Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Missing Stages
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 พ.ค. 2024
- 96 Returning Stages in Smash Bros Ultimate means that 15 Stages (including Rainbow Road and Pac Maze) are still missing in Nintendo Switch's biggest game this year.
In this video we look closer if any of them have a chance to make it into the Launch stage selection Inside Super Smash Bros Ultimate.
Big Thanks to UltimatePisman for Allowing us to use his Smash 3DS Rainbow Road footage:
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How exactly is rainbow road a spoiler, there's literally one in every single Mario kart.. that's literally the stupidest assumption I've heard yet
Paper Mario should be removed too because it spoils Bowser's Castle.
Dracula's Castle should be removed because it spoils the ending of Castlevania
Streetpass Quest shouldn't be here because it'll spoil the Dark Emperor from Streetpass Quest II.
@Warframe Enthusiast 1. I never said hed include them.
2. He never actually said that.
+Warframe Enthusiast there isn't any vertical scrolling in rainbow road, anyway...
literally.
I like vertical scrollers
“We have 103 stages!”
“But you left a few out”
“ARE YOU NEVER SATISFIED”
the game can't be ultimate if a few are left out
It can indeed be ultimate with a few left out. The characters are the most important inclusion, and they're probably going to reveal new stages soon, or have new stages hidden in the game until you actually play and see it in the list.
John Last
Remember that SSBU has 47 more stages than SSB4WiiU.
@@johnlast6012 yes it can. Stfu
No
The Smash Bros developers clearly do not care about spoilers. You know how Zelda turns into Sheik?
That was in Brawl not in Melee, 3DS, Wii U or Ultimate
Zelda could turn into Sheik in both Melee and Brawl. Also, 3DS and Wii U had that Mecha Fiora trophy.
New Pork City
Palutena's Trailer
A lot of trophies
Certain Final Smashes
Lucina's guidance
Dark Pit's Guidance
Lucas's Codec/Guidance
Commonwealth Realm Zelda can transform into sheik in melee you fucking idiots
This channel is retarded
Your general analysis weighed too heavily on the stage morph as a reason for stages not returning. While that's probably true for Jungle Hijinxs and possibly the two vertical scrolling stages, that shouldn't be a barrier to entry for other scrolling stages like Poké Floats or Orbital Gate Assault given that Rainbow Cruise, Big Blue, Pac-Land, and more scrolling stages already made the cut. Wooly World meanwhile is similar conceptually to Paper Mario - another stage already in the game - so stage morph is unlikely to be the reason for its absence either. Pac-Maze's absence surely has nothing to with the stage morph, but more likely the pellet/ghost mechanic that made use of the multiple screens in 3DS's multiplayer. And of course the missing tour stages (Mute City and Rainbow Road) wouldn't have been cut because of the stage morph given how many other tour stages there already are in the game.
On what basis is it probably true? these guys aren't programmers this is just baseless speculation
@@wiiztec Listen, dude. Icicle Mountain and Rumble Falls were fast and would be hard to transition into. Jungle Hijinks had two physical platform planes so you can't transition out of the far back plane. Those could actually be true.
All of those problems can be worked around pretty easily
It doesn't make sense how Wooly World is removed because of Paper Mario, yet Town & City and Smashville are almost the exact same stage but still got in.
Stop theorizing that every stage's exclusion is due to Stage Morph, it's ridiculous. I see zero reason how Stage Morph affected Rainbow Road and especially Pac-Maze inclusion when we have stages similar like Mario Bros and the Mario Kart 8 stage. Must of been other factors that made them unable to include them or they're saving a batch of past stages for DLC.
Yeah, the only one that makes sense is Jungle Japes which wouldn’t work with stage morph due to its layers
JBL Jason
You mean Jungle Hijinx right?
And the reset bomb forest stage.
They gave you 103 stages and every character in every previous game ever and several new ones lol honestly you have no idea what goes into game production. DLC when done right can breathe new life into a game and increase its longevity to prevent needing to buy an entire more expensive sequel. I just don't understand how people can complain about things like this and Waluigi and Ashley (two characters that dont even have fleshed out character traits to build an entire moveset and taunts on anyways) when Sakurai gave so much already and put so much effort to the point of being in bad health at one point.
Lol wtf happened to wario ware inc
Damn, Rainbow Road and Pac-Maze were the ones I were looking forward to return for Ultimate
Same. I really enjoyed them in the 3DS Smash Bros. game.
They were the only stages I played
Rainbow Road is a spoiler? Lol, that game came out in 2011. And Nintendo doesn’t seem to care about Pokémon Black and White spoilers despite that game coming out just a year before and actually being story focused. I love the Smash Bros Stage lineup, but there’s no good excuse for Rainbow Road being absent. A race track in a 7 year old game is not a spoiler.
Sakurai doesn't care for spoilers
**Looks over at Shulk's final smash**
plbster Lol, yeah. They obviously don’t care, especially after that.
I've heard that the Rainbow Road uses MK7 assets, so it'd be need to be entirely remade. Not sure if it's true, though.
Not to mention, how do you spoil a fucking racing game in the first place?
Plus, we've got stuff like Magicant and Spear Pillar
Rainbow Road's exclusion is unforgivable. Easily the best stage in Smash 3DS.
I'd like to point out that just because the stage moves does NOT mean it's automatically excluded. Rainbow Ride, Mushroomy Kingdom and 3D Land are in Ultimate and are stages that constantly move without stopping. And yet, they're in Ultimate, have Battlefield and Omega forms and work with Stage Morph. Yeah, Poke Floats (which was a quick addition using Pokemon Stadium assets), Icicle Mountain and Rumble Falls are gone for good reason. But who's to say that Orbital Gate Assault and Wooly World (which only moves/changes periodically like most roaming stages do as was shown with Skyloft in the Direct) won't return just because they "don't work" with Ultimate's features when similar stages do?
Isn't it 3D land not 3D World.
Not to mention pacland, that scrolling stage..
Sebas H yeah, it should be. It's for people like me that Mario Kart 7 and 8 were numbered. -_-
(Nintendo did say 7 was called such as Mario Kart DS was a thing and would probably cause confusion if it was called Mario Kart 3DS.)
cryptkeeper08 Pac-what? I know no stage by that name. Or are you referring to Smash Wii U's glitch of a stage? :P
I also thought it was weird they said that those stages were not compatible with the stage morph feature. Although, I would absolutely love poke floats to come back because it's fun, goofy, random, and cute.
How many stages have been revealed so far in smash ultimate?
And the spoilers argument for the rainbow road stage is kinda dumb too since like everyone knows what it looks like now. Then there's lots of stages that could be spoilers for their games too like uh castlevania with all the bosses appearing lol
I call BS at the stage morph excuse. They could just start the next stage at the first section.
Icicle Mountain and Rumble Falls are gone because people generally didn't like the verticle maps.
Jungle Hijinx is literally the only thing that Stage Morph could excuse, due to the seperate plains. Even then, there are likely workarounds.
Yup, these guys just claim that the reason for cutting these stages is stage morph with absolutely no evidence.
Jungle Hijinx could get a special Stage Morph compatible version that removes the back layer as an easy workaround.
I wish we had at least one vertical stage. I loved them personally
@@Solibrae That or have the players in the background teleported back to the foreground during said transition.
That would be even better, if possible.
How are spoilers for a stage an argument? Have you seen Shulk’s final smash? Heck even trophies in the past installments show spoilers for games. Besides, at this age in time we already know that every Mario Kart game has a new Rainbow Road so your argument is debunked.
I’m glad most of the old stages are returning, but besides the vertical side-scrollers, there really isn’t any reason why other missing stages shouldn’t return. Heck, I take that back, vertical side-scrollers can also come back if horizontal side-scrollers are still a thing. There is literally no reason for their exclusion other than time management in development. One thing that we have learned from Sakurai is that he does whatever he wants and nothing is impossible at this point. We just have to wait and see.
Argument against a stage returning because spoiler, Unova Pokemon League. Shall I say more?
How is shulks final smash a spoiler? Simply showing a character is not a spoiler. It's not like shulk screams the plot point at the very top of his lungs, imo.
So this comment is going to be spoilers for Xenoblade:
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Fiora being all mechanical is pretty spoilery. If you played the game then you'd see her not all mechanical, then see her 'death', then think "Wait she never became mechanical. So she isn't dead. Now I have the expectation of her returning to my party later." Thus her death loses a ton of impact.
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Spoilers ended.
MrServantRider Literally what I mean. I haven’t played the first Xenoblade game yet, but I intend to. However, because of this sole reason I now know what to expect later in the game. In my case, while I get this has a bigger impact if it’s not known beforehand, I still look forward to the game to see why and how it happens. However, I can see how for other people it can ruin their experience quite a bit.
That said, Sakurai puts lots of spoilers in Smash for every series and franchise, mostly to reference key elements or characters that are very important to them. So the reason of not putting something in Smash because it’s a spoiler is stupid. If that’s the case, then why bother make the game at all since many references contains spoilers for games?
@@MrServantRider to be fair, I don't think the final smash shows that
The original sector z seems much bigger, it would make for a good 8 player stage
what is the song at 3:12 ?
@@Bon_Moment_Gratuit mute city also why ask him that
Yes!!! I miss that stage tho as well
The "Planet Zebes is too similar to Brinstar" argument doesn't hold at all, seeing as we have Dream Land 64 and Green Greens, Smashville and Town & City, and do I even need to mention the Pokemon Stadiums?
Toa Matoro Not to mention the multiple different versions of Yoshi’s Island with the N64 version (a.k.a. Super Happy Tree) and the version from Brawl
dream land 64 and green greens are quite different, smashville and town and city are very similar on purpose, the pokemon stadiums transform completely differently, planet zebes externally looks different, but considering that it shares its gimmick with two other stages, i don't see that one coming
Dream land doesnt have those blocks on it and green greens does, clearly they r different and they have different platforms. Pokemon stadiums have different layout, but those u said... Literally the same but with dif bg
Brinstar feels the same as Planet Zebes except better in every way. That's not really true of the other pairs you mentioned.
Dream Land 64 is competitively better than Green Greens but sacrifices interesting design. Pokemon Stadium 1 is preferred over 2 mainly out of nostalgia, similar to PokeFloats' cult following. Smashville and Town & City are almost interchangeably equal, to the point where many people thought Town and City was simply Smashville when it was first revealed.
Brinstar is more loved by fans than Planet Zebes but not inherently better or worse in terms of stage design.
Morphing stages is an aditional mode, they wound't cut stages because of it, it's like cutting stages from the WiiU because it didn't fit 8 players. And Mushrommy Kingdom and pac-land are scrolling stages and both on the base roster
Eu Exactly! Making PAC-LAND work was as simple as having the stage morph into that area where the scrolling starts and is completely flat. Poke floats could be done if the stage morphs every one to the top of the screen, giving the players time to find a Pokémon to land on. Sakurai doesn’t have to make every feature in the game baby proof. Jungle Hijinks could be done by morphing everyone into the foreground during the transition (or a special feature where a barrel appears and launches you to the foreground during the transformation). Or they could just turn off certain stages for stage morph like they did with 8-player smash.
Except jungle hyjinx
Ihsaan Shaikh Yeah, but I mean, they weren't cut because of this mode, and if they wanted they could port every stage back, even Jungle Hyjinx, before the morphing the background stage could desapear or the barrels could spawn of the players to put them back on the stage. I don't think they are comming back im just saying that the stage morph ins't no reason to cut a stage (and of course not spoilers, like, "there's a rainbow road on mario kart 7", of course there is
@Ihsaan Shaikh jungle hijinx can work with stage morph though. It could just launch you back to the foreground as it morphs. It's an easy solution.
I hate that people compare sector Z to corneria. Visually they look like the same stage yes. But sector Z’s overall scale was much larger, and I think that made the stage way more fun than corneria
Exactly and that’s why sector z should come back, there is two pokemon stadiums in the game sector z isn’t allowed to come back because it is too similar to another stage?
it'd be better if it was an L-Load stage (like Boxing ring that changes the ring's symbol) where you can switch between Sector Z and Corneria.
@@TheNadroj10 the Pokémon stadiums have different transformations
@@yoshiwoollyworld Still, sector z is massive compared to corneria. There is a small battlefield and a big battlefield now. Nintendo has no excuses
@@TheNadroj10 small battlefield and big battlefield have different platform layouts and are suitable for different situations which is why they’re both in
I agree that sector Z should return instead of Cornelia though
“StAgE MoRpHiNg iS a PrObLeM” No its not.
Looks like we forgot Super Smash Bros For Wii U’s Pyrosphere from Other M (not coming back because of Ridley) With that said, Will we see any more stages than the revealed 103?
If Nintendo put Sora in Smashi will be Happy!
@@ArkhamKratos Sakurai can make it happen
It’s actually the Ridley clone on that stage..
Commonwealth Realm You forgot Pitochat 1 from Brawl (sort of).
I'm going to say yes because even if the 103 is the final base game list, there's always the possibility of DLC.
20 year anniversary DLC would be brilliant. "Every stage is here!"
from what we saw from sakurai, stage morphing just puts you in the first part of a stage, brinstar has destroyable parts and acid, so something like pac maze's pellets souldn't be an issue, jungle hijinx and pokefloats would be a bit harder, but it could be feasable
"Stage morph"
"Stage morph"
"StAge morPh"
"MORPH STAGE"
The only plausible excuses for stages being cut
Planet Zebes, Sector Z, Rainbow Road, Jungle Hijinxs. Everything else I can do without.
I need sector z to come back, it’s superior to corneria in every way
Big Blue is hardly a replacement for Mute City. Nevermind the fact that they're both from Melee, Big Blue's concept as a sidescroller is very different from Mute City's concept as a tour. Port Town Aero Dive is much closer conceptually to Mute City as another tour stage with cars as potential hazards, but the setting and platforms that you get to fight on are different enough to warrant Mute City's return.
Mute City should be seen as being in the same situation as Rainbow Road - another tour stage around a racetrack that was 'replaced' in the next game (MK8's Mario Circuit). Just because you personally favor Rainbow Road doesn't mean it should be considered any more likely to get in while Mute City gets the cold shoulder.
I think some of the work for Mute City (Melee) has already been done. They could reuse the assets from Big Blue where those vehicles could be put into the stage. Just make them prone to taking damage like the original and a blown up animation if destroyed.
I see Mute City the way I see the 64 maps that were cut; they were replaced by newer maps that are functionally the same map like you said. Rainbow Road, on the other hand, plays different to the MK8 Mario Circuit because there are different obstacles and the platform stops are different layouts among the two maps.
Granted, I never played Smash 4 and have only seen gameplay of it, but I think it looked different than Mario Circuit. I would like to see Rainbow Road return even if it was future DLC tbh
I'm sick of hearing people parrot the "vertical scrolling stages interfere with the stage morph!" line. There's no proof of this whatsoever, but it keeps getting repeated as gospel. We have stages with vertical scrolling in Ultimate such as Rainbow Cruise which has vertically scrolling sections. We also have stages that do much weirder shit than scroll vertically, like Brinstar Depth's rotating, oddly shaped platform. Clearly those work with stage morph, so there is no reason to think that Rumble Falls/Icicle Mountain couldn't work too other than that some guy on a message board said it once and now it's become a fact in everyone's mind for some reason.
L N You're right. The stages could just stop scrolling right as stage morph occurs.
I would like to note that the stage morphs in by bringing the entire collision for the next stage up from the bottom blast zone to the correct position. In a stage with infinite vertical height and platforms literally above the blast zone, that could cause issues. All the other weird stages have a defined top and can also just morph into non-vertical sections to avoid any issues. Oh, and also having the entirety of an infinite stage come down from the top of the screen to crush players on its way out would not be fun.
Alex Stewart than just don't make every stage compatible with the stage morph just like 8 players
Thing is, that's not even a true statement anymore. We already know that Smash Ultimate will let you have 8 fighters on EVERY stage.
@@alexstewart9592 Right, but were talking about restrictions in general, not restrictions on 8-player Smash specifically
Me: So why can’t they put it in?
Video: *B L A M E I T O N S T A G E M O R P H*
The stage morph reason for stage absence isn’t really good. Great Cave Offensive is in Ultimate, and how would that work with something like fountain of dreams? I think Sakurai would find a way around it, maybe even not letting certain stages be playable with stage morph.
09:22 I don't see Mario Kart Wii's Rainbow Road anywhere.
Also, how is Rainbow Road a Spoiler?
You misspelled Mario Kart Double Dash.
EVERY RAINBOW ROAD IS HERE
That's because they were talking about Mario Kart 7's Rainbow Road
And I agree I didn't really think Rainbow Road was a spoiler. At this point they all might as well be.
It's spelled Super Mario Kart.
Sorry it’s spelled mkds rainbow road
dont you just hate when they spoil a game from 2011
it really do be like that sometimes
Are you guys forgetting that Rainbow Cruise is in? Big Blue? Several traveling and morphing stages? I'm confused as to why you think stage morph would disqualify anything. Scrolling stages are trash and should not be included, but I doubt stage morph has any bearing.
"Scrolling stages are trash"? Excuse me?
So... Hanenbow is in.
*AND NOT POKE FLOATS?*
And not Jungle Hijinks?
And not Rumble Falls?
@@captainmega6310 no hanenbow is better
@@gengavari9460 fuck Hanenbow. #RumbleFalls
wtf, rumblefalls is the worst stage in brawl (except hanenbow)
I think the main issues are overlap (Zebes, Sector Z), removed features (Miiverse, Ridley stage) complexity (Wii U Starfox stage, Rainbow Road) and series overrepresentation (Pokemon, Starfox). However, I think it just has to do with prioritization, I 100% believe that Sakurai and crew will be watching for what stages we're lamenting the exclusion of and are probably currently hard at work chipping away at a few of these either for base inclusion or DLC.
But there's only 3 Starfox stages in Utimate. I wouldn't say it's overrepresented.
6/10 IGN "Too many stages"
You missed the IGN OrAs reference should’ve said 7.8/10 instead of 6 because of your Too many stages being like Too much water lol
@@muii6319 oh well that's what i meant
@@Stratilex lol OrAs was sick they’re my fav Pokémon games
CR: “Let us allow Sakurai to finish his Ultimate masterpiece in peace”
Also CR: “F*cking bring back Pac-Maze Sakurai or else I’ll haunt your soul for not redeeming Pac-Man!”
Can't wait to know from Sakurai what was that blurry menu option, give it to me daddy Sakurai
We still miss a proper single player portion. So fingers crossed!
Probley the same thing
It’s a shortcut to Poke Floats
DLC for the missing stages would be nice, same with the other versions BF & FD
actually, Mute City may well be returning. Some stages have been renamed due to sharing the same name....and the 3DS stage was renamed as Mute City SNES. I don't see any reason for this unless the F-Zero X version from Melee was also returning. As for Rainbow Road...yeah, that NEEDS to come back.
And the only stage worse than Pac-Land is Rumble Falls....so ffs, give us Pac-Maze, Sakurai! Even if it means sacrificing it's gimmick, the stage itself is still infinitely better than the garbage that is Pac-Land
I'm pretty certain that 103 is the final number of stages in base game. He wouldn't have given us a number like that if there were more. Also, what reason does he have to hide returning stages at this point?
I don't think it's a case of hiding them, I think it's that they're still being worked on & aren't ready to be shown. Plus, it's the wording of it that has fans wondering if 103 is the actual final total. As I piint out in my original comment, the Mute City stage from 3DS has been renamed as Mute City SNES, which doesn't seem like something Sakurai would just randomly do and sort of hints that the F-Zero X based Mute City from Melee is at least likely ( even if it's post launch in the event that 103 IS the final base number ). Then there's the remaining unannounced fighters...if rumors & hints pan out, there's no way we get the likes of Banjo & Kazooie, Shantae, Rayman or even new Nintendo IP reps like Isaac and Karate Joe without stages representing their respective franchises. We still have a few more months to find out, so I'll avoid any absolutes when it comes to the numbers until the game is in my hands.
But.... theNew Donk City stage is also major spoilers
I shouldn't have laughed so hard
Right thats true..
You forgot pyrosphere
I doubt they aren’t including MK7 Rainbow Road because of spoilers. I mean for crying out loud, look at shulk’s final smash
Spoilers? Isn’t the game already out?????
Zak Oleary I mean Xenoblade is 7 years old so I mean if you don’t know the plot twists by now uh, F
The idea of "Mario Kart spoilers" gives me a headache. Dumb.
Mute City from the 3DS version of Super Smash Bros. was renamed to Mute City SNES in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate... Hmm...
Maybe some of these will be DLC
If so really good DLC
No, don’t ask for dlc. This is the ultimate game and why would you need more stages anyway?
SpadeZap yes DLC! It's the only way to get Xenoblade Chorincles 2 recognition in the game. I mean, the roster was finalised back in 2015 when X was still new.
I'd just love an edited version of the "bad" stages. Like just make an overhaul of poke floats where you make it move and change a little slower, or with rumble falls or icicle mountain, have a small area to fight then have a 5 second transition period to move up to a different area to fight.
@@spadezap9728 we don't need it, we want it. We didn't need dlc in the Wii U one in my opinion, but we got it and it was a success. Who says a definitive/ultimate version of a game can't have DLC.
You also forgot to include the original Pictochat from Brawl in your list of missing stages. It features different drawings than Pictochat 2.
If they release Nintendo lite (Next Gen Console) PictoChat X will be included
They also forgot Pyrosphere (I can see why it didn't come back considering Ridley was the selling point of it)
I believe Pyrosphere can definitely come back seeing as the Ridley there is a clone of the original
Mike-Daddy maybe it will be there but without Ridley. But I don’t get why they didn’t mention it in this video
I really hope planet Zebes from 64 somehow makes it in. It’s my favorite Metroid stage because of the music and the fact that the layout is bigger than Brinstar’s. Also I really hope for Rainbow Road and PAC-Maze make it in too. I’d find it weird if the didn’t make it in
You forgot Melee’s Flatzone, however I’d be redundant as it was added to Flatzone X.
You also forgot Brawl’s Pictochat. Honest I wish they would’ve made a Pictochat X, and morph it with Pictochat 2.
Also Pyrosphere but Ridley is playable so who cares.
Oh I absolutely disagree that Corneria is better than Sector Z! I always hated the fact that the Great Fox got shrunken down even further in the Corneria stage. It's so bloody tiny! In Sector Z the Great Fox actually felt like the real one because it was so much bigger.
Also, isn't Rainbow Cruise a stage in Ultimate, despite it being a moving stage? If they can get the stage morph feature to work there, I don't see why it couldn't work in something like PokéFloats.
RIP Poké Floats :(
(Hopefully it'll be DLC, ya never know...)
I think that Pac-Maze got cut because the ghosts would sometimes travel in the area bellow the main platform, remember that Smash 3DS shows the % of damage and the stocks in the bottom screen, maybe when ported to Ultimate, that only has one screen, these indicators block the bottom of it, so players wouldn't be able to see the ghosts coming.
I wish they made a stage similar to the miiverse one.
The last time that I played on the Miiverse stage, there was nothing but drawings of penises in the background.
@@iknowyou393 who where you playing as?
@@pentsive2040 obv he was playing as the famous Richard Rooster.
@@Bawk_Bawk oh...
Okay?
Battlefield. :^)
There’s no such thing as reasonable in this game, haven’t you guys learned anything, that’s like saying there’s no point in putting Pokémon Stadium when there’s Pokémon Stadium 2
When clearly both have made it.
Even with Characters, Was Puff reasonable in 64 was Game & Watch reasonable in Melee or Sonic and Snake from brawl or even Cloud, Bayo and freaking Wii Fit Trainer!!! Guys if I’ve learned anything you can throw reason and logic out the window this is Sakurai, he just dose what he wants.
there isn't anything "reasonable" but there are limitations, like the time that sakurai would have had to sink into a remade orbital gate assault
"Even with Characters, Was Puff reasonable in 64 was Game & Watch reasonable in Melee or Sonic and Snake from brawl or even Cloud, Bayo and freaking Wii Fit Trainer!!! "
Jigglypuff was added in 64 for similar reasons to clones in Melee, GaW is a reference to Nintendo's history, both Sonic and Snake were requested to be in the game by their developers during Melee's development, Wii Fit Trainer is also a pretty famous Nintendo character, and Bayonetta was seen as the most viable ballot winner to add to the game.
Sakurai has done some crazy things for Smash (Putting 103 stages into one game, adding a Piranha Plant as a fighter, killing everyone in a cutscene, etc.) but I don't think those characters are exactly crazy
tue but sakruai sued logic for way the no botw zeld ahe sia shse no fight yet he we all no flanco vlleirn btich fit triane no fighers he made them figher so he lgoci is domb
@@ssjgotenks2009 English nigga
signerleo snyder Do you not know how to do god damn English?!
You know what would be neat?
Trophy stages. Like how in certain melee event matches you fight on a trophy. They could add a tangible benifit for trophys and be hella cool.
Poke floats could have an Onix for omega if he made Onix climbable and a couple floats under the Onix. And for battlefield it could be an Onix and 2 flat Unown (?) With the edits mentioned in Omega. And It could just go through a specific, even float each time before it's morphed
Planet Zebes and Sector Z are N64-Stages, so they would be displayed in their original form. Because of this fact, they are different enough to Brinstar and Corneria, so I don't understand why are still not included since Smash 64... It's pretty sad, since I love the original low-poly design of those two stages...
I just don't get why *every* included stage has to work with stage morph. Just include the ones that won't work and disable them from selection when the stage morph feature is turned on.
And yes, Pac-Land is an abomination. I find it hard to distinguish the busy, too-colorful background from the fight going on, sometimes. Plus it looks like butt.
jjmblue7 I agree. The top of the screen has room for more tabs. Just create another tab and throw in the stages that can't work with stage morph and label the tab "special" or something. I wouldn't have minded if a couple of stages got left out
This channel is just assuming shit, they know nothing.
0:20 is no one going to point out that they playing pac-maze (a 3ds exclusive stage) on the wii u version?
sure it might be a mod but I'm surprised no one else was surprised to see that
It's a mod.
I'm okay with the fact that there is already enough stages and I know it's an enormous work to do but the reason why I think we will have every stages at the end (maybe not clone stages like Sector Z etc...) is because it seems weird to call this game "Ultimate", bring back every characters, every good things from previous titles and don't include the only 15 missing stages. It's almost nothing at this point and it would sounds like a missed opportunity to actually bring back all stages.
Say that some stages are not compatible with stage morphing isn't a valid argument because moving stages like Orbital Gate Assault can start on the stable starting platform and start moving after the stage transition. I'm sure it's not impossible.
And not only stages but also some characters are controversial in the Smash Community like Pichu or Young Link and they are in the game so I don't think it's an issue.
But great video anyway.
i dont get why ppl say that scrolling stages are cut because of the stage morphing feature yet we have pac land . so that right here contradicts the scrolling stages wont return in ultimate rule
The difference is that Icicle Mountain and Rumble Falls scroll vertically while Pac Land scrolls horizontally. Same goes for Mushroomy Kingdom, and Rainbow Cruise goes around in a big rectangle. As well as the fact that Pac Land doesn't loop on and on forever like the two vertical climbing stages.
Post game DLC maybe will have all stages return. All stages have their fans, yes including Rumble Falls so Sakurai may bring back the rest to keep fans happy
This was a very enjoyable video! You both did a great job at explaining everything and using the footage in the background and music was entertaining too. I'm looking forward to this game releasing on December 7th.
Omega and battlefield would just be you on a platform watching the pokemon float in the back.
There is NO replacement for Mute City.
Yes there is. Sorry.
Captain Mega No there isn't, Mute City SNES, Big Blue and Port Town Aero Drive are not viable replacements. Melee's Mute City is objectively better than all three of them, and you have to be blind to think otherwise.
@@lordnul1708 Setting aside my ninor version and has never played Melee, why do you think one stage is better then three, with one of them being simlar to Mute City?
Captain Mega I meant in a more individual sense, but Big Blue is too similar to the Spirit Train in that you literally cannot recover if you fall off a particular side, and Port Town Aero Drive is too similar to Rainbow Road, another stage where it's practically impossible to recover from but for a different reason: you're more likely to get trapped under the stage or bounced from the bottom to one of the kill zones than successfully grab the ledge. As for Mute City SNES, the only thing it has going for it is nostalgia. Melee Mute City, however was by far the most balanced F-Zero stage, so it's much more compatible with the stage morph feature than the other three.
@@lordnul1708 its not meant to be balanced its meant to represent F-Zero
I would love if we got a Shantae, Shovel Knight and Bomberman stage
Lewis Erison I like the way you think
@@firebucket8203 Since they're not playable, a stage to represent their franchises is better than nothing
Lewis Erison agreed
Also, I think the 3 open spaces after the 5 dlc spots, will be Pac Maze, Rainbow Road, and That new Smash 4 Fox Stage
What’s the ost called for your introductions for your smash videos??
Don't really buy the Stage Morph argument that I always hear wrt Icicle Mountain etc. They could simply be disabled if you're using the Stage Morph feature. So simple.
That would be stupid, Sakurai said that EVERY stage works with 8-player and Stage Morph options, so there is no way that any stage could be disabled (it would be dumb), anyways, all this stages have very good reasons to not be there: Planet Zebes, Sector Z, Mushroom Kingdom 1 and Mute City (Melee) are too similar to Brinstar, Corneria, Mushroom Kingdom 64 and Port Town Aero Dive (and don't bring up the Smashville - Town and City argument, those are in because they were easier); Pyrosphere because of Ridley's inclusion as a fighter; Icicle Mountain and Rumble Falls are hated by community; Poke Floats would have problems on it's Omega and Battlefield forms (and Onix can't be any of those forms, they need to be identical to FD and BF on their shapes) and it's irregular and painful terrain is awful; Rainbow Road was directly ported from MK7 to SSB3DS so bringing it back would mean to remake it completely and it has the same gimmick as the Mario Circuit U; Orbital Gate Assault (the one that hurted me the most) isn't very liked by people and would be too much work (in SSB4 it took 1 year of dev); Pac-Maze gimmick can't work on 1 screen, it would need an screen for each player 'cause without it you would never know who's able to eat the ghosts; Yoshi Wooly World... this one should be there but meh; and Jungle Hijinx would be very problematic with Stage Morph; but theres NO REASON to complaint, we already have 103 stages, we DON'T need more, so it's totally fine, they could get as DLC tho (there are some that i would love to see in SSBU), but we shall wait and see.
I think that they would pause the stage where it is then morph it. Y'all acting like its rocket science.
At this point honestly just have all the stages return tbh
I always thought PAC-MAZE wasn't included because the ghosts and pellets affect specific player's screens which was made possible since even with locale play on 3DS everyone had their own screen.
I bet someone on the development team was making the new Pac Man scrolling stage and was like "This will help people love scrolling stages again!"
LMAO NO
I'd like to point out that the Metal Mario stage from SSB64 has NEVER been legitimately playable on demand in a Smash game before. I wasn't expecting it to be included, but when Sakurai was talking about all of the additions from previous games, I was really hoping it would make it for the first time in the series. Why? BECAUSE THAT THEME MUSIC IS AMAZING!!! Even if they don't add that stage, I still really want them to at least add that track to My Music!
finally someone said it
They include 75m and Mario Bros but no Pokefloats, sector Z or Jungle Hijinxs
PAC-Land is kind of a guilty pleasure of mine, but yeah, I definitely would've preferred PAC-Maze, that's my favorite stage from the 3DS version.
Rainbow Road was taken out for no reason. Because the stage morph would work but then the stage is not a spoiler too, so why would they take one of the most amazing stages out, and they even still have Mario Kart 7 music too. And Pac-Maze, even if it had stage specific items, Golden Plains has it's own coin counter and coins, and Pac-Land has items that make you able to jump higher and become invincible, and fire hydrants that make you big, but still Pac-Maze was cut. Oh and Jungle Hijinxs, the stage morph could have a delay so everyone would be put back into the foreground and the background would not be usable until Jungle Hijinxs is accessible again. So the spoilers and Stage Morph are basically are lies and excuses to be made dlc that takes your money or to make you sad that they may never come back. At least stage builder is here now. But you can't make the stage the same way that they were for many reasons.
Notice how he only hearts positive comments and not the ones that criticize this video.
There is always Mods
Or DLC
Worst thing about Rainbow Road missing, is that there are now only Mario Circuit and Figure 8 Circuit in Ultimate that have the Mario Kart Soundtrack. Cause for some reason its excluded from other Mario stages
"How would (Pokefloats) work in Battlefield or Omega form."
Cloud platforms with the balloons in the background. Though, I'm definitely not sad to see it absent. It and scrolling stages are so awful, that I never play on them, even casually.
Also as many of you are saying, rainbow road would look absolutely gorgeous in hd.
Nintendo could’ve just made some stages not be able to stage morph
Might be a stupid question, but how exactly do scrolling stages interfere with stage transformation? Aren't there going to be other stages where it's scrolling sideways?
I don't get how Pac Maze and Rainbow Road were cut.
Pac Maz is iconic, easier to make compared to the abomination that is Pac Land, and would work perfectly with Stage Morph. We have a stage that's similar in gimmick, Golden Plains, with the whole collecting pellets/coins thing. Honestly, they could've saved some time making Pac Maze over Pac Land.
As for Rainbow Road, it's not a spoiler, especially since Mario Kart 7 is like 5 years old at this point. And again, it would work perfectly with Stage Morph, as we have another similar stage, Port Town Aero Dive.
I'm really hope that they get added for DLC, but it's not very likely at this point. Fingers crossed.
Wait how is pac land work with morphing feature, I thought scrolling stages no work with it
I think he meant vertical scrolling.
@@malikcrim13 Rainbow Ride (used to be Rainbow Cruise) is in and that one has both horizontal and vertical
CriticalDB The official smashbros website still calls the stage Rainbow Cruise.
@@Blah3210 oh thanks for letting me know, i was sure it was changed to Rainbow Ride for some reason
It's a confusing situation:
The original SM64 course is called Rainbow Ride in English and Rainbow Cruise in Japanese.
In Melee, the localisation team didn't change the stage name to Rainbow Ride to fit with the original English name, except in the European version. This happened again in Brawl.
And now, even on the UK version of the SSBU website, the stage is called Rainbow Cruise, so I have no idea what it'll be called in the full game.
I agree there is absolutely no reason to exclude Rainbow Road and Pac-Maze. I'd gladly give up several stages in exchange for those two.
I think that page will fill up, giving us 109 stages, meaning 6 more will be filled. There are almost certainly at least 2 or 3 fighters yet to be revealed from series not yet with a stage. (For example, Isaac and a Golden Sun stage seems to be almost a given at this point, I could also see Geno and a Mario RPG stage, and even Banjo & Kazooie with a stage for their series), which I think would leave at most 3 remaining classic stages unannounced as returning. I would think these would be real popular ones that they're holding back just get that extra little hype out of us all when they're confirmed. As such I think we might still see Pokefloats, Pac-Maze, and orbital gate assault or wooly world.
I think the main issue with Pac-Maze was the system that they used with the pellets. It was made to work with having different screens, so they'd have to make changes in order to implement it into Ultimate.
fantasyfeak999 They could always modify it though. Golden Plains also got in and I believe it used the multiple screens feature (correct me if I'm wrong though)
All they had to do is what golden plains did, just remove separate screen feature and if anyone collects 50 pellets they become strong and can deal more damage, but the ghost won't turn blue
People care about spoilers in a Mario Kart game? Give me a break.
I think they would have to alter the original missed stages to fit in with stage morph but Im sure the team could pull it off I just hope it could be included as final dlc as a shirt of jumbo stage pack
How do u know these stages wont be there when the game didn't even come out yet, Sakurai is full of surprises
When it comes to PACLAND, we can always turn the stage hazard off 😁
but that wont fix the glitch where the stage sucks ass
we don't know at all what would happen, my guess is it just stays still or it just scrolls with literally nothing going on
Richard Smith I think pacland is a great stage.
How about we just turn the entire stage off instead?
This aged horribly.
I greatly prefer Sector Z and Planet Zebes to their Melee counterparts. The Melee versions are way too small.
Agreed
You also forgot the Crystal Cave stage from Smash 64's singleplayer mode. It's one of the more wanted stages to be playable, but lately I cant really see it now that it would work because a Yoshi stage has the same layout except for the funky main platform terrain.
I literally come back here every time in hopes that the fanbase will keep rooting for rainbow road
I’m still wondering how they’ll make an Omega form of Hanenbow
And battlefield too
@@elsenormexico they will just remove the platforms....m
@Gengavari @Mr Edgy
I think he meant a Battlefield form of Hanenbow
Sector Z is WAY Better than Corneria
Why do you say that?
daddyishott t I still play the N64 Smash at work on lunch break and Sector Z is one of my favorites for it’s lengthiness and stage weapons(although admittedly annoying when the spaceships would shoot you off the map).
@@garrettmason5342 do you work from home? If not what is this magical place that has n64 lunch breaks?
Alan Hill I work in Ad Tech in the Silicon Valley(aka startup culture) I know I’m lucky
Agreed, Sector z was the best stage in 64, corneria was always a lame version of it. I wish sector z came back and corneria didn’t
The PAC-Maze exclusion is so miserable. I loved that stage.
I hope they release DLC stage packs featuring stages that didn't make it in, and maybe some new stages as well that are separate from the DLC fighters
No Pokefloats?! Why?
Stage Morphing interference
Meteor let's hope they find a way
Outdated we'll prolly get a sequel wit more current Pokémon
This wasn't a stage. It was a bizarre feverdream.
Everything wrong with this game is because of the Stage Morphing feature!! Geno is not a playable character because of the Stage Morphing feature! Banjo will not appear in the game because of the Stage Morphing! 🤓😒🤨
Ikr this guy keeps saying "BeCAuSe oF sTAgE MoRPh"
Banjo will appear in the game.
tAkE tHaT sTaGe MoRpH
I dont see how wooly world would be canned because of its transformation, we have freaking skyloft working in stage morph, and that changes a heck of a lot more than wooly world
I mean does every stage HAVE to be compatible with the stage morphing feature? could they not just as easily have certain staged grayed out and unavailable for stage morph? seems like a dumb reason to not include them.
Sector z is 1000X better then melee's stage,
Agreed