Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S vs Michelin Pilot Super Sport
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We tried to make a 5 minute video to explain the differences between the new Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S, and it's older brother the Michelin Pilot Super Sport. Sadly we failed, and this video is 9 minutes. If you're not a tyre geek, but are curious about the differences between the two tyres, feel free to skip to the conclusion at 6:10 as that covers most of it.
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Sick video dude! Very informative with lots of stats that I'll try and get my head round haha
Thanks Paul, appreciated. Look forward to working together in the future!
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You should try them out on your Merc @SOL - Supercars of London
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Yes please ! More tyre tests would be great. A lot of people don't understand the importance of good tyres (or tires for the Americans), so it's worth educating people more on this topic.
Thank you!
We're working on a number of videos this year covering all aspects of tyres :) Subscribe to keep up to date :)
I love these PS4s tires. And I’ll admit, I bought them mostly for the looks 😂
Where did u buy them from? Cant seem to find any available. I read they come at 285/35/18 but cant find any
Pavlos Pilakoutas same issue
Apparently they are no longer in production
I waited a month at bjs before they figured that out. I went to a local tire shop yesterday who said they had them and i could get them next day. When i came to the shop it was the pilot sport a/s 3+. After making a fuss i just said eff it and got them, i cant be bothered with this anymore. Also they are $200 cheaper and all season vs summer.
@@AG-xt6ei i have ps3 now, and most likely will go for the super sport model.
Used to have the pirelli p zero before, cant remember the models in front and back, rosso something, but michelin are top notch. For me that is.
@@AG-xt6ei I hope your A/S3+ have served you well. We put them on our 2019 RS 3 in 245/40;/18 size using new 18x8.5 alloy wheels, now at 12,978 fast back roads use, 5,047 local driving and they have performed very well. Clearly superior to the factory Pirelli 235/35/19 original configuration. Will replace shortly with Michelin A/S 4S soon as the A/S3+ have been discontinued.
How long did they lasted
I'm a Tire Technician and I'm around tires everyday. I've learned a lot in the 3 years that I've been in the field. I currently have the PSS on my vehicle and there a night and day difference compared to other UHP tires out there. I'm really excited to put the PS4S on my ride as soon as they become available at my shop. Thank you for the video!
Jorge Quirante look forward to hearing how you find them!
would like a track test between MPSS/MP4S/CUP2, to see how close the tyres are on track (have the MPSS on daily wheels, the CUP2 on trackset).
We're doing our best to make it happen!
Tyre Reviews cool! :)
And road too please. A lost of us don't track but still want an ultra sticky tire for dry road use.
We'll try our best! :)
I had same combo on my A45. PSS daily and Cup2 for track. The Cup2 as a daily did not last (about 50% of the longevity, not surprising as they start off with less tread depth), The Cup2 were worth just over a second on track, but did aquaplane earlier on a wet track (but were still ok in wet with the awd assistance compared to the pussies in their Porsche’s)
Hey guys, I'm sure you guys have limited time and resources for reviews but if you ever have the opportunity, please start reviewing a wider range of performance tyres, in terms of price range and brands (e.g. Bridgestone, Yokohama, other lesser known brands). You guys put out great reviews that I'm sure an increasing number of people want to watch and covering a wide range of performance tyres will make it relevant to lots of people with many types of cars. Thank, great job, guys.
Joshua D'Oliveiro thank you for the kind words! We're working towards a number of interesting videos this year so be sure to subscribe to keep up to date with the latest content. They won't all be as long and as boring as this one!
absolutely need a Pilot Sport 4 S vs pilot sport 4 vid please , my biggest problem with tyres these days is soft side walls , totally hate them some are frankly shocking and completely ruin all driving dynamics , i just dont get how some manufactures can make the sidewalls so dam soft on some tyres , look forward to the next vid thanks
It's an issue with the label demands and OE requirements. Nearly all OE manufacturers are calling for quieter more comfortable tyres, and the label rolling resistance grade requires a low rolling resistance. This means manufacturers are taking material and strength out of the sidewalls.
As noted in the video, the PS4S is ever so slightly softer than the PSS. The next step in Michelin would be the PSCup2.
Manufacturers who don't score as well on comfort can sometimes give you improved steering feel, such as the Yokohama V105
Great video! This helped me a lot with my decision making. After watching, I've decided to go with the PS4Ss for my M4.
Let me know how you get on :)
Good news on the NVH + Wet Traction on the 4's... they'll go on once the PSS's are finished! Thanks for the commentary.
Enjoy, let me know how you get on :)
Great video.
However the MP4S isnt available in all sizes the MPSS was, so a test of MPSS vs MP4 (non S) would be great.
Agreed!
Very well put together, I am currently running the pss on my a4 Quattro it's streets ahead of the conti sc3 my car came with from Audi, given how good the pss is I will have my eye on the new ps4s for sure. So far the tread wear on the pss is outstanding they are so much better than Continentals.
Thanks for the great explanation. I have the super sports on my S3 now and love them but now I am looking for new tires and really just need a good everyday tire. The 4S looks like it might be my next tire I am just not ready to spend a 1000 dollars again.
Jon fantastic video and thank you for all your help with getting specific information from Michelin. I've being a long fan on the MPSS since fitting to my 911 where it offered more or less cup levels of grip in the dry but was also superb in the wet and on my 911 they lasted 2-3x longer than any other tyre I had tried previously on track and road. Just fitted the 4S today to the rear and though it is way to early to give performance data the first and immediate thing I noticed over the worn MPSS was NVH and road noise significantly reduced.
A thumbs up and subscription from me! :)
No problem Gibbo, glad you got there in the end. Keep us updated with your thoughts as the tyres bed in and you get more miles on them :)
Will be running pilot sport 4s on my sti this summer. Got em in my garage cant wait to put em on. Great looking tire too!
getting ready to get a new set of rims and these tires for mine
@@Madvillian nice! 18x8.5 +55 offset seems to be a good size to clear the calipers and all that. I have an appointment at the dealer may 11th to swap my tires out. Its still a bit cold up here in nj
Would love to see PS4 vs PS4S as sadly only PS4 will be available in 370z sizing. CS6 is available but worried they may wear very quickly!
Both the PS4S and CSC6 only go down to 19", and there's very few PS4 sizes in 19", apart from 255/35 R19 (which is covered by the PS4S too)?!
I had a brief email exchange with someone at Michelin the other week and while they have plans to introduce 275/35 R19 in PS4 there's no plans for PS4S in 245/40 R19. That's why I'm definitely interested in seeing how PS4 compare to PS4S/CSC6...otherwise PSS may be best?
We've at least got you covered on the PSS vs CSC6 question - th-cam.com/video/27PcQObpNsQ/w-d-xo.html
Recently got new tires for my 370Z stock rims and since the stock tire size in front is 245/40 R19 I went with PS4 in the front and 275/30 R19 PS4S in the rear. I was wondering why Camskill didn't have the PS4S for the 245/40 but if it doesn't exist yet then I got my answer.
@aslan abioqa how are you finding that combo ? i have a supercarged 370z and i am looking at doing the same
i figure the extra grip in the rear cant hurt ?
PS4 vs PS4S vs PSC2 would be a great thing. It would defenitely help in undertsaning the different levels of "sportiness"
dufonrafal it's something we're definitely planning for this year :)
Very good review. Great website too. Just fitted MPSS to my 335d F31 m sport (would've gone with the PS4S but am on 18" Wheels), replaced the awful S001 run flats, drives like a different car. Never will I have run flats again. Absolutely love the car now, has made a huge difference!! Hopefully Michelin will release a star marked PS4S for 18" wheels befroe my MPSS need replacing. It really is very important to get tyre selection right if you're even slightly enthusiastic about driving.
Glad you're enjoying them :) They wear so well by the time you need to replace them, the PS5S might be on the market!
Can not get a better tyre review 👍
great review, moved from supersport and got my 4S set and they rock...
Great to hear! If you get some time feel free to leave a review on www.tyrereviews.com :)
A Video about PS4, PS4S and even Cup2 would be really great! I'm driving the PS4 on my 335i and would really appreciate a test between them, especially the PS4 and PS4S.
Sadly, Michelin doesn't offer the PS4S at 18 Inch dimensions.
It's coming! 18" PS4S does exist in America too
Nice to see a balanced review on these at last. Been waiting for these to come out in 225/40/19 for the front of my E46 M3 but looks like its not gonna happen. Need to bite the bullet and get 235/40/19 instead as it has the lowest effect on the speedo compared to the cheaper ones closest to my size (negligible really as it's just under 1% as compared to up to 4% with the other sizes). Have already just fitted the standard PS4 (non "S") on the rear and they are phenomonal, really can't rate them highly enough. They replaced an old set of PS3's that lasted 14k over the past year which were a brilliant set of all year tyres as well. With the new PS4S on the front and my new bilsteins fitted all round the car will be like a go kart - cant wait!
sarcastixx74 thank you for the feedback :) for what it's worth I ran 235/35 R19 fronts on the TyreReviews E46 M3 without problem, just make sure you let your insurance company know as technically it is classed as a modification
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Thanks for the reply. The 235/40/19's would give the lowest speedo error (under 1%) while the 235/35/19's would be just over 2%. I know it's marginal but I want to keep the same 40 profile as the 35 will probably increase road noise. It's only 18 quid per tyre extra for the size I want compared to the size you listed. If it was more than that though I probably would have settled for the 235/35s! As for insurance, they already have my modifications listed on the policy which includes my non factory alloys/tyres. Thanks for the reminder though, always best to disclose all mods to insurers ;)
sarcastixx74 be sure to let us know how you get on with the new rubber :)
I got new forged wheels on my i8 and didn't know whether to go with the PS4S' or PZero's. I wound up going with the PS4S' once I read it was Michellin's "improved" version of the super sports. This video gave me validation knowing I chose the right tire. Thanks!
Enjoy the tyres, it's a difficult choice between the top brands as the margins are so small, but all the tests so far indicate you made the right choice :)
Great review, thanks.
I've only recently (Oct 2016) bought a set of PSS ( to replace Bridgestone 050's) for my rather lowly Mondeo Titanium X Sport, but they are such an improvement. I've only used them for just over a month before switching to my winter wheels/tyres, so I think by the time I replace the PSS, the PS4 will have been superseded possibly?...but certainly looks promising for the future anyway.
Frembrit Nez the PSS was on the market for 4 years before the launch of the PS4S, so it depends on how many miles you do. Either way, we're excited at the thought of the PS5S (or whatever Michelin decide to name it!)
They do look great - glad I'm not the only one who thought so!
I just had a set of 4s put on my S65 AMG. Funny thing was the tire shop "accidentally" put Super Sports on the front...I'll bet they weren't expecting me to notice.
Great review. Very few sources of this kind of information. Highly valuable.
Too bad they don't make them in 18's anymore, hopefully the standard 4 won't be too far off
The PS4 already betters the PSS in a number of areas, so while there's quite a big jump in NVH and wet grip from the PSS to the PS4S, the difference between the PS4 and the PS4S will be much smaller.
We're constantly talking with Micheli about an 18" PS4S. We're lobbying for one!
Tyre Reviews please keep trying 18” is a huge market place
The intro/outro song is what plays when Mariyln Manson walks into a swingers party
Great informative video. Well done. What really impressed me, is the honesty & objectivity. Look forward to more videos from you. And yes we would love to see video(s) comparing mpss/mp4s/mp Cup2/conti sport contact 6. It will be an instant hit, especially with people like myself who owns many Porsches with mpss & cup2 & P zero & MPA4 tires. It will be also great to see videos of tire reviews of same or comparable (ultra high performance) tires but at lower temperatures (e.g 33F to 49F) in both dry & wet conditions. Many owners of exotic or sport cars still drive their cars with these ultra high performance tires at these lower temperatures if they live in areas where it does not normally snow, but only very few of these tires perform reasonably OK under such conditions. Again geat job and please keep them coming. Mark
Great video on this subject, and one of the first ones which is very informative with lots of detail! I'm having the PSS on my GT86 and it's incredible. Shame for me is that manufacturers put more resources in larger sizes nowadays. 18" is already something of the past. Now 19-20" are the benchmark tires. One question to the car manufacturers: is this really necessary? For the next gen cars you have 18" for the Fiesta ST, 19" for the Mégane RS and now 20" on a Civic Type-R. For me 17" is correct size for a Fiesta and 18" is for a Focus RS, Mégane RS or Civic Type-R. For the car enthusiast 19-20" is not payable. Certainly if you do 5-10000 kilometers with a set of tires.
Maybe an idea for a next video to discuss that matter. Keep on doing these video's. It's an asset on TH-cam!
Thank you for the kind words, really appreciated. We are in the process of planning a 17 vs 18 vs 19 inch test, so keep an eye on the channel :)
We agree the PS4S should be in 18", and while it isn't yet, that's not to say it won't be in the future. The tyre manufacturers will react to the demand of the market, and there's so much interest in an 18" PS4S in Europe, lets see what happens in 2018 :) Fingers crossed!
Great review, thanks for taking the time and effort to film for us.
Clive Walpole thank you for your kind comment, be sure to subscribe for more in the future :)
Tyre Reviews - Yes, I have subscribed. It was refreshing to listen to a tyre review from someone who actually understands tyre and car dynamics, a rare thing indeed! I run Supersports and Cup 2's on different cars, and I'm looking forward to using a new set of PS4S.
Clive Walpole be sure to let us know how you get on :)
I also support the idea of comparing the PSS to the P4S to the PSC2 for both road and track use
Thank you very much...pretty much my determining factor when buying UHP rubber is what the feedback is at loss of traction time...that is what matters to me...which is why I still prefer Cup2 tires as I can feel what they are up to at traction loss time...but as my '18 Z06 has PSS's and I was considering Cup2's or PS4's I will now scratch the PS4 thought.
thanks for your great review, my 2010 911 came with Sport Cups but they were discontinued for the base 18 inch size in the Sport Cup 2 so I needed to find a tire that would be a suitable replacement. I ended up with the 4S and like how the tires are quieter but have yet to test the grip. Living in LA our roads are crappy - with a lot of bumps and potholes in the roads, so going 19 inch was not a wise option if I wanted more comfort. I believe this is the best compromise since I never track the car. I have Super Sports on my M4 CS and love them but will use this review once I need a new set as well.
Sounds like you made a great choice :)
For a relatively small channel the production quality is top notch. Keep it up and people will definitely notice.
Thank you, we've a few more videos coming over the summer, hopefully these will improve the production further!
I wanted to get the 4s, but unfortunately, the 4s didn't make the size I needed for my rear tires in 19in, so I had to go to the Super Sport. In hindsight sight, and it's only been a week or two since I purchased an MBZ from a BMW Z4-M that I was driving, I should have stuck with my gut and taken more time to find a good 2008-2012 M3 convertible. My loos because I love the BMWs over the MBZs.
Super nice video @Tyre Reviews. When is the test coming between the MPS4 and the MPS4S and MPSC2?? Im very curious between the differences of the MPS4 and the MPS4S!
Bokkem01 thanks :) it's still being planned, I'm really hopeful it will be this year!
Ty...looking at the 4s as my next tire
They're great tyres, the wet grip is a real improvement over the Super Sport
Great video guys and a great addition to your website!
Had these on my golf r. Just got them for my 1 series. Best tyre ever. MPSS.
Great review.
Agreed, I'm a big fan!
Great review. looking forward to testing the pss4. most tests have been done on the smaller high performance car m3.
would really like to see a tyre a review on the bigger cars. m5 v10 /v8, rs6 v10 /v8 and e63
iamsadam no problem... If you happen to have an rs6 you can lend us we'll do a review straight away :)
Very,Very good info, I am getting Audi S3 2018, plan on putting Michelin's on it, Thanks kindly!
Nice car, enjoy!
What’s the best Michelin tire in this size for an Audi S3 as it is not available in the pilot sport 4s still yet as far as I am aware. Choices are softer PS4, older pss or full on winter compromising psc2?
Looking forward to some 18's when they finally bring them out.
If they bring them out!
Sadly it never happened.
I am looking for a high performance 18'' inch tire for my car I take to the track from time to time,
295 or 305 wide 18'' inch tires are hard to come by..
I can't get this background music out of my head!!!!!!!
I still prefer the Super Sport. I think my AMG just prefers this tire better with the weight shifting load. Still an unbelievable tire in 2018, amazing. Ill keep running the SS's until they quit making it...
If it was a little better in the wet it would be such a great tyre still! The game has moved on in the wet though.
( Tyre Reviews ) Great point bro.. Tires have came a long way. I only run my SS's from June thru August living in Mid West. I don't have many wet days in that period..
Might be worth thinking about the Cup 2 then. Another great dry weather tyre, and will give you even more feedback and stability!
(Tyre Reviews ) Thank you very much, really appreciate it. Ill definitely check them out, maybe my tire guy will have a used pair to let me wear out... Thanks again 👍
Thanks - great video,really informative and I'm now off to buy some PS4S for the M3! Looking forward to better wet grip.
Let us know how you get on!
Great work you guys are doing with tyre reviews.
Since PSS and PS4S don't come in 17, I can either stick to the classic PS2 N3 or try the PS4 for my 993.
Tyres are getting softer these days, I'm not so sure that the 8 time test winner PS4 will give the same driving fun and feeling as the old PS2N3..
I'd stick with the PS2 in this case, the PS4 won't give you as much feeling :)
Excellent review . . . . Informative
Nice review, since this summer I have put 19 inch PS 4S on my Mercedes E500 coupe, much better grip and stability at high speed on the Autobahn than with 18 inch PS4 before. Best tyres so far for daily drive (> 60000 km per year)!
how about noise and comfort ? ps4 vs ps4s :)
@@kleroooo The downside is little less comfort and little more noise but way more performance. It was worth for me, it depends on what you prefer.
Great informative video and channel - a shame the 4S isnt' available for my Cooper S. Maybe they will account for smaller sizes as the PSS reaches EOL. I'd really like to see a comparison between SC2 / PSS / 4S
Same for me! is not available for my Fiat 124 Spider Abarth (17 inches) so I have to buy the Super Sport iso 4S
Career auto worker of 22yrs. Former time trials racer for 10yrs. My experiences with each tire:
PSS in 265/40R18 and 245/40R18 on a 640bhp GTO. Built 6-spd trans and IRS rear w/3.91 gears. 3450lbs w/o driver. 90% street and canyon carving use, 10% track events.
These replaced 245/45R17 (squared) Dunlop Direzza Z1 ands ZII Star Specs, which were your typical rock hard auto-x 200TW "hero" tires. I hated them on the road, loved when I sold them off! Comparatively, the PSS were SO smooth and quiet by comparison, it transformed the whole car in all conditions. Even my other half commented praises and surprise from the passenger seat. I never wanted any other tire on THAT car for dual duty use. PSS! 💪 👏
I ran multiple drag radials on the back of this car trying to find that extra "stick" under the 550whp and 500wtq of the race motor. None of them performed worth a s*** on the street because you just couldn't get heat into them. And you were left with floppy, sloppy sidewalls that were straight terrifying on the street when thee was any curve to the road.
But the Michelin PSS? I would haze them in a quick 1st or 2nd burnout for a few brief seconds, then they would hook up in 2nd gear every time. And hazing tires with a big cube motor is endlessly fun.
CONCLUSION: I would still be buying the PSS for this car if they weren't so crazy marked up and nearly extinct...
TIRE WEIGHT: The tire weight of the PSS was consistently 2-3lbs lighter than its competitors as well, due to the synthetic Twaron material used in the belts/carcass. You can feel this in most conditions. Less rolling resistance, easier to accelerate and stop this tire. Also made the ride quality leagues better, compared to a half dozen other tires I ran on this car.
Now the Michelin PS4S, first in a 225/40R18 square fitment on stock wheels, then 245/40R18 on lightweight racing wheels.
Car: 2017 VW GTI SE, 350bhp, 420lb/ft. 3150lbs with full interior and accessories. 90% street, 10% track days. Did 4 track events in 2023 in the Texas HEAT on these tires, so my info below covers street and track behavior.
FIRST IMPRESSIONS: the 225/40s were NOISY! They felt and gripped BEAUTIFULLY right out of the tire shop parking lot, onto a beautiful sunny hill country road...compared to the Pirelli Cinturato trash cans that came on the car,. But this performance intoroduced a lot more road noise, especially for the first 500-1k miles.
The thin sidewalls of the 225/40 did me no favors, but that combo punched above its weight class: my little GTI kept up with a VERY fast 2014 GTR Black Edition with a stout driver through the Smoky Mountains of central TN back in 2020. My car barely made 290whp at that time. His was well into the 480whp range. I was impressed and terrified that day...
TRACK: both tires are super sensitive to tire pressures. You can add or subtract just 2-3psi and drastically change the ride quality, comfort and handling of the tires on the street, very similarly to how a car with DCC suspension behaves in different modes.
The PSS and PS4S both preferred 34-36psi hot on track days, so you'd start way lower, around 28-29psi cool, depending on the ambient air temps and track surface temps. Go beyond 36psi hot and they'd start to sign off like a shady tech CEO during an IRS audit... 😖 🙈
The tires build heat quickly but are slow to shed it, if that makes sense. You can get 2-3 hot laps from them, but then you need a solid and easy cool-down lap to let them recover. This is the price you pay for running a do-it-all road and track tire. If you go into this eyes wide open, you won't be disappointed. Temper expectations before any big car/performance purchase.
Both Michelins come up to temp VERY early, which makes them more tolerant in cooler climates like the PNW or northeast than a dedicated max summer tire. They're happiest in 60-65* F and higher temps for all out grip, but they'll surprise you in a good way in 50* F and above for general safety under a sane right foot.
Make of this what you will, it's honest, but not the same tires on the same cars. I have no direct comparison "data" with lap times and braking distances, because I'm a racer and a parent on a budget, at all times. But this is the subjective info that can't be fit into a short and concise video.
LIKE if this info helped you (the readers) at all. And thank you, Tyre Reviews for all the solid content! 🍻 ❤
Thank you Sir. for the review. I have never ridden on Mu$helins tyre or bought em, but Im sold. After researching Im getting a set for my BMW. I got some Nitto nt555 g2 on my jdm Tacoma and love those for the value and what I get. What Sold me on the ps4s is not only all the good tech and reviews but the tyres are a few pounds lighter also In the same sizes. Im getting new 18" lightweight wheels on the Bavarian Machine with the lighter Mu$helins. Woohoo!!! 😘🇩🇪☝...
I nearly down voted your video for [edit I meant] NOT screaming that lovely V8 at least once! ;) lol. Interesting to hear the differences between the 2, pity you didn't give any hard data on them though.
Very informative and really useful to get your comparison
Many Thanks
nice work on this episode.very good info.
Thank you!
Awesome!!! Pilot Sport 4 vs 4S review please! Couldn’t find ANYTHING anywhere!!!
fransarj I really want to do it, but as there's very few cross over sizes at the moment in the UK, it's not high on the list. PS4S VS Cup 2 is though :)
Very informative video Sir. I have made decision to put PS 4S in my new wheels after watching this. Thank you so much.
Get, let me know how you get on :)
You have provided the best review so far. I just would like to ask; how will the 4s handle in colder weather 40 to 30? I would just like to drive my Porsche a bit longer into the coder months.
I wish they would make the 4sin more sizes.
Outstanding comparison!
Appreciated, thank you :)
Just get a PS4s on my mustang..... Before is P zero tire. Still try to feel the differences
泓璋陳 same here bro! I just got ps4s on my 2015 mustang gt. I have driven 200 kms and honestly i feel huge different, much better grip. No fishtails and no loosing traction.
Pilot 4s vs Cup 2 tire comparison please! thanks.
Sweet video man really useful info 👌
Thank you :)
I think the Pilot Super Sport feels better than the 4S. I have had them both on my E92 M3 as well. I actually felt turn in was better with the PSS over the 4S.
Thanks great video very informative 👍
please make a comparison of pilot sport 4 to the F1 asymmetric 3.
kostasdh will add to the list. There will be an a2 vs a3 video coming in the next few weeks, and there's loads of tests on tyrereviews featuring both your tyres :)
Realise it's apples and oranges, but how do you think the dry grip, feel and feedback compares between the Super Sport and the Pilot 4 on the road? Super Sports on our 3 series (18") have worn out and we're deciding between the two.
Educated guess - dry grip extremely similar, feel and feedback, advantage to the Super Sports, comfort and noise, advantage to the PS4. If you do make the swap let me know how you get on!
Really excellent work here.
Change to Super Sport from Bridgestone RE050.
285 rears.. Were like butter even after 30 km commute. Only when driving like a hooligan did they warm up enough to be able to match my wife in her bog stock 2.0 Focus going around Corners on the way home
Is it possible to make a video featuring tyre options for Hot Hatches ?? sth like Civic Type r, Clio 182, Integra Type r etc.
Enjoyed your review and the edit - greetings from Poland ! ;)
It's something we'd love to do, we'll add it to the list :) If you check out the TyreReviews website there are plenty of German tests which use hot hatches!
Yes please test the P4s vs cup2 for track in dry. I think everybody knows in wet the cup2 are not the tyre to run. However is the cup2 so much better to run it on track instead of using the p4s for track and everyday use.
Working on it :)
Compared with the new Pzero tm pz4 , bi-compound
Can‘t believe this was 6 years ago, when I just got my license.
Great video - thanks.
Will the Supersport keep going for a few more years? I have four on my M3 as it stands.
David Luke the PSS will continue to be made in sizes where there's an OE approval for up to 10 years!
Very informative. Enjoyed it. Would you remember how the CSC6 vs PS4S sidewall stiffness compares?
Weirdly I was literally just thinking about this.
Very similar. The 4S is softer than the PSS was, which brings it more in line with the Conti.
Haha. Thanks. Reason I'm asking is I am considering replacing my stock CSC6 due to the bad wear rate & sidewall roll. Considering the 4S but it does not come in 245/30/20. Closest means I need to go to 35 series.
It might be marginally better but not night and day, and adding the sidewall height would negate that anyway. If sidewalls are your thing and you don't want to fit a Cup 2, check out the Vorti R or the Yoko V105S.
The Cup 2 was actually second on my list but its 35 series as well. At least the sidewall is stiffer. Driving on the street in the monsoon will be my greatest challenge but since I don't commute, thought I'd give it a try. Hoping they're better in the track despite the height increase. Thanks again.
One of the latest channel video covers Cup 2 on the road. They can be quite a challenge when cold and wet :)
Very good review!
Andreas Sjöström thanks you, really appreciated :)
Terrific video. Like to see MS4s vs SC2 vs Pierelli PZero Trofeo r
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I went to Super Sports from 4s on a Boxster S (RS60) and it slid everywhere. Just less grip at the limit.
Tire manufacturers have gone full blown Apple. No need for a million different named tires that do the same damn thing
Great work! Can you share your thoughts on the Porsche N-rating? (hype..?) I have a set of PS4S coming for my GT3, but they are not N rated and neither are the MPSS, but they are still favored by many GT3 owners..?
Lars Nielsen OE marking is a planned video for this year! In short, it depends on the OE. In the case of Porsche there can actually be quite a lot of changes to a tyre, but that doesn't always mean that tyre A with OE approval will be better for your driving style than tyre B which newer technology
Question to you and the whole community: which one would you choose: Michelin Pilot Sport 4S or Pirelli P Zero PZ4 (S.C.)
Personally, I prefer the PS4S, but the P Zero is chaper, quieter and has good reviews as well.
I hardly drive at any track, but I normally drive around 13-15.000 miles per year.
Thank you guys (and girls)✌🏻
I don't like the steering feel of the PZ4 so I stick with PS4S
0:36 That profile...
Great review man!
Thank you :)
Great Review thanks for all the info. I have the BMW M2 with the Michelin Pilot Super Sports fitted and was wondering what would be the best option for my next tyres. Having come from a Quattro car back to RWD and living in Ireland, (our part of the world) where the range of both temperatures and rain is so vast tyre choice is always a tough one!
Question if you don't mind me asking....... What do you fit to your M3 in the winter months, do you stick with the same or do you change to a set of winter / all weather tyres?
Difficult question, I Guess it depends if you appreciate steering feel at the limit over wet grip. The PS4S is definitely the better tyre objectively, but it does loose a little of the feel from the PSS.
Given your quattro background and where you live, PS4S would be my choice
Great vdo, thanks.
Would you make a vdo of Pilot Sport4 vs Pilot Sport 4S ?
That would be fantastic.
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Good review! Too bad 4S price gone up which makes me think getting PSS again.
Thanks. Unfortunately in the UK at least, all tyre prices are heading up at the moment :(
Cheers for the video. Just ordered the 4s for my e90 m3
Let me know how you get on :)
Tyre Reviews will do. Hey odd request but do you know the part number of your alcantara gear shifter boot? Ps enjoyed your episode on car throttle!
Sorry dude, previous owner fitted it. I think it was from a forum and it's aftermarket.
Tyre Reviews all good mate. Thanks for the reply.
Yes! Test the Cup 2 against these two, please!! I just got them on my new GTI Clubsport and really like to know your opinon! Thanx!
GTI clubsport, very nice! Can't wait to test the Cup 2, it should happen this year :)
keep up the hard work great video. now would this be a great tire for a fwd car also? since the comparison was on rwd cars. got an ss/tc I'm building up to be a track and all round race car.
Ru Su there's no reason the advantages this tyre has on the RWD M3 shouldn't be transferred to a FWD or AWD platform! That's said, as great as the PS4S is on track, if you're building a dedicated track car we'd suggest looking at the Pilot Sport Cup 2 as this will be even better on track!
Well it'll be street driven also. Track once or twice a month. I'm up here in Alaska so it'll rain time and again so wet is good and the roads aren't the greatest either. It's garaged in the winter time thou.
Tyre Reviews but is the pilot sport cup 2's last as long as the ps4s? longevity is kindup there for me. hate to have to buy new tires so quickly.
Ru Su the PS4S will certainly wear better than the Cup on the road. Would be interesting to see how the tyres wear on track where the Cup 2 will be more at home, but I don't think anyone will have that data.
I would love to go for the 4S but driving on 18inches I have got the choice between the PS4 and PSS, which would you recommend knowing that I plan to take the car to the track a couple of times a year.
PetrolKev if the track work is important to you we would go with the PSS, though we've seen plenty of good feedback from people who have tracked the PS4 too!
@@tyrereviews So for no track use you recommend Michelin ps 4?
Appreciate the info bro !!!
I drive a 2015 M5 have used Pilot Super Sports on this and my 06 M3.
And live in Southern California, USA
I was thinking of trying the PS4S, I looked at the forums and the consensus is the Pilot Super Sport is the preferred. I realize the Michelin is sponsoring you, so I’m wondering is it a better tire on some cars then others or is it an issue if that’s what they know and not accepting change to the PS4S ?
Michelin don't sponsor me or pay me to say anything. Go watch my review of the 4S vs Super sport and you'll see what the m3 guys are talking about. The PS4S is objectively a better tyre but subjectively the PSS wins for handling and steering feel etc. In southern cali if you want the super sport dry grip and feel, go Cup 2, it's even better subjectively!
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Thanks I’ll look at the M3 forums I’m on the M5 forums as I was looking for F10 M5 thoughts. Because of the higher horsepower and torque. But open to all opinions to make the best decision. The Cup 2 I think they won’t last 6 months on the roads here most of them are in poor condition. I only go to the track a couple times a year.
Super video thanks
Michelin Pilot Super Sport on the front and Pilot Sport 4 S on the rears, well that's what i'm doing next week for now anyway as rear need replacing
Let me know how you find them :)
Nathan Piper anything? My pilot SS blew one tire so I need to replace it debating switching to 4s
Just curios about the wear rates between the PS4s and the Cup two on track. Will the PS4S give more track days than the Cup 2??
Could you test out the Michelin Pilot Sport A/A 3 Plus please? Would like to see how it holds up with the Pilot Sport 4 S, Pilot Super Sport and Pilot Super Cup 2. I live in Canada and storing the tires in the garage is still cold so the Pilot Sport A/S 3 Plus is better in terms of tires cracking in cold weather for me. Thanks.
Best I can do for now - www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/Michelin-Pilot-Sport-4S-vs-Continental-ExtremeContact-Sport-AS3-RE980AS.htm
Great reviews. Im a fan. Subscribed👍👍👍. I have a 7 series (not LWB) with Goodyear Excellence Rft, 20in wheels. After watching the videos im looking to change to non runflats. I havent felt confident at bends at high speed on this car. It cant be the size of the car as its only 2 inches longer than a 5 series. I'm looking for a safe tyre as even tiny wheel slide kills my confidence. Thinking between ps4s vs primacy. Wondering what is overall safest tyre at wet british weather. And how does ps4s/primacy compare with other uhp summer tyres in cold winter months when the roads get bit icy? Many thanks.
For ultimate safety you want a summer / winter combination. The PS4S and Primacy are similar ultimate levels of grip, but the PS4S will be more sporty.
I have to replace the rear tyres. I will put on the 4S should I replace the front tyres too or should I keep them on the Super Sport?
You're ok doing a staged swap if you want the added wet grip of the 4S
Hi, so I have a question - I need to buy a whole set of summer tyres for my GLA45 AMG - and 4S is not made in the right size for my car(235/45r19), so it's a choice of either the Pilot Sport 4 or the stock Continental 5P - the contis have a fantastic grip, but with some really strong drawbacks(they wear out like crazy, are very noisy and absolute rubbish in low temperatures). Should I switch to Michelin? Or stick with contis?
The Pilot Sport 4 will offer very similar levels of grip to the 5P with much improved wear. It's ok to change an axle pair at a time, but ideal to change all 4.
Wow, thanks for the super quick reply! Yeah if anything, I'm going to buy the whole set.
they need to make the Pilot Sport 4s in a larger size to fit the GT350... The Pilot Sport Cup 2 do not last ...
But they must be fun...
Thanks!
Yes! do that video.