VW didn't go in with a big check to buy the rights to the Scout brand, their subsidiary Traton bought Navistar and they owned the rights to the nameplate.
Let me rephrase this... A few years ago VW bought a stake in Navistar (to take on Mercedes, now Daimler Trucks, with their Freightliner purchase), which about a year ago (2021) became a full purchase, so Traton, the division created by VW to manage all of their truck brands except VW Commercial in Europe, which the auto division kept, became the full owner of both the International and Scout brands.
Glad to see someone knows what they are talking about! Our VFD recently replaced a Freightliner with an International MV SERIES. Both units are E-ONE and Cummins powered with Allison tranny's, but the initial quality of the MV is far superior to that of the "Freightshaker."
Volkswagen has not done anything right in 20 years ! So now they will take a proud American brand and tarnish it with subpar poorly built reliability plagued, feces grade vehicles! SAD ! Sad! SAD !
I actually owned a 1977 Scout II with the 345 V8. I went off-roading in Colorado with it and it was a fun vehicle. Its gas mileage was low and the fuel gauge was non-linear. I once coasted from the top of Cottonwood Pass all the way into town in neutral to get gas. I rode in on fumes. It was a very Agricultural vehicle; rough ride, no AC, rusted 24/7 and leaked oil from every gasket. However, it didn't matter. I loved it.
I had a 79' Scout 2 w/345 4bbl...( timing off the 8th cyl) . Ran good...rusted good too( upstate CNY). We went to Colorado last summer and saw a couple of I-H scouts in Telluride. We drove up Cottonwood Pass in our Ram. The highest elevation we drove.
Our family business owned a 1961 Scout tow truck/snowplow truck until 2006 when my uncle took it from PA to Texas. It was powered by a slant 4 banger (1/2 of a V-8) with a granny gear that could pull down a house! It had 13700 original miles on it when it went to Texas and is still running to this day.
@Bill Jamison How many batteries has it had swapped? LOL. Immagine if You would... each of those would cost $20,000 on top of a $5,000± EPA fee for disposal.
@@tommythreetoes9524 Electric vehicles...a government scam perpetrated on a gullible uneducated populous forgetting how much energy it takes to mine the minerals to produce the batteries and not to mention our deteriorated outdated electric grid!
My father had an international scout I grew up with I loved it. The greatest thing about the international scout was that it wasn’t electric and you can leave it in the barn for four years then dust it off and drive it. The international scout is a great vehicle to take do you’re off grid hunting camp where there is no electricity.
Learned to drive in my dad's ol 1966 Scout. Thing was and still is a Beast, tougher than most Tanks! I'd be shocked if the new Scout is half as good as the 60s-70s Scouts.
Roman has a great idea! Tractors have a PTO with splines where essentially pieces of equipment snap on and connect to the 3 point hitch. The electric vehicle has and incredibly powerful torquey motor that would power an awesome winch! Tommy you owe your dad a sandwich on this one.
That would require some sort of gearbox and clutch that would just add needless complexity. Simpler and probably more efficient to just have a typical winch with its own motor.
The power takeoff on an ag tractor has nothing to do w/ the three point. Also, the PTO is on the rear of a tractor so even if a winch could be powered by the PTO, it would be inconvenient beyond anything.
Growing up my grandpa had a Scout and we all loved it. Older brother and I always said “it’s mine” as kids. When he passed his wife at the end got it and she wouldn’t give it up. It sat in the field and rusted away. It was so frustrating to see.
I bought a 79 Scout II new. The color was "Burnt Orange" which is exactly like the photo you show. Had a nice looking Rallye stripe. Rusted terribly, no matter how hard I tried to stop it. No A/C, so I had to sell it when I moved to Florida. Missed it terribly ... until I bought a Range Rover many years later.
If you know the large John deere equipment used to run Caterpillar engines mounted on the rear, the saying for them was nothing runs like a deer with a Cat on it's ass.
Father and son dynamic is fun! reminds me a bit of my interactions with my dad (since im also a big nerd like Tommy). Interesting stuff! looking forward to what VW does with that brand!
The pictures give me hope that they're pulling a Bronco rather than a Blazer, but only time will tell. Definitely keep on this one, the EV world needs a nice basic 4x4, I look forward to seeing if this fits the bill.
You should also note that the Scout was made at the International Havester plant in Hamilton, Ontario , Canada unitl the companys demise in the early 80's. The plant also made harvesters, tractors and transport trucks
Roman, you make it difficult to watch sometimes. Tommy IS your best presenter for this type of thing; let him do his thing!!! Having owned a Travelall (and having lusted after the late-model Scout), I am not sure about this use of the nameplate, especially considering that it's Volkswagen doing it and (I agree with Roman here) the ID series does not seem like a great base for such a new 'off-roading Scout'. Awaiting further news . . . Thanks for the book information, Tommy . . . I may get one.
I've made this same comment before. Roman loves to interrupt everyone on his team and I think most people enjoy hearing historical things about car companies they're interested.
Let Tommy talk and do his thing he is the best on all of tfl expertly doing the home work and telling everyone what's up with cars trucks suvs and motorcycles
You are in luck, because Volkswagen has already said they planned on spinning this off as its own independent company. They even said they will not be using the MEB platform on this truck. Seems like it is completely isolated.
Like all Binder pickups and scouts you needed the "line sheet" from the factory to order parts. I thought about buying a used Scout but it needed a front drive shaft. Went by the local dealer and was told there were 18 to chose from, which did I need.
Going all electric is a huge mistake. It should be "series hybrid". A small diesel engine spinning an alternator to power electric drive. Think locomotive scaled down.
Gosh I’ve learned so much today from you guys ! By far the most prepared and knowledgeable review.. love the dynamic father / son .. old and new generation.. awesome video !
My Grandpa owned an IH dealership and that's all we ran. We had plenty of IH trucks and Scouts at the farm in 60s and 70s. Still a few sitting around the farmyard. Would like to get one of these new Scouts!
Tommy, look into Harvester Homecoming. Its an annual event at new museum at old International factory in Ft Wayne. Navistar moved their museum trucks there that they had at the Melrose Park facility that closed last year. ...and like others have said, VW didn't buy the Scout nameplate, they got it free when their commercial division TRATON bought Navistar.
International Harvester Scout should never have left! By the way you said `runs like a Deere`,... you should check out where and who, and why this was said first. Now there`s an interesting story from some folks who are somewhat `well known`.
Volkswagen didn't buy the Scout name. In 2020, VWs commercial trucking division Traton bought Navistar (International) and with it the Scout nameplate. They didn't have the idea of reviving the Scout name until AFTER they purchased Navistar
came to say the same thing. Scout brand was free to VW. Came with their $3.7 billion purchase of Navistar. Navistar had many old Scout museum trucks at the facility in Melrose Park, IL. Now those moved back home to Ft Wayne, in a new museum, with annual event called Harvester Homecoming.
Had a 72 Scout II loved it 304 auto transmission. Bought it in 74 for $2800.00 sold sold it in 1982 for$2000. $100.00 year not bad how many new vehicles can you drive only lose $100.00 a year. That top picture looks a lot like my scout
If it has 4 doors, and depending on the range and price and options, this may end up replacing my Wrangler instead of the 4XE I had planned on replacing it with in a few years.
My Uncle had an International pickup parked in the barn when I was a kid growing up in Michigan. Single cab in that beige? color, the previous one had been green if I remember right. It was always clean. It was either a '74 or '75. He was so proud of it too. Weird how I can remember that but can't remember what he drove after that one. I think he had retired from farming by that time and my aunt wanted something a bit more comfortable to ride in.
Roman, love the modular connectivity idea. Plug and play, if you will. I would allow you to either remove quickly, when not needed, or if you're going camping, grab the items needed, snap (bolt) them on, and away you go!
That EV would be a great addition to my 1975 Scout II XLC and my 1962 Scout 80. If they can do it right and serve the brand well, I will be on that wait list.
"No one cares about that"...man, thems fightin' words next door in Nebraska. Ok, so I did come to this video to learn about the Scout but IH fans love their brand.
VW's Traton division (their heavy truck group) finalized complete ownership of Navistar last year. They did not have to buy Scout. Navistar began using VW engines and diesel technology after their big emissions debacle a decade ago and their ties grew to the point where VW decided to buy the entire company. That not only gave them 15% of the North American heavy truck market, it also gave them access to the Scout name. Trucks and SUVs are the bulk of the NA market and this gives VW the opportunity to be a real player in those segments.
Tommy always killing the fun mood, let Roman's fun think take part of the conversation lol. -Roman and Nathan are a good combo because they both bounce off each other. -Tommy and Andre always gotta be "facts, facts, facts" lol
I like the PTO idea. Basically, something like f-150 hybrid has with 110 and 240V connectors. Labeling and marketing it as PTO would be the cool thing!
If Volkswagen is gonna build a new Scout, they HAVE to keep the design of the front grill and headlights. Its iconic to the Scout. I do like the profile they have in the rendering. I'm hoping to see many nods to the original.
From what I've read, VW did not have to pay for anything to 'use' the Scout branding, unless they punted on the trademarks and copyrights when they bought Navistar. Navistar is the old IH (non-tractor), Case took the IH tractor division. We'll see if they actually make $40k SEVs. Tesla is not far from producing EVs only above $50k.
Yes Navistar had rights to scout trademark when IHC split in 1984, VAG bought Navistar couple years ago so they own the rights to Scout name already. No paying for anything more.
I don't believe price predictions for anything EV at this point, commodity inflation is going to continue to drive prices up on everything in the future I fear.
Dresser Industries bought the dozer, road grader, and payloader lines. I don't know what happened to the heavy mining equipment division. And MTD ruined the Cub Cadet line.
My dad was one of those WW2 veterans who bought many Scouts during the life cycle. He also loved the IH pickups and heavy trucks. Scout also was one of the first to use a diesel engine. The Scouts were basically killed off by legislation brought on buy larger car companies.
I'm not opposed to all electric but they aren't practical. Biggest thing they need to focus on is charge time. My family goes on vacation every year I need something with more range than 300 miles on a truck with at least a 12 hour charge time. Fossil fuels are still relevant. To me the easiest change would be moving to natural gas, yes is isn't as efficient as gas but better on emissions and you can fill up quicker than an electric.
All electric is in its infancy. Charging times are rapidly (pun intended) improving as is available charging infrastructure. Not everyone can be an early adopter, but it’s not as difficult to adapt, even now, as you imagine.
@@nancymathisen9707 Charging outside of residence is cost-prohibitive. What are renters, folks who live in apartments/duplexes and folks without garages to do? What about folks that only have on-street parking? Stop putting the cart before the horse. What about the rolling blackouts/brownouts occurring in California and the state's response is "use your hvac less"??
@@lawnguy3267, the problems you cite are mostly infrastructure. Most people can plug into an ordinary socket at home which is much cheaper than gas. For people who live in cities, in apartments, better public transportation and occasionally renting a car solves the problem. Texas is the state currently having grid issues. Vehicle batteries are going to be able to store enough energy to power the average home for days. Nobody expects a 100% transition over night.
I am loving these companies bringing back these old favorites, I just hope that one of them sticks with a more classic look. Would have been really pleased to see the Wagoneer with a vestiges of the original. Maybe Scout will get that right (IMHO). Always enjoy your videos! Keep up the great work!
I had a 1975 international scout rally 2, with the hatchback and a 345 v8 automatic transmission, what a in the woods truck, I drove it into the ground and had it 15 years, and when the body rotted out, I wanted to put a trans am body on it and beat it more in the woods
Had a '65 Scout mail vehicle (R hand drive) took it to Australia and drove it many, many miles in the 2 years I spent there. Never had a bit of trouble with it. Sold it to another GI when I left as I had procured a sweet Kwacker Z1 that was eligible to fly back. Still, wish I had kept it now, would be a great companion to my Ford Police Interceptor Utility. Hope VW does it justice, a turbo diesel would be nice.
I would order a VW Scout II EV in a heartbeat. VW has been known to put cool plaid cloth seats in cars so hopefully they do that in a Scout and keep the clamshell rear hatch too. Perfection!
I still have a 1974 Scout II . My family called it the barnyard Buick the rest of the people around called it a cornbinder . And yes red leave it in shed was all over also. I had the 345. It was a turn the hubs back up 4 feet and it was ready if one tire got traction you were up and gone . It got 24mpg driving easy . Did it ever rust out .
My dad had one of those 1st year scouts it wouldn't do 60 miles per hour downhill But when you took it off road it would pull had 2 shifters for the 4 wheel drive
I owned a 1977, I believe, Scout II. I loved it and wish I still had it. The only problem was anytime you went through water it would stop running. I tried everything but it was never fixed.
I removed about a gallon of sand that had collected there on each side, on my Scout II, shortly after buying it 30 years ago. I left the holes open. Problem solved.
This was originally from Equus. I'm really surprised that they didn't keep it..!? Equus Bass 770 and the Equus Throwback are both absolutely amazingly beautiful !!!
I love that someone is at least is bringing the Scout name and essence back. As a Bronco fan I’ve always admired Scouts. I thought Ford got the rights to the name Scout but I guess not. Can’t wait to see what they come up with. Very cool idea.
VW has had great success using a platform across vehicles and brands so this makes a lot of sense based on their past strategy. I was just at my neighbors checking out his 71 totally restored Scout with a V8 and four speed. I think he's ready to trade it in for an electric, think the dealer will take it?
Lego Truck!!!!!! Snap in winches and lights (or plugs) would be great … I feel that a modern pto would be plugs but that means it would be pre-wired from the factory (which is a fantastic idea)
If VW keeps the boxy proportions, I'd buy it. I'm considering an EV more and more, and I'd like it to be a pick up or offroader. As fuel prices in Canada continue to climb, higher and higher to be eye watering when filling up.
@@regsparkes6507 There are some benefits to tech... for example OTA updates that fix issues so you don't have to bring it in. Or perhaps streaming radio. Also, a simple screen is cheaper to build that dozens of mehcanical switches. But you are right... it doesn't need a lot of complex stuff... Just make it useful, purposeful and hopefully they find a way to make it affordable.
If I'm not mistaken. John at Super Scout Specialist owns all the rights to the International Light Line of vehicles. I'm a Scout nut, owned about 20 of them, just own 1 Scout Terra now
Another kick in the Jimmy to Chevrolet for the Blazer travesty (pun intended)! I heard from my non deere friends that i was paying for green paint, as it turns out green paint doesn't fade as easy as red and orange. Now that friend is using John Deere. Thanks for more fun content guys!
The red power roundup is in Springfield, Ohio, this year, and they are having tours of the navistar plant, which I believe is now building the reincarnated GM medium duty line.
MASSAM is absolutely correct , not only Volkswagen owns Navistar through Traton their commercial truck devision . But also Scout is used by Volkswagen's Skoda brand for the rugged versions of their line globally and well protected .
Proper genius! A PTO winch, as in a proper Ag-inspired PTO ecosystem, could drive a winch, pump, post-hole auger... Oops, sorry, I’m fortunate enough to have learned to drive on my grandfather’s Farmall ❤️❤️❤️. Spent many years on the back of a deer power-reverser, though.
Nope, Case - IH is NOT a part of Stellantis. They're ultimately owned by the Agnelli family, the former owners of Fiat before the FCA formation. Just like the Murdoch family still owns Fox after selling most of their old assets to Disney.
I have a 68 Scout 800 and an 07 FJ Cruiser… the 07 will have to wait on the new Scout to get into retirement from daily driving. I think this is exciting in what it might be.
The earlu Bronco (and likely Scout, too) had a mechanical PTO that came directly out of the transfer case. Ford sold an optional PTO drive winch for it. Look at the front of an electrical company bucket truck. It is just like that.
Costumization is king right now. Everyone wants to think they have a "one of a kind" so the lego Scout is brilliant. Different light packages and winches that the advantage electric vehicle customer can put on in their driveway is a great idea.
As an international scout owner I was happy to watch this. But also I'm not sure how I feel about vw bringing it back. P.s: the international scout encyclopedia vol.2 is also really good
They kinda got it wrong in the video. VW did indeed acquire the IH Scout brand... but what they missed is they plan on spinning it off as an independent American company. It will not share parts with VW vehicles. They are basically giving them a billion dollars, slapping them on the butt and saying GOOD LUCK!
I had a 1969 800A that was completely restored that I own for about 13 years. It was a really heavy duty industrial grade truck. The gas mileage was not that good but what do you expect for a 304 V8. I did slight modifications electric ignition modern wiring harness to improve performance other than that it was all stock. I'm not sure if I like the fact that it's all electric but maybe Volkswagen will make improvements over the other companies that manufacture all electric vehicles to where we get a longer range out of them. Not sure why they didn't come up with a hybrid instead but who am I I prefer gasoline engines I'm a dinosaur
Volkswagen Group has already confirmed they will not use the MEB for this. There is a Bloomberg Interview on youtube with Herbert Diess (VW CEO) explaining everything
VW didn't go in with a big check to buy the rights to the Scout brand, their subsidiary Traton bought Navistar and they owned the rights to the nameplate.
Let me rephrase this... A few years ago VW bought a stake in Navistar (to take on Mercedes, now Daimler Trucks, with their Freightliner purchase), which about a year ago (2021) became a full purchase, so Traton, the division created by VW to manage all of their truck brands except VW Commercial in Europe, which the auto division kept, became the full owner of both the International and Scout brands.
And I can report international had the same dieselgate issues VW did.
Traton owns “Navistar” which is International.
Glad to see someone knows what they are talking about! Our VFD recently replaced a Freightliner with an International MV SERIES. Both units are E-ONE and Cummins powered with Allison tranny's, but the initial quality of the MV is far superior to that of the "Freightshaker."
@@joecrumpler Freightshaker is the term they use in Australia. Scania and MAN, that make up Traton are very solid trucks
Consumers need to encourage VW to get it right the first time and produce a true 4x4 and live up to the Scout reputation.
Most EV cars and especially trucks are Full time 4x4 and use independent suspension. At least the ones here in North America are.
Volkswagen has not done anything right in 20 years ! So now they will take a proud American brand and tarnish it with subpar poorly built reliability plagued, feces grade vehicles! SAD ! Sad! SAD !
Low power, not much torque, and shittons of gearing to make up for it.
I'm gonna be pissed if they bring back the Farmall A as an electric.
I actually owned a 1977 Scout II with the 345 V8. I went off-roading in Colorado with it and it was a fun vehicle. Its gas mileage was low and the fuel gauge was non-linear. I once coasted from the top of Cottonwood Pass all the way into town in neutral to get gas. I rode in on fumes. It was a very Agricultural vehicle; rough ride, no AC, rusted 24/7 and leaked oil from every gasket. However, it didn't matter. I loved it.
They got 10 miles per gallon no matter what. I had a 79 for years.
@@samfuller6273 mine gets 18 no matter what with an LS swap in ‘05.
I had a 79' Scout 2 w/345 4bbl...( timing off the 8th cyl) . Ran good...rusted good too( upstate CNY). We went to Colorado last summer and saw a couple of I-H scouts in Telluride. We drove up Cottonwood Pass in our Ram. The highest elevation we drove.
@@samfuller6273 I had a 79 as well (304). 0-60 in only 13 seconds!
Still have mine since 1982.
Our family business owned a 1961 Scout tow truck/snowplow truck until 2006 when my uncle took it from PA to Texas. It was powered by a slant 4 banger (1/2 of a V-8) with a granny gear that could pull down a house! It had 13700 original miles on it when it went to Texas and is still running to this day.
That is wild, 13k in 45 years.
That is AWESOME!!🤩🚗🚚
@Bill Jamison
How many batteries has it had swapped? LOL. Immagine if You would... each of those would cost $20,000 on top of a $5,000± EPA fee for disposal.
@@tommythreetoes9524 Electric vehicles...a government scam perpetrated on a gullible uneducated populous forgetting how much energy it takes to mine the minerals to produce the batteries and not to mention our deteriorated outdated electric grid!
My father had an international scout I grew up with I loved it.
The greatest thing about the international scout was that it wasn’t electric and you can leave it in the barn for four years then dust it off and drive it.
The international scout is a great vehicle to take do you’re off grid hunting camp where there is no electricity.
I like Roman's idea of snap-in-place parts like a winch, off-road lights, ect. It's a cool idea, unique, and convenient.
sold my 1980 Scout II few months ago ,, was a great truck owned it for 9 years!!! Tough 4x4 for sure..
My brother in law had a 68 Scout. It went everywhere. Internationals were indestructible. I would love to have one.
Learned to drive in my dad's ol 1966 Scout. Thing was and still is a Beast, tougher than most Tanks! I'd be shocked if the new Scout is half as good as the 60s-70s Scouts.
I have a International Harvester refrigerator! Built in 1948 and same year I was born. Still runs like new - just like me. Go IH!
Hantavirus, Sin Nombre, is no joke! I'm glad y'all take precautions
Roman has a great idea! Tractors have a PTO with splines where essentially pieces of equipment snap on and connect to the 3 point hitch. The electric vehicle has and incredibly powerful torquey motor that would power an awesome winch! Tommy you owe your dad a sandwich on this one.
That would require some sort of gearbox and clutch that would just add needless complexity. Simpler and probably more efficient to just have a typical winch with its own motor.
You never used a pto powered winch that IH put on there’s trucks. They had unlimited power. You would rip the truck in half before that winch stoped.
The power takeoff on an ag tractor has nothing to do w/ the three point. Also, the PTO is on the rear of a tractor so even if a winch could be powered by the PTO, it would be inconvenient beyond anything.
Loved my Scout. I used to pull Jeeps out of trouble back in the 60's.
Growing up my grandpa had a Scout and we all loved it. Older brother and I always said “it’s mine” as kids. When he passed his wife at the end got it and she wouldn’t give it up. It sat in the field and rusted away. It was so frustrating to see.
Tried to buy 3 broncos once from a field. Oh no big plans for those blah blah, they’re still there 20 years later, rotting.
I had a 1979 Scout II and loved it. When the fenders started falling apart from the rust and the tranny slipped I sold it.
I bought a 79 Scout II new. The color was "Burnt Orange" which is exactly like the photo you show. Had a nice looking Rallye stripe. Rusted terribly, no matter how hard I tried to stop it. No A/C, so I had to sell it when I moved to Florida. Missed it terribly ... until I bought a Range Rover many years later.
I loved our old Scout. My family had a (1974?) growing up.
Ready to place my order! My high school years are going to be electrified. I had a 73 Scout ll and loved it. Excited to see how this develops!
Now they can cut down more trees to put solar powered charging stations in the middle of national parks. Yay progress.
I can't love this comment enough.
Or you can charge it at camping spots. You can simply plug it into RV outlet.
I had a 79 Scout II in high school. Loved it. Very excited the Scout name is being revived. Very disappointed it's going to be electric.
Should offer both Electric and Gas model and see which one sells the most.
If you know the large John deere equipment used to run Caterpillar engines mounted on the rear, the saying for them was nothing runs like a deer with a Cat on it's ass.
Father and son dynamic is fun! reminds me a bit of my interactions with my dad (since im also a big nerd like Tommy). Interesting stuff! looking forward to what VW does with that brand!
The pictures give me hope that they're pulling a Bronco rather than a Blazer, but only time will tell. Definitely keep on this one, the EV world needs a nice basic 4x4, I look forward to seeing if this fits the bill.
I hear you there. I’m a Chevy guy and when the new blazer came out I was extremely disappointed to say the least. Chevy definitely dropped the ball
Problem is the EVs are so darn heavy, that's a major draw back to this right now
@@justkillintime7554 the blazer looked like an equinox with 75 wings attached lol kinda embarrassing cuz I'm a Chevy guy to
You should also note that the Scout was made at the International Havester plant in Hamilton, Ontario , Canada unitl the companys demise in the early 80's. The plant also made harvesters, tractors and transport trucks
Scouts were sold in Australia
IH had an engine foundry in Louisville Kentucky
Roman, you make it difficult to watch sometimes. Tommy IS your best presenter for this type of thing; let him do his thing!!!
Having owned a Travelall (and having lusted after the late-model Scout), I am not sure about this use of the nameplate, especially considering that it's Volkswagen doing it and (I agree with Roman here) the ID series does not seem like a great base for such a new 'off-roading Scout'. Awaiting further news . . .
Thanks for the book information, Tommy . . . I may get one.
I've made this same comment before. Roman loves to interrupt everyone on his team and I think most people enjoy hearing historical things about car companies they're interested.
Let Tommy talk and do his thing he is the best on all of tfl expertly doing the home work and telling everyone what's up with cars trucks suvs and motorcycles
@@lock6686 I doubt most people do . . . if you do, enjoy.
@@OldThomMerton Considering tfl's target audience is older, I'd say most people would enjoy hearing background history on classics.
You are in luck, because Volkswagen has already said they planned on spinning this off as its own independent company. They even said they will not be using the MEB platform on this truck. Seems like it is completely isolated.
Like all Binder pickups and scouts you needed the "line sheet" from the factory to order parts. I thought about buying a used Scout but it needed a front drive shaft. Went by the local dealer and was told there were 18 to chose from, which did I need.
Let Tommy speak! Very interesting.
I plan on having one in my garage next to my ‘78 Scout II I just finished refurbishing. Greatest vehicle ever.
Going all electric is a huge mistake. It should be "series hybrid". A small diesel engine spinning an alternator to power electric drive. Think locomotive scaled down.
Gosh I’ve learned so much today from you guys ! By far the most prepared and knowledgeable review.. love the dynamic father / son .. old and new generation.. awesome video !
My Grandpa owned an IH dealership and that's all we ran. We had plenty of IH trucks and Scouts at the farm in 60s and 70s. Still a few sitting around the farmyard.
Would like to get one of these new Scouts!
Tommy, look into Harvester Homecoming. Its an annual event at new museum at old International factory in Ft Wayne. Navistar moved their museum trucks there that they had at the Melrose Park facility that closed last year. ...and like others have said, VW didn't buy the Scout nameplate, they got it free when their commercial division TRATON bought Navistar.
I miss my 73 scout 2. Hard to believe this EV thing will be even half as tough as the old ones were.
International Harvester Scout should never have left!
By the way you said `runs like a Deere`,... you should check out where and who, and why this was said first. Now there`s an interesting story from some folks who are somewhat `well known`.
Volkswagen can call their overpriced vehicle what they want, but it's still not a scout.
They had originally said they wanted to get it under $40,000. We'll see though!
Volkswagen didn't buy the Scout name. In 2020, VWs commercial trucking division Traton bought Navistar (International) and with it the Scout nameplate. They didn't have the idea of reviving the Scout name until AFTER they purchased Navistar
came to say the same thing. Scout brand was free to VW. Came with their $3.7 billion purchase of Navistar. Navistar had many old Scout museum trucks at the facility in Melrose Park, IL. Now those moved back home to Ft Wayne, in a new museum, with annual event called Harvester Homecoming.
Had a 72 Scout II loved it 304 auto transmission. Bought it in 74 for $2800.00 sold sold it in 1982 for$2000. $100.00 year not bad how many new vehicles can you drive only lose $100.00 a year. That top picture looks a lot like my scout
If it has 4 doors, and depending on the range and price and options, this may end up replacing my Wrangler instead of the 4XE I had planned on replacing it with in a few years.
My Uncle had an International pickup parked in the barn when I was a kid growing up in Michigan. Single cab in that beige? color, the previous one had been green if I remember right. It was always clean. It was either a '74 or '75. He was so proud of it too. Weird how I can remember that but can't remember what he drove after that one. I think he had retired from farming by that time and my aunt wanted something a bit more comfortable to ride in.
Roman, love the modular connectivity idea. Plug and play, if you will. I would allow you to either remove quickly, when not needed, or if you're going camping, grab the items needed, snap (bolt) them on, and away you go!
I'm excited to see what they do with this. It will definitely cool to see the Scout nameplate back as a brand.
Can’t wait! And I’m so down with snap in accessories! That would save so much time on install day! Brilliant idea..🤓
That EV would be a great addition to my 1975 Scout II XLC and my 1962 Scout 80. If they can do it right and serve the brand well, I will be on that wait list.
Those are awesome rides! I have a 1970 International Travelall 4x4 345 V8
"No one cares about that"...man, thems fightin' words next door in Nebraska. Ok, so I did come to this video to learn about the Scout but IH fans love their brand.
VW's Traton division (their heavy truck group) finalized complete ownership of Navistar last year. They did not have to buy Scout.
Navistar began using VW engines and diesel technology after their big emissions debacle a decade ago and their ties grew to the point where VW decided to buy the entire company. That not only gave them 15% of the North American heavy truck market, it also gave them access to the Scout name. Trucks and SUVs are the bulk of the NA market and this gives VW the opportunity to be a real player in those segments.
Not VW engines, but MAN designed the new emission compliant engines for Navistar. VW Corporations Traton owns Navistar
Navistar about bankrupted themselves avoiding running urea in the exhaust.
had a 73 travelall..thing was a beast, with a 392 and a Holley carb..dual fuel tanks..miss that monster
Tommy always killing the fun mood, let Roman's fun think take part of the conversation lol.
-Roman and Nathan are a good combo because they both bounce off each other.
-Tommy and Andre always gotta be "facts, facts, facts" lol
Awe, he can’t help that he’s autistic.
I like the PTO idea. Basically, something like f-150 hybrid has with 110 and 240V connectors. Labeling and marketing it as PTO would be the cool thing!
I miss my Scout 800. 0to 60 in 2.5 minutes but positive frt and rear and would crawl anywhere
If Volkswagen is gonna build a new Scout, they HAVE to keep the design of the front grill and headlights. Its iconic to the Scout. I do like the profile they have in the rendering. I'm hoping to see many nods to the original.
From what I've read, VW did not have to pay for anything to 'use' the Scout branding, unless they punted on the trademarks and copyrights when they bought Navistar. Navistar is the old IH (non-tractor), Case took the IH tractor division.
We'll see if they actually make $40k SEVs. Tesla is not far from producing EVs only above $50k.
Yes Navistar had rights to scout trademark when IHC split in 1984, VAG bought Navistar couple years ago so they own the rights to Scout name already. No paying for anything more.
Tenneco bought the ag equipment group of Harvester and merged it with Case,which they already owned.
I don't believe price predictions for anything EV at this point, commodity inflation is going to continue to drive prices up on everything in the future I fear.
Dresser Industries bought the dozer, road grader, and payloader lines. I don't know what happened to the heavy mining equipment division.
And MTD ruined the Cub Cadet line.
Love the Scout. Can’t wait to see it out and about.
My dad was one of those WW2 veterans who bought many Scouts during the life cycle. He also loved the IH pickups and heavy trucks. Scout also was one of the first to use a diesel engine. The Scouts were basically killed off by legislation brought on buy larger car companies.
The idea of snap in lights is pretty cool
I'm not opposed to all electric but they aren't practical. Biggest thing they need to focus on is charge time. My family goes on vacation every year I need something with more range than 300 miles on a truck with at least a 12 hour charge time. Fossil fuels are still relevant. To me the easiest change would be moving to natural gas, yes is isn't as efficient as gas but better on emissions and you can fill up quicker than an electric.
All electric is in its infancy. Charging times are rapidly (pun intended) improving as is available charging infrastructure. Not everyone can be an early adopter, but it’s not as difficult to adapt, even now, as you imagine.
@@nancymathisen9707 Charging outside of residence is cost-prohibitive. What are renters, folks who live in apartments/duplexes and folks without garages to do? What about folks that only have on-street parking? Stop putting the cart before the horse. What about the rolling blackouts/brownouts occurring in California and the state's response is "use your hvac less"??
@@lawnguy3267, the problems you cite are mostly infrastructure. Most people can plug into an ordinary socket at home which is much cheaper than gas. For people who live in cities, in apartments, better public transportation and occasionally renting a car solves the problem. Texas is the state currently having grid issues. Vehicle batteries are going to be able to store enough energy to power the average home for days. Nobody expects a 100% transition over night.
@@nancymathisen9707 LULZ. Expected response. You should move to North Korea with that ideology, seems like you would assimilate well.
@@lawnguy3267, you should move to botlandscape land where you would fit right in.
The I H truck's nickname is "The Cornbinder". I had '62 Scout w/ the slant 4. That Cornbinder could climb like a mountain goat.
I am loving these companies bringing back these old favorites, I just hope that one of them sticks with a more classic look. Would have been really pleased to see the Wagoneer with a vestiges of the original. Maybe Scout will get that right (IMHO). Always enjoy your videos! Keep up the great work!
They always over - modernize them .
When I was a kid in the 70's, my dad had a gray 2wd 4 door IH, and I think it had double doors on the back. Must have been a Travelall.
Yes the IHC Travelall was the answer to the AMC/JEEP WAGONEER AND THE GMC Suburban
I had a 1975 international scout rally 2, with the hatchback and a 345 v8 automatic transmission, what a in the woods truck, I drove it into the ground and had it 15 years, and when the body rotted out, I wanted to put a trans am body on it and beat it more in the woods
My father owned one back in the early 60s and he went everywhere with it.
I had a '77 Scout 2. Loved it. The one piece of equipment they should bring back...the vent window.
In 1961 the International Scout came out and in 1962 the Jeep Wagoneer came out. The Ford Bronco came out in 1965.
Had a '65 Scout mail vehicle (R hand drive) took it to Australia and drove it many, many miles in the 2 years I spent there. Never had a bit of trouble with it. Sold it to another GI when I left as I had procured a sweet Kwacker Z1 that was eligible to fly back. Still, wish I had kept it now, would be a great companion to my Ford Police Interceptor Utility. Hope VW does it justice, a turbo diesel would be nice.
I would order a VW Scout II EV in a heartbeat. VW has been known to put cool plaid cloth seats in cars so hopefully they do that in a Scout and keep the clamshell rear hatch too. Perfection!
I had a '63 with a slant 4. It would go 60 mph downhill. The most fun I've ever had driving.
It's not how fast you go, it's how you go fast.
you had me at Lego truck . I've been running Scouts for 40 years , never wanted an electric vehicle,, until now 😅
hope they keep the wipers up top. thats neato
I owned a 78 scout 2. Loved it. Hard to find parts at times. I'll be down for a cheaper priced electric version
How does $150k sound? Just take it out of your insider trading proceeds.
@@BillLaBrie They had mentioned they were targeting $40,000. Which would be amazing since average vehicle prices are now $47,100 right now.
I still have a 1974 Scout II . My family called it the barnyard Buick the rest of the people around called it a cornbinder . And yes red leave it in shed was all over also. I had the 345. It was a turn the hubs back up 4 feet and it was ready if one tire got traction you were up and gone . It got 24mpg driving easy . Did it ever rust out .
My dad had one of those 1st year scouts it wouldn't do 60 miles per hour downhill But when you took it off road it would pull had 2 shifters for the 4 wheel drive
I owned a 1977, I believe, Scout II. I loved it and wish I still had it. The only problem was anytime you went through water it would stop running. I tried everything but it was never fixed.
long ago i had an IH travelall. this was a great thing back in the 80's. this could be fun
Scout- famous for the “mud collection bin” between the back of the door and in front of the rear wheel well.
I removed about a gallon of sand that had collected there on each side, on my Scout II, shortly after buying it 30 years ago. I left the holes open. Problem solved.
Return of the Farmall Fastback.
This was originally from Equus. I'm really surprised that they didn't keep it..!?
Equus Bass 770 and the Equus Throwback are both absolutely amazingly beautiful !!!
I love that someone is at least is bringing the Scout name and essence back. As a Bronco fan I’ve always admired Scouts. I thought Ford got the rights to the name Scout but I guess not.
Can’t wait to see what they come up with. Very cool idea.
Ford and that 3 cylinder Bronco 😝
@@ProctorsGamble Not sure what Bronco you’re taking about. 300 hp and 325 lbft in the 4 cylinder alone.
VW has had great success using a platform across vehicles and brands so this makes a lot of sense based on their past strategy. I was just at my neighbors checking out his 71 totally restored Scout with a V8 and four speed. I think he's ready to trade it in for an electric, think the dealer will take it?
sure they will take it , but not for what its worth.
there was also a IH Travelall bigger rig similar to a 1960's 4 dr Jeep Wagoneer also.
The scout traveler was 118” wb so longer but still a scout. While the travelall was based on the pickup
i vote for Red and International every day! thanks Tommy for being a fan!!!! thank you!
Lego Truck!!!!!! Snap in winches and lights (or plugs) would be great … I feel that a modern pto would be plugs but that means it would be pre-wired from the factory (which is a fantastic idea)
If VW keeps the boxy proportions, I'd buy it. I'm considering an EV more and more, and I'd like it to be a pick up or offroader. As fuel prices in Canada continue to climb, higher and higher to be eye watering when filling up.
Hopefully VW will not load it down technology for the sake of technology i.e. Land Rover, and then make the 'new Scout' more desirable.
@@regsparkes6507 There are some benefits to tech... for example OTA updates that fix issues so you don't have to bring it in. Or perhaps streaming radio. Also, a simple screen is cheaper to build that dozens of mehcanical switches.
But you are right... it doesn't need a lot of complex stuff... Just make it useful, purposeful and hopefully they find a way to make it affordable.
Awesome go all Electric can wait till this comes out. It will looks nice next to my wife’s 63 IHC Scout👍🏾🇺🇸
If I'm not mistaken. John at Super Scout Specialist owns all the rights to the International Light Line of vehicles. I'm a Scout nut, owned about 20 of them, just own 1 Scout Terra now
I am so excited for the Scout EV!
Great work Tommy. Wish I had more than a one car garage to buy and store 1/10th the automotive toys you'all get to play with.
Another kick in the Jimmy to Chevrolet for the Blazer travesty (pun intended)! I heard from my non deere friends that i was paying for green paint, as it turns out green paint doesn't fade as easy as red and orange. Now that friend is using John Deere. Thanks for more fun content guys!
Had a 79 orange scout rally with posi traction front and rear. Wished I never sold it 😕
The red power roundup is in Springfield, Ohio, this year, and they are having tours of the navistar plant, which I believe is now building the reincarnated GM medium duty line.
MASSAM is absolutely correct , not only Volkswagen owns Navistar through Traton their commercial truck devision .
But also Scout is used by Volkswagen's Skoda brand for the rugged versions of their line globally and well protected
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Proper genius! A PTO winch, as in a proper Ag-inspired PTO ecosystem, could drive a winch, pump, post-hole auger... Oops, sorry, I’m fortunate enough to have learned to drive on my grandfather’s Farmall ❤️❤️❤️. Spent many years on the back of a deer power-reverser, though.
Loved IH Scouts. They did rust a lot !!
Case/IH was a part of FCA and now of Stellantis. Jeeps were widely used on farms to replace horses throughout the 1950' & 60's
Nope, Case - IH is NOT a part of Stellantis.
They're ultimately owned by the Agnelli family, the former owners of Fiat before the FCA formation. Just like the Murdoch family still owns Fox after selling most of their old assets to Disney.
@@syxepop cool thanks!
I have a 68 Scout 800 and an 07 FJ Cruiser… the 07 will have to wait on the new Scout to get into retirement from daily driving. I think this is exciting in what it might be.
The earlu Bronco (and likely Scout, too) had a mechanical PTO that came directly out of the transfer case. Ford sold an optional PTO drive winch for it. Look at the front of an electrical company bucket truck. It is just like that.
*early
the scout was always badass! I cant wait to see them be brought back! Hopefully they do follow the bronco route and not the dumbass blazer
Costumization is king right now. Everyone wants to think they have a "one of a kind" so the lego Scout is brilliant. Different light packages and winches that the advantage electric vehicle customer can put on in their driveway is a great idea.
As an international scout owner I was happy to watch this.
But also I'm not sure how I feel about vw bringing it back.
P.s: the international scout encyclopedia vol.2 is also really good
They kinda got it wrong in the video. VW did indeed acquire the IH Scout brand... but what they missed is they plan on spinning it off as an independent American company. It will not share parts with VW vehicles. They are basically giving them a billion dollars, slapping them on the butt and saying GOOD LUCK!
I had a 1969 800A that was completely restored that I own for about 13 years. It was a really heavy duty industrial grade truck. The gas mileage was not that good but what do you expect for a 304 V8. I did slight modifications electric ignition modern wiring harness to improve performance other than that it was all stock. I'm not sure if I like the fact that it's all electric but maybe Volkswagen will make improvements over the other companies that manufacture all electric vehicles to where we get a longer range out of them. Not sure why they didn't come up with a hybrid instead but who am I I prefer gasoline engines I'm a dinosaur
I'm looking forward to that. Hopefully that design it for the tall torso people, like Roman and I.
Volkswagen Group has already confirmed they will not use the MEB for this. There is a Bloomberg Interview on youtube with Herbert Diess (VW CEO) explaining everything
Thanks for the heads-up