@@ekklesiaillusion Sequential gearboxes aren't particularly hard on clutches. This is very similar to what you see in motorcycle transmissions. Clutch wear takes places when you're slipping it. You're not slipping anything if you're doing clutches shifts.
@@opmike343 Got it in one - clutch to pull away and pull up - it's quicker and causes less wear. Now fit a Kliktronic to it - kills power to coil pack for milliseconds, taking load off of the drivetrain and shifts for you... keep the throttle planted, press the button and done.
@@ekklesiaillusion well if i spent $9k on a tranny and I gotta drop it to replace it, I'm gonna be upgrading the clutch anyway.. because chances are if I'm spending $9k on a trans, then i'm gonna have some engine work done already or planned.
@@killiancarles9870 i wouldn't think so unless you're being really aggressive, almost all motorcycles use this sort of transmission. more expensive ones come with a quick shifter (clutchless shifting while on the throttle) and the fancier ones come with quick shifter for downshifts too (auto-blip)
@@moomilkboy that's how long the sequential lasted on my gt3, lasted about 60h of street driving, nothing harsh, but the first gear starts in the city are a little hard on the clutch...
This need to be made for the Focus ST. I see alot of things being done for the RS but us Enthusiasts with the STs would like these options too. So awesome guys keep it up
Having driven a car with a sequential, they’re absolutely terrible in every situation other than full throttle, max RPM upshifts. Also the clutch is usually a nightmare to pull away with. Fitting a sequential would ruin the car in every situation other than flat out track driving
Youri Dv bikes are only about 300kg including the rider and as such the inertia of the bike, plus the inertia of a much smaller gearbox is tiny by comparison. You also only have one tiny contact patch. Compare that with a 1500kg car, with 4wd and a gear set capable of dealing with 500Nm torque and 375bhp and you start to see why there’s such a difference
@@ArosaMike Thanks but all you did was sum up the differences between bikes and cars. I don't see an explanation or anything relating the differences to the different behaviour. Thank you for trying to help but yeah.. think I can see that a car is bigger and torqueier
Youri Dv ?? Then you answered your own question already. It’s simple physics. A bigger car has more inertia, and more torque, so needs a stronger heavier drive train to cope. Moving the drive train around when changing gear takes more force as there’s more gear mass to move and higher loads in the gearbox. It’s that simple. If a gearbox has a higher torque capacity, the gears and dogs are bigger, their inertia is higher and the engagement has to be more robust.
@@Moore_Jono think we have a winner. Your Probably right. Trans sounds awesome but haven't heard of to many people full tracking these. Heard the diffs overheat on track days and 9k is crazy.
@@frederikhalbro2622 shift times greatly depend on multiple other factors, including the fuel cut times and the likes. The difference between the dog engagement and a Dual Clutch box shift time is negligible. Advantages of a dog box, sequential or not, are weight savings and sturdiness at the expense of harshness and noise. DCTs offer ease of use, fast shifts and comfort at the expense of weight, complexity and longer shifts when shifting more than 1 gear at a time. For anything but track use, DCTs will offer the better deal. If you're going for track focused cars, go with a dog box.
I love how the tech explains a synchronized tyranny to a non-sychronized far to complicated all he has to say it if your a truck driver you'll feel right at home with this tyranny add on 😂😂😂😂😂
Seriously. At this point, just buy a car with a twin clutch already installed. Is the RS that great of a track car that it necessitates a sequential gearbox?
Hellobooom "TheMadRatter add 1000kg to the bike then it might be a fair comparison." GL1500 Goldwing with Watsonian Squire Oxford sidecar, watsonian squire DX4 trailer 'cruising' at 125mph down the Autobahn on our tour of Europe with 4 people on board... I'm not using my FZ6 or similar as an example but a fairly weighted bike with heavy accessories and our gear for a 3 month trip... The bike's now on well over 400,000 miles. I reckon that's a fair comparison.
@@skurtov I agree it's somewhat different on a car but there are still bikes like the Triumph Rocket III with its ~200nm of torque as stock, using a much more compact, and lighter gearbox. The GL1500 I was using had a horizontally opposed 6 cylinder engine with about 170nm of torque. The first cars had sequential shifters, motorbikes have sequential shifters - hell, even some of the Boss Hoss bikes have been converted to sequentials... My mate runs a 1.9tdi VW engine through a BMW K100 sequential gearbox on his bike, that's ~270nm. My stepdad runs a highly modified triumph rocket on a stock gearbox and clutch, never had any problems racing and has hit the double ton with it. Countless rally cars use sequential gearboxes They're not "fragile", and I'd wager, if you're used to grenading gearboxes or watching shows which grenade their boxes - you're watching the wrong builders or driving it wrong yourself :)
@@the_mad_ratter It's not really about the fragility. It's about the fact that dog engagement transmission are really hard on components, since you're basically slamming the gears together. There's a reason why manufacturers all around the world use synchronized transmissions, because there is significantly more longevity to them. Whereas on a car it needs to work day in day out for up to 150k miles. Now, of course metallurgy has significantly improved the feasibility of the sequential since there are stronger metals. But you can't fight physics. Secondly, Motorcycle transmissions from my experience are much easier to rebuild, and on top of that you're not typically putting 100k+ miles on it. Also, their engines do not typically make peak torque at low RPM's. Whereas in this case, a turbo charged Focus making it at 2200, 2500RPM? It's quite a shock loading on the drivetrain. Also the simple fact that rally cars use this transmission doesn't change anything. Rally cars use them for a couple races and then are rebuilding them after that, they have the resources and they have the time and ability. Not saying you don't know anything about them, but Donut does a really good video on the pros and cons. th-cam.com/video/RikzgmPvmnE/w-d-xo.html
@@nicholasbaldwin1674 I don't really know anything about this transmission but as a good rule of thumb if it says it's for "track use", that probably means it'll wear out very fast so it's not worth daily driving
this wasn't covered well. do I downshift like normal with the clutch and gas, or is there an auto blip function available that is fast enough to keep up with this trans? also, what is lifetime like
this could in theory be used on an mk1 focus if you have the duratec engine, as the duratec engines use the same bell housing design as the ecoboost engines. However im not 100 percent sure on fitment around the subframe or the transmission mounting locations.
@@andrewb1034 they are similar but very different. See Jeff Bosse on FB, he swapped an ecoboost drivetrain into a mk1 and it is almost completely custom.
SevensGaming the swap can be done 100 percent using the st/ecoboost drivetrain. Only thing that may need to be changed is the axles depending on what hub you choose to run. The ecoboost is the same bellhousing so you can run the mtx75 also with an ecoboost swap. Thus in theory you could run this transmission as long as it clears the front subframe with the ptu.
My understanding from other videos on youtube is that you can clutchless shift a dog box without any fancy ecu, you just have to lift off the throttle real quick before an upshift and be skilled at rev matching the downshift with a quick blip of the throttle.
Hey Mountune, from your other responses, it appears that the trans that your developing for the RS mk2 (m66 trans) might work for a AWD conversion for my volvo C30?
The M66 used for those is FWD so no it wouldn't work. There is a difference in the right hand axle output that either fits AWD or doesn't. The M66 they have doesn't have the AWD compatibility. That being said if you have them an AWD transmission case I can't see why it wouldn't work throwing the FWD guts into the AWD casing. But I don't know enough about what mountune does inside the casing
Hi J Irvine, Thanks for you reply, I purchased a awd m66 from the awd s40 and I have the j14 LSD for that trans. I hear that the internal are the same for both fwd and awd trans the only difference is the passenger side axle and output casing on that side. I was hoping that the quiafe internals would work for both trans.
I need this for my daily.... can you send me one for testing purposes? I will see if it will last 80k. I put that on my car in 3 years. I could do more if needed :)
This is really for converting a street car with an H pattern manual for track use or off road rallying, etc. And you definitely don’t want this if you already have a dual clutch DSG type tranny in your daily drive street car
Ppl often ask "do i need a aftermarket ecu to run this transmission?" 😂😂😂 that wouldn't be my 1st question. I think 9/10 Ppl are gonna ask "how much" 🤔🤔🤓🤓
how come in one part of the video (4:25) you say that you have to press the clutch for 1, 2, 3, etc.... but later (5:00) you say you can just shift through the gears without touching the clutch? which is it?
because hes driving at much higher RPMS. this is a racing shifter. so its designed to eliminate the time needed to push the clutch find the gear and release the clutch at high speeds.
price starting at your soul and first born child?
$9k for trans, then need geartronix system for shifts, then install time, and likely the stock clutch will not last to long with this.
@@ekklesiaillusion Sequential gearboxes aren't particularly hard on clutches. This is very similar to what you see in motorcycle transmissions. Clutch wear takes places when you're slipping it. You're not slipping anything if you're doing clutches shifts.
@@opmike343 exactly. The wear comes from friction which includes but is not limited to, bad driving hahaha. Fiesta ST gang chirping in here
@@opmike343 Got it in one - clutch to pull away and pull up - it's quicker and causes less wear.
Now fit a Kliktronic to it - kills power to coil pack for milliseconds, taking load off of the drivetrain and shifts for you... keep the throttle planted, press the button and done.
@@ekklesiaillusion well if i spent $9k on a tranny and I gotta drop it to replace it, I'm gonna be upgrading the clutch anyway.. because chances are if I'm spending $9k on a trans, then i'm gonna have some engine work done already or planned.
Not a bad way to spend 9 grand. Absolutely pointless unless you’re racing
Needs to get replaced every 100h or so of drive time... What's the point
@@killiancarles9870 i wouldn't think so unless you're being really aggressive, almost all motorcycles use this sort of transmission. more expensive ones come with a quick shifter (clutchless shifting while on the throttle) and the fancier ones come with quick shifter for downshifts too (auto-blip)
@@moomilkboy that's how long the sequential lasted on my gt3, lasted about 60h of street driving, nothing harsh, but the first gear starts in the city are a little hard on the clutch...
@@killiancarles9870 So new transmission ever head gasket?
@@WarhorseS197 Everyone knows about the German reliability😂😂
I believe one day, sequential gearboxes will save the manual.
yes siree
Nice. But I think the gear indicator should be on the dashboard, so you don't have to look down which is kinda dangerous.
Nice explanation of Dog-engagement, really appreciate it. If you & Quaife produce a dog-sequential box for the Fiesta ST Mk7 & Mk8 (UK) I’m in.
Don't forget the Mk5✌️
This need to be made for the Focus ST. I see alot of things being done for the RS but us Enthusiasts with the STs would like these options too. So awesome guys keep it up
These can be mated to the st as well I checked with mountune
Do y’all know how much this whole thing would cost the transmission, and the shifter
if you're spending this kind of money on your st you need to just get an rs
@@bilboswaggens2975 FWD class race car?
Stop making these mods . Your going to skint me ha !
Having driven a car with a sequential, they’re absolutely terrible in every situation other than full throttle, max RPM upshifts. Also the clutch is usually a nightmare to pull away with. Fitting a sequential would ruin the car in every situation other than flat out track driving
That’s the point I hope, race track is the main use for sequential anyways
Always wondered why sequential cars are so hopeless. Motorcycles are always sequential and I love the way my bike pulls away and changes gear
Youri Dv bikes are only about 300kg including the rider and as such the inertia of the bike, plus the inertia of a much smaller gearbox is tiny by comparison. You also only have one tiny contact patch. Compare that with a 1500kg car, with 4wd and a gear set capable of dealing with 500Nm torque and 375bhp and you start to see why there’s such a difference
@@ArosaMike Thanks but all you did was sum up the differences between bikes and cars. I don't see an explanation or anything relating the differences to the different behaviour. Thank you for trying to help but yeah.. think I can see that a car is bigger and torqueier
Youri Dv ?? Then you answered your own question already. It’s simple physics. A bigger car has more inertia, and more torque, so needs a stronger heavier drive train to cope. Moving the drive train around when changing gear takes more force as there’s more gear mass to move and higher loads in the gearbox. It’s that simple. If a gearbox has a higher torque capacity, the gears and dogs are bigger, their inertia is higher and the engagement has to be more robust.
Are there any updates regarding availability? Would buy one in a heartbeat 🤣
I'm definitely getting one!
Right after I can afford an RS
Can't wait to hear the ST225 gearbox whine!! So excited for one in the Time attack car
Regardless of cost, complexity, etc.... It's awesome.
Any chance the Focus ST is getting this?
Update: fits ST and RS. Retails at $8,999.00 = Holy sh!t.
It's a transmission
What are you expecting?
@@stillnottellingyoumyname8193 Was expecting less, a lot less but than again I always under estimate prices.
@@Rancho.Jimenez 9k for a sequential gear box is actually really cheap
More like $11,500 now and still no release date
i love that shit eating grin he has on his face right when the video starts
How do I volunteer my car as a Mule for mountune?
It's awesome and great work to you mountune. But i will stay to the best H-Pattern.
What's that number next to the gear display?
Looks like a shift counter. When he put it in first to take off it went from 39 to 40. Just a guess
@@ltbullitt35 , Maybe, but it went from 39 to 40 to 39 in the first shift sequence they show.
I think that small number is the gearbox’s own oil temperature. Indicating temperature of the transmission fluid.
@@Moore_Jono , That's probably it. It's listed as an option on the website. Good call!
@@Moore_Jono think we have a winner. Your Probably right. Trans sounds awesome but haven't heard of to many people full tracking these. Heard the diffs overheat on track days and 9k is crazy.
Can this be bought for a Fiesta ST 2019
I checked and it fits on the ST... but with discounts on the car my ST is barely double the value of the transmission
Very very nice. Good Job Guys. Greetings from Germany
Does Launch Control still function with this, as well as the drift stick?
I don't see why it wouldn't, you still have to use the clutch all the same to get going.
That a no brainer tbh
It's a five speed box. Also available as a paddle shifter.
with no syncros how often do the dogs need to be replaced
Something for @shmee his project car?
How to go to reverse?
Are you making on for the ST?
How long do these last in between rebuild intervals?
will it fit in my 03 lancer😏
Is there a lockout for neutral the same way as there is for reverse? So that if you accidentally go one to many down you don’t get neitral
The real question is why would anyone spend money on a Focus?
Not just any focus. When you drive one you forget your in a Ford focus. Especially when you can keep up with Porsches at the track.
Does this shift faster than a dual clutch gear box? E.g. The PDK gearbox in a Porsche 911 Turbo S?
It's better than a regular synchronized gear box but not even close to as fast as a dct
@@frederikhalbro2622 shift times greatly depend on multiple other factors, including the fuel cut times and the likes. The difference between the dog engagement and a Dual Clutch box shift time is negligible. Advantages of a dog box, sequential or not, are weight savings and sturdiness at the expense of harshness and noise. DCTs offer ease of use, fast shifts and comfort at the expense of weight, complexity and longer shifts when shifting more than 1 gear at a time.
For anything but track use, DCTs will offer the better deal. If you're going for track focused cars, go with a dog box.
The speed is similar if the sequential transmission is pneumatically controlled
How often does it have to be rebuilt? Dog engagement doesn't last forever.
I love how the tech explains a synchronized tyranny to a non-sychronized far to complicated all he has to say it if your a truck driver you'll feel right at home with this tyranny add on 😂😂😂😂😂
Or you could get a Golf R with DSG and never have to even think about putting a sequential transmission in the car 🤷♂️
Seriously. At this point, just buy a car with a twin clutch already installed. Is the RS that great of a track car that it necessitates a sequential gearbox?
Jesus how many miles or shifts can you get out of this thing before it implodes?
How many miles or shifts do motorbikes do/make?
Hellobooom "TheMadRatter add 1000kg to the bike then it might be a fair comparison."
GL1500 Goldwing with Watsonian Squire Oxford sidecar, watsonian squire DX4 trailer 'cruising' at 125mph down the Autobahn on our tour of Europe with 4 people on board... I'm not using my FZ6 or similar as an example but a fairly weighted bike with heavy accessories and our gear for a 3 month trip... The bike's now on well over 400,000 miles.
I reckon that's a fair comparison.
@@the_mad_ratter little different on a car. A lot more torque.
@@skurtov I agree it's somewhat different on a car but there are still bikes like the Triumph Rocket III with its ~200nm of torque as stock, using a much more compact, and lighter gearbox. The GL1500 I was using had a horizontally opposed 6 cylinder engine with about 170nm of torque.
The first cars had sequential shifters, motorbikes have sequential shifters - hell, even some of the Boss Hoss bikes have been converted to sequentials... My mate runs a 1.9tdi VW engine through a BMW K100 sequential gearbox on his bike, that's ~270nm. My stepdad runs a highly modified triumph rocket on a stock gearbox and clutch, never had any problems racing and has hit the double ton with it. Countless rally cars use sequential gearboxes
They're not "fragile", and I'd wager, if you're used to grenading gearboxes or watching shows which grenade their boxes - you're watching the wrong builders or driving it wrong yourself :)
@@the_mad_ratter It's not really about the fragility. It's about the fact that dog engagement transmission are really hard on components, since you're basically slamming the gears together. There's a reason why manufacturers all around the world use synchronized transmissions, because there is significantly more longevity to them. Whereas on a car it needs to work day in day out for up to 150k miles. Now, of course metallurgy has significantly improved the feasibility of the sequential since there are stronger metals. But you can't fight physics.
Secondly, Motorcycle transmissions from my experience are much easier to rebuild, and on top of that you're not typically putting 100k+ miles on it. Also, their engines do not typically make peak torque at low RPM's. Whereas in this case, a turbo charged Focus making it at 2200, 2500RPM? It's quite a shock loading on the drivetrain.
Also the simple fact that rally cars use this transmission doesn't change anything. Rally cars use them for a couple races and then are rebuilding them after that, they have the resources and they have the time and ability.
Not saying you don't know anything about them, but Donut does a really good video on the pros and cons. th-cam.com/video/RikzgmPvmnE/w-d-xo.html
fuck flappy paddle stuff....I WANT THAT. Thanks mountune
can it make those dual clutch bangs on the upshift now?
I need this in my life
Track use only 🤣
imma daily this! ... need a loan for $10k :|
@@nicholasbaldwin1674 I don't really know anything about this transmission but as a good rule of thumb if it says it's for "track use", that probably means it'll wear out very fast so it's not worth daily driving
It was really hard to listen at the start as it’s quite clear you don’t fully understand the operation of either transmission.
I know I don’t need it. But I want it.
amen lol
That transmission is a beast
Windows open. AC on. Sequential transmission. Fuck it!
That clutch engagement looks lovely!
Dogs are cool but constant mesh would be so much cooler
My main question is dose it fit focus st 2013
Can’t you just manually control the throttle? Like put some pressure on the shift lever then let off the gas and it will pop into hear.
can this be fitted to non ST/RS MK3 Focuses?
This doesn Look right in a full modern cockpit in an Automatic DSG aera. But yes ist's sick
DECENT!!!
They're not cheap £12k plus for my car, expensive. If it around 5k yeah but 12k for me is not easy for that money!
I turned my focus rs to sequential using mme kit 5k total 2hr instal @drift_rs
Does it have reverse?
People asking if it’s available for fiesta ST. The FiST box clunks so much anyway. Makes me feel it’s a sequential 😂
Need this for my Subaru
Badass
this wasn't covered well. do I downshift like normal with the clutch and gas, or is there an auto blip function available that is fast enough to keep up with this trans? also, what is lifetime like
Is that the whole story? The dogs won’t disengage at WOT without an ignition cut.
Super sexy. Is there a unit available for the mk1 focus?
this could in theory be used on an mk1 focus if you have the duratec engine, as the duratec engines use the same bell housing design as the ecoboost engines. However im not 100 percent sure on fitment around the subframe or the transmission mounting locations.
The gearbox itself would probably be worth more than the car?
@@andrewb1034 they are similar but very different. See Jeff Bosse on FB, he swapped an ecoboost drivetrain into a mk1 and it is almost completely custom.
SevensGaming the swap can be done 100 percent using the st/ecoboost drivetrain. Only thing that may need to be changed is the axles depending on what hub you choose to run. The ecoboost is the same bellhousing so you can run the mtx75 also with an ecoboost swap. Thus in theory you could run this transmission as long as it clears the front subframe with the ptu.
I feel dumb so there is a clutch in a sequential
This was basically putting motorcycle shift pattern that equipped with quickshifter+blipper to a car
What’s up with all the knuckling noises. First time driving manual?
Bro has a built engine and u telling him that 😂
My understanding from other videos on youtube is that you can clutchless shift a dog box without any fancy ecu, you just have to lift off the throttle real quick before an upshift and be skilled at rev matching the downshift with a quick blip of the throttle.
Wow imagine how expensive real racing sequential are, look at the travel of that gearshift maybe you can make it shorter?
What ever happened to this project?
oooooooh man I want one!!!!! [wish list]
Stupid question....
Will the gears work in a speed 3 and can I buy just them?
Are you guys making it for the ST?
omah theCool yes it’s available for the Focus ST
The st and rs use the same transmission
Is this available for the fiesta mk7 ST
@@jordanallsopchannel1875 did you fail to read the comment directly above yours?
@@herpderp1662 We can tell you failed to read his comment, tool
I’m so confused what’s the point of the clutch at this point then for launching and for clutch kicks and such?
Hey Mountune, from your other responses, it appears that the trans that your developing for the RS mk2 (m66 trans) might work for a AWD conversion for my volvo C30?
The M66 used for those is FWD so no it wouldn't work. There is a difference in the right hand axle output that either fits AWD or doesn't. The M66 they have doesn't have the AWD compatibility. That being said if you have them an AWD transmission case I can't see why it wouldn't work throwing the FWD guts into the AWD casing. But I don't know enough about what mountune does inside the casing
Hi J Irvine, Thanks for you reply, I purchased a awd m66 from the awd s40 and I have the j14 LSD for that trans. I hear that the internal are the same for both fwd and awd trans the only difference is the passenger side axle and output casing on that side. I was hoping that the quiafe internals would work for both trans.
I NEED this Mountune. Did production stop on this unit? I’ll pay whatever just take my money lol
It's still in production at least that's what the manufacturer Quaife claims. It will start @ $11,500.
@@tscclayton It’s available now, just got re released. I’ll be throwing it in this year
Well when my 6spd inevitably shits itself due too the massive jump in power I will get this instead of that when ford says they wont replace it.
It broke yet?
@@scarea2691 Still working on it. It will die eventually if I know ford and their affinity for putting plastic parts where they dont belong.
@@herpderp1662 what about now?
@@dany_2945 sold it and got something useful.
A midway point between manual and auto
I need this for my daily.... can you send me one for testing purposes? I will see if it will last 80k. I put that on my car in 3 years. I could do more if needed :)
That's awesome
I don't know why MFG don't make this as an option. This would be fantastic to have! Better than any type.of automatic/DSG!!!
Interesting. Never HEARD of this kind of transmission. Thanks for the vid.
How do you put in reverse?... Is it by pushing up when it's in neutral
is it available for the fiesta st?
chronozome I wish xc
We are considering offering a Fiesta ST gearbox.
that would be awesome!
@@mountuneofficial that would be so sick in a fez
chronozome a sequential box in a fiesta st would be fun
I was cool to have Asian Jimmy Fallon explain a sequential gear box to me
This is really for converting a street car with an H pattern manual for track use or off road rallying, etc. And you definitely don’t want this if you already have a dual clutch DSG type tranny in your daily drive street car
Very nice explaination sir,,,now I know how sequintial transmission work
Wow amazing
I’m still more a an H pattern guy but I would still buy this transmission as well
Ppl often ask "do i need a aftermarket ecu to run this transmission?" 😂😂😂 that wouldn't be my 1st question. I think 9/10 Ppl are gonna ask "how much" 🤔🤔🤓🤓
If you have to ask...
Does this transmission have dogs?
Unfortunately yes, this means you need to buy a new catless exhaust so that the dogs do not start destroying the cats.
Wish the RS had a nicer dash. I couldn’t live with that every day.
how come in one part of the video (4:25) you say that you have to press the clutch for 1, 2, 3, etc.... but later (5:00) you say you can just shift through the gears without touching the clutch? which is it?
because hes driving at much higher RPMS. this is a racing shifter. so its designed to eliminate the time needed to push the clutch find the gear and release the clutch at high speeds.
I think I'm in love 😍😍😍😍
Sequential but with Straight cut gears. Oh yes heaven 🤣
Oh why did you put this video up, I've always wanted a car with a sequential gearbox ever since I drove a rally car with one in
Is this available for other make?
Is this available for the fiesta ST
Will the sequential gearbox last as long as the synchronised transmission?
So clunky and badass and mouthwatering.
do you have anything for mtx75 transmission
How do u reverse
Can I bolt this to my st
Is this still around?
I need this for my st