Why Characters Got Selected: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo 3DS & Wii U DLC - The Ballot Conspiracy
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- The biggest part of the Super Smash Bros. speculation scene is trying to guess which characters will make the cut. Yet, a lot of people don't seem to understand why their favourite fighters actually made it in, or why they didn't. Join NantenJex as he covers two games with the same roster and explains why characters got selected for Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo 3DS & Wii U.
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7:22 oh yes, my favoritee character, Conetta
I remember during the ballot era that people were voting for Bayonetta because they thought Nintendo would have a hard time with the elements that "aren't for good boys and good girls". It's funny looking back because now apparently she was planned at the start. Nintendo had the last laugh on that one
Indeed!
@@anthonygerardotorresgonzal6269 the Reason for fate's sloppy story, is because the writers where trying to achieve too much with not enough time. Intelligents Systems had an idea for Fate to have three stories to appeal to everyone, but they realized that they didn't have enough writers. So they hired an outside writer, Shin Kibayashi was that writer. Nintendo wanted Shin to write the outline for each pathway, what happened instead is that Shin wrote 500 pages for each pathway. Nintendo knew this was too long so they cut the story into pieces without the writers permission and the fact the Nintendo demanded Fates come on the Fire Emblem Anniversary only made things worse. Which resulted in this hilariously mess of a story. The good news this that there is a manga based on Fates that is a little better. Its called Fire Emblem If: the Crown of Niberlung.
@@orangeslash1667 WOW, The more i know about FE Fates development, the more bad i feel about Corrin receving innecesary hate
@@anthonygerardotorresgonzal6269 Corrin in the Manga is so sweet, because she's not the main character. Sadly Corrin in the game is dumb.
@@orangeslash1667 Cool
The Smash 4/Smash Ballot era was such a fun time. The game may be obsolete now, but so many memories from that era, man.
Here, I'll do the cut characters right now:
Ice Climbers - AI partner mechanic wouldn't work on the 3DS
Ivysaur and Squirtle - The transformation mechanic was dropped, and including all 3 as separate fighters would've been over-saturating
Young Link - Same reason as Brawl, he was essentially replaced by Toon Link
Pichu - Same reason as Brawl, just an unpopular joke character
Wolf - A second semi-clone of Fox was never needed in the series in the first place
Snake - The only one I'm not sure about, but most likely there were some new licensing issues since Brawl.
Pretty good reasons why those characters were cut. I like would like to add for some of these characters.
Ice Climbers - Aside from the 3DS issues, I think 8 player smash on the Wii U was also an issue. Sakurai said 8 player smash on Ultimate was difficult for Ice Climbers to work, but succeeded. Now just imagine that for the Wii U version. So, people like to blame the 3DS for the Ice Climber's exclusion when in fact 8 player Smash in the Wii U version could also be blamed for.
Ivysaur & Squirtle - Agreed. Having these two separated don't have the same status like Charizard have.
Young Link - Agreed. Having three versions of Link who all played similar would have been redundant. Especially since Young Link wasn't that popular.
Pichu - Agreed. Nothing to say here.
Wolf - While two semi clones of Fox does seem redundant, at least Wolf is a lot more different than some people realize. Despite the differences however, he is not really not that unique. He just mainly uses claws instead of using a lot of kick moves. But still an interesting character none of the less. There are people still out there that are still shocked why Wolf wasn't included in Smash Wii U/3DS. But, now since we have sources it's not that hard to guess why. He was almost cut in Brawl and wasn't a high priority character. In the Wii U/3DS games, he probably was on the same boat except this time he got the boot and the SF series wasn't really that active. As for DLC, it could mean a couple reasons. But I think Sakurai wanted to focus on fresh content or content we haven't seen since 64 or Melee. Especially since Ultimate was on the table during the Summer of 2015. I can go on why Wolf was cut from Smash 4, but it will take much longer. So I apologize for the long post.
Snake - We will never know 100% sure why Snake was cut. But, we know that something didn't work out. We just don't know what the reasons are. In fact, Snake was probably the first one to go. In the music files, the MegaMan series replaced the metal gear series.
Overall nice short explanation on why those characters were cut. I just wanted to give my thoughts on it as well.
There's a pretty good chance they could've* gotten Snake if they wanted to.
But one big thing they wanted to push for Sm4sh's marketing was "The Big Four" those being Mario-Sonic-Pac-Man-MegaMan.
Each one of those characters were the rep of their respective company... So having Snake included as well would've been a bit awkward.
"Ah yes, here they are! The biggest icons of gaming... And Snake!"
YO good to see this series make a triumphant return! You have no idea how happy I am to see this finally pop up on my feed!
7:21 Conetta s Wicked!
Most of what I can remember during newcomer discussions and DLC discussions was that Issac's name blew up exponentially - The Golden Sun community made this really huge push for Issac to be a newcomer, to be DLC. Usually with the end goal being "If IsSaC gEtS iN sMaSh BrOs ThAt MeAnS wE'lL gEt A nEw GoLdEn SuN gAmE!!!" As if Issac being in Smash would have some "Fire Emblem effect" and people would go on and demand Nintendo to make and release new Golden Sun games...
Well that and the one guy asking constantly for Daisy - always preferably in her "Sports Outfit"
Welp... Golden Sun didn't get a playable character in Smash - partially due to no games since Dark Dawn. Camelot even pulling a Chibi-Robo and asking people to demand more Golden Sun.
Either the Golden Sun Community did demand, and they didn't get a game because of Dark Dawn's abyssmal sales even with fans of the series, or they didn't demand enough and that's what led the series to die like with the refusal to buy Zip Lash...
All I do know is at least the demand was enough to warrant the return of the Issac Assist Trophy and grant a Mii Fighter Costume in Ultimate, although that leads back into the question of how much the impact the Golden Sun community really had for Ultimate: Only enough for an assist trophy and a Mii costume but not enough for a fighter, or they didn't demand enough and felt like he was a shoo-in?
Either way, the lesson is learned. If Golden Sun fans want Issac or any GS character as a fighter in Smash, they're going to need to ask Camelot for more Golden Sun games and ask for them hard - instead of asking Sakurai for Issac in Smash to convince Camelot to make more Golden Sun games.
My take will always be that the ballot was mainly made for the next Smash game, which is Ultimate.
I mean, we got K.Rool, Ridley, Hero and Banjo very early in Ultimate
Also, people tend to forgot how Bayonetta was hyped about as much as Sora for an inclusion in the Sm4sh days lol
100%. It was all a very clever business strategy
Yeah people forget that a character was very requested after they become playable. Bowser Jr is a great example of this, during the Smash4 speculation days he was the most requested Mario character, even more than Waluigi, but after he was leaked nobody cared about him
@@mds_main with how much I’ve seen people wanting waluigi I’m kinda surprised B.jr was more requested than him, i think nobody cares about B.jr nowadays actually : /
@@wolfdragox5563 Bowser Jr has been in mainline mario games and is a villain. She him being more requested then a filler character from spinoff is not surprising. Waluigi is just a over hype character due to memes.
I mean, I always thought that Bayonetta was a decently requested character, but not like, massively popular or anything (similar to Joker)
According to Sakurai's book back in 2019 above Bayonetta old veterans like Snake were ranked very high on the Ballot along with
other characters that were already tried negotiating but got rejected.
I think for Snake the Konami storm was happening in 2015. Which may explain why Snake didn't get in as DLC.
@@Conductor1991 Sakurai wanted Bomber man to join smash, but when Sakurai came up with a moveset for him, Konami hated it!!!!!!!
@@orangeslash1667 Source?
I’m glad Lucas came back. I just hope he can continue appearing later down the line. Especially since Itoi has taken interest in the series again.
he’s taken WHAT in WHAT series AGAIN (please tell me where/when this was said)
Seconding, can I have the deets on this?
@@justlagan4200
Itoi has been producing a lot of merchandise for the series in recent times, including a Manga, shirts, hoodies, we’ve even seen prototypes of Ness, Paula, Jeff, and Poo plushies. His company ships to America as well. Though, I’d imagine most of the good stuff is gone at the moment.
He also said in an interview he’d like to see more RPGs, including Mother, on the switch.
@@cheep5645
Ah, he’s just been doing some merchandise creation, talked about the series a few times as well.
@@Moon-nk3co oh I hope that interest in see mother on the switch results in remakes of the trilogy, I’m sure fans would love that
I think a reason that there are more third party characters for DLC is simply because DLC makes more money for the parent company.
I think money is also why Square-Enix made a complete U-turn with their characters for Ultimate. Smash 4 was released during one of the worst periods Nintendo had ever seen, but with Ultimate they're practically printing their own money. I'm willing to bet that Hero made more money just from blind fighter's pass sales than Cloud made over the entire lifespan of Smash 4.
Hero is BIG deal in Japan.
Unpopular opinion:
I always thought that Corrin was very unique Even back in Sm4sh I liked Corrin and still do in Ultimate! His/Her game is also very unique too!
My Sister mains her as she likes her play style the most.
I am Fine with Him/Her Too
The character in terms of moveset was never the problem. It was more so that they came from a recent Fire Emblem game that wasn't doing well critically or financially
@@Naoplays1 Financially was fine...Fire Emblem Fans just didn't like them!
The funny thing is that this used to not be a unpopular opinion, a lot of people (including myself) loved Corrin's inclusion to the game because his movement is so fun. It was just Fire Emblem fans that decided that Fates was bad just because and wanted to cope that anger with smash now. It wasn't really a lost because it did well and iirc they outsold Awakening, but the hate train was too strong, personally I still like Fates and Corrin in Smash because I main him anyway
Glad to see the series still hanging on. I can't wait for the next video.
7:20 Conetta
Smash 4 wasn’t my entry to the series as I had played this series my whole life. But this game did get me into wanting to get better and be competitive. I actually wanted to learn the ins and outs. It isn’t the best smash game, but man if it isn’t my favorite! I also remember the time the fighter ballot came out. I spammed Cloud multiple times a day, daily. I didn’t think it would help but I was determined. Little did I know my dream character would soon join the battle. Another reason this game is my favorite in the series.
Oh man. I literally started rewatching the series last week. I didn't realize how much time had passed since the last episode and was wondering what had happened. Very happy to see it back again!!
Not to sound like a jerk, but wasn’t it obvious Bayonetta didn’t actually win the ballot? *Among realizable and negotiable characters* was the line looming in my head for literal years between the final Sm4sh direct, and Ultimate’s first teaser trailer. I had just assumed the real intention of the ballot was to gear up for Ultimate’s roster and have get an idea as to what was popular with the fans right around K Rool’s reveal which Sakurai eventually confirmed. Was it really a coincidence that of the 24 newcomers in ultimate, half of them were extremely popular within the speculation scene?
That's true of the newcomers in every new Smash game. The ballot was still used for Smash 4 DLC, just with natural limitations on what could be added. If the top worldwide pick had been someone like Goku rather than Sora, then of course he wasn't getting in the game. They just couldn't figure out how to use Sora at the time, either.
Not to mention that King K Rool got a Mii costume during Smash Wii U/3DS DLC. Oh, and Chrom too. Also, I think the ballot also saved some of the veterans from getting cut or again (ex. Snake). In fact, some of the old veterans like Snake were placed high on top of Bayonetta. Plus, in the E3 2018 direct, the reveal of Snake was because of popular demand.
Yeah, basically everyone noticed the realizable things and assumed there were some characters above her that didn’t work out. It’s hardly a new revelation.
Corrin seems more justified after knowing these facts
I did knew the promotion thing and the dragon being a core part of Fire Emblem yet to be represented thing, but I didn't know the extra time to develop a 7th fighter thing, that's nice
Plus she turned out to be my favorite Fire Emblem character in smash so that made me accept her inclusion like 3 weeks after she came out
You mean him/her because there's a Male Corrin
@@sunniestglobe5717 Eh maybe on the part where I mention the inclusion but as for use it's only Female Corrin
@@elkarlo1593 I'm pretty sure in the Corrin trailer it shows Male Corrin first then Female Corrin then back to Male Corrin since Male Corrin are for odd number skins and Female Corrin are for the even numbers skins
@@sunniestglobe5717 Dude, I said that I, Me specifically, not You or anyone else, uses female corrin but not male Corrin, not that male Corrin doesn't exist
@@elkarlo1593 Well I always use Male Corrin in Smash but I use Female Corrin in Smash because I use those skins on my Fire Emblem Awakening and Fates games
Finally, plus since doc came back in smash 4, I wasn’t surprised that Mewtwo and Roy would come back.
It's funny because they were all cut during the development of Brawl. Now they all came back because of their fans. Funny enough, there are more Melee newcomers in Smash 3DS/Wii U than in Brawl.
@@Conductor1991, oh that's true, minus Ice Climbers
@Dark Doctor I'm glad all three of them return. Especially when Dr. Mario was the only one officially revealed at that time and a lot of people were flipping out since he got in over the other popular veterans. Thankfully it didn't last long at all.
I forgot to mention that Sakurai did want Mewtwo in the base game. But said it was not possible.
@@Conductor1991, they really needed to know he was easy to make, I like Doc but I think he should’ve been announced after Mewtwo if they both appeared in the base game, it might have been a bit better, but hey in the end, we got both anyway, glad Roy also joined too
Wolf isn't necessarily a semi-clone and was more of a pseudo-clone like Lucas, but I could see wanting Mother to get more reps than another Star Fox rep, since the latter already got two
What's the difference between a semi-clone and a pseudo-clone? Aside from the ones that were so similar that they eventually became echo fighters (which is why we now use the term semi-clone instead of just clone), they both seem to fit in the same category as the others like the Links, Falco, Pichu, Roy, and Luigi pre-Brawl. By Brawl, Luigi had become different enough to be pretty much his own character, and the huge speed difference between Captain Falcon and Ganondorf always made them play much differently (plus Ganondorf actually uses his sword now), but those are the only ones I'd categorize differently from the echoes and semi-clones.
In any case, whatever you call them, Falco and Wolf are in the same boat, and Fox never really needed 2 of them based on him.
From Smash Wiki: A semi-clone has several unique attacks and animations of their own while retaining a significant amount from their parent. Falco in Brawl and Roy in Smash 4 are examples of semi-clones.
A pseudo-clone is, for the most part, their own unique character, but with enough moves or animations copied from their parent that it would be inaccurate to say they are not cloned to some degree. Wolf in Brawl and Luigi in Ultimate are examples of pseudo-clones.
I've been waiting for this!
Glad this series is back
7:22 Top-tier DLC Conetta.
2nd best day of my life was watching that Mega Man trailer for the first time. I actually teared up a bit.
I was also really stoked to see Ryu as dlc.
YESS TIME TO BINGE THE SERIES AGAIN
For Wolf, there have been some hints that he may have been worked on the base game. But was scrapped due to time constraints and Sakurai did not want to sell unfinished content as DLC. Again, this is entirely speculation.
Kinda silly to assume Wolf was cut due to a Fox semi clone already existing with Falco, when Roy was added despite a full clone of Marth already existing. like I get it's speculation but it kinda makes no sense
I'm glad to see this series return.
Oh this seems like a really interesting video!
To be honest, I feel that Kamek could've worked as promotional DLC for Yoshi's Woolly World. I think he's important enough to warrant a slot in Smash, as he's the main antagonist of the Yoshi series, Bowser's right-hand man in the Mario series, and has made many appearances across both series, even more than Rosalina has. Only problem is that if he were to get into Smash 4, there would be a confliction with his appearance as a stage hazard; maybe he could be replaced by someone else?
when kamek joins the fight, Alphonso handles the stage switching in Mushroom Kingdom U
Been waiting
7:22
Conetta
sWicked!
HOLY SHIT! I SUMMONED THE SMASH FACTS SERIES BACK
Imagine if Sora had been the last DLC newcomer in Smash 4 though
People would be crying that Kingdom Hearts 3 wouldn't have been announced on the Switch during the game's launch window...
Much like how they're crying that it's a Cloud Version now...
Ultimate would've had an underwhelming finish probably
@@KahunaLagoona crying for valid reasons tho
@@pinkflare13 I don’t think so, Sora was the most wanted character but he wasn’t the only hype pick, Steve maybe wasn’t the most wanted character but his inclusion broke Twitter, which not even Sora could do
@@wolfdragox5563 I don't think they would've been able to bring the series to the Switch in any capacity but a Cloud version.
I'm personally glad I'm finally getting The Ezio Trilogy on Switch, after asking for it to Ubisoft directly years ago.
Is there a playlist of these videos?
It's been a while!
Hope next time you debunk some assumptions about the cut Rhythm Heaven character, like "rhythm timed moves wouldn't work" when Incineroar and Wii Fit Trainer have moves like that already!
For bayonetta "winning” the ballot (as a realizable fighter) they might simply had took the early votes in account (it’s obvious that in even just a week they would get a sizeable amount of votes)
There was an official statement from Sakurai saying he chose the vets because they were the most requested cut characters. Hard to find things though from specific interviews done years ago
Here's the source: Nintendo Dream Interview with Sakurai Part 2 on source gaming.
Ye
I have no way to prove this but i think roy was given chrom’s scrapped Smash 4 moveset. Since he later became an echo of roy in ultimate.
The speculation on what the actual results were for the Fighters Ballot is very interesting to me. If Bayonetta was indeed planned to be added as DLC regardless of ballot results, but then ended up getting a sizable amount of votes to where Nintendo felt comfortable to promote her as the "ballot winner", while the last slot was then chosen to be Corrin, then I wonder. What if Bayonetta had performed much worse on the fighters ballot? Would that mean that we could've have had a different character over Corrin, and who could that have been?
I remember Sega wanted to have Bayonetta in Sonic & All Star Racing Trasnformed, but they scrapped because they feared her inclusion will affect the game's age rating.
Seening how Bayonetta is in Smash 4 and Ultimate, both rated E10+, it's super funny.
Yeah I’m definitely surprised that Sora From Disney’s Kingdom Hearts was the Final DLC Fighter because of the Smash 4 Final Ballot Results thanks to Bayonetta was the Final DLC Character In SSB4 (She was 1st Worldwide Fighter Announcement to be revealed In Gaming 🎮 Industry) this was from 8 years ago but I really love that Detail that I can remember from Super Smash Bros.™️ For Nintendo 3DS/ Nintendo Wii U.
I honestly thought Heihachi was cut from the game because he already appeared in PlayStation All-Stars.
How about the cut characters (Other than Ice Climbers)?
THE WAIT! IT IS OVER!
Having to pay for characters you could play on past games is insane to me
At first I wasnt into Corrin, but then i actually learned that He’s another Fire Emblem Rep
I forgot Majora's Mask 3D came out in 2015, it's a shame as Skull Kid or Masks Link would have made such unique characters and promoted the heck out of the game. I guess Mask Link wouldn't have worked on the 3DS ala Ice Climbers and PKMN trainer though...
I'm still very happy that Bayonetta is in Smash. People hate her inclusion, but I voted every day for her in that ballot (I did vote for Professor Layton as well, but mostly Bayo). Nintendo saved that franchise and Platinum deserves the recognition for creating such an original character and amazing games.
7:22 Conetta sWicked
This video is really taking me to my old times where before DLC was announced, I wanted the Almighty Mewtwo in Smash 4, I never gave up in my dream and mission to bring the Almighty Mewtwo back into Smash where it belongs since it's absence in Brawl, many people were so negative to me, saying that the Almighty Mewtwo can't return because it got cut last game but boy, they were wrong after the Almighty Mewtwo got announced as DLC in Smash for Wii U 50 fact extravaganza, these haters did a fan made rule against me that absolutely backfired them. After the Almighty Mewtwo and Lucas got announced in April 2015, the Legendary Satoru Iwata announced that Smash 4 will have a ballot for us to vote which video game characters you want to see in Smash. I voted for King K. Rool and Banjo-Kazooie for Smash but despite not appearing in Smash 4, my two most wanted characters from the ballot did it in Ultimate. I'm so happy that the Almighty Mewtwo, King K. Rool and Banjo-Kazooie are together in Ultimate thanks to the ballot since Smash 4.
It was great seeing Mewtwo confirmed during that direct. I was screaming yes a couple times and clapped. Then when it said spring 2015 I went "aww". Overall I was pretty happy to see him come back cuz I want him to return better than ever.
"Almighty Mewtwo" like you're some Hisuian leader or something
7:21 Conetta is my favourite character
9:11-9:16 So you are basically telling me Cloud is a semi clone of Ike and Bayo is a semi clone of Zero suit Samus
I don't know about other people, but I did vote for Bayonetta in the ballot.
I seen a lot of TH-camrs admit to voting Bayo, yet salty people act like nobody did simply because they tend to stay within certain communities that vote for similar characters.
@@scarffoxandfriends9401 Confirmation bias I guess.
@@scarffoxandfriends9401 I don’t think that “nobody” voted for her. Just not enough to legitimately “win” the way she did. We have proof that she was already being worked on merely 2 weeks after the ballot was even announced, despite it lasting for 6 months. Regardless of how many votes she got, adding her was nothing more than a business move seeing as she’s basically a Nintendo exclusive franchise now
A lot of peoples said that Elma from Xenoblade chronicles x would’ve been a better choice than corrin.
(Myself, I’m not sure if it was an option or not for sakurai to include her over corrin. We don’t know really what went down behind the scenes to choose corrin specifically, also copyright could be an issue for XCX songs)
Personally, I’m split, XCX is my favourite game of all time and Elma was my second most wanted after Pyra&mythra. But, if it wasn’t for corrin addition in smash, I would’ve never gotten into the fire emblem franchise and corrin was my main until byleth and Pyra&mythra were released in ultimate.
I think the reason Elma wasn’t picked could be that she was too similar to Bayonetta in terms of play style. Duel wielders that are fast. And they likely didn’t want to have two characters of a similar play style released back to back as DLC. It’d be like if Kazuya was released right after Terry. Fans wouldn’t like getting a character of a similar archetype again after they just got it with the last character.
Now I feel Elma should have been included as a base roster character in Ultimate. But considering that the majority of Ultimate’s base roster picks were from the ballot, except Incineroar she likely never had a chance. Especially since XCX only came out in the west after the ballot was finished. So she already didn’t get a lot of recognition. Doesn’t help that XCX is the most overshadowed Xenoblade game right now.
@@FireFury190 nah I doubt "being similar to bayonetta" was a problem
1.they’re really far from similar in most way
2.corrin was most likely chosen before they chose bayonetta
hoping to see Ultimate soon
FINALLY
...So...we EVER getting the continuation of this series? The ones that didn't get chosen, and then Ultimate? Is there a reason this isn't happening?
On twitter, they announced the next part is coming soon.
My theory is that Lucas was DLC because they cut him from the base game. And came back for DLC.
Honestly, Inkling should have been the newest rep added instead of Corrin. Splatoon was a brand new IP for Nintendo and was a massive hit. Plus, it would add a character from the Wii U rather than only having Alph as a alt for Olimar.
Something that I think that is worth considering is that Corrin didn’t come with a new stage like Ryu, Cloud and Bayonetta all did. If Inkling was a newcomer instead of Corrin, then they too also wouldn’t have come with a new stage which would be very confusing for those unaware of how game development works and arguments would be made that they are not represented well considering how stages themselves are essential to the identity of Splatoon. Speaking of said gimmick, it most likely took a while to both develop and balance for Ultimate and we don’t know if the 3DS would be able to handle 4 Inklings at once. It’s likely that the 3DS would have been able to handle it, as it isn’t a case like with Ice Climbers.
…I mean, I could go on and talk about how the lack of a new stage and music beyond “Lost in Thoughts All Alone” made Corrin’s inclusion more negative to others than it could have been had those things were included along with making Corrin and Fire Emblem Fates itself less unique despite it having some of the most unique locations and music in the Fire Emblem series too, but oh well.
@@anankos795 I think Inkling would have come with a new stage. Corrin probably didn't since there were already Fire Emblem stages in the game and is was probably too early in Fates' development to make a stage for.
Coneta!
I liked Corrin at the time of the announcement and when they were released. But man, the more time passes, the more I think they should have picked a character from Xenoblade Chronicles X instead. That game sorely needed - and needs - the attention.
Kirby is my favorite Super Smash Brothers character!
Conetta
If yoyr theory is that people didn't vote for cloud because they thought he wouldn't have had a chance of making in the game, then why did Sora win the ballot?
Considering Corrin’s reception among both the Fire Emblem and Smash fanbase. I think that Sakurai should have taken the opportunity to check out what went on with Kirby ever since he left HAL and have added Bandana Dee or even Susie to promote Planet Robobot instead of promoting Fire Emblem. God knows how modern Kirby is done dirty in Smash.
To be fair, Nintendo probably forced him to put Corrin in
Nah I stick by Elma from Xenoblade X being a better choice. I do think Corrin was a bad decision especially after the games reception from both the FE and Smash fanbases like you said
@@MoebiusX9 I would have loved Elma. But thinking it over, I think she might have been a bit too similar to Bayonetta in terms of playstyle. So that could be a reason why she wasn't picked. As they wanted every DLC character to feel unique from each other. So it likely wouldn't have been a good idea, especially if she were to come right before Bayonetta. It'd be like releasing Kazuya right after Terry. Plus Xenoblade was still relatively new at the time so I don't know how fans would have reacted to a character from an even smaller franchise getting in and thinking it was for promotional reasons.
The reason why they feel like adding new characters for FE is simply because FE replaces it's whole cast between games. They didn't need to add a new Kirby character to promote the new Kirby game because Kirby already fills that role. Anyone who play any Kirby game will relate to him. Meanwhile if you played any FE game, this logic doesn't carry over. People who played Ike's game as their first FE aren't going to have an attachment to Marth just because they both share the same franchise.
@@IcyDiamond According to statements for FE's 25th Anniversary, Intelligent Systems came up to Sakurai and presented the idea of Corrin, and while Sakurai initially refused, he was presented with the whole dragon shifting thing and that's where Corrin found their niche.
You do know Smash 4 is Smash 3DS and Smash 5 is Smash Wii U because Sakurai considers Smash 3DS and Wii U be different Smash games since they are on different consoles while Smash 4 is on the 3DS and Smash 5 is on Wii U
Pretty sure they know. They're the ones I keep linking to when I talk about this fact.
@@KahunaLagoona And in fact they still keep calling Smash Wii U Smash 4 when it's actually Smash 5
@@sunniestglobe5717 They call them both the collective term because that's just how the community sees it: They see both games as Smash 4, and they Smash Wii U as the superior game and so they also refer to that game specifically as Smash 4 while ignoring the 3DS game entirely.
@@KahunaLagoona Well the 3ds version came out before the Wii U version did
@@sunniestglobe5717 Yes. But that's also not really going to change the community's thoughts on things. So if they ask, send them a link to Source Gaming's article about "Smash Switch is Smash 6"
The ballot was rigged?!
Personally I can't stand Corrin as a character. Their voices are annoying and the way they battle on bare feet is stupid. Meaning that in the sense of the game they originate from, not Smash Bros, as Wii Fit Trainer and Ryu also do that. Corrin literally goes into war on bare feet in Fire Emblem and it's dumb. Probably about as dumb as my complaining about it but hey.
Roy as a DLC fighter was also strange but the argument about bringing back a Melee and a Brawl veteran makes kind of sense? Until you consider Mewtwo already filled the Melee role and they could have had Wolf and Lucas instead on that notion. I don't mind Roy that much though, he's cool, even though I would have preferred Wolf. Glad Ultimate brought Wolf back though.
I was more happy with cloud getting added in smash bros than having both bayonetta and corrin getting it because I was more excited for cloud getting in smash because he was my most wanted character.
With Ultimate finished, can we please settle down that, for a franchise to be Represented, it must have at least one game on Nintendo?
Corrin was the best promotion option? Hard fact no. How many times did Fire Emblem need to get promotion? How about saving a series that is now dead and had a release at the time? Chibi Robo was the best option. Fire Emblem could have stepped aside. 'PROMOTIONAL PICK' is now synonymous with 'Fire Emblem Shill,' as no other series even gets a promotional character.
RPG games are more popular in Japan then a one and done franchise most move on from years ago. Chibi robo would have been a dumb idea to be DLC.
No one voted fir Corrin and Bayonetta.. Banjo and Sora was confirmed to be 1 and 2 in the smash ballot.. Nintendo just couldn’t secure the rites for them during smash 4..
There are literally tons of youtubers and people in this very comment section who admitted to voting for Bayonetta. Stop being salty.
@@FurryBayo Bayonetta was #1 in “realizable characters “ go back an rewatch the announcement. Banjo Sora and Probably Master Cheif/Crash Bayonetta is cool and all but she was #1 IN REALIZABLE CHARACTERS.
@@chrisbeach423 lmao I never said she won the ballot, you said no one voted for her or corrin and I merely corrected your statement. Lol people like you are just sad.
Get a haircut dude
Putting Corrin in just lead to more problems than not including them and only having 6 DLC fighters.
That's terrible logic. Having an extra non-clone character is obviously always better than not having him/her/it at all, no matter how relatively unpopular the choice may be.
@@Compucles Corrin started the whole "too many Fire Emblem characters" thing. It just caused more damage than it not being in the game at all.
@@SonicTheCutehog No, it didn't. It's only a minor issue that doesn't hurt the brand at all. If you don't like a character, you don't have to play as him/her/it, and you certainly don't have to buy the DLC ones. Meanwhile, there are also many Fire Emblem fans including myself who really like having both Corrin and Byleth in the games and would be very upset if they were removed with no replacements for such a stupid reason.
Besides, if Fire Emblem characters were to be removed from the next game, they'd start with Roy, Chrom, and Lucina rather than the ones that actually play rather differently.
@@Compucles You know how the Smash Community is
@@SonicTheCutehog Nintendo is a Japanese company and RPG's like Fire Emblem are a big deal in Japan.
And no, Bayonetta DID NOT win the Smash Ballot. Also, Smash Wii U is Smash 4 and Smash 3DS is Smash 5.
Other way around, 3DS released first so that's 4, Wii U is 5.
@@ArceusDX Yep. My bad
She won out of realizable characters, as has always been stated. That's still a win.
7:21 Conetta s Wicked!
7:21 Conetta