Why Gundam Iron Blooded Orphans Ending was Actually Perfect
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 เม.ย. 2017
- Mobile Suit Gundam : Iron Blooded Orphans has just ended and a lot of people are going crazy over the ending. To me, this might just have been the perfect ending to this series. Let's go over why.
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Iok is dead.
He has a painful...slowly... death... at hands of Akihiro.
So, the ending was the most perfect for me.
NO!!! IT WASNT ENOUGH!! ITS JUST WASNT ENOUGH! I WOULD KILL FOR A MOMENT WHERE HE CRIES AND BEG FOR HIS LIFE BUT THEN KILLED SLOWLY AND PAINFULLY AND AS HE CRIES ONE MORE TIME GUSIONS SCISSORS CUT HIS LIFE OFF
I totally get you. During that fight, I was like "OK, they're all screwed, none of my ships sailed, but at least may Iok die the most painful and ashaming way possible" then Akihiro crushes him with those scissors and as Iok is wiggling like a worm hopelessly fearing for his life, I'm like "YESSSSSSS"
I like to have his death on loop while i rewatch the series on another monitor
I loved that akihiro killed iok. I hated iok
omg you guys too?! i'll make a loop right the fuck now
I was just happy when Ride killed Nobliss
if only he got rustel to
@@zachhenson7844 if he killed rastal the war will start again tho
and we will have our season 3
on da toilet, no less
DFPancake Aside from Iok dying that was the second most satisfying moment. Now if on,y he could have killed Gailo, Juliet, and Rustell.
Shino's death still hurts, that one shot he missed, his despair, man it hurt
IkImTheBest , technically you can still call that a miss, the spear she threw is just the reason he missed
i literally wanted to stop watching after shino died like he was my fav it was so hard to watch him die
Honestly, if he's gonna die, he should've died with Mika and Akihiro with a bad ass death.
i wonder how the series would've ended if shino didn't miss
Yeah my heart sank as he missed, one of the most heartbreaking moments in anime. If he succeeded I'd guess they'd have owned Mars and trading routes with Teiwas or whatever you call them and have support from the old prime minister on Earth. So close to that, all depended on ONE shot. Damn!
While I agree that the ending was good, it was absolutely heartbreaking to see Mikazuki and Orga die. It was absolutely heartwrenching, in my opinion.
Mikazuki had to die he was a War Dog (Figure of Speech) and he even For-shadowed his death “there’s no place for me in the World Kudelia is Bringing in” besides half his body was crippled and he could only move freely while Linked to Barbatos (Weapon of War)
@@Setton_Exile his character is the pinnacle of death flag right from the get go. It still hurts though, to know that even for the likes of him, there is no place. Only his future will be (his children)
@@aliak530i
Man, Mikazuki's character is sad. It is even more sad that there are people like him in real life, and there has been for centuries. Soldiers cast out by society, with no place to go but the battlefield. They have been ruined past the point of no return mentally and physically.
@@beurteilung713 c
How heart wrenching it is, is part of why it is so perfect to me.
It really paints the series as a very "real" struggle. There is no perfect ending in such a struggle for survival. Like if brutal and unfair. From the beginning the show paints this sort of "real" story. From the death of Danji in the first episode, Akihiro's brother, and Fumitan the show constantly showed us people who didn't deserve to die would.
Without sacrifice imo, the series would not be as compelling, tragic and heartbreaking as it is. And really shows us by the end that you'll lose the best of people in the pursuit for a more justice and caring world. I still remember how choked up I got during Orga's final speech. Or our heartbroken I was for Akihiro when they killed Lafter.
Everybody's talking about Mika, Orga, and Akahero's death, but I almost started crying like a bitch when Naze and his wife died. When was doing his suicide charge and her ghost hugged him right before he died 😭😭😭😭
I'm not crying, your crying!
@@Sturm01 you're
One of the best couples in IBO. 😭😭😭
me too 😭
Yeah, that death really got me, that iok, good thing he died slowly and painfully
the fact that mcgillis didn't plan for the members of the seven stars to reject his request to give him their troops in the name of Agnika Kaeiru is baffling to me, he's just like "well, fuck. guess I only have Tekkadan now."
I thinks it’s because of his philosophy of power being everything. With him having Bael he assumed that everyone would blindly bow down to him.
@@niravtandel8812 incompent writer
@@kanyenorth2605 That's not incompetent writing that's a deliberate flaw in a character. Mcgillis's entire philosophy was that power rules everything. Which, unfortunately for Mcgillis, is incorrect. Hence why he didn't have a backup plan in case the other members of the 7 Stars decided not to work with him. To him, the idea was inconceivable. Hence, no reason for a backup plan.
Like I said at the start. Its not the writer being incompetent. Its a deliberate character flaw that we see throughout the entire series. Calling the writer incompetent is just an insult to an otherwise well throughout story and plot.
@@isaacturner197 It's not really because he believed that power rules everything but that he himself worshipped the founder and his power thus took it for granted that everyone else would too, that's why Rustal considered him a child.
And it's not wrong that power can rule everything, that's why the organisation (not gonna try to spell it) ruled Earth's Sphere for 300 years with no opposition, couldn't control effectively the outer sphere and why they became more democratic after the rebellion which made them lose too much power to stay as rulers instead of merely leaders/protectors which is what they became.
However he didn't have enough power he in fact had less power than Rustal, that's why he tried to rely on law to turn them.
Power being the key to ruling is why all Empires fell to either a stronger empire/coalition and/or after being weakened by internal conflicts and corruption. And why most rebellions and coup of this scale have failed.
@@isaacturner197 I will fucking torture whoever made that plot.
Slowly and painfully using every technique I saw in my whole life.
I pretty much lost it when Orga died. I'm actually crying again just writing the comment. I almost couldn't finish the series.
Richard Morse Bro I felt the same way. And it was one thing to kill off Orga but to kill Mika too it just made me hate season 2
@Vivi’s little hobbies I feel you. I actually have bought 4 gundams and built them recently. They still sell those.
@Vivi’s little hobbies I ended up re-watching the whole thing like 3 weeks after I finished. It's so painfully good :/
I'm sorry but as soon as Mika died I couldn't stop thinking about it, it's like I was traumatized I was just so sad because Orga just basically died and I can't stop thinking that if Orga wouldn't things could have been different they could have been more ready, they could of had a plan
Orga died cause deus ex machina,
Orga got the best badass and cool death, refusing to die and believing in what he fought for, despite his imminent death, and being a guiding light till his last breath.
mika and Akihiro died the way they lived, in violence and fighting, and in a heroic and badass way, and that's what I call coming full circle. a happy ending wouldn't have been right and coherent with the show.
the only thing that I didn't like was how Julia survived and claimed a victory that came with pure cheating, because otherwise Akihiro and Mika would have killed them all without a scratch.
Julia you bitch die already
YES julietas is such a selfish BITCH who doesn't know anything. imma make a fan animation of her getting punched in the face.
omg why doesnt your comment have more likes??? you literally just put all my feelings for this show into words. thank you
@@Eden-zn4zz yes please
and it set up the best future revenge, when Ride asked ars wipe "do you remember Orga.." then boom boom pow!
@@BlankHero YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
I think Mika became Barbotos in the end, he is still alive in the gundam like, Agnika Kaieru and Bael
sabreyourlife1122 agreed
Barbatos is destroyed too though. I finished it yesterday i don't think I'll stop crying until next week.
@@yugenn11 Not necessarily they could still rebuild it.
@@yugenn11 Im pretty sure they replaced Bael with Barbatos at the end and repainted it
He became setsuna
What if this entire series was just a setup for Mobile Suit Gundam: Ride's Counterattack?
Top 10 anime Plot Twist. 😐😐😐
Fuck yeah
It's been about 5 years but I'm all for it
I was really hoping Mikazuki would show up at the last scene on a wheelchair overlooking the farm,
But I still love the realistic ending to Tekkadan's members.
Fr I'm sad😭😭😭
Me too he so should’ve been
OMG that would've been so good😢
Lafter dies
Me : Oh well she gives off death flag anyway
Shino dies
Me : Well it can't be any worse right?
Orga dies
Me : Wt---
Mika and Akihiro dies
Me : Fk this I'm out
Idiok dies
Me : Hell yeah :)
After 2 seasons of planning, Mcgilis suddenly became a moron in the last 6-8 episodes and had no plans or make adjustments to counter Rustal. From a smart brilliant man who schemes all the time (like Char), to a guy who purely relies on Tekkadan, that's had to swallow.
i still don't understand why he didn't killed Gaelio when Helmwige (Isurugi) was stopping/hugging him
his obsession of gaining a complete power what made him lose miserably
You're overrating Char. He ruined his own plan with carelessness as well. CCA: Amuro leaves his gundam to blow up Axis from the inside. Char sees his left behind gundam, doesn't destroy it, get's out of his suit and follows Amuro. Amuro then stops Axis' drop with his gundam.
It's called honor in Char's part. He wanted a final duel with Amuro, even leaked out some of psycoframe technology to Anaheim so Amuro could fight against him in equal terms (nu gundam). Axis-drop was to set a stage for them to meet each other in battle. It was part of Char's plan (he didn't anticipate nu gundam going overdrive with a miracle, Axis broke it's half late and was going to drop).
Char was brilliant in the One Year War where he achieved his goal to eliminate the Zabi family. Simply put, the best antagonist in gundam history.
Char killed two, Gihren got one, Kycilia one, Amuro one.
All i want is for something more to come out of this gundam timeline
Calamity War OVAs would be cool
Calamity war and all 72 Gundams, I will watch them all.
Deven Cox calamity wars!!!!
too bad only 26 is said to be functional
IBO season 3 & 4 with Agnika Kaieru as the MC
Dude.... the entire latter half of season two just killed me. Over and Over and Over again. Amida, Naze, Lafter, Shino, Orga, Hush, Akihiro, Mikazuki, every single one of those deaths just completely broke my heart. Honestly, I think the gut-wrenching moans/screams are what get me the most, like the way Takaki, Naze, and Azee screamed when they saw their family die. Then there's Orga's scream as he turns around and snipes 3 people with a pistol before giving his final speech and making me cry and oewoierlgwehgbthg UGHHHHHHHHHH I CAN'T TAKE ITTTTTT
My problem is that this story is at it's core it's an underdog story. You're rooting for the little guy. You want to see them win (even if they die as doing so would just be another sacrifice towards them winning). The show stomps on that idea saying "it doesn't matter what you do, you can't beat those with wealth/power/etc". Yeah the ones who survived got a happy ending, but they didn't earn it by winning. They got it only because the bad guy just turns goes ahead and does what they were trying to achieve at the end. We barely get any indication that this is the type of guy who actually wants reform outside of his lacky saying "OMG he's such a great guy". I was expecting Mika to die, but not die a heretical scapegoat and branded a devil with the big bad getting away unscathed.
And that'd have been fine by me. I just don't like having the bad guy go full curb-stomp and get off scot-free.
They deny him being the bad guy? That's fucked up.
Agreed. Tomino, for all his short-comings, would've ended it better.
No. It's about an ultimately fatalistic band of brothers. This is the only way it could ever end. The existence of Tekkadan was a temporary thing, for the boys to live and rise and die, for the one and only time in their miserable lives. The whole point is that the real world is there and cannot be overturned. Them carving out their existence is much deeper because of this, because it's not a trite happy ending that makes zero sense.
true dat, this is an underdog story , so no matter what ---people will still root for the underdogs. they struggled and lost so much to reach the goal, we hope some kind of reward no matter how small it is will be granted to them in the end.... but no, the reward was actually death. Like, i want to punch the creator face so bad because of this.
Yes! This is an underdog story! And you we're expecting them to win, and they did! If you remember on season 1, the main plot was to bring Kudelia Aina Bernstein to earth and become famous. And they did! And not only they brought kudelia to earth and gain attention, they also exposed gjallarhorn's twistedness, which one of Mcgillis' plans. Then on season 2, they don't really have any goals, except for them looking a better place to stay. They don't need to win, because they already achieved their goal. And no, they didn't win because of the main antagonist changing his mind, I mean technically speaking yes but, if not because of tekkadan's actions and Mcgillis plans taking into account, Rustal would've never thought of changing the system, because none really said what they did wrong. Yes, Mcgillis could've done that with his own, but really he is powerless and his plans wouldn't really work without tekkadan. And if you're wondering on why he is called the devil even at the time of his death, is because of 1, the mobile suit he is piloting amd on how he fights, or 2 and the most democratical one (i don't know what word i should use sorry) is because the one who tries to fight the government is always depicted as the bad guy, no matter what if you try to rebel them or try to expose their corruption, which reflectsthe real world corruptions of the government. I mean, if i dare you to go out and say all the the things that the government did wrong, what would you think? You would say "no! Are you stupid? I'll get jailed if i do" right? That's the point i am trying to say.
Started from the bottom...now they dead
James Anacleto as hero's who changed the world (both worlds actually Lol, earth and mars )
LordDestroyer to some extent, but that's the beauty of how realistic is this show! They were totally used by McGilis at the end (heck one episode was called "for whom?") Yet they achieved their goal ultimately and mars is now free and earth govt "refomatted", hence the heroic part
hero? nothing friggin happens
James Anacleto
In a nutshell
James Anacleto started at the bottom, got a glimpse of the top, then dropped to the bottom of their graves, is more like it.
I DON'T CARE IF IT WAS PERFECT! I just wanted to see Mikazuki live with Atra and his son on a small house property, with Mika farming and growing vegetables like he wished to... *PEACEFULLY AND NOT DEAD.*
And plus notes... Julietta deserved absolutely none of the credit of slaying Tekkadan's Devil and that Mika and Akhihiro would've never lost in a fair fight.
Mikazuki willingly gave away his body, he was doomed.
He couldn’t have he was a real soldier they can’t have peaceful lives it’s not how it works a soldiers goal is to fight tell they are no longer needed he did just that
Mikazuki never was capable of having a normal life even if he did win the battle and go free. Hes much like Heero in the sense he was born to be on the battlefield, and he would have to die on the battle field. Same with akihiro, both could never be normal after being raised as Human Debri
i wont be that "guy",but u completely miss the point of the show as a whole,IBO is a story about a small/ a bunch of space rat kid who is an "amateur" and broke too,they dont have solid organitation structure or proper leadership,their mission when they start that job is a "suicide mission",its just that gjallarhorn never going all out on them,till finally in the end they consider tekkadan as "threat" to them,so they going all out war,which is obviously this "amateur space rat who doesnt have kira jesus and his beam gundam strike freedom" will 100% lose,thats why the only way is to run,which is they successfully did in the end at the cost of their only 3 ms pilot die in the battlefield shino,akihiro and mika. very realistic story which is good.
@@dimondlord11 but didnt u see his like final wish? He said he would live a farmers life. We can even see him studying crops. IT WASNT FAIR! THAT BITCH DOESNT EVEN DESERVED TO GET THE CREDIT!
Orga’s death was the second thing in a show I’ve ever cried at in my entire life. Biscuit and Lafter nearly got me there but Orga was the one who pushed it over the limit.
Dude, I just finished the series but Lafter's death hit me hard, harder even than Orga's since her character and relationship developments were superb. I see many complaints here and I agree with some(especially McGillis dumbening), but man that was tragic.
I understand the reason for Lafter's death but I still hate it to this day. That was not a way to go out... or at least have her die on the battlefield side-by-side with Akihiro. It was painful nonetheless.
Seeing that ending, I know Ozzie, Ride and Eugene & Chad gonna get revenge, with Kudelia overlooking everything from a political standpoint
That moment you realize Orga was so busy giving his all for his friends........he died without giving himself much of anything.
the only thing that bugs me the most is the fact that McGillis actually had nothing up his sleeve...he planned all this and set this all up and then it turned out that these old men refused to listen to him, at this moment he still acted like he had some trump card or something that lied to all the viewers believing in him, and at the end, he just died without doing anything solid.... i thought he was going to wake up some MA or something for the ending act...
Kikusgca I remember the officer in Mars that let them pass said that McGillis have the luck of the devil so I'm expecting at least a mobile armor
yep speaking of the mobile armor, how the hell did they wipe out billions of people when you had Dainsleif which you could literally aim from outer space like that
Well I dont think it mentioned whether or not the dainsleif was made during the calamity war or after and even then we dont know how many mobile armors there was or how strong they were. For all we know the hashmel could have been on the weak end of the spectrum.
true true. i tot he had some sort of plan, turns out his plan is just using bael as a trump card, and people should listen to him. like what?! it's like i'm holding up the king's crown, in which i stole, and ask the whole nation to bow down to me. seriously?!
justiady kalvianto no, activating bael was more like pulling the sword from the stone. It was said that only the chosen one could use bael because the leaders soul was waiting for the next leader so it kinda made sense but not really
i want a movie about revenge .
Nah a series or movie about the calamity would be a 1000 times better
@@personalemail1534 it good for spin off
I agreed because its still cliffhanger about ride and what he going to do next
Rustal should be assasinated.
then mikazuki would be barbatos
The vid didn't mention that Orga was willing to surrender and give up McGillis, but Rustal refuses. I feel like some revenge needs to be brought down upon him.
unfortunately, rustal is that one complicated character that will do whatever, whatever at all, it takes to meet his end goal with only a few limits, and killing tekkadan was for p.r. too, just a gut punch.... i agree with you but it is what it is
@@ender7910 The stupidest part of the story is that he literally control's all the media in that situation he could literally have faked their deaths and just let them live with fake identities heck he had the power to do that himself and yet he chose not to and he was definitely aware of the type of people they were. Good guy my ass.
After hearing about the series, I came to watch it over these past few days, and I gotta say its honestly very interesting. However neatly tied or dramatic the ending may be though, I think there's one that works *slightly* better, and its Mika not having to die- to follow Orga's last order, though. To quote an old song, "Every gambler knows that the secret to survivin, is knowin what to throw away, and knowin what to keep, 'cause every hands a winner, and every hands a loser, and the best that you can hope for is to die in your sleep."
First change I'd make: Julieta doesn't see the final battle. When she stops the Dáinsleif fired at Rustal, either she stops it with her own body, or Mika takes the opening and cuts her down. I'd be more partial to the former personally, but the important thing is she isn't there later. She doesn't deserve to be, and she's one of the worst characters in my opinion, outside of her constant belittling of Lok. If she did anything other than belittle Lok, she'd win my nomination for worst character of the series.
Because she's not there at the final battle, and the bits with McGillis play out basically the same, the onslaught force doesn't really have an answer for Tekkadan outside of sheer numbers. Even so though, just like the actual story, soon its Akihiro and Mikazuki. Maybe Hush lasts a *bit* longer on the battlefield, maybe he eats a Dáinsleif as well, but that's not as important. The 2 make their brilliantly animated final stand, except there isn't a Julieta to hold back Mika or order the troops to hold back from swarming in. Lok doesn't have the sense to realize the danger they're in, and his death plays out the the *T* how it did previous. (That if nothing else was satisfying as hell.)
The biggest change is that at the end, a severely wounded Barbatos and Mika wouldn't necessarily need to die. I'd argue 2 possible paths here: One, Mika is still in Barbatos in the final conflict, the other involves the bits from the Mobile Armor.
For the first route, would it be impossible for him to butcher his way through the chaff around him, to clear himself a path, to fight to live as Orga told him to? A final "What.... should I do now.....Orga?"
Maybe we actually get a worded version of that alleyway scene, maybe its Orga telling him in no uncertain terms to live for himself for once, to stop being such a dunce who only does what Orga told him to, or maybe its not even Orga in his mind, but Kudelia and Atra. Whatever the case, that's all the buildup we get before a stunning flurry of combat and death as he makes his escape. Blood flowing from his face as it did every time he over-exerted himself and Barbatos, he butchered his way through tens of hundreds of suits, making a dead run away from the escape tunnel his family is using.
Considering how easily Lupis-Rex was destroying the lesser soldiers that assailed him, I think a full on line breach wouldn't be "impossible", or even an asspull at that point. The real crux is, would Gjallarhorn let him escape? True, you wouldn't want the symbol of the enemies might to remain, but what can *one* rogue Gundam do against the entire fleet of Gjallarhorn? How could he draw allies to him when, as far as Rustal knows, everyone who was allies with this punk is about to be killed off. Nobody would be so foolish as to unite behind one Gundam when even the mighty Bael proved no match. Consider how many units were just butchered by this one adversary- is it worth the resources to hunt down this one man? What can he do? Is the devil worth more of your men and forces? Could you maybe snag him with a Dáinsleif, even though he now knows to be wary of them, and a wounded animal being both threatening and cautious? As a commander I personally wouldn't.
The second route would involve that fateful moment, were-in Barbatos is beheaded by Gjallarhorn. Maybe even its Lok getting his final achievement in, "Killing Mikazuki" and cheering himself on, before Akihiro realizes who he is and crushes him deservedly. Obviously Lok "beating" mikazuki is kinda stupid right? Except when they take Barbatos apart, to make sure the pilot is dead- there is no pilot. Maybe there's some blood to make it convincing, or maybe the corpse isn't that of Mikazuki, but everyone is stumped, except for Akihiro who can truly die with a smile on his face as he kills Lok.
Flashback to before the battle, and what held up Pops from escaping immediately, to a project he'd been working on since the Mobile Armor incident. Using bits from that, after it was handily cut to ribbons, he was able to rig up a sort of remote system for Mika. Obviously he isn't the man behind the Mobile armors, and even patching it together, he's still a mobile worker specialist, so fully recreating the Armor Ai is something he shouldn't be able to and wouldn't do. However, using the sort of control-less frame, could he maybe use the parts from the drones and the Armor to make a wireless interface with Mika's Alaya-Vijnana? This one is a bit more of an ass-pull than the other, as even Pops is no mechanical super-genius, but it *can* sort of be justified.
Still relying on the Alaya-Vijnana System, but now using a wireless interface in a remote cockpit, it was even harder to use than a normal system, and left behind when the base was detonated, no functional evidence of it remains, but the end result was a mostly safe rendition of Mobile Suit combat- outside of the fact the information would still cause injury to the pilot, as now you could make an argument the data stream might be even more intense. Mika might even be hampered from it by for lack of a better term, input lag, and so wouldn't put on quite as stellar of a show. Obviously this wouldn't need to come up in the story later or in a future story, because the only functional prototype devised is now a pile of rubble.
The important part here is that I'd like to make an argument for 2 ways Mika might be able to survive, even wounded, the final battle. Once he does, what's left for him though? He's already down his right arm and leg, and overexerting himself again would have to take even take more out of him. Stay with me, I've got that covered. Everything else would play out as it did, except when Kudelia heads to the farm, she sees Pops there. Surprised, they strike up a conversation, and that's when we hear Mika's voice, maybe chastising his son.
Now with a couple mechanical bits, hooked up and controlled by his Alaya-Vijnana, Mika is alive and even somewhat functional. He'll never be able to pilot a suit again, and without his AV he wouldn't be able to move anything but his left arm, but he can live his life in peace, with Atra, Kudelia, Gram, Cookie, Cracker, and his son Akatsuki. Maybe he and Kudelia get together, maybe its just him an Atra, point is he doesn't die.
I honestly think that Mika surviving is a better ending, not because of "muh ships" or anything so trite as that, but because it rounds out Orga's orders perfectly. In the first option, maybe Barbatos is taken apart, and parts of it are used for rebuilding Mika/interfacing with his AV, or maybe the machine is given to someone who can use it, like what remains of the Turbans or Teiwaz. In the second scenario, Barbatos is displayed as a war trophy for Gjallarhorn, and they just leave out the part were the pilot isn't actually dead because its bad press.
A really interesting moment might be Gaileo returning to Mars to meet with Kudelia over security concerns since Gjallarhorn is back to being Gjallarhorn, and seeing a rebuilt Mika. Maybe he recognizes him and doesn't say anything, or maybe Mika's entire persona and being half machine at this point throws him off.
At the end of the day though, the whole reason I bothered to come here and put this on a now 3 year old video is because of the simple fact of something important to our modern life, today. Anime can be quite inspiring in many directions, and while some may look at Mika and Orga and see determination, the will to just keep moving forward, I see it slightly differently.
Mika and Orga needed to work to get where they were, true, but if Orga had calmed down slightly after becoming part of Teiwaz, if they hadn't followed McGillis, and in Mika's case, if he used that head of his for something other and fighting, they could have seen the life they had right in front of them. Mika especially, was willing to throw away any chance with 2 women who clearly loved him, let alone his life of peace on the farm, and everything else, because fighting is all he knew and he felt he owed Orga. For all the despair we feel, when a loved one dies or when life kicks us while we're down, determination is a lofty ideal, but never forget what you have. Nobody ever truly has nothing to lose, and you matter to those around you more than you know.
That crux moment in the first option, the last "What.... should I do now... Orga?" would illustrate that perfectly, with Orga finally having the time and setting, finally being alone with Mika where he can drop face to explain something fully to Mika:
"Mika...you don't owe me anything. I "bet the farm" many times when Tekkadan was in deep, and Mika, you were right there with me all the way- I never doubted you, and you were the reason I could keep going...after Biscuit..Naze...Shino...everyone. I can't say we even won more than we lost- when we lost, we lost big..but that doesn't matter now. I couldn't take us all where I promised, and that's on me, not you. All I can say is this: Don't throw your life away for dead friends- You remember that place I told you about, Mika? Finding someplace we belonged? You've found yours. Its with Atra, and Kudelia. Go there, and live. That's what you should do now. Live on, for yourself, and for us. Tekkadan's...no, Orga's Orders."
I like your idea about Mika using his A-V to move mechanical limbs so he can move around, the way I had always though of how he would move around in a setting where he somehow lived would be that Barbatos or at least its main operating system and A-V would be in a houses basement or attic and would just stay permanently connected to Mika, sort of like the Marinette from Fnaf, where there is a cable connected to the ceiling that it uses to move around.
Your idea of it is an interesting take on how Mika would move around. :D
Rustal didn't do it because he genuinely believed McGillis's goals. He's a pragmatic man who realized that the Seven Stars system was weakened with only three members left and that another revolution would be inevitable if things remained the same. So, he placated the masses, painted himself as the hero, and gained all the power. He was selfish, but his selfishness brought about what Tekkadan and McGillis wanted all along.
Ooooh nice reading. Now the ending makes a lot more sense. With a severely weakened power base he wasn't able to become a totalitarian dictator and had to be more amenable to the needs of the Martians. Kudelia was the final nail in the coffin for him because she had the savvy and presence to keep him in check. So in a roundabout way Tekkadan and Mcgillis achieved their goals at the cost of their lives.
GamerSlyRatchet1 Thing is though, Mcgillis never wanted a democracy. He wanted to be a dictator that ruled with power
Noo , Mggillis I wanted to exterminate corruption
I wish they made it seem like eliminating enough of the 7 Stars houses to force a change was Mcgillis’s B plan (A being winning) and have Gaelio realize it while they we’re fighting
rustal is what a good leader is(FOR A BAD GROUP/ORGANITATION/VILLAIN) he clearly knew the situation very well,both inside his own org and outside which is the world,he knew what he need to do from destroying corruption and maintain his status by making its organitation as democratic and to the annihilating tekkadan and make them a scapegoat to clear gjallarhorn reputation,he has to do it,the good thing is that kudelia/mcgilis/tekkadan goal is not contradicting or have bad effect to rustal plan,thats why its a win win for him.
Mika and Akhihiro's last stand and death, amazing. Orga refusal to die after being shot like 9 times, fantastic. The beautiful moment in the epilogue where we see everyone from Tekkadan enjoying lives as normal people, terrific. But the moment that really had me loving the ending was the scene with Ride at the end when he shoots Nobliss. This moment managed to propose the possibility to me of Tekkadan and Orga's legacy living on through Ride and the other members, suggesting that Tekkadan is still there, even after the curtain falls.
I agree with a lot of this - but the thing that always chokes me up is seeing how Mika's dreams are flourishing without him; a family (Kudelia, Atra, and Akatsuki) on a farm in peace and with (most) of the rest of the survivors of Tekkadan also living their lives like Orga wanted them too. You can see that Mika was thinking about the future near the end when he saw the crops Kudelia cultivated and started reading about farming techniques again. He also wanted to make sure Atra and his child (tearing up again because I just remembered not only did he never get the chance to meet his son but he didn't even get to pick a name for him) were safe and protected with Kudelia. It's a good ending given the wider themes of the show. I just wish Mika could have lived to see that his son, and all the children of Mars, will have childhoods completely different to his own; full of love and hope, rather than desperation and violence.
Seeing mika’s son shadow in the end literally broke me.....
Ok, so it was 20 minutes of water flowing like waterfalls out my eyes, it was very hard because sometimes i needed to smile, so it ended like a big derpy smily with tears going down my cheeks.. For example when i saw Akahiro getting to kill Iok! It made me sooooooooo happy, but i couldn't stop crying because Akahiro died to :C. And I loved seeing Mika flying through the enemies, killing all! But kinda sad that it was Julietta because I never liked her, however she turned in to an almost respectable character at the end. Orga's death is still hard on me.. Cry every time i see him xD Ride made me happy that he was out for revenge, but I want him to have a happy ending to, an ending where he can be with his family from Tekkadan and smile, so it's kinda sad too :( Seeing Atra grown up was so great! Damn she grew well xD and Akutski was so cute ! Overall it was a very good ending, but i wanted to see Mika and Orga smile together with everyone at Tekkadan one more time :(
xint2 I feel you >_
orga's death was the saddest death for me QQ and the ending of all of this..... with Akutski looking at all the old photos that we have been seeing in the ending for a while.... feels, so many feels
Crozz bad ending...
Julietta grew on me over the course of the season. at first I thought we where going to get another dumpsterfire of a character like Ein out of her. So glad she turned out the way she did.
@Linar same
the ending was good but i still feel sour about how mika died, he didnt go all beast for a longer period of time like as i thought he would
Probably coz theres a timelimit of sorts when going all out berserk mode. And in the end he lost himself to the system passed out and died. Probably how the original pilot of Bael died when destroying the mobile armors.
Because the salami pastrami is like a second sensory organ, when julietta chopped off Barbatos' head it probably killed him as well
MutantKrill I understand that part but I still can't believe julietta was able to keep up with him, when he fought the mobile armor she said she couldn't keep up with his movements because he was moving too fast but now she can? remember that when mika fought the mobile armor he lost an arm and other parts and he was still able to keep up the speed, he only lost an arm when he fought julietta. She should have died before he passed out is basically what I'm saying
She kept up with him because he was heavily injured from the shrapnel and destroyed parts of the cockpit when Dainsleif hit him and Akihiro...if it weren't for Dainsleif I have no doubt in my mind that the two of them would obliterate everyone there
The thing was Mika passed out when Julietta got there. Its pretty noticable because his aim was off when he launched off his tail. The hakuna-matata system kinda devoured him when the 3 axes hit his torso
I think the ending for Iron Blooded Orphans was appropriate for the series. Not every person is going to pick the 'winning' side in a fight. The only silver lining is that the world the Tekkadan members wanted seemed to come about as a more indirect result of their actions. So while the ending is bittersweet, it's a bit more hopeful than say Space Runaway Ideon (Yes I did watch that recently OMG WTF)
2019. September. The last 10 episodes still traumatizes me :(
Rewatch, October 2020, Pain. :(
@@iQyEc First watch, January 2021. Now a sad potate :'(
@@Whirl435 welcome aboard the pain train :(
@@Whirl435 First watch 31st May 2021. Everything is pain. Life is pain.
19 Aug 2021, gonna get some anti depressant
No... the perfect ending would have been Rustal Elion's ship getting penetrated by the Barbatos and Mikazuki making a speech about fighting for tekkadans humanity and as the air gets sucked out of the ship, Mikazuki gets hit from behind ultimately dying, but the Satisfaction of Rustal Elion's suprised face and ultimate defeat would have been the nail in the coffin. Miyazaki's death felt worthless and of not any importance. HE WAS THE BEST GUNDAM PILOT! And deserved an amazing recognition. Killed and humiliated/glorified by a worthless Pilot????? I am so disappointed
Now here's a comment I fucking agree with, and the part that I find absolute bullshit is that Julieta got stabbed dead on and fucking survived even though she was a normal human being and the most thing that pisses me off is that it was never a fair fight to begin with, even when Akihiro was still alive it was like 2 against an army and not just that, but also getting nuked?! And another dumbass part in my opinion, is that when Mcgillis gets bael he immediately turns into a dumbass by charging against a full army by himself which gets him killed easily, and if you think that I just don't like series' with sad endings when the protagonist dies well think again boi because of this Netflix anime called devilman crybaby (spoilers for devilman crybaby) at the end of the show, the main character Akira Fudo AKA devilman dies at the end but not by just a cheap-ass way like Mikazuki who was killed by fighting in an unfair battle but died in a fair battle, army to army but still lost but it felt satisfying because they legitimately got close but to no avail, because it was mainly devilman+his army against satan+a weaker army and just felt fairer like they stood a chance as both sides have respect for each other (I'm talking about Akira and the antagonist who is satan in this context) and they both never fought dirty but in IBO the antagonist was so unfair that he pretty much nuked only two guys. And THAT is why I agree with the way you have depicted the end should've been, thank you for taking your time to read this and I hope someday they do what you said as a slight remake to the ending.
When Chad missed that shot, reminded me of the part in 300 where he made that guy bleed with his spear... I'm pretty sure there was deep meaning in that.
Orga got killed by a drive by, a badass getting knocked down by a grunt
Disagree i felt mikas death was handled really well but they def couldve done without julieta holding up barbatos head bc she shouldve BEEN dead a long ass time ago she didnt deserve to get any credit for his demise. But thematically his death scene was wholly appropriate for him tho it was the only part in the second half of s2 that i thought was genuinely great.
@@orb1t867 I mean do you see JFK get assassinated in a heroic way? lol
this gundam should not end, this is the most realistic shit ever made, pure cunning. this is the best
maybe the next Gundam series? would love for the next one w/o the "god Kira" and "God Setsuna". i mean just plain good story
+Doctopus Wow someones mad.
Just hope they will make the side story an anime
@@SaigaTenshi
As for me, I would like it with strong and Godlike characters. I am getting sick and tired of the sobstory and crying BS. Give me bots throwing asteroids to villains and massive plot armor. I do not want something that does not inspire audiences to become better, stronger, and larger than life.
This still doesn't explain why Rustal reforms Gjhallarhorn after keeping McGillis from doing the exact same thing. Nor does this explains why the organization suddenly abandons Mars and lets the planet claim independence. It would've made more sense if Rustal maintained the status quo and paid lip service to reform; instead the audience gets this cop-out at the last minute to give (almost) everybody a happy ending. This doesn't necessarily ruin the series for me; the ending just leaves everybody scratching their heads.
McGillis' version of "reforming" Gjallarhorn had McGillis as its sole dictator which I'm pretty sure Rustal was not a fan of. As for Mars becoming independent I agree that one is out of left field but it may have had something to do with Rustal's backdoor dealings with Teiwaz.
A different comment explains in greater detail why Rustal reformed Gjhallarhorn, bur the main gist of it is that there were only 3 memebers of the 7 star's left, so another revolution was inevitable once enough time had passed. So Rustal scrapped the old system and remade it. The fact that it resembles what McGillis wanted to some extent is mostly just because of how effective it was for what he had to work with and left him with a much larger power base than what he started with.
Lesson for this ANIME
Don't make a promise so you can able to survive.
Also did anyone catch what killed mika? He wasn't loosing massive amounts of flood in that last scene, and julietta took the head of Barbados not stabbed the cockpit and she even said he's just "unconscious"
Brandon Beckham A piece of metal in the chest
They saved people from worse....
He probably gave up too much of himself to barbatos and the AV system.
Brandon Beckham mostly killed by Barbatos itself really ...
Backlash from overclocking Barbatos. He did have a fairly large amount of blood loss, and that combined with the damage he did to his brain killed him before he could beat julia.
For how Season 2 went, I would agree that the ending is good in that specific context. However, throughout Season 2 I was continually baffled by how most of the influential characters in the story who aren't new display totally different or unexpected traits with no real explanation behind the shift. The issue I have with Season 2 then is that Season 1 doesn't even really matter for it, since things are so inconsistent. Biscuits death meant nothing. McGillis somehow goes from Magnificent Bastard to simple Power-hungry Man-child and apparently didn't have anywhere near the extensive scheming towards what he'd do as head of his family compared to trying to get that position, not to mention the Montag persona being gone as well without any explanation. Todo (though only a minor character) has apparently disappeared in the interim. Gaelio is different as well but that's actually a rare case of consistency with his end in Season 1.
Season 1 had refreshing action that subverted the trope of the Gundams (or Mobile Suits in general) being the only significant factor in the battle. The initial conflict between Tekkadan and the Turbines remains one of my most favorite space battles in visual-medium fiction due to the combined-arms approach of Season 1. Tekkadan would have straight-up lost to the Turbines if it had just been about the mecha. Akihiro was screwed and Mika would have at best had mutual defeat with Lafter or to push on Suspension of Disbelief a little bit could have just barely come out with a win, only to face the other two Aces of the Turbines while he's already battered and they're mostly unscathed. Mika could not have won that fight at that stage of his growth as a pilot. Even with AV and his natural instincts the skill gap between him and the Turbines Aces was still simply too great. Amida especially being up there with McGillis as the top pilots in the series by skill alone, contending with AV units or vastly superior units without having AV (until Bael for McGillis at least). Back to the point, Tekkadan wins by boarding the Hammerhead and making it to the bridge to end the conflict without a single casualty. Compare that to Dainsleif overuse, nary a Mobile Worker to be seen, no infantry action, and only one or two instances of the ships doing anything other than just being effectively stationary gun-platforms and hangars for the Mobile Suits. Season 2's "arcs" are also resolved too quickly to be satisfying and have little if any impact on the other "arcs" because of it. I don't believe Akihiro should have been able to get his vengeance upon Galan Mossa so swiftly. It all feels so loosely-connected with so many missed opportunities for actually clever twists, turns, and conflicts. Imagine how cool it could have been to have Galan Mossa piloting the House Elion Gundam against Akihiro in the final battle or perhaps earlier in the final act or towards the end of the second. Imagine how interesting it could have been if Gaelio was actually on McGillis' side the whole time or turned back to his side after a heart-to-heart. Sure Season 1 has its own flaws but they're easier to reconcile with since the plot is tightly woven with only minor deviations that still end up being relevant in some significant way (if only to the perspectives of particular characters).
Note: I'm not saying that McGillis should have won necessarily, just that the portrayal of his character in Season 1 makes the manner of his downfall in Season 2 jarring.
EDIT: Fixed a couple of typos.
I would disagree about Rustal on a point of pedantry. You claim he is among the most poorly written antagonists; I believe he wasn't even written at all :p
The question then is which is worse?
I can suspend my disbelief of Gaelio's survival since we did not literally see the kill confirmed and it's a common trope for characters to come back like that as a twist. What doesn't make sense to me is his actions afterward. In an attempt to make it all make sense I started thinking maybe he was on McGillis' side after all as a double agent in Rustal's camp, with the exchange they had in their Season One duel being a ploy to convince Rustal that Gaelio was an enemy of McGillis since they could easily say that Kimaris' computer recorded it all. Of course as Season Two progressed I lost confidence in the writing and scrapped that theory of mine as something too clever for the writers and director who all seem to be interested in surface-level drama that is only effective (if at all) at the initial moment of consumption, falling apart after any examination. The disbelief I can NOT suspend is that Gaelio would leave his family in McGillis' hands for TWO YEARS in order to "try to understand" the man who tried to kill him.
Kudelia was integral to Season One in that she was our audience-perspective character to the world of Tekkadan. As a somewhat naive noble who was inexperienced with the real world, she prompts exposition drops for us the audience so that we can learn alongside her. Her position in Season Two isn't a contradictory one to her ending in Season One, but she isn't given an adequate replacement amongst Tekkadan for the purposes she held for the audience. The closest we get is the Tekkadan newbies who don't really work in that same way. Also, McGillis should have definitely tried to make more use of Kudelia since she is indeed as you said, "the Maiden of Revolution". Just another proof that Season Two McGillis isn't even the same character.
McGillis puts all his faith in Tekkadan because they remind him of himself, showing that he can't trust anyone else but himself. This is vastly different from Season One McGillis who would make use of any and every resource available to him.
To be fair about Bael though, he did some serious work with it. After all, it took Unlimited Kimaris to take him down. He was untouchable to the normals in much the same way as Mika, possibly even more-so when you consider how barebones Bael is compared to Lupus Rex. So the strength of Bael as a Gundam isn't a fairytale, only the sway it had over Gjallarhorn turned out to be unreliable. Of course he was still overconfident and reckless but by the time he's actually fighting with Bael it's already too late to recover from his lack of contingency plans so I can understand him going all in. Again it's not how it ends for him that gets me, but the way he gets to that last stretch which I think we agree on here.
Rustal didn't seem to hate McGillis so much as distrust him, likely from the revelations about Gaelio's attempted murder when he took him in. He genuinely seemed to wish that they hadn't turned out to be enemies early on and seemed to primarily disagree with his methods rather than his supposed goal. Beyond that, all we see is "generic pragmatist villain" with no deeper characterizations. His actions also are illogical as hiding his war crimes would prove to be impossible in the long run. As for how he went ahead with the reforms at the end, I believe he was staying true to the pragmatism we were shown by making the most of the hand he was dealt. They definitely tried to put too much into this plot. If all the time with Iok scheming to get rid of the Turbines was instead put on fleshing out Rustal, maybe things would be better. But no. We get Iok and Jasley....
Well, we also didn't see McGillis disable his AV limiter like Mika does. So Imagine how cool THAT would have been (along with Akihiro in Gusion). Maybe as an adult McGillis could get away with it without the severe damage to his body Mika suffers, or he'd know just how much to use to get the job done without sacrificing a limb. I can suspend my disbelief about the Ein stuff, just that eventually even Ein's brain would get fried and be unusable. It's still pretty cool, after all, even if it doesn't totally make sense.
@christopherc93 Dude, do you guys even rewatch? LMAO, Gaelio is pretty much fucking pissed on how he killed off his friends. lmao
@christopherc93 Dude, those are the parts where they can be simply explained with "garbage" reason so they don't even bother explaining it.
Is like explaining how a guy got to A from B. If those need explaining, then you're focusing on the wrong part lmao.
The whole part of the series are where Heroes/Enemies role are flipped. Tekkadan are treated as terrorist that uses power lmao. Rewatch it again
A lot of people don't understand that the bad guys in life win sometimes, it's a tough message to swallow but I respect the writer for having the guts to put it at the center of this show.
The real perfect ending is a post credits scene where Mika rolls up in a wheelchair with Hush pushing him.
I think it's possible that mika could return if his soul was placed into barbatos and when the next threat comes around rustell unleashes the wolf king again
@@Aceshot-uu7yx i hope for an season 3 or perhaps mikazuki his son take revenge on Julietta
I think that would be good but it might turn out like some cheap Gundam SEED crap.
the thing I'm mad at the most is that they said 72 Gundam Frames where made and we only saw 5 over the course of the two seasons like come on the Gundams this season were interestingly designed and I would of liked to see more
72 were made but only around 24 survive the calamity war.
DeadNoxus so why did only 5 Gundams appear instead of 24? literally they could of given so many characters Gundams Iok, Rustal, Carta you mean to tell me out of the 7 star families only 1 has a Gundam?
I hope they show more Gundams for this Universe in the related material or in a artbook
Because if did , They would have to be a new gundam introduce almost every episode and no story development behind it nor personality development for it. This is Gundam we're talking about. Gundams are suppose to be machines that represents something symbolic or the appearance of gundams are suppose to mean something like war is coming. Piloting a gundam also comes with a status quo which comes from story telling and they have only 50 episodes to work with here
because in this series every gundam get their own episode for introduction , not like 00 u just give 4 gundam at 1/2 episode and thats just it , others gundam just flying by here and there
this series is about political issues not some pilot ideologi
I feel like it took some pages from Metal Gear Solid 4, with a sour taste at first but after time it resonates more and more with you.
There was a reason the fandom nicknamed the series Metal Gear Gundam
Hashmal was literally Metal Gear RAY... literally. AI-controlled, fins, tail, mouth laser...
hahaha, agreed. Like most, the ending left a sour taste in my mouth, but after watching it a few more times, I came around and started to appreciated it.
They're a private military organization lead by a guy they call "Boss" and they literally fight what is essentially a Metal Gear in season 2 so yeah I think there was some inspiration from the Metal Gear universe. :P
especially later that we learn that without actions of "villains" like Ocelot and Solidus "heroes" would not have achieved victory.
Anyone gonna talk about how Julieta survived every fight even the last one as bs as that was
Julieta never deserved the spotlight. girl's motivation was to simp and get recognized by his boss while everyone had bigger things to lose
Julieta shoulda died a while before the ending. I thought a similar thing about iok, ein, and carta. All despicable characters that died well passed when everyone hoped they would.
I’m many years late, but this anime had the sweetest of the bitterest endings. It made me smile, but made me cry. Mcgillis was a traumatized boy and tekkadan was a group of traumatized boys. In the end, tekkadan served its purpose. The survivors began to work honest and noble jobs while Mika and Orga found their own place. A place where they could rest easy like they always wanted.
i like McGillis but its like he had no plan after getting Bile. like he expected everybody to bow down. sad ending for him
to be fair, there are 3 gunpla kits that show a new ibo gundam we never got to see. also a new barbatos upgrade with anti danslief armor that never made it to the anime. as well as a upgrade for vidar that we never saw either. so probably due to ratings drop for ibo, they rushed the ending.
Im curious to see how they're going to tie in the Dragon Ball universe to the Gundam universe so they can wish my boi Mikazuki back 😭
I'm sad beacuse Mika's son would never get to know his dad physically but I'm happy because he will learn of the good his father did versus the seriously evil shit he actually did. What an amazing story all around and heart wrenching.
but when they make the child?
@@atomnetto3796 when mika and atra were talking about babies. probably did it in bartatos cockpit too cuz mika couldnt do the deed otherwise, being half paralized and all.
@@Angelfeather07 witch episode?
@@atomnetto3796 I forgot because I literally just binge watch it amd finished today. Didn't keep track of the episodes.
Season 2
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I was shocked and really surprised with the ending, I just couldn’t believe they’d kill off my boys
I was expecting another child. Damnit
Me too..... GODDAMMIT FUCK THIS SERIES, I MEAN I LOVE IT BUT I JUST HATE IT. TO SEE MIKA'S DREAMS LITERALLY FLOURISH WITHOUT HIM. FUCK THIS SHIT I'M SAD
CYANIDE Adiccted same feels sad man
My only problem is that Gundam Bael was suppose to be the top dawg dog of gundam in IBO. To me it seemed kinda basic to say the least... anyone else felt that way?
Ye
My understanding of it is that Bael was like the Declaration of Independence, or a badass sorting hat from Harry Potter. It was moreso the symbolism of it and being able to pilot it than technical specs. Sure didn't have a Barbatos tail....
@@isaakhyde8327 You are right. It was important only because Agnika Kaieru was it's pilot, but as a Gundam Suit it was pretty basic. Besides factory differences, Barbatos was modernized by Tekkadan and piloted by the best pilot of their times so there's not much to compare to be honest.
It just had two swords... No extreme mobility or attributes. Air superiority and implied power is all I saw lol
If it doesnt make you shiver when it fights it isnt the top dawg
I need a season 3 with ride cuz he was by far the one to get the worst end living on with the guilt of what happened to orga
This series was awesome. I actually cried out my eyes while watching the last 6 parts. I cannot say anything more. Great anime,... Maybe great but deep ending and a serious story. AWESOME.
such a bittersweet ending. I wish Mika and Akihiro survived, but I cant hate Rustal or Julieta for being the characters they are. Despite having plot armor, Julieta honestly worked hard to become the character she was at the end of the day, while she did'nt personally defeat Barbatos her victory at the end was only because of her determination to prove herself as a low born. And as a politician Rustal was smart, everytime he used the Dainslef I wish he got Karma for it, but it only adds to the point that Tekkadan was so powerful that he had to use forbidden powers comparative to a nuke just to defeat them not rely on his so called status and power.
But I do like the fact that McGillis's ideals had rubbed off on him, knowing since that McGillis and Tekkadan were created from the system that had been in place for years they would one day rise again. He realize that they were just symptoms of a disease, no matter how many times you block them it doesn't matter if you're still sick. While his decision to turn Gjallarhorn a full 180 into a better governmental system, granting martian independence, eventually pardoning Tekkadan and abolishing child space debris paints his picture as a total hero and a man with all the power....it is still the ultimate victory for McGillis and Tekkadan.
While they realized that their biggest strength was their dreams and ideals for a better world. Yet they tried to force it with only physical power and rush through haphazardly like monsters and demons, not realizing that not everyone fears the devil. It's the reason why Rustal played such mind games using Iok, Jasley and Galan Mossa. He worked diligently and thoroughly to strip these demons of their supports (Turbines, Teiwaz, Gjallarhorn Mars Branch and the Tekkadan Earth Branch) before leading an onslaught on them himself.....where as our Heroes kept on gunning straight for the main boss without trying to de-buff him. Rustal basically killed the Hydra by cutting off each head and burning the stumps and THEN attacking the main body. McGillis and Tekkadan just tried to attack the main body straight up, they may have cut off a few heads, but they DID NOT burn the stumps.
And that's the theme of the show, it's what Naze told Orga and what Orga realized before he died, that positive change and the realization of ones dreams cannot happen over night. No matter how much power you think you have, brute-fully using it to achieve instant change does not always work and even if does, it always comes at a cost. True change comes at using your power at the right time, building up and safeguarding your supports and allies, taking new opportunities and letting them develop into something stronger, waiting to strike when hour is ready and/or when your enemy has let their guard down.
It's a very realistic ending to a very realistic show. The fact that the Turbines girls didn't join them because they have responsibilities, loyalties and debts to Teiwaz and the memory of Naze. The fact that despite every other Tekkadan member finding happiness and peace after the conflict, Ride, being the one guy who still couldn't shake the hate or the violence decided to kill Nobliss for what he had done (I still fucking cheered tho, bastard got what he had coming), yet you can kind of see a glimpse of him thinking, "I finally killed him, but this doesn't bring Orga or those who we lost back.". The fact that Rustal does not try to pursue all hidden Tekkadan members, despite Kudelia, hinting her ties to them and their survival, because there's no point in starting conflict while there's peace, especially since he knows it's because of Tekkadan that peace exist today.
This ending divides the realists from the dreamers. The realists who like this ending understand the odds that Tekkadan faced, and knew people would die. Dreamers probably hoped for a more shonen type ending where everyone lives and Rustal dies.
CHRIS CONLEY yea i agree with u there
i guess we finally have a good story in Gundam series. i mean no more overpowered gundam and no more "God Kira" or "God Setsuna"
Hood Pope You sir, deserve a fuck ton more likes.....
CHRIS CONLEY CHRIS CONLEY Well they kind of do get it equally as bad. Tekkadan got what they wanted, human debris are now truely human, Mars is a separate branch ran by Kudelia herself, Nobliss got blasted on the toilet, Gjallahorn is now democratic, and Tekkadan survived to live as normal people without having to risk their lives on the daily. You gotta realize that things come with sacrifice. Yes I agree this season was poorly written at some parts, but dont act like Tekkadan got dicked and Rustal reigns supreme. Yeah they died but their dreams lived on through their deaths. Even Mcgillis' shitty arc came out how he wanted.
Courier 9712 ayee
just watched it and my problem with the ending was the thick plot armor of ghallarhorn and the relationship manipulating from the author to make the story go dark even if there was no need...from the side cast we killed biscuit ,fumitan,shino and many more just to make some characters think for themselves and move out of tekkadan just for the sake of it and move the plot.akihiro got literally wrecked losing his girl,his brother and his new friend aston just to make him more dramatic at his death after killing iok.ms.miribiri at the beginning felt as a love interest to orga cause of the line that naze said that one woman will change ur world and we anticipated it and after all these scenes kinda flirting and her care for him....we hook her with the engineer for no goddamn reason so we have orga make foolish mistakes without someone set him straight and the whole crew just fuming on him if he back out so everyone could be safe(he had no way out of fight cause his crew blamed him for coward if he quits and crazy if he fights for real fuk off).also mika is badass but his personality is goddamn flat even put 2 girls on him as the main character but after expecting him to change into more normal person for them its the other way around and his actions seem more legit to the girls to the point they cant say anything to him cause he tries so hard rly???mika gets a kid for the sake of his memory but the other dead guys was never mentioned not even show a funeral just for the honor.and in the end the dream of tekkadan to make a place they all call home never happened they are split ride and many other kids are still nowhere to be found.The only ones who won are the guys on the sidelines and the not decent ones...as galan said the decent ones always die first!!!!
The show was amazing, buuuuuut the ending hurt my sole. I actually ficking cried because of the damn ending.
In my opinion, the finale of IBO was well-done, BUT only to disguise the fact that the entire arc leading up to the finale was utter bullshit. Yeah, there were some nice satisfying scenes, which I think distracted everyone to that fact. The entire revolution arc (and really, ever since Hashmal showed up) had a very messy and disappointing plot, with McGillis actually being a complete idiot despite two seasons of scheming, Tekkadan fighting for something that completely goes against their usual modus operandi, and the rapid fire deaths that weren't necessary and weren't done well at all. There was a complete lack of direction in the second half of season 2, and it pretty much went against the themes of the first season.
Tekkadan fighting was to much of a stretch but man mcgillis was a bit less intelligent than i gave him credit for. I mean he should have had a backup in case MUH BAEL plan didnt work out.
at first i knew McGillis isnt very special when he rode on Bael. in fact, he wasnt even an Alyana pilot. his coup failed miserably because his intentions are very weak
well done ? they are in hurry while finish this season
Shit you. Mcgillis would've won if rustal didn't plan on using the dainsleif. Mcgillis already outnumbered Rustal with tekkadan in episode 44/45 somewhere there. McGillis only option was to fight alone. He know bringing other people is useless other than Mika. And yet you say you didn't had a plan. His plan was almost perfect but just that rustal was another brilliant guy. How do you guys ignored this part of details. And don't compare Mcgillis to Char, i like Mcgillis more than Char honestly. Mcgillis didn't give up his ideal until his very end, even he's injured after fighting Gaeleo, he pick up his gun trying to kill Rustal and you think that is easy? He hope that Emilia can see a better future and don't let her kill herself! I considered myself a gundam fanboys, but then i dont know why so many gundam fanboys don't like IBO because the direction is different. Seriously, IBO for me is the best gundam series so far. The realism is there if you talking about revolution. Definitely not your typical shounen anime, or in ZZ the carefree protagonist or in G gundam, power of might win everything or in OO, having the most OP gundam is most important. Mika has the best gundam, so rustal also had his plan to fight Mika!
My opinion is that season 1 is far better than season 2. McGillis started good but slowly turned into a very unrealistic character that took me out of the show from time to time.
The ending was perfect.
It is not a happy ending, true to its name, everybody is where they belong.
This, by far, is the most 'real' gundam I've ever watched.
Piriya Sambandaraksa Rustal taking a sudden 180 is a badly written choice though. I feel like Rustal was an under developed character
It shows how the distinguished figures aren't as clean as people assume. back in season 1 marscraft original goal was that iron thing for mars. rustal's original goal was to restabilize garhorn. They were only at the right place at the right time.
actually rustal has not been that bad. he just wanted to stop the madness of mcgillis. on the other hand it was mostly political. and it was definitely realistic.
Rustal rarely showed his true intentions other than not letting Mcgillis rise to power
Ray Real i feel ya man Rustal was put in that situation by Mcgills And he really had no true ideals ironically he changed because he didn't want any other incident like Mcgills to happen again.
every character's death was handled well. tekkadan's descent from freedom fighting kids in season one to warriors with no goals left in season two made the manipulation of them by mcgillis very believable.
I can respect rustal, he did what he had to do to achieve his goals, and he was smart about it. if it hadn't been for iok setting the precedent for using dainsleifs, rustal probably would've had a harder time dealing with tekkadan.
That Mcgillis dude’s IQ dropped hard in S2
And didn’t he wipe out an entire fleet back on earth alone right? I guess he became noob too
Dude Gaelio is there lmao
LMAO
so sad but wht more mika dn't have a child with kudelia....oh my so saaaadddd~
nik mus as a person who wanted Mika and Atra to be a couple, I disagree.
its ok dude..thts ur likeking~~but wht sad more to me..70% main crcter gotta die in ibo..yeah thts wht life right,must accep it..but pooorrrr kudelia..huhuhu
nik mus ? Sorry, I don't understand Pidgin English.
if mika had a child with kudelia, what would the child's name be?
there's a word mix with atra and mika, atleast.
Mikaelia maybe hahaha
Why isn't Rustal death
This ending pissed me off.
Orga and Mika found their place together in heaven, Akihiro and lafter are together in heaven, kudelia and atra are living their promise, as well as the other survivors, and ride is a tragic badass. I love this ending so much
If a spinoff ever happens, I know Ride is gonna gather a group of Martian kids alongside Mika & Autra's child to exact revenge. Kudelia at that point would be in a higher position and willing assist
Just watched this series and finished it a few minutes ago. I loved it. The only thing I was sad about was that Jullieta got to live and hold up Barbatos' head like she did something. She was annoying from her introduction and I was sad Mikazuki didn't get to finish her for getting in their way so much. I also kinda wanted him to knock up Kudelia too, but that's just me being selfish lmao. Still, it was great. It's the first Gundam series I've watched since G Gundam when I was a little kid like 17 or 18 years ago. Looking forward to binging some more.
I don't think IBO has ended IMO
Ride seems like he got some kind of a plan going on and that might as well be a hint to an another season.
Hi I’m from the future
No they didn’t
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Loved this series. The ending wasn't the happy ending we get in most anime, but I enjoyed it. Also, Akihiro reminds me of Guts..he was a big muscle badass.
Lets just put all the Iok sandwich kills aside ant talk about how mika and atra were 16 and that they had sexy fun times in the barbatos. rule 34 went crazy. wacc
FBI OPEN UP!!
This just felt like the fanfic of a Garma fangirl that wanted to see him get revenge on Char.
my reason to hate this one is that the first season was great, and the first half of the second season wasn't that bad, but then the anime just stopped with the realistic approach they were doing, and went for the "it's the final quarter, we needa rush everything and kill off the entire cast" approach.
Like, McGillis plots for an entire season and a half, and we're being told his entire plan rested on the fact that he had Bael, and therefore everyone would follow him, par two or three specific people? We were led to think that he was smart, not a full blown dumbass that can manipulate people with ease, but not understand how soldiers work. Furthermore, he didn't attempt even once to get rid of the DainSleifs, and that is just inexcusable. They were freaking illegal weapons, what sort of righteous revolutionary just ignores this fact completely, his entire fleet was defeated by that, and that alone.
About Dainsleif usage, they were checkmated 'cause Rustal made the excuse that McGillis used it first. Its like a nuclear warfare, illegal and all but if you receive a nuke you will use your own nukes to counter no matter what. Plus, Rustal had all the press manipulated. I think McGillis lost when he gave up on the political aspect due to having Bael and pretty much declared an all out war in disadvantage.
Hating rustal would be normal as what we normally hate those politicians for dirty tactics. However that's what make this series REAL to me, plus with the killing of characters here and there. Thts something your would expect from reality. Bad guys win, good guys die miserably.
Sad, but thts the hard truth.
Jason Lai yea i live in real world were that happens i dont need in my anime thank u very much i mean i dont hate but damn it
Did the good guys lose though?
Stories where the good guys defy all logic and win are boring as piss, though, TryHardHero. It's utterly infantile to have stories that are full of plot armor and mary sue characters, or black and white morality. Rustal wasn't even necessarily the 'bad guy'. As the video points out, he ultimately wanted the same things they wanted, but without dragging people into ridiculous wars. The video was also accurate in pointing out that Tekkedan, of all groups, had NO room crying foul over Rustal's tactics.
Shadow7988, its not Tekkedan who should do the crying, but the AUDIENCE who watch. I mean if the bad guy isnt necessary bad, then the writer has failed. If he end up doing exactly what the good guy wants to do, then why the hell he has to kill them off for no good reason?
I can see it if its a war that base on different religious belief, then no one is necessary the bad guy. But this is just stupidity if you make the the character as the Final Boss and THEN give him the win easily, thats bad writing all the way
im here at 2020 i just finished the series im crying:(
I know I'm late to this video, but I just want to bring up on a different aspect, which is how absolutely haunting the final battle is, especially when Mika finally releases all of the safeties and you just hear Barbatos Lupus Rex's cooling vents HOWL. This long, mournful, hateful sound that clearly scares the ever living soul out of most of the enemy soilders...and then seeing him practiaclly teleport across the battlefield via the radar. Two pings and suddenly he's on you like a wild animal that was backed into a corner, and that really is the best way to put it.
I absolutely loved almost everything about IBO, and while I'd love to see more in the Calamity Timeline, I have no personal idea as to what they could do.
Rustal Elion is Dr. Strange
This was a good series. Went in depth with the characters. Sad about Laufter. I really hoped her and the muscle guy looked up. You knew it was not going to end well for them. Kept getting used as pawns. Glad they did not everyone. Glad Ride got the gun dealer. Was not happy they brought the guy with the blue hair back.
Naze’s death hit the most. One of my favorite characters turned into a tragic love story
Just rewatched it and Gjallahorn hasnt lost anyone of importance while Tekkadan has also it seemed like it started going down hill in horrible writing and everyone had death flags after the mobile armor arc
This is nonsense. The difference between Gjallarhorn (specifically Rustal's faction) and Tekkadan is that the Martian people are oppressed. So if Tekkadan, in fighting for Martian sovereignty, break the rules of war and use underhanded tactics there is a certain justice in it. Tekkadan are a faction of orphans and ex-slaves who are fighting for their rights, Gjallarhorn are a faction created for the purpose of keeping poor Martians like them down -- how are they both morally culpable to the same degree? The violence of the slave and the violence of the slave-owner are never equivalent.
Jeran Korak oh are you one of those people who believe slavery and colonialism didn't happen?
Jeran Korak a war crime can literally only be carried out by a sovereign state through a military body i. e. gjallarhorn, thats the very definition of war crime. may i remind you that tekkadan, like countless other guerilla armies in history, were not a sovereign state (that's what they were fighting for the right to be) but a civilian militia and therefore are not legally culpable for war crimes, nevermind morally.
in any case, one side of the conflict only commits war crimes in order to survive and ultimately to abolish the need for war and war crimes altogether. the other side resorts to them to brutally continue its own rule over the other. they are not political or moral or legal equals in this sense at all.
That's why i said 'in any case'. That is, even if you COULD classify them legally as 'war crimes' (which in real-world international law you cannot), they are not equivalent.
Justice is not blind and you are utterly naive to think it is. Justice always serves particular interests. The justice of the state is just as much a representation of the personal beliefs and interests of a particular group of people. Because of this, the state in our world, and Gjallarhorn in the IBO world, are not neutral actors, they are armed groups that exist to keep a certain status-quo in power. Literally no progress in history has ever been made without people challenging unjust laws and unjust states. This theme was literally SPOON-FED to you in this anime, particularly in Season 1 where Gjallarhorn's control is EXPLICITLY described as responsible for the economic hardship on Mars, why orphans starve in the streets, or are sold as slaves, etc. Gjallarhorn are willing to shoot peacefully demonstrating civilians and workers, bomb them, frame them (on Mars, and in the colonies), or assassinate peaceful diplomats like Kudelia or Makanai, all to keep this system where they rule the Earth Sphere in check. (Note: the laws that deem the actions of Tekkadan criminal are laws made by Gjallarhorn in the interests of Gjallarhorn, without any Martian having a say in it because - remember - Mars isn't sovereign! that's the whole point of the plot! the law isn't neutral precisely because Martians have no say in their own government.) It's astounding that you can ignore all that plot detail and claim Tekkadan and Gjallarhorn are just as guilty as each-other. It bears mentioning that Tekkadan (or CGS's') first encounter with Gjallarhorn was an unprovoked attack; had CGS not defended themselves ('war crimes'!!! 'breaking the law'!!!) they would have all been massacred. In fact for all of S1 Tekkadan are literally acting in self-defence, while Gjallarhorn are trying to murder a peaceful diplomatic delegation. Tekkadan only ever resort to underhanded or violent tactics because Gjallarhorn consistently closed off every other option.
Yes, Gundam has always been about creating heroes and villains with complex and realistic motivations, no one is outright evil or good, they are acting out of their own group interests. But Gundam has never been about moral nihilism. Just because people have realistic motivations does not mean, just like in the real world, that there are no causes that are better than others or more worthy of support. The way Mari Okada portrays Tekkadan and Kudelia, when they talk about their beliefs, their aspirations and their willingness to fight for causes like ending slavery, or ending child poverty on Mars, or fighting for Martian sovereignty, there is an UNMISTAKEABLE sense of endorsement -- that this is what 'the good guys' are fighting for. If you're unable to understand that then you either have a completely broken moral compass ('durrrr slavery is ok cos it's the law') and/or you're blind to obvious thematic cues.
And just for the record, I think it's a sad ending because the 'villains' won. I don't think Rustal is a 'good guy' just because his faction won in the end as you seem to do and as the original video says. However for the same reason, I also think it's a well-written and realistic ending because, just like in the real world, real rebels and heroes die in the struggle and are forgotten to history, while the rulers write their own accounts.
This comment was spot on.
I love the ending but I feel like Mika deserve a better death.. he didn't died because he met his match, he died because of the unfair circumstances... I just wanted to see a one on one battle to the death lol
Anger isnt always a bad emotion to feel towards a show. It means that it was good enough to draw something out of you
i hate they gave julietta the title of devil killer. she literally came in and took his head after the soldiers got him with the deinsleif. im getting Asuka EVA flashbacks with the fish lipped eva clones.
she doesnt deserve this tittle. and that asshole rustle cheated using illegal equipment... i know he planted the "mole" to give him an excuse but thats a load of bull. i know for damn sure if america launched a nuke on its self using a mole. the rest of the world would not condone nuclear annihilation. (yes i know these are not nukes but you get the idea of illegal weaponry)
Funny, I didn't exactly hate Rustal, but I think that authors didn't showed enough of his positive sides. I think what could be done to make him better character, they should have given him more time shown in positive light. If we would see Rustal from different points of view, not just as rival to protagonists, he would have been much more compelling character and his actions after victory wouldn't look that 180 of his actions during the story. So my problem isn't with character in the end, it's more of a problem on how simple he is during the show.
Ehhhh perfect? I’m not sure I really don’t understand why people belieave just because it’s a realistic ending it’s the most perfect thing Ever.Thats not how things work you need to have the right build up the perfect execution it needs to fit the theme there are so many things that you need to have a checklist for before making an ending like that , RDR 1 is a perfect example of that ,this anime on the other hand was just mediocre imo the ending it tried to do something special and out of its league
Agreed.
Truly hated this show.
Wish I could get all the time I wasted watching it back.
Endless bullshit scheming by a bunch of old bastards that in a world with tech like that their treachery would never have gone hidden had people operated accordingly.
All of a sudden complex comm hacks don’t exist anymore.
How about alerting suspicion to cover your ass, nope..
Really Naze nor Orga verified cargo? Records of anything ?
Verification in general just doesn’t happen anymore, everyone acts and operates on face value.
Really the mole just happened to have only one of those weapons ? Only one ? and the only side to have damn near hundreds after it was fired was Gahlahorn ? (Don’t care it’s spelt wrong)
Really this weapon is illegal let me store a millions so I could set up people and then call on some bullshit law and conveniently have them on hand during battle. Like fuck you.
Our guys walking around in broad daylight with a single pistol. After the girl got shot. REaLLy ?
Just a bunch of convenient dumb bullshit to fuck our guys.
Everything was crafted to further a a plot of nothing but poignance.
Shows like this really think the audience is a bunch of fucking idiots😡😂
@christopherc93 Dude, for those issues you can pretty much figure it out lmao. Do you saw how Mika survive the stab in first season? Yeah same shit for Gaelio.
These kind of stuff are the one that don't require 100% explanation and it would be a waste of time.
Rustal isn't vague, you just need to rewatch lmao. They only have 25 episodes, they don't have time to like explain everything lmao
Still can't get over the ending. This is my favorite Gundam series.
Its little-known, but for me, IBO is a top-10 all time anime.
I cried my dude ;-; I cried so hard
I just feel like they should of created an alternate ending.
I was filled with hatred like I want to fight them xD
ZinoAmare me too
This is the only anime ending that actually made me tear up. I was a wreck at the end of this. That ending was so good. I love how all of the ideas that Magilis was so good, and ironic.
Those last 2 episodes had me crying man, especially that final confrontation between McGilles and Gaelio
Sequel with Mika’s kid is such an obviously good motion for the entire franchise.
And having him pilot a repaired barbatos which contains his father's soul would be fitting and we have seen a similar thing with akihiro
@@Aceshot-uu7yx yesssss in a perfect world
This shit bombed in Japan and it’s widely mocked and considered a joke in Asia, Gundam’s main sphere of influence. They wouldn’t dare
In my opinion the ending was perfect without all the video essays having to explain it. Tekkadan’s goal was never to save the world, it was to survive and keep moving forward as the most emotional character death in human history attested to. Kudelia wanted Martian independence, McGilles wanted to be a big boy but the goal of the kids themselves was only ever the safe, happy place Orga had promised them. They had been suicidally rushing towards a constantly moving goal for two seasons and the realisation that they already had everything they needed was the ideal finale for the series.
Man i really feel bad for akihiro he’s literally lost everyone he cared about one by one :( ,and didn’t even expressed how much he loved them until it was to late
I am so happy with this video you are correct in saying all the 3 parties had many similarities . The only thing was they had different ways to do it . Really happy with this video
"Tekkadan were allied with criminal groups"? Have you not been watching the anime? They were just a bunch of kids who grew up in a world filled with adults who were trying to off them. They were fighting SO they could GO to a place, where they didn't need to fight anymore. Didn't Tekkadan conclude that, "it's either kill or be killed" in order to live?
And, the mafia wasn't REALLY the mafia. I mean we are talking about space here. There's no such thing as mafia. In space, everyone's just trying to survive. How could you call a group, an outlaw organisation, just because ideologically or geographically, they are different from yourself? When, Gjallarhorn, itself, was corrupt. And the reason why they were corrupt, was because of a certain dirtbag leader who used underhanded tactics and "outlawed" weapons. Dissolving the Seven Stars system (well, because 3 family heads were lost), assuming the top post, and passing the leadership on to your right-hand (wo)man, doesn't make it democracy.
It maybe a perfect ending, but it's left me wholly unsatisfied. Leaving only the semi-important characters around, essentially means they've killed off a possible sequel.
I really wanted Mikazuki to just tear everything to Shreds after Orgas death.
yessssssssssssss
i was excited to see what he would do bc i knew he would be pissed. he was sad at first then he was pissed. as soon as he got pissed i was like "SoMe OnEs GoNnA dIe!"
@@Eden-zn4zzMan who you telling. I just hate that he killed himself, but after biscuits death I just knew in the back of my mind that none of them were going to make it 😭
every death from tekkadin and their partners made me cry but nothing made me absolute ball up than seeing the 3 wrist bands around the kid at the end. goddamit that got me hard,
It was a really good plot. No one was a hero, no one was innocent and no one was left unpunished.
For me I loved the show, ending included. It was heartbreaking and Rustal, Julietta were boring and neither of them had any form of real weight when on screen. So having them come out on top in the end is what upset me about it but great show. Sincerely, I cried.
They need to make a series about the clamity war to be honest but that wouldn’t happen🤦🏾♂️
Ldotz 07 i remember thinking the same thing. We never find out what happened
Buy enough gunpla from the ibo series and demand calamity war to bandai and they would def make one
They make more money in gunplas and that reflects on what manga,games or anime they would make
ALL 72 GUNDAMS. IMAGINE 72 MIKA’S.
Jacob Hutchison I can’t even comprehend it...
Man this show was such an amazing slow burn. The last fight always brings me to tears. The build up and pay off is some of the best I've seen in modern anime. They could not live in the world that they wanted to create and died for their sins. The ultimate martyrdom. Thank you for the upload.
“We finally made it, to the place we belong.. right? Orga”
Mika said that dying on the ground where it all began 😭