6643 Promoted Snow White too.
These reviewers proving once again that no one has a problem with edgy jokes, they just have a problem when those jokes are pointed at them.
Honestly makes me sad cause I love being made fun of in TV and movies when it's done right and they don't make it stupidly offensive they just make it exaggerated from real life in most cases
Case in point, everybody always thought it was hilarious whenever the show made fun of the PC crowd, but when this season decided to take shots at the anti PC crowd as well everybody got their panties in a bunch
Drinker is kinda similar to Filmento when you think about it: both had great critiques in the past but as their channel got more and more attention, the more “infected and intolerant” they became
*Btw, glad you kept the cat audio clip in the video, it’s cute yet so funny, that made this evening great
@@aceultraboss Oh no, filmento has fallen to the dark side? 🤢
Oh well, another one falls....
Wait, what did filmento do?
What did filmento do though?
Filmento's still good when discussing film instead of the politics of film.
Filmento is still one of the best movie critics out there. For one he never uses the word "woke" to describe the movie, he probably explains as to why a movie is bad. And doesn't say you can't enjoy it or not but points out the flaws and explains it well. No agenda, no nothing. Just good film criticism.
In a nutshell the critical Drinker is overrated and Rotten Tomatoes is not a credible Source at all that makes a lot of sense and good video👍
Whats a better source for critic reviews?
you mean like Dave Chappelle's stand up? Where the critics rated it as bad, and the audience loved it 99%? Is Rotten Tomato's not rated by people's opinions and general votes? Right not a credible source to know if people like something. If you say so.
No I think rotten tomatoes is a good source to see what the public thinks and what critics think. If both good, then its probably good. If the critics are bad and the viewers are good, then its probably not good, but a fun watch. If the critics are good and the viewers bad, then its most likely okay, or good.
@@rayfish007 Meanwhile, Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny sits at an 88% audience score, The Flash at an 83%, and both Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania and The Marvel's at an 82%. Just because something has a high audience score, that doesn't make it good.
@@Seventhplanet538 Yeah when it comes to things driven by the ESG people especially Marvel owned, I imagine they have their own bots that drive stuff like that up. If you look at the comments, you can see how generic those top likes are.
The critical drinker made a bad review. Oh how shocking
Not a review tho
Even though i disagree with this specific review of his, he has many reviews on shows that are actually full woke, white male hater etc. the boys is not this…
@@senate2674 I don’t doubt that there is a bunch of media that is poorly written with poorly done messaging, but this is the same guy who called the Barbie movie “man hating” and “woke”
@@Gouda992but it kind is if any film where they need to stop everything and deliver a super contradictory nonsensical three minute speech about feminism it's probably by most standers "woke". The movie is also weirdly misogynistic in the third act so I guess it's okay if Great Gerwig dislikes both sexes
@@trevin277 dawg get outta here drinker fan
I'm a huge fan of the show and hated Drinker's "review" but even I gotta agree that S4 got too on-the-nose with the VERY blatant anti-right politics. It was frustratingly stupidly written and felt like it focussed way too much on "owning" only one side of the political spectrum. Frenchie's sub-plots was absolutely frustrating and lead to nothing. And the "hints" people are making up about him could be done by any straight person ever. They just retconned him into being gay and "being burdened" by his past crimes just to do filler sub-plots that completely ruined his character arc that was built over the past three seasons. And all for nothing cuz he ends up with Kimiko any way.
he was shown to be in a relationship involving a man in season 2. him liking men wasn't "retconned" lmao
@@fisthau In no way his friendship with that guy had implied romance in S2
I would like to say something about Frenchie's relationship.
When I saw it, I wasn't annoyed that he was bisexual, since as you said it was foreshadowed. However, my issue lies with how they introduced a new relationship with a character most real won't care about instead of building it up first. For example, they met in one of those support groups, right?
That's good, however, since when does Frenchie want to get off drugs? Why didn't we get to see his journey of beating while also developing a relationship with the new dude?
Another problem with Frenchie is that they keep treading old grounds.
Season two was about his past coming to haunt him when we finally learn how he kinda got Mallory's gran kids killed.
That was good.
Then season three does this again by showing his boss call him out for his murders and how he's a killer.
Then season 4 again shows his past coming back to haunt him.
They keep giving him a singular arc and refuse to let him grow.
Season 4's ending might hint that he's fine now, only for it to repeat the last seaons.
It's just getting old
They’re killing him off fs
My main problem with his relationship this season is that it's clearly just lazy writing to give him something to do. If they didn't have this plotline, he'd just be working on yet another way to kill supes that either a) works but is only used to kill off a minor character or b) doesn't work at all.
Also, it's not even that serious. He even says that it just sorta happened. Yet the audience is supposed to care about their relationship? It's barely anything more than a friend with benefits. There's 0 development shown between them. There's no romantic build-up. It just sorta gets announced.
Then, it's revealed what he did in the past, which is supposed to be this huge dilemma. Oh, he loves him, but he hurt him. What is he going to do?
1) It's not that serious to begin with, so just leave, dude. Lie about the reason if you really have to. Crisis averted.
2) It makes no sense for him to even pursue this relationship in the first place, knowing what he did. THAT's the part that's inconsistent with his character. NOT his sexuality. Frenchie is usually one of the more logical, level-headed characters of the group. A risk taker, maybe. An idiot, no.
3) This whole arc is boring and redundant since previous seasons already dive into his past anyway. Total waste of time.
Side note: This is more of a personal issue, but this show had a chance to have some good bisexual representation, but they totally blew it. Disappointed.
My face when a political satire with superheroes gets more political:😮
The show shouldn’t just be about retarded politics like trump and abortion. The show should carry the relationships of the characters first, then the story and setting. The Jewish writers are only using the show to tunnel their political frustrations.
Bro didn't even watch the show and is commenting on how it lacks good writing💀
The crazy part about this is how he literally never watched it and his stans would blindly agree with him regardless of what he says.
Independent thought is dead to these types of people but somehow they convince themselves they're not sheep themselves.
All he ever did was review movie and write horrible books if that what get people to idolize you than I legit feel sorry for these people.
It's hard to argue that season 4 is GOOD. It's not. The writing is lazy, ham-fisted and preachy. The entire point of the comic source is that supes are not as amazing as people are lead to believe and They Boys bring justice to their bad behavior. Season 4 is, "We don't like anyone who is not us. Here, have some hyperbole." Kripke and the writers have completely abandoned the source material for their own self interest.
"Have you ever even read any of the things I've written"
"No. But I've read things that other people have written about the things you've written, and I do not approve of those things." - Brian Griffin
I really don't like Critical Drinker, my father is a big fan of his so whenever he starts watching I have to leave the room, I just find him so obnoxious.
Daim u have a good father
@@Thebeautyofediting Of course I have a good father, a difference in taste wouldn't change that.
cucked by his own father :D
The genuine funny thing is,this is a guy who constantly has his scripts denied by several big time production studios,and sold a few books that failed so badly that I am positive no one here even knew he wrote one.
He's a hack that's never actually made anything meaningful and impactful and fakes it basically,hiding behind the crowd that can't handle change or women. "fake it till you make it" basically
This is the epitome of “is this fucking play about us”
Political propagandized brainwash. yes. Enjoy your fearmongering. the Nazi are coming.
It's really not that. The show used to attack the same concepts in a clever broad strokes way that would be timeless; someone watching a decade from now would understand.
Somewhere along the way it became "repeat headline, add supe, repeat." The fact none of the defenders of this season can see that is sad, in particular since they are the ones who want to scream about media literacy.
@@BlazingOwnager Yeah, I haven't seen a single cogent defense of the show's decline. It feels like each new season is just a little bit worse than the one before it, so you don't notice it. But if you go back and watch Season 1 after finishing Season 4 it's like...damn. The music is on point. The satire is on point. Everything is punchier and grittier and Homelander actually feels like a threat. It's so good.
@@JD-wu5pf Yep! I actually did that after hearing the 1,000th "it was always.." and it was night and day.
Fun fact, a lot of bad reviews are made by accounts that only voted this particular show, this particular season.
They are probably bots/fake account.
Maybe the show was just actually bad. The first season was great but has had a steep decline since with the writer being replaced with a Jew
Wait, they were mocking me the whole time? Ahh moment 💀💀💀
Thats definitely not the issue drinker has.
@@Arrowslinger2 Yes, yes it is. He claims that the problem with season 4 is that it is more blatant about its political leaning, when he HIMSELF said the show was never subtle or nunaced about that to begin with. Imagine contradicting yourself this hard. Besides the point that he never watched the new season for himself so he has no way of actually telling if the claim of his is even valid to begin with.
He also makes very vague ass comments about how the show now only panders to the woke mob etc. when again the show HAS ALWAYS DONE THIS. In the first season it had a whole episode of making fun off extremist christianty and defending gay marriage. You cant get more "woke" than that. There is nothing about the sub-plots of season 4 that wasnt like the sub-plots of previous seasons. They all managed to be sometimes more disconnected from the main plot (Which could be a valid criticism. Although again, that aint nothing new...).
@@Arrowslinger2 Oh it most definitly is.
this show has never been subtle with its political messaging, one of the big plot points of season 2 is the fact that Stormfront's popularity is the result of a bunch of guys on laptops generating content just to make people angry for engagement, just like a certain drinker.
or what about that extremist christan guy named Ezekial who is not only a villain in season 1 who runs a gay conversion camp, but the series itself goes out of its way to defend gay people.
@@notexactly9145that’s not a contradiction. The show can never be subtle while simultaneously getting increasingly more blatant about its politics. You saying it’s a contradiction is like saying someone who was always obese can’t get fatter.
@@jacobwojciechowski1097 Except that you cant get more obese than the worst stage of it. Cuz otherwise you'd be dead, not obese.
So again, either it was always blatant (which he doesnt define btw. It's all just vague nonsense with the guy so you cant actually correct him on specific details). or always subtle. Whats it gonna be? The people responding to him can actually point out how the show has always been the way it is now and that it has not changed much at all (which could be used as an actual criticism). He on the other hand is blatantly wrong.
"They changed frenchie noooo!!!" Bro his whole backstory is about his boyfriend od'ing did they even watch the show ?
It feels like most of the people who have a problem with it are Frenchie and Kimiko shippers
I love how his comment section they are always complaining about ''the message'' whenever there is satire or a show dealing with topical issues.
The thing is they never bother to even explain what message are they talking about. It's just ''sending the message''
DEI stuff basically
@@thekrakensdaughter which is even more vague and blanketed (and probably racist)
When the whole show is about “right=bad & crazy”, uses every black character for racism against whites, constantly referencing Reddit and twitter, uses cheap shock value for substance, and character plots that go absolutely nowhere wasting the audiences time
9:39 it wasn’t very funny, that’s just one of the only 2 jokes they have, along with attack helicopter
Huh?
Eric Kripke literally told variety that Hughie's SA scene was hilarious, reinforcing society's norm on male rape and y'all think he's contrarian
and for those of you who say that doesn't undermine the show's writing, IT DOES. Kripke is just like the celebrities he makes fun and that makes his entire show hypocritical
Bro you can't do the whole "either all okay or none of it's okay" "bro i just like edgy comedy if you don't like it you're just sensitive" then whine and complain about shit when you're uncomfortable with it that's now how this work
The show realized it was making satire on its self (Amazon and Hollywood) so had to start to make satire on politics instead😂
I love how he admits that the audience score on RT is *semi* reliable. Bro basically poked holes in his own arguement which he already killed by saying he went to rotten tomatoes for reviews and goes on to desecrate his agrument throughout the video. On paper, its not too bad to see the general consensus of a film/series, BUT, one would think to watch it to see if the film/series to see if its that bad or that good. The fact that he based his opinion off reviews of a season he has never seen is baffling because if he just didnt find it interesting, then fine by him. Its the fact he claims the season "Destroyed its own audience" when he hasnt seen it is just..................
So he states his talking points in the beginning of the video and uses the rest to explain his point… dude please just pay attention
Okay Wtf his """""talking Points""" except it's "overely political now" but he doesnt explain why or how he's it's overely political. That's not a talking point that just saying buzzwords and calling it a day
if I get a penny for every video of spider man debunking the worst review of the boys season 4, I'd get 2, and that is not much, but is funny that happened twice
What I find funny about him saying "nobody agrees with Homelander" is Jeremy from geeks and gamers who is someone who's usually on the same panels as him on streams once said "if they're trying to make Homelander be Trump they just made Trump really cool"
So thinking a villain is cool automatically means you agree with what they stand for? So people that think Darth Vader or Kylo Ren are “cool” means they agree with murder? Make it make sense.
@@jacobwojciechowski1097 yeah bruv
@@jacobwojciechowski1097 no its that he said if this is supposed to be Trump he makes Trump even cooler which isn't the point of Homelander and its fine to like a character of its not idolizing one like a political leader
@@bat-seal6293 your comment implies though that him saying “nobody agrees with homelander” and then calling him cool is contradictory. At least, that’s what I took it as.
The idea that season 4, unlike previous seasons, relied on shock value baffles me considering season 4 is arguably one of the tamer seasons on that front, aside from the one sequence with Tek Knight. This kind of backlash was inevitable regardless of the actual content of the show and I can almost guarantee that it will happen again with season 5 with people complaining about how much worse it is than season 4
Critical Drinker is honestly insufferable
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To not realize that the show had a dip in quality from season 2, 3 and 4 is crazy, I love the show, but it would be braindead to not acknowledge it, things are not as impactful as season 1, the stakes felt higher and almost everything felt that matter, season 3 was mostly pointless
The Critical Drinker is a one note TH-camr in my personal opinion. Whenever a new show comes out he talks about how Woke the she show is. I watched a few videos of his a while ago then realized that his videos are all the same. He needs to focus on understand how to watch a movie or show and get a better in depth analysis.
critical drinker always cooking up the worst reviews on youtube
Will Jordan: "I wasn't exactly brimming with excitement at the prospect of sacrificing another eight hours of my increasingly limited lifespan for the new season."
Also Will Jordan: Sacrifices an unknown number of hours of his increasingly limited lifespan to watch, write, record, edit, and post reviews for 'The Acolyte', making reviews for Each. Individual. Episode. (Episodes 1 & 2 are bunched together and there isn't one for episode 4, but you get my point).
It's stuff like this that's why I stay away from the culture war, but with a take that's so legitimately questionable as this one, I'll step back into the mud for a few minutes and make a comment anyway. Why is this man trying to critique and criticize a piece of art he hasn't seen? It'd be like me trying to give my take on 'Game of Thrones', a show I haven't seen, or trying to have an opinion on a carnival ride you haven't been on, you can only gather so much from external sources before you have to accept that you haven't been on the ride yourself. You can choose not to consume something because you don't think it looks good, that's fine, but then trying to critique and criticize it anyway is trying to have the best of both worlds and simultaneously making a fool of yourself in both.
Also, another note, not seeing this season and critiquing/criticizing it is already questionable enough, but basing the reception of the season off of a 'Rotten Tomatoes' audience score? Why? Online reviewing on those kinds of sites is always kinda shaky just because it's more indicative of the opinions of those who have left a review as opposed to being indicative of the opinions of those who have watched the season. It's like with the 'Elden Ring' dlc being review bombed right now, the people leaving negative reviews are not indicative of the whole of the people who have played the dlc (there are legitimate criticisms towards both 'The Boys' and 'Elden Ring', but even still it's not indicative of the whole public's reception of those projects). In addition to that, 'Rotten Tomatoes' already has a questionable reputation, combined with the fact that user scores are just as likely to be as biased or more biased than the "fvck!ng shills" that Mr. Jordan's talking about, so he's already placing a faulty double standard more strictly on the media critics and more leniant on the audience (I'm not saying the media critics are more correct in their assertions than anyone else, I'm just saying that both takes should be given a grain of salt, since we're all biased in some way or another, be that politically, financially, socially, philosophically, or otherwise).
Also why is it that "if you don't think you'll like it, don't watch it" is such a hot take? If something looks like it's getting progressively worse or looks inherrently bad from the getgo, you are entirely allowed to walk away from it and use your time on something you think to be more worthwhile. You could make the argument that it's on the creators and producers to ensure that their products stays consistently good, and that is true that if a project is bad or gets worse then people will stop watching and/or be let down by the product they're consuming (again various outcomes happening to most of the 'Arrowverse' shows in that way). But the problem with this argument is that even if the products are good in quality (subjective, I know) and largely well received (rotten tomatoes is not the place to go to determine that) and still don't seem like something you would enjoy, then that is not on them to force you to engage with the art (contrary to what Mr. Jordan's been saying), it's on you to decide whether or not you choose to keep engaging with said art.
Also, regarding his comments on "good storytelling," who gets to decide what that definitively does and does not constitute? There are objective elements within storytelling, such as a story's genre, who the main characters are, where the story takes place, etc. But this becomes an issue when the topic becomes "A happened because B" and one person says "I think this is good" and another says "I think this is bad". We all scale various elements of art in a different way, and as such we take the objective parts of the events within a story and place them under a subjective lens, and this can easily affect what is considered to be good storytelling (even something seemingly universal such as show don't tell), even more so when you haven't seen the art for yourself and are placing that lens over nothing (like is the case here). An argument could be made that Mr. Jordan's takes have more credibility to them because he's written stories of his own through his 'Ryan Drake' series, as well as his upcoming movie which has the trailer on his channel. The problem with this claim is that even in the instance that all of his projects are top tier works, like 'Saving Private Ryan' levels of quality, that doesn't change the fact that Mr. Jordan still holds these personal biases, and is just as susceptible to them as the rest of us are to our own. This is worsened when you aren't aware you hold them, and this can lead to a false idea of an 'objective' lens without considering the fact that you are still looking at something in a biased way.
In addition to this, not all of the feedback to his stories have been good, with a large number of the comments on Will's trailer turning against him like dogs, the fact that a large number of reviews for his books say they found him through his channel (not saying that's bad, just that it's questionable that a lot of them preface that before saying they liked the books), and that fact that multiple people have said that this story is one of the most boring things they've ever read, and that it looks like every spy thriller ever put into a blender and then put out into the world. I'm gonna get Ad-Hominemal once and only once, but I don't trust the judgement of "good storytelling" from a man whose book includes, and I'm not kidding here, an entire page's worth describing the history of the AK-47 as well as what it is (that isn't hyperbole and I wish it was, if you have the book 'Redemption', it's on page 389).
I've said in other comment sections that Will Jordan has one or two legitimate grains of truth (such as the corporate/business/financial side of art overreaching into the creative side of the art), but honestly, whenever I see clips and videos like these, it makes me question whether steelmanning in this way is worth it with arguments like this. I'm still gonna try steelmanning where I can with stuff like this, just because I never want to be seen as some braindead strawmanning/ad-homineming twitter bot who's only parroting arguments like chatgpt, but even with the steelmanning taking down arguments like this is easier than drawing a triangle.
I've said it multiple times before and I'll say it again multiple times hereafter if I choose to, I think the culture war is the biggest waste of time a person could engage in, especially since so much of it lives online and focuses more about complaining that things suck as opposed to doing anything to actively change what currently sucks (assuming the things they're talking about are things that legitimately suck). My advice to anyone who may read this, step away from the outrage, ignore the adult-children (red or blue) and just try to be better than this, because all you get from this conflict is nothing but brain rot, as showcased here. I wish you all the best in your personal lives!
Season four was kinda mid but it doesn't mean it was bad, the bat was just set high from previous seasons
Season 4 was dogshit, he was right not to watch it.
I’m sorry but when you say that you won’t watch the boys and say it’s bad but you would watch the acolyte instead is a wild way to live
I swear, the Critical Drinker is a hack who couldn’t properly criticize season 4 for anything even if he tried. If he wanted to seriously criticize season 4 for something, then he should have watched it and pointed out how dumb it is that Homelander decided to try and blindly shoot his lasers at the long stretch of vent Hughie was crawling through, instead of just flying up to the long section of vent, like he did with the previous section of vent Hughie was crawling through, or how he did in the following scene when he flew up to catwalk, and lasering Hughie’s ass. He obviously knows Hughie is in that part of vent, because he’s shooting at him, so why not just fly up and laser him? Then, Hughie made it to a catwalk, so Homelander decided to fly up to the catwalk, and slowly walk towards the Hughie, instead of just blitzing towards it with Diabolical speed. Hughie should have been dead, like how The Boys team should have been dead in season 2’s sewer scene.
Honestly I think it’s just part of homelander not actually being that smart, like he constantly makes every situation so much harder for himself by doing things in the messiest and least efficient way he can because for lack of a better term he simply believes he’s that guy
@@Virgil191the thing is, is that Homelander is smart, or at least he was in season 1. Yes, he did accidentally laser the plane controls, despite it being established that he can precisely control his lasers enough, as to not blast right through someone in the previous scene, but that is just the writers being dumb. He has made pretty smart moves, like how he pivoted after he decided not to save the flight 37 passengers, because of reason unknown. Or how he gave the military a good reason to let Supes into the military, by creating supervillains. Despite what Stan Edgar said. And let’s be honest, if Stan wanted to sell Compound-V, and not superheros, since they are a pharmaceutical company, then he would have always needed to tell the military about compound-V. There is also the inconsistency with Homelander blasting through the super villain and hitting a civilian, despite it being established that he can control his laser vision, as to not cause collateral. Besides, Homelander “being dumb,” as the justification for him not killing Hughie, falls apart when you realize he is more than fine with doing everything that would allow him to kill Hughie in the same scene. He’s fine with flying through the vents, but all of a sudden isn’t, he’s fine with flying up onto the catwalk, but wasn’t fine with using his flight to kill Hughie while he was in the vents in the previous scene, the writers can’t keep anything consistent, and blatantly contradict themselves ever second. Honestly, the only valid justification that you could potentially use to defend this shit, is that Homelander is just having fun, and truly doesn’t care. He secretly didn’t care about Maeve releasing the flight 37 footage in season 2’s finale, and just went along with it because it made his game a bit more interesting. He intentionally lasered through the super villain, to cause as much drama for his game as possible, because it doesn’t matter if he burns the world down. That’s really the only logical explanation for his inconsistent behavior.
@speeddemon5339 wouldn't call it inconsistent he couldn't see Hughie because the vent was made of zinc, he couldn't properly hear or see because MM turned up the lights or music, he didn't fly up because he didn't want to cause an incident. It's made very clear that homelander thinks to highly of himself and doesn't think through his actions, he wasn't some mega genius in the first season he was still heavily protected by vought not really striking out this whole season is showing that he can't handle thing as well as he thought he could.
@@mrflamram9966 "He doesn't want to cause an incident" right, that's why he blasted lasers at the vent and caused...an incident? Maybe you mean he didn't want to catch Hughie because he read the script and realized Hughie was supposed to get away?
I can’t be the only one who thought this was more of a review for The Boys S3 than S4. Like, bruh, if bro wanted to review S3 then he should f**king do that, anything’s better than basing his entire review on BS Audience Scores and the same kind of rhetoric he dogwhistles in his videos
Also, ignoring the fact that audience scores for tv shows on RT aren’t verified like they are for the movies, I wonder why Drinker doesn’t keep this energy for, oh I donno… Black Widow? The Marvels? Thor 4? Barbie? Sure sounds like he is one of those guys who only praise RT when it’s a score he agrees with and criticizes them when he disagrees with them, doesn’t it?
i like how critical karen here goes to RT to validate his triggered opinion but doesnt use IMDB which has an average episode score for season 4 of 8.0 between 7 episodes. no no no, that goes his methodology of blatant confirmation bias. lol
Drinker didn't even watch any of the season 4 episodes which says alot about his "review"
I do think the satire is less coherent and less effective now since there is no longer a distinction betweem Vought and the Seven/Homelander. Homelander represents reactionary conservatism/fascism, and Vought is used to satirise faux woke corportism, but Homelander now runs Vought... yet still Vought is celebrating pride month and inclusivity & diversity? This doesn't make a lot of sense. Seems like the writers just dumped everything they dislike onto the Seven/Vought to make a point and make some jokes, but this doesn't work with where the narrative has gone. It worked when Homelander was separate from Vought, but not now he runs the company. The Seven is now poltiically incoherent, making diversity hires whilst run by a fascist.
Also episodes 2,3 & 5 have been pretty boring. I think I've grown tired of the characters, tbh. There's nowhere else for them to go, nothing new for us to learn. Butcher isn't as novel or unique. It's the same facial expressions, the same cadence, etc. Sometimes shows just run out of ideas. When Homelander isn't on screen doing evil shit, it feels pretty dry.
My favorite part of his video is how he is talking crap about season 4 when he didn’t even watch it
Commenting this before I watch the video, but
Is somebody mad the superhero parody show is more clear that it disagrees with his politics now?
Edit: holy shit, he didn’t even watch the thing he’s reviewing?
Wouldn't even call his video a review, just rage bait. The season isnt out fully, and he won't even watch it.
He just lost the right to trash other critics.
I'll copy my comment from another video debunking the Drinker video, "The entire point of the show is to use a symbol of hyper-capitalism (superheroes in the modern age) to show us the escalation and eventual downfall of hyper-capitalism and consumerism. Its a warning for us nowadays that is saying 'hey, this is one step further than we are right now, do you want it to get this bad?' I'd argue that reaching this point was inevitable, and that the show is saying the exact same things as before, but with the natural escalation that both narrative fiction AND real life have, it is more overt as the characters in that world become more comfortable being overt with it.
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By the way, love the video man!
Tell me you don’t know what capitalism is without telling me…
I genuinely think the Drinker is pretty horrendous and basic in terms of actually criticizing a show. But also agree with the comments that the show, while not completely always in tatters, has been really flawed from the get go. I liked both season 1, 2 and 3 upon initial viewing but when actually rewatching them you can see some really dumb shit. Especially Season 2 where you have things like Annie randomly killing a guy and it never being brought up, while Butcher just fucking smiles at it. Or Noir & Edgar starting an alternate universe where, weirdly enough Butcher and co lived despite it being a canon event that it worked. Because a random picture of some blonde kid being labelled as "Homelander's son" is not really going to cut it as ball gripping blackmail. And not to forget Maeve receiving a jetpack/teleportation for the final fight.
But needless to say, the show has had alot of flaws in terms of it's actual events writing-wise. And it's kind of awkward how Drinker can't really pull on any of that besides some generalization.
Bro didn't review the season. He explained why he wasn't watch it. But hey, gotta get your views I guess.
What really funny is that the show ratings have skyrocketed since this video it’s a 92% on rotten tomatoes right now and 8.7 on IMDb 😂😂😂😂 that drinker guy was so wrong 😂😂😂😂
To me that's more for the last 3 episodes were way better than the first 3, I can't put my finger on it but they've been like a 9/10 compared to the first 3 being 6-7/10.
@@GreyMagee74 that could be or folks just now tuning in from waiting for the season to drop what ever reason you want to give it the show rating have skyrocketed since This video drop
The gay relationship with Frenchie is poorly written, but not for the same reason as many say. It’s bad because it comes out of literally nowhere, and the show doesn’t really set Colin up as someone I’d care about, we know nothing about him or why Frenchie likes him, and it only feels like the show added it because they couldn’t think of anything for Frenchie to do
Almost all other character conflicts have natural buildup over time, which leads to some powerful, intense, and even emotional moments; whereas Frenchie and Colin’s relationship just feels like a desperate attempt at giving Frenchie a conflict
I mean there definitely has been a build up of frenchie feeling worse and worse about the things he did for Nina. We get to see a victim of his actions is someone he actually loves. While Colin as a character isn’t shown much it’s still something that’s been built up
@@idcblue1527 Colin was not built up, and Frenchie’s story wasn’t even really build up it’s just repeating itself from previous seasons
@@ffgoose6363 never said Colin himself had build up I said frenchies consequences was built up over the seasons and the more we learned about his past.
We’ve never seen Frenchies past actions affect someone close to him. That’s literally not in a single season so idk what you’re talking about
@@idcblue1527 the more specific idea that it happens to someone he got close to is newer but the simple idea of him being haunted by his previous actions has been done
I’m gonna call it right now, EFAP will have a debate on disagreement day sooner or later.
He definitely drunk during his time watching the show, because he doesn't remember a single thing.
He didn’t even watch it, he made a “review” based on rotten tomatoes reviews, the guy is just a grifter.
Every time I see someone call out The Drinker on his BS and show just how empty and full of it his "critiques" are it warms my heart. I commend you for doing so.
i like drinker but i don’t know what he was smoking with this
Why?
All his recent reviews (past few years) are just like this one, he keeps repeating the same vague statements and saying everything is woke, he used to at least be kinda funny.
@@juancarlosalonso5664 Since 2022 2021 pretty much same exact talking points 😂😂
I usually don’t mind his vids but man that video is a bad take
All his vids are trash
Whats the point of criticizing content you wont consume. Even if youre right about it, it seems pointless because you werent right due to your own choices and decisions. You happen to be right because you took a wild guess. Its basically gambling.
Im all for talking shit about bad shows, but you gotta at least talk shit from personal experience not from "my friend said it was bad so its bad"
I've been watching season 4. It's on par with the rest. I do feel like there's something missing but I can't put my finger on it. Overall I'm enjoying it. It is intended to make you uncomfortable. If you're too uncomfortable, you don't have to watch
Oh, you're the guy who gets mad when people say that the Insomniac Spider Man games used Arkham's combat
yeah. Arkham games invented the square button being the punch animation
@frogglen6350 Insomniac Games has litteraly credited Arkham as being the inspiration for their combat you insecure fanboy.
“I didn’t understand what drinker said and if you call me out you’re being condescending”
Absolutely agreed with you! I don’t see the hate with season 4 honestly.
It’s goy slop for retards like your self
Critical Drinking Problem strikes again!
"It's woooooke!" He bleats, whilst shakily reaching for his ninth gulp of funky sauce.
"If you leave that kind of comment then you are a condescending dipshit."
Literally just got done calling anyone who likes Drinker's content an idiot.
I used to watch Drinker and I definitely was acting like an idiot back then; complained about woke etc.
You clearly have not watched the Critical Drinker enough and are just eating up the left wing narrative of him. He doesn’t criticize solely based on politics or wokeness, he actually makes genuine criticism of the quality and writing of a film/show. He’s also even made it clear that he refrains from using the word woke.
And before you argue that I’m not giving “examples” or “evidence” of this, actually watch his videos if you want that.
He literally didn’t watch the season, that’s why his opinion and “critique” was so shit, it all amounts to nothing because he didn’t watch it
@ He made it very clear in his video that he didn’t watch the season because he felt like the series was getting progressively worse and that this season would’ve been more of the same. I don’t disagree that he should’ve watched the season before discussing it, but it’s clear that his video wasn’t meant to be a review but rather discussing the controversy surrounding the season.
I don’t think bro was reviewing the show, he was just talking about the backlash, which maybe some of his fans will run with in a certain way, but I don’t think it’s fair to blame him for that. He’s just some dude, I take it with a grain of salt.
He literally made claims about the show despite not having seen it. That is most of the video, him doing that.
So, here the downfall of the Critical Drinker begins, his pandering to the crowd (and lacking interest, otherwise he would have at least watched 1 episode, just to make the video) becoming not just obvious, but transparent.
I am actually waiting for an apology video, given even in his comment section there are people who are not satisfied.