My ONLY complaint when it comes to these is that I wish Miles and Peter had a lot more scenes of banter, that’s it lol everything else is fire, I’m just greedy as shit
Ironically Mayday is safer with Peter because she has powers. Mayday being by herself is more dangerous because May couldn’t really stop her daughter is she wanted to leave. Even in the chase scene you can tell Peter isn’t seriously chasing Miles and isn’t in real danger with Mayday
Literally what I was thinking, she is stronger than the average child, she is much safer with Peter than she is with MJ. This whole argument is so idiotic, people just gotta have something they disagree with.
@@thekestrel9290they are all spider-man, they know how to get out of situations and how dangerous some places could be. it’s not rocket science to believe that a spider-man variant wouldn’t be smart asf and know a way out of that situation, especially if they’ve been in that location and universe as a whole for that long
dude what, uyr saying it was impossible for peter to just leave mayday with mj, there was absolutely nothing else that could happen bc peters life is dangerous?
@@KinoFlexReviewsit’s spider-man’s baby being used in comedic ways, if none of the other characters are treating him like an irresponsible father I’m pretty sure the intention is that he **isn’t an irresponsible father** and that Mayday climbing up walls with her webshooter is supposed to just be funny.
@@krysys9703but it's not funny, it's honestly unnecessary. And just makes Peter look like a bad person for putting his kid in danger. This isn't a comedy. They want us to take this movie seriously.
Peter B. Parker in Across was the literal next step for his character from into. His ENTIRE ARK in the first movie was learning to regain his confidence, learning to “take the leap of faith” in himself. Where Miles learned how to have confidence in himself to be a hero and be Spider-Man, Peter learned how to have confidence in being a father. To say that Across assassinated his character is so mind numbing and insulting, and misses the entire point of his Ark.
@@levievil9220 Him and miles had the exact opposite arc. Miles gain confidence in being Spider-Man, where as Peter learned to have confidence in BEING Peter, the guy behind the mask.
@@ninjanibba4259 how was he supposed to know there was gonna be a fight there for all he knows it’s one of the safest places that he knows of even then he has spider powers on top of his own daughter having the same powers combine that with paternal instincts and if anyone was gonna harm him and his kid he can easily dodge because he’s 616-b peter aka the one with the most experience when it comes to the powers even then when a variant vulture showed up he was in dodge mode while keeping his kid safe
My whole gripe about his video is that is all ran by "what if" scenarios, without the actual context to back up those what ifs. It's screaming into the void. Like i get where he's coming from, but the argument falls flat when there's no definitive proof how actually irresponsable Peter B. is.
Huh? This isn't a real life debate, how is he gonna find evidence in an animated story if it never happened? I think he's just arguing with writing opinions not factual evidence. It makes sense that a baby would be more vulnerable than an adult, it doesn't matter if they're a spider person.
Tf you mean it doesn't matter? My brother in Christ, Mayday is superhuman, plus, her dad has had his powers for years, he is literally one of the best people in the world to keep her safe. It makes no sense arguing like May is a normal baby. @@catholicfemininity2126
@@catholicfemininity2126opinions based on what ifs are then a bad take that should only really be used for comedy. But it’s pretty clear with sheev’s tone that he means these as a serious critique of Peter B’s portrayal in the movie. So it’s still worth debunking it if only to show the opinion doesn’t really stand under scrutiny.
I really think that Peter sometimes being irresponsible is in character. Peter is not perfect, he allowed to make a mistake and grow from it. Also, him being a happy father, is wholesome. He is not depressed anymore as he was in ITSV.
@@elmaionesosexo And I think that this partially makes ATSV conversations a bit annoying, because on most aspects of the movie when talking about them we need to put a little asterisk that says "well, BTSV might do this or that about this specific thing".
Why was he assuming the other spider people would trample on a person holding a baby.... like im pretty sure all of the spider people excluding maybe the trex would not want to harm a child like its hundreds of super heros who are probably not like microwave baby flashes
@@kwayneboy1524 it warns them of danger not babies lol. also its literally a fuck ton of ppl frantically chasing someone, why are ppl acting dense on purpose
Why is the assumption that Peter brought May to talk to Miles when nobody knew that Miles was going to go AWOL (except maybe Hobbie)? Isn't it more reasonable to assume that Peter wanted Miles to meet his newborn child for the first time, and as the situation escalated he made a judgement call to try and help Miles as he might miss the chance if he returns May to his dimension and most definitely can't leave her alone. It is irresponsible, but are characters not allowed to make mistakes or have flaws?
Ok how is it really Peter’s fault if he brought his kid there? How was he supposed to know something like this would go down in a place with other Spider-Men who are heroes just like him?!?!
@@TulpechaidoplaysMCThere is no reason to assume the villains will escape, considering how secure it is, and even if they do, there are hundreds of spider men that can fight them while Peter takes Mayday home
I mean it is a dumb idea that the parent would constantly bringing a child into fights with superpowered beings. It isn’t about being perfect, it is about not putting your kid in fatal danger.
@@TulpechaidoplaysMC that's true but I was referring to ghost rider spider man who was considered a beloved hero who had the perfect life until he revealed he'd been killing and stealing spider men's powers
Peter doing Spider-man things with Mayday with him as well as giving her a web-shooter would make sense in terms of his parenting. Given she was born with spider-powers, it is very likely that she would choose to become a super-hero in the future, so familiarizing her with the dangers at an early age gives her more experience and skills than Peter ever had when he started which would protect her in the long run.
Accidents do happen? He shouldn't have brought the baby. When he takes mayday with him at the end of the film, Gwen knows that miles is on earth 42. The earth that doesn't have a spider-man? None of them know how safe/dangerous earth 42 is, yet Pete still brings his infant daughter beacuse he's confident he and the others can protect her? This sounds like over confidence on Peter's part. Even if he wants his daughter to grow up like Miles? Maybe wait til she's able to formuate a sentence before on the job training. Peter can't account for every variable and it's safer to leave the baby at home. It's more of a completely avoidable risk (no matter how harsh or slight) than a leap of faith. Peter could have simply had the heart to heart with miles and showed him the baby photos, with the scene playing out exactly the same. It was comic relief that could've been handle better. Didn't ruin the character for me, but the questions it raised were pretty irksome and unnecessary.
He literally kept telling Miguel to go easy on Miles. He also calls him out by saying this isn’t what they talked about. What more is needed? Should he have tried to singlehandedly fight Spider Society?
The fact that he doesn't makes the movie more interesting, it also makes sense for his character as even tho he loves Miles he's not the type person to just instantly stand up to Miguel. I wouldn't be surprised if he can't stand up to him till the end of the next movie.
So I'm only about 15 minutes into the video, but the easiest answer to everything so far is spidersense. Anything threatening mayday would 100% trigger his senses and those same senses that would have been passed down to mayday also instinctively keep her out of harms way. Spidersense is the primary reason peter can swing without needing to do a shit ton of math every time he shoots a web and that would also apply to mayday.
The thing is Spider-Sense almost seems turned off. Shouldn’t Peter have been aware of Miles webbing him up after Miguel tracked his location? Why are other Spider-people treated like jokes when they should at least have the same baseline of skills, abilities and experience as Miles? The entire point is it was totally irresponsible of Peter to bring Mayday especially during the chase. And he could’ve dropped her off since he literally has the watch that allows him to travel to different universes.
@@howdoichangemyusername9802 This video we're commenting on has a rebuddle for the dropping her off argument, so I won't parote his words, but spidersense triggers when Peter/those immediate around are in danger. At no point did he feel/was he in danger from Miles. It's likely miles didn't even trigger the response, or Peter allowed himself to get webbed up. Spidersense is naturally inclined towards defense, so Miles was benefitting from it as he felt every other spider in the facility was trying to stop him from saving his dad. He would have been in high gear dodging, while all the other spiders needed to run the offense. Spidersense gives basically no real advantages to offense
@@jamesrosengrant8675 outside of the video itself, even if Spider-Sense is more naturally inclined to defense, wouldn’t it still be effective for offense?In its most basic form, it essentially tells Spider-Man what move the enemy will make and how. That can still be used offensively. Like during the sequence between Patrick O’Hara and Miles, shouldn’t Patrick’s spider-sense have alerted him to the fact Miles would cheat and would draw earlier than need be?
@@howdoichangemyusername9802 idk if O'Hara has a spidersense or not. I never read his sorce material. But the easy answer to the question is that was for a gag. Unfortunately, the movie is about mile first getting to, then escaping from the spider society. So that means miles needs to be able to outrun everyone else. I could probably keep giving excuses for the spidersense, but that would mean I'm spending more time/effort trying to fix a plot hole than the creators spent making it in the first place That kinda reminds me of a Stan Lee quote. It was something along the lines of the character that would win in a fight was whoever the writer needed to have won
@@jamesrosengrant8675actually yeah miguel doesnt have spidersense he just has super enhanced vision that's pretty much 360° vision which is why his suit doesnt have eyes its because he needs his vision to be slightly worse so that he can focus on whatever he's fighting instead of being aware of everything else
Why is he ragging on Peter and not JESSICA who is out here doing spider shit while PREGNANT??? At least with Mayday you could argue he has the OPTION to leave her somewhere safe if necessary, but what is SPIDER-WOMAN'S excuse?!
At the very least jessica was not a previously established character so its not damaging to her character to have her be chronically irresponsible. That said it's still bad
dude, he does. what even gave u the thought that he wouldnt, maaybe u just created an argument in your head that doesnt actually apply? and ur acting bewildered and confused like its insane that he hasnt thought of this but all u had to do was not be purposefully obtuse to see that he did. also this is the definition of whataboutism, how does this thing make what peter did better in any way? it doesnt, so why even mention it?
@@bigjawline9235 Uh, unless I missed it, it wasn't included in this video? Because this is the first time I've seen any parts of the other guy's video, and I'm not gonna actually watch his shit video? I'm not saying it makes what Peter did better, it was still pretty stupid to take risks like that regardless, but Jess is still infinitely worse because while Peter has the option to leave Mayday someplace safe and avoid her getting hurt, she doesn't because if she gets hit there's a very good chance her unborn child does too.
@@duckchen2676 are they? If I dreamed that I robbed a bank, should I turn myself into the police? What ifs are basically thoughts, and thoughts have a lot of subjectivity and biases that can make them unrelaible. We can't really determine anything with what ifs. With that line of thinking, racism would get a lot of innocent minorities arrested.
@@channel45853 I mean no not that what if obviously, its about context of what you are responsible for. Let's say instead you are a security guard at that bank and you wave your gun around at suspicious people to intimidate people and make them scared to rob the bank. Even if you have 0 intention of shooting it, what if it misfires? You are being an irresponsible gun owner/security in that situation.
@@duckchen2676well in this context you are aiming the gun to the ground, so the chances it misfires AND the bullet somehow ricochets and hits someone is extremely low.
Peter Parker practically has a story every week to month bruh..... like sometimes he needs a break from being iconic. Let him casually fumble without it meaning a great deal for his character, there are many other stories going on in Spider-verse besides him.
So we (as an audience and people with critical thinking) are just supposed to let endangering his daughter's life for no real reason slide just cuz of Multiverse? Sheev have even introduced alternative options that he could use. And bringing Mayday on massive battle with Amped Spot and Spider Society is not a great idea in any way.
18:42 Colin dude, he's not saying Peter shouldn't want his daughter to follow his footsteps, he's saying he shouldn't be motivating her this early into her life. She's a BABY. You're ignoring Sheev's last couple seconds of that argument. Peter just has to WAIT. Would it be responsible for a father to give a baby a bicycle when they're not even old enough to reach the pedals? It's like you just have to disagree with someone who criticizes a movie you like. I thought it was obvious that giving dangerous tools to a baby is irresponsible
People forget how OP spider sense is. And it's Mayday. Every second generation mutate are magnitudes more prepared for issues then there parents. Like Franklin, Valaira, Nathan Summers, and aw, yeah Mayday Parker.
@@AdamDj-ic3kr they count as Mutates. Their X genes didn't activate like mutant but because of outside triggers. All marvel humans have an x gene thanks to the Celestials.
@@crimson60620Peter Parker, Miles morales, gwen stacy,e.t.c are mutates because they got their powers not from birth but from a external source while for mayday logically, she should be a mutant because she was born with the powers and I don't think that her father being a mutate automatically means she is one as well.
If anything, Miguel himself is the original anomaly by placing himself in a dimension where the him there died. I believe we have a word for that, now what was it….? Oh yeah, hypocrite
It drives me kind of crazy that people nowadays just kind of refuse to meet movies on their own terms. I feel like ever since CinemaSins, there’s been this need to make everything in a story make perfect logical sense otherwise it’s a mistake. Yes, in the real world taking your daughter on a high speed chase is irresponsible, but this is an animated movie about hundreds of different versions of a guy with the powers of a spider. As long as a story doesn’t contradict its own logic, it’s fine, it doesn’t need to fit perfectly into the rules of the real world. People need to just chill and let movies do their thing; it’s not real life, it’s escapism, let it be escapism.
@@amusedapple4933 He did tho mostly He agknowledged the fact that their are different kind off physics in the spiderverse but he also apllied the movie's logic for example deducing that most spiderman the train would die since the movie portrays that fact look I am not gonna say Sheev's vid is "good" but I don't like misinformation.
Honestly hard agree, this video had posed great rebuttals and points that previously challenged my thoughts I had when watching the video he was responding but the aggressively arrogant and condescending tone made this overbearing-ingly un-pleasant to watch at times and would have been a more effective and enjoyable to experience to watch with the lack of that manner and tone present throughout the video.
@@theartisticpaperbag6247 yea idk i wouldnt be as critical of it if it didnt seem like someone criticizing spiderman is enough for him to defend him no matter what it is
Honestly, I agree with the guy about certain things. I too was extremely disappointed with how Peter B was portrayed, especially during the train scene and what came afterwards. I don't belive Peter would just stand by and scream "Miguel, we've talked about this" while Miguel is beating Miles and then keep trying to give Miles his baby to hold after he just found out that his dad is going to die. Also, I don't believe Peter would turn pragmatic and join Miguel. "Without Uncle Ben none of us would be here" is not a sentence I should be hearing from him, at least not in this context. What worked about Peter in the first movie was that he knew when to crack jokes and when to be serious. This Peter acts like he doesn't give a damn about Miles and Gwen just because he's a parent now.
I understand ur point, but you have your timeline backwards. Trying to get Miles to hold mayday was after the canon event conversation. It was after that that Peter yells “this isn’t what we talked about!” Miles leaves after that with Peter never getting another chance to try and calm things down with Mayday
I think your side relies a lot on Peter's confidence in Mayday's durability. Yea, she MIGHT be just as tanky as any other spiderperson, but does Peter KNOW that? If he hasn't tested that somehow, like dropping her from incrementally high ledges, then he is risking her taking some serious damage, especially as an infant. And for the ending scene where Peter picks up Mayday to go find Miles, if he DOES know where Miles is, then he knows the Prowler (a supervillain) is also there. If he doesn't know where Miles is, then any supervillain(s) could be there. I don't consider him having a squad to jump them with as making May any safer, arguably it makes her a larger vulnerability to target as she would be the weak link to focus on. And either way, even if he had 1000 of Miles friends to back him up why risk bringing Mayday there at all?
I don't think it's unreasonable to assume Mayday could've showcased her powers just by being a baby and Peter witnessed it. Like if she ripped apart her crib or something that's obviously and indication. Also I literally said in the video even if she did only have the durability of say a regular adult human in this video it would still be irrelevant due to how Peter is tackling the scenario Also how would Peter know that Miles is with Prowler? They could just know what Earth he is on. And the reason he brings Mayday at the end again could just fall onto him trying to use her to calm Miles down again because that worked last time. And once again he wants Mayday around the other spider-people and Miles. And for the villain thing I literally explained that in the video already, and how the fuck would Peter evading conflict and letting the other Spider-People with him handle that, make him more of a liability or make Mayday less safe? If Peter is keeping his distance from conflict, why/ how would a villain manage to chase him specifically down, when he has 8 other spider-people to deal with? Like wtf is that argument...
@@C0LIN. The first point sure there is room for the possibility that he was aware of her powers, but the movie SHOULD HAVE shown the audience why Peter was so confident in them. A short flashback or even a cutaway gag of the baby doing something strong would have sufficed. Otherwise at best it's ambiguous, at worst the viewers brain assumes a baby is in danger. And I'll say during the chase scene fine, since Spider-HQ is safe I can believe he wasn't irresponsible to trust his abilities to keep her out of danger. But bringing her into potential combat (the ending) there are just too many variables to account for. Whether he knew Prowler specifically was there wasn't really my point. What he would known is that there is no spiderman on the Earth Miles sent himself to, and the place is probably (and seemingly confirmed to be) teeming with supervillains because of that. To your 2 how/why questions: Why would a villain chase him down? The same reason any supervillain goes after the hero's loved ones, they are weaker and they can easily use them as leverage against the heroes. How would a villain chase him down? It may not be likely, but you can't account for all variables in that situation. Maybe there are multiple supervillains, maybe they can teleport/go invisible. I get why he brought the baby now but I still think the risk outweighs any possible benefit.
@@duckchen2676 1. The movie showing us her web swinging and using her power is literally showing us she's superhuman 2. We quite literally have no idea where Gwen's group is going at the end of the movie, so we don't know how much risk overweighs benefit. And having 8 SPIDER-PEOPLE there is a heavy risk mitigator...
@@C0LIN. the point about Peter taking Mayday to hunt down Miles being dumb is kinda valid I think. Assuming this is a world he's never been to, he has no idea what is on the other side of that portal. this is a multiverse meaning every possibility exists as its own world, he could encounter literally anything and would have no idea about it unless that universe has already been mapped out, I mean, you ever heard of Marvel zombies?
@@C0LIN. You're not vaild in this, even if Gwen knew where miles was exactly, it would still be dangerous to go into a unknown and most likely dangerous universe with a BABY, even if peter can protect her with a bunch of spider people.. why risk it? Rare Colin L
3:50 My dude, do you know how babies work? Yes there isn’t any evidence in the film that Mayday’s durability is less than Miles or any other spider person, but babies literally have to be less durable than any other human to actually be born, a baby (even one at Mayday’s age) is nowhere near as durable as a teenager or an adult How do you mess up something this simple?
Heres the short answer, it doesnt matter at all. I always felt that Peter bringing his kid was just a little joke. Im really confused why its such a big deal for someone like Sheev.
Right? What, narratively, would it add for Mayday to be in serious danger? By comparison, it'd take out a lot for Peter B to spend screentime managing baby logistics or Mayday not being there at all. So, take the minor logical quirk in the favor of the narrative moments they build towards.
@@evae1216 it would take less than 5 minutes for Peter to get Mayday home and come back for the chase. You know, something a responsible adult would do.
@@masido443"it would take less than 5 minutes" that's already too long miles was moving Peter would not have caught up if he went back to his dimension
Most of this could be summed up to its a just a silly gag like idk why he taking it so seriously when it’s clear the movie just wants to showcase Peter being happy
@@C0LIN.or, you know, he could just… leave her at home. Being Spider-Man doesn’t mean that he can’t have an accident, and it doesn’t mean leaving her at home wouldn’t be more responsible. You know, the WHOLE POINT OF SPIDER-MAN, RESPONSIBILITY?
@@oofiethetroll2059dude it’s not like Peter brings mayday to work all the time,like most parents want their kids to see what they’re work is like. And your right about being spider man dosen’t mean your kid can’t have an accident,but that same logic applies to a normal kid jumping on a trampoline,just because your a responsible parent doesn’t mean that there’s not a chance of your kid breaking his leg?
@@oofiethetroll2059 The only issue with Peter irresponsibility would be if the movie made light of/supported irresponsibility. Which they didn't. His Laissez-faire approach to parenting is in character, so is his degree of irresponsibility. Spiderman and responsibility is not what Batman is to vengeance. He doesn't obsess over it, he is responsible when you need to be. And in the scene we had he has shown all signs of responsibility. He held her and supervised her constantly. Stop drinking the cool aid In the hypothetical you propose Miles nor the audience meet Mayday, she would be home for like the entire movie. How fun, and impractical. Istg ya'll never consider what the alternative looks like.
@@MisterSlimee I prioritize character consistency over fun if the movie is a movie that wants to be taken seriously. I don’t have a problem with him bringing Mayday in the first place, but he should’ve brought her home after Miles made it clear he wasn’t going to stop. Having fun in a movie is fine, but the movie had plenty of fun without making a joke of child endangerment.
I deleted my original comment here, primarily because I supremely missed the point of both this video and the video from Sheev. At first I thought, “No, he’s not ooc, and him being irresponsible is a reflection of his character,” and though I still think that, I admit that addressing his parenting is a valid criticism. A lot of your video attempts to refute his irresponsibility, but the points in support of Peter’s parenting aren’t really the greatest. I’m not here to take a side, since I think both of you present some good and bad points. But I will say, a baby, regardless of how you try to spin it, is still a baby. Mayday might be at low risk for injury here, but the slight risk presented is potentially life-threatening. Yes, Peter is a skilled Spider-Man who’s surrounded by other Spider-People, but it’s pretty difficult to reconcile with the fact that if any of them slip up, Mayday’s life is in far greater danger than it would’ve been had she simply been left with MJ. At the same time, none of this is necessarily ooc for Peter. Him simply trusting his/other’s abilities, being optimistic about his child, and attempting to lighten the mood is in-character. In short, Peter isn’t perfect. Oh well 🤷♂️. It’s an interesting show of his character, and I love his interactions with others involving Mayday. And though I think this, I’m also completely ok with accepting that his parenting isn’t great. He can be both a questionable parent and a good character.
Forgot to include this in my last paragraph, but I meant to add that I see no need to be mad at Sheev for his points about Peter being irresponsible. No personal shade though, your video is really interesting, and I liked hearing the information you presented.
He provided valid critisim for Peter B parker in ATSV specifically.Just because he states his oppinion on something you like doen't make his points invalid. He still liked ATSV
I really don’t like the idea of Peter B Parker and Spider Woman going out There with babies and an advanced Pregnancy. I get it, they have super powers and that but come on, your work it’s fight super multiversal danger level villains, it’s kinda, irresponsable, dangerous and unnecessary, more when you think that Mayday… doesn’t even have more than… 3 years maybe and the other doesn’t even born. There’s like, a lot of other Spider People, a lot of them don’t look that busy or something, is not necessary you know, go to missions, if you are Pregnant or have to, take care of the baby. Even if my 6 Months son have, idk, Dr.Manhattan powers, I will never bring him to fight the… ah…¿Green Goblin from the NaCI dimension?, ¿You know what he can happen if I don’t look him for 5 seconds?
Peter isn’t bringing Mayday to Wakanda during Infinity War or anything like that, though?? He brought Mayday to a whole complex of Spider-people. The Spider Society chase was not at all supposed to happen. There’s that one offhand comment MJ makes about how Peter brought Mayday to “another fight,” but I highly doubt that’s meant to imply Peter brought his kid to a showdown with, like, Carnage, or Venom, or Green Goblin, or something insane like that. It was probably some thugs he beat up pretty quickly.
@@shinesparkss5193 Nothing but excuses. "At last he didn't bring her to the end of the multiverse." All it matters is he endangered her multiple times for no reason.
@@celestialsoldier622 I wasn’t saying “At least he didn’t,” I meant “It wasn’t supposed to be.” Though, yes, he could have brought her back to MJ, but he would have absolutely lost Miles- or at least he wouldn’t have found him like he did in the film.
@@kwayneboy1524You say that as if we can't have comedy and consistent characterization. Also, you used the argument "animation is silly". Really? Really now? Esoecially with the very seriously presented thenes the movie gives a lot of attention into.
Not gonna lie when someone starts powerscaling superhero stuff as a criticism I instantly stop taking them seriously, if you watch an entire movie with completely inconsistent.. everything (as it pertains to fighting and characters getting hurt) yet start nitpicking only one single instance of that inconsisntency you've lost the plot. People seriously need to realize that superheroes live and die by what's good for the story and what the writers want to convey, not by who should technically win or lose in accordance to powerscaling.
@@oj9690 If a story goes out of its way to describe in-universe logic, sure, but otherwise it's case-by-case. And even then, a lot of shonen battle anime for example could well do away with powerscaling horseshit as it usually just makes their stories themselves worse.
1:26 “Extremely irresponsible when it comes to how he parents Mayday” So we gonna ignore the fact they are in a society and place filled with spider people. Peter’s daughter has spider powers and Peter allowing his daughter to use them is in character, it definitely shows how comfortable and trusting he is in the society. It’s a safe environment where he is with individuals he trusts (Gwen and Hobbie for instance). The only time where the environment isn’t safe is when Miles escaped and he had the whole society chasing him. However if you notice what Peter does in that sequence is make sure his daughter is okay constantly. The only irresponsible thing I see him doing is at the end of the movie where he joins Gwen to go save Miles, and brings his daughter with him. However you could make the same argument again that he is around individuals he trust.
What I've gathered from this is essentially "It's fine that Peter brought mayday even though it's face first irresponsible alone because she has powers and they can equate to other Spider-Characters even though she's a toddler" and "Yeah Peter was obnoxious not taking anything seriously, but he was trying to lighten the mood, and ease tension so it's okay" If I'm misrepresenting those points, not my intent. I don't think Peter was ruined but I DO understand where dude in the video is coming from with those points. I can see how one would be annoyed that he didn't take things MORE seriously than he did. However the way Peter was written overall still had a sense of proper follow up in my opinion, but those criticisms aren't completely invalid. If one were making really annoying corny remarks in the midst of a serious group discussion, I'm confident the group would look at that person wanting to punch them in the face. Again, it may fit Peter's character, but it's still MAD annoying when you have that ONE guy in the group who RARELY takes shit for real and always feels the need to say something silly at the worst time. Also, I don't think it takes much to recognize that it would be significantly more responsible from a parenting perspective to simply leave mayday at home with mary jane, sure Peter's lowering chances of her catching harm, but it really doesn't justify the act within itself. Nor does the whole "He has mayday there to help calm down Miles" thing work, cuz if u told someone u straight up USED ur kid in a dangerous situation, they'd have more than enough reason to give u a really bad look.
I’m not saying it can’t be annoying for someone to make jokes when ur trying to be serious and I’m not saying leaving her at home wouldn’t keep her as safe as possible. I’m saying the way the criticisms are framed make it out to seem worse then they actually are given the context of the movie. Him bringing Mayday around to try and calm ppl down does justify things given the context of the movie. I think I made that pretty clear in the video
Off topic but am I the only guy who thinks it's strangely weird that people are fine with child sidekicks like Robin or heroes training teens to fight crime and dodge assault rifle fire in fiction but when a baby is brought into the mix it's too far?
@@C0LIN. Yeah but that's the thing, the context doesn't really help. At the end of the day, the claim is still there that the parenting is irresponsible, the movie acknowledges this and doesn't even try to justify it. It's still not a great act, but it's something u can forgive for the movies sake, not justify.
@@kitanasfans2328 The context literally does help, if you say "This guy was speeding in a car when he had people with him" that's a statement that doesn't have context. But if you add the context of "Well he was on an open road with no cars around and he's very good at driving" then it makes the situation look worse than previously framed. In the case of Peter B I explained why Sheev is making things sound worse than they actually are And I also tackled the point of the movie making a joke out of it... If someone says "I really shouldn't let you eat all this candy" that parent is technically being irresponsible for letting their child eat a little too much junk food, but they aren't really that irresponsible...
@@C0LIN. But those "contexts" can just be used as an excuse to make a flimsy counterpoint if u ask me. This is something I noticed people do when there's criticisms towards the new Spider-Man game and how certain events played out in cutscenes. For instance if Kenny robbed a bank and held multiple people hostage at gunpoint and shot someone gravely injuring them and you added the context of "Well Kenny lost his job, no one's looking at his applications, and his rents due and he has no money and is gonna be homeless" sure, that's worth adding in, but it doesn't CHANGE the fact that Kenny still robbed a bank, held multiple people hostage and shot someone. Again, this ain't to say that peters a BAD parent, like I said we can all easily forgive this, but I don't think it takes away from the point made in reality. Especially when there were MANY dangers to Peters kid in this instance. I really wanna nail home that this doesn't ultimately harm the movie, nor Peter's character. It's just a thing where the complaint isn't entirely invalid, but still forgivable.
I like the idea of Peter being happy, but he doesn't take things seriously and acts like he doesn't care he doesn't feel like the same person. He wasn't stupid in the 1st movie, nor a pushover, but the sequal makes it seem like he's a joke who puts his daughter in danger, though I agree that he can't just tie her up and leave her at home with no one to watch her. Unless MJ works from home.
To be honest, I agree with the other guy on this one. I found Peter bringing his baby to a battle zone to be immersion breaking. Also him always having his baby took the tension away from any scene he was in, because obviously nothing bad is going to happen to the guy with a baby. I would have liked if he just didn't bring his baby with him at all, personally i see nothing wrong with just leaving the baby with MJ. Sure Peter might have the capability of protecting her against most threats, but why put her in a dangerous situation to start with? Your main point is that nothing happened to her so it's fine, but the only reason nothing happened to her is because she's a baby with plot armor. Logically speaking he should return home with her, or leave her with someone else in a safe environment.
I find it strange how they couldn't let MJ take care of the baby, it feels Like they couldn't have a woman do that, so they made Peter b. Parker Do that.
@@elongatedmanforever1252 That is reaching heavily. What kind of assumption is that? "They couldn't have a woman watch her own baby." If anything, these movies prove just how capable women are, so to make that argument is completely ignorant. I can see why you think bringing the baby is irresponsible, but that honestly has to be the worst take on this subject I've heard so far.
Mayday serves as a plot device, she serves a purpose. To subtract her from this film on the basis of "safety" completely disregards the fact that this is an animated movie and being fiction, can maneuver the plot in any way it sees fit, so long as it's cohesive. You said it yourself, she has plot armor because obviously, nothing's going to happen to the guy with a baby. To make this claim while also trying to make the argument that bringing her along was a bad idea doesn't make sense. Also, Peter B.'s scenes are supposed to have tension, that's literally the point, he serves as a sense of comic relief, a lackadaisical character as Spider-Man is often shown to be.
@@bartizzle Why though?? It's just dumb having Grown adults take their children to a place where they could be hurt abducted by a supervillain or lost in another dimension.
@@elongatedmanforever1252 I know, as I said, I could see where you were coming from. But to say that the reason Peter B. had Mayday was because they didn't believe that a woman (MJ) could do it is completely unfounded.
The Spiderverse community needs to learn to handle criticism. His not back seat parenting shit, he layed out valid points on how Peter B parker is being an irresponsible parent (which he is btw).
@@spiderman-2416His points aren’t valid they’re delusional. Mayday is a super powered baby stronger than me and you, using real world logic is disingenuous. These are meta humans traveling dimensions.
@@Treck533 Fair enough, the movies do have cartoon physics, but even you have to admit taking Mayday on the space elevator was abit stupid, like seriously, Peter is holding on for dear life on the train that again was heading for the Moon! he's own life was in danger not just mayday.
@@Treck533 spider people still can get hurt or injured, just takes more than normal people. Mayday might be mor durable than normal baby but she's definitely not on the level of Peter, Miles, Gwen and others. During the movie she was in various dangerous situations even for adult spider people. I wouldn't say that Peter is a "bad parent" but he's too overconfident in what he can and can't protect Mayday from. Plus, he really should look more serious considering the gravity of "canon events" (since he saw one unfold right before his eyes) and pushing Mayday in Miguel's face is quite rude.
I mean the guy in the video is over doing it but he’s not wrong in expressing how dumb it is for Peter to bring Mayday. It’s actually down right stupid to bring a baby to the spider society, he’s not 12 he’s an adult. Peter B is kinda an idiot and it is an animated movie so we can allow ridiculous decisions for the sake of a few laughs, but yeah it is dumb af. But this movie doesn’t take Peter B seriously anyway so it is what it is.
@@Santiago.V7 Considering in the Marvel universe there are threats every single week…. How do you think it is safe to bring a kid to a place that could be a potential target by every villain known to man… Do you think it’s safe to bring a baby to a military base just because it’s full of army generals and soldiers? You know there are universal threats every week in Marvel. So why bring your kid to a place that is more than likely a target.
@MkayM254 bro, the Spider-society is not a target place. You are just making shit up. The movie didn't said that the Spider-society is a target place or made it look like a targeted place. You are just making shit up
@@Santiago.V7 I misspoke earlier. I meant “potential target” So you don’t think a place with all the spidermen in existence could be a potential target for villains….
@MkayM254 No, do you think the villains are that dumb to try to attack a place with multiple versions of the guy that can beat them all by himself? Because spider-man 2099 probably can beat the sinister 6 alone, plus the Spider-society has really advanced technology that they could use to take down the villains easily
putting ur baby at risk of getting severely hurt is irresponsible who cares if she has powers if there’s a chance of her dying why bring her. “She has powers peter will protect her” okay but why put ur baby in such a dangerous situation in the first place potentially calming miles down isn’t a good enough reason by the end of the movie
2:00 wouldn't say those comparisons completely work considering a web shooter is closer to a weapon. Also how did you come to the conclusion he was saying peter didn't care about miles and gwens safety because they aren't his kids? Clearly not what he said
@@Mv3p Eh, not sure if that's how spider-powers work in the Spider-vetse movies. And if that's the case, I'll assume that she'll be more powerful than other Spider-people at best once she becomes a teenager, not as a toddler.
This comment is before I watch the full video. I would like to say I can see why some people say that Sony ruined Peter b Parker like for a lot of people they really like him mostly because he’s very pathetic or defeated. Does that go into the next movie to see that he is absolutely happy he got back with MJ and they seemingly are happily married. He has a child and he’s constantly showing her around and he just has a robe on and not looking like Spider-Man. I wouldn’t say he’s weak because he hasn’t really displayed anything of his power level in the movie and I guess he still maintains the mentor role But again, I could sit there and see like why people feel that way about this I’ll probably come back and finish my thoughts after watching the video completely
I personally believe that Miguel's universe collapsed because he didimt belong there and he was there foelr too long. It wasnt his dimension so him being there broke it. Regardless of the fact he "replaced" doppelganger the universe know he wasnt the original.
Wow,I made the right call when I decided not to watch his video when they first showed up in my recommendations His points are so stupid, they straight up started infuriating me lmfao Peter never imagined that it would turn into a full on chase, he litterally implies that he never wanted it to turn out like this And is bro high or something?just cuz mj said he's bought her to work before doesn't mean he went to fight fricking sandman or something with her, the implication there is that he has bought her to the spider society before,not to fight villains And the spider society is litterally one of the safest point in the multiverse And he acts all high and mighty about how bad Peter is at parenting And then suggests leaving her with a hologram teenager or straight up webbing her up, WEBBING HER UP, does he not realise how bad of an idea it is,to web up a god damn baby Using webs that can stop splitting ships, Falling towers, helicopters and trains It can cause so many problems And if it's all fine for her,then what danger is there in the spider society that she can't survive? Also,he actively ignores the existence of spider sense Bro's the kinda guy to say that Clark is irresponsible for bringing Jon to fight some thugs
What makes you think people don't lol SO MANY PEOPLE criticize batman for taking kids to his crime fighting missions. You did not cook with this point.
So, Sheev Talks made no sense to you,........because Mayday was cute? Something doesn't make sense in your argument. And by something, I mean everything.
@@TevyaSmolka Well, you certainly did an even more garbage job explaining why you think that. Also, next time, use arguments instead of going "it's just garbage" when someone questiojs your point.
2:09 there are actually a lot of warnings and issues that come with trampolines and many kids have actually sustained severe injuries and insurance companies and doctors both find them very dangerous. Like I get what ur saying but also like trampolines are absolutely very dangerous to children, especially unsupervised, especially under the age of 10
I thought a parent putting their child at risk no matter how minimal was irresponsible. It doesn't matter how safe Peter B. is taking it, he's putting his child at risk. This argument is dumb, Peter B., did something irresponsible with his kid, he was lucky nothing bad happened, but you can't justify the irresponsibility because nothing bad happened.
I think for a man to act this way with his kid after reemerging from a midlife crisis is one of the most normal things in the entire movie xD. He's just happy to have regained his passion in life.
I hate that the spectacular Spider-Man agrees that miles dad needs to die. Josh Keaton, the VA, and the creator disagree with that and i also think that it is stupid that spectacular agrees with that because that is the most out of character thing that version of Spider-Man / Peter Parker
Creators can be wrong about their own writing, if the creator of Batman came out saying he’s supposed to be a pedo, I don’t care what the creator says. I care about what’s actually consistent with the character. And Spectacular wouldn’t let an entire universe die to save 1 person, when he has no proof to disprove Miguel’s theory… I’d also recommend watching SKs video on the movie as he explains everything in more detail
This is seriously a question you asked in the video? Is it OK for firefighters police officers, etc. to bring the child to work? LMFAO no I don’t think so especially depending on the job. I don’t think you can. That’s like a cop telling his son, you’re gonna ride in the squad car with me today, which is basically putting him in danger because anything can happen when you’re on duty Otherwise, we would have bring your child to workday instead of bring your parent to school day. That’s showing off your parent and showing others that you wanna be like that when your older 😭 hold on now let’s say I have superpowers super like Mr. incredible. Does that mean it’s OK for me to take my child with me to work because I have superpowers 😂
That's not what I said, what I'm asking is, is it bad parenting for a cop to drive their kid to school in their squad car or to bring them into the police precinct, or a military officers to bring their family on base (which happens a lot irl and someone I know literally lives on a military base because his dad is in the army), or a firefighter to bring their kids to the fire station? Or is it bad that someone in one those professions, to bring their kid around/ talk about their work life. Which is the equivalent of Peter bringing Mayday around the Spider-HQ. I'm not saying people working in those professions should literally bring them on patrol, or into war, or into a burning house. However Peter bringing Mayday on the chase isn't really irresponsible or him being a bad parent, given the context of how he's tackling the situation that I LITERALLY WENT OVER IN THE VIDEO....
@@C0LIN. oh I see what you was trynna say but just because they both go superpowers and it isn’t that dangerous doesn’t mean he still should bring her everywhere I get that makes him happy but like in the fist one peter and all the spider peeps legit left miles because he wasn’t ready but can bring his child everywhere… I ain’t gonna reach that far but I just think it was annoying shoving mayday in err body face yfm I wish he would have had more heart to hearts with miles tbh overall valid points in the video 🫶🏽
Im 4 minutes in but I’ll have to turn this one off. It’s definitely a concern when taking this movie seriously that Peter gave her webshooters as she clearly isn’t ready. If this is going to be a lot of “source?” type responses to reasonable concerns I’m not very interested unfortunately One of the key things that makes this type of video good is how you counter someone’s argument, inviting them to prove their argument is not a quality response. The onus of proving why it’s unreasonable to give a toddler those TOOLS is not on the OG video maker, it’s on you to disprove it, as you indicating it isn’t is wildly more unreasonable a view prima facie than the opposite At the end of the day, while adults enjoy spiderman it’s still a light hearted kids film, so equally no one should be sitting here saying “the cartoon child with web shooters in a animated movie is a DISGRACE and I take it soooo seriously”. But that’s not your point, so I don’t agree with you
@@GPODante.2 his response to the very silly criticisms of the spiderman game let this type of format get in his mind as the content that gets the best views so he’s doing it to death it seems, and poorly too. It’s already old lol Don’t get me wrong, people can enjoy this content if they like
I think some of Sheevs points are actually correct in a way but i think the reason he is incorrect in calling peter a bad parent is beacuse we have never seen mayday before this. Like we all saw mayday as a cute baby then boom...massive chase scene. But i think if we saw their day to day life it could show mayday might be more capable than we know. She seems comfortable with climbing and swinging and being in the chase. So she probably does that alot at home, meanig peter would get a good grasp of what she is able to do
Let's not forget that Peter is grieving and ashamed that he has to allow Miguel to manhandle Miles but he's elated and even grinning that Miles shocks Miguel back and almost sending him and dozens of Spider-Men to plummet to death.
Ben may not be accurate but he’s definitely a wonderful jab at 90s Spidey comics. He’s so over the top and ridiculous just like that era was, it’s so funny
Dawg I was straight YELLING at my tv, cuz everything he says is completely brain dead cuz why tf would Peter Parker of all people not be able to save his daughter if she fell or protect her during a fight? Also (this is just my theory) I feel like Peter brought Mayday for himself so he could calm himself especially since he saw a whole universe die.
>why tf would Peter Parker of all people not be able to save his daughter if she fell or protect her during a fight? Have… have you seen the death of Gwen Staci?
@@radioraheem9820 I can imagine that Peter has dropped her from a small height and she probably didn't even really feel it, I mean she literally inherited the DNA of a Spider those mfers do not take fall damage.
@@TulpechaidoplaysMC Gwen was a human and Peter was also younger then not. Also also in certain situations Peters spider sense is heightened when put in tense situations so it’s not like he would be slow asl when it came to catching his own daughter.
I mean, Peter is being insanely irresponsible. Even just on the basis of giving her a web shooter and involving her in the chase at all, as per the trampoline example, you really *dont* put a baby on a trampoline, even if supervised, there's too many what ifs for any reasonable parent. But like, thats the entire point, its his leap of faith, and he has no clue what he's doing, being irresponsible is just a part of his character arc onwards
It's like if you give a baby a bottle of pills and now you have to watch them in case they go to eat one. Like, why the fuck would you give a baby even with powers, that level of power to either hurt themselves or run away. I don't get the comment of "but his watching her" and "You wouldn't allow your kid to use a pencil". If you put in her a crib without the shooter, she can't get out, give a shooter and she'll mess up the room and more likely hurt herself. And also yeah, we don't let toddlers use pencils? That's why crayons are made for? Even with a powerful baby, I'm pretty sure every parent is overprotective when it comes to there baby, so it's always come off as weird how little Peter seemed to put her in danger and not realize his the reason she is in danger. Hopefully in the next movie she says home as omfg if they both go, im gonna lose it
@@RoachDarringtonbecause Peter is clearly watching over Mayday to make she doesn’t get hurt. I don’t know what you want now. Plus she already powers to begin with, so you’re compression with pills doesn’t make any sense. And lastly, “I’m gonna to lose it” it’s a movie. Get over it
@@OGsubway why give your toddler a fork when you can just take it away? Why add needless danger to your kid like that? That's the whole critique. Why give your baby web shooters when she doesn't have the mental capacity to even walk? She's just gonna shoot away and Peter has to watch over her like a hawk or she can just fly away and hurt herself. When all Peter could do is just not give her shooters and not bring her along to his dangerous job. Also "It's a movie, get over it", so why do you care enough to try and counter my comments with things in the movie if it doesn't matter? It's just a movie 🍿
Yeah, Sheev is kinda reaching with this one. Though I understand feeling uneasy about a baby being near dangerous situations, her dad is literally spider-man lol
Imo, I think both of y’all bring up good points. However, the point about how “it’s like saying it’s irresponsible to let a normal kid play on a trampoline because they might get hurt,” it’s not. Because mayday is NOT a kid in that sense-she is a toddler. A kid would be someone who is old enough to actually know how a trampoline works
@@tjehuehe has enough of a buffer. Add in what Spider sense can do... Seriously with how busted it is? Between Peter and Mayday's she would be better off than any human
I understand he’s Spider-Man and he comes with all these powers. However, y’all have to understand that these characters aren’t that durable. Based on all the comics I’ve seen and all the movies I’ve seen I’ve come to a conclusion that these type of characters can still get hurt or potentially die in any way. And Spider-Man makes mistakes, sometimes mistakes he can’t get out of. And y’all act like Peter is made out of vibranium & he’s just perfect. What if something actually happened to his daughter?
Now that I think about it, I dont think Peter bringing his baby along is that big of a deal, I understand not wanting to bring your kid so a chaotic situation but these aren't normal kids, take Gohan for instance who was one of the core factors of beating raditz and was out here facing planetary threats at the age of 5 and still continues to do so even now as a full grown adult with his own family, I remember even Gohan's own daughter Pan who was also a baby fought an entire army of space enemies in DB Super, even Broly who was also a baby was out here surviving planet ending shit in the DBZ Broly movie and then went on to blow up a galaxy later on, I get not wanting to put your child in harms way but these are not normal children, I think even the baby from the Incredibles was able to f*ck up the main villain syndrome, even Harry Potter was able to kill Voldemort when he was a baby 🤷
18:59 Admiration for a parent figure is 100% different than safety. If Peter decided never to walk around with the baby without MJ again, just so she could make sure the baby is safe, I believe he’d still do everything in his power to save the people he can. If Mayday found her father’s deeds and sacrifices to be heroic and with imitating, that’s something about her character. If her character is a young child who dreams of being the person her dad is that’s fine. (That’s exactly what her character is supposed to be.)
@@kymehamehabeats9309 For real, everyone glances over the fact that they COULDN’T CATCH MILES. All of them working together couldn’t stop a 1-year of experience Spider-Man. Imagine if a Symbiote got loose or a Rhino variant.
I know it’s not very relevant to the topic but, What kinda bothered me is in this movie they said Miles’ Dad had to die when in the original Miles’ comic it was his Mom who died not his Dad. I think they got the idea of his Dad dying was from the Insomniac game.
@@kingj9664 I’m saying the inconsistency of the differences between the comics and the video game and the movie. In the original comics Miles Morales’ Mom dies, in the Insomniac video game his Dad dies and the way it sounds like in the Spider-Verse movie they are going with the Insomniac plot of his Dad dying instead of what happened in the original comics where Miles Morales first appears.
This goes to everyone who complained about Mayday being in the movie. She is in no danger, she isn’t going to die from y’all what ifs. Mayday father is with her literally at all times. Stop thinking she is in danger when the movie shows you plenty of times she isn’t and has an experienced Spider-Man father who protects her at all times.
I really don't understand this recent whinging about superhero children's safety. Its like bro, its a cartoony universe. Do these people complain about Batman bringing around Robin? The Incredibles having Jack Jack mask up against the Underminer? Also why exactly are teenagers exempt from this concern? Shouldn't Peter B have told Miles, the 14 year old, in the first movie to stop and go do his homework. After all, isnt that the responsible thing to do? It just seems so selective and stupid. Sometimes its okay to suspend your disbelief.
Exactly what I’m thinking why tf is it “mayday is a baby she could get hurt” meanwhile miles is still a kid, peni, gwen, pav, etc are teens but they have Spider-Man responsibilities? From the look of these arguments some of these spider people shouldn’t even be here in their logic hell even Toby maguire spider man was a teen so wtf is the argument? Say in the future Peter b dies in his universe while mayday is still a kid (15/17 we’ll say because that’s the age range around miles and other spider people) what’s she gonna do not fight crime? That’s kinda the point of these stories, all in all I find it completely ridiculous that a fictional character is getting backlash for bringing a baby somewhere it’s like they want him to make a irl public apology 😭. Now to get logical with the movie, Peter brought here there because 1. ITS THE SPIDER SOCIETY 2. Miles wasn’t supposed to be there 3. There is no point trying to think logically about a FICTIONAL MOVIE
The thing about this video is that while sheev says Peter is a bad parent for bringing mayday he never says anything about Jessica being pregnant and doing all of the things she does in the film
Sheev Talks makes a very good point, Peter acting irresponsibly with his won new born child is massivley out of character for him. I mean for goodness sake he brought his child to a Space elevator that was heading for the Moon!
@@C0LIN. I did watch your video to the end, and I agree with 90% of your counter-points aginast Sheev Talks "hypertheticals" of whether or not Mayday had "spider strength and durability". But I still think that Peter bringing Mayday on the space elevator thing was still irresponsible. And yes I understand that there are multiple spidermen there to mitigate the risk to Mayday but that won't matter while there on a train going who knows how fast to the Moon.
@@spiderman-2416 Colin explained this in the video. If they're literally about to be in space, they're jumping off. For all we as the audience know, they're 20 minutes away from the Moon at the time of the fight. They're not idiots, they know when it's time to book.
@@s.k.4289 Alright Fair enough, they did end up jumping off before they reached the Moon. I was just pointing out that bringing Mayday on the train was a bit, "Too risky", I had no problem with Peter bringing Mayday to the Spider HQ and all that, just the whole train thing. But anyways thanks for repsonding, maybe I also took the train thing alittle too seriously myself.
I understand that peter would obviously want his daughter to be safe BUT who he is fundamentally is "with great power comes great responsibility" Even if he'd want her to just be safe and away from his lifestyle, he would be the BIGGEST hypocrite if he didnt encourage her to be a hero
No offence, but you say we don't have context, then proceed to make your own context and use it. We don't know how strong she is, so you could be right, but you could also be wrong. Most of the video is you just assuming and believing your headcannon is right and theirs isn't. For example, you claim that he could have stopped a mugging because we don't have enough information, yet claim that must be it and ignore the possibility that he did bring her to a fight. I'm pretty sure that it's more likely that he brought her to a supervillain battle judging how MJ phrases it. But we don't know, so I can't use that alone as a example to debunk you
I'm taking the film in good faith and thinking of the best possible thing for the missing context, saying he took Mayday to fight some super villain is extremely bad faith. And MJ doesn't even sound that concerned about it, because she has trust that Peter won't put Mayday in a situation where Maydays life is highly in danger...
@@C0LIN. You can be extremely capable and trust worthy along with putting people in danger. She said it in a playful tone, but it also sounded like she told him not to do it anymore. The movie is good but the way some parents are shown are just stupid. You have a hero bringing his child into a chase with full confidence nothing will go wrong, when something could. Then you have his wife not giving a single fuck. Lastly, one of the hero's are pregnant yet are doing super hero Missons, putting not just herself, but her unborn child's safety at risk
My ONLY complaint when it comes to these is that I wish Miles and Peter had a lot more scenes of banter, that’s it lol everything else is fire, I’m just greedy as shit
Nah I agree 100 percent Miles and Peter was the best part of the first movie I hope they get more scenes fr
Same.
dw we all wanted this movie to never end
Hopefully in Beyond they’ll be more of a dynamic duo now that the two of them are on the same side and working together
@@bellslimesHopefully.
“This is bad it doesn’t make sense”
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Has responded is so bad don’t watch ok!!
Ironically Mayday is safer with Peter because she has powers. Mayday being by herself is more dangerous because May couldn’t really stop her daughter is she wanted to leave. Even in the chase scene you can tell Peter isn’t seriously chasing Miles and isn’t in real danger with Mayday
Literally what I was thinking, she is stronger than the average child, she is much safer with Peter than she is with MJ. This whole argument is so idiotic, people just gotta have something they disagree with.
Yeah he never puts her in real danger, especially when he's on the outside of a bullet train headed directly to space
@@thekestrel9290they are all spider-man, they know how to get out of situations and how dangerous some places could be. it’s not rocket science to believe that a spider-man variant wouldn’t be smart asf and know a way out of that situation, especially if they’ve been in that location and universe as a whole for that long
@@thekestrel9290 *even when he's
@@bellslimes also he's frigging peter parker
I just know that in the next movie Peter B Parker is going to kick some serious fucking ass.
And Mayday
@@elmaionesosexo nah
@@CamdenWalding yah
Some kangaskhan type shit
Idk he's kinda out of shape and a father now. Peter B might be washed
This just in being a superhero isn’t the safest parenting decision
Some could even say its kinda foolish for a superhero to even try to be a parent.
@@kwayneboy1524yeah but I personally believe superheroes deserve to have happiness
@@kwayneboy1524 Mr and Mrs Fantastic make it work
@@Silver_Spectreno lie their son is one of the strongest mutants so yea he is good
dude what, uyr saying it was impossible for peter to just leave mayday with mj, there was absolutely nothing else that could happen bc peters life is dangerous?
peter being happy is out of chracter now.
Not what’s being argued. Peter being irresponsible and willingly putting his loved ones in danger is out of character.
@@KinoFlexReviews Mayday isn’t in danger tho, Peter is constantly protecting her. Use your eyes and ears and watch/listen to the video
@@KinoFlexReviewsit’s spider-man’s baby being used in comedic ways, if none of the other characters are treating him like an irresponsible father I’m pretty sure the intention is that he **isn’t an irresponsible father** and that Mayday climbing up walls with her webshooter is supposed to just be funny.
@@krysys9703but it's not funny, it's honestly unnecessary. And just makes Peter look like a bad person for putting his kid in danger. This isn't a comedy. They want us to take this movie seriously.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lpit’s a cartoon she’s fine😂
Peter B. Parker in Across was the literal next step for his character from into.
His ENTIRE ARK in the first movie was learning to regain his confidence, learning to “take the leap of faith” in himself. Where Miles learned how to have confidence in himself to be a hero and be Spider-Man, Peter learned how to have confidence in being a father.
To say that Across assassinated his character is so mind numbing and insulting, and misses the entire point of his Ark.
Just shows that people believe he needs to be perfect instead of flawed.
Plus during the final few scenes Peter went like great now I wanna have a kid I just enjoyed that he was able to fix up his life
@@levievil9220 Him and miles had the exact opposite arc. Miles gain confidence in being Spider-Man, where as Peter learned to have confidence in BEING Peter, the guy behind the mask.
Can have all that and still keep the baby at home
@@ninjanibba4259 how was he supposed to know there was gonna be a fight there for all he knows it’s one of the safest places that he knows of even then he has spider powers on top of his own daughter having the same powers combine that with paternal instincts and if anyone was gonna harm him and his kid he can easily dodge because he’s 616-b peter aka the one with the most experience when it comes to the powers even then when a variant vulture showed up he was in dodge mode while keeping his kid safe
My whole gripe about his video is that is all ran by "what if" scenarios, without the actual context to back up those what ifs.
It's screaming into the void. Like i get where he's coming from, but the argument falls flat when there's no definitive proof how actually irresponsable Peter B. is.
Huh? This isn't a real life debate, how is he gonna find evidence in an animated story if it never happened? I think he's just arguing with writing opinions not factual evidence. It makes sense that a baby would be more vulnerable than an adult, it doesn't matter if they're a spider person.
Tf you mean it doesn't matter? My brother in Christ, Mayday is superhuman, plus, her dad has had his powers for years, he is literally one of the best people in the world to keep her safe. It makes no sense arguing like May is a normal baby. @@catholicfemininity2126
@@catholicfemininity2126opinions based on what ifs are then a bad take that should only really be used for comedy. But it’s pretty clear with sheev’s tone that he means these as a serious critique of Peter B’s portrayal in the movie. So it’s still worth debunking it if only to show the opinion doesn’t really stand under scrutiny.
I really think that Peter sometimes being irresponsible is in character.
Peter is not perfect, he allowed to make a mistake and grow from it. Also, him being a happy father, is wholesome. He is not depressed anymore as he was in ITSV.
The movie tho doesn't seem to acknowledge it as irresponsible.
Or rather it barely acknowledges it and treats as no biggie.
@@vaggos2003 To be fair, we've only seen the first half of this movie, we have to wait for the second movie to see what truly happens
@@elmaionesosexo And I think that this partially makes ATSV conversations a bit annoying, because on most aspects of the movie when talking about them we need to put a little asterisk that says "well, BTSV might do this or that about this specific thing".
@@vaggos2003 Spot on but oh well, some youtubers gotta eat this month
the problem is that it’s not being treated as a mistake, it’s being treated as some joke
Why was he assuming the other spider people would trample on a person holding a baby.... like im pretty sure all of the spider people excluding maybe the trex would not want to harm a child like its hundreds of super heros who are probably not like microwave baby flashes
Because they’re a mob and can’t see the baby.
@@KinoFlexReviewsdont they have like a power or something that can warn them if something like a baby is in their way?
@@kwayneboy1524 it warns them of danger not babies lol. also its literally a fuck ton of ppl frantically chasing someone, why are ppl acting dense on purpose
@@bigjawline9235 so it wouldn't warn them or her about the danger of trampling the baby? Plus doesn't she the spide sense
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Why is the assumption that Peter brought May to talk to Miles when nobody knew that Miles was going to go AWOL (except maybe Hobbie)? Isn't it more reasonable to assume that Peter wanted Miles to meet his newborn child for the first time, and as the situation escalated he made a judgement call to try and help Miles as he might miss the chance if he returns May to his dimension and most definitely can't leave her alone. It is irresponsible, but are characters not allowed to make mistakes or have flaws?
Yes, it’s still irresponsible cuz he’s still giving the girl webshooters and doesn’t care
@@ninjanibba4259 Did you even watch the fucking video???
@@Ign0rantP3rson yeah, doesn’t change the fact
@@ninjanibba4259you are giving big "I'm right your wrong" energy, Colin has already given the evidence yet you refuse to acknowledge it
@@ninjanibba42597 years old? No maybe 6? Gotta be cause you can’t grasp basic concepts
Ok how is it really Peter’s fault if he brought his kid there? How was he supposed to know something like this would go down in a place with other Spider-Men who are heroes just like him?!?!
People seem to forget there is a whole plot that Miles shouldn’t know about the spider society so Peter should not be ready for miles to be there
@@FlawlessWallace3350 True.
Except it doesn’t just have spider people
It’s literally a prison for LITERAL SUPERVILLAINS who got transported a dimension other than their own
holy shit is that spider man
@@TulpechaidoplaysMCThere is no reason to assume the villains will escape, considering how secure it is, and even if they do, there are hundreds of spider men that can fight them while Peter takes Mayday home
I love it how some of yall think every Peter Parker has to be perfect 😂😂😂
Wdym? The times where Peter leads a good life are only done by Peter's with out the powers or corrupt versions of him. From what I've seen
I mean it is a dumb idea that the parent would constantly bringing a child into fights with superpowered beings. It isn’t about being perfect, it is about not putting your kid in fatal danger.
There’s a big difference between not being perfect and being cool with spider fascism
@@TulpechaidoplaysMC that's true but I was referring to ghost rider spider man who was considered a beloved hero who had the perfect life until he revealed he'd been killing and stealing spider men's powers
@@councilmanbanks6528 i love your pfp its my favorite comic of spider man
Peter doing Spider-man things with Mayday with him as well as giving her a web-shooter would make sense in terms of his parenting. Given she was born with spider-powers, it is very likely that she would choose to become a super-hero in the future, so familiarizing her with the dangers at an early age gives her more experience and skills than Peter ever had when he started which would protect her in the long run.
Accidents do happen? He shouldn't have brought the baby. When he takes mayday with him at the end of the film, Gwen knows that miles is on earth 42. The earth that doesn't have a spider-man?
None of them know how safe/dangerous earth 42 is, yet Pete still brings his infant daughter beacuse he's confident he and the others can protect her? This sounds like over confidence on Peter's part. Even if he wants his daughter to grow up like Miles? Maybe wait til she's able to formuate a sentence before on the job training.
Peter can't account for every variable and it's safer to leave the baby at home. It's more of a completely avoidable risk (no matter how harsh or slight) than a leap of faith. Peter could have simply had the heart to heart with miles and showed him the baby photos, with the scene playing out exactly the same.
It was comic relief that could've been handle better. Didn't ruin the character for me, but the questions it raised were pretty irksome and unnecessary.
While he reconciled with Mary Jane & had a kid together. He could’ve stood up & supported Miles more.
I fully agree 👍
Why how would that help?
He literally kept telling Miguel to go easy on Miles. He also calls him out by saying this isn’t what they talked about. What more is needed? Should he have tried to singlehandedly fight Spider Society?
The fact that he doesn't makes the movie more interesting, it also makes sense for his character as even tho he loves Miles he's not the type person to just instantly stand up to Miguel. I wouldn't be surprised if he can't stand up to him till the end of the next movie.
@@s.k.4289With a baby keep in mind, Peter did his best.
So I'm only about 15 minutes into the video, but the easiest answer to everything so far is spidersense. Anything threatening mayday would 100% trigger his senses and those same senses that would have been passed down to mayday also instinctively keep her out of harms way. Spidersense is the primary reason peter can swing without needing to do a shit ton of math every time he shoots a web and that would also apply to mayday.
The thing is Spider-Sense almost seems turned off. Shouldn’t Peter have been aware of Miles webbing him up after Miguel tracked his location? Why are other Spider-people treated like jokes when they should at least have the same baseline of skills, abilities and experience as Miles?
The entire point is it was totally irresponsible of Peter to bring Mayday especially during the chase. And he could’ve dropped her off since he literally has the watch that allows him to travel to different universes.
@@howdoichangemyusername9802 This video we're commenting on has a rebuddle for the dropping her off argument, so I won't parote his words, but spidersense triggers when Peter/those immediate around are in danger. At no point did he feel/was he in danger from Miles. It's likely miles didn't even trigger the response, or Peter allowed himself to get webbed up. Spidersense is naturally inclined towards defense, so Miles was benefitting from it as he felt every other spider in the facility was trying to stop him from saving his dad. He would have been in high gear dodging, while all the other spiders needed to run the offense. Spidersense gives basically no real advantages to offense
@@jamesrosengrant8675 outside of the video itself, even if Spider-Sense is more naturally inclined to defense, wouldn’t it still be effective for offense?In its most basic form, it essentially tells Spider-Man what move the enemy will make and how. That can still be used offensively. Like during the sequence between Patrick O’Hara and Miles, shouldn’t Patrick’s spider-sense have alerted him to the fact Miles would cheat and would draw earlier than need be?
@@howdoichangemyusername9802 idk if O'Hara has a spidersense or not. I never read his sorce material. But the easy answer to the question is that was for a gag. Unfortunately, the movie is about mile first getting to, then escaping from the spider society. So that means miles needs to be able to outrun everyone else. I could probably keep giving excuses for the spidersense, but that would mean I'm spending more time/effort trying to fix a plot hole than the creators spent making it in the first place
That kinda reminds me of a Stan Lee quote. It was something along the lines of the character that would win in a fight was whoever the writer needed to have won
@@jamesrosengrant8675actually yeah miguel doesnt have spidersense he just has super enhanced vision that's pretty much 360° vision which is why his suit doesnt have eyes its because he needs his vision to be slightly worse so that he can focus on whatever he's fighting instead of being aware of everything else
Why is he ragging on Peter and not JESSICA who is out here doing spider shit while PREGNANT??? At least with Mayday you could argue he has the OPTION to leave her somewhere safe if necessary, but what is SPIDER-WOMAN'S excuse?!
Tbf, the vid was about Peter B specifically. And he does bring her up briefly, and doesnt approve of it
At the very least jessica was not a previously established character so its not damaging to her character to have her be chronically irresponsible. That said it's still bad
dude, he does. what even gave u the thought that he wouldnt, maaybe u just created an argument in your head that doesnt actually apply? and ur acting bewildered and confused like its insane that he hasnt thought of this but all u had to do was not be purposefully obtuse to see that he did. also this is the definition of whataboutism, how does this thing make what peter did better in any way? it doesnt, so why even mention it?
@@bigjawline9235
Uh, unless I missed it, it wasn't included in this video? Because this is the first time I've seen any parts of the other guy's video, and I'm not gonna actually watch his shit video? I'm not saying it makes what Peter did better, it was still pretty stupid to take risks like that regardless, but Jess is still infinitely worse because while Peter has the option to leave Mayday someplace safe and avoid her getting hurt, she doesn't because if she gets hit there's a very good chance her unborn child does too.
Because he doesn’t care about Jessica.
I did not expect to get maxor-ed within the first 5 mins lmao it was the perfect response.
All his points are like “What if Peter didn’t protect her” like bro has to do what ifs in order to make Peter look irresponsible 😂😂
What ifs are absolutely relevant if you're determining if someone is irresponsible. I think you mean incompetent.
@@duckchen2676 are they? If I dreamed that I robbed a bank, should I turn myself into the police?
What ifs are basically thoughts, and thoughts have a lot of subjectivity and biases that can make them unrelaible. We can't really determine anything with what ifs. With that line of thinking, racism would get a lot of innocent minorities arrested.
exactly lmfao, hes just creating problems in his head that aren't relevant.
@@channel45853 I mean no not that what if obviously, its about context of what you are responsible for. Let's say instead you are a security guard at that bank and you wave your gun around at suspicious people to intimidate people and make them scared to rob the bank. Even if you have 0 intention of shooting it, what if it misfires? You are being an irresponsible gun owner/security in that situation.
@@duckchen2676well in this context you are aiming the gun to the ground, so the chances it misfires AND the bullet somehow ricochets and hits someone is extremely low.
Bro you dropped this video while I was watching his video 😭
Coïncidence I think not.
Peter Parker practically has a story every week to month bruh..... like sometimes he needs a break from being iconic. Let him casually fumble without it meaning a great deal for his character, there are many other stories going on in Spider-verse besides him.
How does someone take a break from being iconic? 💀
By no being in the spotlight
So we (as an audience and people with critical thinking) are just supposed to let endangering his daughter's life for no real reason slide just cuz of Multiverse? Sheev have even introduced alternative options that he could use. And bringing Mayday on massive battle with Amped Spot and Spider Society is not a great idea in any way.
@@masido443we casual cheer on aunt may letting Peter a highschooler to be spiderman , they brought it up to in the movie 😂
@@BxNcVsper777 we were? Doesn't seem like it ended well for her.
18:42 Colin dude, he's not saying Peter shouldn't want his daughter to follow his footsteps, he's saying he shouldn't be motivating her this early into her life. She's a BABY. You're ignoring Sheev's last couple seconds of that argument. Peter just has to WAIT. Would it be responsible for a father to give a baby a bicycle when they're not even old enough to reach the pedals?
It's like you just have to disagree with someone who criticizes a movie you like. I thought it was obvious that giving dangerous tools to a baby is irresponsible
People forget how OP spider sense is. And it's Mayday. Every second generation mutate are magnitudes more prepared for issues then there parents. Like Franklin, Valaira, Nathan Summers, and aw, yeah Mayday Parker.
Wait do spider people count as mutants?
@@AdamDj-ic3kr they count as Mutates. Their X genes didn't activate like mutant but because of outside triggers. All marvel humans have an x gene thanks to the Celestials.
@@crimson60620 huh.. interesting
@@crimson60620Peter Parker, Miles morales, gwen stacy,e.t.c are mutates because they got their powers not from birth but from a external source while for mayday logically, she should be a mutant because she was born with the powers and I don't think that her father being a mutate automatically means she is one as well.
@@Chaosedits_CH02 I think what your parents are continue whichever you are,b that's the thing humans and mutants aren't really a different species.
Finally Colin responding to a sane human being
Sheev Talks is just a whiner
@@bullylowenthal2683I think he's usually pretty spot on with his criticism
@@shaggy1628 hahaha hahaha nice joke
@@bullylowenthal2683at least he doesn’t copyright strike people
That’s generous
I don't know how miguel assumed miles was the original anomaly but it's really the spot
If anything, Miguel himself is the original anomaly by placing himself in a dimension where the him there died.
I believe we have a word for that, now what was it….?
Oh yeah, hypocrite
It drives me kind of crazy that people nowadays just kind of refuse to meet movies on their own terms. I feel like ever since CinemaSins, there’s been this need to make everything in a story make perfect logical sense otherwise it’s a mistake. Yes, in the real world taking your daughter on a high speed chase is irresponsible, but this is an animated movie about hundreds of different versions of a guy with the powers of a spider. As long as a story doesn’t contradict its own logic, it’s fine, it doesn’t need to fit perfectly into the rules of the real world. People need to just chill and let movies do their thing; it’s not real life, it’s escapism, let it be escapism.
people can't do that if the message is being shoved everywhere.
You do realise that Sheev us doing that right like yeah I don't like Sheev's video but He is still applying the movie's logic to prove his point.
@@malikpierre-louis3343no he didn’t. Watch the video bro
@@amusedapple4933 He did tho mostly He agknowledged the fact that their are different kind off physics in the spiderverse but he also apllied the movie's logic for example deducing that most spiderman the train would die since the movie portrays that fact look I am not gonna say Sheev's vid is "good" but I don't like misinformation.
@@malikpierre-louis3343 he “acknowledged” it as something someone might say to defend against himself. That’s not applying movie logic
The SK vs Southpaw and Sheev talks incident (funniest shit I’ve ever seen)
This response got very, very personal.
Honestly hard agree, this video had posed great rebuttals and points that previously challenged my thoughts I had when watching the video he was responding but the aggressively arrogant and condescending tone made this overbearing-ingly un-pleasant to watch at times and would have been a more effective and enjoyable to experience to watch with the lack of that manner and tone present throughout the video.
@@theartisticpaperbag6247 yea idk i wouldnt be as critical of it if it didnt seem like someone criticizing spiderman is enough for him to defend him no matter what it is
@theartisticpaperbag6247 that's kinda his mo tho
2:32 not going to lie, you reaching hard with the mayday point. Comparing a trampoline to superpowers is beyond nuts.
U know what I agree, because a baby with super powers and supervision by Spider-Man is probably safer than a kid on a trampoline tbh
Honestly, I agree with the guy about certain things. I too was extremely disappointed with how Peter B was portrayed, especially during the train scene and what came afterwards. I don't belive Peter would just stand by and scream "Miguel, we've talked about this" while Miguel is beating Miles and then keep trying to give Miles his baby to hold after he just found out that his dad is going to die. Also, I don't believe Peter would turn pragmatic and join Miguel. "Without Uncle Ben none of us would be here" is not a sentence I should be hearing from him, at least not in this context.
What worked about Peter in the first movie was that he knew when to crack jokes and when to be serious. This Peter acts like he doesn't give a damn about Miles and Gwen just because he's a parent now.
I understand ur point, but you have your timeline backwards.
Trying to get Miles to hold mayday was after the canon event conversation.
It was after that that Peter yells “this isn’t what we talked about!”
Miles leaves after that with Peter never getting another chance to try and calm things down with Mayday
I think your side relies a lot on Peter's confidence in Mayday's durability. Yea, she MIGHT be just as tanky as any other spiderperson, but does Peter KNOW that? If he hasn't tested that somehow, like dropping her from incrementally high ledges, then he is risking her taking some serious damage, especially as an infant.
And for the ending scene where Peter picks up Mayday to go find Miles, if he DOES know where Miles is, then he knows the Prowler (a supervillain) is also there. If he doesn't know where Miles is, then any supervillain(s) could be there. I don't consider him having a squad to jump them with as making May any safer, arguably it makes her a larger vulnerability to target as she would be the weak link to focus on. And either way, even if he had 1000 of Miles friends to back him up why risk bringing Mayday there at all?
I don't think it's unreasonable to assume Mayday could've showcased her powers just by being a baby and Peter witnessed it. Like if she ripped apart her crib or something that's obviously and indication. Also I literally said in the video even if she did only have the durability of say a regular adult human in this video it would still be irrelevant due to how Peter is tackling the scenario
Also how would Peter know that Miles is with Prowler? They could just know what Earth he is on. And the reason he brings Mayday at the end again could just fall onto him trying to use her to calm Miles down again because that worked last time. And once again he wants Mayday around the other spider-people and Miles. And for the villain thing I literally explained that in the video already, and how the fuck would Peter evading conflict and letting the other Spider-People with him handle that, make him more of a liability or make Mayday less safe? If Peter is keeping his distance from conflict, why/ how would a villain manage to chase him specifically down, when he has 8 other spider-people to deal with? Like wtf is that argument...
@@C0LIN. The first point sure there is room for the possibility that he was aware of her powers, but the movie SHOULD HAVE shown the audience why Peter was so confident in them. A short flashback or even a cutaway gag of the baby doing something strong would have sufficed. Otherwise at best it's ambiguous, at worst the viewers brain assumes a baby is in danger. And I'll say during the chase scene fine, since Spider-HQ is safe I can believe he wasn't irresponsible to trust his abilities to keep her out of danger. But bringing her into potential combat (the ending) there are just too many variables to account for.
Whether he knew Prowler specifically was there wasn't really my point. What he would known is that there is no spiderman on the Earth Miles sent himself to, and the place is probably (and seemingly confirmed to be) teeming with supervillains because of that. To your 2 how/why questions: Why would a villain chase him down? The same reason any supervillain goes after the hero's loved ones, they are weaker and they can easily use them as leverage against the heroes. How would a villain chase him down? It may not be likely, but you can't account for all variables in that situation. Maybe there are multiple supervillains, maybe they can teleport/go invisible.
I get why he brought the baby now but I still think the risk outweighs any possible benefit.
@@duckchen2676 1. The movie showing us her web swinging and using her power is literally showing us she's superhuman
2. We quite literally have no idea where Gwen's group is going at the end of the movie, so we don't know how much risk overweighs benefit. And having 8 SPIDER-PEOPLE there is a heavy risk mitigator...
@@C0LIN. the point about Peter taking Mayday to hunt down Miles being dumb is kinda valid I think. Assuming this is a world he's never been to, he has no idea what is on the other side of that portal. this is a multiverse meaning every possibility exists as its own world, he could encounter literally anything and would have no idea about it unless that universe has already been mapped out, I mean, you ever heard of Marvel zombies?
@@C0LIN. You're not vaild in this, even if Gwen knew where miles was exactly, it would still be dangerous to go into a unknown and most likely dangerous universe with a BABY, even if peter can protect her with a bunch of spider people.. why risk it? Rare Colin L
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My dude, do you know how babies work? Yes there isn’t any evidence in the film that Mayday’s durability is less than Miles or any other spider person, but babies literally have to be less durable than any other human to actually be born, a baby (even one at Mayday’s age) is nowhere near as durable as a teenager or an adult
How do you mess up something this simple?
Heres the short answer, it doesnt matter at all. I always felt that Peter bringing his kid was just a little joke. Im really confused why its such a big deal for someone like Sheev.
Right? What, narratively, would it add for Mayday to be in serious danger? By comparison, it'd take out a lot for Peter B to spend screentime managing baby logistics or Mayday not being there at all. So, take the minor logical quirk in the favor of the narrative moments they build towards.
@@evae1216 it would take less than 5 minutes for Peter to get Mayday home and come back for the chase. You know, something a responsible adult would do.
@@masido443this an action comedy ofcourse something going to be illogical on purpose. We can say that about all the heroes really
@@BxNcVsper777 are you gonna pull "this is a cartoon" card on me next?! And please give your other examples.
@@masido443"it would take less than 5 minutes" that's already too long miles was moving Peter would not have caught up if he went back to his dimension
I get the impression Peter bringing Mayday along isn't out ordinary just base their interactions with Miguel.
am i the only one who watches both colin and sheev 😂
Nope.
I do as well and enjoy both of their content.
Yea
There both have good videos
@@person3405sheev and his buddies also made a 4 hour response to this video on sheev’s second channel if you want to watch that
Most of this could be summed up to its a just a silly gag like idk why he taking it so seriously when it’s clear the movie just wants to showcase Peter being happy
It's just silly gag is all
I truly don't see how any of this ruins his character
A kid on a trampoline and a baby on a trampoline are two different situations. Really weird analogy.
Really not when we’re talking about a superhuman baby that’s being supervised by SPIDER-MAN
@@C0LIN.or, you know, he could just… leave her at home. Being Spider-Man doesn’t mean that he can’t have an accident, and it doesn’t mean leaving her at home wouldn’t be more responsible. You know, the WHOLE POINT OF SPIDER-MAN, RESPONSIBILITY?
@@oofiethetroll2059dude it’s not like Peter brings mayday to work all the time,like most parents want their kids to see what they’re work is like.
And your right about being spider man dosen’t mean your kid can’t have an accident,but that same logic applies to a normal kid jumping on a trampoline,just because your a responsible parent doesn’t mean that there’s not a chance of your kid breaking his leg?
@@oofiethetroll2059
The only issue with Peter irresponsibility would be if the movie made light of/supported irresponsibility. Which they didn't. His Laissez-faire approach to parenting is in character, so is his degree of irresponsibility. Spiderman and responsibility is not what Batman is to vengeance. He doesn't obsess over it, he is responsible when you need to be. And in the scene we had he has shown all signs of responsibility. He held her and supervised her constantly. Stop drinking the cool aid
In the hypothetical you propose Miles nor the audience meet Mayday, she would be home for like the entire movie. How fun, and impractical. Istg ya'll never consider what the alternative looks like.
@@MisterSlimee I prioritize character consistency over fun if the movie is a movie that wants to be taken seriously. I don’t have a problem with him bringing Mayday in the first place, but he should’ve brought her home after Miles made it clear he wasn’t going to stop. Having fun in a movie is fine, but the movie had plenty of fun without making a joke of child endangerment.
I deleted my original comment here, primarily because I supremely missed the point of both this video and the video from Sheev. At first I thought, “No, he’s not ooc, and him being irresponsible is a reflection of his character,” and though I still think that, I admit that addressing his parenting is a valid criticism. A lot of your video attempts to refute his irresponsibility, but the points in support of Peter’s parenting aren’t really the greatest.
I’m not here to take a side, since I think both of you present some good and bad points. But I will say, a baby, regardless of how you try to spin it, is still a baby. Mayday might be at low risk for injury here, but the slight risk presented is potentially life-threatening. Yes, Peter is a skilled Spider-Man who’s surrounded by other Spider-People, but it’s pretty difficult to reconcile with the fact that if any of them slip up, Mayday’s life is in far greater danger than it would’ve been had she simply been left with MJ. At the same time, none of this is necessarily ooc for Peter. Him simply trusting his/other’s abilities, being optimistic about his child, and attempting to lighten the mood is in-character.
In short, Peter isn’t perfect. Oh well 🤷♂️. It’s an interesting show of his character, and I love his interactions with others involving Mayday. And though I think this, I’m also completely ok with accepting that his parenting isn’t great. He can be both a questionable parent and a good character.
Forgot to include this in my last paragraph, but I meant to add that I see no need to be mad at Sheev for his points about Peter being irresponsible. No personal shade though, your video is really interesting, and I liked hearing the information you presented.
Sheev ALWAYS has to complain about something so I’m not surprised someone has finally made a video debunking him
he fell off lol
@@randomt800kiddo2 can’t fall off if you never were even on
@@bigstarwarsfan5714 i liked his flash and kenobi videos, but the clone wars videos and now this... nah...
He provided valid critisim for Peter B parker in ATSV specifically.Just because he states his oppinion on something you like doen't make his points invalid. He still liked ATSV
@@spiderman-2416 his points are wrong lol
He says a lot of words that can be ignored just by knowing "He's Spider-Man".
I really don’t like the idea of Peter B Parker and Spider Woman going out There with babies and an advanced Pregnancy.
I get it, they have super powers and that but come on, your work it’s fight super multiversal danger level villains, it’s kinda, irresponsable, dangerous and unnecessary, more when you think that Mayday… doesn’t even have more than… 3 years maybe and the other doesn’t even born.
There’s like, a lot of other Spider People, a lot of them don’t look that busy or something, is not necessary you know, go to missions, if you are Pregnant or have to, take care of the baby.
Even if my 6 Months son have, idk, Dr.Manhattan powers, I will never bring him to fight the… ah…¿Green Goblin from the NaCI dimension?, ¿You know what he can happen if I don’t look him for 5 seconds?
Eh I am fine with it as its all just done for cheap comedy in a medium that is inherntly silly so this type of junk aint much to worry about imo.
Peter isn’t bringing Mayday to Wakanda during Infinity War or anything like that, though?? He brought Mayday to a whole complex of Spider-people. The Spider Society chase was not at all supposed to happen. There’s that one offhand comment MJ makes about how Peter brought Mayday to “another fight,” but I highly doubt that’s meant to imply Peter brought his kid to a showdown with, like, Carnage, or Venom, or Green Goblin, or something insane like that. It was probably some thugs he beat up pretty quickly.
@@shinesparkss5193 Nothing but excuses. "At last he didn't bring her to the end of the multiverse." All it matters is he endangered her multiple times for no reason.
@@celestialsoldier622 I wasn’t saying “At least he didn’t,” I meant “It wasn’t supposed to be.” Though, yes, he could have brought her back to MJ, but he would have absolutely lost Miles- or at least he wouldn’t have found him like he did in the film.
@@kwayneboy1524You say that as if we can't have comedy and consistent characterization.
Also, you used the argument "animation is silly". Really? Really now? Esoecially with the very seriously presented thenes the movie gives a lot of attention into.
another thing: peter b would also have a very idea of how powerful miles is, given miles literally knocked him out by accident in the first film😭
Bro kinda has a point about Peter being a bad father. He does make some valid points.
Not gonna lie when someone starts powerscaling superhero stuff as a criticism I instantly stop taking them seriously, if you watch an entire movie with completely inconsistent.. everything (as it pertains to fighting and characters getting hurt) yet start nitpicking only one single instance of that inconsisntency you've lost the plot. People seriously need to realize that superheroes live and die by what's good for the story and what the writers want to convey, not by who should technically win or lose in accordance to powerscaling.
that's fair but I also think it's fair to expect writers to write in a way that follows in universe logic
@@oj9690 If a story goes out of its way to describe in-universe logic, sure, but otherwise it's case-by-case. And even then, a lot of shonen battle anime for example could well do away with powerscaling horseshit as it usually just makes their stories themselves worse.
It's funny how the super baby is taken as a serious part rather than just being a thing to laugh about.
1:26
“Extremely irresponsible when it comes to how he parents Mayday”
So we gonna ignore the fact they are in a society and place filled with spider people. Peter’s daughter has spider powers and Peter allowing his daughter to use them is in character, it definitely shows how comfortable and trusting he is in the society. It’s a safe environment where he is with individuals he trusts (Gwen and Hobbie for instance). The only time where the environment isn’t safe is when Miles escaped and he had the whole society chasing him. However if you notice what Peter does in that sequence is make sure his daughter is okay constantly. The only irresponsible thing I see him doing is at the end of the movie where he joins Gwen to go save Miles, and brings his daughter with him. However you could make the same argument again that he is around individuals he trust.
I would like to add that Peter has sticky hands, if he's holding onto Mayday it would take a lot of force to make him lose his grip
What I've gathered from this is essentially "It's fine that Peter brought mayday even though it's face first irresponsible alone because she has powers and they can equate to other Spider-Characters even though she's a toddler" and "Yeah Peter was obnoxious not taking anything seriously, but he was trying to lighten the mood, and ease tension so it's okay"
If I'm misrepresenting those points, not my intent. I don't think Peter was ruined but I DO understand where dude in the video is coming from with those points. I can see how one would be annoyed that he didn't take things MORE seriously than he did. However the way Peter was written overall still had a sense of proper follow up in my opinion, but those criticisms aren't completely invalid. If one were making really annoying corny remarks in the midst of a serious group discussion, I'm confident the group would look at that person wanting to punch them in the face.
Again, it may fit Peter's character, but it's still MAD annoying when you have that ONE guy in the group who RARELY takes shit for real and always feels the need to say something silly at the worst time.
Also, I don't think it takes much to recognize that it would be significantly more responsible from a parenting perspective to simply leave mayday at home with mary jane, sure Peter's lowering chances of her catching harm, but it really doesn't justify the act within itself. Nor does the whole "He has mayday there to help calm down Miles" thing work, cuz if u told someone u straight up USED ur kid in a dangerous situation, they'd have more than enough reason to give u a really bad look.
I’m not saying it can’t be annoying for someone to make jokes when ur trying to be serious and I’m not saying leaving her at home wouldn’t keep her as safe as possible.
I’m saying the way the criticisms are framed make it out to seem worse then they actually are given the context of the movie. Him bringing Mayday around to try and calm ppl down does justify things given the context of the movie. I think I made that pretty clear in the video
Off topic but am I the only guy who thinks it's strangely weird that people are fine with child sidekicks like Robin or heroes training teens to fight crime and dodge assault rifle fire in fiction but when a baby is brought into the mix it's too far?
@@C0LIN. Yeah but that's the thing, the context doesn't really help. At the end of the day, the claim is still there that the parenting is irresponsible, the movie acknowledges this and doesn't even try to justify it. It's still not a great act, but it's something u can forgive for the movies sake, not justify.
@@kitanasfans2328 The context literally does help, if you say "This guy was speeding in a car when he had people with him" that's a statement that doesn't have context. But if you add the context of "Well he was on an open road with no cars around and he's very good at driving" then it makes the situation look worse than previously framed.
In the case of Peter B I explained why Sheev is making things sound worse than they actually are
And I also tackled the point of the movie making a joke out of it... If someone says "I really shouldn't let you eat all this candy" that parent is technically being irresponsible for letting their child eat a little too much junk food, but they aren't really that irresponsible...
@@C0LIN. But those "contexts" can just be used as an excuse to make a flimsy counterpoint if u ask me. This is something I noticed people do when there's criticisms towards the new Spider-Man game and how certain events played out in cutscenes.
For instance if Kenny robbed a bank and held multiple people hostage at gunpoint and shot someone gravely injuring them and you added the context of "Well Kenny lost his job, no one's looking at his applications, and his rents due and he has no money and is gonna be homeless" sure, that's worth adding in, but it doesn't CHANGE the fact that Kenny still robbed a bank, held multiple people hostage and shot someone.
Again, this ain't to say that peters a BAD parent, like I said we can all easily forgive this, but I don't think it takes away from the point made in reality. Especially when there were MANY dangers to Peters kid in this instance.
I really wanna nail home that this doesn't ultimately harm the movie, nor Peter's character. It's just a thing where the complaint isn't entirely invalid, but still forgivable.
I like the idea of Peter being happy, but he doesn't take things seriously and acts like he doesn't care he doesn't feel like the same person. He wasn't stupid in the 1st movie, nor a pushover, but the sequal makes it seem like he's a joke who puts his daughter in danger, though I agree that he can't just tie her up and leave her at home with no one to watch her. Unless MJ works from home.
To be honest, I agree with the other guy on this one. I found Peter bringing his baby to a battle zone to be immersion breaking. Also him always having his baby took the tension away from any scene he was in, because obviously nothing bad is going to happen to the guy with a baby. I would have liked if he just didn't bring his baby with him at all, personally i see nothing wrong with just leaving the baby with MJ.
Sure Peter might have the capability of protecting her against most threats, but why put her in a dangerous situation to start with? Your main point is that nothing happened to her so it's fine, but the only reason nothing happened to her is because she's a baby with plot armor. Logically speaking he should return home with her, or leave her with someone else in a safe environment.
I find it strange how they couldn't let
MJ take care of the baby, it feels
Like they couldn't have a woman
do that, so they made Peter b. Parker
Do that.
@@elongatedmanforever1252 That is reaching heavily. What kind of assumption is that? "They couldn't have a woman watch her own baby." If anything, these movies prove just how capable women are, so to make that argument is completely ignorant. I can see why you think bringing the baby is irresponsible, but that honestly has to be the worst take on this subject I've heard so far.
Mayday serves as a plot device, she serves a purpose. To subtract her from this film on the basis of "safety" completely disregards the fact that this is an animated movie and being fiction, can maneuver the plot in any way it sees fit, so long as it's cohesive.
You said it yourself, she has plot armor because obviously, nothing's going to happen to the guy with a baby. To make this claim while also trying to make the argument that bringing her along was a bad idea doesn't make sense. Also, Peter B.'s scenes are supposed to have tension, that's literally the point, he serves as a sense of comic relief, a lackadaisical character as Spider-Man is often shown to be.
@@bartizzle
Why though?? It's just dumb having
Grown adults take their children to
a place where they could be hurt
abducted by a supervillain or lost
in another dimension.
@@elongatedmanforever1252 I know, as I said, I could see where you were coming from. But to say that the reason Peter B. had Mayday was because they didn't believe that a woman (MJ) could do it is completely unfounded.
What the hell are people yapping about ‘why can’t Peter be happy?’, who said that?
no one. no one said that.
Sheev is back seat parenting a fucking fictional character even with clear reason of why Peter did what he did during the chase smh.
The Spiderverse community needs to learn to handle criticism. His not back seat parenting shit, he layed out valid points on how Peter B parker is being an irresponsible parent (which he is btw).
@@spiderman-2416 each to their own tbh. It's a fictional universe.
@@spiderman-2416His points aren’t valid they’re delusional. Mayday is a super powered baby stronger than me and you, using real world logic is disingenuous. These are meta humans traveling dimensions.
@@Treck533 Fair enough, the movies do have cartoon physics, but even you have to admit taking Mayday on the space elevator was abit stupid, like seriously, Peter is holding on for dear life on the train that again was heading for the Moon! he's own life was in danger not just mayday.
@@Treck533 spider people still can get hurt or injured, just takes more than normal people. Mayday might be mor durable than normal baby but she's definitely not on the level of Peter, Miles, Gwen and others. During the movie she was in various dangerous situations even for adult spider people. I wouldn't say that Peter is a "bad parent" but he's too overconfident in what he can and can't protect Mayday from.
Plus, he really should look more serious considering the gravity of "canon events" (since he saw one unfold right before his eyes) and pushing Mayday in Miguel's face is quite rude.
I mean the guy in the video is over doing it but he’s not wrong in expressing how dumb it is for Peter to bring Mayday.
It’s actually down right stupid to bring a baby to the spider society, he’s not 12 he’s an adult. Peter B is kinda an idiot and it is an animated movie so we can allow ridiculous decisions for the sake of a few laughs, but yeah it is dumb af. But this movie doesn’t take Peter B seriously anyway so it is what it is.
How is it stupid to bring Mayday to the Spider society? The Spider society has a munch of Spider-people that can defend the place if something happens
@@Santiago.V7 Considering in the Marvel universe there are threats every single week…. How do you think it is safe to bring a kid to a place that could be a potential target by every villain known to man… Do you think it’s safe to bring a baby to a military base just because it’s full of army generals and soldiers? You know there are universal threats every week in Marvel. So why bring your kid to a place that is more than likely a target.
@MkayM254 bro, the Spider-society is not a target place. You are just making shit up. The movie didn't said that the Spider-society is a target place or made it look like a targeted place. You are just making shit up
@@Santiago.V7 I misspoke earlier. I meant “potential target” So you don’t think a place with all the spidermen in existence could be a potential target for villains….
@MkayM254 No, do you think the villains are that dumb to try to attack a place with multiple versions of the guy that can beat them all by himself? Because spider-man 2099 probably can beat the sinister 6 alone, plus the Spider-society has really advanced technology that they could use to take down the villains easily
My only complaint about Peter b Parker in this movie is taking his baby daughter into dangerous fights.
The main criticism was risk..... So you shouldn't be born because that's a risk?
I’ve never herd a greater yap session in my life
The fact that Colin. watches Max0r makes me very happy.
putting ur baby at risk of getting severely hurt is irresponsible who cares if she has powers if there’s a chance of her dying why bring her. “She has powers peter will protect her” okay but why put ur baby in such a dangerous situation in the first place potentially calming miles down isn’t a good enough reason by the end of the movie
2:00 wouldn't say those comparisons completely work considering a web shooter is closer to a weapon. Also how did you come to the conclusion he was saying peter didn't care about miles and gwens safety because they aren't his kids? Clearly not what he said
If anything mayday would be more powerful cause her powers are pure in her blood
She BECOMES a Spider Woman too in the future.
The movie never established something like that.
In fact, I don't think it makes any sense.
@@toontastic6408Different continuity, different rules.
Also, she was a eenager when she became Spider-woman.
Ik they didn't. I'm saying that someone born with powers is gonna be more powerful. Literally happens in comics all the time
@@Mv3p Eh, not sure if that's how spider-powers work in the Spider-vetse movies.
And if that's the case, I'll assume that she'll be more powerful than other Spider-people at best once she becomes a teenager, not as a toddler.
Peter litterly told miles he wants mayday to turn out like him 🤦♂️
This comment is before I watch the full video. I would like to say I can see why some people say that Sony ruined Peter b Parker like for a lot of people they really like him mostly because he’s very pathetic or defeated. Does that go into the next movie to see that he is absolutely happy he got back with MJ and they seemingly are happily married. He has a child and he’s constantly showing her around and he just has a robe on and not looking like Spider-Man. I wouldn’t say he’s weak because he hasn’t really displayed anything of his power level in the movie and I guess he still maintains the mentor role But again, I could sit there and see like why people feel that way about this I’ll probably come back and finish my thoughts after watching the video completely
I personally believe that Miguel's universe collapsed because he didimt belong there and he was there foelr too long. It wasnt his dimension so him being there broke it. Regardless of the fact he "replaced" doppelganger the universe know he wasnt the original.
Wow,I made the right call when I decided not to watch his video when they first showed up in my recommendations
His points are so stupid, they straight up started infuriating me lmfao
Peter never imagined that it would turn into a full on chase, he litterally implies that he never wanted it to turn out like this
And is bro high or something?just cuz mj said he's bought her to work before doesn't mean he went to fight fricking sandman or something with her, the implication there is that he has bought her to the spider society before,not to fight villains
And the spider society is litterally one of the safest point in the multiverse
And he acts all high and mighty about how bad Peter is at parenting
And then suggests leaving her with a hologram teenager or straight up webbing her up, WEBBING HER UP, does he not realise how bad of an idea it is,to web up a god damn baby
Using webs that can stop splitting ships, Falling towers, helicopters and trains
It can cause so many problems
And if it's all fine for her,then what danger is there in the spider society that she can't survive?
Also,he actively ignores the existence of spider sense
Bro's the kinda guy to say that Clark is irresponsible for bringing Jon to fight some thugs
Also Peter also has spider sense which allows him to react to any danger that happens
yeah and thats why gwen stacy is alive oh wait.
@@moe5020 His reaction to her fall is why she’s dead
Colin is the one person that doesn’t let anyone have opinions and takes
You sound bout dumb ash
@@C0LIN. You just proved bros point. What are you doing sir!
@@INTERNECION101 no he proved Collins point
Bruh everyone should keep this same energy anytime Batman brings Robin with him on missions.
they would if robin is a few months old toddler instead of a teenager bro wht? did u think that was a good point
@@bigjawline9235 are you mad? Dick grayson started at the age of 9 and Damian 10. Why would the argument of endangerment stop at toddlers?
What makes you think people don't lol
SO MANY PEOPLE criticize batman for taking kids to his crime fighting missions.
You did not cook with this point.
Yeah I don’t get sheev talk logic mostly because Peter Parker with baby mayday Parker spidergirl is so cute and actually makes sense to me.
So, Sheev Talks made no sense to you,........because Mayday was cute?
Something doesn't make sense in your argument.
And by something, I mean everything.
@@vaggos2003 i mean his logic with peter parker being a bad dad is garbage.
@@TevyaSmolka Well, you certainly did an even more garbage job explaining why you think that.
Also, next time, use arguments instead of going "it's just garbage" when someone questiojs your point.
@@vaggos2003 whatever i wasn't trying to be serious with my comment anyways clearly you miss understood the joke.
@@TevyaSmolka Oh. If that was merely meant to be a joke, then I guess my bad.
2:09 there are actually a lot of warnings and issues that come with trampolines and many kids have actually sustained severe injuries and insurance companies and doctors both find them very dangerous. Like I get what ur saying but also like trampolines are absolutely very dangerous to children, especially unsupervised, especially under the age of 10
I thought a parent putting their child at risk no matter how minimal was irresponsible. It doesn't matter how safe Peter B. is taking it, he's putting his child at risk. This argument is dumb, Peter B., did something irresponsible with his kid, he was lucky nothing bad happened, but you can't justify the irresponsibility because nothing bad happened.
I think for a man to act this way with his kid after reemerging from a midlife crisis is one of the most normal things in the entire movie xD. He's just happy to have regained his passion in life.
I hate that the spectacular Spider-Man agrees that miles dad needs to die. Josh Keaton, the VA, and the creator disagree with that and i also think that it is stupid that spectacular agrees with that because that is the most out of character thing that version of Spider-Man / Peter Parker
Creators can be wrong about their own writing, if the creator of Batman came out saying he’s supposed to be a pedo, I don’t care what the creator says. I care about what’s actually consistent with the character. And Spectacular wouldn’t let an entire universe die to save 1 person, when he has no proof to disprove Miguel’s theory…
I’d also recommend watching SKs video on the movie as he explains everything in more detail
Josh goes to explain why he believes spectacular joined miguel in the first place
This is seriously a question you asked in the video? Is it OK for firefighters police officers, etc. to bring the child to work? LMFAO no I don’t think so especially depending on the job. I don’t think you can. That’s like a cop telling his son, you’re gonna ride in the squad car with me today, which is basically putting him in danger because anything can happen when you’re on duty Otherwise, we would have bring your child to workday instead of bring your parent to school day. That’s showing off your parent and showing others that you wanna be like that when your older 😭 hold on now let’s say I have superpowers super like Mr. incredible. Does that mean it’s OK for me to take my child with me to work because I have superpowers 😂
That's not what I said, what I'm asking is, is it bad parenting for a cop to drive their kid to school in their squad car or to bring them into the police precinct, or a military officers to bring their family on base (which happens a lot irl and someone I know literally lives on a military base because his dad is in the army), or a firefighter to bring their kids to the fire station?
Or is it bad that someone in one those professions, to bring their kid around/ talk about their work life.
Which is the equivalent of Peter bringing Mayday around the Spider-HQ.
I'm not saying people working in those professions should literally bring them on patrol, or into war, or into a burning house.
However Peter bringing Mayday on the chase isn't really irresponsible or him being a bad parent, given the context of how he's tackling the situation that I LITERALLY WENT OVER IN THE VIDEO....
@@C0LIN. oh I see what you was trynna say but just because they both go superpowers and it isn’t that dangerous doesn’t mean he still should bring her everywhere I get that makes him happy but like in the fist one peter and all the spider peeps legit left miles because he wasn’t ready but can bring his child everywhere… I ain’t gonna reach that far but I just think it was annoying shoving mayday in err body face yfm I wish he would have had more heart to hearts with miles tbh overall valid points in the video 🫶🏽
I mean leave the kid in the car or leave the kid in the fire truck and your chilling
Im 4 minutes in but I’ll have to turn this one off. It’s definitely a concern when taking this movie seriously that Peter gave her webshooters as she clearly isn’t ready. If this is going to be a lot of “source?” type responses to reasonable concerns I’m not very interested unfortunately
One of the key things that makes this type of video good is how you counter someone’s argument, inviting them to prove their argument is not a quality response. The onus of proving why it’s unreasonable to give a toddler those TOOLS is not on the OG video maker, it’s on you to disprove it, as you indicating it isn’t is wildly more unreasonable a view prima facie than the opposite
At the end of the day, while adults enjoy spiderman it’s still a light hearted kids film, so equally no one should be sitting here saying “the cartoon child with web shooters in a animated movie is a DISGRACE and I take it soooo seriously”. But that’s not your point, so I don’t agree with you
It’s fortunate you aren’t interested I’m mad I seen this in recommended early in the morning
@@GPODante.2 his response to the very silly criticisms of the spiderman game let this type of format get in his mind as the content that gets the best views so he’s doing it to death it seems, and poorly too. It’s already old lol
Don’t get me wrong, people can enjoy this content if they like
I like how she's seen on screen using web shooters competently meanwhile she apparently isn't ready for them
@@lyle977 yea exactly, u cant treat every thing u disagree with as a dumb point like u did with those. it just makes u look condesending AND dumb
I think some of Sheevs points are actually correct in a way but i think the reason he is incorrect in calling peter a bad parent is beacuse we have never seen mayday before this. Like we all saw mayday as a cute baby then boom...massive chase scene. But i think if we saw their day to day life it could show mayday might be more capable than we know. She seems comfortable with climbing and swinging and being in the chase. So she probably does that alot at home, meanig peter would get a good grasp of what she is able to do
So basically;"any amount of child endangerment is excusable so long as both have super powers"?
Let's not forget that Peter is grieving and ashamed that he has to allow Miguel to manhandle Miles but he's elated and even grinning that Miles shocks Miguel back and almost sending him and dozens of Spider-Men to plummet to death.
The only problem with across the spider verse was Ben Riley
Nah the 90s needed a jab its just a shame Ben didn't block.
Ben may not be accurate but he’s definitely a wonderful jab at 90s Spidey comics. He’s so over the top and ridiculous just like that era was, it’s so funny
Why is it bad to have goofy parody’s
@@lukeplaysgames20 Apparently, people want things to be serious all the time. Like have some fun please?
Lore of "Across The Spider-Verse Ruined Peter B Parker" momentum 100
Dawg I was straight YELLING at my tv, cuz everything he says is completely brain dead cuz why tf would Peter Parker of all people not be able to save his daughter if she fell or protect her during a fight? Also (this is just my theory) I feel like Peter brought Mayday for himself so he could calm himself especially since he saw a whole universe die.
>why tf would Peter Parker of all people not be able to save his daughter if she fell or protect her during a fight?
Have… have you seen the death of Gwen Staci?
@@TulpechaidoplaysMC Other versions of Peter were able to save Gwen, look at Toby's Spider-man
@@matthew_373 Have we tested out how high Mayday can fall from before she is hurt?
@@radioraheem9820 I can imagine that Peter has dropped her from a small height and she probably didn't even really feel it, I mean she literally inherited the DNA of a Spider those mfers do not take fall damage.
@@TulpechaidoplaysMC Gwen was a human and Peter was also younger then not. Also also in certain situations Peters spider sense is heightened when put in tense situations so it’s not like he would be slow asl when it came to catching his own daughter.
I mean, Peter is being insanely irresponsible. Even just on the basis of giving her a web shooter and involving her in the chase at all, as per the trampoline example, you really *dont* put a baby on a trampoline, even if supervised, there's too many what ifs for any reasonable parent. But like, thats the entire point, its his leap of faith, and he has no clue what he's doing, being irresponsible is just a part of his character arc onwards
It's like if you give a baby a bottle of pills and now you have to watch them in case they go to eat one. Like, why the fuck would you give a baby even with powers, that level of power to either hurt themselves or run away. I don't get the comment of "but his watching her" and "You wouldn't allow your kid to use a pencil". If you put in her a crib without the shooter, she can't get out, give a shooter and she'll mess up the room and more likely hurt herself. And also yeah, we don't let toddlers use pencils? That's why crayons are made for? Even with a powerful baby, I'm pretty sure every parent is overprotective when it comes to there baby, so it's always come off as weird how little Peter seemed to put her in danger and not realize his the reason she is in danger.
Hopefully in the next movie she says home as omfg if they both go, im gonna lose it
@@RoachDarringtonbecause Peter is clearly watching over Mayday to make she doesn’t get hurt. I don’t know what you want now. Plus she already powers to begin with, so you’re compression with pills doesn’t make any sense. And lastly, “I’m gonna to lose it” it’s a movie. Get over it
@@OGsubway why give your toddler a fork when you can just take it away? Why add needless danger to your kid like that? That's the whole critique. Why give your baby web shooters when she doesn't have the mental capacity to even walk? She's just gonna shoot away and Peter has to watch over her like a hawk or she can just fly away and hurt herself. When all Peter could do is just not give her shooters and not bring her along to his dangerous job.
Also "It's a movie, get over it", so why do you care enough to try and counter my comments with things in the movie if it doesn't matter? It's just a movie 🍿
Yeah, Sheev is kinda reaching with this one. Though I understand feeling uneasy about a baby being near dangerous situations, her dad is literally spider-man lol
Imo, I think both of y’all bring up good points. However, the point about how “it’s like saying it’s irresponsible to let a normal kid play on a trampoline because they might get hurt,” it’s not. Because mayday is NOT a kid in that sense-she is a toddler. A kid would be someone who is old enough to actually know how a trampoline works
He’s a little irresponsible
Did you even watch the vid
So he's Spider-Man than
I agree, but Peter is smart and skilled enough to make up for it
@@tjehuehe has enough of a buffer. Add in what Spider sense can do... Seriously with how busted it is? Between Peter and Mayday's she would be better off than any human
I understand he’s Spider-Man and he comes with all these powers. However, y’all have to understand that these characters aren’t that durable. Based on all the comics I’ve seen and all the movies I’ve seen I’ve come to a conclusion that these type of characters can still get hurt or potentially die in any way. And Spider-Man makes mistakes, sometimes mistakes he can’t get out of. And y’all act like Peter is made out of vibranium & he’s just perfect. What if something actually happened to his daughter?
Now that I think about it, I dont think Peter bringing his baby along is that big of a deal, I understand not wanting to bring your kid so a chaotic situation but these aren't normal kids, take Gohan for instance who was one of the core factors of beating raditz and was out here facing planetary threats at the age of 5 and still continues to do so even now as a full grown adult with his own family, I remember even Gohan's own daughter Pan who was also a baby fought an entire army of space enemies in DB Super, even Broly who was also a baby was out here surviving planet ending shit in the DBZ Broly movie and then went on to blow up a galaxy later on, I get not wanting to put your child in harms way but these are not normal children, I think even the baby from the Incredibles was able to f*ck up the main villain syndrome, even Harry Potter was able to kill Voldemort when he was a baby 🤷
14:28 Bro really had to show that clip. 💀
18:59 Admiration for a parent figure is 100% different than safety. If Peter decided never to walk around with the baby without MJ again, just so she could make sure the baby is safe, I believe he’d still do everything in his power to save the people he can. If Mayday found her father’s deeds and sacrifices to be heroic and with imitating, that’s something about her character. If her character is a young child who dreams of being the person her dad is that’s fine.
(That’s exactly what her character is supposed to be.)
The Spider Society is probably one of the safest places in the multiverse.
Good thing there wasn’t any threat, as a team they couldn’t stop 1 Spider-Man.
@@kymehamehabeats9309 For real, everyone glances over the fact that they COULDN’T CATCH MILES. All of them working together couldn’t stop a 1-year of experience Spider-Man. Imagine if a Symbiote got loose or a Rhino variant.
@@TulpechaidoplaysMC though Imagine if Miles did injure or even killed some of them
I know it’s not very relevant to the topic but, What kinda bothered me is in this movie they said Miles’ Dad had to die when in the original Miles’ comic it was his Mom who died not his Dad. I think they got the idea of his Dad dying was from the Insomniac game.
What's the problem now
@@kingj9664
I’m saying the inconsistency of the differences between the comics and the video game and the movie.
In the original comics Miles Morales’ Mom dies, in the Insomniac video game his Dad dies and the way it sounds like in the Spider-Verse movie they are going with the Insomniac plot of his Dad dying instead of what happened in the original comics where Miles Morales first appears.
The Colin glazing is crazy in the comment section, I never seen such bad logic, misleading editing, and straight up misinformation in one video
Your saying Colin is misleading ?
This goes to everyone who complained about Mayday being in the movie. She is in no danger, she isn’t going to die from y’all what ifs. Mayday father is with her literally at all times. Stop thinking she is in danger when the movie shows you plenty of times she isn’t and has an experienced Spider-Man father who protects her at all times.
I really don't understand this recent whinging about superhero children's safety. Its like bro, its a cartoony universe. Do these people complain about Batman bringing around Robin? The Incredibles having Jack Jack mask up against the Underminer? Also why exactly are teenagers exempt from this concern? Shouldn't Peter B have told Miles, the 14 year old, in the first movie to stop and go do his homework. After all, isnt that the responsible thing to do? It just seems so selective and stupid. Sometimes its okay to suspend your disbelief.
I do agree that certain people can take media too seriously, even me.
Exactly what I’m thinking why tf is it “mayday is a baby she could get hurt” meanwhile miles is still a kid, peni, gwen, pav, etc are teens but they have Spider-Man responsibilities? From the look of these arguments some of these spider people shouldn’t even be here in their logic hell even Toby maguire spider man was a teen so wtf is the argument? Say in the future Peter b dies in his universe while mayday is still a kid (15/17 we’ll say because that’s the age range around miles and other spider people) what’s she gonna do not fight crime? That’s kinda the point of these stories, all in all I find it completely ridiculous that a fictional character is getting backlash for bringing a baby somewhere it’s like they want him to make a irl public apology 😭. Now to get logical with the movie, Peter brought here there because 1. ITS THE SPIDER SOCIETY 2. Miles wasn’t supposed to be there 3. There is no point trying to think logically about a FICTIONAL MOVIE
The thing about this video is that while sheev says Peter is a bad parent for bringing mayday he never says anything about Jessica being pregnant and doing all of the things she does in the film
Gonna have to defend sheev on this one, he does address it in the video and condemns it
Sheev Talks makes a very good point, Peter acting irresponsibly with his won new born child is massivley out of character for him. I mean for goodness sake he brought his child to a Space elevator that was heading for the Moon!
Guarantee u clicked on this video commented right away and didn’t listen to a word I said
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@@C0LIN. I did watch your video to the end, and I agree with 90% of your counter-points aginast Sheev Talks "hypertheticals" of whether or not Mayday had "spider strength and durability". But I still think that Peter bringing Mayday on the space elevator thing was still irresponsible. And yes I understand that there are multiple spidermen there to mitigate the risk to Mayday but that won't matter while there on a train going who knows how fast to the Moon.
@@spiderman-2416 Colin explained this in the video. If they're literally about to be in space, they're jumping off. For all we as the audience know, they're 20 minutes away from the Moon at the time of the fight. They're not idiots, they know when it's time to book.
@@s.k.4289 Alright Fair enough, they did end up jumping off before they reached the Moon. I was just pointing out that bringing Mayday on the train was a bit, "Too risky", I had no problem with Peter bringing Mayday to the Spider HQ and all that, just the whole train thing. But anyways thanks for repsonding, maybe I also took the train thing alittle too seriously myself.
i only wish peter b parker showed up earlier
I mean, great, b got a daughter, but shouldnt he leave her at home,
Yes he should
I understand that peter would obviously want his daughter to be safe BUT who he is fundamentally is "with great power comes great responsibility"
Even if he'd want her to just be safe and away from his lifestyle, he would be the BIGGEST hypocrite if he didnt encourage her to be a hero
No offence, but you say we don't have context, then proceed to make your own context and use it.
We don't know how strong she is, so you could be right, but you could also be wrong. Most of the video is you just assuming and believing your headcannon is right and theirs isn't.
For example, you claim that he could have stopped a mugging because we don't have enough information, yet claim that must be it and ignore the possibility that he did bring her to a fight.
I'm pretty sure that it's more likely that he brought her to a supervillain battle judging how MJ phrases it.
But we don't know, so I can't use that alone as a example to debunk you
I'm taking the film in good faith and thinking of the best possible thing for the missing context, saying he took Mayday to fight some super villain is extremely bad faith. And MJ doesn't even sound that concerned about it, because she has trust that Peter won't put Mayday in a situation where Maydays life is highly in danger...
@@C0LIN. You can be extremely capable and trust worthy along with putting people in danger.
She said it in a playful tone, but it also sounded like she told him not to do it anymore. The movie is good but the way some parents are shown are just stupid.
You have a hero bringing his child into a chase with full confidence nothing will go wrong, when something could.
Then you have his wife not giving a single fuck.
Lastly, one of the hero's are pregnant yet are doing super hero Missons, putting not just herself, but her unborn child's safety at risk
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@@Sir_Parker06 What?