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Honestly that scene where Ashley overhears that she was put on "the list" and straight up pumps herself with V to escape was tense and no one talks about it.
@@splinter360??? This was a way better choice from a writing perspective. If she leaves with A-Train, she’s basically gone from the show forever. Plus, it wouldn’t make sense for her character. She is DOMINATED by homelander, and the thought of running from him and living her entire life in fear of him isn’t a position she wants to put herself in, especially considering her ticket out (A-Train) wouldn’t be able to run her away from Homelander forever. This development is way cooler, and just like every other plot thread in this season, they were setting up for the layup that season 5 will be. Great writing choice.
@@noaamdam159I haven’t seen the comics but people theorized that he was dying this season bc of all the screen time he was getting and him rebelling against Vought
I really agree with Charlie on Starlights angry reaction to Hughie being violated like that completely took me by surprise and Hughie not even expressing how violated and awful he feels.
I feel like she wasnt just mad about hughie fucking fake anny or proposing to her... She is clearly having an identity crisis and depression because of her past ... She was just mad because hughie proposed to the sexual happy super caring not depressed nor fucked up anny and not the real fucked up anny ... Tho that gets sorted out so i guess it is not that big of a deal.
Homelander is, as always, a scene stealer every time he's on screen. I really hope Antony Starr is recognized with some awards. His acting has been amazing on this show.
I wouldn’t be able to tell my family apart from shapeshifters with those powers. I will say, they were fully aware that a shapeshifter was on the loose and something they should look out for. If they were smart, all of the boys should have been cautious and skeptical of each other. But that’s just me. In the real world people probably wouldn’t think of that
she did not act like her at all. her personality did not match annie’s. hughie should have known after 10 days knowing theres a fucking shapeshifter running around. no excuses for him
@@MAX-de8feno they don’t lol. hughie wasn’t actually assaulted in that scene by ashley. he actually assaulted her, because she was consenting to acts with webweaver not hughie. tek knight 100% knows its not webweaver tho and thats where the SA comes in. the only part of that scene that is remotely comical is ashley’s part because she’s kinky and doing nothing wrong. the scenes where tek knight is about to hurt and SA hughie have absolutely no comedy in them and are treated with the sincerely they deserve.
This season was absolutely brutal to Hughie who, can we all remember please, is supposed to be the main character? He has to kill his father, he’s sexually assaulted and it’s played for laughs, he gets like 5 minutes to grieve before he’s assaulted again in the next episode in a totally different way. Butcher shits on his plans after he accepted butcher was going to die I mean it just doesn’t end
I’d say Butcher and Homelander are the real main characters since their feud is the plot of the show. Hughie’s tragedy is just the starting point for the show.
Don’t forget Starlight pulling an Invincible Season 1 after said second SA 💀 I did genuinely like this season, but it definitely has weak moments, even if the ideas of said moments make sense and are good. Just some weird execution or flatness.
It's pathetically cliched writing. It retroactively turns her muteness into a cheap writing gimmick played for "muh chills". Picture the writer's room. "So she's mute, right? But what if something happens that is so devastating and shocking that she finally speaks!" "Hasn't she experienced a ton of trauma up to this point already?" "Yeah, but this will be a season finale!"
Regarding Frenchy’s relationship with Colin: I think it was terrible not because it was gay, not because it felt random, but because it went nowhere and ultimately led to nothing. Also yes the finale was very boss
Not necessarily nothing, it leads to him turning himself in and the discussion with Kimiko that makes them realize they're both broken people who have done horrible things and struggle to live with themselves because of it, which is why they're great for each other. But yeah, it kind of sucked
They used Colin to develop frenchie and kimikos relationship and the theme of accepting yourself despite your past. Colin was never meant to be more important than that so I guess the issue is he was a waste of a character
It led to him dealing with his past and ultimately Kimiko doing so too. It felt like it would lead to nothing at first but now that the whole season's out that's just not accurate anymore.
That was literally my only issue with it. Being accused of being a homophobe as a lesbian myself by some people, because I thought the Frenchie/Colin relationship was poorly written, was really disheartening. Had it been written well, I would’ve been totally fine with it.
That's exactly how I've felt ever since I watched the first episode, then you have people saying this season it's too slow, nothing happens... Like, why so many people can't watch something without it being super fast-paced, action all the time? Calm tf down, it's obvious it's a set up
@@Blackfatratit wasn’t mainly a set up it was a huge slow burn and goddamn it paid off. Some of the episodes weren’t really interesting and filler focused but the majority had a lot of stuff going on that contributed to the slow burn
Ngl bro A-train seemed like the character that got the most development, respect and kept the audience interested through this whole season, every other season he was just meh I have to edit this part cause ppl are getting sensitive about the “meh” part😂: I like A-train and how his character is portrayed, when I say meh I mean they didn’t give ‘em enough screen time or respect in the series and was made to be bullied by ppl like homelander and stormfront, which the edgelords and racists don’t mind.
How poetic would it be if Soldier Boy and Ryan teamed up to kill Homelander. His family, the one thing he desperately wanted, leads to his demise. The irony would be comical
MM every single time a character walks in: “where the fuck you been / wtf you doing here?” MM every single time a character walks out: “where the fuck you going?”
I just hate how the writers treated Hughie this season. When Starlight was sexually assaulted by the deep it was taken seriously, when Hughie was assaulted by tek-knight and the shapeshifter it’s not only treated as a joke but like it’s Hughies fault. Wtf
Think outside the bun bro it's mocking our society, the entire show is and suddenly hughie getting sexually assaulted and having it laughed off is different? No, it's making fun of soci ty because that's what WE DO
Is it sexual assault when you engage in it to keep your cover? Ashley 100% didn't even know and Tek probably didn't know right away, even though he wouldn't care anyways. I guess it doesn't matter because he was about to get assaulted for sure after.
@@crowntotheundergroudSexual assault is sexual assault. And when one is taken seriously while the other is played for laughs it shows some real colors behind the people making the show. And gate keeping the severity is just fucked up lol
Erin Moriarty needs to be cast more as villains, her performance as the shape changer was one of the best in the show to date. I only wish she had more screen time.
I’m gonna be completely honest here. I think one of the reasons why she did very well as a villain was also because her facial features are now “atypical”, which combines well with acting villainous roles 😅
HOW she is able to make those plans?? What logic is behind that?? And why EVERYTHING goes the way she like without any variation or mistake of the people she manipulate?? Is almost like the people around her are NOT ACTUAL HUMANS and nothing can go wrong in any part of her plan... And when you make a more complex, sofisticate, and larger plan: MORE THINGS TEND TO GO WRONG, because people don’t always will follow the plan for whatever reason... No matter how smart and accurate was that plan. Anyone can just say “everything is according to my plan”, and just give a simple and mediocre explanation of why is “intelligent” to think that way, then just attribute things that don’t have sense or relation between them and say “it was the only option, so I discovered”. 1. She attributes reasons to things that don’t have correlation between them... 2. Doesn’t explain or give hints of any part of her plan, so no one can see the “logic” behind that... 3. Make assumptions of persons and events that she Actually DOESN’T KNOW OR EVEN MEET... 4. She makes a common error that many “smart” villains do: Her plans are WAY too large, and “complex”, that they forget that having many variables doesn’t usually means the plan will go their way, PERFECTLY. It’s just no sense... 5. You never see a PLAN B, a glimpse of Improvisation, a “Escape Exit Door” of any situation, or any Actual realistic way or idea of why she is a Genius OUTSIDE her little fictional world.
@@alfonsomendez9787 Yeah, but we should not think of her intelligence in terms of human intelligence, but more in terms of artificial intelligence. She is not naturally gifted, she is turned into a hybrid. AI has the ability to collect millions of information in seconds and put them together and draw predictions in a way that is impossible to a human. Remember how she scanned Homelander first time she saw him, concluded about his prostate based ob his hand skin being thinner because of more washing. Thats not human information processing, that is machine processing. You know how social media can offer you an ad for something you just think about in your head? I read those predictions are made based on, not information on you available on those platforms, or your behavior, likes and dislikes, but on the analysis of your emotions and impulses that are behind those behaviors of yours. And the more activity of yours ai collects, the better it knows you. And beware, you yourself dont completely understand most of your impulses, so it knows you better than you know yourself, and so it is able predict your next moves. Sage isnt humanly smart, her ability to connect the cause and effect is out of the reach of human brain.
@alfonsomendez9787 Jeez chill. Have you ever thought that maybe Sage is just a very manipulative person, and will claim that things are going her way just so that she can keep her status as a smart person and ally with Homelander? Maybe think a bit deeper rather then give shallow complaints.
What I really loved is how Stan Edgar’s prediction was proven. When he was kicked out, he told Homelander that he had no one else to stand up to him. That the world would find out the monster he truly is and he’d lose control of Vought. And Homelander did. He lost control and people saw him for the monster he is. So Homelander eventually hires someone very similar to Stan to help him. Someone who stands up to him and is smarter. That person was Sage.
I mean the population doesn't see him as a monster and sage is different from stan cuz she speaks way more to homelaner but Stan rarely reveals his plans but sage is great character
Part of world sees him as a monster, the Starlighters (where ever the fuck they went) and also get that Sage is doing this for a much different reason. I’m just saying why Homelander hired her
I kinda disagree on sister sage. I feel she is a highly intelligent character written by unintelligent people because their view on “intelligence” is just magically knowing things. It’s not even like she has any framework to guess the stuff she “knows”, it feels more like she comically takes credit for knowing things she had no context to predict or have knowledge of. It’s like a player who metagames in d&d and then says “I have high intelligence so therefore I could have figured it out”
Finally I find someone else saying this ! Honestly, with how she was written I believe that mind-reading would've been a more appropriate power. Just having a bunch of books in her apartment, but seemingly never referencing or directly applying any of it, isn't a showcase of her intelligence
What you just described is the biggest flaw of the entire show. The script says she’s intelligent but she never once acted intelligent. On the contrary, she acts like someone with a bellow average IQ. The show tells us she’s intelligent but it never shows us, all it shows us is that she magically knows things without any intelligence or thought that led to her knowing anything.
Season 5 is gonna go hard. Butcher's anger is fully unleashed and he's gonna wanna kill everyone, including Ryan for getting in his way. He's gonna make homelander happy for finally falling to his level.
This season almost felt like a place holder till the final episode. We did get a lot of backstory to show the darker elements of the heroes in this series. The line that best describes this season is when the shape shifter said “Everyone is the hero in their own story.” I still enjoyed it, but the season just kept spinning its wheels.
@@Mr.Coffee576Right? Honestly, Annie’s whole storyline of her being a “bad guy” doesn’t work cause.. all she really did was be a bully as a kid.. and she aborted a baby.. Idk it doesn’t make much sense to me.
@@WhereMyHugI actually disagree, cause I feel like people like her deny all the bad shit they did, and when you accept you have weird “oh well I guess I’m just and asshole then” and it take to reach the “oh I’m not an angel, but I’m not a demon, I’m just human we all sin.” I do wish they did have a bit more of an interaction and understanding, but realistically humans are more petty/ miscommunication a lot of things all the time. So it’s very realistic when I comes to the psychology of the characters. Which makes it so compelling. Tho the fan in me was also like…if they had more scenes that would be dope. I get why they didn’t…but :P
@@WheneverythingsGonebut the problem is that all the "bad shit she did" was just some offscreen backstory bullying that doesn't even manifest itself in her current personality. It makes it feel like the writers just pulled it out of their ass and makes it lose its impact. At least Frenchie's conflict made sense because we literally meet him as a criminal, and he's still pretty murdery today, just for the good side. So him having a backstory of having killed innocent people totally makes sense, while Annie's doesn't.
@@shadowgame0630 I do think they change her personality a lot for the sake of the plot, and some stuff even I was like “Yo…give her some humility.” But all and all, it didn’t bother me too, to much. Her shitting on Huie (or however you spell his name) for the S.A. Made me really like “ick.” But I still tried to look past it. I do get what you’re saying though. I personally wouldn’t say, they pulled it out of their ass but, I thought they would play into the bullying arch more. It felt to me, very rushed and not fully fleshed out, so at times it was like “uhhh why you making her like that.”
I would love to hear Charley talk about it without worrying about spoilers by just saying his moist meter score at the beginning and telling people to watch it first if they are worried about spoilers
Honestly, here's an idea i would love to happen in the last season. Instead of homelander being killed, perhaps the boys instead could depower homelander and turn him into what he hates the most, being human.
@@N0neImportant Would he even get the same powers? Also they would probably make sure he doesn't I mean its not like he would exactly be a threat without powers.
Butcher's super cancer was a Chekhov's gun. We all knew it was gonna be fired since it was introduced as a plot point. That's the main reason we never felt like he was actually gonna die.
@@Halfcertified He injected himself with Perma V shortly after his diagnosis in season 03 as a last ditch effort to cure his illness. That Perma V got absorbed by the black mass in his brain and created this Hentai monster that you just saw
@@Greenhawk4 I dont think thats the correct view. It is going to kill him, however fighting against it makes him worse, while when he cooperates with cancer it doesnt actively hurting him.
I really appreciate Charlie pointing out the hughie was sexually assaulted man and that the writers tried to play it into a joke. And also starlight victim blaming hughie. Edit: I know both of them were victims about the situation,but it still came off insensitive for starlight to immediately blame hughie on what happened to him he didn't know or couldn't control not mentioning the fact the the shape shifter had her memories. I don't mean to write too much but another thing the writers are really trying to downplay male SA and it's weird especially forgetting that firecracker is a whole PDF but it isn't taken seriously.
Didn't she immediately after that say something that let him know he isn't actually being blamed? Like let him know she is just mad but he's not the issue. I'm struggling to remember what it was. brb lol, yeah nope never happened. It was just her expression of guilt that I was seeing. Like she knew she was fucking up, blaming herself.
“Sorry I was tricked into being assaulted by someone who looks like you, sounds like you, acts like you, and has your memories. I’ll never do that again!” Hughie got assaulted three episodes in a row. Wtf.
the last 2 episodes was pure The boys moment. It kinda feels like first few episodes was during the writer strike then the last 2 was when the old writers returned.
@@elibonham4388 I feel like someone at Amazon told the shower runner to wrap this shit up 😂 that’s why we’re only getting 5 seasons when I’m pretty sure the writer wanted to do 7 seasons
Highie getting sexually assaulted 3 episodes in a row and played for laughs is just downright not fun to watch. All he endured this season was traumatic event after traumatic event and its written as if it’s his fault. I really hope they treat him better next season because he feels like the heart and goodness of the show
I kinda think it’s going to lead him from being butchers minion, Hughie gets kinda dark near the end in the comics so as much as it sucks that he’s just a joke I feel like the bad shit he does will feel very justified, I mean he just let his best friend get ripped in half after trying to save her, not saying he was happy but he stood by butcher
It felt so weird. Like remove all characters and labels, a character has a relationship with another character he DEEPLY deeply hurt in the past, say murdering their entire family, and then he meets them later and falls for them. They are intimate once and the guilt is literally eating him alive “oh well guess I’ll do it 3 more times” 🙄 if being around someone makes you feel THAT bad you’re gonna avoid them and not fall back into bed with them.
@@mp6640 Not really. None of the boys had a clue about Sage's plan and they were in a lose-lose situation either way without Butcher. Supe Butcher is their best shot at taking down Homelander since Solder Boy.
The problem with characters like Sage who are “the smartest person in the world” is that cliche scene that is inevitable. The one where they seem to get out maneuvered and then, oh, twist, it was, “Apart of their plan all along.” That is predictable af
The biggest problem with having “the smartest person in the world” is they the character can only ever be as intelligent as the writer. Almost everytime the “smartest” character will make really dumb choices because of plot.
i didnt expect it at all, and neither was the fandom, i was seeing conversations everywhere about how dumb everything sage was doing and how it was so obviously leading to her failure. im pretty sure that the writers introduced her to the show knowing exactly how to take her out, you have to do it that way when you write characters so powerful
@@PakiBlindersit's not a rumor. Anthony Starr and Chace Crawford revealed in a Q&A that he does indeed have narcolepsy IRL and they decided to add it to the script
Well, it was wrong of her to blame him. She got over it pretty quickly, so I feel like she was just angry and needed space for a minute to calm down, then realized she was wrong.
I feel like it would be reasonable for her to be emotional about it, it would still feel like a betrayal no matter how illogical it is because human emotions aren’t always logical.
7:39 a big part of starlights caharcter is what she notices. she is very observant. she noticed mm's ocd when no one else had, she noticed frenchie's mental state at the farm, etc. however, she had stopped noticing things when it comes to hughie this season and I find it very interesting.
probably because she was held prisoner for days. this season tried to have her go through some major self reflection after she was outed for her abortion, and her self deprecation from that is what i assume made her blow up on hughie for being raped, as fucked up as that is. it’s less that she was upset about getting cheated on and more that she feels like she isn’t good enough for him in my opinion. that would’ve been understandable to me if they hadn’t concluded her and hughie’s rough patch with her forgiving him(???), as if he was ever in the wrong for having sex with who he thought was his girlfriend.
I mean tbf when is a character with unlimited healing factor not used as a punching bag lmao. Deadpool, Wolverine etc the whole gag is wow look how much fucked up shit we can do to this person but don’t worry they’re gonna be fine in five minutes. It’s fun at times but really not all that original anymore imo
@@BenSolo4 Which is very. Healing factor is not the same as being imune to pain, just because someone can heal from anything doesn't mean they can't feel pain. Deadpool cutting off parts of his body like it's nothing never sat right with me, just like Kimiko shrugging off being shot. She's still getting burning pieces of metal perfurating her body ffs
@@pocoloco753 tbf suspension of disbelief does need to play a part lol. The show is about superheroes afterall. They're not gonna spend every other scene with kimiko screaming in agony cuz its just not necessary. Way easier to just pretend like 'she doesn't feel the pain as much cuz shes a supe'.
You are all ignoring that Kimiko was specifically trained to not physically react to pain. She is a trained warrior. Shining Light put her through a lot, and there is a whole portion dedicated to showing why she doesn't scream in pain.
I loved that the "smartest person in the world" wasn't just a tech genius that can build gadgets and "hack" computers, but instead, she used her intelligence to manipulate people and events. Really cool and fresh take on what is usually just a tired cliche.
Gadgets and hacking is nice, but real power is collaborative. Weapons are meant to deter and destroy. Propaganda is a swiss army knife. You can inspire and lead friends AND weaken the enemy with this.
i really liked that, to a certain point, a point that sage went ahead, because more than malipulative and a genius, she seems to know the future, like weeks ahead, thats not cool for me
I still think they did a poor job of explaining how her powers actually work. It felt like a cop out and poor writing to just go “it was all part of my plan”. Okay? How though? How does her brain actually work. Is she clairvoyant? Does she have a photographic memory where she remembers everything she’s ever read?
@@CesarTorres-zk3ek Exactly. Everything is according to keikakku with her, I knew she was going to show back up at the end and go, "This is just how I planned it!" And she did.
One flaw in this season I feel like is they prioritize shock value too much. Obviously this season has never been afraid to show gratuitous violence and sexual content, but this season I almost feel like they prioritized it over the plot. Like with Tek Knights party, some of the way characters were killed, it felt needless sometimes.
I agree. For a good majority of this season, it felt like the writers came up with scenarios (the duplicating naked man fight, Ice Skating Rink scene, flying sheep, BDSM Batman, Annie Shapeshifter) and wrote around them to force them into the show rather than letting the plot dictate what scenarios the characters would end up in.
I felt the same way for season 4. Sex and violence was edgy and fun before, but suddenly it's like the main plot! It felt like a constant assault of gore and dicks. Thankfully, the final 10 minutes of the season brought me back or I may have been done with this show.
Season 4 of The Boys to me was like side quest from a video game that the developer forced you to complete in order to progess to the main story even though those side quest have very little impact to the main story
I think Starlight was just angry and having a temper tantrum because she was starved and held captive for over a week, and took it out on Hughie. She is still way in the wrong.
@@dizzlegrizzle1919How is Solider Boy being back plot armor? He’s nearly indestructible and we know that he was put to sleep by the end of last season.
Lately I feel like 'avoiding spoilers' has limited reviews and retrospections for commentators. Idk why would spoilers matter when somebody's choosing a video? (Not shaming Charlie, just a recent trend I've noticed and wondered)
I’m really glad you brought up the hughie stuff. That genuinely pissed me off… often times in media whenever a man is sexually assaulted it’s either played for laughs or it’s his fault… it’s just really bothers me man… not a great precedent to set.
i can't belive Hughie dad actor, Simon Pegg, was the original Hughie in the Boys comics, like they draw hughie based on Pegg appearance, such a nice thing to have him in the show as his dad
I’m sure Garth Ennis, the creator of the comics, was banking on Simon Pegg to play Hughie in the originally planned trilogy of movies. I’m glad they waited for the right climate for the show and cast him as Hughie Sr.
The scene where Starlight rages at Huey for banging the Starlight copy, who by the way has all her memories and emotions, pissed me off so much. She gaslights him into thinking he did something wrong as if it was his fault. Not only that, but the writers make Huey, who was the victim, accept that and make him apologize. Honestly it says a ton about the writers’ views and toxic beliefs more than anything.
Yea I found this to be the most annoying thing I found about the episode. When starlight got SA’d it was taken seriously as it should be but Hughies is just meant to be funny for some reason
While I agree about the Hughie SA, Annie was kidnapped, had her identity stolen and locked in a room for 10 days. Of course she acted the way she did and she got back to her old self by the end of the episode. Doesn’t make either of them right or wrong, just a shitty situation for both.
I am literally so glad you wrote this because I was so frustrated about this exact same thing I ended up googling because I was so confused about what happened and why he just accepted her gaslighting, but I couldn’t find anything on Reddit so I was literally just scared that maybe I just had an unusual opinion on the subject, but definitely not.. It truly gave me some closure reading this.😂😂😂😂
Hughie getting away from Homelander in the vent was just ridiculous. Homelander could see him clear as day and there is no way in hell he would miss his laser
@@chrisziegler9646we also know that homelander has super hearing so he definitely heard where hughie was shuffling in the vents. Yet he still missed. Plot armor at its finest.
@@XxxDarkContinentxxXthere was a massive show going on with people singing and music. That was probably making it hard to hear his heartbeat or the noise he was making crawling through the vents.
Idk I feel like what hughie said at the end “in order to beat monsters we have to start being human” is the standpoint for this whole season, to build up to the finale where butcher crushes any idea of that infront of him even after bringing up Lenny to try and persuade him to work w numan, This whole season had so much bargaining and truces/deals. that builds up a good final season
He's gonna eradicate all supes. Why tf would he leave her alive while she values her own and especially her daughters life. She would kill him in a instant
@@Alex-sr7xu Everything went to shit when he killed Victoria, it made no sense to and it got everyone kidnapped or captured/injured. He screwed the team
Jesse T. Usher should win an Emmy for his season 4 Facial Expressions alone, even when you put the rest of his acting and the character's story arc aside. It's been a real treat watching him grow as an actor over the course of this show, because he's really fantastic.
@@ConnerFondoi feel like he was necessary from a plot perspective. i feel like the main focus for both frenchie and kimiko was to explore their wrongdoings despite being seen as the ‘good guys’. adding collin as a part of frenchie’s arc was really used as a way to remind us that he is not a black or white character but is morally grey. I also viewed it as his past confronting him physically through the character collin and i found that to be really interesting. it really made u see how his former profession as a hitman has *seriously* affected his interpersonal relationships and how he views himself as a person. all in all, colin was well done from my pov as it allowed me to see frenchie with more nuance and witness how devastating his former profession really was to him and others.
@@chipotlesnumber1stan Thats fair. But in season 3 Frenchie and Kimiko were basically in a relationship and then right into season 4 they are platonic friends all of a sudden and now Frenchie is dating someone that we never even knew existed. The idea was good, but they executed it too late and it kind of just came off as an awkward “give a character something to do” plot point
I literally made the same point as you. why did they kiss and have a musical number together dancing around in previous seasons (in kimiko's hallucination) if she never liked him and he never liked her more than a friend? everyone was just coping because of bad shoehorned writing to drag out their romance when it was basically solidified by the end of season 3
I liked Sage a lot, but her whole story was too Sherlockian for my taste. I really dislike the whole “everything went exactly as I expected because I’m so smart and I can account for every piece of free will and random cosmic event harharhar!”
I agree with Charlie about the sexual content. One thing I didn't like about Gen V was that there was sex scenes and sex talk all the time, every five minutes every episode.
**Spoiler** The reason his actions seems out of character, is because he isn't the same person. There is no more Butcher, the entire season was him dying inside his head and his body being controlled by the tumor. His eschizofrenia wife was the last bits of his own brain, but over time she would appear less and less, until she was gone, because he is gone. He is just a body controlled by the tumor.
It makes me sad, realizing that the last time you ever see him imagine his wife is when he's torturing the virus-maker and realizes both her and Wessler are just in his brain, like an angel and devil on your shoulder. After that, his brain is too late into the tumor stage and it is solely Wessler. But, it makes for a much much more interesting season 5 imo. Edit: after him not killing kimiko or starlight or even the secret service agent, I think butcher is still there, he’s just fully embraced the dark side after seeing what happened to grace. I think butcher is still there, just fully embodied to kill all “bad” supes now.
His stepson he put hope into killing a close friend of him was the cause for this. Even before his disease he would tend to overreact and being unforgiving to others. his hallucinations surely make that worse but I don't think he is completely gone
This season would honestly be anothet 5-10% higher if it didnt include any of the Hughie sexual assault scenes, or at least handled them way better, but according to Erik Cripke, these scenes were meant for laughs, which is really fucked up.
i thought it was handled decently well in universe, if you ignore the showrunner comments and just watched the show it wouldnt be as much of a problem. Kripke needs to stfu
Joe Kessler: “Billy, your team’s a joke. I mean you think I haven’t noticed? MM’s on the verge of a breakdown, Frenchie is a f*cking junkie, Huey is a gaping wet p*ssy, and the two supes on your side man for whatever reason you have a blind spot for them.” Frankly, Kessler showed restraint in his assessment because Starlight has also been insufferable this entire season. Kimiko and Butcher are still tolerable even with the “out of character” writing they’ve been subjected to at times for the sake of moving the plot forward.
As someone who legit binge watched the entire 4 seasons this last week to catch up to the world, I can say Season 4 for me, felt more so of a “Who done it” type of series with trying to figure out who the mole was, also since I didn’t know I needed to watch GEN V directly after season 3 the whole Virus arc felt like it came out of no where
@@zaiz6018 Yes, that's not what the previous seasons felt like for me, this season felt like a clusterfuck of trying to over analyze everyone to figure out if they can potentially be the mole. I'm not saying a "who done it" theme or concept is bad at all, what I'm saying is after binge watching the entire series in a week, season 4 felt drastically different from what we were given the last 3 seasons. The last 3 seasons felt like you were watching Team A slowly, but mechanically take down Team B, while also facing some tough adversity along the way. While to me Season 4 felt like Team B letting Team A silently get closer up to them, all while they're trying to figure out where the leaks are coming from. Also like I mentioned in my comment, had I known previously that watching Gen V would clear some of that confusion up, I probably wouldn't feel this way, but that just happened to be the order I watched it in.
A Train turning good was my favorite part of this season. I felt like in this season most of the characters couldn't get out of their own way. I also liked Sister Sage too.
You didn’t think they were gonna allow a black character to be irredeemable did you? He obviously was gonna turn good. Course all the white villains in the show are rapey and irredeemable.
Komiko is my fave character for some reason, the relationship between her and frenchy is such an intriguing relationship that you cant help but route for. Im also excited to see what happens with ashleigh, shes another unique character that you can never really tell what shes gonna do
Starlight being mad at Hughey for doing exactly what she did was initially revolting, but then thinking of what she's gone through... it's actually a great portrayal of insecurity and vulnerability. She's not thinking rationally, she's being a normal person who is hurt. I hated that initially, but I love it now.
I still hate it considering she never apologizes to Hughie for putting the blame on him. I’m okay with characters making mistakes, but she never acknowledges that she was wrong. She just makes a half-hearted joke about it and thats it
Starlight feeling angry is understandable what is NOT understandable is why hughie doesn't stand up for himself. Instead, he just apologizes to her which makes no sense
I think the problem here is that the narrative framing it in a way that favors her more than hughie. It's fine if they make Starlight hurt hughie, she is human, she makes mistakes. It's just that it feels like they downplay her mistake sorta. Because jeezus that was a scummy thing to say regardless if you yourself is a victim too or not.
She had a pretty decent performance this season, especially with the double stuff. But, MAN, did her choice regarding her appearance get really distracting this season.
On a train's redemption arc, I thought that every time he was on screen he was just fun to watch. I was invested in his story the whole time. Also, rest in peace Chance Perdomo, he carried Gen V and I'm not sure where they'll go without him.
holy shit this is the first time im hearing of this that he died. Just finished the show recently, he was one of my fav characters. fuck. that actaully sucks. great actor/guy.
A-Train was so boring. It has been shown that his greatest ambition is to sit on the porch drinking beer with his brother. Not to mention he actually killed lot of people for nothing
the last 2 episodes of season 4 are incredible and possibly even my favourite of the show. They went for a very unique approach this season and it was very very good despite not being as fun as other seasons for the most part.
i dunno his Redemption felt forced. it was honestly crazy they trusted him for starters, Last time they did she ratted out to Homelander and got Supersonic killed.
@@AlanJ1993 I dunno the stuff with his own family and wanting to do right by them in previous seasons made it feel logical to me, the only people left in the seven are the actual psychopaths
Agree totally on the lack of danger this season, they even went so far as to bring up that Homelander has super smell and hearing just like tech knight or whatever the bdsm supe was called, but then how many people break into his room and steal stuff and he never seems to notice? Or even do something literally in the same building as him (Including GUNSHOTS UPSTAIRS IN THE SAME HOUSE) and he still doesn't notice? In season one he could find anyone in the same city as himself as long as they weren't in some isolation chamber with zinc or whatever mcguffin blocks his super senses
I’m really excited to see the introduction of the characters from Gen V into The Boys with the cliffhanger. Next seasons gonna be really interesting how they tie in the two shows
@@theimpersonator7086 I think it was necessary to set up season 5. With just having season 3 and going to the final season I feel like it would feel rushed considering how season 4 ended and how the boys position has changed so much.
@@meatsauce12 This season was a bit weaker than the other seasons to me so I lowered my expectations for the finale, but it was pretty good. Can't wait for season 5
Yeah that ending was so sudden, everyone was checkmated but butcher. Lucky he got the virus when he did, now he is a huge threat to every supe on the planet.
As a New Zealander, it's so amazing to see how far Antony Starr has come as an actor. As a young teenager, i first watched him on a New Zealand tv Show called outrageous fortune in which he played twin brothers, one brother being a successful lawyer and the other being a stoner with many flaws but still quite a lovable character. Two twin brothers with complete opposite personalities, coming from a dysfunctional family and often confiicting with each other but Antony played the role of both so amazingly well. After that show, he kind of disappeared for a while, I imagine because would have barely been recognised at all overseas whatsoever. After years of not seeing him on screen, he these plays a role as the main character on a us tv show called banshee which in my opinion is a very good show and is not nearly as popular as it should be. And then Next comes homelander. Honestly they couldn't have picked a better actor to play this role. I knew he was a good actor but this role truly made me appreciate his skills as an actor. Karl urban (butcher) is a great New Zealand actor too but Antony steals the spotlight when he's on screen no matter who he's next to. Wish homelander had a little bit more sceeen time because when he's on is when the show is most entertaining for me. If anyone is reading this, you can probably tell I'm a big fan of his 🤣🤣
I watched Banshee and didn't even realize it was Antony. I guess because he looks smaller in Banshee. I enjoyed that show quite a lot. The nudity was next level.
Starlight went from one of my favorite characters to being barely tolerable throughout seasons 3/4. Her powers have always been kind of lame, but that combined with her short-temperedness and intolerable attitude makes had me rooting for her demise. I actually laughed out loud when she yelled at Hughie for not being able to distinguish between her and an IDENTICAL lookalike who had access to ALL of her memories. (Edit) Here’s some more context on my take: Seasons 1 and 2 introduced a likable girl who was determined to do good in the world and refute the status quo, and someone who was challenged with spiritual and moral confliction despite her best efforts to do what was right. We saw less of that in season three as her personality began to vanish out of thin air, giving us as an audience less and less to root for and less and less to like. Season four made it worse by giving her a bad attitude, and after she lost her temper (completely out of character btw) and beat up firecracker on live television. It all went downhill from there. Those who argue that it’s “character development” don’t really understand what good character development is. Good writing might temporarily change a character’s attitude for the worse, but still retains some aspect of their personality that keeps the audience attached to them. If it doesn’t do this, it gives the audience another reason to want to stay on their side. Starlight’s shift in character included none of this, and that is why so many people dislike her.
why do you think she's intolerable? honest question she's always been one of my least favorite characters and a bit lame but she's a very sweet girlfriend and how her and hughie have treated eachother and how they've overcome difficulties together has been pretty good so "barely tolerable" is crazy to me
@@esteban4284I think she was unfair to Hughie over the whole shapeshifter thing, but other than that I’ve never really hated her. I think a lot of people just hate on her for no reason
Sister Sage was surprisingly really good. The supes they introduce and normally kill are relatively lack luster, but firecracker and sister sage were a fun dichotomy
Really? Let’s have a character whose power is being the smartest person in the world! Oh and she’ll be a black woman too. How surprising. And let’s just say that everything happens is part of her grand plan. If you’re gonna have a super genius character, it helps to have a somewhat intelligent writer.
@@Gino565wow, it’s almost like the superhero’s powers play second fiddle to the character moments or something. We’ll have to fix this by having a whole episode of the deep showing how good a swimmer he is! Or how about an episode where firecracker uses her useless ass powers for more than a scene? In all seriousness though, the good parts about Sage aren’t about how she drives the plot forward, it’s her interactions with Homelander, Firecracker, and the Deep. She might not be like Reed Richards and shit out new tech that will “totally fix everything” every episode, but her social engineering does demonstrate enough intelligence that it’s conceivable she’s the smartest person alive.
I still REALLY LIKED THIS season but I feel like it was mostly just TWO THINGS: 1. Providing further characterization and emotional subtext for the main characters 2. Setting all the narrative pieces on the board for the season finale and the final season
Honestly that scene where Ashley overhears that she was put on "the list" and straight up pumps herself with V to escape was tense and no one talks about it.
I was really excited to see what happened to her but it doesn't even show her again and then I forgot about her lol.
I feel like there was a lot of scenes that had these moments but they didn’t embark on them. Like Ryan after he killed Mallory.
It wasn't great. She should have left with A Train.
@@splinter360??? This was a way better choice from a writing perspective. If she leaves with A-Train, she’s basically gone from the show forever. Plus, it wouldn’t make sense for her character. She is DOMINATED by homelander, and the thought of running from him and living her entire life in fear of him isn’t a position she wants to put herself in, especially considering her ticket out (A-Train) wouldn’t be able to run her away from Homelander forever.
This development is way cooler, and just like every other plot thread in this season, they were setting up for the layup that season 5 will be.
Great writing choice.
Yeah and the fact that it was the last time we saw her in that episode really opens the door for bigger things next season
"aint no fucking way" mothers milk, almost every single episode of season 4
yea they butchered his character lmao
LMAOOO REAL
@@conorkilhenny5362how did they butcher his character
@@Marlinkz_ gave him butchers job
@@conorkilhenny5362 lol they literally butchered him
A train making it out of season 4 is a huge twist
Did he die in the comics?
@@noaamdam159I haven’t seen the comics but people theorized that he was dying this season bc of all the screen time he was getting and him rebelling against Vought
I fully believe Sage knew he would too and wanted that
@@noaamdam159yes
Penguin has no idea what he's talking about
I really agree with Charlie on Starlights angry reaction to Hughie being violated like that completely took me by surprise and Hughie not even expressing how violated and awful he feels.
Yeah assault towards men isn’t that serious for the writers, according to an interview.
@@michaelnelson8231 What interview?
@@jaymercer4692 think it was either Variety or Forbes, but they did an interview with the show runner about his thoughts on episode 6
I feel like she wasnt just mad about hughie fucking fake anny or proposing to her... She is clearly having an identity crisis and depression because of her past ... She was just mad because hughie proposed to the sexual happy super caring not depressed nor fucked up anny and not the real fucked up anny ... Tho that gets sorted out so i guess it is not that big of a deal.
Didn’t this happen in a very similar way in that awful Wonder Woman sequel?!
Idgaf if this show as whole doesn't get nominated for any awards but Antony deserves an Emmy, he MADE Homelander into the iconic villain he is.
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@@epzo Don't acknowledge them, it's what they want
He's kind of an A hole irl tho
Homelander is, as always, a scene stealer every time he's on screen. I really hope Antony Starr is recognized with some awards. His acting has been amazing on this show.
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He deserves just...all of the awards. Emmy for Sound Design? Nothing to do with him but give it to him anyways. Just give them all to him.
fuck with dr fat nuts i got a feature with zillakami and drake
Facts
Props to Sister Sage having the whole season 4 script but didn't spoil it.
VoughtHQ did
Fr
It's funny how the only thing she didn't knew was poor web weaver dying.
@@a.f9234 maybe she did, just didnt care
@@a.f9234 That was an action that's too stupid for her to predict
The starlight thing upset me so much, it’s not just like they looked alike, she had all her memories so she was able to act exactly like her.
I wouldn’t be able to tell my family apart from shapeshifters with those powers. I will say, they were fully aware that a shapeshifter was on the loose and something they should look out for. If they were smart, all of the boys should have been cautious and skeptical of each other. But that’s just me. In the real world people probably wouldn’t think of that
@aggressivefox454 Me too. I'd notice they had a different energy but would assume they were just having a good/bad day.
The writers think male sexual assault is funny and also our fault :)
she did not act like her at all. her personality did not match annie’s. hughie should have known after 10 days knowing theres a fucking shapeshifter running around. no excuses for him
@@MAX-de8feno they don’t lol. hughie wasn’t actually assaulted in that scene by ashley. he actually assaulted her, because she was consenting to acts with webweaver not hughie. tek knight 100% knows its not webweaver tho and thats where the SA comes in. the only part of that scene that is remotely comical is ashley’s part because she’s kinky and doing nothing wrong. the scenes where tek knight is about to hurt and SA hughie have absolutely no comedy in them and are treated with the sincerely they deserve.
This season was absolutely brutal to Hughie who, can we all remember please, is supposed to be the main character?
He has to kill his father, he’s sexually assaulted and it’s played for laughs, he gets like 5 minutes to grieve before he’s assaulted again in the next episode in a totally different way. Butcher shits on his plans after he accepted butcher was going to die I mean it just doesn’t end
I’d say Butcher and Homelander are the real main characters since their feud is the plot of the show. Hughie’s tragedy is just the starting point for the show.
yuji idatori levels of misery
I really hope next season we see hughie take on butcher, it would be brutal for both of them but if hughie had prep time I reckon he might be able to
@@Drifter1989nah this show is for sure Huey’s lol we get his family and all. He gets the girl. (Annie) and is the only one left with emotion
Don’t forget Starlight pulling an Invincible Season 1 after said second SA 💀
I did genuinely like this season, but it definitely has weak moments, even if the ideas of said moments make sense and are good. Just some weird execution or flatness.
Kimiko finally using her voice too gave me chills. Insane cliffhanger for season 4
Same, actual chills lol
I didn't even realize it was her at first
"chills" it was massively shoehorned in. Pathetic
It's pathetically cliched writing. It retroactively turns her muteness into a cheap writing gimmick played for "muh chills". Picture the writer's room.
"So she's mute, right? But what if something happens that is so devastating and shocking that she finally speaks!"
"Hasn't she experienced a ton of trauma up to this point already?"
"Yeah, but this will be a season finale!"
i deadass teared up
Kimiko finally being able to speak after they took frenchie away from her was the most heartbreaking thing ever
My mouth was open for a good 40 seconds during that scene. Absolutely brilliant. It should be mentioned more in the comments, tho
on GOD bro
been waiting for this since Kimiko was introduced, but seeing her finally manage to speak in _that_ situation???? Jesus christ that hurt
I LITERALLY CRIED
It was really stupid lmao
that was the part that broke me fr man 😭 that shit made my heart drop
The way Newman and Sage nod at each other after Sage got shot by MM makes me laugh so much.
*Me as Newman nodding to the writers*
I watched that episode shortly after having surgery and my stitches almost ripped open how hard I was laughing
@@DASRH The writers nodding back at you as sage.
@@antin_ovel my goodness I hope you feel better soon. That’s awful but at a good cost.
Aint no party like a tek knight party
If you ain’t white…you ain’t right
No knighty 😂
tec knight diddy party
The Diddy party
@@wu_pressure113
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Regarding Frenchy’s relationship with Colin: I think it was terrible not because it was gay, not because it felt random, but because it went nowhere and ultimately led to nothing.
Also yes the finale was very boss
Not necessarily nothing, it leads to him turning himself in and the discussion with Kimiko that makes them realize they're both broken people who have done horrible things and struggle to live with themselves because of it, which is why they're great for each other. But yeah, it kind of sucked
They used Colin to develop frenchie and kimikos relationship and the theme of accepting yourself despite your past. Colin was never meant to be more important than that so I guess the issue is he was a waste of a character
It led to him dealing with his past and ultimately Kimiko doing so too. It felt like it would lead to nothing at first but now that the whole season's out that's just not accurate anymore.
That was literally my only issue with it. Being accused of being a homophobe as a lesbian myself by some people, because I thought the Frenchie/Colin relationship was poorly written, was really disheartening. Had it been written well, I would’ve been totally fine with it.
Dating Colin the reason he crashed out
That cliffhanger was fucking diabolical.
@CATSOUPUTTP-sj2fv ok i wont
Fr😂
Butcher really did butchered nueman
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Bot, not human being. Don't engage @@jeromeicle0
Simon Pegg did an INCREDIBLE job on his last episode
That episode almost made me cry
That "Something's wrong with me. And I don't know how to fix it" was such perfect delivery 🤌🏻
Season 4 was definitely a builder season, just to set up the finale Season 5
That's exactly how I've felt ever since I watched the first episode, then you have people saying this season it's too slow, nothing happens... Like, why so many people can't watch something without it being super fast-paced, action all the time? Calm tf down, it's obvious it's a set up
@@elkevinski 100,000% could not agree more
@@Blackfatratit wasn’t mainly a set up it was a huge slow burn and goddamn it paid off. Some of the episodes weren’t really interesting and filler focused but the majority had a lot of stuff going on that contributed to the slow burn
yeah yeah a builder season like GoT season 7 set us up for the grand finale
@@TheHidalgo99 have you been watching critical drinker’s shit review on the boys season 4?
Ngl bro A-train seemed like the character that got the most development, respect and kept the audience interested through this whole season, every other season he was just meh
I have to edit this part cause ppl are getting sensitive about the “meh” part😂: I like A-train and how his character is portrayed, when I say meh I mean they didn’t give ‘em enough screen time or respect in the series and was made to be bullied by ppl like homelander and stormfront, which the edgelords and racists don’t mind.
ngl hes always had the coolest power in the show though
@@narckiller6561 No
@@tbgtabiasyou didn't read what they said properly, L
@@LameBoyLeewhat was then
@@db5094 whoops you're right. i read "every season was just meh"
How poetic would it be if Soldier Boy and Ryan teamed up to kill Homelander. His family, the one thing he desperately wanted, leads to his demise. The irony would be comical
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As much as it wouldn't make sense i would love to see it.
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MM every single time a character walks in: “where the fuck you been / wtf you doing here?”
MM every single time a character walks out: “where the fuck you going?”
holy shit MM is my mom
the m in MM stands for mother
@@dawildbear
Aint no way
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I just hate how the writers treated Hughie this season. When Starlight was sexually assaulted by the deep it was taken seriously, when Hughie was assaulted by tek-knight and the shapeshifter it’s not only treated as a joke but like it’s Hughies fault. Wtf
Think outside the bun bro it's mocking our society, the entire show is and suddenly hughie getting sexually assaulted and having it laughed off is different? No, it's making fun of soci ty because that's what WE DO
It's a parody of our world.
It’s basically “good people get stepped on.” But I think he’ll come out on top in Season 5.
Is it sexual assault when you engage in it to keep your cover? Ashley 100% didn't even know and Tek probably didn't know right away, even though he wouldn't care anyways. I guess it doesn't matter because he was about to get assaulted for sure after.
@@crowntotheundergroudSexual assault is sexual assault. And when one is taken seriously while the other is played for laughs it shows some real colors behind the people making the show. And gate keeping the severity is just fucked up lol
Season 3 has great buildup and a subpar ending.
Season 4 had subpar buildup and a great ending.
Two bad seasons overall.
@@MasonGrant0704 season 3 the best one
Neither of them were anywhere near bad
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Season 1 is the best in mu view.
Erin Moriarty needs to be cast more as villains, her performance as the shape changer was one of the best in the show to date. I only wish she had more screen time.
I’m gonna be completely honest here. I think one of the reasons why she did very well as a villain was also because her facial features are now “atypical”, which combines well with acting villainous roles 😅
@@Fizius her facial features have nothing to do with that, she is just a good actor
My exact thoughts
@@FiziusIt's cause she looks like fucking skeletor now lmao
@@Fiziuscan we stop shaming her because her face isn’t exactly how you want it to be, this is so stupid.
I liked Sister Sage, but I feel as if any plot hole that is brought up this season could just be explained as "a part of the plan"
Everything not beyond my control and never could have computed was always my plan because I’m a smart ugly Mary Sue, deal with it haters
@@high-captain-BaLrog "you re welcome homelander"
HOW she is able to make those plans??
What logic is behind that??
And why EVERYTHING goes the way she like without any variation or mistake of the people she manipulate?? Is almost like the people around her are NOT ACTUAL HUMANS and nothing can go wrong in any part of her plan...
And when you make a more complex, sofisticate, and larger plan: MORE THINGS TEND TO GO WRONG, because people don’t always will follow the plan for whatever reason... No matter how smart and accurate was that plan.
Anyone can just say “everything is according to my plan”, and just give a simple and mediocre explanation of why is “intelligent” to think that way, then just attribute things that don’t have sense or relation between them and say “it was the only option, so I discovered”.
1. She attributes reasons to things that don’t have correlation between them...
2. Doesn’t explain or give hints of any part of her plan, so no one can see the “logic” behind that...
3. Make assumptions of persons and events that she Actually DOESN’T KNOW OR EVEN MEET...
4. She makes a common error that many “smart” villains do: Her plans are WAY too large, and “complex”, that they forget that having many variables doesn’t usually means the plan will go their way, PERFECTLY. It’s just no sense...
5. You never see a PLAN B, a glimpse of Improvisation, a “Escape Exit Door” of any situation, or any Actual realistic way or idea of why she is a Genius OUTSIDE her little fictional world.
@@alfonsomendez9787 Yeah, but we should not think of her intelligence in terms of human intelligence, but more in terms of artificial intelligence. She is not naturally gifted, she is turned into a hybrid. AI has the ability to collect millions of information in seconds and put them together and draw predictions in a way that is impossible to a human. Remember how she scanned Homelander first time she saw him, concluded about his prostate based ob his hand skin being thinner because of more washing. Thats not human information processing, that is machine processing.
You know how social media can offer you an ad for something you just think about in your head? I read those predictions are made based on, not information on you available on those platforms, or your behavior, likes and dislikes, but on the analysis of your emotions and impulses that are behind those behaviors of yours. And the more activity of yours ai collects, the better it knows you. And beware, you yourself dont completely understand most of your impulses, so it knows you better than you know yourself, and so it is able predict your next moves.
Sage isnt humanly smart, her ability to connect the cause and effect is out of the reach of human brain.
@alfonsomendez9787 Jeez chill. Have you ever thought that maybe Sage is just a very manipulative person, and will claim that things are going her way just so that she can keep her status as a smart person and ally with Homelander? Maybe think a bit deeper rather then give shallow complaints.
What I really loved is how Stan Edgar’s prediction was proven. When he was kicked out, he told Homelander that he had no one else to stand up to him. That the world would find out the monster he truly is and he’d lose control of Vought. And Homelander did. He lost control and people saw him for the monster he is. So Homelander eventually hires someone very similar to Stan to help him. Someone who stands up to him and is smarter. That person was Sage.
And he throws her to the curb too 😂 luckily for him that sage did it just for the love of the game.
I heard that sage is a fan of maeve so she might be doing it to avenge maeve
I mean the population doesn't see him as a monster and sage is different from stan cuz she speaks way more to homelaner but Stan rarely reveals his plans but sage is great character
@@aminefera5880yeah sage is doing stuff for a completely different reason.
Part of world sees him as a monster, the Starlighters (where ever the fuck they went) and also get that Sage is doing this for a much different reason. I’m just saying why Homelander hired her
Butcher is literally venom now
With a dash of t virus from resident evil
“We are venom”- Butcher
More like wesker
Diabolical init?
He's Eren Jeager
Starlight’s exit was hard asf
The only good thing she did all season was fly away
@@BoBurnham69 She did kill the shape shifter
Iron Man moment. Hopefully she has his level of screen presence next season.
@@robles1461yea fr, her performance as the shapeshifter was her best yet imo
@@BoiledOdenn They had a hardcore feminist write her for this season
I kinda disagree on sister sage. I feel she is a highly intelligent character written by unintelligent people because their view on “intelligence” is just magically knowing things. It’s not even like she has any framework to guess the stuff she “knows”, it feels more like she comically takes credit for knowing things she had no context to predict or have knowledge of. It’s like a player who metagames in d&d and then says “I have high intelligence so therefore I could have figured it out”
She isn’t smart she just read the script
definitely agree, it was kinda ridiculous
Finally I find someone else saying this ! Honestly, with how she was written I believe that mind-reading would've been a more appropriate power. Just having a bunch of books in her apartment, but seemingly never referencing or directly applying any of it, isn't a showcase of her intelligence
What you just described is the biggest flaw of the entire show. The script says she’s intelligent but she never once acted intelligent. On the contrary, she acts like someone with a bellow average IQ. The show tells us she’s intelligent but it never shows us, all it shows us is that she magically knows things without any intelligence or thought that led to her knowing anything.
Robot from The Invincible is x1000000 smarter and on the contrary, he shows why he's intelligent.
Mallory didn’t need to traumatise Ryan like that though 💀
Yeah… she kinda fucked up there, ryan wouldn’t be able process that many information in under a minute
Fr. Ryan was perfectly capable of understanding how dangerous homelander was. He would have turned on homelander if they just had the time
She desperate but yeah, she was not thinking rationally. Butcher was ironically the level headed one.
@@Drifter1989 and now they done fucked up
Her doing that literally fucked up EVERYTHING
Season 5 is gonna go hard. Butcher's anger is fully unleashed and he's gonna wanna kill everyone, including Ryan for getting in his way. He's gonna make homelander happy for finally falling to his level.
btw question about Butcher. wasnt he going to die? what happened?
@@0x0f2 He accepted the parasite so the parasite healed him and gave him his powers
@@Candyheadso Butcher is like an antagonist now in season 5?
Anti hero. The enemy of homelander is automatically non antagonist tbh @@aceseeu
@@aceseeu more like anti-villain cause he isnt against the Boys
This season almost felt like a place holder till the final episode. We did get a lot of backstory to show the darker elements of the heroes in this series. The line that best describes this season is when the shape shifter said “Everyone is the hero in their own story.” I still enjoyed it, but the season just kept spinning its wheels.
Still wish we had more interaction between Starlight and Firecracker to explore the whole "everyone is the hero in their story" theme.
@@Mr.Coffee576Right? Honestly, Annie’s whole storyline of her being a “bad guy” doesn’t work cause.. all she really did was be a bully as a kid.. and she aborted a baby.. Idk it doesn’t make much sense to me.
@@WhereMyHugI actually disagree, cause I feel like people like her deny all the bad shit they did, and when you accept you have weird “oh well I guess I’m just and asshole then” and it take to reach the “oh I’m not an angel, but I’m not a demon, I’m just human we all sin.”
I do wish they did have a bit more of an interaction and understanding, but realistically humans are more petty/ miscommunication a lot of things all the time. So it’s very realistic when I comes to the psychology of the characters. Which makes it so compelling.
Tho the fan in me was also like…if they had more scenes that would be dope. I get why they didn’t…but :P
@@WheneverythingsGonebut the problem is that all the "bad shit she did" was just some offscreen backstory bullying that doesn't even manifest itself in her current personality. It makes it feel like the writers just pulled it out of their ass and makes it lose its impact.
At least Frenchie's conflict made sense because we literally meet him as a criminal, and he's still pretty murdery today, just for the good side. So him having a backstory of having killed innocent people totally makes sense, while Annie's doesn't.
@@shadowgame0630 I do think they change her personality a lot for the sake of the plot, and some stuff even I was like “Yo…give her some humility.” But all and all, it didn’t bother me too, to much. Her shitting on Huie (or however you spell his name) for the S.A. Made me really like “ick.” But I still tried to look past it.
I do get what you’re saying though. I personally wouldn’t say, they pulled it out of their ass but, I thought they would play into the bullying arch more. It felt to me, very rushed and not fully fleshed out, so at times it was like “uhhh why you making her like that.”
I would love to hear Charley talk about it without worrying about spoilers by just saying his moist meter score at the beginning and telling people to watch it first if they are worried about spoilers
Starlight blaming hughie for being repeatedly raped was WILD to me. It got me so wild
He wasn’t raped he stated himself that he enjoyed it.
She has always been a bad character. It was just highlighted here.
She had a right to be upset, but blaming him was really out of nowhere
@@game_pooch upset yes. At him, hell no
@@stropheum yup, i cringed when she got mad at him, then she was the one who forgave him bruh
The last montage is probably one of the best scenes in the whole series, great music choice too
Kamiko screaming no was awesome
Honestly, here's an idea i would love to happen in the last season. Instead of homelander being killed, perhaps the boys instead could depower homelander and turn him into what he hates the most, being human.
What's to stop him from getting his hand on some V again?
@@N0neImportant Would he even get the same powers? Also they would probably make sure he doesn't I mean its not like he would exactly be a threat without powers.
@@Greenhawk4 He probably would get the same power, Kimiko was depowered in S3 and took V to get her powers back
He was born supe, I get a feeling it works differently for him and Ryan, perhaps it would kill them to get depowered
@@loandx2074 oh yeah that is true.
They did MM dirty with the love sausage at the end 😂
His moral enemy…
@@WeaselArlington LOL moral. Ah yes, morals are his enemy.
MM literally did nothing in season 4
@@hamndv Factually incorrect. Also you gotta stop misusing the word literally.
@@hamndvHe got closer to A Train so idk wtf your saying
Butcher's super cancer was a Chekhov's gun. We all knew it was gonna be fired since it was introduced as a plot point. That's the main reason we never felt like he was actually gonna die.
fr like I don't know why anyone would have thought it was actually any danger to him.
How did he get the parasite?
@@Halfcertified the V affected the tumor he had.
@@Halfcertified He injected himself with Perma V shortly after his diagnosis in season 03 as a last ditch effort to cure his illness. That Perma V got absorbed by the black mass in his brain and created this Hentai monster that you just saw
@@Greenhawk4 I dont think thats the correct view. It is going to kill him, however fighting against it makes him worse, while when he cooperates with cancer it doesnt actively hurting him.
I really appreciate Charlie pointing out the hughie was sexually assaulted man and that the writers tried to play it into a joke.
And also starlight victim blaming hughie.
Edit: I know both of them were victims about the situation,but it still came off insensitive for starlight to immediately blame hughie on what happened to him he didn't know or couldn't control not mentioning the fact the the shape shifter had her memories.
I don't mean to write too much but another thing the writers are really trying to downplay male SA and it's weird especially forgetting that firecracker is a whole PDF but it isn't taken seriously.
Hughie literally cries in annie’s arm and talks about it with her you see that it affects him i don’t understand wym?
even annie was angry at him more so than understanding which doesn’t make sense when she’s supposed to be the head of a movement of acceptance.
Yeah I didn’t like Annie’s reaction too, but she IS human. So that reactionary take of hers is understandable even if it is hurtful for Hughie
Didn't she immediately after that say something that let him know he isn't actually being blamed? Like let him know she is just mad but he's not the issue. I'm struggling to remember what it was. brb lol, yeah nope never happened. It was just her expression of guilt that I was seeing. Like she knew she was fucking up, blaming herself.
“Sorry I was tricked into being assaulted by someone who looks like you, sounds like you, acts like you, and has your memories. I’ll never do that again!”
Hughie got assaulted three episodes in a row. Wtf.
the last 2 episodes was pure The boys moment. It kinda feels like first few episodes was during the writer strike then the last 2 was when the old writers returned.
This whole season felt like it was during the writers strike 😂 don’t get me wrong there were great moments but imo this season felt rushed lol
@@webbmartezyeah it felt so short compared to season 3
@@webbmartezespecially the ending why was this season so bad
@@elibonham4388 I feel like someone at Amazon told the shower runner to wrap this shit up 😂 that’s why we’re only getting 5 seasons when I’m pretty sure the writer wanted to do 7 seasons
Man I fucking loved the whole season 😭
what if if The Boys was called "The Freaks" and nothing about season 4 changed
Highie getting sexually assaulted 3 episodes in a row and played for laughs is just downright not fun to watch. All he endured this season was traumatic event after traumatic event and its written as if it’s his fault.
I really hope they treat him better next season because he feels like the heart and goodness of the show
Because apparently everything Eric Kripke says is right and fans take things too seriously
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Bros always been butt of the joke, bro wasnt even clapping the real starlight
I kinda think it’s going to lead him from being butchers minion, Hughie gets kinda dark near the end in the comics so as much as it sucks that he’s just a joke I feel like the bad shit he does will feel very justified, I mean he just let his best friend get ripped in half after trying to save her, not saying he was happy but he stood by butcher
I thought it pretty funny
The whole Colin situation just showed they had no idea what to do with Frenchie and Kimiko. He just existed just to delay what we saw last season
It felt so weird. Like remove all characters and labels, a character has a relationship with another character he DEEPLY deeply hurt in the past, say murdering their entire family, and then he meets them later and falls for them. They are intimate once and the guilt is literally eating him alive “oh well guess I’ll do it 3 more times” 🙄 if being around someone makes you feel THAT bad you’re gonna avoid them and not fall back into bed with them.
@@garbearfar1394 Love is more complicated than that. He was also urged by Kimiko multiple times to continue to see him.
"your'e all fucking welcome" was so fucking cold
Butcher’s decision to kill Neuman fucked his team over in the end lol
@@mp6640 yea it shows that butcher tumor is getting worse and he cares more about killing supes than the boys.
@@mp6640 ye but at least nobody has to live with the "what if my head pops randomly" fear ever again, she was fkin dangerous lol
@johnnymonsterrrr, and what about the supe that caught Hughie and Starlight at the end who could do the same as Victoria and probably worse
@@mp6640 Not really. None of the boys had a clue about Sage's plan and they were in a lose-lose situation either way without Butcher. Supe Butcher is their best shot at taking down Homelander since Solder Boy.
The problem with characters like Sage who are “the smartest person in the world” is that cliche scene that is inevitable. The one where they seem to get out maneuvered and then, oh, twist, it was, “Apart of their plan all along.” That is predictable af
Especially when their super plan hinges on others making mistakes (like sage with homelander) which is at best a possibility that can't be controlled.
Peak Lelouch
The biggest problem with having “the smartest person in the world” is they the character can only ever be as intelligent as the writer.
Almost everytime the “smartest” character will make really dumb choices because of plot.
i didnt expect it at all, and neither was the fandom, i was seeing conversations everywhere about how dumb everything sage was doing and how it was so obviously leading to her failure. im pretty sure that the writers introduced her to the show knowing exactly how to take her out, you have to do it that way when you write characters so powerful
@@_Amit_Sunilnah lelouch did sum different
Black noir being irl narcoleptic n them using it is hilarious
What do you mean lol
the actor isn't narcoleptic. he just likes to sleep on set alot. very weird rumor
@@PakiBlindersdid you ask him?
@@PakiBlindersit's not a rumor. Anthony Starr and Chace Crawford revealed in a Q&A that he does indeed have narcolepsy IRL and they decided to add it to the script
English please
it pisses me off that starlight blamed Hughie for being raped by a person that was disguising as HERSELF
With all her memories too btw
Well, it was wrong of her to blame him. She got over it pretty quickly, so I feel like she was just angry and needed space for a minute to calm down, then realized she was wrong.
I feel like it would be reasonable for her to be emotional about it, it would still feel like a betrayal no matter how illogical it is because human emotions aren’t always logical.
she was just upset, it hurts to even think about your partner with someone else. she calmed down quickly and they will be just fine.
Well she got over it quickly so
7:39 a big part of starlights caharcter is what she notices. she is very observant. she noticed mm's ocd when no one else had, she noticed frenchie's mental state at the farm, etc. however, she had stopped noticing things when it comes to hughie this season and I find it very interesting.
probably because she was held prisoner for days. this season tried to have her go through some major self reflection after she was outed for her abortion, and her self deprecation from that is what i assume made her blow up on hughie for being raped, as fucked up as that is. it’s less that she was upset about getting cheated on and more that she feels like she isn’t good enough for him in my opinion. that would’ve been understandable to me if they hadn’t concluded her and hughie’s rough patch with her forgiving him(???), as if he was ever in the wrong for having sex with who he thought was his girlfriend.
Hughie couldn't catch a break this season.
And Kimiko became a punching bag the whole season. But that finale is really good.
I mean tbf when is a character with unlimited healing factor not used as a punching bag lmao. Deadpool, Wolverine etc the whole gag is wow look how much fucked up shit we can do to this person but don’t worry they’re gonna be fine in five minutes. It’s fun at times but really not all that original anymore imo
Kimiko really became a jobber this season, ngl. I really hope that changes next season.
@@BenSolo4 Which is very. Healing factor is not the same as being imune to pain, just because someone can heal from anything doesn't mean they can't feel pain. Deadpool cutting off parts of his body like it's nothing never sat right with me, just like Kimiko shrugging off being shot. She's still getting burning pieces of metal perfurating her body ffs
@@pocoloco753 tbf suspension of disbelief does need to play a part lol. The show is about superheroes afterall. They're not gonna spend every other scene with kimiko screaming in agony cuz its just not necessary. Way easier to just pretend like 'she doesn't feel the pain as much cuz shes a supe'.
You are all ignoring that Kimiko was specifically trained to not physically react to pain. She is a trained warrior. Shining Light put her through a lot, and there is a whole portion dedicated to showing why she doesn't scream in pain.
Ima be honest MM not having his beard made every scene with him jarring,its like if butcher just went bald honesty...
He went from a buffed black dude working in jail to an african farmer planting cotton
We saw that in Thor ragnarok tho 😂
his acting felt so forced without the beard
i had to google why is there a new actor for MM...
@@TheMageAcademy Same, he looks like a different person. Liked him better before, but he wanted to lose weight and work out more so good for him
“Use it or lose it.” Was the best line from Homelander in this season.
NOBODY ASKED MY CONTENT IS WAY BETTER... 🔥🔥
YFGA IS WAY BETTER THAN (TH-camR)...
“Your life is literally in your hands”
“Blow A-Train”
@@sentient3377 Actually the best one
The comment above is very scary
You know it’s bad when even Charlie thinks they use too many sexual innuendos 💀
I loved that the "smartest person in the world" wasn't just a tech genius that can build gadgets and "hack" computers, but instead, she used her intelligence to manipulate people and events. Really cool and fresh take on what is usually just a tired cliche.
A character from bleach is like this but more in depth
Gadgets and hacking is nice, but real power is collaborative.
Weapons are meant to deter and destroy. Propaganda is a swiss army knife. You can inspire and lead friends AND weaken the enemy with this.
i really liked that, to a certain point, a point that sage went ahead, because more than malipulative and a genius, she seems to know the future, like weeks ahead, thats not cool for me
I still think they did a poor job of explaining how her powers actually work. It felt like a cop out and poor writing to just go “it was all part of my plan”. Okay? How though? How does her brain actually work. Is she clairvoyant? Does she have a photographic memory where she remembers everything she’s ever read?
@@CesarTorres-zk3ek Exactly. Everything is according to keikakku with her, I knew she was going to show back up at the end and go, "This is just how I planned it!" And she did.
One flaw in this season I feel like is they prioritize shock value too much. Obviously this season has never been afraid to show gratuitous violence and sexual content, but this season I almost feel like they prioritized it over the plot. Like with Tek Knights party, some of the way characters were killed, it felt needless sometimes.
The butt svcking human centipede. Like, seriously? Why?
I agree. For a good majority of this season, it felt like the writers came up with scenarios (the duplicating naked man fight, Ice Skating Rink scene, flying sheep, BDSM Batman, Annie Shapeshifter) and wrote around them to force them into the show rather than letting the plot dictate what scenarios the characters would end up in.
@@gabrielkrows488 that human centipede butt sucking was so gross and pointless
I felt the same way for season 4. Sex and violence was edgy and fun before, but suddenly it's like the main plot! It felt like a constant assault of gore and dicks. Thankfully, the final 10 minutes of the season brought me back or I may have been done with this show.
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Episode 1-5 "It's so over."
Episode 6-8 "We're so back!"
Episode 4 :
I still hate how its 5/8 of the episodes are filler
Nah, episodes 5 and 6 were the worst ones of the entire series by far. 7 and 8 pulled through though.
I'd say episodes 4,7,and 8 were all really good. Episode 1 us also good because of "blow A Train"
episode 4 was top tier
Season 4 of The Boys to me was like side quest from a video game that the developer forced you to complete in order to progess to the main story even though those side quest have very little impact to the main story
This season has massive effects on the characters
@@Ermthatjusthappenedyea sure, Frenchie is not going to be the same after they made him gae. This will make a big difference to the story.
I think Starlight was just angry and having a temper tantrum because she was starved and held captive for over a week, and took it out on Hughie. She is still way in the wrong.
Starved? If anything she put on a few pounds with those meals she was being force fed /j
@@Evanz111😐
They really pointed all of us into the direction of A-Train being killed and then did a complete curve ball
we didnt even see him in the final episode like wtf?
@@faresmohamed5107true he just got off scott free from homelander, that never happens that easily
@@jorascorpse homelander has bigger cats to chase
Guys. Soldier boy is back, just saying.
cause there are more interesting things in the show
Yeah keep clapping because you saw something you remeber
honestly that is annoying. the plot armor is rediculous
@@dizzlegrizzle1919How is Solider Boy being back plot armor? He’s nearly indestructible and we know that he was put to sleep by the end of last season.
Because there’s more interesting things to talk about than a 10 second clip with Soldier Boy.
Lately I feel like 'avoiding spoilers' has limited reviews and retrospections for commentators. Idk why would spoilers matter when somebody's choosing a video? (Not shaming Charlie, just a recent trend I've noticed and wondered)
I’m really glad you brought up the hughie stuff. That genuinely pissed me off… often times in media whenever a man is sexually assaulted it’s either played for laughs or it’s his fault… it’s just really bothers me man… not a great precedent to set.
It’s not that deep brother 🫡
And I’m so glad other people feel this way. I was so mad with how Annie treated hughie this episode
@@JMVQ37So am I allowed to laugh at you if you get 🍇?
@JMVQ37 it's 100% that deep 🤨
@@JMVQ37 nah it is kid
i can't belive Hughie dad actor, Simon Pegg, was the original Hughie in the Boys comics, like they draw hughie based on Pegg appearance, such a nice thing to have him in the show as his dad
My favorite part is he even calls him, "My wee Hughie" which is his nickname in the comics.
I’m sure Garth Ennis, the creator of the comics, was banking on Simon Pegg to play Hughie in the originally planned trilogy of movies. I’m glad they waited for the right climate for the show and cast him as Hughie Sr.
The scene where Starlight rages at Huey for banging the Starlight copy, who by the way has all her memories and emotions, pissed me off so much. She gaslights him into thinking he did something wrong as if it was his fault. Not only that, but the writers make Huey, who was the victim, accept that and make him apologize. Honestly it says a ton about the writers’ views and toxic beliefs more than anything.
Lead writer is on record for saying he finds hugie’s abuse hilarious
He did fuck and propose to her kidnapper. I'd be pissed too. She also forgave him like an hour later
Yea I found this to be the most annoying thing I found about the episode. When starlight got SA’d it was taken seriously as it should be but Hughies is just meant to be funny for some reason
While I agree about the Hughie SA, Annie was kidnapped, had her identity stolen and locked in a room for 10 days.
Of course she acted the way she did and she got back to her old self by the end of the episode.
Doesn’t make either of them right or wrong, just a shitty situation for both.
I am literally so glad you wrote this because I was so frustrated about this exact same thing I ended up googling because I was so confused about what happened and why he just accepted her gaslighting, but I couldn’t find anything on Reddit so I was literally just scared that maybe I just had an unusual opinion on the subject, but definitely not.. It truly gave me some closure reading this.😂😂😂😂
Hughie getting away from Homelander in the vent was just ridiculous. Homelander could see him clear as day and there is no way in hell he would miss his laser
Most vents are lined with zinc, still kinda dumb but not that stupid
Zinc
homelander can’t see through zinc which was what the vent was made out of if you payed attention to s1 when homelander said he can’t see through zinc
@@chrisziegler9646we also know that homelander has super hearing so he definitely heard where hughie was shuffling in the vents. Yet he still missed. Plot armor at its finest.
@@XxxDarkContinentxxXthere was a massive show going on with people singing and music. That was probably making it hard to hear his heartbeat or the noise he was making crawling through the vents.
The way I rewinded when I realized it was kimiko screaming got to me. It took me a minute but then absolutely broke my heart. Literally bawling
I saw it coming and it for sure hit hard. When they kissed I was like "FINALLY!!"
Glad I wasn't the only one who rewinded for that moment
same i cried through the end scene ✌🏻
Idk I feel like what hughie said at the end “in order to beat monsters we have to start being human” is the standpoint for this whole season, to build up to the finale where butcher crushes any idea of that infront of him even after bringing up Lenny to try and persuade him to work w numan, This whole season had so much bargaining and truces/deals. that builds up a good final season
The next season boutta be insane and it’s all butchers fault cus he couldn’t keep his cool and is being a big fucking man child
When Butcher said "it's butcherin' time" and butchered all those people was my favorite
I hated that. I understand it signifies a character change, but it was weird for him to just discard strategy by killing Victoria.
He's gonna eradicate all supes. Why tf would he leave her alive while she values her own and especially her daughters life. She would kill him in a instant
@@Alex-sr7xu Everything went to shit when he killed Victoria, it made no sense to and it got everyone kidnapped or captured/injured. He screwed the team
it’s 2024 and you’re STILL spouting that unfunny and corny ass “joke?”
He got sick of his team being useless and decided that he and kessler (parasite) can take down Homelander on his own
Jesse T. Usher should win an Emmy for his season 4 Facial Expressions alone, even when you put the rest of his acting and the character's story arc aside. It's been a real treat watching him grow as an actor over the course of this show, because he's really fantastic.
glazing
also give emmy to his barber
@@mentos7070”glazing” 🤡
The ending when starlight fucking homelander flew off screen was so 🔥 🔥
i read that so fucking wrong
@@bluespeed8900 NOBODY ASKED MY CONTENT IS WAY BETTER... 🔥🔥
YFGA IS WAY BETTER THAN (TH-camR)...
NOBODY ASKED MY CONTENT IS WAY BETTER... 🔥🔥
YFGA IS WAY BETTER THAN (TH-camR)...
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You may want to say that in a different way.
Kimiko and Frenchie getting together was the best thing ever. And then suddenly it was ruined.
Fr Colin was the most unnecessary side character to be added, and then we never saw him or even heard him mentioned after Frenchie told the truth
@@ConnerFondoi feel like he was necessary from a plot perspective. i feel like the main focus for both frenchie and kimiko was to explore their wrongdoings despite being seen as the ‘good guys’. adding collin as a part of frenchie’s arc was really used as a way to remind us that he is not a black or white character but is morally grey. I also viewed it as his past confronting him physically through the character collin and i found that to be really interesting. it really made u see how his former profession as a hitman has *seriously* affected his interpersonal relationships and how he views himself as a person.
all in all, colin was well done from my pov as it allowed me to see frenchie with more nuance and witness how devastating his former profession really was to him and others.
she loved him so much she overcame her traumatic mutism, peak fiction
@@chipotlesnumber1stan Thats fair. But in season 3 Frenchie and Kimiko were basically in a relationship and then right into season 4 they are platonic friends all of a sudden and now Frenchie is dating someone that we never even knew existed. The idea was good, but they executed it too late and it kind of just came off as an awkward “give a character something to do” plot point
I literally made the same point as you. why did they kiss and have a musical number together dancing around in previous seasons (in kimiko's hallucination) if she never liked him and he never liked her more than a friend? everyone was just coping because of bad shoehorned writing to drag out their romance when it was basically solidified by the end of season 3
I liked Sage a lot, but her whole story was too Sherlockian for my taste. I really dislike the whole “everything went exactly as I expected because I’m so smart and I can account for every piece of free will and random cosmic event harharhar!”
Except it wasn't like that, she said that there were few stuff that didn't go according to her plan
Except it wasn't like that, she said that there were few stuff that didn't go according to her plan
Except it wasn't like that, she said that there were few stuff that didn't go according to her plan
Except it wasn't like that, she said that there were few stuff that didn't go according to her plan
It really was like that, she didn’t say that there were few stuff that did go according to her plan
I agree with Charlie about the sexual content.
One thing I didn't like about Gen V was that there was sex scenes and sex talk all the time, every five minutes every episode.
its not just sexual content its just they went out of their way to amp up the disgust factor in every possible way
**Spoiler**
The reason his actions seems out of character, is because he isn't the same person.
There is no more Butcher, the entire season was him dying inside his head and his body being controlled by the tumor.
His eschizofrenia wife was the last bits of his own brain, but over time she would appear less and less, until she was gone, because he is gone.
He is just a body controlled by the tumor.
I'm pretty it's still butcher in there he's just leaning into his darker impulses now
It makes me sad, realizing that the last time you ever see him imagine his wife is when he's torturing the virus-maker and realizes both her and Wessler are just in his brain, like an angel and devil on your shoulder. After that, his brain is too late into the tumor stage and it is solely Wessler. But, it makes for a much much more interesting season 5 imo.
Edit: after him not killing kimiko or starlight or even the secret service agent, I think butcher is still there, he’s just fully embraced the dark side after seeing what happened to grace. I think butcher is still there, just fully embodied to kill all “bad” supes now.
@@natecallon9755 Kessler
@@smy8414 lmao sorry.
His stepson he put hope into killing a close friend of him was the cause for this. Even before his disease he would tend to overreact and being unforgiving to others. his hallucinations surely make that worse but I don't think he is completely gone
This season would honestly be anothet 5-10% higher if it didnt include any of the Hughie sexual assault scenes, or at least handled them way better, but according to Erik Cripke, these scenes were meant for laughs, which is really fucked up.
Eyeroll
And people say the show is more "mature" than the comics lol
@@lloydpatam4189 i mean... it is... it's not a hard bar to pass.
i thought it was handled decently well in universe, if you ignore the showrunner comments and just watched the show it wouldnt be as much of a problem. Kripke needs to stfu
@@spand9043 yeah that's fair honestly
Also, Joe Kessler’s description of Butcher’s team was 100% accurate.
What was the description? Must have missed it
Joe Kessler: “Billy, your team’s a joke. I mean you think I haven’t noticed? MM’s on the verge of a breakdown, Frenchie is a f*cking junkie, Huey is a gaping wet p*ssy, and the two supes on your side man for whatever reason you have a blind spot for them.”
Frankly, Kessler showed restraint in his assessment because Starlight has also been insufferable this entire season. Kimiko and Butcher are still tolerable even with the “out of character” writing they’ve been subjected to at times for the sake of moving the plot forward.
@@cass.n.m TH-cam or penguinz0 removed my reply unfortunately. Sad soft times we live in.
@@cass.n.msome thing like: “Frenchie is a lose cannon, Hughie is a pussy, and you don’t even care about starlight and kimiko”
As someone who legit binge watched the entire 4 seasons this last week to catch up to the world, I can say Season 4 for me, felt more so of a “Who done it” type of series with trying to figure out who the mole was, also since I didn’t know I needed to watch GEN V directly after season 3 the whole Virus arc felt like it came out of no where
Ain’t the entire point of a “who done it” show that the audience doesn’t know who done it?
The audience does know who the mole is in this instance.
@@zaiz6018 Yes, that's not what the previous seasons felt like for me, this season felt like a clusterfuck of trying to over analyze everyone to figure out if they can potentially be the mole. I'm not saying a "who done it" theme or concept is bad at all, what I'm saying is after binge watching the entire series in a week, season 4 felt drastically different from what we were given the last 3 seasons.
The last 3 seasons felt like you were watching Team A slowly, but mechanically take down Team B, while also facing some tough adversity along the way. While to me Season 4 felt like Team B letting Team A silently get closer up to them, all while they're trying to figure out where the leaks are coming from.
Also like I mentioned in my comment, had I known previously that watching Gen V would clear some of that confusion up, I probably wouldn't feel this way, but that just happened to be the order I watched it in.
Billy really went full Resident Evil type-shit at the end
I'm here for it.
He went Albert Wesker
Alex from Prototype
billy from the beginning was evil, that's the point with butcher
A Train turning good was my favorite part of this season. I felt like in this season most of the characters couldn't get out of their own way. I also liked Sister Sage too.
sister sage borning af
You didn’t think they were gonna allow a black character to be irredeemable did you? He obviously was gonna turn good. Course all the white villains in the show are rapey and irredeemable.
Komiko is my fave character for some reason, the relationship between her and frenchy is such an intriguing relationship that you cant help but route for. Im also excited to see what happens with ashleigh, shes another unique character that you can never really tell what shes gonna do
Idk, kinda weird how it went from, “let’s run away to Marseille together,” and then, “me and you can never be together”
Idk really
i was actually hoping to see them catch up to ashlee and whatever she transformed into. seemed a weird place to leave her.
theres no fucking way a mute girl is your favorite when there are characters like homelander, SB, butcher, or one of the seven/boys etc
Kimiko**
No one else got chills when Kimiko finally spoke?
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@@VickyCruz last ep
Starlight being mad at Hughey for doing exactly what she did was initially revolting, but then thinking of what she's gone through... it's actually a great portrayal of insecurity and vulnerability. She's not thinking rationally, she's being a normal person who is hurt. I hated that initially, but I love it now.
I know right. I think something else people are overlooking is the fact they didn't drag out her anger either. It came and went relatively fast.
I still hate it considering she never apologizes to Hughie for putting the blame on him. I’m okay with characters making mistakes, but she never acknowledges that she was wrong. She just makes a half-hearted joke about it and thats it
Now learn to apply that to real people you encounter
Starlight feeling angry is understandable what is NOT understandable is why hughie doesn't stand up for himself. Instead, he just apologizes to her which makes no sense
I think the problem here is that the narrative framing it in a way that favors her more than hughie. It's fine if they make Starlight hurt hughie, she is human, she makes mistakes. It's just that it feels like they downplay her mistake sorta. Because jeezus that was a scummy thing to say regardless if you yourself is a victim too or not.
kimiko be like🗣️🗣️
NOBODY ASKED MY CONTENT IS WAY BETTER... 🔥🔥
YFGA IS WAY BETTER THAN (TH-camR)...
NOBODY ASKED MY CONTENT IS WAY BETTER... 🔥🔥
YFGA IS WAY BETTER THAN (TH-camR)...
Man that scene was so sad man
That final scene was fucking cinema
@@aywun5782 and it was playing the best Nirvana song too 🔥
Im just happy that we got a Bobby Singer "Balls" and "Idjit".
Putting a Supernatural reference in The Boys is crazy…
Why is penguin so bad at reviews he said he didn't feel like butcher dying was portrayed well
Absolute nonsense
My Leo pointing at the screen moment 4 sure 😂
Homelander killing thẻ scientists was gold
Dude i didnt think homelandet could get more sociopathic
Missed the R buddy, but ya almost got it
NOBODY ASKED MY CONTENT IS WAY BETTER... 🔥🔥
YFGA IS WAY BETTER THAN (TH-camR)...
NOBODY ASKED MY CONTENT IS WAY BETTER... 🔥🔥
YFGA IS WAY BETTER THAN (TH-camR)...
@@xaf943bro didn’t even fill out the template
parnets
"oi hughie, 'omelander just killed me wife and knicked bloody son. womp womp"
starlight: 🗿
🤖🤖🤖
what?
She had a pretty decent performance this season, especially with the double stuff. But, MAN, did her choice regarding her appearance get really distracting this season.
@@QuicklyFreeze she got a stronger jawline between season 3 and season 4
my god she's ugly makes me like actually sad
On a train's redemption arc, I thought that every time he was on screen he was just fun to watch. I was invested in his story the whole time.
Also, rest in peace Chance Perdomo, he carried Gen V and I'm not sure where they'll go without him.
holy shit this is the first time im hearing of this that he died. Just finished the show recently, he was one of my fav characters. fuck. that actaully sucks. great actor/guy.
@@shaykleinman7117 He died on my birthday.. I was so sad, loved Gen V and Andre was one of my favorites :(
ANDRE IS DEAD?!?! NO! RIP to one of the best characters in Gen V.
A-Train was so boring. It has been shown that his greatest ambition is to sit on the porch drinking beer with his brother. Not to mention he actually killed lot of people for nothing
@@glara-i4sWhat a pathetic troll attempt
the last 2 episodes of season 4 are incredible and possibly even my favourite of the show. They went for a very unique approach this season and it was very very good despite not being as fun as other seasons for the most part.
A-train got a Zuko level redemption arc and I loved it
i dunno his Redemption felt forced. it was honestly crazy they trusted him for starters, Last time they did she ratted out to Homelander and got Supersonic killed.
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@@AlanJ1993 I dunno the stuff with his own family and wanting to do right by them in previous seasons made it feel logical to me, the only people left in the seven are the actual psychopaths
Even as someone who doesn’t like the avatar that much i know you are coping 😂
It was good but chill out there buddy.
They really tried to gaslight us into thinking Frenchie and Kimiko were always like brother and sister
Collin was so unnecessary
Agree totally on the lack of danger this season, they even went so far as to bring up that Homelander has super smell and hearing just like tech knight or whatever the bdsm supe was called, but then how many people break into his room and steal stuff and he never seems to notice? Or even do something literally in the same building as him (Including GUNSHOTS UPSTAIRS IN THE SAME HOUSE) and he still doesn't notice? In season one he could find anyone in the same city as himself as long as they weren't in some isolation chamber with zinc or whatever mcguffin blocks his super senses
homelander says tek knight is weaker than him so i think tek knights powers are not to homelander’s scale
I’m really excited to see the introduction of the characters from Gen V into The Boys with the cliffhanger. Next seasons gonna be really interesting how they tie in the two shows
I'm so happy it picked up towards the end of the season. The way it was going at the start was the worst the series had ever been.
I really do believe this is why they released 3 episodes off rip. It wasn't until episode 4 that it didn't feel like plot set up.
It picked up in episode 4
rewatch the show
Feels like the Boys would benefit from being a season shorter. By forcing itself to be 5 seasons, it has caused lots of issues with the plot.
@@theimpersonator7086 I think it was necessary to set up season 5. With just having season 3 and going to the final season I feel like it would feel rushed considering how season 4 ended and how the boys position has changed so much.
Just finished the season, damn that’s crazy
it was such a crazy finale
It wasnt very good
@@meatsauce12 This season was a bit weaker than the other seasons to me so I lowered my expectations for the finale, but it was pretty good. Can't wait for season 5
Yeah that ending was so sudden, everyone was checkmated but butcher. Lucky he got the virus when he did, now he is a huge threat to every supe on the planet.
NOBODY ASKED MY CONTENT IS WAY BETTER... 🔥🔥
YFGA IS WAY BETTER THAN (TH-camR)...
The whole season could have taken place in 3 episodes and used the rest of the season to explore those changes
That episode where Homelander returns to the lab is maybe my favorite episode of the whole show
"Your life is in your hands now, literally."
This episode and the finale carried the whole season
@@em4six348 yes, the rest could have been squashed in like only 3 episodes
That and the farm episode went so hard
As a New Zealander, it's so amazing to see how far Antony Starr has come as an actor. As a young teenager, i first watched him on a New Zealand tv Show called outrageous fortune in which he played twin brothers, one brother being a successful lawyer and the other being a stoner with many flaws but still quite a lovable character. Two twin brothers with complete opposite personalities, coming from a dysfunctional family and often confiicting with each other but Antony played the role of both so amazingly well. After that show, he kind of disappeared for a while, I imagine because would have barely been recognised at all overseas whatsoever. After years of not seeing him on screen, he these plays a role as the main character on a us tv show called banshee which in my opinion is a very good show and is not nearly as popular as it should be. And then Next comes homelander. Honestly they couldn't have picked a better actor to play this role. I knew he was a good actor but this role truly made me appreciate his skills as an actor. Karl urban (butcher) is a great New Zealand actor too but Antony steals the spotlight when he's on screen no matter who he's next to. Wish homelander had a little bit more sceeen time because when he's on is when the show is most entertaining for me. If anyone is reading this, you can probably tell I'm a big fan of his 🤣🤣
I watched Banshee and didn't even realize it was Antony. I guess because he looks smaller in Banshee. I enjoyed that show quite a lot. The nudity was next level.
True
CAPTAIN MUNTER
I didn’t know he was from New Zealand. Your country is beautiful, bro. It and Japan are at the top of my travel bucket list.
You think a Robyn Malcom cameo would be too much?
Starlight went from one of my favorite characters to being barely tolerable throughout seasons 3/4. Her powers have always been kind of lame, but that combined with her short-temperedness and intolerable attitude makes had me rooting for her demise. I actually laughed out loud when she yelled at Hughie for not being able to distinguish between her and an IDENTICAL lookalike who had access to ALL of her memories.
(Edit) Here’s some more context on my take: Seasons 1 and 2 introduced a likable girl who was determined to do good in the world and refute the status quo, and someone who was challenged with spiritual and moral confliction despite her best efforts to do what was right. We saw less of that in season three as her personality began to vanish out of thin air, giving us as an audience less and less to root for and less and less to like. Season four made it worse by giving her a bad attitude, and after she lost her temper (completely out of character btw) and beat up firecracker on live television. It all went downhill from there. Those who argue that it’s “character development” don’t really understand what good character development is. Good writing might temporarily change a character’s attitude for the worse, but still retains some aspect of their personality that keeps the audience attached to them. If it doesn’t do this, it gives the audience another reason to want to stay on their side. Starlight’s shift in character included none of this, and that is why so many people dislike her.
I feel you
Im not ready to putting her out of my favorite character list, I'm still in season 2😭
why do you think she's intolerable? honest question she's always been one of my least favorite characters and a bit lame but she's a very sweet girlfriend and how her and hughie have treated eachother and how they've overcome difficulties together has been pretty good so "barely tolerable" is crazy to me
@@esteban4284I think she was unfair to Hughie over the whole shapeshifter thing, but other than that I’ve never really hated her. I think a lot of people just hate on her for no reason
@@esteban4284 It's just one scene where she is rude to Hughie about having slept with the shapeshifter. Other than that, I thought she was fine
The deep was so god damn funny in this season
Sister Sage was surprisingly really good. The supes they introduce and normally kill are relatively lack luster, but firecracker and sister sage were a fun dichotomy
Really? Let’s have a character whose power is being the smartest person in the world! Oh and she’ll be a black woman too. How surprising. And let’s just say that everything happens is part of her grand plan. If you’re gonna have a super genius character, it helps to have a somewhat intelligent writer.
@@Gino565wow, it’s almost like the superhero’s powers play second fiddle to the character moments or something. We’ll have to fix this by having a whole episode of the deep showing how good a swimmer he is! Or how about an episode where firecracker uses her useless ass powers for more than a scene? In all seriousness though, the good parts about Sage aren’t about how she drives the plot forward, it’s her interactions with Homelander, Firecracker, and the Deep. She might not be like Reed Richards and shit out new tech that will “totally fix everything” every episode, but her social engineering does demonstrate enough intelligence that it’s conceivable she’s the smartest person alive.
I still REALLY LIKED THIS season but I feel like it was mostly just TWO THINGS:
1. Providing further characterization and emotional subtext for the main characters
2. Setting all the narrative pieces on the board for the season finale and the final season
Only the last episode set the stage for the next season. The rest are fillers