Dive comp is amazing but in this video freedo breaks down some misconceptions and how to avoid them! Let us know what you think and be sure to drop a Like & Subscribe if you enjoyed!
I always wind up trying to urge my team to play aggressively and get together, but instead they always get engaged in poke battles and die before the entire team can even group up. If there was one point where I'd say boosting is okay, it's when literally nothing you can do as a main tank can make up for retarded teammates...
Freedo is great. When Freedo makes a video it's straight to the point, just as long as it needs to be to get the point across, and very well layed out and easy to understand. Keep up the great work man!
How hero selection in bronze works: *I pick dps because I'm a dps main.* *4 other teammates pick dps hoping the last guy goes Mercy.* *Last guy picks Hanzo*
Jeff & Co. should build an algorithm to cross your hero playtime with your team comp when you leave a game. "OK, this guy left this match. Let's see... 30 hours of Mercy, 20 of Zen, and his team was running 5dps. Fair enough. Who wouldn't leave?"
Or if you're in Diamond. Pick Winston, some guys tilts and demands Rein. You're then the solo tank with no healer. You then get forced to play healer. Some guy tilts cause he's a genji main who didn't get genji, goes Torb. You lose point 1, someone tilts and plays Sym with a tele going off a cliff All of the above has happened to me at diamond in COMP. One guy who threw insisted he was Master level but it was cause our team couldn't aim, me especially (i was on Rein with only Fire Strike to aim properly LOL). Its awful at all levels. Rant over
How it works on xbox regardless of the rank: Absolutely no one joins voice chat, i play healer and make sure to pick first...yet i still get a hanzo, a widow, a torb, a mcree and a junkrat!
Brendan Lemke bunch together. The dice relies on someone straying away, then pouncing. This having essentially a 6v5 fight. They can't get you as easily if you play together
there are many ways, all situational of course. You can run Sombra to hack the initial divers, Roadhog to hook whoever dives your backline, McCree can stun them.. You can even run your own dive, pick a winston and dive them as they dive you etc. The thing with dive is that it often requires more teamwork than a normal tank slow push comp, so if you can take advantage of that and perhaps engage them right when they dive you, you might get the upper hand by capturing them off guard. Also Zen is great for discording divers, and deals a lot of damage too so basically you have an extra dps character to help out.
Brendan Lemke mei can freeze and stop winston when he dives on your team and makes it easier for your team to focus him junkrat can do the same thing with his trap
So glad you guys made this video! I've seen a lot of dive comps lately and I think this will bring many players more success as more people tend to understand it!
To me the biggest misconception is when your teammates don't dive with you when everyone is grouped and everyone is ready to go because when you are the main tank, you dive where you see your teammates can follow but instead they just stay back/don't follow you and you end up dying. This is being happening to me recently and it feels as if there's no point in running dive if your teammates aren't going to follow you to back you up and go together. Another one is awareness. When diving, some of your teammates get picked off when going to dive because they don't pay attention, and I've been watching them which they don't see their surroundings to not get picked off. This happens in high masters games, which I'm not surprised off.
Wewé Freedo did say communication is very important when playing dive, but commitment is another thing that is often overlooked (you can't do this if you're not in this all together, this even apliies in CS:GO, during rushes, even in LE/LEM rank). As for awareness, Freedo also said to take a position before diving to scope out the situation, pick a target, etc.
Using map geography is so important in the current meta - if you main Tracer like I do, knowing the locations of corners, corridors and health packs by heart is ESSENTIAL for escaping fights and staying alive. Similarly, finding diagonal sightlines that allow you to deal damage with little risk can help if you're playing squishies like Genji or Zen
I love this videos since they are entirely audio based with filler gameplay in the background, so I can listen to your content while doing things like homework and not be too distracted
I freakin' love to play dive comp, and I specialized to play the heroes that are important for it, so I can take whatever role's needed. After I've seen Miro on Winston I studied when he engages, and it's true what you say. Often he doesn't jump right into action, instead he jumps on a high ground and waits there for the team to come in. Then he can drop down on them to create a different angle to attack on and has his leap ready whenever he's in trouble. Especially when you play dive against something like Bastion it's important to not just blindly jump in or you'll get shredded. You have to see an opening, the easiest one is to single out a target you can jump on. An Ana/Mercy/Zen too far in the backline or even a flanker you can punish for over extending are openings you have to see, that you don't create.
at 1:36 you mention solo tanking as Winston. I've personally had to do this because someone left in the during a comp game, and we had to hold the first point of Numbani in a 5v6 and we successfully did it with running a solo heal comp with Winston as solo tank. i was basically using my jump ability for breathing room and small amounts of extra damage. very chaotic gameplay, but very effective
Suggestion for your channel" Could you offer a summary of main points as a bullet list in the description? I am listening but sometimes it is complicated and a lot of information so that would be EXTREMELY helpful.
not in overwatch but in awesomenauts, far too often do i see almost the opposite of the wanting healers to fix your mistakes, instead i see them get poked down and expect me to go out of position to heal them after one hit. it's like a game filled with genji
Love the video! I was wondering if you are going to make a new lucio guide, I really want to know how to correctly play him, or if you think the lucio guide you already made would be the same as the new lucio.
Regarding having Lucio and Zen as healers: I find it really difficult to push the final point sometimes. Often you have to use one of their ults offensively, and if the timing isn't right it can be really difficult to make it work. But with an Ana, who can just sit in the far back, because everyone is busy contesting, you can play much more aggressive and make mistakes that are not too big without any consequences.
great video, I'm wondering if you have a video or a guide to help learning how and when to engage properly. One thing I like to do is load a empty skirmish and practice leaping with winston, but this only helps a little as this teaches me where to leap and not when or who to prioritize when I get there.
He's so right about the healing thing everytime I'm in comp even with a sixstack they think that just because I"m playing ana they never die but that's not always the case becasue alot of the time it leaves us exposed and vulnerable it still takes time to heal a few of them lol
I like how all of freedos guides about diving or initiating or anything is always a Winston guide. Winston is the character with the most vids on this channel I swear.
True dive is going Reinhardt on Dorado attack and charging from the upper floor gate at the beginning. Trust me, they don't expect it if you stand out of the way before the gates open, it scares the shit out of them, and I've done it 3 times and gotten at least to the first payload pretty damn fast.
I love this video and think it's a great learning tool. I just wish more people would sub and watch these and apply as there is a lot of this info that is lost in that gold/plat bracket that I live in. Not complaining though because I make a hell of a lot of mistakes myself. It's about learning though and I just enjoy this vids so much. :)
Around 4:30 ish: Can confirm. I'm a Mercy main, and I see tanks die _while I'm healing them_ far too often. Mercy heals at 60 health per second. Mercy's pistol deals 100 DPS. Hell, even a baby DVa deals 98 DPS. Virtually every other character is capable of more DPS than Mercy has HPS. I can heal damage. I can't heal stupid.
i completly agree with you for the healing part if your in a 6stack but in soloqueue nobody listens and peeks and then your better of having alot of healing
Well, the worst thing as a healer (not zen,) is when people spam "I NEED HEALING" when the healers are dead and on their way back. Especially when they aren't in team chat.
3:19, happened exactly in a recent game. Winston was diving and feeding and telling us to kill things. when I said let's wait for rip tyre and then go in. ;(
Also, if you have a Winston and you are mercy, please don't glide on us, we can go in and out and go to you to heal, do not glide to us and put yourself under fire. Also if you're under pressure you know in 4/5 seconds we will be there to help you so DON'T GLIDE TO US
adr202 st-cyr those are normal and OK, I'm talking about when you clearly engage a mercy or zen to unbalance and mercy jumps on you gets picked and your leap is useless
Im VIP Tho thats a more interesting concept that mercy players need to learn, u dont have to heal them if they put themselves in bad spots! You have 4 other team mates to keep alive! Learning this will greatly increase how much you survive as mercy.
As a Mercy main, I need to put something out there. If you are playing a flanker, say Genji or Tracer, your healer isn't always going to follow you. People expect me to pocket them the entire match, and that's not how healers work. I am a priority target, so I need to stay safe as Mercy. That means no going into enemy back lines with you, because I also need to be healing the rest of the team. So please don't expect your healers to always be right on top of you :)
Hopefully people watch this video and realize that dive comp is really not as simple as picking genji, tracer, and Winston and yelling "3, 2, 1 go!" It requires just the right amount of patience, but people think it's really about just being overly-aggressive and hoping the enemies aren't ready.
I almost always try to play pounce style when playing winston, I almost always try to hold back then pounce when I see an opportunity, I try to let teammates engage first.
Simplest points to make a dive comp work. 1. When tanks initiate, get your ass in gear attackers. THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT !2. make sure one healer is zenyatta as his discord ord with Winston/d.va is deadly not to mention the potential damage of a pharah, tracer or genji. Also Zen sticks to high ground or farther back so only flankers on defence would be able to get him. 3. Have a good lucio who knows when to enage with speed boost if rocking genji and tracer for dps. If not Pharmercy all day! Comp is either: Winston. Dva, zen, mercy, pharah and tracer OR Winston, Dva, Zen, Lucio, Tracer and Genji. Climbed from platinum to high masters with these dive comps so best of luck.
My only complaint about overwatch is it's solo que. As of right now, for various reason I can't really use a mic, and don't really know anyone that I could be in a group with for overwatch, so I always have to solo que, and that's just super annoying.
I wish more people watched these videos because it seems that whenever I play comp, my team mates never understand what they are doing. They pick a strat that has worked for pro players and use it, not understanding why or how it actually works. That way they think they are making the right choice but in reality are practically throwing the match. Not only that but if I don't go along with their plans, I'm the one who gets blamed when we don't win.
I play lucio and like you said whenever people take allot of damage and they want to be healed yet nobody will be a second healer and lucio can't heal that good unless he pumps up the volume. That is my side of the whole entire healer thing
I usually cringe when there's a Winston on my team who drops his bubble before jumping but in this video Freedo does it a couple of times to shield his teammates a bit. Winston's bubble is supposed to be used opportunistically and not as some "bad Rein shield". Dropping it at a choke point is a prime example of this. However in my own play i'll almost exclusively use it for myself. When i dive in I drop it in anticipation of incoming hooks and sleep darts to protect myself. I noticed Freedo used it without jumping but by the time he did find an opportunity to dive he had it off cooldown again. Using it more often is something i should work on. Perhaps i'm still used to the old "only goes on cooldown if the bubble is destroyed/expires" version of Winston.
The Rein/Winston main in our group does this all the time. Dives in alone and dies as Winston almost every chance he gets, leaving us behind to fend off a Genji eating our supports alive. Horrible player who's unfortunately being carried from Gold to Diamond.
GotWub Zen is fine for dive because you don't need to be near teammates to heal them. They can jump in and you can hang back for a bit and heal those who need it.
This is impossible to co-ordinate in diamond on the PS4, no one ever uses their microphones and there's always a guy who insta picks hanzo or mccree, and I can't ask him to co-ordinate with other people to go dive comp without messaging him, which most of the time results in toxicity
2 2 2 was the best meta in my opinion because however you mixed things up, you would end up in a semi decent comp. Nowadays, people say yo let's dive and then they pick a Winston, Reaper, Hanzo, Mccree, so when Winston jumps in he has no followup and since he's very bad at the poke wars if Hanzo doesn't get a lucky arrow you lose that engagement as well. The community is so slow on picking up the trends and really understanding how things should work.
It seems like Dive Comp is meant for teams who can communicate and have synergy with each other. Not random where one person have voice chat and half the other players muted him.
One thing I don't understand is when I dive in as winston and gets out when I am about 100-200 health , my ana I healing a dva or a hog that has like full health and not even in the fight.
just the other day, i was solo queueing in rank. i am Zen main, and my team wanted to run dive, so we ran zen and lucio, 2 mins in, winston complained that we needed more healing...i had to switch off Zen, which i am best at...i repicked Mercy thinking i could have mobility to fly around with the team, but then our Lucio switched to Zen... and we lost.sad story
This mainly just effects diamond and above just because plat is rarely ever coordinated enough to focus the same target in a dive comp. Focus fire is really difficult for some reason, and the team doesn't commit with you all the time, making the comp even harder to run. Maybe I'm unlucky, maybe I'm dumb, maybe I'm making stupid calls, idk Probably the last two.
It really doesn't matter how pros play, most people in plat and below don't even have their monitors turned on. You will need more healing than zen/Lucio, flankers constantly over extend, and "just take less damage bro" isn't going to help anyone. The answer is being personally proactive, not trying to teach idiots how to play in the 60 seconds before the game begins, every match.
This morning i watched a winston jump in the middle of six ppl drop his shield ... but the shield only work if the team is outside of the shield ... i like to drop my shield assest positioning wait for the flankers coming after our healers and be where im needed
ive been playing a bunch of Winston lately and I jump in behind a lot, harass/kill squishy heroes/healers and then jump out when I start taking more damage, I won 7/10 of my placements because of it, 2 of those loses were cause I had to play support ana, which I'm not good with
Anyone experiencing this problem with Winston where he uses his jump pack but the impact that is supposed to come after you land comes WHEN U JUMP, and when you actually land, there is no impact (that explosion thing coming out of winston)
Quick and on point, i like it! I often try teaching my teammates about a lot of this both Winston/Genji (mains) and dive in general, and i do it in the most non-toxic way i can without being cocky. And often times i get flamed for doing so. I'm not trying to be an elitist, only trying to help :) ~3300
You said Winston always jumping in is feeding the enemy, but a while ago you guys made a video called Advice you shouldn't listen to and one of them was don't feed the enemy
I often play Winston without a Zarya pocket, and I generally say OK orb me or throw a grenade on me and ill be happy. I make sure the DPS and team are in a position to engage, and I call out 3-5s before I leap so they know to go guns blazing as I do and to move up in preparation. I create space and the team gets quick frags. Esp with a pharah nuking zapped targets, I usually dive the hitscan or supports. But I know I dont need to get frags first time, so I am not afraid to just peel off after shielding, get a bit of cover and heals, jump up, zap, jump back down, just be a PAIN IN THE ASS, and wait for the next big dive push. Master ATM
wouldn't it be cool if road hogs hook reset every time he got a kill or Lucio amp it up reset ever time you got an assist or soldiers helix rocket... you get my point.
that is why i HATE playing Ana, Zen, Lucio or Mercy people always shit on the support 'it's your fault, you dont heal' nothing like having a pocket heal like 76 or Hog...
I think you miss a chance to talk about the mercy problem or rather "we need res" which I donno if that's a huge thing in the higher ranks, but playing with people in bronze it's so annoying to hear people tell you to change to mercy when that's going to remove discord AND a damge source from your defence team that is already short 1 DPS
I have a question: which character should be the first to dive? Would it be winston to jump in first then the genji and tracer follow up or would it be genji/tracer first then winston jumps in after? This problem pops up in my games when we try dive
in silver-high lvl guy picks dps knowing he can do it well 3 other people pick dps because they want to. 5th- guy picks orisa or zarya despite not being able to play them. everybody- we need a healer! 6th guy- hey im gonna go widowmaker or hanzo!
I'm currently in gold and my team will NOT EVEN CONSIDER triple dps and insist on 2/2/2 and then whenever we play against triple dps we get destroyed and my team is just wondering how we POSSIBLY could have lost to a team with three dps. It annoys the living HECK out of me (And yes I know triple dps isn't the only viable comp, I just don't see it quite enough when it's usually better in gold than 2/2/2)
I'm usually on par with all your videos and game theory. This video is prompting me to actually comment as I like to address the healing portion. As someone that can play any character but prefers to main healers, I tend to sit back and watch how the comp is preforming. Since I don't have to hyper focus and in fact need to be aware of the larger picture at all times, it leads me into a common position of play/target calling and and comp changing. When I see the overextending happening and there is nothing you can do to reel others in, calling for "more heals" sometimes isn't a bad call. Sometimes picking up and patching the "mistakes" others are making is all you need with the overly offensive play style your comp forcefully adopted. I have lead teams to victory after crushing rounds just by changing one role to a 2nd healer. That said, be aware of not just your comp, but how your comp is functioning during the match. Read the struggle and adjust where you team is actually flexible.
I think Winston is one of the hardest character to play, one jump can just mess up and screw himself over. I started playing Winston because of dive, idk how he's gonna be when reaper buff comes in too Orz. I'm still learning my jumps ^^;
Dive comp is amazing but in this video freedo breaks down some misconceptions and how to avoid them! Let us know what you think and be sure to drop a Like & Subscribe if you enjoyed!
Your Overwatch FIRST REPLY ON THIS???
1st reply?
Your Overwatch I dived on the like
I always wind up trying to urge my team to play aggressively and get together, but instead they always get engaged in poke battles and die before the entire team can even group up. If there was one point where I'd say boosting is okay, it's when literally nothing you can do as a main tank can make up for retarded teammates...
Your Overwatch how do you win from torb symm
Freedo is great. When Freedo makes a video it's straight to the point, just as long as it needs to be to get the point across, and very well layed out and easy to understand. Keep up the great work man!
Leap as the best mobility thing in the game?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2 words: Combat. Roll.
How hero selection in bronze works:
*I pick dps because I'm a dps main.*
*4 other teammates pick dps hoping the last guy goes Mercy.*
*Last guy picks Hanzo*
Jeff & Co. should build an algorithm to cross your hero playtime with your team comp when you leave a game.
"OK, this guy left this match. Let's see... 30 hours of Mercy, 20 of Zen, and his team was running 5dps. Fair enough. Who wouldn't leave?"
Or if you're in Diamond.
Pick Winston, some guys tilts and demands Rein.
You're then the solo tank with no healer.
You then get forced to play healer.
Some guy tilts cause he's a genji main who didn't get genji, goes Torb.
You lose point 1, someone tilts and plays Sym with a tele going off a cliff
All of the above has happened to me at diamond in COMP. One guy who threw insisted he was Master level but it was cause our team couldn't aim, me especially (i was on Rein with only Fire Strike to aim properly LOL).
Its awful at all levels. Rant over
If you auto pick dps, you deserve it.
How it works on xbox regardless of the rank:
Absolutely no one joins voice chat, i play healer and make sure to pick first...yet i still get a hanzo, a widow, a torb, a mcree and a junkrat!
weird, thats how diamond works at least 50% of time
When you said piñata it made me think of zenyatta. They should have a "pinyatta" skin for him
Evan W That's actually really cool XD
How do you counter a Dive comp?, got ran thru twice against it yesterday.
Brendan Lemke bunch together. The dice relies on someone straying away, then pouncing. This having essentially a 6v5 fight. They can't get you as easily if you play together
Reaper, roadhog
there are many ways, all situational of course. You can run Sombra to hack the initial divers, Roadhog to hook whoever dives your backline, McCree can stun them.. You can even run your own dive, pick a winston and dive them as they dive you etc. The thing with dive is that it often requires more teamwork than a normal tank slow push comp, so if you can take advantage of that and perhaps engage them right when they dive you, you might get the upper hand by capturing them off guard. Also Zen is great for discording divers, and deals a lot of damage too so basically you have an extra dps character to help out.
Torbjörn and symmetra are good at stoping it.
Brendan Lemke mei can freeze and stop winston when he dives on your team and makes it easier for your team to focus him junkrat can do the same thing with his trap
So glad you guys made this video! I've seen a lot of dive comps lately and I think this will bring many players more success as more people tend to understand it!
love these videos.
I always love when freedo gives dive advice. Winston is my second main and I always learn something when he talks about how he plays Winston
To me the biggest misconception is when your teammates don't dive with you when everyone is grouped and everyone is ready to go because when you are the main tank, you dive where you see your teammates can follow but instead they just stay back/don't follow you and you end up dying. This is being happening to me recently and it feels as if there's no point in running dive if your teammates aren't going to follow you to back you up and go together.
Another one is awareness. When diving, some of your teammates get picked off when going to dive because they don't pay attention, and I've been watching them which they don't see their surroundings to not get picked off.
This happens in high masters games, which I'm not surprised off.
Wewé Freedo did say communication is very important when playing dive, but commitment is another thing that is often overlooked (you can't do this if you're not in this all together, this even apliies in CS:GO, during rushes, even in LE/LEM rank).
As for awareness, Freedo also said to take a position before diving to scope out the situation, pick a target, etc.
Using map geography is so important in the current meta - if you main Tracer like I do, knowing the locations of corners, corridors and health packs by heart is ESSENTIAL for escaping fights and staying alive. Similarly, finding diagonal sightlines that allow you to deal damage with little risk can help if you're playing squishies like Genji or Zen
I love this videos since they are entirely audio based with filler gameplay in the background, so I can listen to your content while doing things like homework and not be too distracted
Thank you I've been needing this so much.
The main reason why your dive comp isn't working: you probably have a guy who insta picked Hanzo 👌🏾
Hanzo is good in any team comp
Ryp Gaming fuk hanzo
Ryp Gaming ugh all this hanzo hate is getting old...
R Ramses lul the funny thing is I'm a Hanzo main and I find the constant Hanzo jokes hilarious
Hanzo works well in triple dps, which is a type of dive. He deals a shit ton of damage to Winston too.
I freakin' love to play dive comp, and I specialized to play the heroes that are important for it, so I can take whatever role's needed. After I've seen Miro on Winston I studied when he engages, and it's true what you say. Often he doesn't jump right into action, instead he jumps on a high ground and waits there for the team to come in. Then he can drop down on them to create a different angle to attack on and has his leap ready whenever he's in trouble.
Especially when you play dive against something like Bastion it's important to not just blindly jump in or you'll get shredded. You have to see an opening, the easiest one is to single out a target you can jump on. An Ana/Mercy/Zen too far in the backline or even a flanker you can punish for over extending are openings you have to see, that you don't create.
at 1:36 you mention solo tanking as Winston. I've personally had to do this because someone left in the during a comp game, and we had to hold the first point of Numbani in a 5v6 and we successfully did it with running a solo heal comp with Winston as solo tank. i was basically using my jump ability for breathing room and small amounts of extra damage. very chaotic gameplay, but very effective
What deep dank basement have you locked up Eddie in pls
Suggestion for your channel" Could you offer a summary of main points as a bullet list in the description? I am listening but sometimes it is complicated and a lot of information so that would be EXTREMELY helpful.
not in overwatch but in awesomenauts, far too often do i see almost the opposite of the wanting healers to fix your mistakes, instead i see them get poked down and expect me to go out of position to heal them after one hit. it's like a game filled with genji
probably the best advice on this channel I've seen. great job
Great video and as a Lucio main I thank you for including the last misconception.
Love the video! I was wondering if you are going to make a new lucio guide, I really want to know how to correctly play him, or if you think the lucio guide you already made would be the same as the new lucio.
Regarding having Lucio and Zen as healers: I find it really difficult to push the final point sometimes. Often you have to use one of their ults offensively, and if the timing isn't right it can be really difficult to make it work. But with an Ana, who can just sit in the far back, because everyone is busy contesting, you can play much more aggressive and make mistakes that are not too big without any consequences.
great video, I'm wondering if you have a video or a guide to help learning how and when to engage properly. One thing I like to do is load a empty skirmish and practice leaping with winston, but this only helps a little as this teaches me where to leap and not when or who to prioritize when I get there.
He's so right about the healing thing everytime I'm in comp even with a sixstack they think that just because I"m playing ana they never die but that's not always the case becasue alot of the time it leaves us exposed and vulnerable it still takes time to heal a few of them lol
I like how all of freedos guides about diving or initiating or anything is always a Winston guide. Winston is the character with the most vids on this channel I swear.
doggotbitm no. its the stupid update vids
True dive is going Reinhardt on Dorado attack and charging from the upper floor gate at the beginning. Trust me, they don't expect it if you stand out of the way before the gates open, it scares the shit out of them, and I've done it 3 times and gotten at least to the first payload pretty damn fast.
Great and informative video AS always
as a zen and lucio player, 4:13 almost made me cry
I love this video and think it's a great learning tool. I just wish more people would sub and watch these and apply as there is a lot of this info that is lost in that gold/plat bracket that I live in. Not complaining though because I make a hell of a lot of mistakes myself. It's about learning though and I just enjoy this vids so much. :)
Around 4:30 ish:
Can confirm. I'm a Mercy main, and I see tanks die _while I'm healing them_ far too often.
Mercy heals at 60 health per second. Mercy's pistol deals 100 DPS. Hell, even a baby DVa deals 98 DPS. Virtually every other character is capable of more DPS than Mercy has HPS.
I can heal damage. I can't heal stupid.
Manabender lol
i completly agree with you for the healing part if your in a 6stack but in soloqueue nobody listens and peeks and then your better of having alot of healing
Started playing Winston more because of all this gameplay ^^ Thanks Freedo
Well, the worst thing as a healer (not zen,) is when people spam "I NEED HEALING" when the healers are dead and on their way back. Especially when they aren't in team chat.
3:19, happened exactly in a recent game. Winston was diving and feeding and telling us to kill things. when I said let's wait for rip tyre and then go in. ;(
Junkrat in dive? Haven't heard of that one before 🤔
EZPZ sorry. Meant the enemy rip tyre
Sorry, but it's a tire. I'm one of _those_ people...
Delta I am not America though. Aussies spell it tyre.
May be a series on how to dive at specific maps. Like that series you did previously.
Also, if you have a Winston and you are mercy, please don't glide on us, we can go in and out and go to you to heal, do not glide to us and put yourself under fire. Also if you're under pressure you know in 4/5 seconds we will be there to help you so DON'T GLIDE TO US
What if they do it to get in the air away from tracer or flanking enemies that are taking advantage of you jumping away at that momment?
adr202 st-cyr those are normal and OK, I'm talking about when you clearly engage a mercy or zen to unbalance and mercy jumps on you gets picked and your leap is useless
I like to glide to Winston at the peaks of his jumps
as a tracer main who plays a bunch of winston too, in 4/5 seconds, your supports are as good as dead hahah
Im VIP Tho thats a more interesting concept that mercy players need to learn, u dont have to heal them if they put themselves in bad spots! You have 4 other team mates to keep alive! Learning this will greatly increase how much you survive as mercy.
As a Mercy main, I need to put something out there. If you are playing a flanker, say Genji or Tracer, your healer isn't always going to follow you. People expect me to pocket them the entire match, and that's not how healers work. I am a priority target, so I need to stay safe as Mercy. That means no going into enemy back lines with you, because I also need to be healing the rest of the team. So please don't expect your healers to always be right on top of you :)
Hopefully people watch this video and realize that dive comp is really not as simple as picking genji, tracer, and Winston and yelling "3, 2, 1 go!" It requires just the right amount of patience, but people think it's really about just being overly-aggressive and hoping the enemies aren't ready.
That was legit a good guide my man, tnx
Thx for mentioning that healers cant always save you, now i can show this to the people calling me a bad Lúcio for not healing 24/7
I almost always try to play pounce style when playing winston, I almost always try to hold back then pounce when I see an opportunity, I try to let teammates engage first.
Simplest points to make a dive comp work. 1. When tanks initiate, get your ass in gear attackers. THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT !2. make sure one healer is zenyatta as his discord ord with Winston/d.va is deadly not to mention the potential damage of a pharah, tracer or genji. Also Zen sticks to high ground or farther back so only flankers on defence would be able to get him. 3. Have a good lucio who knows when to enage with speed boost if rocking genji and tracer for dps. If not Pharmercy all day! Comp is either: Winston. Dva, zen, mercy, pharah and tracer OR Winston, Dva, Zen, Lucio, Tracer and Genji. Climbed from platinum to high masters with these dive comps so best of luck.
My only complaint about overwatch is it's solo que. As of right now, for various reason I can't really use a mic, and don't really know anyone that I could be in a group with for overwatch, so I always have to solo que, and that's just super annoying.
I wish more people watched these videos because it seems that whenever I play comp, my team mates never understand what they are doing. They pick a strat that has worked for pro players and use it, not understanding why or how it actually works. That way they think they are making the right choice but in reality are practically throwing the match. Not only that but if I don't go along with their plans, I'm the one who gets blamed when we don't win.
I play lucio and like you said whenever people take allot of damage and they want to be healed yet nobody will be a second healer and lucio can't heal that good unless he pumps up the volume. That is my side of the whole entire healer thing
I dived too deep, and now I'm dead.
Winston, not Ana, is the true bringer of delicious confections!
Sombra: Pfft, I alone debunk dive comps.
Boop.
I usually cringe when there's a Winston on my team who drops his bubble before jumping but in this video Freedo does it a couple of times to shield his teammates a bit. Winston's bubble is supposed to be used opportunistically and not as some "bad Rein shield". Dropping it at a choke point is a prime example of this.
However in my own play i'll almost exclusively use it for myself. When i dive in I drop it in anticipation of incoming hooks and sleep darts to protect myself. I noticed Freedo used it without jumping but by the time he did find an opportunity to dive he had it off cooldown again. Using it more often is something i should work on.
Perhaps i'm still used to the old "only goes on cooldown if the bubble is destroyed/expires" version of Winston.
Azhar Hussain I think you have the better mindset though, better to have it and not need it than to need it and it be on cooldown.
The Rein/Winston main in our group does this all the time. Dives in alone and dies as Winston almost every chance he gets, leaving us behind to fend off a Genji eating our supports alive. Horrible player who's unfortunately being carried from Gold to Diamond.
Bearzy55 i never knew genji was a canninbal...maybe the robotic stuff did something to his head...or stomach?
This is Not even a Guide but now I know how to play Winston lol Thx
I got in a game earlier and my teamates said "let's go dive comp" then continued to choose roadhog, zarya, mercy, and zenyata...
GotWub that aint too bad just move hogo for winston
GotWub Zen is fine for dive because you don't need to be near teammates to heal them. They can jump in and you can hang back for a bit and heal those who need it.
This is impossible to co-ordinate in diamond on the PS4, no one ever uses their microphones and there's always a guy who insta picks hanzo or mccree, and I can't ask him to co-ordinate with other people to go dive comp without messaging him, which most of the time results in toxicity
2 2 2 was the best meta in my opinion because however you mixed things up, you would end up in a semi decent comp. Nowadays, people say yo let's dive and then they pick a Winston, Reaper, Hanzo, Mccree, so when Winston jumps in he has no followup and since he's very bad at the poke wars if Hanzo doesn't get a lucky arrow you lose that engagement as well.
The community is so slow on picking up the trends and really understanding how things should work.
I've been having so much fun playing zen in dive lately lol
I played with some guy who had less than an hour on winston and he just kept jumping on the point, feeding, and then flame us
It seems like Dive Comp is meant for teams who can communicate and have synergy with each other. Not random where one person have voice chat and half the other players muted him.
Had a Winston on my team that kept diving their Rein and roadhog alone then complained the healers weren't saving him
One thing I don't understand is when I dive in as winston and gets out when I am about 100-200 health , my ana I healing a dva or a hog that has like full health and not even in the fight.
I think this may have given me a little insight as to why my winston games have been so bad lately
just the other day, i was solo queueing in rank. i am Zen main, and my team wanted to run dive, so we ran zen and lucio, 2 mins in, winston complained that we needed more healing...i had to switch off Zen, which i am best at...i repicked Mercy thinking i could have mobility to fly around with the team, but then our Lucio switched to Zen... and we lost.sad story
This mainly just effects diamond and above just because plat is rarely ever coordinated enough to focus the same target in a dive comp. Focus fire is really difficult for some reason, and the team doesn't commit with you all the time, making the comp even harder to run. Maybe I'm unlucky, maybe I'm dumb, maybe I'm making stupid calls, idk
Probably the last two.
Block Lance idk. but it rlly feels like a lot of the teams i get here in 1900 are really friendly amd communicate A LOT. its so crazy
1:36 this is so minor but why would u ever stand still like cmoooonnnn bruh!
I think a lot of people don't know the different between playing "Agressive" and just playing recklessly
yessss finallyyyy u said it!!!
also bastion for dive comps!!!! hes perfect for the dive comp!!
It really doesn't matter how pros play, most people in plat and below don't even have their monitors turned on. You will need more healing than zen/Lucio, flankers constantly over extend, and "just take less damage bro" isn't going to help anyone. The answer is being personally proactive, not trying to teach idiots how to play in the 60 seconds before the game begins, every match.
This morning i watched a winston jump in the middle of six ppl drop his shield ... but the shield only work if the team is outside of the shield ... i like to drop my shield assest positioning wait for the flankers coming after our healers and be where im needed
ive been playing a bunch of Winston lately and I jump in behind a lot, harass/kill squishy heroes/healers and then jump out when I start taking more damage, I won 7/10 of my placements because of it, 2 of those loses were cause I had to play support ana, which I'm not good with
Video Game Addict sometimes you're forced to
The first thing we'll jump into ahhh freedo i see what you did there
Says jump as he jumps ^^ 0:20
Anyone experiencing this problem with Winston where he uses his jump pack but the impact that is supposed to come after you land comes WHEN U JUMP, and when you actually land, there is no impact (that explosion thing coming out of winston)
" you shouldnt have an ana" he says 10 seconds before getting nano boosted in his dive comp
Is there any specific thing healer is dive comp need to take note? or they play the same way as if they are in a normal comp?
Lmao at 6:15 the tracer is one of my battlenet friends
Quick and on point, i like it! I often try teaching my teammates about a lot of this both Winston/Genji (mains) and dive in general, and i do it in the most non-toxic way i can without being cocky. And often times i get flamed for doing so. I'm not trying to be an elitist, only trying to help :) ~3300
You said Winston always jumping in is feeding the enemy, but a while ago you guys made a video called Advice you shouldn't listen to and one of them was don't feed the enemy
if you guys are up for it, i would be very interested in a video about identifying good targets/timings to dive
I often play Winston without a Zarya pocket, and I generally say OK orb me or throw a grenade on me and ill be happy.
I make sure the DPS and team are in a position to engage, and I call out 3-5s before I leap so they know to go guns blazing as I do and to move up in preparation. I create space and the team gets quick frags. Esp with a pharah nuking zapped targets, I usually dive the hitscan or supports. But I know I dont need to get frags first time, so I am not afraid to just peel off after shielding, get a bit of cover and heals, jump up, zap, jump back down, just be a PAIN IN THE ASS, and wait for the next big dive push. Master ATM
wouldnt it be cool if winstons jump was like genjis dash how it resets if you get a kill
It wouldn't and you know that.
Winston is powerful enough as it is, that would be overkill.
Stellan Page Winston is almost op right now, he doesn't need a buff
wouldn't it be cool if road hogs hook reset every time he got a kill or Lucio amp it up reset ever time you got an assist or soldiers helix rocket... you get my point.
I think he means like final blow. it only does fifty damage anyways
that is why i HATE playing Ana, Zen, Lucio or Mercy people always shit on the support 'it's your fault, you dont heal'
nothing like having a pocket heal like 76 or Hog...
I think you miss a chance to talk about the mercy problem or rather "we need res" which I donno if that's a huge thing in the higher ranks, but playing with people in bronze it's so annoying to hear people tell you to change to mercy when that's going to remove discord AND a damge source from your defence team that is already short 1 DPS
This was actually a good video.
very helpfull video, thx!
I have a question: which character should be the first to dive? Would it be winston to jump in first then the genji and tracer follow up or would it be genji/tracer first then winston jumps in after? This problem pops up in my games when we try dive
*Sorry for diving in*
Finally someone understands when I play Ana and the rine charges away out of my los 🙃
Can you do a video of proper comms?
i hate when that people expect u the healer heal them when they are alone.
Are there any websites that talk about stuff like offensive comps?
Terry Crews just has to use a cheesy one liner and he wins the dive comp no matter what. Plus Doomfist even when he's playing Mercy...
"Pinyatta" how i feel playing solo heal as zen in qp
in silver-high lvl guy picks dps knowing he can do it well 3 other people pick dps because they want to. 5th- guy picks orisa or zarya despite not being able to play them. everybody- we need a healer! 6th guy- hey im gonna go widowmaker or hanzo!
But If Enemy team doesnt have dive comp should I still wait or jump in first?
I'm currently in gold and my team will NOT EVEN CONSIDER triple dps and insist on 2/2/2 and then whenever we play against triple dps we get destroyed and my team is just wondering how we POSSIBLY could have lost to a team with three dps. It annoys the living HECK out of me
(And yes I know triple dps isn't the only viable comp, I just don't see it quite enough when it's usually better in gold than 2/2/2)
I'm usually on par with all your videos and game theory. This video is prompting me to actually comment as I like to address the healing portion. As someone that can play any character but prefers to main healers, I tend to sit back and watch how the comp is preforming. Since I don't have to hyper focus and in fact need to be aware of the larger picture at all times, it leads me into a common position of play/target calling and and comp changing. When I see the overextending happening and there is nothing you can do to reel others in, calling for "more heals" sometimes isn't a bad call. Sometimes picking up and patching the "mistakes" others are making is all you need with the overly offensive play style your comp forcefully adopted. I have lead teams to victory after crushing rounds just by changing one role to a 2nd healer.
That said, be aware of not just your comp, but how your comp is functioning during the match. Read the struggle and adjust where you team is actually flexible.
I watch winstons at high plat/low diamond jump in by themselves and immediately drop their barrier. They get rekt. Every. Single. Time.
I imagine peanut butter popping out of Winston instead of candy.
Is torb good on 2cp second point?
I think Winston is one of the hardest character to play, one jump can just mess up and screw himself over. I started playing Winston because of dive, idk how he's gonna be when reaper buff comes in too Orz. I'm still learning my jumps ^^;