Why Characters Got Selected: Super Smash Bros. Brawl - in by Popular Demand
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The biggest part of the Super Smash Bros. speculation scene is trying to guess which characters will make the cut. Yet, a lot of people don't seem to understand why their favourite fighters actually made it in, or why they didn't. Today's focus was the game that introduced many players to the series so join NantenJex as he explains why characters got selected for Super Smash Bros. Brawl.
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Sources:
Sakurai leaves HAL Laboratory: sourcegaming.info/2015/06/23/i...
Iwata requests Sakurai make Brawl: sourcegaming.info/2015/05/02/...
Sonic joins the battle: sourcegaming.info/2016/07/24/...
Lucas replacing Ness (Melee): www.sourcegaming.info/2016/01/...
Olimar denied for Melee: web.archive.org/web/2012062111...
Lack of character-driven series: www.smashbros.com/wii/en_us/g...
Meta Knight is Kirby's rival: www.smashbros.com/wii/en_us/ch...
Pit's design is updated: www.sourcegaming.info/2015/07/...
"New Fire Emblem Rep": web.archive.org/web/2012062111...
Lucario just makes it in: miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/A...
Sakurai is not aware of ROB in MKDS: sourcegaming.info/2015/08/17/...
Wolf is highly requested: sourcegaming.info/2015/08/17/...
For sources relating to information that was also in prior videos (i.e. Snake and Sonic being requested) please check the description of previous episodes.
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The toon design actually debuted on Four Swords for GBA, released on US less than 20 days Wind Waker was released on Japan
@@Dairunt1 I know WW was announced before but, if we consider who was released first...
Fábio Castanho Emídio Doesn't matter. It debuted in Wind Waker's debut. It only came earlier in GBA since 2D games are significantly easier to make, let alone a small game bundled with a port.
@@AarturoSc yeah the release doesn’t really matter here it’s which was developed first
It debuted in the wind waker first
Toon Link from Wind Waker
Video: Sonic's moveset wasn't because he was a late addition
Comments: I hate how Sonic's late addition made his moveset like that
Not only that, Sakurai had to play Sonic 06 for Sonic’s Moveset.
Brandon Williams Poor Sakurai lol
@@brandonwilliams6119 It was the PlayStation version too, which is even more glitchy
@@gamemaster2819 when did he confirm it was the PlayStation version?
@@IcyDiamond Read the interview in the description
One thing worth mentioning about Ike is that Sakurai wanted to make a powerful, slow swordsman from the start. He just didn't know who it would be until Intelligent Systems suggested Ike. That's why Ike is so slow in Smash, while in home game, he's actually one of the faster party members.
Also, Jigglypuff, Toon Link, and Wolf, were likely the last characters to be added in Brawl. According to Sakurai, they were low priority characters, and they were almost cut from the game entirely. That's part of the reason why they are the last characters to unlock and why they don't have any involvement in the Subspace Emmisary
So thats why Ike is slow in Brawl, never knew that. I thought Sakurai thought Ike was sluggish due to the size of Ragnell.
I mean you could argue that it's basically because of Ragnell being pretty heavy though Ike doesn't have too much problems doing double attacks even with Ragnell except for Black Knight and Ashnard.
I knew that but perhaps Sakurai didn't, who knows?
@@radiantlun7406 it sounds like the roy issue all over again where sakurai saw RD ike then based the character around that
@@AwesomeReshiram Yeah, many Fire Emblem characters don't match their combat style and/or personality. Roy is agressive in Smash but not in Binding Blade, Ike is much faster in PoR and RD than his Smash iteration, and Lucina would not insult Marth and Ike as she respects Marth since she is his decendant. I dont know if Sakurai implemented those features intentionally or made it based on their look. Then again, we can't expect Sakurai to know everything about every game he has included in Smash.
I have always been genuinely curious to know how Lucas ended up getting selected, I suppose it was for developmental purposes, but it has intrigued me to this day.
"It wasn't until 2007 that Sega changed their minds and allowed Sakurai to use Sonic in Brawl"
hmmmm I wonder what could've happened just before 2007 that might've influenced this decision.
2006!
I also wonder why konami changed thier mind to add snake in ultimate.
Remember that was a rumor lol
The Wii
I just want sega to put on shadow and sonic tho
Ness in exchange for Mother 3 released globally... In this scenario, I wonder if he would have been DLC for 4 like Lucas was, or would we have had to wait for "Everyone is here!"
I hate Ness players who spam PK Fire and then back throw or f-smash, but I really like Ness as a character. It would’ve been sad to see him absent for any period. I was upset enough about Mewtwo, Young Link and Roy cut from Brawl.
@@GatorOne-in7hk In my opinion none of the original 12 should ever be cut in future Smash games, they're just too iconic at this point
I'm almost in disbelief that Sakurai would consider cutting one of the 12 original characters from a Smash game. He also considered cutting Jigglypuff, but I can at least understand her because she's really not relevant whilst Ness is the protagonist of the most popular Mother game.
@Kirby lover That's some bias.
@@GatorOne-in7hk if you hate PK fire just SDI
I feel like there wasn't enough time dedicated to Snakes' inclusion, we can actually thank Kojima's son for Snake being in Smash as he wanted him in the game and so Kojima asked his good friend Sakurai to put him in the game (Kojima is such a great dad).
We really take Snake for granted nowadays but i find it fascinating that it was him, sometimes considered a "Sony icon" and not Sonic or Megaman that got to be the first 3rd party in Smash, such an oddball but a great way to open the gates to what it has become a big part in the franchise as guest characters.
I wonder if Kojima's son now has an amiibo of Snake after he was brought back for Ultimate?
Don't forget that Snake is associated with a predominantly M rated series, so it hits even more different than, say, Crash or Spyro would have.
YES!! Finally. Someone who knows the actual origin of Sonic’s moveset (granted source gaming made this translation, but they still had to read it again for this video)
Remember when people wanted Shadow to be an echo fighter of Sonic, even though they complain a lot about Sonic's moveset? So basically, they wanted two Sonic characters with the same moveset.
Humans don't know what they want
I think they wanted some different specials when they saw chrom being a roy echo with a new up special
You do realize that Shadow can do more than spin dash? He’s got Chaos Control, Chaos Spear, Chaos Blast...
Well yes Sonic's moveset is uninspired and his overall presentation feels lacking compared to other legacy characters. He could still have been fun. nobody could've presumed that Sonic would have turned out so poorly designed so yeah people wanted Shadow. they also could have done more to differentiate them mechanically
@@GatorOne-in7hk That's not the point he's making. He's saying if Shadow got added as an echo he still would have had most if not all of the same moves as Sonic based on how most of the echoes are treated in the game.
"We come up with fan rules to justify our fan rules and really, we don't need to."
Because Sakurai is the only one who makes the rules, not us.
There's really nothing else we can do though if we want to speculate realistically.
I’m loving this series so far, can’t wait to hear about brawls cut roster since that seems like the most interesting set of cut characters so far!
I hope the last episode is Ultimate DLC, characters like Steve, Joker, Sephiroth, etc
ayyyyy
I would like this comment but it’s at 69 likes 🤷♂️
@@uppermostplayer then I’ll like it!
Hey look, it’s the guy! In the comments! The other TH-camr in this comment section.
King dedede being sakurais creation is the EXACT reason he wasnt in melee. Sakurai felt it would have appeared too self indulgent on his part if there were two kirby reps
But then he makes Meta Knight by far the best character in Brawl.. 😂
@@chrisbeach423 To counteract that, the playable E3 demo of SSBB was actually said that MK was one of the lesser characters, having tons of end lag and slow aerials. It seems Sakurai took comments personally and made MK blazing fast, perhaps too much so.
And now here we are, asking for more Kirby representation. Mine would be Adeline and Ribbon
It’s funny because ever since Smash 4 he’s been burying Kirby in the grave, and putting Fire Emblem on a Pedestal.
I guess he doesn't care about that anymore i mean, there were 3 Kid Icarus characters in Smash 4 before Metroid and DK got better representation until Ultimate.
We're getting to the good stuff now! Looking forward to why characters got cut from Brawl.
It'll be interesting with the Forbidden 7
@@laxduckguy1644 Forbidden 7? Can you tell me more?
@@Cyanmartinez They were 7 characters who were scrapped from brawl but were found by the people who went in the files of Brawl. I could tell you who they were but incase you don't want to be spoiled for the next video I won't. Or you can also look up the forbidden 7 to find out more.
@@laxduckguy1644 Even though the next video could be months away, let's not spoil it. But thanks for the info.
Pra-Mai = Plusle and Minun would’ve been an interesting Pichu Comprimise.
Ike was always my favorite new character in Brawl. It was cool having a heavy, longer reaching sword wielder in Smash. Also he made up for Ganondorf never using his sword(s) in his moveset until Ultimate, lol.
I liked it better when Ganondorf never used a sword tbh. I liked how he didn’t feel the need to use a weapon to show his strength and power. Plus, I liked getting to body my enemies up close with a slow but strong character.
@@Masked_Mastermind True, I think Ganondorf should use magic more than anything. I think of him with the sword as at least a step in the right direction, away from being merely a Captain Falcon clone. They should have made Ganondorf more like how they made Sephiroth. A strong character with magic, but Ganondorf should be a bit tankier and less centered on his sword than Sephiroth.
@@PhantomEidolon I’d rather have Ganondorf be a slow but strong version of Captain Falcon than having him use Ike’s forward and up smash and Cloud’s down smash. Also, since the Ganondorf in Ultimate is from OoT, he shouldn’t even have a sword since he never used one in that game. I would have liked it better if they made him a mage and a brawler instead of giving him a sword.
Honestly I wish we’d gotten Ganondorf from Hyrule Warriors in Ultimate. Magic, trident and twin swords all seem like they hold a lot of potential for a new move set.
@@goldlight1322 That would be pretty cool. Maybe next Smash? 😉😁
Sad to think abut how Krystal from Star Fox series was going to be added but she wasn't included because she is too unique. One of the issues with the series is a good few similar characters. Although it was still nice we got a new Star Fox character. Thankfully she got an assist trophy upgrade in Ultimate. That really shows off how much fun and unique she could be as a playable fighter. Be amazing to have four playable Star Fox characters in the next game.
Great video, but I missed the mention of Blastoise being considered for Pokémon Trainer and that Sheik's design came from a supposed concept made for Twilight Princess that is even featured in the Hyrulw Historia artbook...
Maybe their waiting for the cut character's video
The concept was made for Brawl specifically though, to assist the designers I believe. Sheik was never actually intended to be in Twilight Princess.
@@UltraMario i think she was cut right after the design
Actually Sheik's Design in Brawl was based on early Concept Art for Sheik for Twlight Princess, it was shown in the Legend of Zelda 25th Anniversary Art Book by Dark Horse Publishing. I even have a copy of said book😢
Wario in Smash was a dream come true, and while he turned out quite a bit different than I was expecting, I still LOVED his addition and main him to this day!
Cant believe my main was a lucky addition being Wolf. I will be forever grateful for him to be back in Ultimate. It will probably be his last.
Im glad Wolf made it in. He is unique and so much fun and of course the enemy of Star Fox is a good choice
I'd have appreciated a bit more detail about Pit. It seems obvious to me that Pit was a successor to the Ice Climbers, not just "another retro character" - Icies were from the Famicom, so Pit was pulled from the roster of the Famicom Disk System.
He was also in fairly high demand - Kid Icarus was an iconic classic NES game here thanks in no small part to Captain N, and geeky 30somethings who grew up in the 80s had a lot of nostalgia for him. That plus his trophy in Melee definitely generated a buzz about him in particular, alongside some of the retro characters Sakurai considered publicly like Balloon Fighter. I'd credit his inclusion more to that and Sakurai's own spark of creative interpretation than to the GBA port, lol.
Man, the build-up and hype for Pit's reveal was ENORMOUS at the time. Watching that E3 trailer live with my friends, we all popped off hardest at his redesign.
I wish we could've offered more. Unfortunately we can only go off of what Sakurai himself has said on the matter. Hopefully he might get quizzed on it one day, or a never before seen interview appears.
Brawl had such amazing newcomers.
While Sonic's moves et isn't due to him being a late edition, I still can't help but think what would happen if he was added in Smash 4. I feel like there would have been a push to make it more unique especially if he was DLC. Oh well, he's still my main and will probably always be.
I feel like he still wouldn't be too complicated or gimmicky overall. Maybe one of his spin dashes would have been replaced by a boost move or something, but I doubt he would diverge too much from the sort of character he is already.
@@tacoman422 Sonic's side B allows him to be invincible, but only for one second. Sonic's Down B is more useful for combo's.
I love Source Gaming quashing these bs rumors Smash fans enforce as "fact".
Am I the only one that’s severely depressed that Meta Knight has a different English VA in Smash than the one in Kirby: Right Back At Ya! and Kirby 3D. Eric Stuart was the VA for the Kirby series, while Eric Newsome was the VA for Smash.
Thank you for saying it was unfair to blame Sonic for Brawl's delay. Which BTW yeah he was my favorite even though his moveset was repetitive.
I feel like brawl is more iconic than it gets credit for. I know people love melee but imo this holds a staple as well for many reasons. It was the first to do alot of things and have many of the most popular characters including sonic (who alot of us thought would never be in the game)
This dudes anime version looks exactly how I imagine a Yoshi player to look like
_"The protagonist of the most popular game in the Country line."_
Donkey Kong Country: 9,300,000 copies
Donkey Kong Country 2: 5,150,000 copies
Sit. Down.
From what I've seen a lot of people actually think Diddy's Kong Quest is better than the original, at least gameplay and level design-wise. So, it's not exactly wrong.
@@crakabolazy4090 Yeah, sales don't always equal popularity. Sticker Star sold more than the Thousand Year Door but I'm pretty sure the latter is more popular.
"Suuuuupeeeeer Donnnnkeeeeey Kooooong Twoooooooo!"
Most popular in some circumstances, not the most popular in others.
Obviously in the fanbase it's the most popular, but in the wider video gaming sphere the first game is more popular, and definitely referenced more.
Why does this feel like a Twitter post
The only issue I have with Sonic's moveset is that his Side Special is too similar to his Down Special. I think it was very creative to base most of his normal attacks on his moveset in "Sonic the Fighters" / "Sonic Championship."
I feel the same. Personally I think they should just change his side special to a boost
His moves are also extremely unsafe and lacklustre,being up to -20 and -26 on shield.Something inexcusable on a fast light wieght.
I think most of the people that want Shadow want that relic PS2 game Shadow the Hedgehog feeling. He’d probably have a Uzi of course his fuckin motorcycle and for sure a chaos rage type of thing going on.
@@InfinityHS nah. We don’t need another joker
@@codered1132 idgaf
One thing that bugs me about Solid Snake in Smash is his design and behavior. Let’s say the Smash team didn’t want to make Luigi a separate fighter and instead decided to combine him with Mario, the result is a fighter that identifies as Mario but has Luigi’s head, personality, abilities and equipment. That’s basically what they did with Solid Snake in Smash, they gave him traits from Naked Snake who is a different character. These traits include Naked Snake’s head, personality, weapons and camouflage outfits which were used for the alternate costumes. I assume the Smash team wanted to kill to birds with one stone, I wonder why they made this decision, it’s a question that’s never been answered. I would like to see Solid Snake without Naked Snake’s traits because it would be canonically accurate and if they wanted they could use all the Naked Snake traits and make Naked Snake a moveset which would be mostly completely different from Solid Snake.
Great video, but I have a question about 7:25. I'm almost positive I have read an article by Sakurai, saying that Sonic's punch-punch-kick combo is a reference to Virtua Fighter. That probably explains the "since he's from Sega" line, but I'm sure I recall him explicitly saying Virtua Fighter at one point. Any ideas? As a side note, Sakurai has admitted he's a big fan of Virtua Fighter.
Yup, SG's own translation of Sakurai's article he did about Sonic in Brawl mentions Virtua Fighter being the influence for that!
Say what you want about Brawl, but you gotta admit it was a blast to play. My friend let me borrow Brawl for a week and it was amazing. Pokèmon Trainer was my favorite character and I’m so glad they are back in Ultimate.
I enjoyed Brawl more than I enjoy Ultimate.
I never thought the Pokemon Trainer would ever be back. I always thought if Squirtle and Ivysaur came back, they would be solo characters like Charizard. But, I'm glad the Trainer came back and better than ever.
@@Conductor1991 Same, although I kind of liked it when Charizard was his own character.
@@Masked_Mastermind R.I.P. Rock Smash. Gone but never forgotten.
@@k-leb4671 Don’t forget about Mega Charizard X.
YES!! Cant wait. I fucking love this series. An this one will be hugeeee Brawl is when the roster started getting huge and we got the 3rd parties. Will be watching in 16 hours 😂
This series gets me hype every time! Thanks guys
Amazing video! Keep it up! Also I love how you cited your sources. I will definitely visit some of the links in the description.
Brawl is my most favorite game in the smash series
"What characters does the world want to see the most"
Smash Ultimate fans: uhm....
What?
i shrieked like a little girl when lucario was unlocked, and even more when i got toon link. sorry ike.
I really love this. Ever since Source gaming was launched, it really helped me explain a lot of things like why certain characters were chosen or rejected. And why their moveset the way it is. Plus, it even helps me figure out why some characters were unlockable like Lucario and Ness in Brawl. Keep up the good work and I can't wait for the next video. Remember folks, great things take time and patience.
Wolf is awesome but man it’s such a shame Krystal has never been playable. She would add some diversity to the Starfox cast as well as be another female rep which is always nice
I’ve heard that Wolf was also included as a replacement for Krystal. I don’t remember exactly why Krystal got assist trophy shafted, but I think it was a mix of time constraints and Starfox 2 being canceled.
@@JWillicus SF2 cancelled? Which game are we talking about? SF2 was cancelled even before Smash 64 was a thing
@@wolfdragox5563 I honestly don’t remember where I heard that info since it’s been so long, but I tried looking into it and all I’ve found is time constraint cuts, so you’re probably right.
I never want Krystal in smash unless the other two original smash characters get in first snd dhe gets some massive charachter developmeny. I’m sorry but I hate Krystal, she’s a one note damsel in distress who’s only purpose is to be Fox’s love interest. The fact that she replaced Peppy only makes me more irritated with her.
Pit was the character that was odd in brawl
Why because his design was original
And his voice was werid
Pit and Lucas actually had the same voice actress in Brawl.
The fight is on
@@WaluigiTime-8106 that’s different tho
I find it surprising that Pit got into Brawl, while Little Mac had to wait until Smash 4. While Brawl pre-dates both of their revival games, there was at least a "Punch-out!! game on the SNES, which was at least more relevant than the "Kid Icarus" series was at the time.
Maybe bc Sakurai already had plans for Kid icarus uprising and he wanted Pit to have the spotlight bc of that, he probably wasn’t aware of Punch out or he didn’t cared enough to make Mac a playable fighter
To weigh in on the idea that Sonic's moveset was rushed because of development...
There's only 3 moves that actually seem to be borrowed from other fighters, and all but 1 still hold resemblance to Sonic The Fighters moves. Up tilt looks like the Skip Kick, the forward air looks like the Emerald Dive, with back air as the outlier. Since we know that Fighters was referenced for Sonic's moveset, it's possible that's exactly why those 2 were used. But even ignoring that, reusing a few existing moves seems to happen even with lovingly-made DLC characters in Ultimate that I assume aren't made on a "crunch". Joker seems to have even more moves that are similar to other fighters' than Sonic, Banjo has some similar to Ridley, Hero to Swordies. Going forward, the new down smash and dash attack do also resemble Fox/Falco, but time maybe wasn't the reason there either for those moves that still didn't pull much inspiration from canonical Sonic moves.
Even the infamous ball moves at least have precedent for being there. Dash attack was like rolling into a ball with pressing down in the Genesis games, nair is basically the Insta-Shield (Sonic also mid-air spinning in, again, Fighters), down throw and down smash look like Fighters moves too, leaving the up smash for his neutrals as the outlier, I guess representing "spin attacking in mid-air" at best, which is redundant through the nair. And sure, representing the 2D AND 3D variations of the Spin Dash seems like a very convenient design choice, but Lucario, Wolf and Bowser Jr. also barely made it into their games without compromises within their special moves at least. This can still come off as redundant, the Smash team itself having gone on to change a couple of these moves, but at the very least I totally see the homing attack, 1 Spin Dash, "basically the Insta-Shield", the old rolling dash attack and down throw as making complete sense for Sonic in Smash, and that just leaves 2 redundancies by the time you get to Ultimate.
Come to think of it, I guess the newly-isolated kick of the dash attack fits into the simple, yet speedy mindset Sakurai talks about here, maybe the best out of any of Sonic's dash attacks though I would have liked retaining the original reference? And I get changing the down smash from Smash 4 onward seeing as it was also kinda present in one of Sonic's get up attacks.
Also Sonic was very expressive in Brawl, which doesn't seem to be rushed, unlike Wolf's jerky, feral appearance (though unlike Smash 4 onward, that was still the dated 06-era Sonic design within Brawl's murky aesthetics, so...).
I think the reason Sonic is less expressive in later Smash games is because Sega doesn’t like Sonic being too expressive (for some reason). It’s been like that since the DIC cartoons and they likely only allowed it for Brawl because it was too late to change them
@@gamemaster2819 Ah yes, the "more expressive" Sonic that still used the design intrinsically linked to the least popular Sonic game ever.
@@TomTheyy Sonic in Brawl is expressive, because at least Sega tried with Unleash, but ever since Colors that's when Sonic games got a lower budget and was less expressive.
@@orangeslash1667 Technically Unleashed was only publicly known about and released after Brawl came out, but I'm guessing you rather mean that particular era of modern Sonic's look.
@@TomTheyy The good news is that in Sonic's prefect Shield pose, he has a shit eating grin on his face, that looks very similar to the cover art of SA 2.
Here’s a theory: Sonic’s late addition is the reason why Mewtwo got cut from Brawl. I mean just think about it, adding Sonic was most likely a big priority so they paused development on other fighters to make sure there was enough time to add Sonic which is why characters like Toon Link, Wolf, Jigglypuff, and even Lucario almost didn’t make it in. Mewtwo could have been another character who almost didn’t make it in but instead he was cut entirely because of time constraints since they had to stop working on his development so that there would be enough time to add Sonic. Mewtwo even had the most development put into him compared to all of the other cut characters.
@@Dairunt1 True. It’s interesting to think about what the roster would have been like and how many more characters we would have gotten if Sonic was planned from the start instead of being a late addition.
@@Dairunt1 For some reason, Smash Ultimate’s character select screen shows Lucario, King Dedede, Lucas, and R.O.B. after Sonic even though Sonic was clearly added after them.
@@Dairunt1 I guess that explains it then.
I think one of the unlock requirements for Sonic supports your theory. One of them is by playing 10 hours of VS mode and is the only character to have 4 ways instead of three. Guess who has a similar way to unlock in Melee?
@@Conductor1991 That’s a good point! Although I think Sonic’s unlock method is a little different since you only have to have a total playtime of 10 hours, whereas Mewtwo’s unlock method requires you to play a single match for however many hours you need for him to be unlocked. But it is interesting that Sonic is the only character who has 4 unlock methods.
Favorite characters from Brawl
Pit, Lucario, Wolf
Characters I wanted for Brawl that made it in
Ike, King Dedede, Diddy Kong, Wario
Characters I wanted in Brawl who didn't make it in
King K. Rool, Miciah, Isaac
I'd argue that the Young Link role has been taken over by the design they made for the oracles, since that's what has been used for Link's Awakening and A Link Between Worlds... but all of those titles were sort of tied together by Alttp, so I'm really curious of what design we'll get for the next fully original topdown Zelda.
Awesome video, btw! I have seen a los of videos on these subjects, but I really liked how exhaustive and well presented this one was.
I have two hot takes in terms of Brawl's roster:
Hot take 1: Krystal should have been added instead of Wolf due to moveset potential and the representation of Starfox outside of the "Lylat Wars" games.
Hot take 2: Simon should have been added instead of Snake in my opinion due to Simon's and Castlevania's more extensive history with Nintendo compared to Snake and Metal Gear, altough I know Kojima himself requested Snake so you can't really compare the two but still.
Krystal was considered, but she was dropped for Wolf due to time constraints since, as you said, she has moveset potential, but said time constraints won't give them enough time to finish her.
I’m kind of glad those 2 things didn’t happen because I like Wolf’s moveset and we needed more villains, and Simon’s moveset is not fun to use at all in Ultimate which is why I’m glad we got Snake instead.
@@Masked_Mastermind Fair point.
I agree whit Simon should've been on the roster first. But at that time MG was more popular then castlevania so putting snake in was a business decisions.
Ooh the next video is probably the one I'm most excited for
I can't wait for the cut characters of brawl video
Yay, now we get to wait eight months for the next part in this video series
So that's why Lucario got in. I remember there were a lot of toxic mewtwo fans making false claims and whining about Lucario being in the game 😒
It was annoying because Lucario never replaced Mewtwo when Lucario himself almost got the chopping block too.
It's clear Aura Sphere was based on Shadow Ball, but other than that nothing about Lucario replaced Mewtwo.
I’ve been waiting for this
I wish Dixie was added in Ultimate as a semi-clone instead of Daisy or Dark Samus, both because I think Dixie would work well as a semi-clone and because it would have let the other two be added later with more unique movesets.
I would get rid of Dark Samus or Ken
@@Cyanmartinez I like Ken well enough but would have preferred Chun Li or M.Bison for a second Street Fighter character.
@@KAPTAINmORGANnWo4eva That's the main reason why I would cut Ken, There are better characters.
@@KAPTAINmORGANnWo4eva Fun Fact: DK' up B is a reference to Dixie.
Sheik was given a design from the concept art from twilight princess not from "scratch" lol
I’m gonna be honest. Brawl had the best newcomer roster. Along with Smash 4.
Tbh I'm glad *Sonic* wasn't in *Melee.*
With the amount of speed that game had he would've been as annoying as competitive *Fox* & *Falco* players. It's no wonder they slowed *Brawl* down.
16:03 that movie was my introduction to Pokémon. I turned on the TV and it was at the part where Regice showed up.
This is my favorite series.
Wolf is my absolute favorite video game character cause of him being in Brawl I’m so glad they decided to add him in, his look and voice was the best in that game
Ah, another day, another "laugh in the face of 2BIG memers", glad that my boi made it after all.
Now Geno, Waluigi and Isaac are the _New_ *Trio of Impossible*
"With the WarioWare series being hugely popular at the time, giving Wario even more to use for a moveset..."
"Giving Wario even more to use for a moveset"
🤔 Did it? That's like saying Mario Party gave Mario more to use for a moveset.
Yeah, off the top of my head, he totally uses the bike, the chomp kinda looks like one mini game, of course Wario Man, and his Dtilt and pummel have him poke with his finger, kinda like it was a touch screen thing in (Warioware Touched).
I was happy with R.O.B.'s addition to Brawl.
Since I grew up playing Mario Kart DS, seeing him end up in Super Smash Bros. (and him staying in the series) just continued the nostalgia trip.
That's a good question...
Now we're waiting for super smash Bros 3Ds and Wii u
thanks for the video
For Smash4, will you do both the base and DLC roster in one video or 2 video?
For ultimate, asking the same question in addition to if you think you’ll have that/these video made after all DLC are revealed?
And lastly, will you do a similar kind of video for mii costume?
That's what I'm hoping for making it happen source gaming
I really wish sonic was delayed from brawl so that he could be given justice in smash 4
Edit:By then he would have more source material and more carefull consideration to work with. His current mindset on fighters is vastly different now than it was then. Just look at steve and joker.
It really is disappointing that they didn't even re-work his moveset for Ultimate, he deserves so much better. He's probably the most likely third party rep to return if we get a Smash 6, but if his moveset remains the same then it would just be ridiculous.
@@nickname2239 the problem is how Sonic as a series was viewed back then. If what this video says is true, the main reason he stuck with the classic games as inspiration aside from how beloved they are were because everything else was criticized to death or not that popular to justify taking inspiration from. Even the Adventure titles didn't have much based off of them because 06 was a successor gameplay wise to them and Sakurai didn't want to choose something with a bad history behind it.
@@nickname2239 Late to repley. Fighters wasn't well known (or even well recieved) and Rush/Advance was a thing sure but the boost was yet to be a main mechanic as Unleashed wasn't a thing until later on in 2008 and both were probably viewed as spinoffs.
@@goodusermaadinternet6774 Maybe giving Sonic a boost would make him over powered???? There are many characters in Smash like Bayonetta, Samus, Ridley, Diddy Kong, and Mewtwo that aren't allowed to be as powerful as the games they come from for balance reasons.
Fun Fact:
Brawl has the same number of clones as Melee.
Unlike Melee, Brawl has no full clones.
Only Semi-Clones (Falco, Ganondorf, Luigi, Toony) and Pseudo-Clones (Lucas and Wolf)
Someone did there research.
I really wish Dark Samus was added in Brawl that way she would have been more unique, that said i'm not complaining, i can finally play as one of my most wanted characters ever, clone or not.
13:25 Why do you keep saying Charizord? Lol.
He has a little bit of an accent. Some words will sound very different than how you say it
@@kennywright2934 No, that's not due to accent. (maybe it is) but, when is an A ever pronounced as a O?
8:21 "Remember the character driven arc, it will be important in the next video" as if Cut Characters or in 3DS and Wii U??? Oooohhh... I guess Palutena's inclusion in 4 is character driven... And Robin & Lucina's inclusion in 4 is also because Fire Emblem Awakening was new and relevant... Great!!
I already can’t wait for this series for Ultimate of course Hero should be discussed I never knew DQ8 Hero’s name is :”Luminary”.
"Melie"
Interesting fact snake was in a smash bros clone back in 2003
Okay, I'll ask the ignorant question: Why the hate for Sonic's moveset? I was a huge fan during the Genesis days and I've dabbled in the 3D games...Sonic jumps, spins, and dashes. He spends half his time as a ball. That IS how Sonic plays. What else did people want? The sword from Black Knight? A were-hog transformation? Colors hadn't been released yet, so no Whisps...you can dislike his simplistic playstyle, but that is always what he's been.
Can someone more passionate and disproportionately angry explain for me?
Right.
Bro it's still a boring as hell moveset. I don't care if that's what he does in the original games, lmao. The hell?
They could've added his power ups or abilities from the 2D games. If Crash is added his moveset will just be spins because he lacks depth as well.
@@Blittsplitt5 Fun Fact: In Smash 4 Sonic has a custom move called Burning Spindash its a reference to the flaming summersault in SA 2.
I know I had a source on the Lucas replacing Ness in brawl thing before this video, but not only can I not find it, but its bizarrely absent from this video's sources
Sakurai and Miyamoto basically have the exact opposite philosophies. Sakurai has a plan long before acting and sticks to it, only tweaking what's feasible. Miyamoto always added things to games, changing them right up until they released. Both ask "will this be fun?" But both interpret this question very differently.
When I was playing Smash Wii U, I didn’t discover Lucario was in Brawl (which I owned) until after I unlocked Lucario in Wii U. That was weird to think about, and I thought Lucario was added in Wii U.
When are you going to do a video on Smash 4?
So ness almost got cut?
Shit, we were so close.
No
@@JohnLover1179 go play with dirt lucas.
Is there a playlist for this?
I just notice that most of your *Smash* footage is *Yoshiller* content lol
You can blame Sonic's boring moveset on Sega's refusal to have the character in the game from the start and changing their mind last minute.
You might actually be surprised...
@@AllSourceGaming I Actually Like Sonic moveset due to being faithful to the Genesis Games (And by Extension Mania) and Virtua Fighter (and its Mascot Version: Sonic the Fighters)
@@anthonygerardotorresgonzal6269 did this guy or girl just say this I’m sorry what lol
@@captainfalconmain6576 Yes!!
@@anthonygerardotorresgonzal6269 bruh I gonna pretend I didn’t hear this lol
Idea:gamemodes that need to be in smash bros ultimate
Targets & Boss Rush!
Smash Run!
@@TomTheyy Sephiroth’s Classic mode is basically Boss Rush mode. Or you could fight the final boss of World of Light again since that battle is basically a boss rush.
@@Masked_Mastermind either are missing duo bosses, one requires a staircase portion while the other is Sephiroth-exclusive, it's not the same and you know it.
@@TomTheyy I know it’s not the same but it’s the closest thing we’ll get. Also, what do you mean by “duo bosses”?
Thank goodness Wolf got lucky, without me taking a fascination to him when I saw him in brawl alot of my current interests would have never happened; I don't know what type of person I'd be if that door of trying new games and such didn't open. I am forever grateful he was put back into Ultimate because, without him I don't know if I'd be the same person honestly. I know it sounds weird but its true; because of Wolf I got into starfox and other things relatively similar.
I liked playing as Charizard in this game, one of my favorite Pokemon since the beginning!!!
Next time...
at long last...
Krystal for smash!
So Sonics moveset was made like that intentionally? Wow, that just makes things worse. If it was the way it is bc the game was rushed I could’ve excused it, but now I have no excuses.
It was kind of obvious considering his moveset is pretty much the same in smash 4 and ultimate, if it really was because he was rushed they probably would’ve done better in the sequel titles
Yes it's corny as shit
@@impulse5674 Maybe it's because improving his moveset would mean slowing him down for the sake for balance, because he's so fast.
Meta Knight! The best character in Brawl.
Of course, this airs right after I am completely happy with the roster I made for Brawl if I was Sakurai:
My Melee Roster (For Comparison): Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Yoshi, Wario, Donkey Kong, Link, Zelda (No Sheik), Kirby, King Dedede, Captain Falcon, Fox McCloud, Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Mr. Game & Watch, Ness, Marth
Characters I would have cut between Melee and Brawl: Jigglypuff
My Brawl Newcomers: Toad, Kamek, Mona, Diddy Kong, King K. Rool, Ganondorf, Toon Link, Ridley, Pit, Meta Knight, Falco Lombardi, Villager, Captain Olimar, Pokémon Trainer (Squirtle, Ivysaur, Charizard), Lucario, R.O.B., Solid Snake, Sonic the Hedgehog
Actual Brawl Characters I Didn't Add: Jigglypuff (Mewtwo was the higher priority), Sheik (Zelda did not need five characters yet), Ice Climbers (I feel like Retro Characters Should be More of a Tribute, so I had Mr. Game & Watch in Melee and Pit in Brawl in memory of Gunpei Yokoi, Duck Hunt in Smash 4 in memory of Hiroshi Yamauchi, and I would have added Balloon Fighter in Ultimate in memory of Satoru Iwata), Lucas (Considered to Replace Ness, Changed Back to Ness After Mother 3 Doesn't Release in the US), Zero Suit Samus (Ridley Exists), Ike (Fire Emblem was not a priority until Smash 4, in my opinion. If I did include a Fire Emblem character in Brawl, it would have been Lyn, the first character in the US), Wolf O'Donnell (Star Fox didn't need three characters, and I viewed Falco as a higher priority)
Where's king dedede?
@@goldshell9992 I would have added him in Melee, so he is not listed with the newcomers.
18:49 The design was from Twilight Princess. Sheik was cut from that game.
Kirby Squeak Squad and Super Star Ultra (depending on the region) came out before Brawl
Didn't Sakurai not want to include more Kirby characters because he didn't want to overrepresent his own series?
Yes, in Melee. Especially with that tight developing window.
Oh boy, can't wait to see the true reasons behind the controversial picks of WiiU/3DS and Ultimate. Specially the DLC ones.
Not sure who you’re talking about. The only controversial pick that I remember was Corrin, and she was obviously chosen to market her upcoming game, Fire Emblem Fates.
Corrin was actually hand picked by Sakurai, if that's what you are talking about. IIRC, Sakurai thought the idea of a Dragon in Smash would be cool but had reservations on how to make that idea, and having Corrin shown to "morph" parts of his own body and make Dragon-like features appear, to be a basis to make them in. Plus, Corrin was designed into a pierce character archetype, so it wouldn't be the same idea as previous FE swordsmen and be unique, big factor on the newcomers of FE for Smash 4.
Also Fates was a big deal to promote.
Not sure who else might have been controversial...
@@MakoShiruba Did Sakurai forget that Charizard was a character?
@@MakoShiruba I thought Sakurai was skeptical on including Corrin. I recall reading something that said that his team was the one to convince him to Corrin because they thought they'd have a unique moveset.
@@ditto6533 No, it's the opposite. Sakurai was the one that made his team agree on the idea of Corrin. Unless i'm missremembering.
What if someone hacked an older character into ultimate? Not meaning a model swap but that plus frame data, all alts, voice clips, and all old animations. I'm thinking we get N64 Pika, Melee Fox, Brawl Metaknight, and SSB4 Bayonetta.
Just cuz funny, we need Melee Kirby.
BRAWL IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE SMASH BROS GAME!
Wolf From Star Fox he’s another Nintendo Character/Villain Character to Be In Smash Bros. Brawl that I like to Main him In Smash Ultimate.
8:25 let’s fucking go
If you want Sakurai to put your favorite character in smash, just get him to play your games
Captain Falcon: I’ve been around since game one and I’m the only one without anymore representation. I’d settle for an echo fighter at this point.
Cus FZero is dead..?
@@Blittsplitt5 what, and the game and watch series wasn’t dead when the character was added? I’m going to need a better excuse then “dead series” because Nintendo doesn’t even abide by that rule.
@@stevelucky7579 Game and Watch was still a thing in both the Gameboy and the DS era.
@@orangeslash1667 f zer0 was still a thing in the game boy era and event a decent amount into the GBA era was selling physical new games (not just collections) If your gonna count g and w as having a presence in the DS era, F-Zero made it through past the 3DS era and the Wii U and is on the switch. If you mean actual games that had console releases then yeah, F-Zer0 wins.
@@stevelucky7579 The inspiration for Caption Falcon's moveset is the original Sentai Hero Kamen Rider. However I don't think Sakurai wants to do anything like that again.