The Scout was made at the Fort Wayne, Indiana plant and my Dad was transferred from the Springfield, Ohio plant to set up the assembly line design and for timing all the piece work jobs. I graduated from high school and spent the summer of 1961 actually working on a Scout sub-assembly line where I was responsible for spot welding the front fenders and the grill. My work schedule was from 3:30 PM to Midnight and I made up to $2.99 per hour. It was a tough job but gave me incentive to go on to college at Ohio State to eventually become an accountant and then work at various International Harvester locations for the next 17 years. I loved driving the Scout on business trips. Good memories.
I live in Fort Wayne and my Grandma worked as a secretary there and my Dad pulled the tickets to show each order options for what the scouts would get. The building and tower are still there.
I owned two scouts. A '68 800 and a '69 800A. They were both V-8's. The 800A was a three speed non-synchro first gear, and the 800 was a 4 speed with a rare overdrive unit. The downfall was that they were rust buckets. They were rusting away even out of the factory. If IH would have paid attention to corrosion resistance, they would have been on top of the 4WD heap. You could park them in your garage and sit there and listen to them rust away. I eventually junked both. The main body mounts rotted away, and IH didn't offer replacement mounts. Shame. I loved those Scouts.
the 46 Willey's could be bought with a tent that attacked to the opened rear hatch .................. but who really cares, all those old vehicles are better than anything we have to choose from today ...........................
it not only predated the International by a decade, it was a better built suv, it could be bought with a tent that attacked to the opened rear hatch .................. but who really cares, all those old vehicles are better than anything we have to choose from today ...........................
Out of the hundred cars I have owned, my ‘63 Scout was by far the most fun. Lay down the windshield, top off, doors off, it was a blast, and that little pickup bed carried everything we needed. The slant 4 had plenty of power, and was easier to use in rough terrain than a V-8. The distributor cap with 4 blanked off posts was engineering genius.
Had a '64 red/white and fully agree. Had some odd electrical problem which prevented me from driving more than 20 miles from home (never did figure that out) but was a blast within that area. Dragged trees out of the woods for firewood. Plowed the snow off my dirt driveway with a plywood plank plow. And just fun to go steep.
My dad owned 3 farms and bought one in 1963 so he used it to get around on the farms. What I remember most about it was that the windshield wipers were powered by air pressure, so that when you stopped at a stop light or anytime the engine was at idle, they would almost stop working and they sounded like the sucking machine at the dentist's office.
I miss the Scout. Back in the day I was always gone camping, fishing and hunting. I've had Jeeps (CJ5) and they were great but very small I've had a Chevy Blazer (Very disappointing) but the Scout II (304 V8) was just down right fantastic ! My needs changed (Marriage, kids etc.) building a house, I needed a pick up and still have today. Sad day when Scout left the scene. Great video ! It would be a welcome sight if VW came back with a new Scout, as long as it's not an EV.
I drove one for several years. One person called it my "urban assault vehicle". The back seats were taken out so there was plenty of space to carry stuff....like band equipment. In its' previous life it was a delivery vehicle!
I have a 64 Scout and a bunch of other vintage rigs that I love, but a new scout with an ICE would be a disaster. An all Aluminum, compound turbo engine with timing chains everywhere, MAF MAP IAT IAP sensors... No thank you. If it don't got timing gears a carburetor and a high Nickel block I'm not interested. A torque monster super simple EV drivetrain would be awesome though.
Agreed, IF they came out with a new Scout, it wouldn't really be anything like a REAL Scout, the old ones we remember and love..it would probably be about as much like a real Scout as the new Chevy "Blazer" is like a real '69-'91 Blazer...I love Studebakers,and I always hear people saying"I wish they still made Studebakers"..and I say, Why?..if they did, they would just be an ugly crossover or sedan that would look just like a Kia, Hyundai, Ford, Chevy, or any of the other look-alikes...@@augsu
My dad owned two Scouts. A '71 800B and a '76 Traveller. Both were custom ordered right hand drive since my dad was a rural postal carrier and needed then to deliver mail in the hilltowns. I actually learned how to drive on the RHD Traveller when I was 16.
I have seen at least a hundred of these old Scouts (not anymore, of course), but right now I'm remembering a particular one. Back in aboiut 1976 - 1977 I knew a guy who had one of these older Scouts, and I thought it had a homemade, raised roof. It looked like a professional tinsmith had done an alteration to provide more headroom. All these years later, THERE IT IS, the yellow Scout in the magazine ad at 7:19 in this video! The roof of the Scout I remember was bare galvanized sheet metal, not painted white, but that's the exact roof that it had.
Grew up in a scout. As a baby I rode in a cardboard box on the floorboard. No seat belts. Learned to drive in it. Drove it all through highschool with the top off, windshield down, and a pair of ski goggles. Great at the drive in with a load of friends on the square, steel, "seat"/fenders in the back. No seat belt vehicles were grand-fathered for a time. It was a late 65 80 series, dad always wished he'daybe waited for the bucket seats and " other half" of the engine to be available as the V8. IH aimed for something better than the jeep, and they scored big time. It was in the family till around 90 something when dad got rear ended early in the morning. No one was hurt. He let it go for $500.
I always loved the Scout 80 --- nearly bought one once, but passed, because I was unsure about taking it to a crowded urban environment where I wouldn't have parking. Still, they have a utilitarian, pugnacious charm that I really like. Thanks for this video! I am curious to see the VW reboot, too!
A friend of mine had an Austin Champ 4x4(the British jeep). We would drive it off-road in the California mountains and deserts. It had some innovative features.
I learned to drive in a 68 Scout 800. I was 8 yrs old. We had it until the early 90s. It was a snow plowing beast. The wipers, heater and radio were challenges 😮. I miss that old boy. Was a hell of a machine
Love it! Your take at the end with VW owning the rights to the Scout and finding out it’s electric and swiftly dismissing it is truly awesome. As a fan of the internal combustion engine I applaud you sir!
My dad drove an international scout while Vietnam, 1966-1968. He swore by it. I asked him about the ford bronco one time being we were a ford family (pickup and cars) and he said all the bronco’s were good for in Vietnam was leaving you stranded. They just wouldn’t go where the scouts would, and if they weren’t getting stuck, they were breaking down. On the other hand, after his time in Vietnam was up, we went to Indonesia for three years and USAID ordered international travel alls for them to drive there, and they were junk piles when they came in so they all ended up with Toyotas similar to jeeps with hard tops. They were fantastic, go anywhere and everywhere although slowly. They weren’t speed demons, but they were tougher than woodpecker lips. If I was rich, I would try to find one of them and restore it. I would paint it green with the very top being white, like that one was
My most loved vehicle I ever owned was my 1978 Scout, 2 door, steel top, automatic with the 345cid V8. There was no shortage of fun & adventures plus there was always a long list of friends wanting to get to enjoy the good times too!🇺🇸 My MoM had a 74 Travelall 4-dr, 2wd with the 304cid V8 when I was a preteen, lots a traveling with lots of room meant lots of fun!🇺🇸
I love my scout II! it has been in the family since the late 70s. Over 200,000 miles on the original 345 V8. Only bad thing about it was if you just mentioned the word “moisture” around it ,it just started rotting away.
That little 152CI four banger was a beast of an engine....Nothing stopped it. I had a 66 Scout with the 152 and it couldn't be stopped. Many trips up river with it and blasting through the wicked Erie, PA winters was always a hoot. A number of high school buddies would call me in the winter time for a tow from a ditch or deep snow somewhere. I'd love to have another Scout now but I can't afford the prices they are commanding.
In the mid 70’s we had a 1972-‘73 International Travelall. Amazing SUV. Didn’t really need 4-wheel drive in the winter as ours did not have it and did fine without it.
@@greatdaneacdc Well, it was what it was . I make no apology for it, was my Dad’s vehicle anyway. I’ve had a Jeep Cherokee, Ford F-150 pickup and police special Chevy Tahoe-all of them 4WD and loved them. I would just as soon have 4-wheel drive but our eastern Pennsylvania winters have not had much snow in the last couple years. The Tahoe I have now does not have it because they were dumping police specials at 9100 miles-both Tahoes were bought at exactly 9100 miles. The first one (4WD) was totaled when a drug addict being chased by the cops came out of a side street and I hit him broad side.
@@greatdaneacdc Through the ages, lots of people have done lots of hard work off-road using two-wheel drive trucks. As an example, my dad hauled countless tons of firewood out of farm woodlots with a 1969 Ford van. That van had more ground clearance than the vast majority of modern 4x4s and the approach and departure angles were a lot better, so it's ability over rough terrain was absolutely excellent. And it could turn a much tighter radius than any modern large vehicle. Plus, with much lower floor height than a pickup, loading wood was far easier. If conditions were wet, he used tire chains. Lack of 4x4 doesn't mean being helpless off road.
My parents always talked fondly of riding in their friend's Scout when they visited him out in Utah. The Toyota Land Cruiser and Nissan Patrol from that time period were awesome too.
Now with it being electric, the U in SUV can stand for useless. Anyway I think it's so cool that the biggest segments in the market today, SUV's and crossovers, were invented by small players in the market--International Harvester and AMC, respectively (AMC with the Eagle).
This is only the 3rd video I've seen from this channel and it is already better than 90% of the others out there! No politics or agenda, a video just about cars.
What a great story. My ‘68 Scout 800 was my first ride. That I was able to ‘go off road in’ was only topped by how much ‘gearhead’ work I had to do! Some joked that I needed a pilot’s license for the airtime - but I didn’t care. The Dana drive was awesome and plowing snow helped put me through college! BTW - profs to the MG comment when describing early history - That profile picture was taken with my B refurb and 100% agree on the ‘race engines’ in the old LBCs!
i think you have a misunderstanding of what an suv even is. the sport in suv isn't offroad ability that falls in the utility category. the sport was performance and comfort, it was a sporty comfortable vehicle that could rival a car but still had the utility to go offroad, carry gear and do work
I may be misremembering, but I don't recall ever hearing the term "SUV" at any point prior to the early 90s. I grew up rural. My best friend in high school had a 2nd gen, and then later, a 3rd gen Bronco (locking wheel caps! his second had a working winch!). Other friends or their families had blazers or jeeps. We called them 4WDs or by their brand name. I don't recall connecting them mentally with the gigantic Suburban.
"SUV" is like "Crossover", basically just a marketing buzzword having no real definition, and no relation to any specific type of vehicle. People splatter the terms onto a wide variety of quite different vehicles.
At the Auburn,Cord Duesenberg museum in Auburn, Indiana they have a Scout prototype made with a composite body. Auburn is 30 miles north of Fort Wayne where they built all the Scouts.
You omitted any mention of the Willys Overland, introduced in 1946, only showed a brief image of one. Other than the versatile roof system, the WO ticked every box the Scout did and evolved to be Wagoneer and Cherokee.
I love you. I owned a 79 scout traveler. I bought it used for $200.00. I loved that car and wish I had kept it. It was my weekend war wagon! At the time I was a working musician and that truck could haul P.A., Gear and Instruments to any gig and parked behind the stage made a perfect place to camp/sleep in. When I heard Volkswagen was going to bring scout back I was sooooooo excited, until I saw they were electric. NOOOOOO!!!! I have Blazers now, an 02 and 03 and they are falling apart. I can't find a new "SUV" to buy that isn't some over-glorified, middle aged, soccer mom, cross over with 1000 options that I don't need. And, WHERE'S THE TAILGATE??? I can't stand hatchbacks, everything falls out as the hatch hits you in the chin. I'm so angry. I want to open my own car company and make practical affordable cars that everyone can afford....(seems I've heard that somewhere before...) I would probably make the whole s10 line-up, Truck, Blazer, ASTRO Van. These vehicles did the WORK. I don't need a 5000.00 entertainment system in the back seat of the car for my child to be occupied for the 10 minute ride to school and back. I need a car that hauls gear, can leave the road, can be slept in, hauls a trailer, isn't ruined by pet hair, can survive spills and water where it's not supposed to go, doesn't slide on ice and eats through snow. Where is THAT car? Sorry about my rant. Thanks for doing this video. I just found your channel and I'm going to watch all your videos now.
Nice footage of the scout overtaking on Australian roads. Unfortunately the tough conditions here soon shook them to pieces and were replaced by Land Rovers and LandCruisers....
I learned to drive with a 1959 IH Scout. It was a pure utility vehicle. Direct sales competitors at that time were the Toyota Land Cruiser and the British Land Rover. Here in Michigan at that time it was known as being a utility vehicle most often owned by Gasoline Service Stations and others who the owner would use for a Snow Plowing business as a sideline. The little 4-cyl. engine offered enough torque to do what was asked of it. a bare bones machine design that said all work. Later, it seems the Ford Bronco took over that part of the market. A great video!
I owned a 1978 Corn Binder with the 345 V8. IH was waay before its time. Had they hung in there and adapt with the SUV evolution, the Scout could have saved the company I believe. Ironically, the design of todays SUVs (Broncos, LR Defender, etc.) is trending that way.
Great video! You got a new subscriber here after watching it. You really got my hopes up about IH Scouts coming back then...BooM... I got that stomach wretching feeling when I heard those horrible, unsustainable words, as an EV! I will never own an EV, even an IH‼️
Thanks for the video. I had a 1972 Scout with the 345 and limited slip 4:27 ratio axles. In low lock 4wd it seemed as though that truck could pull a house. It would be really nice if the new Scout company would build a version with out all the bells and whistles of modern SUVs. A stripped down version; rugged and reliable. Basically, I want a 67 Scout 800 in a modern truck that doesn't cost 60,000 dollars. That's a pipe dream. I will definitely consider an EV Scout. Hope it doesn't cost too much.
If you think the Scout was comfortable you obviously never driven or ridden in one. I bought a '63 Scout back in 1975 as my first 4x4. The thing rode like a tank and rattled your teeth out over bumps. I loved it though and would like to have another one now but they have gone crazy in pricing.
Yea I’ll agree. The original rattled your teeth. The 1970s Scout Two with the V8 and Chrysler automatic trannies were very nice by comparison. All it took was replace the stock shocks with Gas Gabriel’s and upgraded the shackles to Advance Adapters units and good set of Wrangler radials and a steering stabilizer install and finally the thing rode like a nice car. Been there, done that. I loved my Scout after we did the tweaks.
The Scout never got the attention from IH that it needed. Seems like it was unfinished in stock form. IH spent money on fancy stripes and plaid interiors but it was always needing a little extra work from a caring owner to be the legend that is talked about today.
Excellent synopsis. Lots of lore to cover in the Scout world. Great footage from the old ads, fun to see. It might have survived much longer in the IH lineup if not for their reputation for rusting in the showroom.
We had a Travelall. Great vehicle, except for the rust! Toward the end, IH came out with some type of rust warranty. I don't remember how long it was. Not long after that, they quit making consumer vehicles.
It's too bad that the car companies think they have to make every vehicle into a luxury car. I'd like to have a basic, spartan, go-anywhere vehicle without all the bells and whistles, something like the Dodge Power Wagon of the 1950's.
@@palco22 Right! There was a particular time period, I'd say late 70s, when the doors of Chevy trucks would sometimes rust right up to the windows in less than three years. Internationals were not unique in having rust problems.
I have a 2004 Suzuki Jimny (think Suzuki Samurai). I think the I4 engine makes 80hp. But it is short and cute and never fails to put a giant grin on my face. The Jimny is at my home in Italy. Stateside I drive a Chevy Express van. I cannot wait until I’m behind the wheel of the Jimny again. Only about 2 weeks to go. It’s also wonderful to raise the hood and be able to easily see the entire engine, fender wells, firewall, etc. There are some computers and fuel injection, but it’s still DIY serviceable.
I learned to drive in a ‘73 scout. 444 4 barrel. Only design flaw was the distributor cap frequently cracked, water intrusion, stalling. Otherwise a great vehicle.
@@dumkopf If the definition of SUV was "has 4x4" then most SUVs wouldn't be. It's too bad no governing body agrees with you. Also, given that the Suburban was the first SUV, its characteristics at the time would be the first characteristics that define what an SUV is. It did not have 4x4, therefore that cannot have been a defining characteristic. Oops.
I thought about mentioning the Jeep Station wagon or the Chevrolet Suburban and how they pre-date the IH Scout but many people have already pointed out the errors in this video.
The Chevy Suburban didn't have the option of four-wheel drive until 1960. 4x4 models that were available in the 1950s were the result of customization by an aftermarket company, and if you want to go down that road, the Ford Model A was available with 4x4 as an aftermarket conversion long before any other vehicle mentioned in the comments so far (I don't know the exact year for Ford, but I've seen a couple of preserved examples with 4x4 which I think were from the early 1930s).
@ericl2969 1957 was the first year 4WD was available as a factory option on the Suburban. Regardless, that's just goalpost shifting. The Suburban was the first SUV. It came out in 1933 commercially, and 1934 publicly. It didn't have 4WD because virtually nothing did at the time. You do know that having the first capacitive touchscreen (as opposed to resistive) didn't make the iPhone the first smartphone, right? Adding features to an existing type of product doesn't make you first. The Willys Jeep and the Scout are awesome vrhicles. They're just neither of them the first SUV.
The fact is the scout became the Traveler Station Wagon. Usually the travelers were only used off-road, when the driver had too much to drink and fell asleep.
If you see the Suzuki Jimny still follows this concept of SUV like the International . It’s small , rugged , performs pretty decent on the off-road .It is only 105 bhp but does the job job.
We had a 1966 Scout and it would go anywhere that you pointed it. It had Dana 44’s and a locker in the rear. Ours had the 4 speed with a non synchronized 1st gear which was a major improvement over the 3 speed. The real negative is that they were rust magnets
Bart: International Travelall was an interesting vehicle that deserves an episode. Ansel Adams had a few over the years, and had custom aluminum platforms installed on top for photography. His famous "Moonrise over Hernandez" photo was taken from the top of an IH Travelall. Also, you could go into IH history some: where were the Travelalls & Scouts built?
the willys wagon was the first SUV. Introduced in 1946 2 yrs before the scout was conceived. I have ridden in both stock rigs. I prefer the willys, but the scout went on for longer. I drive a 2 door 94 XJ cherokee very much like the scout but newer and more powerful Better creature comforts too( softer seats than my buddys 1980 scout II ) The ability to remove the top made the scout cool.
I appreciate your perspective and your research. It’s no easy task to cover decades of development in a field of special interest without generating one resounding clank after another as errors or misinterpretations pile up. Aside from kudos for that job well done, it would be interesting to know how you source all that video from TH-cam and elsewhere. Are clearances from each rights owner needed?
My dads first car was a scout two single cab pickup, it was a diesel, but he blew up that motor then put either a 318 or a 350 in there and put dual four barrel webbers in it.. I wish he didn’t let the thing rot into the ground. He said it once backfired so hard it set off car alarms
The Scout and Bronco were refreshingly primitive in the over-styled 60's and 70's. Both about the same off-road, with the tires making the biggest difference, tested on the Capt. Cook Monument Road in Kona, HI.I imagine the Willys" Wagon was in the same league, but with an extra cool factor, with gauges apparently from a steam engine. Toyota Land Cruisers were getting popular. Land Rovers and Dodge Power Wagons were in the mix in the 1970's.
I drove jeeps and international scout during that Era,no fancy power windows,no luxuries ! You didn't need it! You needed reliable transportation was the main objective!
In the mid 1970's, my school metal workshop did a total rebuild of an International Scout 4x4. It was done by the senior students with the understanding it would remain school property. (It was a private Catholic school) This unit was employed for exploration trips during school camps. Was great because of its 4x4 capability and could take up to 6 students on overland runs. I lived in Darwin, Australia at that time and saw a lot of wild country from that little pickup truck.
Wow." I like that. I have a dream of trying to remake the body of the International Scout 11 and installing it on any compact or midsize pickup truck chasis or body frame.." using non corrosive sheet metal.."
That's Lawrence Welk and the Lennon Sisters at 9:22 to 9:35. In the photo to the left, I'm telling Craig Morgan, the guy with the "International Harvester" song, that I own the Last Scout that was built by "International Harvester"!
The term " Sport Utility " was already used post WW II by Small Car maker CROSLEY - of Crosley Radio and Refrigerators Fame ! - - Oh - and the OG Range Rover was just Honda CRV Size !!
Sorry, the Scout wasn't the first "SUV" either. The concept of a large capacity enclosed body vehicle with 4x4 off road capability was the 1946 Willys Wagon. Also two door all metal body but a bit larger than the Scout or Bronco. By the time the Scout rolled off the assembly line the Willys Wagon had been on the road for 15 years and it had much more room. It gave way to the Jeep Wagoneer in 1965 which offered more comfort. The Scout was even preceded by it's IH cousin the Travelall which had 8 years on it. I don't believe the Travelall had a 4 wheel drive option. Of course all of these vehicles were preceded by the Chevrolet Suburban which was first offered in 1935 and also has the honor of the longest model name of any American vehicle. Initially in use as a utility crew vehicle it later came into wider use. Not sure if it was ever used for Sport in the 30's but it was certainly a utility vehicle.
I think that the Travelall first became available with four-wheel drive in about 1955. I base that guess on the fact that 1955 was the year that their R-series line of light trucks were first offered with four-wheel drive, and the Travelall was part of that series at the time. Travelalls continued to have the option of four-wheel drive for the remainder of their production. The Chevy Suburban was not available with four-wheel drive until 1960, though a small company was customizing them on the aftermarket with four-wheel drive beginning sometime in the 1950s (I don't know the exact year). However, aftermarket conversions to 4x4 don't really count, and if they did, the honor goes to the Ford Model A, since there was a company which was converting Model As to four-wheel drive way back in the 1930s.
Some of the video of Scouts driving off road have Victorian number plates and are right hand drive. Even passing a Holden on the left hand side of the highway. International also produced trucks in Australia, including for the Army which were used in Vietnam.
Chevrolet Suburban. 1935 model year in 1934. There is only one "first" SUV. The fact that others came along and added features to an existing idea doesn't change that.
Today's SUV's are used in the same way station wagons were used in their day. As you mentioned, it's the mom who drives to the food store or drives the children to their extracurricular activities. Most of these vehicles are never driven off-road. I venture to say a lot of SUV's are probably not very off-road capable. If I had the money, I'd buy the manufacturing rights of Jeep and produce the original MB, upgrade them to meet federal regulations with better materials, tech., and some optional amenities. I bet that I wouldn't be able to make them fast enough to meet the demand.
SUVs are short hatch station wagons cosplaying as a offroad ranch vehicle. Much of the car and consumer truck market is cosplay pretending to be: A race car A luxury car A mountain climber A drift car A euro sport But under the thin sheetmetal most are a Falcon or a Impala or a Gremlin.
@@STho205 In cities maybe, in the rural areas SUVs get you through the less maintained roads and winter months. Some SUVs are based on full sized trucks.
@@5stardave real SUVs. 90% of SUVs, especially CUVs, are 2WD cars with no real cargo area, summer tires and drivers that only go offroad when they accidentally back over a flower bed trying to park. I live on a mountaintop, on a rough gravel steep private road...and I have seen and hauled out many a SUV stuck in 2" snow because the tires are shite and the driver is clueless.
There are two very distinct SUV models. The useless ones are found on urban streets and the useful ones are found on rural roads. They look the same but are not used the same.
As a proud owner of a GMC Terrain, I wish i had a use for it's 4WD besides the soon-to-be uncommon snow storm. And with the lack of trails near me, its just kinda a tall hatch-back. With less MPG...
My dad was a big fan of scout especially the diesel version with the Chrysler nissan diesel engine we overhauled at least two of those in my lifetime i have a space in my ear reserved for the sound of those engines even 30 years later inspired by this after graduation (2000)the first car I bought (myself) was a 1977 international traveler that belonged to the gates oil company it had the 345v8 with a auto 4 speed, dual exhaust, 4wd, factory a/c, towbar, cc, clock, and awsome bench seats with plad interior, baby blue body with white top. I drove the dirt and the rust out of it never took it off road but it was just as fun on it I could make any repair to that especially as a teenager. What became of it is I joined the service and she sat eventually getting very rusty I ended up selling it to a collector whom got it running again and drives it today
You almost didn't get your diesel. The story was that Bill Kennedy, the head of the company back then, went out drinking with a group of dealers at the annual meeting. When Bill woke up the next morning he had a pounding headache and his underlings told him that he had committed the company to building a diesel Scout.
@@charlescolwell7927 odd little story, I was living in Honduras which is located in central America there they had a few of the scout 2's as government vehicles and they all had slant fours they where a light yellow with the Honduras flag covering the whole doors with black lettering saying: "GOBERNIO DE HONDURAS" (Honduran government) I don't know what became of those when I saw them they where not in great shape
You didn’t mention the mid to late 1970’s Scout with the Chrysler-Nissan inline six cylinder diesel. A friend had one ( I think 1977 model) that would get 32-35 mpg because of its high rear end ratio but no towing power. He changed the ring gears and pinion (front and rear of course) which made it much more useful with some sacrifice in fuel mileage. I don’t remember what ratio the new gears were. I have a 1971 Jeepster Commando 4x4 with the odd firing 225 Buick cast iron V6. Definitely bigger with more room than a CJ-5. Not sure how it compares to a CJ-6. Front bucket seats with removable rear bench seat and small cargo space behind. Seated four or five in a pinch. Best with the rear seat removed for hauling camping gear etc. It was available as a half cab pickup, station wagon (both changeable from one to the other) and a convertible top. It was also available with a 4 cylinder inline ohv or 327 V8. It would do anything a scout would do. AMC ruined it with the wide white grill trying to make it look more like a Blazer when they took over in 1972. Before that it was all Kaiser Jeep design with the front half that still looked like the M38 military jeep.
Our Scout got its wheels trapped in the rocks in a mine dump. The rod twisted like a pretzel but the engine would not stall. Good or bad, I don't know, but it was impressive. Terrible rust, though, and loud.
No, it is generally accepted that the first vehicle built to carry people & was 4X4 was the Chevy Suburban carry-all introduced in 1935. An SUV has to be a family vehicle. The IH Scout was built for sportsmen & farmers as was the Jeep before it as was the first gen Ford Bronco. The term SUV was invented by JEEP in 1984 and applied to their new segment creating Jeep Cherokee. !
Chevy did not produce a 4x4 Suburban until the mid 1950s and even then it was only available as NAPCO upfit kit. Jeep as a marketing name was used in the 1940s. "Jeep" was embossed on all 134 4 cylinder go devil engines used in Willys Overland and later Kaiser Willys models like the CJs, Trucks, and Wagon models.
It was called a Power Wagon in the 4x4 version, a name they shared with some of Dodge's other 4x4s of that time period. I think this was the rarest of all the "panel truck" styles that were available back then. Dodge's original Power Wagon was pickup truck, in a re-styled version of their basic small military truck from World War II which had been called a Weapons Carrier.
Yes, Dodge built a Suburban-style SUV. Meanwhile, Chevy built _the Suburban_ in 1933 for commercial use and then released it for the general populous in 1934 as a 1935 model. No SUV pre-dates the Suburban.
The Scout II was much better than the earlier Scouts. my father had a 1965 Scout with the slant four and a three speed transmission. and later he had a 1974 Scout II with a 345ci V8 and an automatic transmission. which by the way IH didn't have their own Automatic transmission. so they used a Chrysler 727 torque flite automatic transmission. being as IH was a tractor and Truck manufacturer? when it came to building the light duty vehicles they used other manufacturers components. Jeep also did the same thing. like the Jeep Wagoneers had several engine options. ranging from a Pontiac over head cam inline six cylinder. 350ci and 405ci Buick V8s. and AMC 360ci and 401ci V8s. it was cost effective for the manufacturers to do this. the Scout II had much stronger running gear than the older Scouts. IH also had the Travel All and pickup trucks. the Travel All was larger than the Scout. and was built-in on the pickup platform. oh yeah I had a 1974 IH 3/4 ton pickup. with a 304ci V8 and an automatic transmission. The toughest of these small 4x4s was the Ford Bronco. the original Bronco won more BAJA 1000 championships, than any other 4x4. and still holds that record.
The Scout was made at the Fort Wayne, Indiana plant and my Dad was transferred from the Springfield, Ohio plant to set up the assembly line design and for timing all the piece work jobs. I graduated from high school and spent the summer of 1961 actually working on a Scout sub-assembly line where I was responsible for spot welding the front fenders and the grill. My work schedule was from 3:30 PM to Midnight and I made up to $2.99 per hour. It was a tough job but gave me incentive to go on to college at Ohio State to eventually become an accountant and then work at various International Harvester locations for the next 17 years. I loved driving the Scout on business trips. Good memories.
Wow. I'm just thinking because you were working on the things I love the summer I was born.
I live in Fort Wayne and my Grandma worked as a secretary there and my Dad pulled the tickets to show each order options for what the scouts would get. The building and tower are still there.
I owned two scouts. A '68 800 and a '69 800A. They were both V-8's. The 800A was a three speed non-synchro first gear, and the 800 was a 4 speed with a rare overdrive unit. The downfall was that they were rust buckets. They were rusting away even out of the factory. If IH would have paid attention to corrosion resistance, they would have been on top of the 4WD heap. You could park them in your garage and sit there and listen to them rust away.
I eventually junked both. The main body mounts rotted away, and IH didn't offer replacement mounts. Shame. I loved those Scouts.
1946 Willys Wagon has the title of the original SUV if you require 4 wheel drive, if not, the 1935 Chevy Suburban does.
My first hot rod was a 1936 Chevy suburban😂
Those are metal bodied wagons, not SUVs
@@stupidvideos1449 what makes an SUV?
AKA Willys Utility Wagon. If the name is any indication, I'd say Willys had the binder beat by 14 years.
the 46 Willey's could be bought with a tent that attacked to the opened rear hatch .................. but who really cares, all those old vehicles are better than anything we have to choose from today ...........................
I’m a Scout fan; my brother still owns 2 different Scout IIs; however the Willys wagons; and the Jeepsters pre date the IHs by at least a decade.
it not only predated the International by a decade, it was a better built suv, it could be bought with a tent that attacked to the opened rear hatch .................. but who really cares, all those old vehicles are better than anything we have to choose from today ...........................
Out of the hundred cars I have owned, my ‘63 Scout was by far the most fun. Lay down the windshield, top off, doors off, it was a blast, and that little pickup bed carried everything we needed. The slant 4 had plenty of power, and was easier to use in rough terrain than a V-8. The distributor cap with 4 blanked off posts was engineering genius.
Had a '64 red/white and fully agree. Had some odd electrical problem which prevented me from driving more than 20 miles from home (never did figure that out) but was a blast within that area. Dragged trees out of the woods for firewood. Plowed the snow off my dirt driveway with a plywood plank plow. And just fun to go steep.
I remember when IH offered a diesel in the Scout. Dang I wanted it-- but was still too young to drive. :D
Wow..better a 4 cylinder engine. Because its easy on gas than a V8
@@ontogeny6474 Me too.. i wanted a Scout before.. but i was still a child yet at that time..
My dad owned 3 farms and bought one in 1963 so he used it to get around on the farms. What I remember most about it was that the windshield wipers were powered by air pressure, so that when you stopped at a stop light or anytime the engine was at idle, they would almost stop working and they sounded like the sucking machine at the dentist's office.
I miss the Scout. Back in the day I was always gone camping, fishing and hunting. I've had Jeeps (CJ5) and they were great but very small I've had a Chevy Blazer (Very disappointing) but the Scout II (304 V8) was just down right fantastic ! My needs changed (Marriage, kids etc.) building a house, I needed a pick up and still have today. Sad day when Scout left the scene. Great video !
It would be a welcome sight if VW came back with a new Scout, as long as it's not an EV.
right on...especially the part about it NOT being an EV...
I drove one for several years. One person called it my "urban assault vehicle".
The back seats were taken out so there was plenty of space to carry stuff....like band equipment.
In its' previous life it was a delivery vehicle!
I have a 64 Scout and a bunch of other vintage rigs that I love, but a new scout with an ICE would be a disaster. An all Aluminum, compound turbo engine with timing chains everywhere, MAF MAP IAT IAP sensors... No thank you. If it don't got timing gears a carburetor and a high Nickel block I'm not interested.
A torque monster super simple EV drivetrain would be awesome though.
Agreed, IF they came out with a new Scout, it wouldn't really be anything like a REAL Scout, the old ones we remember and love..it would probably be about as much like a real Scout as the new Chevy "Blazer" is like a real '69-'91 Blazer...I love Studebakers,and I always hear people saying"I wish they still made Studebakers"..and I say, Why?..if they did, they would just be an ugly crossover or sedan that would look just like a Kia, Hyundai, Ford, Chevy, or any of the other look-alikes...@@augsu
A new Scout EV is coming out@@dyer2cycle
I loved my 1960 Willys Station Wagon. A model that Willys started producing in 1947. The first real SUV
Agreed! The Jeep was the first SUV, everything else was second.
The movie It’s A Mad Mad Mad Mad World Terry Thomas was driving a Jeep Wagon in the desert while he was collecting cactus 🌵
@@s.e.bartels6667I thought the Chevy Suburban was the original SUV since it dates back to the 1930s.
Wrong, the Crosley SUV in 1947 was the first and also first use of the name.
@@CarswithNash They had to use SUV because the word Jeep was already taken :)
My dad owned two Scouts. A '71 800B and a '76 Traveller. Both were custom ordered right hand drive since my dad was a rural postal carrier and needed then to deliver mail in the hilltowns. I actually learned how to drive on the RHD Traveller when I was 16.
I have seen at least a hundred of these old Scouts (not anymore, of course), but right now I'm remembering a particular one. Back in aboiut 1976 - 1977 I knew a guy who had one of these older Scouts, and I thought it had a homemade, raised roof. It looked like a professional tinsmith had done an alteration to provide more headroom. All these years later, THERE IT IS, the yellow Scout in the magazine ad at 7:19 in this video! The roof of the Scout I remember was bare galvanized sheet metal, not painted white, but that's the exact roof that it had.
Grew up in a scout. As a baby I rode in a cardboard box on the floorboard. No seat belts. Learned to drive in it. Drove it all through highschool with the top off, windshield down, and a pair of ski goggles. Great at the drive in with a load of friends on the square, steel, "seat"/fenders in the back. No seat belt vehicles were grand-fathered for a time.
It was a late 65 80 series, dad always wished he'daybe waited for the bucket seats and " other half" of the engine to be available as the V8. IH aimed for something better than the jeep, and they scored big time.
It was in the family till around 90 something when dad got rear ended early in the morning. No one was hurt. He let it go for $500.
Great story brother. Thanks 🇺🇸
I always loved the Scout 80 --- nearly bought one once, but passed, because I was unsure about taking it to a crowded urban environment where I wouldn't have parking. Still, they have a utilitarian, pugnacious charm that I really like. Thanks for this video! I am curious to see the VW reboot, too!
A friend of mine had an Austin Champ 4x4(the British jeep). We would drive it off-road in the California mountains and deserts. It had some innovative features.
With the Rolls Royce engine?
What does that have to do with the Scout? That's what this video is about.
I learned to drive in a 68 Scout 800. I was 8 yrs old. We had it until the early 90s. It was a snow plowing beast. The wipers, heater and radio were challenges 😮. I miss that old boy. Was a hell of a machine
The new EV Scout will never compare to the original Scout in purity and simplicity
Love it! Your take at the end with VW owning the rights to the Scout and finding out it’s electric and swiftly dismissing it is truly awesome. As a fan of the internal combustion engine I applaud you sir!
My dad drove an international scout while Vietnam, 1966-1968.
He swore by it. I asked him about the ford bronco one time being we were a ford family (pickup and cars) and he said all the bronco’s were good for in Vietnam was leaving you stranded. They just wouldn’t go where the scouts would, and if they weren’t getting stuck, they were breaking down.
On the other hand, after his time in Vietnam was up, we went to Indonesia for three years and USAID ordered international travel alls for them to drive there, and they were junk piles when they came in so they all ended up with Toyotas similar to jeeps with hard tops. They were fantastic, go anywhere and everywhere although slowly. They weren’t speed demons, but they were tougher than woodpecker lips.
If I was rich, I would try to find one of them and restore it. I would paint it green with the very top being white, like that one was
I still have My 1968 Scout, it has the 266 V-8 and it's a Tank!
I had it registered as a SUV back in the 80's!
My most loved vehicle I ever owned was my 1978 Scout, 2 door, steel top, automatic with the 345cid V8. There was no shortage of fun & adventures plus there was always a long list of friends wanting to get to enjoy the good times too!🇺🇸 My MoM had a 74 Travelall 4-dr, 2wd with the 304cid V8 when I was a preteen, lots a traveling with lots of room meant lots of fun!🇺🇸
I was 21 in 1984 Had a Scout II ,sleeping bag, cooler, couple pillows. Loved that SCOUT.
I love my scout II! it has been in the family since the late 70s. Over 200,000 miles on the original 345 V8. Only bad thing about it was if you just mentioned the word “moisture” around it ,it just started rotting away.
My dad had a Scout growing up. Going to the dunes to offroad, having the top off down the highway, it was great.
That little 152CI four banger was a beast of an engine....Nothing stopped it.
I had a 66 Scout with the 152 and it couldn't be stopped.
Many trips up river with it and blasting through the wicked Erie, PA winters was always a hoot.
A number of high school buddies would call me in the winter time for a tow from a ditch or deep snow somewhere.
I'd love to have another Scout now but I can't afford the prices they are commanding.
Friend in college had one. Always wanted a Scout. Thank you for sharing. Have a blessed day.
I had a 62 scout for my first truck. It was gutless with a 4 cylinder and broke down a lot. It helped me learn how to work on cars,
In the mid 70’s we had a 1972-‘73 International Travelall. Amazing SUV. Didn’t really need 4-wheel drive in the winter as ours did not have it and did fine without it.
Sounds like you got a pavement princess 😅 4 wheel drive where I roll ….
Unless you like digging sand😂
@@greatdaneacdc Well, it was what it was . I make no apology for it, was my Dad’s vehicle anyway. I’ve had a Jeep Cherokee, Ford F-150 pickup and police special Chevy Tahoe-all of them 4WD and loved them. I would just as soon have 4-wheel drive but our eastern Pennsylvania winters have not had much snow in the last couple years. The Tahoe I have now does not have it because they were dumping police specials at 9100 miles-both Tahoes were bought at exactly 9100 miles. The first one (4WD) was totaled when a drug addict being chased by the cops came out of a side street and I hit him broad side.
@@greatdaneacdc Through the ages, lots of people have done lots of hard work off-road using two-wheel drive trucks. As an example, my dad hauled countless tons of firewood out of farm woodlots with a 1969 Ford van. That van had more ground clearance than the vast majority of modern 4x4s and the approach and departure angles were a lot better, so it's ability over rough terrain was absolutely excellent. And it could turn a much tighter radius than any modern large vehicle. Plus, with much lower floor height than a pickup, loading wood was far easier. If conditions were wet, he used tire chains. Lack of 4x4 doesn't mean being helpless off road.
My parents always talked fondly of riding in their friend's Scout when they visited him out in Utah. The Toyota Land Cruiser and Nissan Patrol from that time period were awesome too.
My son's step son now has his grandfather's 70s diesel Scout with a removable hardtop. It is a cutie.
Now with it being electric, the U in SUV can stand for useless. Anyway I think it's so cool that the biggest segments in the market today, SUV's and crossovers, were invented by small players in the market--International Harvester and AMC, respectively (AMC with the Eagle).
Any electric vehicle is more or less useless... Emphasis on more
Is now under Volks Wagen
@@kirdot2011Eh, many are getting over 300 miles of range now. This isn't great for off roading but it's perfectly fine for commuting.
Tell me you've never driven an EV, without telling me you've never driven an EV.
Okay. Sport Useless Vehicle...😆
This is only the 3rd video I've seen from this channel and it is already better than 90% of the others out there! No politics or agenda, a video just about cars.
The Willy's wagon was long before the Scout. First offered 1946
Yep, he is Scout fanboy. Gen 1 Scouts ride awful, noisy, vacuum wipers were a joke.
Suburban. 1934 as a 1935.
Well, in all fairness, the Willys's vacuum wipers with their Rube Goldberg pulleys weren't anything to brag about...
Keep making videos like this. I love this kind of content. You do a great job at it.
What a great story. My ‘68 Scout 800 was my first ride. That I was able to ‘go off road in’ was only topped by how much ‘gearhead’ work I had to do! Some joked that I needed a pilot’s license for the airtime - but I didn’t care. The Dana drive was awesome and plowing snow helped put me through college! BTW - profs to the MG comment when describing early history - That profile picture was taken with my B refurb and 100% agree on the ‘race engines’ in the old LBCs!
Such a beautiful video buddy, Thanks for sharing knowledge and passion with people like yourself.
i think you have a misunderstanding of what an suv even is. the sport in suv isn't offroad ability that falls in the utility category. the sport was performance and comfort, it was a sporty comfortable vehicle that could rival a car but still had the utility to go offroad, carry gear and do work
I miss International Harvester, set many standards. I wanted a Scout in high school. However, I could find it’s twin for parts.
i had more adventures in my 65 scout than you can imagine. never left me stranded or got stuck
In the late 40's Jeep sold the Overland wagon. In my opinion the first SUV not the Bronco or Scout that came much later.
I may be misremembering, but I don't recall ever hearing the term "SUV" at any point prior to the early 90s. I grew up rural. My best friend in high school had a 2nd gen, and then later, a 3rd gen Bronco (locking wheel caps! his second had a working winch!). Other friends or their families had blazers or jeeps. We called them 4WDs or by their brand name. I don't recall connecting them mentally with the gigantic Suburban.
"SUV" is like "Crossover", basically just a marketing buzzword having no real definition, and no relation to any specific type of vehicle. People splatter the terms onto a wide variety of quite different vehicles.
At the Auburn,Cord Duesenberg museum in Auburn, Indiana they have a Scout prototype made with a composite body. Auburn is 30 miles north of Fort Wayne where they built all the Scouts.
Best 12$ I’ve ever spent
When I was a child in the 1970s my family used a Scout and a Jeep CJ to deer hunt. I still have the Jeep…..
You omitted any mention of the Willys Overland, introduced in 1946, only showed a brief image of one.
Other than the versatile roof system, the WO ticked every box the Scout did and evolved to be Wagoneer and Cherokee.
Yes, the Willys Overland proceeds this as SUV.
Willys Overland was the company name, Willys Wagon is the vehicle you're probably speaking of.
@@johnh3476 _Precedes._
@@5stardave It was marketed as the Overland. Make: Willys, model: Overland.
@@-oiiio-3993 lol yes indeed
I love you.
I owned a 79 scout traveler. I bought it used for $200.00. I loved that car and wish I had kept it. It was my weekend war wagon! At the time I was a working musician and that truck could haul P.A., Gear and Instruments to any gig and parked behind the stage made a perfect place to camp/sleep in.
When I heard Volkswagen was going to bring scout back I was sooooooo excited, until I saw they were electric. NOOOOOO!!!!
I have Blazers now, an 02 and 03 and they are falling apart. I can't find a new "SUV" to buy that isn't some over-glorified, middle aged, soccer mom, cross over with 1000 options that I don't need. And, WHERE'S THE TAILGATE??? I can't stand hatchbacks, everything falls out as the hatch hits you in the chin. I'm so angry.
I want to open my own car company and make practical affordable cars that everyone can afford....(seems I've heard that somewhere before...) I would probably make the whole s10 line-up, Truck, Blazer, ASTRO Van. These vehicles did the WORK. I don't need a 5000.00 entertainment system in the back seat of the car for my child to be occupied for the 10 minute ride to school and back. I need a car that hauls gear, can leave the road, can be slept in, hauls a trailer, isn't ruined by pet hair, can survive spills and water where it's not supposed to go, doesn't slide on ice and eats through snow. Where is THAT car?
Sorry about my rant. Thanks for doing this video. I just found your channel and I'm going to watch all your videos now.
Nice footage of the scout overtaking on Australian roads. Unfortunately the tough conditions here soon shook them to pieces and were replaced by Land Rovers and LandCruisers....
I learned to drive with a 1959 IH Scout. It was a pure utility vehicle. Direct sales competitors at that time were the Toyota Land Cruiser and the British Land Rover. Here in Michigan at that time it was known as being a utility vehicle most often owned by Gasoline Service Stations and others who the owner would use for a Snow Plowing business as a sideline. The little 4-cyl. engine offered enough torque to do what was asked of it. a bare bones machine design that said all work. Later, it seems the Ford Bronco took over that part of the market. A great video!
It went into production in '61. It was still in pre-production design in '59.
I was told at the time that it was a '59 Scout, I was 13 years old when I learned to drive - on private land. @@jamesrodriquez2863
I owned a 1978 Corn Binder with the 345 V8. IH was waay before its time. Had they hung in there and adapt with the SUV evolution, the Scout could have saved the company I believe. Ironically, the design of todays SUVs (Broncos, LR Defender, etc.) is trending that way.
I think you are right.
Great video! You got a new subscriber here after watching it. You really got my hopes up about IH Scouts coming back then...BooM... I got that stomach wretching feeling when I heard those horrible, unsustainable words, as an EV! I will never own an EV, even an IH‼️
VW!
Thanks for the video. I had a 1972 Scout with the 345 and limited slip 4:27 ratio axles. In low lock 4wd it seemed as though that truck could pull a house. It would be really nice if the new Scout company would build a version with out all the bells and whistles of modern SUVs. A stripped down version; rugged and reliable. Basically, I want a 67 Scout 800 in a modern truck that doesn't cost 60,000 dollars. That's a pipe dream. I will definitely consider an EV Scout. Hope it doesn't cost too much.
Sure miss my 1961 Scout. I bet my dad is having a grand time driving it in Heaven!
If you think the Scout was comfortable you obviously never driven or ridden in one. I bought a '63 Scout back in 1975 as my first 4x4. The thing rode like a tank and rattled your teeth out over bumps. I loved it though and would like to have another one now but they have gone crazy in pricing.
Yea I’ll agree. The original rattled your teeth. The 1970s Scout Two with the V8 and Chrysler automatic trannies were very nice by comparison. All it took was replace the stock shocks with Gas Gabriel’s and upgraded the shackles to Advance Adapters units and good set of Wrangler radials and a steering stabilizer install and finally the thing rode like a nice car. Been there, done that. I loved my Scout after we did the tweaks.
The Scout never got the attention from IH that it needed. Seems like it was unfinished in stock form. IH spent money on fancy stripes and plaid interiors but it was always needing a little extra work from a caring owner to be the legend that is talked about today.
This is one of only two vehicles that I truly wish to own.
Excellent synopsis. Lots of lore to cover in the Scout world. Great footage from the old ads, fun to see. It might have survived much longer in the IH lineup if not for their reputation for rusting in the showroom.
We had a Travelall. Great vehicle, except for the rust! Toward the end, IH came out with some type of rust warranty. I don't remember how long it was. Not long after that, they quit making consumer vehicles.
It's too bad that the car companies think they have to make every vehicle into a luxury car. I'd like to have a basic, spartan, go-anywhere vehicle without all the bells and whistles, something like the Dodge Power Wagon of the 1950's.
Unlike the Fords and GM products of the day !
@@JoelHackerI think they got a contract form Zebart rust proofing company, not sure but yet I am lol.
@@palco22 Right! There was a particular time period, I'd say late 70s, when the doors of Chevy trucks would sometimes rust right up to the windows in less than three years. Internationals were not unique in having rust problems.
I had an old 1963 Scout way back in the 1970s. It was fantastic off road. I mean, really, really good.
A simple, no frills car like the Scout would be my dream car of today.
It was the Willys Wagon. Btw I was a Scout owner for over 20 years and when I mention the Willy's people always go "oh ya"
Chevy Suburban. 1935 model year.
I have a 2004 Suzuki Jimny (think Suzuki Samurai). I think the I4 engine makes 80hp. But it is short and cute and never fails to put a giant grin on my face. The Jimny is at my home in Italy. Stateside I drive a Chevy Express van. I cannot wait until I’m behind the wheel of the Jimny again. Only about 2 weeks to go. It’s also wonderful to raise the hood and be able to easily see the entire engine, fender wells, firewall, etc. There are some computers and fuel injection, but it’s still DIY serviceable.
I have a 61 scout with a 3 digit serial number. Love it..
I learned to drive in a ‘73 scout. 444 4 barrel. Only design flaw was the distributor cap frequently cracked, water intrusion, stalling. Otherwise a great vehicle.
The first SUV wasn’t the Ford Bronco, it was the Willys Wagon. The IH Scout came along 10 years later, and faded from the scene rather quickly.
The first Chevy Suburban came out in 1935. It is the first SUV and the longest continuously running nameplate in history.
@@TheCharleseye no the willys jeep should be the first. The chevy being introduced first isn't enough. It only became an SUV when it got 4x4.
@@dumkopf If the definition of SUV was "has 4x4" then most SUVs wouldn't be. It's too bad no governing body agrees with you.
Also, given that the Suburban was the first SUV, its characteristics at the time would be the first characteristics that define what an SUV is. It did not have 4x4, therefore that cannot have been a defining characteristic. Oops.
nope.
the willys wagon was not an SUV.
it was a UV ... but no S involved.
Quickly? You mean 20 years later?
I thought about mentioning the Jeep Station wagon or the Chevrolet Suburban and how they pre-date the IH Scout but many people have already pointed out the errors in this video.
The Chevy Suburban didn't have the option of four-wheel drive until 1960. 4x4 models that were available in the 1950s were the result of customization by an aftermarket company, and if you want to go down that road, the Ford Model A was available with 4x4 as an aftermarket conversion long before any other vehicle mentioned in the comments so far (I don't know the exact year for Ford, but I've seen a couple of preserved examples with 4x4 which I think were from the early 1930s).
@ericl2969 1957 was the first year 4WD was available as a factory option on the Suburban. Regardless, that's just goalpost shifting. The Suburban was the first SUV. It came out in 1933 commercially, and 1934 publicly. It didn't have 4WD because virtually nothing did at the time.
You do know that having the first capacitive touchscreen (as opposed to resistive) didn't make the iPhone the first smartphone, right? Adding features to an existing type of product doesn't make you first. The Willys Jeep and the Scout are awesome vrhicles. They're just neither of them the first SUV.
The fact is the scout became the Traveler Station Wagon. Usually the travelers were only used off-road, when the driver had too much to drink and fell asleep.
If you see the Suzuki Jimny still follows this concept of SUV like the International . It’s small , rugged , performs pretty decent on the off-road .It is only 105 bhp but does the job job.
We had a 1966 Scout and it would go anywhere that you pointed it. It had Dana 44’s and a locker in the rear. Ours had the 4 speed with a non synchronized 1st gear which was a major improvement over the 3 speed. The real negative is that they were rust magnets
It probably had a limited slip. A locker was never offered as an option
Love it ! got a Red Carpet edition long waiting to get back on the front burner and eventually back on the road.
Great video!! I own a 1969 Scout 800, the third IHC Scout I have owned. I love them!!!
Bart: International Travelall was an interesting vehicle that deserves an episode. Ansel Adams had a few over the years, and had custom aluminum platforms installed on top for photography. His famous "Moonrise over Hernandez" photo was taken from the top of an IH Travelall.
Also, you could go into IH history some: where were the Travelalls & Scouts built?
the willys wagon was the first SUV.
Introduced in 1946 2 yrs before the scout was conceived.
I have ridden in both stock rigs. I prefer the willys, but the scout went on for longer.
I drive a 2 door 94 XJ cherokee very much like the scout but newer and more powerful
Better creature comforts too( softer seats than my buddys 1980 scout II )
The ability to remove the top made the scout cool.
I appreciate your perspective and your research. It’s no easy task to cover decades of development in a field of special interest without generating one resounding clank after another as errors or misinterpretations pile up. Aside from kudos for that job well done, it would be interesting to know how you source all that video from TH-cam and elsewhere. Are clearances from each rights owner needed?
My dads first car was a scout two single cab pickup, it was a diesel, but he blew up that motor then put either a 318 or a 350 in there and put dual four barrel webbers in it.. I wish he didn’t let the thing rot into the ground. He said it once backfired so hard it set off car alarms
The Scout and Bronco were refreshingly primitive in the over-styled 60's and 70's. Both about the same off-road, with the tires making the biggest difference, tested on the Capt. Cook Monument Road in Kona, HI.I imagine the Willys" Wagon was in the same league, but with an extra cool factor, with gauges apparently from a steam engine. Toyota Land Cruisers were getting popular. Land Rovers and Dodge Power Wagons were in the mix in the 1970's.
I'm happy to see you expanding into the 4-wheeled world Bart :)
Thanks! Sometimes motorcycle people can be a bit tribal so its good to see there are fans of both
RHD versions sold reasonably well here in Australia up until 1979 i think. Used to see them around in the 70s
I drove jeeps and international scout during that Era,no fancy power windows,no luxuries ! You didn't need it! You needed reliable transportation was the main objective!
I have and drive a 68. Daily with another car. But I love driving this.
Just got reminded of this video from the Scout by VW relaunch.
In the mid 1970's, my school metal workshop did a total rebuild of an International Scout 4x4. It was done by the senior students with the understanding it would remain school property. (It was a private Catholic school) This unit was employed for exploration trips during school camps. Was great because of its 4x4 capability and could take up to 6 students on overland runs. I lived in Darwin, Australia at that time and saw a lot of wild country from that little pickup truck.
Wow." I like that. I have a dream of trying to remake the body of the International Scout 11 and installing it on any compact or midsize pickup truck chasis or body frame.." using non corrosive sheet metal.."
That's Lawrence Welk and the Lennon Sisters at 9:22 to 9:35.
In the photo to the left, I'm telling Craig Morgan, the guy with the "International Harvester" song, that I own the Last Scout that was built by "International Harvester"!
I owned 2 of the Scout 80. Served me well.
Up to 1988 our family had multiple scouts used as snow plowers for our driveway, like one per 2 yrs since they rusted so fast 😂
Hilariously, the Swiss automaker Monteverdi converted these into luxury models, called the Safari. You could even get a Chrysler 440 in one.
The term " Sport Utility " was already used post WW II by Small Car maker CROSLEY - of Crosley Radio and Refrigerators Fame ! - - Oh - and the OG Range Rover was just Honda CRV Size !!
Sorry, the Scout wasn't the first "SUV" either. The concept of a large capacity enclosed body vehicle with 4x4 off road capability was the 1946 Willys Wagon. Also two door all metal body but a bit larger than the Scout or Bronco. By the time the Scout rolled off the assembly line the Willys Wagon had been on the road for 15 years and it had much more room. It gave way to the Jeep Wagoneer in 1965 which offered more comfort.
The Scout was even preceded by it's IH cousin the Travelall which had 8 years on it. I don't believe the Travelall had a 4 wheel drive option.
Of course all of these vehicles were preceded by the Chevrolet Suburban which was first offered in 1935 and also has the honor of the longest model name of any American vehicle. Initially in use as a utility crew vehicle it later came into wider use. Not sure if it was ever used for Sport in the 30's but it was certainly a utility vehicle.
I think that the Travelall first became available with four-wheel drive in about 1955. I base that guess on the fact that 1955 was the year that their R-series line of light trucks were first offered with four-wheel drive, and the Travelall was part of that series at the time. Travelalls continued to have the option of four-wheel drive for the remainder of their production.
The Chevy Suburban was not available with four-wheel drive until 1960, though a small company was customizing them on the aftermarket with four-wheel drive beginning sometime in the 1950s (I don't know the exact year). However, aftermarket conversions to 4x4 don't really count, and if they did, the honor goes to the Ford Model A, since there was a company which was converting Model As to four-wheel drive way back in the 1930s.
The Scout was one of the best true 4x4s ever. The first 4 cylinder ones were underpowered imo but since they were meant for off-road no big deal
It was called a WILLYS…. In the 40s
Some of the video of Scouts driving off road have Victorian number plates and are right hand drive. Even passing a Holden on the left hand side of the highway. International also produced trucks in Australia, including for the Army which were used in Vietnam.
Scout was not the first suv.. the Willys overland Wagon Was.. in 1946. Nearly 20 years before this thing.
And the Wagoneer in 63 took its place
Chevrolet Suburban. 1935 model year in 1934. There is only one "first" SUV. The fact that others came along and added features to an existing idea doesn't change that.
One of the big problem with the Scout 2 was it rusted BAD
The term “sport utility vehicle” was first used in 1947 by Crosley who made the first SUV.🤦♂️
Today's SUV's are used in the same way station wagons were used in their day. As you mentioned, it's the mom who drives to the food store or drives the children to their extracurricular activities. Most of these vehicles are never driven off-road. I venture to say a lot of SUV's are probably not very off-road capable. If I had the money, I'd buy the manufacturing rights of Jeep and produce the original MB, upgrade them to meet federal regulations with better materials, tech., and some optional amenities. I bet that I wouldn't be able to make them fast enough to meet the demand.
SUVs are short hatch station wagons cosplaying as a offroad ranch vehicle.
Much of the car and consumer truck market is cosplay pretending to be:
A race car
A luxury car
A mountain climber
A drift car
A euro sport
But under the thin sheetmetal most are a Falcon or a Impala or a Gremlin.
@@STho205 Right you are!
@@STho205 In cities maybe, in the rural areas SUVs get you through the less maintained roads and winter months. Some SUVs are based on full sized trucks.
@@5stardave real SUVs. 90% of SUVs, especially CUVs, are 2WD cars with no real cargo area, summer tires and drivers that only go offroad when they accidentally back over a flower bed trying to park.
I live on a mountaintop, on a rough gravel steep private road...and I have seen and hauled out many a SUV stuck in 2" snow because the tires are shite and the driver is clueless.
There are two very distinct SUV models. The useless ones are found on urban streets and the useful ones are found on rural roads. They look the same but are not used the same.
As a proud owner of a GMC Terrain, I wish i had a use for it's 4WD besides the soon-to-be uncommon snow storm.
And with the lack of trails near me, its just kinda a tall hatch-back. With less MPG...
My dad was a big fan of scout especially the diesel version with the Chrysler nissan diesel engine we overhauled at least two of those in my lifetime i have a space in my ear reserved for the sound of those engines even 30 years later inspired by this after graduation (2000)the first car I bought (myself) was a 1977 international traveler that belonged to the gates oil company it had the 345v8 with a auto 4 speed, dual exhaust, 4wd, factory a/c, towbar, cc, clock, and awsome bench seats with plad interior, baby blue body with white top. I drove the dirt and the rust out of it never took it off road but it was just as fun on it I could make any repair to that especially as a teenager.
What became of it is I joined the service and she sat eventually getting very rusty I ended up selling it to a collector whom got it running again and drives it today
You almost didn't get your diesel. The story was that Bill Kennedy, the head of the company back then, went out drinking with a group of dealers at the annual meeting. When Bill woke up the next morning he had a pounding headache and his underlings told him that he had committed the company to building a diesel Scout.
@@charlescolwell7927 odd little story, I was living in Honduras which is located in central America there they had a few of the scout 2's as government vehicles and they all had slant fours they where a light yellow with the Honduras flag covering the whole doors with black lettering saying: "GOBERNIO DE HONDURAS" (Honduran government) I don't know what became of those when I saw them they where not in great shape
You didn’t mention the mid to late 1970’s Scout with the Chrysler-Nissan inline six cylinder diesel. A friend had one ( I think 1977 model) that would get 32-35 mpg because of its high rear end ratio but no towing power. He changed the ring gears and pinion (front and rear of course) which made it much more useful with some sacrifice in fuel mileage. I don’t remember what ratio the new gears were.
I have a 1971 Jeepster Commando 4x4 with the odd firing 225 Buick cast iron V6. Definitely bigger with more room than a CJ-5. Not sure how it compares to a CJ-6. Front bucket seats with removable rear bench seat and small cargo space behind. Seated four or five in a pinch. Best with the rear seat removed for hauling camping gear etc. It was available as a half cab pickup, station wagon (both changeable from one to the other) and a convertible top. It was also available with a 4 cylinder inline ohv or 327 V8. It would do anything a scout would do. AMC ruined it with the wide white grill trying to make it look more like a Blazer when they took over in 1972. Before that it was all Kaiser Jeep design with the front half that still looked like the M38 military jeep.
Of course Willys wagon was the original but I never noticed how much these look like Broncos or how much Broncos look like these
Nice video. I don't get the emphasis on the Bronco like it was late to the party. Bronco debuted in 66 Blazer in 69.
Our Scout got its wheels trapped in the rocks in a mine dump. The rod twisted like a pretzel but the engine would not stall. Good or bad, I don't know, but it was impressive.
Terrible rust, though, and loud.
No, it is generally accepted that the first vehicle built to carry people & was 4X4
was the Chevy Suburban carry-all introduced in 1935. An SUV has to be a family
vehicle. The IH Scout was built for sportsmen & farmers as was the Jeep before
it as was the first gen Ford Bronco. The term SUV was invented by JEEP in 1984
and applied to their new segment creating Jeep Cherokee.
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Carry-all was a model of the Dodge Power Wagon that came out in the 40's.
Chevy did not produce a 4x4 Suburban until the mid 1950s and even then it was only available as NAPCO upfit kit. Jeep as a marketing name was used in the 1940s. "Jeep" was embossed on all 134 4 cylinder go devil engines used in Willys Overland and later Kaiser Willys models like the CJs, Trucks, and Wagon models.
Your comment is full of errors 😂
The Willys Wagon preceded the scout by some years. Also, I believe Dodge built a Suburban style 4x4. Can’t recall what it was called. Town Wagon?
It was called a Power Wagon in the 4x4 version, a name they shared with some of Dodge's other 4x4s of that time period. I think this was the rarest of all the "panel truck" styles that were available back then. Dodge's original Power Wagon was pickup truck, in a re-styled version of their basic small military truck from World War II which had been called a Weapons Carrier.
Yes, Dodge built a Suburban-style SUV. Meanwhile, Chevy built _the Suburban_ in 1933 for commercial use and then released it for the general populous in 1934 as a 1935 model. No SUV pre-dates the Suburban.
You mentioned chevy suburban as a suv the suburban goes back at least to 1936 carryall suburban
I liked the Australian "Scout" overtaking the ek Holden at 5.48.
The Scout II was much better than the earlier Scouts. my father had a 1965 Scout with the slant four and a three speed transmission. and later he had a 1974 Scout II with a 345ci V8 and an automatic transmission. which by the way IH didn't have their own Automatic transmission. so they used a Chrysler 727 torque flite automatic transmission. being as IH was a tractor and Truck manufacturer? when it came to building the light duty vehicles they used other manufacturers components. Jeep also did the same thing. like the Jeep Wagoneers had several engine options. ranging from a Pontiac over head cam inline six cylinder. 350ci and 405ci Buick V8s. and AMC 360ci and 401ci V8s. it was cost effective for the manufacturers to do this. the Scout II had much stronger running gear than the older Scouts. IH also had the Travel All and pickup trucks. the Travel All was larger than the Scout. and was built-in on the pickup platform. oh yeah I had a 1974 IH 3/4 ton pickup. with a 304ci V8 and an automatic transmission.
The toughest of these small 4x4s was the Ford Bronco. the original Bronco won more BAJA 1000 championships, than any other 4x4. and still holds that record.