Here's Why The 600LT was McLaren's Biggest Mistake and The Simple Reason They Didn't Sell Out
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- The McLaren 600LT is brilliant, isn't it? Everyone says so. Why then, are there thirty of them currently for sale in the UK. New ones are still in stock at huge discount, so what went wrong for this award winning car?
#McLaren #Mistake #600LT
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Actually love the 600LT!
Apologies I quoted 650 LT on another comment it’s a 675 LT 😂
You can get a 540c for mid to high 70’s
Just make sure it’s got a warranty you will need it! I honestly hand on heart would have a 600 LT over a GT3 RS
great video. Do you happen to know how many left-hand drive cars they've made in the spider and coupe?
I think they all look too similar. LT? I couldn't tell you if it was or wasn't an LT. Is the LT some sort of sticker pack, couldn't tell you if it was a 675MP4321C either. Is it a P1, no, is it an F1, no? Meh, I can't tell the difference AND I don't even care. Not saying this to insult the car, I'm pointing out how anticlimactic the lower end cars are. It's not snobbery for the top most expensive model either. I love a 458 and up, a Huracan, a GTC4 Lusso, etc.. The designs are too soft, the interiors remind of a Tesla. I think they all need more quirks and gimmicks. Something to make them stand out from each other and the rest of the pack. More angry look too.
At the risk of sounding stupid, what is a geo? 9:52
@@larssonk22 Geometry - the alignment of the wheels
I’ve owned a 570 GT with no mechanical problems . Bought it new in 2017 and put 8 thousand miles on it . It’s very dependable. Service is expensive but it’s a super car so it’s not a surprise . I’m in love with it every time I drive it still !
Always wondered what servicing a Mclaren really costs compared to a Lotus. Running a Lotus for 15.000KM a year would cost me approx. €650-800 how about Mclaren servicing?
An u daily drive it?
I have heard that in the states the avg yearly maintenance costs of a 720s total around $1700--going by the service intervals in the book and before any major components need replacing.
Calling this Long Tail is quite a stretch, no pun intended
it don't sellout because it had no producing limited.... still long waiting list....
nah... it's just some letters attached to a car that's supposed to mean something speical..... like AMG 63s.... none of those engines are 6300cc
McLaren make incredible cars but they are really rushing the brand building. I know they have aggressive investors but you can’t manufacture heritage in a lab. Slow down McLaren
They're building share price not history or cars to a degree.
Agree. Most super car manufacturers tend to have a 4-8 year product cycle, before a new model is introduced. In little under 10 years McLaren have had so many models and variants. The gap between the 12c and 720s is relatively short, compared to say the Gallardo and Huricane. Need time to let the cars appreciate. I'm guessing they approach road cars the same way they approach F1 production: if the technology has improved or advanced they will immediately introduce it into their cars.
Exactly McL issue and why they will not succeed in this segment in the long term! Customers come but many of them go again very quickly after experiencing the depreciation drama. I know a few!
@@adnaanu mate, it's Huracan, not Huricane... And they literally made DOZENS of different cars on the Gallardo platform, so I'd argue it isn't quite as clear cut as you've described it.
The last good Mclaren is the MP4-12C.
I don't think people are buying them the same reason I haven't bought the 720S I want so bad... because they have heard so many horror stories regarding reliability, QC, and scared to death of potential massive deprecation!
then they release 620r which is a limited prod version of a 570 gt track car.. which is kinda confusing.. considering that 600lt was the so called track version of the 570 iteration also I feel bad for the owners of the special msoX that are commissioned 570gt..
I hope Mclaren would slow down on the releases of their super/sports series and focus more on built quality at this stage of their business growth..
Yeah. There are 10 720's for sale on Cars.com in the US for
Also, you have a "fault" at 50mph, you......are....toast. Seriously, why are people giving these folk a pass?
I considered buying a 720S and decided against it for the same reasons.
I have a 720S performance coupe. I’ve put about 4800 miles on it trouble free with no weird trips required to the dealer. Reliability is on par with every other Exoctic car I’ve had or currently have in the garage. Customer service is hit or miss depending on the dealership. The Mclaren Charlotte guys are top notch! Depreciation...well it sucks. My advice is don’t buy them new, let someone else take the initial depreciation hit. That said, I don’t see the point of spending this type of money for an Exoctic car that sits in the garage. It’s an over priced toy that’s going to lose value over time, might as well enjoy it. Unless it’s a limited edition car, they all, regardless of brand, are going to depreciate. If you’re buying these cars for an investment or some financial gain, would suggest you reconsider your personal wealth strategy. Value is ultimately subjective, the value for me is the enjoyment I get out of it.
The fact that he’s called James Dean is cooler than owning a McLaren.....
He should be owning a Porsche 718 instead.
Meh I'd rather own the lowest end, used, McLaren
I bought mine in 2020. Spyder, and love it. Don’t care if prices tank or not. I bought to enjoy. Most TH-camrs aren’t car people but rather car reviewers….. love mine at 23,000 miles now
Do you advise buying a used one now? I also intend to buy it more for enjoyment.
@@Nanomachines5on if you can do so. Amazing car. So much fun driving it.
I had/have an Turbo S, GT3 RS and the 600LT spyder.
The most fun car i ever driven is the 600lt spyder.
But ONLY the spyder, because you can put the back window down. The sound experience is on whole other lever than in the coupe.
If you buy the 600lt = only the spyder!!!
That shirt, got to be an MSO special.
Certainly wears that for a bet (Top Gear inside joke ;-) )
And those arms and belly must have been MSO wide body kit.
JayEmm on Cars: People know Mclaren will build too many 600lt's, and that depreciation will be a problem.
Mclaren: we released a new slightly faster than the 600lt, the 620R now.
Every Mclaren owner: I just lost some more money.
The 620R is literally a road legal GT4 car. Literally. It's different from a 600LT. Will agree on the fact that depreciation is a problem on regular mclarens. I love McLaren tho, especially the advancement in technologies and track capabilities that is Ultimate Series
@@Omar-te1pp It's not a road legal GT4 car. The GT4 car has only around 400-450hp, weighing at 1500kg, much heavier and less power than the road car. You can't seriously be thinking that Mclaren didn't purposely boost the power and performance just enough to go higher than the 600lt, but not enough to scare the 720s. For god sakes, they made a 650s 6 years ago. They can easily pump 650hp from that engine. The only factor this car has over the other road cars, is it's readily able to fit slick tires for track use. The other road mclarens don't allow you to, (if you want your warranty still).
Am I the only one noticing an awful panel gap misalignment on the left door?
It's a mclaren. It's a feature.
thats called handbuild english
If you watch his other video about his two friends buying a pair of McLarens they made them sign a form stating that misalignments are expected because it's a hand build car and claiming it's normal and telling them not to complain about it.
Well that shirt is just tremendous
I had to wait 6 months for my VW Up Gti yet you can get a limited edition McLaren supercar within 3 months!
They're not selling because they are utterly unreliable and something new fails or breaks every time the owner so much as blinks
Even worse than Ferrari.
Ronald Thompson Ferrari isn't bad tho
Jonathan O.P my test drive the car shut down 2 blocks away, it was blistering fast the 2nd car, the depreciation is just stupid, i got kids to feed/educate
@@michaelj.kastner5165 sorry for your loss! xD they are gorgeous to look at though!
From what ive hears from past owners this is very true.
Most underated cars of 2019
Lamborghini performante, 600lt,gt3 rs.
Ferrari may be considered the douche bag of the car manufacturing world but they know how to give everyone one of there cars the spotlight
So, you're advocating for artificial scarcity? I much preferred it when cars earned their collectible status over time, having proved their worth.
No I am advocating transparency- if it's going to be limited numbers just say
4:12 FINALLY! Someone who does good car reviews who is as unimpressed with Alcantara as I am!!!
Alcantara is nothing more than a cheap and glorified material. Leather every day of the week for me.
"You aint seen me right" utter genius
"This week I shall be mostly watching JayEmm On Cars"
Oh wow! How did McLaren know what shade of green my grandmother’s kitchen was? Amazing!
Ok you got me...the fire out the trunk exit exhaust is insane ...
The great thing about such a grey interior is that it really lets your shirt Pop! :-)
Another fantastic video Jay...I now need to check my lottery ticket for some 600LT funds!
great review, solid 4 stars up to 11:15 where it turns into indefectible JayEmm 5 star analysis, McLaren if your watching make notes.
You're giving me my daily dosis of british motoring journalism I've been missing out on since Clarkson, May and Hammond left Top Gear... I've been watching your channel for a few months now and finally subscribed... really enjoy your videos!
Thankyou. Two more videos to come this week and I hope you enjoy!
It's so sad that most people make their purchase decision based on investment and/or resale potential...
Too many people buying things they can’t really afford! These cars used to be for the 10m and up brigade and now people with literally no money but a decent wage are driving around in them.
I'm guessing that if you're in it for the long term, in 10+ years time the price of these cars will be astronomical*.
*As I said...I'm GUESSING, so not about to pop out and trade in my current exciting, fast, impractical car for one of these!
Your blaming the sales on a lack of transparency in manufacturing numbers but it’s just that sales of sports cars have tanked, same for cars in general... the only up is SUV’s.
Mclaren sales have tanked as they don’t get repeat customers. That’s on top of the industry problems.
@L L Yep.
Absolutely love my 570S, I like it significantly more than i liked any of my previous sports/supercars (Porsche 997 Turbo, 997 GT3, Ferrari F430 and Gen2 Audi R8 V10+). The feedback, steering, chassie, seating position, steering wheel, power gearbox, doors, exterior and exterior design are all individually better than in anything else i've ever driven before not to mention all in the same car. The only thing that its lacking is a more exotic and screaming tone of the exhaust, its good but not at the level of a GT3, non turbo Ferrari or the Lambo V10 in the R8 (even with titanium straight pipes with 200 cell cats on the McLaren). Just before the lockdowns I was at full day test drive of the new Ferrari F8 Tributo, I really like Ferrari but that just confirmed to me how much i love my McLaren and how it speaks to the driver.
OMG...loving the colour...McLaren week is going to get me in trouble with my wife...cos I can't stop watching TH-cam! :-D
I’m in America, my local dealer has at least three 600LTs and four 720Ss on the lot, bunch of Aston Martins also, all new and not moving for months. lol
😂😂😂😂😂
Coolest exhaust on any supercar
Also your analysis made sense.
Now that you have disclosed how many have been made, and single handedly increased the cars value. McLaren should maybe give you a car 😁
After you running up to the camera between the two cars, I was expecting you to just say "It's..."
And "Liberty Bell March" playing afterwards
Does that mean that a giant foot is coming?
First 30 seconds: this is how you hold an audiences attention for 30 seconds
I dig the music choice during those nighttime-shots.
Sounds like a NFSSE (1995) showcase video. Similar to the Lamborghini Diablo showcase movie, if anyone remembers.
@@vladmares8128 nope, not familiar to me. (that aside I used to prefer the Countach over the Diablo back in the day.)
I love the “not DOOM” music too.
5 new and 6 used currently sitting at Mclaren Charlotte, North Carolina.
You deserve more subs ! Great work.
Nice Fast Show throwback at the start ;)
I'm glad somebody got the reference!
Hi. Just found your channel. Great video so have subscribed. BTW, what camera do you use please. ( not the go pros ). Thanks.
It's a Panasonic GH5
Jay, you have a valid point in the real world, that is one with plenty of people who try to milk TH-cam monetisation and quickly moving through cars like they were picking up a new girl in a club each week-end. And true, McLaren aren't good at the game of building the drama, playing mind games, la-di-da. However from the days of Ron Dennis, they never particularly set out to play that game, hence why the car "only" comes with alcantara carpet and yellow belts. As a purist I think that's fantastic, it's way more pure than any Huracan that looks out of Ridge Racer and it's a closer reminder of cars like the 997 GT3 ClubSport or RS. Now regarding having some stock of cars or not limiting numbers, this can be different from country to country. Personally I think it's great that you can buy the car without the stupidity of people buying them to "flip" them. That's such a stupid lame way to make money, seriously people should just go and get a real job at the Royal Mail sorting office, do something useful rather than being a parasite. For example in USA certain buyers change their mind if they have to wait too long for a car, the new-school is very impatient. Limiting numbers has been a popular gimmick recently with any model and I actually APPLAUD Porsche once they decided they were just going to mess around with manual gearboxes as well just to shake it up for those losers who buy cars like buying gold. Even Warren Buffet says that the only true appreciating assets are stocks and shares of industrial goods that generate growth. Sure the 288 GTO etc were built in ltd numbers but at the time that was in keeping with the fact that early Ferraris (think 166M) were always build in the hundreds and had various carrozzerias doing different versions. Now I'm sure Ford will even build its S-Max "Vignale" in Limited numbers just to create some new product line to get buyers to "invest".
My 3 or 4 take-aways:
1) It's perfectly legit to dislike all the Shmees and JWW out there for wanting to make a quick buck as an alternative to Henry Catchpole or Dickie Meaden. Sorry guys, you can buy cars but you can't buy professionalism and a touch of down to earth class
2) Building and buying cars to stock like gold bullion or for boasting or just general "look me, I wear a Vacheron and own a ltd edition Senna" is wasting people's time. You can do it but cars are engineering machines made to be driven
3) nobody should give a monkey's if a 600LT or GT3 is ltd numbers or not. Sure, it devalues the car price, but it makes no difference to its merits. As Tiff Needell once said when driving the Zonda R, "They should have government-run Zondas". Ok yes then people would not think they're special...
4) The LT is an excellent car and hats of to Antonio Gonzales and the team who developed the dynamics (plus all the engineers who developed the other models leading to it, Mattia Saluzzo with Chris Goodwin and Leonardo Altieri and many more)
5) not aimed at anyone here or to JayEmm but aimed at countless annoying youtubers: if you didn't buy an LT you're not a good enough driver for it, you don't put your money where your mouth is, you're in it purely for short term gain and most of all people shouldn't be wasting time watching that content.
Jay, love your videos. Keep it up. Your viewpoint is always appreciated and worth watching every single time. Happy driving mate! Ciao.
Great vids - are you in Lincolnshire on this vid? Looks like the Lincolnshire countryside. Near to Woodhall Spa - that sort of way?
We simply don’t live in a world where you can mass produce quarter of a million dollar cars.
Mclaren has always been the car brand for me that you admire, but never could spend actual money on. I mean after their massive engineering failures on many cars, the brand has a pretty shitty 2nd hand value overall. Massive sticker prices and basically half value after a year.
An acquaintance bought one new and essentially lost a modest house on it in a year. It doesn't get discussed.
17:52 Monotone sound? What monotone sound? I love that high pitched wail of these modern McLaren V8 exhaust sounds ever since they were introduced in the 675LT. I could go as far as saying this car sounds just like a 675LT 😲 Spine tinglingly exciting - for a turbocharged V8 engine.
Yes, the McLaren and Ferrari V8s are not bad as such, just missing that V8 sound you get with Audis, Lambos, Bentleys, Astons, etc. It’s a bit characterless at low RPM and there’s plenty of noise higher up but it’s more a loud blare than music...
Great video. We are collecting ours tomorrow. Thanks for the review 👍
Enjoy!
Mac squandered an opportunity. I live in Vegas and for the aircon to not work on a NEW CAR . Yeah hard pass
Cannot wait for the review of the Exige Cup 430!
I'm thinking of getting an LT and currently driving a 991.2 GT3, smart choice to sell the GT for the LT?
Great video JayEmm:) any idea on how many left handlers are out there??
My question is how long it'll take for the centre of the rear wing to melt or catch fire..........
My thoughts exactly! I'm sure that wing costs more than a good used car.
@@nights4eva I did wonder... Possibly it's some sort of carbon-carbon composite like brake disks.
excellent really loving your channel mate its like a breath of fresh to me after watching the same car channels for years and years that just seem, well, boring now...by the way whats the music you put with the fire breathing exhausts? i need to hear it in full cheers
You do great reviews! Subbed!
Thanks Casey!
Hope this week ends with the mighty F1 😂
Regrettably not :(
@@JayEmmOnCars You mean there are more Mclaren to come AFTER you review the F1?
;-)
P1 or Senna?
Hi what camera are you using, the one that can be seen mounted to the windscreen?
I have a 570s, as I see it the reason people are cautious to commit are depreciation and a lack of consistent quality control. And I believe those two are related as well.
"....two months." Of HELL! 😂 🙄😞
Exhaust flames at night accompanied by metal music.👍
Wouldn't mind knowing what band that was actually ... No trace of a credit any where... Wasn't half bad
I don't know much about cars and so I was wondering if there's a consensus on which brand\make is the best?
Interesting what you say about the stock levels of McLaren cars. I was at a large prestige car storage facility last week and they had dozens upon dozens of unsold McLaren’s over two floors. They'd been there a while too showing dust on their clear plastic cover sheets and packed so tight over many hundreds of square metres of storage facility. I love the idea of a Mac and could get in to a lower model in the range but too many stories of TVR type niggles and over manufacture. At the price, no thank you.
Isn't it a funny world that we live in where it's'weird' and 'wrong' that you can actually buy a car you want, new from a dealer?
The issue is the manufacturer need to be more transparent - is it limited, or is it not - McLaren were far too vague with their wording come release day
Was that Billy Bunter driving that car?? I love the yellow tie.
When you hear that people (who by the way love supercars) don't want to buy one of the greatest supercars you can probably get, only because it hasn't the "right" production number (or at least allegedly hasn't) something is very wrong with the mindset of these people. They confuse cars, which are something to enjoy, with stocks, which are there to invest into or speculate with.
600LT is my dream car and I know there are so many horror stories but I love it. Can’t wait to get one one day
3:40 : insert "how dare you" greta meme... sorry couldn't resist
The light display from the exhaust is extraordinary.
Worth it for the Flames alone!!!
I’m guessing the flames are on the Up-shifts ?
Sad day for supercars when owning one is all about the value now and when you sell...
Jay,
When you say geometry is off, do you mean steering geometry? What should my mechanic check for on a 675LT?
Suspension/wheel geo - yeah check castor, camber and toe
I went into Redline in Yorkshire September time and they had 3 LT's with limited mileage...I believe not one has been sold (strikes me as people aren't interested particularly at the price).
True story, here in Sweden there are a couple on sale. though from different dealers, some are on big discounts already. like new MSRP is around 350K Euros. cheapest one is around 270K... with close to delivery miles on it
Another brilliant and entertaining review from Jay.
Here I am, sitting in Los Angeles, where I have lived for the past 20 years, and I click on a video where you drive a McLaren around Eye, where I went to high school!
Do the exhaust flames burn the spoiler?
Just done a deal on an unregistered 600LT coupe, VERY high MSO spec (coloured exterior carbon) - £58k off the OTR price!
Another video! Great. :) Not that I hate McLaren, I love how they look and how fast they are, but damn how they've messed up so much things from small to BIG problems.
When does the rear spoiler melt or catch fire?
I don't know what's "louder", colour of the 600LT or his shirt. Lol
Agree 100% with your conclusion. Truly awesome car but they mis-handled the launch.
Scorched marks on the spoiler!
What would be good deal under sticker on one spider 2020
So, if it is an everyday car, how big is the trunk/boot?
Does the spoiler not get damaged from the flames from the exhaust?
No that is why it has the coating in the middle
Great vlog bro.
My bro has a black one in California 👍🏻
cracking review, well dodgy shirt
How does it compare to the Exige 430 cup ?
The best investments are those other people miss at the time. You get them at a bargain. That seems true of this car.
I’d buy it idc if there’s problems along the way as long if it’s in my possession I’d be happy and honored by how this stunning fast machine is
so you have driven the 720s ...the 570s and now the 600LT.....which of these three cars would you buy now and why?
Screw that car!!! How are all the comments not about that 🔥 SHIRT!!!
I would be proud to stand next to you anywhere!!
9:46 You say to "do your geo" if you own a McLaren. But what do you mean by that? How do you "do your geo(metry)?". Is it some kind of suspension adjustment? I own a 600LT and it does have a bit of understeer at low speeds. Can that be fixed?
On road or track? Mine is a bit understeery on track but not really an issue on newer tyres. Normally when I start to notice understeer it’s because the inner shoulders of the front tyres are very worn. Give yours a check. The fairly extreme camber hides inner shoulder wear unless you turn the steering to full lock to check
Great points. Bottom line for me. I dont care how many that made in super car standards. I would buy one regardless of the numbers.
Seeing this makes me lust for an Artura, though. The V8's drone is a thing, and the hybrid system will probably sort that out.
So little downforce? If both the driver and passenger stick a hand out the window, they'd improve it by a lot...
Damn I wish I knew James Dean 🇿🇦
🤣
The music with the flames...perfect
I'm not sure how true this is, but I vaguely remember someone saying that the 488 Pista Spider was a similar deal. They weren't limiting them to a particular number, just to a particular length of time for builds. McLaren have gone down the same route, without realising that they're not Ferrari. Ferrari will sell out and people will buy them because they're Ferrari. McLaren don't have that same level of heritage or prestige. They can't sell cars on reputation alone. They still have some work to do in all aspects of the business, it seems.
If l had the cash it would never be the company that l would choose to buy from for sure !!
I'm guessing the out of breath bit at the start was irony following the comments in the last vid. If not then maybe at least think about some exercise and lay off the cheese burgers.
It was indeed acting
But cheeseburgers taste so damn good 🤤🤤🤤
@@JayEmmOnCars stick to the day job :)
Im looking for a gently used version of this car. It shoots flames for crying out loud i love it!!!
What goes around, comes around!
I didn't know McLarens were bad until I saw your reviews...!!! 🙂👍
The cars are great, the company... not so much
I like the sleeker back look on the McLaren 570. I don’t really care for a spoiler unless it’s a dedicated race car.
What is my choice when I have more than half a dozen McLaren 600lt listed on pre-woned Bulletin？
how about a review on the bmw I8?
How often do you have to replace the rear spoiler after the exhaust melts it?
The centre section is coated in a material that withstands high temperatures
@@JayEmmOnCars good to hear, though it will be interesting to see how this holds up over time... The footage you showed made it look like those flames were going directly into the spoiler.
@@joeshmoe7485 whoops that's you shot down
Panel mis-alignment on the passenger door is horrible.