@@RhyzVids fr, one is a boy bitten by a radioactive spider and gets spider powers yada yada. The other was born of a godlike race that was sent to enslave his planet. As much as I love spiderman, you tell me who has the heavier baggage.
It’s funny how all of your arguments don’t even justify anything it’s so obvious you guys are biased invincible fans and you don’t get the point he doesn’t mean they are the same type of hero he means invincible is a more like supported hero with a whole cia like advanced super hero team Spider-Man is just a kid that works in his own he lives trough struggles like any person does with money for example he doesn’t have a whole advanced team invincible has no reason to work jobs because there is a whole agency that helps him with his missions
That's like most of his videos. I gave him a fair crack when I watched one I had some agreement with. Even if I didn't, i can watch someone I don't agree with if they're entertaining. He spends more time being wrong and calling people who like the thing idiots. Basically anyways.
So….does RSG just not want characters to act like humans? To be emotionless robots who always choose the most logical decisions? Mark just turned 18, he’s been raised human for most of his life. I honestly can’t with this guy.
I like how he says that invincible isn’t like Spider-Man because Spider-Man puts everything aside to save people, even tho in Spider-Man 2 he gives up for a time period because the stress it puts on his life because he wants to have a normal life, I guess he doesn’t like Spider-Man 2
Yeah and that wasn't a good thing. It was Peter giving into his hardship and giving up on being Spider-Man. Don't phrase it like it was some typical break. Doesn't matter either way, Invincible is his own character and he makes a selfish act near the end of the series which shows it. It's not bad because he isn't Spider-Man, he's Invincible.
Also Invincible is clearly based on superman, but tweaking the character to say something new. Just because Mark isn't spider man or based on him, doesn't make him an awful character or superhero
First guy didn't make sense at all. He would just show clip and act like we knew what he was taking about. Second guy was just expecting the same action and evil villain as S1, which I sorta get, but considering S3 is going to be crazy (Conquest👀), the slow-down is needed, and might I add, nice to watch. Nice video man
Yeah I get wanting to slow down a bit between major villains, but still season 2s finale really felt kinda lackluster to me. It’s just not as entertaining to see Mark fly through random portals then it is watch the brutal beat down from Omni Man in season one. Also Angstrom levy was a giant threat in the comics.
@phenseant 1. Levy at the time basically was a villian of the week, people only feel this way because it's a season finale, it wasn't an issue in the comics becuase of the fact that there was no long break between the next story arc. (They didn't butcher it just because the animation wasn't good) 2. also its not a matter of budget, an inexperienced studio from Vancouver is animating the show and they don't even have the same animation director as last time as it was outsourced. 3. Also tf do you mean "And my God they could have make "the I miss my wife"panel, they did? I'm assuming English isn't your first language but this doesn't even make sense as a criticism. And lastly not understanding why it gets love is just silly, everything is in place for it to be popular and liked. Legit the only long running issue has been the animation.
@phenseant my guy was Angstrom slowly losing his mind and threatening Debbie and Oliver not enough? He literally snapped her arm to two and threw oliver like a doll.
@@Potatosoupisgood bro how is that lackluster its most definitely interesting to see mark fly to portals and having to struggle to beat his vilain until he realizes to not hold back anymore
first guy straight up does not possess media literacy. bro complained about how invincible tells not shows but then when it DOES do that, it all goes straight over his head and he completely doesn't understand marks character or arc at all.
8:16 I'm sorry but 18 year olds not wanting to be Superheroes and have normal lives is pretty in character. And after S2E4 (when he actually learns about the Viltrumites) it becomes pretty clear that Mark shifts his focus. HE WAS READY TO TAKE A YEAR OFF COLLEGE IN E5 ALREADY. IF THAT DOESN'T TELL HIM THAT HE'S READY TO FIGHT NOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL.
God forbid someone being raised as a human and have human goals. God forbid developing powers, discovering where they come from, get beaten to (almost) death because you don't want to be like them and debate whether to pursue or not being a hero because of it. God forbid having an appropriate reaction to seeing yourself slowly become what you fight against. RSG is such a doofus
not even kidding, I was just watching that same first video criticism of Invincible a few days ago and his explanation about Debbie being told what happened by Mark being bad writing triggered me lol. Debbie has a very understandable reaction and her restating something Mark already said beneath a cut isn’t lazy writing, it’s her letting emotions out. Thank you for making these video breakdowns and nagging at bad takes, it’s helping people understand to not take criticism as is. Everyone will perceive media differently, and that’s okay but to bash on something because you don’t like it is only okay if you have actual understandable criticisms. Great content bro 🙌
It's actually weird with his channel cuz he genuinely has some great takes that I 100% agree with but then some of the time his explanation makes no sense or he uses some examples that don't work for his argument or he has videos that are just flat out wrong
For example, he tried to say Spider-Man into the spider-verse wasn't as good as people were hyping up to it to be, and one of the things that he tried to say to prove his point is the fact that some things feel forced with the movie and he tried to use a senile supposed to be a direct parallel which was supposed to be extremely obvious in the first place, but tried to use that as evidence as to why it's not a masterpiece in terms of writing
It's also good summarizing. We don't need to hear the whole damn thing again, but we can learn more about Debby's position in all of this with her shorter version.
Imagine blaming Mark FOR WANTING TO GO TO COLLEGE AND HAVE A GIRLFRIEND! In the brief time he's been superhero, Mark has watched countless people die during three alien invasions, got beat to near death by Battle Beast and partially caused the devastation in Chicago. Most people would drop being a hero all together after that. At least Mark is trying to have some semblance of normality to balance out the superhero bs he deals with every day
no way someone actually complained about Mark wanting to go to college and have a relationship and then goes "oh you cant have these things cause that's disrespecting your responsibilities" as if Spider-Man doesn't have a history of going to school and having a relationship. i think RSG is struggling to grasp at straws cause Cory Walker have already weed out any cliches that may become boring in the comics and they further expand on things in the show
What makes RGS’ “criticism” of Mark’s character arc even more idiotic is him bringing up Spidey as a comparison when Peter literally wants the same things… one of his most famous stories is where his girlfriend dies cause of him trying to balance his Normal/Hero life.
Amazingly enough, I was gonna make a video talking about that terrible RSG guy. I was so baffled at his “critics” that I genuinely felt compelled to tear him a new asshole. Like when he’s pissed that Mark is “so powerful and yet wants to go to fucking college”??? Uh, my guy, Superman works at a FUCKING POST-OFFICE. A superhero balancing his personal life and saving the world is good for character depth and growth. How did he missed the point THAT hard? But what did I expect from the guy who thinks Kungfu Panda 2 was “bad.” I am not kidding lol Also, characters “talking alot” when the start of season 2 was all tolled through the visuals is fuckin’ mental. Yes they talk, the audience wants to know what these characters think and feel, it also doesn’t help that each episode is almost AN HOUR LONG. Mf you gotta fill that time with SOMETHING 😂
if i hear another take with the "i will portray the fans/characters as whiney, nerdy babies and myself as the intelligent youtube authority figure" i'm going to snap
I would just like to point out that RSG has praised Metro Man in the past for his mid life crisis at Super Speed during the original Megamind, but based on his logic with Mark that should be considered bad writing for Metro Man to abandon his post. But hey, what should we expect from the same guy who credits A Train's death for getting him from behind with a bullet but calls Flash getting hit by Cold's gun in the back and caught by some liquid Boomerang hit him with from his boomerang inconsistent writing (if his point was about the rouges not being effective villains to stop the Flash from the context of FlashPoint Paradox film, then that clearly wasn’t indicated since he didn’t bother explaining it and all I mentioned was what he showed)! Edit: Okay slight correction, A Train was not killed as I had stated above. I hadn’t watched The Boys as of writing this and took that conclusion based off of what he said when talking about said character, which was somewhat foolish of me but I think that just further goes how badly he explains shows that he downright made me believe they killed off a character that they didn’t.
thank you SO much for talking about RSG's video, it was actually so cathartic. After sitting through that video I was so baffled that I just couldn't put into words what exactly was bad about it, and you absolutely did that.
RSG is a walking WOJAK. He talks about subjective discourse being boring despite his channel being entirely about subjective discourse. He also thought arkham combat was braindead because he chessed through the tutorial levels. Nitpicks. Nothing else criticism wise.
The 1st guy makes the dumbest arguments saying that mark is bad because he wants to have a personal life outside of getting his face stomped in daily and his issues literally are "because mark wants to spend more time with the people he cares about" and treats it like he just sat around while the world crumbled He even hqs the gaul to use Spiderman 2 clips as an example... The film where Spiderman gives up being Spiderman and literally turns his back on helping people which mark never does
The reason why a lot of viewers feel the animation looks inadequate is because the recent wave of well animated action movies and shows (X-men 97, Spider-verse, Arcane) and that the shows art style and art direction tends to be inferior to the comics. This isn’t to say Invincible looks bad or that it NEEDS to look like these projects or the comic. It’s that it’s odd to see such a popular show with a major corporation backing it up have a barebones visual style.
You’ll be sick if I told you about the old amazing lucas…bro switch up his whole talking point, and became a contradiction of what he used to say. I’m starting think that he just want to disagree with everything just to get views
@@awesome395 it's not that It's that anytime someone critiques the Raimi films the fans act like you shot their dog or something It's okay to be a fan of something or like it but don't be an asshole about it
@@awesome395yeah he said that, he was just saying that with those types of people they always try to glaze the rami films and treat them as if there the pinnacle.
The first guy saying that invicible is a bitch for not wanting to do his work as a superhero and just live a normal life just shows that the guy never had any job in his live.
the guy hating on Mark for trying to have a normal life is laughable. the argument falls flat. BUT THEN IT goes to the Center of the earth once he mentions Spider man or calls him a cheap copy or whatever...LIKE BRO PETER WANTS THE SAME THING. Ever since he was introduced he wanted to have a normal life and or strike a balance. But Pete still fights that because he feels its his responsibility. So many spider man stories tackle this same subject Mark is going through. such a bad take.
hell, peter even gives up being spider-man for some time how can he praise peter from sm2 but then hate on mark, WHEN MARK DIDN'T EVEN TRY TO ABANDON HIS DUTY?
@@namishjain9238 EXACTLY HELL you are right he praised SR spider man 2 but that entire other half of the movie is him giving up on being Spider man to live as Peter from grief. He watched a dude get jumped in an Ally and ran away. Watching Fire fighters go to a job and look and eat a Hotdog. It took a while for him to get that fire back in him and do his job with no powers. He still didn't get them back Until MJ's life was threatened. The moral of the story is. That dude is a clown and doesn't even make good arguments
@@The_WIll_OF_D99 i mean he also called across the spider verse a mid movie and that thing is far from mid. im glad he had this take about invincible, coz now he's getting cooked in his comments.
Mark going to college also tied him more towards humanity. Not embracing his super side because he’ll dive more into becoming a fighter like a viltrumite.
That video from RSG was bad. Him not elaborating what he means is something I use to do when I first stared making videos on my channel. I hated it and am trying to elaborate on stuff I say in my videos. You going into details about things you talk about is one of the reasons why I like your videos so much.
I think Lucas is missing the point, we aren’t supposed to be connected to Angstrom or his history, he embodies the things heroes leave behind. He’s supposed to be irrelevant to Mark instead of directly tied to him like Omni-Man. Mark barely remembers him and doesn’t know his name, that’s for a reason. That makes them opposites, where Mark fails to see the impact he had on angstrom because he was just trying to be a hero, Angstrom has spent every moment since they met thinking of Mark. I think that’s way more compelling and mixes things up.
Something you forgot to mention is Marks stress, for 17 years he was a regular human then when he got his powers the best superhero’s on the planet were all killed and his father in a coma. And during g the following year he was one of the strongest superhero’s on the planet but was being on the verge of death multiple times and then learned the truth about his father and his species and was then beaten to near death by his own father. After that he was the strongest person on earth, knows he is their best chance to save their planet, knows he can’t beat 1 Viltramite, will potentially have to face off against an army of then and is just waiting for them to come. He’s also shown he scarred of becoming his father and maybe one of the reasons he went to college is to be more human and help him even though that just makes his situation way worse and continues to get him more and more stressed the longer his hero problems and person problems continue to collide.
We as the viewer already know what happened on Thraxa, we literally have two episodes worth of events on that planet. So how is it lazy writing to not show mark give every detail to his mom? He also has to explain it to Amber, and william. Why would the writers make us sit through drawn out dialogue of events we saw occur?
Mark always wanted to be a superhero growing up and wanted to be like his dad but he didn’t want to become the strongest hero on earth at 18. He never expected his dad to be gone and to have to carry the weight of the world on his own shoulders that soon. He thought he’d be able to have a normal life and a girlfriend and live as a human. Preserving that humanity and that lifestyle is the reason he stands against omniman in the first place. Of course he wants to go to college with his gf and is willing to do things like argue with Cecil over it. If he didn’t he’d just be like all those marks we see in other universes. Mark never talks about going to college for a future career he just wants to do it to spend time with his friend and his gf and enjoy the last few years of being a carefree kid that he has.
Another thing about Mark that I really love as a character is he just wants a choice. Even if he doesn’t know what he wants. People don’t like to be told what to do. So despite Mark being this Superhero, he’s still human. That’s what makes him such a relatable character for me.
Only legit criticism of this show is the animation. It’s downright lazy for a studio the size of the one they have. And they aren’t even coming up with brand new ideas etc. they have the storyboard already done in comic form. So it should technically take even less time since the story boarding was done “years” ago. And making us wait as long as they did. I’ve seen smaller teams do more in less time.
yeah, not sure what's happening behind the scenes for the quality. Atom eve the special episode was so much better in s1 and s2 animation wise in my opinion.
First clip you react to and the criticism is already in the realm of "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" I fucking facepalmed multiple times when the person brought up the collage stuff.
Debbie was shocked, was shown calm after some time and she's been drinking. She asked a question, some time passed by (she could have been angry then, who knows?) She's been drinking and had time to some what wrap her head around it. She's still shocked and so she repeats what was said like someone in shock. She also explains what she's feeling to make. That's thought provoking and human....wtf is the first guy on about? Why is he acting like a scholar? Alot of his clips didn't add to or support his claims or reasons for why he doesn't like it....also "doesn't have 3 dimensional characters" mate have you watched the show? The whole show literally shows Mark struggle to use his powers. To hold back and not kill snd be like his Father they've shown this. Mark compares himself to his father because his dad is a psycho who kills and uses his powers to kill. Mark doesn't want that. He struggles after killing someone. Mark is half human. He wants a life like his father before he went nuts. Having a relationship, hobbies, friends, college amd a job he loves whilst working on his powers and being a hero who is strong and powerful to help and save people. His father did this. He's trying to find balance in his life. He struggles to do things in his personal life because he gets dragged back to superhero duty. He misses out on his life. He can also commit to his life causing him to miss a battle leaving innocents injured. That's the point of the show. I figured this out and I can be an idiot sometimes....so it is thought provoking....🤦♂️
bruh but the comics bruh you shouldnt need to read the comics to be able to make criticisms about a show, the show is its own separate and independent thing
@CourtneySturkey I doubt that was the point they were trying to make. In general, there's so many people online talking about the comics, saying that stops poor moments in the show from actually being bad. That's probably what they meant
@@dustinmann7877 I’m just re read his statements again…and he could be saying that, I truly don’t know. He said “the show is its own separate and independent thing”, which in itself is not true. Invincible has a story line, and it’s getting storyline from the actual comic.
The first guy talked so much about Mark being irresponsible…when that’s the whole point. The entire season is literally just a sequence of events beating mark down until he realizes that he can’t have a normal life, his responsibilities are too big, exactly what the guy was saying.
He said that the S1 fights were good and the S2 fights were bad… while showing two fights that are the same. When Mark starts fighting back on “ant planet” he uses the EXACT SAME MOVES as Omni-Man did when fighting Immortal! The only difference is that he swapped the beheading move with a slap. LITERALLY PUT TWO IDENTICAL SCENES (with a cool parallel) SIDE BY SIDE AND SAID ONE WAS GOOD AND THE OTHER BAD… wth?!?
When rex said "to *uck up is human. Shakespeare said that" that one line gives so much depth to his character. He's supposed to be thought of as the dumb jock stereotype, but it shows that not only does he know literary quotes, he can put it in his own words. That shows an understanding of the quote. Then, like a punchline at the end. Shakespeare didn't say that, Alexander Pope did. So it shows he may have great quotes to pull from when he's trying to uplift you, he's still somewhat the dumb jock stereotype.
Dude In the first clip said that mark is a worse version of spider man and then complained about how mark going to college is ignoring his superhero duties as if you know…. SpiderMan wasn’t going to college also while being SpiderMan. What a 🤡
Tbf he has a point with the Debbie line. When I first watched the episode it felt very stilted. If I was the writer, I would've her saying something like "I... I never thought that your dad was dead but... never in my life I would've expected him to just... start new. After everything he did! And then leave it to us to pick up the pieces!" I feel like that'd be a little less on the nose...
@@fluffynator6222 more so you actually wrote down what you were going for princess. If you were that embarrassed by what you wrote you didn't need to write in the first place
2:20 to 4:10, while I agree with you on this, but I still feel they should have done Debbie's reaction to her husband seemingly moving on from their fallout a little better, and the dual conversations about mark and Amber's doubts about breaking up not making any sense, when the last straw to their relationship was Amber literally being held hostage by Anissa who would've instantly killed her if she didn't go to earth to talk. Edit: aside from that, I can agree his takes are still bad.
true this......in my opinion after mark talked to art and amber talked to eve, they should have talked and realised then and there that it wasnt gonna work. im not too mad at it though, coz then he tries his best to spend time with her, and then she gets the real tasteof wht it could be like considering how much i disliked amber and this relationship in s1, they did a pretty good job fixing that mess
He’s acting like Peter Parker didn’t struggle with balancing his two life’s and even giving up the mantle for a short period because of wanting a normal life
The first guy is on something. He’s says mark is not Peter Parker because mark is flawed and wants to live a nice normal life, while Peter is flawed and wants to live a normal life. “Why doesn’t mark set aside everything and just be a superhero🤓”. Then you can bring the same argument about spiderman.
I understand he has disdain for mark But that dosent mean the show itself is bad writing they convey mark’s struggles amazingly and it’s realistic for his situation his argument is weak and petty
The real question we need to ask after this season is....... what is Mark's eye color? I saw brown, different forms of hazel, gray, and green all throughout this season!🤣
I will never understand people that watch an entire show just to hate it. Especially shows like Invincible that are released one episode a week. Like man you can just not watch it.
I kind of get the guys point in the fact that Mark wants to keep trying to live a normal life after the fact that Kregg told him they will come and check on his progress soon and bro just comes back and keeps up the same old routine he doesn’t at least train or try to get stronger bro just waltzes around like nothing happened after the battle on thraxa.
Ive seen this one dude who hated Eve, said that Amber was the best character the show had to offer, and liked MHA. I cannot, to this day, ascertain whether he was regarded or an elaborate troll.
Opinion 1: bruh what’s wrong with him Opinion 2: While Amber does have a good character in Season 2 and is justified in Season 1 with her reactions (until THAT scene), they definitely should have addressed that character flip, ain’t no way is she the best character over Omniman lmao Opinion 3: I think MHA is decent, but it definitely has massive issues. It’s story is not bad and the major fight scenes like Deku vs Stain, All Might vs All for One, Endeavor vs that smart Nobu, and the second half of the latest arc with Shigaraki powered up is top tier. I’d put it as one of my favorites if not for the sexualization of high schoolers and my wishing of all forms of torture and death onto Grape Man
the first guy just seems like an ipad kid that needs constant action or else he gets bored the second guy sounds like he just wants actions figures to hit together
The Amazing Innovation Doofus is back!!!!!! I can't wait until he goes faster than the speed of everything, because it's something that is inevitable because of him being just so innovative. After all, he's the most innovative person of all time.
For the lizard league 'revival' point: I genuinely think the survival cheapens the scene where they die. Rex being revived was good personally because he actually had good character moments afterwards, but Rae doesn't really do anything after and Dupli-Kate (while her being alive makes sense) feels like they just backtracked the Immortal's grief which I genuinely would've liked to watch more of. Imagine if we got an arc for the Immortal where he's finally broken because the only person who could've possibly understood him is dead. The immortal could've been used as contrast against Mark. Where as the Immortal becomes someone who's given into living a "normal" life, while Mark is someone whose commited to the gauntlet of being a superhero.
So far I have watched this video. RSG’s review and his “Man-Child” video. I have listened to the original argument in full and two responses. I think both of you have valid criticisms about the show. I think his comparison to Spider-man and why he feels the emotional and character drama works better with smaller more localized characters makes sense. I am a big Spider-man fan and own a lot of the comics made by the Spider-man GOAT Todd McFarlane. Compared to Invincible, I am a more casual fan. I genuinely love season one and found season two a little less satisfying. I think the overall point of his comparison was to say, that it’s hard to relate to a character that has the ability of a GOD. However, it works in Invincible’s case because he’s facing villains around his power level. But, when Mark fights weaker villains, I think it’s fair to say, “this is drawn out and annoying,” given his power set. How the character chooses to use that power is a different matter entirely. This is decided by narrative and has zero consideration about how the reader/ viewer feels. With all of that said, I think it’s obvious RSG just isn’t a fan and wanting to call this show trash despite any amount of quality, good or bad. It’s not something that’s worth watching because to him the “good qualities” cannot out weigh the “bad.”
All these "flaws" in marks character, are what makes him the hero. If he really decided to become a hero devoid of human interaction, only caring about the greater good no matter the cost or strain it causes. He would just be like every other mark from other universes that joined the viltromites. His want and need to keep a normal life are because of how he was raised, and is still being raised by his mother pushing him to be more than his father ever could.
Whole point of Rex and others saying hes invincible is because Mark didnt know who he was anymore. Invincible is the hero of earth, and at that time he didnt know who Mark Grayson was - an earthling or a viltrumite invader.
The humanization criticism of Mark is the ENTIRE reason why people dislike Superman. People don’t want to see Superman be human and have the struggles that humans do, they just want a “good guy” fighting aliens and snapping necks (*ahem* Man of Steel *ahem*). They don’t want a human Superman deal with the everyday struggles of being human, when that is the ENTIRE point of Superman’s character. Because without that vulnerability, Superman is just an invulnerable God. In some versions Superman has even become immune to Kryptonite.
I didn't really like Mark's character arc either, but I at least understand why it happened and what motivated him to make the choices he did, I wouldn't call it bad either, just something I didn't like. I'm interested to see how he further develops tho and imo that's a sign of a good, compelling story
In the first video, when he says marks a bad character on juggling a human,superhuman life, what do you think he would say if we brought up that’s like…. The whole plot of spiderman 2
@diobrando9324 I can't even agree 100% with either side. I only read the comic so the most of getting about Invincible is their opinions. The faces do look a lil stiff sometimes, but I don't think it makes the show trash if it's anything like the comic We just need to recognize everything has flaws, but some things have real good points too
I enjoyed RGS 2’s speedster video, but this is ridiculous. I’m not pretending Invincible is a perfect show, cause it’s not, but a lot of these criticisms are really stupid. It’s funny how he constantly uses clips from the Raimi Spider-Man trilogy, even though Peter in those movies has the exact same struggles as Mark and is even more visibly selfish. In fact, the whole plot of Spider-Man 2 is about Peter abandoning being Spider-Man so he can live out a normal life. That clip of Peter running into a burning building is immediately followed by him again giving up his duty saving people because of one person he didn’t save. Even him enjoying Megamind is bizarre, since Metro Man also abandons his post due to a seemingly selfish desire. It’s almost like characters aren’t perfect and they often have insecurities. If he wants to actually critique Invincible, he should do better job examining problems that actually matter. Sorry if this was overly long, but I hope I got my point across.
I'm really glad that season 2 didn't have any overarching main villain or catastrophic event as the climax. Shows that constantly try to one-up their previous season with higher stakes and badder villains often end up feeling repetitive and flat. Having a season focused more on smaller conflicts and character arcs, as well as setting up tons of stuff for the future, is probably going to pay off in the long run.
My one critique of season two that I think everyone can agree with- I’m pressed they skipped over the omnipitus fight with all the hero’s of earth teaming together without their biggest gun(Mark) and manage to succeed against a multiversal threat And marvel allowing a one episode spin off of the off brand marvel universe and mark. Not a real cirque of the show but just saddened about the expectations being lowered because of either copyright or budgeting
Criticising Mark's character for wanting a normal life parallel to his superhero one is baffling -- especially considering this is a plot point and theme in the first season. Mark initially has to try and balance the duty and responsibility with the desire for a normal life -- this is further compounded after the confrontation with his father in season 1 and his distaste for losing control. It's important to note that Mark had lived a relatively normal life until his powers came about -- he didn't have the earlier trauma of characters like Spiderman or Batman to influence his thoughts before the advent of his powers. It's totally reasonable for someone like him to desire some semblance of normalcy.
These people who can't understand the most basic human emotions and expect every character to act as efficiently as possible in every situation just come off as sociopaths rather than intelligent reviewers.
I'm beginning to notice it that the reviewers with the most BS critiques have the worst tendency to make bad whiny mocking impressions of anyone they disagree with to make their point
I'm not gonna call it bad, but I do think the final episode rushes the conflict between Angstrom and Mark. But I also think it furthers Mark's arc in a really interesting way. I also like that it subverted the season 1 finale in a lot of ways, instead of an even more over the top final battle they went with a simple and subdued fight between Mark and Angstrom. He's not a more powerful threat to Mark than Omniman but he's still more than a threat to a regular person like Debbie and challenges him in a different way than Omniman did.
3:!5 im so glad you brought up this point it pissed me off when that dude shitted on this scene, like its such a good moment in the show seeing both of them reach the same conclusion indepentdly and then come back together with the advice of some friends, like i dont get how its lazy in any sense it felt very deliberate to me
Tbh my only 2 complains for season 2 was the break and the fact that we didn’t at least get a sneak peak of the blue suit. Like I would’ve loved it if in the very end it showed Art working on the blue suit and zoomed in on it almost in an ominous sense considering what that shit represents. Apart from that, this season was amazing and I can’t wait for season 3.
Okay so with the animation problem. I do believe that season 1 had the better animation overall but I don’t think season 2’s animation was bad at all. It just wasn’t at the same level as season 1’s. Probably due to some conflict, I’m not so sure.
Invincible season one and two,, are brilliant. Excellent writing, voice acting and directing. A masterpiece in storytelling. Although I do wish they would step up the animation, a little bit more. Other than that,, invincible is one of the best shows on TV right now.
“Invincible is a bad hero because he wants to go to college and disrespects his power” so he wants to be a kid like he was for multiple years. What the fuck would you do? He discovered his powers at around 17 or 18 and had to fight people like fucking battle beast who could kill him if they wanted
Also, at the end it felt a little like arguing for the sake of arguing. Mr LightSpeed only said he found the main villain in season two less interesting and wasn’t invested in the character. I think that’s fine, but you took that as an argument against the character. At that moment no one said anything about the character other than, “I didn’t like him that much.”
"Mark is an awful hero because he is flawed and has personal wants and desires"
This is why we have so many Mary Sue characters.
im honestly surprised he didnt call atom eve a mary sue, given how he's getting mad over non-issues
It’s even funnier because he seems to like Spider-Man, who has similar struggles as Mark.
@@d.j.mulcahy1657and he compares them like they’re the same type of hero
@@RhyzVids fr, one is a boy bitten by a radioactive spider and gets spider powers yada yada. The other was born of a godlike race that was sent to enslave his planet. As much as I love spiderman, you tell me who has the heavier baggage.
It’s funny how all of your arguments don’t even justify anything it’s so obvious you guys are biased invincible fans and you don’t get the point he doesn’t mean they are the same type of hero he means invincible is a more like supported hero with a whole cia like advanced super hero team Spider-Man is just a kid that works in his own he lives trough struggles like any person does with money for example he doesn’t have a whole advanced team invincible has no reason to work jobs because there is a whole agency that helps him with his missions
The first guy came off as a straight hater like bro was just mad at every little thing and was crying over the dumbest shit😭
Yet praising SpiderMan for doing the same exact thing he claimed to hate lol
He was criticizing the character for being a character, imagine that.
That's like most of his videos. I gave him a fair crack when I watched one I had some agreement with. Even if I didn't, i can watch someone I don't agree with if they're entertaining. He spends more time being wrong and calling people who like the thing idiots. Basically anyways.
Happy invincible fans
@@RollingxBigshot ohhhhh noooo a negative opinion??? What will the invincible fans do?
So….does RSG just not want characters to act like humans? To be emotionless robots who always choose the most logical decisions? Mark just turned 18, he’s been raised human for most of his life. I honestly can’t with this guy.
Literally what I was thinking. Guy complains about the characters not acting natural while also complaining about them being human.
@@samuelsoliday4381 while praising peter parker, who literally did exactly what mark wanted to do, but didnt have the luxury to
I like how he says that invincible isn’t like Spider-Man because Spider-Man puts everything aside to save people, even tho in Spider-Man 2 he gives up for a time period because the stress it puts on his life because he wants to have a normal life, I guess he doesn’t like Spider-Man 2
And in One of is videos he praises spiderman 2 (the movie) which makes his point even more nonsencical.
He bashed mark for going to college, you know who else went to college while also being a hero? SpiderMan lol
Yeah and that wasn't a good thing. It was Peter giving into his hardship and giving up on being Spider-Man. Don't phrase it like it was some typical break. Doesn't matter either way, Invincible is his own character and he makes a selfish act near the end of the series which shows it. It's not bad because he isn't Spider-Man, he's Invincible.
Also Invincible is clearly based on superman, but tweaking the character to say something new. Just because Mark isn't spider man or based on him, doesn't make him an awful character or superhero
@@gotyournose6479 that's not how they were phrasing it.
First guy didn't make sense at all. He would just show clip and act like we knew what he was taking about. Second guy was just expecting the same action and evil villain as S1, which I sorta get, but considering S3 is going to be crazy (Conquest👀), the slow-down is needed, and might I add, nice to watch. Nice video man
Yeah I get wanting to slow down a bit between major villains, but still season 2s finale really felt kinda lackluster to me. It’s just not as entertaining to see Mark fly through random portals then it is watch the brutal beat down from Omni Man in season one. Also Angstrom levy was a giant threat in the comics.
@phenseant 1.
Levy at the time basically was a villian of the week, people only feel this way because it's a season finale, it wasn't an issue in the comics becuase of the fact that there was no long break between the next story arc. (They didn't butcher it just because the animation wasn't good)
2.
also its not a matter of budget, an inexperienced studio from Vancouver is animating the show and they don't even have the same animation director as last time as it was outsourced.
3. Also tf do you mean "And my God they could have make "the I miss my wife"panel, they did? I'm assuming English isn't your first language but this doesn't even make sense as a criticism.
And lastly not understanding why it gets love is just silly, everything is in place for it to be popular and liked. Legit the only long running issue has been the animation.
It was every bit as good. @@Potatosoupisgood
@phenseant my guy was Angstrom slowly losing his mind and threatening Debbie and Oliver not enough? He literally snapped her arm to two and threw oliver like a doll.
@@Potatosoupisgood bro how is that lackluster its most definitely interesting to see mark fly to portals and having to struggle to beat his vilain until he realizes to not hold back anymore
first guy straight up does not possess media literacy. bro complained about how invincible tells not shows but then when it DOES do that, it all goes straight over his head and he completely doesn't understand marks character or arc at all.
8:16 I'm sorry but 18 year olds not wanting to be Superheroes and have normal lives is pretty in character. And after S2E4 (when he actually learns about the Viltrumites) it becomes pretty clear that Mark shifts his focus. HE WAS READY TO TAKE A YEAR OFF COLLEGE IN E5 ALREADY. IF THAT DOESN'T TELL HIM THAT HE'S READY TO FIGHT NOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL.
AAAAAAND, he said to Allen that if there is a big fight against Viltrum, he will be there.
God forbid someone being raised as a human and have human goals. God forbid developing powers, discovering where they come from, get beaten to (almost) death because you don't want to be like them and debate whether to pursue or not being a hero because of it. God forbid having an appropriate reaction to seeing yourself slowly become what you fight against. RSG is such a doofus
you described it perfectly! i love this comment
Pretty much, he acts surprised that Mark has human desires despite the fact that he was raised by a human woman in a human environment
not even kidding, I was just watching that same first video criticism of Invincible a few days ago and his explanation about Debbie being told what happened by Mark being bad writing triggered me lol. Debbie has a very understandable reaction and her restating something Mark already said beneath a cut isn’t lazy writing, it’s her letting emotions out. Thank you for making these video breakdowns and nagging at bad takes, it’s helping people understand to not take criticism as is. Everyone will perceive media differently, and that’s okay but to bash on something because you don’t like it is only okay if you have actual understandable criticisms. Great content bro 🙌
It's actually weird with his channel cuz he genuinely has some great takes that I 100% agree with but then some of the time his explanation makes no sense or he uses some examples that don't work for his argument or he has videos that are just flat out wrong
For example, he tried to say Spider-Man into the spider-verse wasn't as good as people were hyping up to it to be, and one of the things that he tried to say to prove his point is the fact that some things feel forced with the movie and he tried to use a senile supposed to be a direct parallel which was supposed to be extremely obvious in the first place, but tried to use that as evidence as to why it's not a masterpiece in terms of writing
It's also good summarizing. We don't need to hear the whole damn thing again, but we can learn more about Debby's position in all of this with her shorter version.
@marvelmaniacs1 I'm iffy on his into the spiderverse take, I have my own problems with it, but even then, I don't think it's that bad.
Imagine blaming Mark FOR WANTING TO GO TO COLLEGE AND HAVE A GIRLFRIEND! In the brief time he's been superhero, Mark has watched countless people die during three alien invasions, got beat to near death by Battle Beast and partially caused the devastation in Chicago. Most people would drop being a hero all together after that. At least Mark is trying to have some semblance of normality to balance out the superhero bs he deals with every day
no way someone actually complained about Mark wanting to go to college and have a relationship and then goes "oh you cant have these things cause that's disrespecting your responsibilities" as if Spider-Man doesn't have a history of going to school and having a relationship. i think RSG is struggling to grasp at straws cause Cory Walker have already weed out any cliches that may become boring in the comics and they further expand on things in the show
What makes RGS’ “criticism” of Mark’s character arc even more idiotic is him bringing up Spidey as a comparison when Peter literally wants the same things… one of his most famous stories is where his girlfriend dies cause of him trying to balance his Normal/Hero life.
Amazingly enough, I was gonna make a video talking about that terrible RSG guy. I was so baffled at his “critics” that I genuinely felt compelled to tear him a new asshole.
Like when he’s pissed that Mark is “so powerful and yet wants to go to fucking college”???
Uh, my guy, Superman works at a FUCKING POST-OFFICE.
A superhero balancing his personal life and saving the world is good for character depth and growth. How did he missed the point THAT hard?
But what did I expect from the guy who thinks Kungfu Panda 2 was “bad.”
I am not kidding lol
Also, characters “talking alot” when the start of season 2 was all tolled through the visuals is fuckin’ mental. Yes they talk, the audience wants to know what these characters think and feel, it also doesn’t help that each episode is almost AN HOUR LONG.
Mf you gotta fill that time with SOMETHING 😂
Don’t wanna be that guy but he works at a news station but your point still stands.
first guy had no real arguments in my opinion 😂
bro was just yapping
@@namishjain9238 yeah he was lmao
I wanna low-key see that video made 😂
“Coming from a guy that thinks Kung Fu Panda 2”
Bro no fucking way he thinks that! 😭😭💀
if i hear another take with the "i will portray the fans/characters as whiney, nerdy babies and myself as the intelligent youtube authority figure" i'm going to snap
Amazing animation that ain’t Lucas that’s gotta be Lucas from a different dimension
Angstrom got him😂
Oh no it’s Sinister Lucas!
I would just like to point out that RSG has praised Metro Man in the past for his mid life crisis at Super Speed during the original Megamind, but based on his logic with Mark that should be considered bad writing for Metro Man to abandon his post.
But hey, what should we expect from the same guy who credits A Train's death for getting him from behind with a bullet but calls Flash getting hit by Cold's gun in the back and caught by some liquid Boomerang hit him with from his boomerang inconsistent writing (if his point was about the rouges not being effective villains to stop the Flash from the context of FlashPoint Paradox film, then that clearly wasn’t indicated since he didn’t bother explaining it and all I mentioned was what he showed)!
Edit: Okay slight correction, A Train was not killed as I had stated above. I hadn’t watched The Boys as of writing this and took that conclusion based off of what he said when talking about said character, which was somewhat foolish of me but I think that just further goes how badly he explains shows that he downright made me believe they killed off a character that they didn’t.
Oh yeah I forgot about that
thank you SO much for talking about RSG's video, it was actually so cathartic. After sitting through that video I was so baffled that I just couldn't put into words what exactly was bad about it, and you absolutely did that.
RSG is a walking WOJAK. He talks about subjective discourse being boring despite his channel being entirely about subjective discourse. He also thought arkham combat was braindead because he chessed through the tutorial levels. Nitpicks. Nothing else criticism wise.
Didn't he call Spider man PS4 overatted?
@@francisjr1412 He called ASTV overrated
@@lordraiden7397God dammit
Agreed
Wild arkham combat is amazing when u learn it 😭he probably has never tried a critical hit in his life
Dad had another kid.
Debbie: *head explodes gruesomely*
The 1st guy makes the dumbest arguments saying that mark is bad because he wants to have a personal life outside of getting his face stomped in daily and his issues literally are "because mark wants to spend more time with the people he cares about" and treats it like he just sat around while the world crumbled
He even hqs the gaul to use Spiderman 2 clips as an example... The film where Spiderman gives up being Spiderman and literally turns his back on helping people which mark never does
I like how the first guy said how the fight scenes were bad and then puts one of the top 3 best fights of invincible
The reason why a lot of viewers feel the animation looks inadequate is because the recent wave of well animated action movies and shows (X-men 97, Spider-verse, Arcane) and that the shows art style and art direction tends to be inferior to the comics. This isn’t to say Invincible looks bad or that it NEEDS to look like these projects or the comic. It’s that it’s odd to see such a popular show with a major corporation backing it up have a barebones visual style.
RSG is literally first season Omniman being like "Mark should just say fuck my human desires and embrace viltrumite power" lol
the amazing lucas can never having a amazing opinion bro wtf can he stay out of controversies with his opinions 😭😭
Amazing lucas and griffin gaming having a good take is like beavis and butthead solving the rubiks cube not happening
You’ll be sick if I told you about the old amazing lucas…bro switch up his whole talking point, and became a contradiction of what he used to say. I’m starting think that he just want to disagree with everything just to get views
@@CourtneySturkey yeah lol i think so too, he recognized taht controversial opinion like the one he says, get him views and attention.
Of course the first guy is a Raimi glazer
No hate for the movies themselves but its just a pattern at this point
Wouldn’t be shocked if he liked Man Of Steel too
@@billyboleson2830 I mean I like Man Of Steel but I'm not a toxic fanboy about it
I don't understand what's the purpose of bringing this up. Raimi films are good.
@@awesome395 it's not that
It's that anytime someone critiques the Raimi films the fans act like you shot their dog or something
It's okay to be a fan of something or like it but don't be an asshole about it
@@awesome395yeah he said that, he was just saying that with those types of people they always try to glaze the rami films and treat them as if there the pinnacle.
Colin, that older Eve is not from a different universe, she is from a different timeline.
Nah bro it’s a different universe
@@Thebloodguy no, it is from a different timeline because a future Rex said they must maintain the timeline and they said they had a time machine.
@@Thebloodguy na its our universe, but the future
@@namishjain9238 nah bro it’s a different universe still but the team traveled from an alternate timeline to save mark from being stranded
@@chikebosah5714 ya they are from an alternate timeline I started thinking about it , they are still in a different universe in that scene tho
That take about mark being a bad person for wanting things out of life, wanting time to himself is the most smooth brained take I’ve ever heard
The first guy saying that invicible is a bitch for not wanting to do his work as a superhero and just live a normal life just shows that the guy never had any job in his live.
the guy hating on Mark for trying to have a normal life is laughable. the argument falls flat. BUT THEN IT goes to the Center of the earth once he mentions Spider man or calls him a cheap copy or whatever...LIKE BRO PETER WANTS THE SAME THING. Ever since he was introduced he wanted to have a normal life and or strike a balance. But Pete still fights that because he feels its his responsibility. So many spider man stories tackle this same subject Mark is going through.
such a bad take.
hell, peter even gives up being spider-man for some time
how can he praise peter from sm2 but then hate on mark, WHEN MARK DIDN'T EVEN TRY TO ABANDON HIS DUTY?
@@namishjain9238 EXACTLY HELL you are right he praised SR spider man 2 but that entire other half of the movie is him giving up on being Spider man to live as Peter from grief. He watched a dude get jumped in an Ally and ran away. Watching Fire fighters go to a job and look and eat a Hotdog.
It took a while for him to get that fire back in him and do his job with no powers. He still didn't get them back Until MJ's life was threatened.
The moral of the story is. That dude is a clown and doesn't even make good arguments
@@The_WIll_OF_D99 i mean he also called across the spider verse a mid movie
and that thing is far from mid. im glad he had this take about invincible, coz now he's getting cooked in his comments.
@@namishjain9238 deserved.
I swear for the people they always gotta mention sam raimi spider man for every dumb argument
Mark going to college also tied him more towards humanity. Not embracing his super side because he’ll dive more into becoming a fighter like a viltrumite.
That video from RSG was bad. Him not elaborating what he means is something I use to do when I first stared making videos on my channel. I hated it and am trying to elaborate on stuff I say in my videos. You going into details about things you talk about is one of the reasons why I like your videos so much.
People will say Invincible is trash but will cherish that trash ass movie justice league crisis on infinite earth part 2 🤣
Show me one person that has said JL Crisis on IE 2was good 💀 ain’t no one defending that mess. 😂
Wait I haven't seen Crisis on infinite Earth's part 2? Is it that bad?
@@bampowbang6898I watched it I thought it was decent I just liked that Batman beyond was there but part one is better to me
@@MkayM254the animated show? Which JL you talking about?
@@leoultimaupgraded9914 no JL Crisis on infinite earths part 2
I think Lucas is missing the point, we aren’t supposed to be connected to Angstrom or his history, he embodies the things heroes leave behind. He’s supposed to be irrelevant to Mark instead of directly tied to him like Omni-Man. Mark barely remembers him and doesn’t know his name, that’s for a reason. That makes them opposites, where Mark fails to see the impact he had on angstrom because he was just trying to be a hero, Angstrom has spent every moment since they met thinking of Mark. I think that’s way more compelling and mixes things up.
I am positive RSG is salty at Invincible in general because the speedster character got killed
Not going to lie , seeing someone getting upset about Mark it kinda remind me of ppl getting mad about Gohan not being a fighter like Goku.
I’m tired of criticism just being, flawed character = bad character.
Then those same people will complain about Marry Sues. Make up your mind man.
Something you forgot to mention is Marks stress, for 17 years he was a regular human then when he got his powers the best superhero’s on the planet were all killed and his father in a coma. And during g the following year he was one of the strongest superhero’s on the planet but was being on the verge of death multiple times and then learned the truth about his father and his species and was then beaten to near death by his own father. After that he was the strongest person on earth, knows he is their best chance to save their planet, knows he can’t beat 1 Viltramite, will potentially have to face off against an army of then and is just waiting for them to come. He’s also shown he scarred of becoming his father and maybe one of the reasons he went to college is to be more human and help him even though that just makes his situation way worse and continues to get him more and more stressed the longer his hero problems and person problems continue to collide.
We as the viewer already know what happened on Thraxa, we literally have two episodes worth of events on that planet. So how is it lazy writing to not show mark give every detail to his mom? He also has to explain it to Amber, and william. Why would the writers make us sit through drawn out dialogue of events we saw occur?
Mark always wanted to be a superhero growing up and wanted to be like his dad but he didn’t want to become the strongest hero on earth at 18. He never expected his dad to be gone and to have to carry the weight of the world on his own shoulders that soon. He thought he’d be able to have a normal life and a girlfriend and live as a human. Preserving that humanity and that lifestyle is the reason he stands against omniman in the first place. Of course he wants to go to college with his gf and is willing to do things like argue with Cecil over it. If he didn’t he’d just be like all those marks we see in other universes. Mark never talks about going to college for a future career he just wants to do it to spend time with his friend and his gf and enjoy the last few years of being a carefree kid that he has.
Another thing about Mark that I really love as a character is he just wants a choice. Even if he doesn’t know what he wants. People don’t like to be told what to do. So despite Mark being this Superhero, he’s still human. That’s what makes him such a relatable character for me.
this video was surprisingly entertaining to watch, thank you for dissecting the negative season 2 takes
Only legit criticism of this show is the animation.
It’s downright lazy for a studio the size of the one they have. And they aren’t even coming up with brand new ideas etc. they have the storyboard already done in comic form. So it should technically take even less time since the story boarding was done “years” ago. And making us wait as long as they did. I’ve seen smaller teams do more in less time.
yeah, not sure what's happening behind the scenes for the quality. Atom eve the special episode was so much better in s1 and s2 animation wise in my opinion.
First clip you react to and the criticism is already in the realm of "Damned if you do, damned if you don't"
I fucking facepalmed multiple times when the person brought up the collage stuff.
Debbie was shocked, was shown calm after some time and she's been drinking. She asked a question, some time passed by (she could have been angry then, who knows?) She's been drinking and had time to some what wrap her head around it. She's still shocked and so she repeats what was said like someone in shock. She also explains what she's feeling to make. That's thought provoking and human....wtf is the first guy on about? Why is he acting like a scholar? Alot of his clips didn't add to or support his claims or reasons for why he doesn't like it....also "doesn't have 3 dimensional characters" mate have you watched the show? The whole show literally shows Mark struggle to use his powers. To hold back and not kill snd be like his Father they've shown this. Mark compares himself to his father because his dad is a psycho who kills and uses his powers to kill. Mark doesn't want that. He struggles after killing someone. Mark is half human. He wants a life like his father before he went nuts. Having a relationship, hobbies, friends, college amd a job he loves whilst working on his powers and being a hero who is strong and powerful to help and save people. His father did this. He's trying to find balance in his life. He struggles to do things in his personal life because he gets dragged back to superhero duty. He misses out on his life. He can also commit to his life causing him to miss a battle leaving innocents injured. That's the point of the show. I figured this out and I can be an idiot sometimes....so it is thought provoking....🤦♂️
dont worry mate i also get amotional when someone talks smack about my favorite show, especially when the criticisms make 0 sense
Their criticisms are mostly completely baseless and they clearly have not even glanced at the comics.
bruh but the comics bruh
you shouldnt need to read the comics to be able to make criticisms about a show, the show is its own separate and independent thing
@@pourplecat baseless claims do not equal criticism brother
@CourtneySturkey I doubt that was the point they were trying to make. In general, there's so many people online talking about the comics, saying that stops poor moments in the show from actually being bad. That's probably what they meant
@@dustinmann7877 I’m just re read his statements again…and he could be saying that, I truly don’t know. He said “the show is its own separate and independent thing”, which in itself is not true. Invincible has a story line, and it’s getting storyline from the actual comic.
@@CourtneySturkey When did i say that? im talking solely about the fact they brought up the comics
The first guy talked so much about Mark being irresponsible…when that’s the whole point. The entire season is literally just a sequence of events beating mark down until he realizes that he can’t have a normal life, his responsibilities are too big, exactly what the guy was saying.
He said that the S1 fights were good and the S2 fights were bad… while showing two fights that are the same. When Mark starts fighting back on “ant planet” he uses the EXACT SAME MOVES as Omni-Man did when fighting Immortal! The only difference is that he swapped the beheading move with a slap. LITERALLY PUT TWO IDENTICAL SCENES (with a cool parallel) SIDE BY SIDE AND SAID ONE WAS GOOD AND THE OTHER BAD… wth?!?
When rex said "to *uck up is human. Shakespeare said that" that one line gives so much depth to his character. He's supposed to be thought of as the dumb jock stereotype, but it shows that not only does he know literary quotes, he can put it in his own words. That shows an understanding of the quote. Then, like a punchline at the end. Shakespeare didn't say that, Alexander Pope did. So it shows he may have great quotes to pull from when he's trying to uplift you, he's still somewhat the dumb jock stereotype.
Dude In the first clip said that mark is a worse version of spider man and then complained about how mark going to college is ignoring his superhero duties as if you know…. SpiderMan wasn’t going to college also while being SpiderMan. What a 🤡
Tbf he has a point with the Debbie line. When I first watched the episode it felt very stilted.
If I was the writer, I would've her saying something like "I... I never thought that your dad was dead but... never in my life I would've expected him to just... start new. After everything he did! And then leave it to us to pick up the pieces!"
I feel like that'd be a little less on the nose...
Not really better.
@@fightingmedialounge519
Wow, no way some random line I wrote in a comment is actually bad
@@fluffynator6222 You seemed to think otherwise when you wrote it
@@fightingmedialounge519
"Uhm, akshully I know what you were thinking."
Ok, sure lil buddy.
@@fluffynator6222 more so you actually wrote down what you were going for princess. If you were that embarrassed by what you wrote you didn't need to write in the first place
2:20 to 4:10, while I agree with you on this, but I still feel they should have done Debbie's reaction to her husband seemingly moving on from their fallout a little better, and the dual conversations about mark and Amber's doubts about breaking up not making any sense, when the last straw to their relationship was Amber literally being held hostage by Anissa who would've instantly killed her if she didn't go to earth to talk.
Edit: aside from that, I can agree his takes are still bad.
Atleast you are pointing out criticizm and claiming that it could have been better instead of saying, “GRRRR THİS SHİT İS BAD INVİNCİBLE BAD”
true this......in my opinion after mark talked to art and amber talked to eve, they should have talked and realised then and there that it wasnt gonna work. im not too mad at it though, coz then he tries his best to spend time with her, and then she gets the real tasteof wht it could be like
considering how much i disliked amber and this relationship in s1, they did a pretty good job fixing that mess
I like rsg 2 but the amount of media illiteracy he has is insane
Same
He’s acting like Peter Parker didn’t struggle with balancing his two life’s and even giving up the mantle for a short period because of wanting a normal life
The first guy is on something. He’s says mark is not Peter Parker because mark is flawed and wants to live a nice normal life, while Peter is flawed and wants to live a normal life. “Why doesn’t mark set aside everything and just be a superhero🤓”. Then you can bring the same argument about spiderman.
I understand he has disdain for mark
But that dosent mean the show itself is bad writing they convey mark’s struggles amazingly and it’s realistic for his situation his argument is weak and petty
The real question we need to ask after this season is.......
what is Mark's eye color? I saw brown, different forms of hazel, gray, and green all throughout this season!🤣
I will never understand people that watch an entire show just to hate it. Especially shows like Invincible that are released one episode a week. Like man you can just not watch it.
criticism is good, but criticism can also be criticized if the criticism sucked balls
I kind of get the guys point in the fact that Mark wants to keep trying to live a normal life after the fact that Kregg told him they will come and check on his progress soon and bro just comes back and keeps up the same old routine he doesn’t at least train or try to get stronger bro just waltzes around like nothing happened after the battle on thraxa.
Ive seen this one dude who hated Eve, said that Amber was the best character the show had to offer, and liked MHA.
I cannot, to this day, ascertain whether he was regarded or an elaborate troll.
Opinion 1: bruh what’s wrong with him
Opinion 2: While Amber does have a good character in Season 2 and is justified in Season 1 with her reactions (until THAT scene), they definitely should have addressed that character flip, ain’t no way is she the best character over Omniman lmao
Opinion 3: I think MHA is decent, but it definitely has massive issues. It’s story is not bad and the major fight scenes like Deku vs Stain, All Might vs All for One, Endeavor vs that smart Nobu, and the second half of the latest arc with Shigaraki powered up is top tier. I’d put it as one of my favorites if not for the sexualization of high schoolers and my wishing of all forms of torture and death onto Grape Man
@@sakethvenkatesh2492 an extremely solid response. I would link the vid if i cared to remember it, which i dont.
0:36 It would have been hilarious if you increased the speed by another notch after he sipped the energy drink.
That's literally what I did
RSG Is A Omni-Man D1 Meat Rider 😭
He doin tricks on it
the first guy just seems like an ipad kid that needs constant action or else he gets bored
the second guy sounds like he just wants actions figures to hit together
The Amazing Innovation Doofus is back!!!!!! I can't wait until he goes faster than the speed of everything, because it's something that is inevitable because of him being just so innovative. After all, he's the most innovative person of all time.
RSG’s rant was so unbelievably stupid that I think my brain is forming a tumor
"I think I miss my wife"
Eggman: "same buddy"
For the lizard league 'revival' point: I genuinely think the survival cheapens the scene where they die. Rex being revived was good personally because he actually had good character moments afterwards, but Rae doesn't really do anything after and Dupli-Kate (while her being alive makes sense) feels like they just backtracked the Immortal's grief which I genuinely would've liked to watch more of.
Imagine if we got an arc for the Immortal where he's finally broken because the only person who could've possibly understood him is dead. The immortal could've been used as contrast against Mark. Where as the Immortal becomes someone who's given into living a "normal" life, while Mark is someone whose commited to the gauntlet of being a superhero.
So far I have watched this video. RSG’s review and his “Man-Child” video. I have listened to the original argument in full and two responses. I think both of you have valid criticisms about the show. I think his comparison to Spider-man and why he feels the emotional and character drama works better with smaller more localized characters makes sense. I am a big Spider-man fan and own a lot of the comics made by the Spider-man GOAT Todd McFarlane. Compared to Invincible, I am a more casual fan. I genuinely love season one and found season two a little less satisfying. I think the overall point of his comparison was to say, that it’s hard to relate to a character that has the ability of a GOD. However, it works in Invincible’s case because he’s facing villains around his power level. But, when Mark fights weaker villains, I think it’s fair to say, “this is drawn out and annoying,” given his power set. How the character chooses to use that power is a different matter entirely. This is decided by narrative and has zero consideration about how the reader/ viewer feels. With all of that said, I think it’s obvious RSG just isn’t a fan and wanting to call this show trash despite any amount of quality, good or bad. It’s not something that’s worth watching because to him the “good qualities” cannot out weigh the “bad.”
All these "flaws" in marks character, are what makes him the hero. If he really decided to become a hero devoid of human interaction, only caring about the greater good no matter the cost or strain it causes. He would just be like every other mark from other universes that joined the viltromites. His want and need to keep a normal life are because of how he was raised, and is still being raised by his mother pushing him to be more than his father ever could.
Whole point of Rex and others saying hes invincible is because Mark didnt know who he was anymore. Invincible is the hero of earth, and at that time he didnt know who Mark Grayson was - an earthling or a viltrumite invader.
The humanization criticism of Mark is the ENTIRE reason why people dislike Superman. People don’t want to see Superman be human and have the struggles that humans do, they just want a “good guy” fighting aliens and snapping necks (*ahem* Man of Steel *ahem*). They don’t want a human Superman deal with the everyday struggles of being human, when that is the ENTIRE point of Superman’s character. Because without that vulnerability, Superman is just an invulnerable God. In some versions Superman has even become immune to Kryptonite.
I didn't really like Mark's character arc either, but I at least understand why it happened and what motivated him to make the choices he did, I wouldn't call it bad either, just something I didn't like. I'm interested to see how he further develops tho and imo that's a sign of a good, compelling story
Saying ku fu panda is thought provoking is actually hilarious 😂
In the first video, when he says marks a bad character on juggling a human,superhuman life, what do you think he would say if we brought up that’s like…. The whole plot of spiderman 2
It's fine not to like invincible. But man these arguments are weak af. First guy hated everything about it...wtf did he even watch it then?
And then they’re gonna bring up the b-b-but opinions are opinions like you’re literally using that as a shield to hide your shame and stupidity
I'm just out here because I like watching debates and stuff. This is so great.
True, both sides have good takes imo but they want to be objectively right and that's where they fall.
@diobrando9324 I can't even agree 100% with either side. I only read the comic so the most of getting about Invincible is their opinions. The faces do look a lil stiff sometimes, but I don't think it makes the show trash if it's anything like the comic
We just need to recognize everything has flaws, but some things have real good points too
You can’t prove an opinion wrong. That’s kinda the point 😅
Do me a favor and look up the definition of “Debunk”
I enjoyed RGS 2’s speedster video, but this is ridiculous. I’m not pretending Invincible is a perfect show, cause it’s not, but a lot of these criticisms are really stupid. It’s funny how he constantly uses clips from the Raimi Spider-Man trilogy, even though Peter in those movies has the exact same struggles as Mark and is even more visibly selfish. In fact, the whole plot of Spider-Man 2 is about Peter abandoning being Spider-Man so he can live out a normal life.
That clip of Peter running into a burning building is immediately followed by him again giving up his duty saving people because of one person he didn’t save. Even him enjoying Megamind is bizarre, since Metro Man also abandons his post due to a seemingly selfish desire. It’s almost like characters aren’t perfect and they often have insecurities. If he wants to actually critique Invincible, he should do better job examining problems that actually matter.
Sorry if this was overly long, but I hope I got my point across.
I'm really glad that season 2 didn't have any overarching main villain or catastrophic event as the climax. Shows that constantly try to one-up their previous season with higher stakes and badder villains often end up feeling repetitive and flat. Having a season focused more on smaller conflicts and character arcs, as well as setting up tons of stuff for the future, is probably going to pay off in the long run.
You got destroyed lil colin😂
That’s what you wish
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Keep dreaming lil bro. Cuz your dreams ain’t never coming true.
I just ignore all those comments people should only be complaining about the animation or the times they should release episodes.
My one critique of season two that I think everyone can agree with- I’m pressed they skipped over the omnipitus fight with all the hero’s of earth teaming together without their biggest gun(Mark) and manage to succeed against a multiversal threat
And marvel allowing a one episode spin off of the off brand marvel universe and mark. Not a real cirque of the show but just saddened about the expectations being lowered because of either copyright or budgeting
Criticising Mark's character for wanting a normal life parallel to his superhero one is baffling -- especially considering this is a plot point and theme in the first season. Mark initially has to try and balance the duty and responsibility with the desire for a normal life -- this is further compounded after the confrontation with his father in season 1 and his distaste for losing control.
It's important to note that Mark had lived a relatively normal life until his powers came about -- he didn't have the earlier trauma of characters like Spiderman or Batman to influence his thoughts before the advent of his powers. It's totally reasonable for someone like him to desire some semblance of normalcy.
These people who can't understand the most basic human emotions and expect every character to act as efficiently as possible in every situation just come off as sociopaths rather than intelligent reviewers.
I'm beginning to notice it that the reviewers with the most BS critiques have the worst tendency to make bad whiny mocking impressions of anyone they disagree with to make their point
I'm not gonna call it bad, but I do think the final episode rushes the conflict between Angstrom and Mark. But I also think it furthers Mark's arc in a really interesting way. I also like that it subverted the season 1 finale in a lot of ways, instead of an even more over the top final battle they went with a simple and subdued fight between Mark and Angstrom. He's not a more powerful threat to Mark than Omniman but he's still more than a threat to a regular person like Debbie and challenges him in a different way than Omniman did.
3:!5 im so glad you brought up this point it pissed me off when that dude shitted on this scene, like its such a good moment in the show seeing both of them reach the same conclusion indepentdly and then come back together with the advice of some friends, like i dont get how its lazy in any sense it felt very deliberate to me
Tbh my only 2 complains for season 2 was the break and the fact that we didn’t at least get a sneak peak of the blue suit. Like I would’ve loved it if in the very end it showed Art working on the blue suit and zoomed in on it almost in an ominous sense considering what that shit represents. Apart from that, this season was amazing and I can’t wait for season 3.
Okay so with the animation problem. I do believe that season 1 had the better animation overall but I don’t think season 2’s animation was bad at all. It just wasn’t at the same level as season 1’s. Probably due to some conflict, I’m not so sure.
Amber scenes was just boring and hard to get through. I guess when they was talking sbout breaking up was good because its finally over
tbf though I think invincible does have a minor issue with fake out deaths. doesn't stop it from being incredible tho
I need to say this: nice web swinging with the background gameplay bro
Invincible season one and two,, are brilliant. Excellent writing, voice acting and directing. A masterpiece in storytelling. Although I do wish they would step up the animation, a little bit more. Other than that,, invincible is one of the best shows on TV right now.
I check out some of RSG2 videos and he has plenty of bad takes that it’s not even funny.
Fun fact, Invincible S2's animation was done in North Korea.
“Invincible is a bad hero because he wants to go to college and disrespects his power” so he wants to be a kid like he was for multiple years. What the fuck would you do? He discovered his powers at around 17 or 18 and had to fight people like fucking battle beast who could kill him if they wanted
Also, at the end it felt a little like arguing for the sake of arguing. Mr LightSpeed only said he found the main villain in season two less interesting and wasn’t invested in the character. I think that’s fine, but you took that as an argument against the character. At that moment no one said anything about the character other than, “I didn’t like him that much.”
People seem to forget that characters are human. They're not gonna answer right every time
You can’t try to go to college and be a super hero. Mark put too much on his plate and he learned the hard way. It was apart of his development
The animation for invincible definitely mirrors the first comics, but I think it should be improved to mirror the newer comics