Making The Best Tire Better - Michelin PS4S
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- The Michelin Super Sport Successor - PS4S
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Michelin Pilot 4S tires improve grip over the previous Pilot Super Sports by using a variety of technologies, including a new compound formulation, a hybrid aramid/nylon belt, a variable contact patch and reactive tread pattern, a multi-tread compound, and an asymmetric tread pattern. Their new tire sets a new benchmark.
Huge thanks to Michelin for having me out for the #MichelinPilotExperience! #PS4S #Partner
Below are Michelin's disclaimers for their claims of
1.) First In Dry Braking.
2.) First In Wet Braking
3.) First In Dry Lap Times
"1. Based on commissioned third-party dry braking tests conducted by TÜV SÜD in Papenburg and Memmingen, Germany, from 62 mph to 0 mph comparing the MICHELIN® PILOT® Sport 4 S (110.4 ft. avg. stopping distance) versus the Bridgestone® Potenza™ S-04 Pole Position™ (115.3 ft. avg. stopping distance), Continental® ExtremeContact™ DW (117.4 avg. stopping distance), Pirelli® P ZERO™ (116.5 ft. avg. stopping distance), and Goodyear® Eagle® F1 Asymmetric 3(115.3 ft. avg. stopping distance) in tire size 255/35ZR19 96Y using a 2016 AUDI S5 Coupe 3.0 TFSI 333 hp. Actual on-road results may vary.
2. Based on commissioned third-party wet braking tests conducted by TÜV SÜD in Papenburg and Memmingen, Germany, from 50 mph to 0 mph comparing the MICHELIN® PILOT® Sport 4 S (90.9 ft. avg. stopping distance) versus the Bridgestone® Potenza™ S-04 Pole Position™ (98.2 ft. avg. stopping distance), Continental® ExtremeContact™ DW (98.4 ft. avg. stopping distance), Pirelli® P ZERO™ (97.0 ft. avg. stopping distance), and Goodyear® Eagle® F1 Asymmetric 3 (91.3 ft. avg. stopping distance) in tire size 255/35ZR19 96Y using a 2016 AUDI A5 Sportback 2.0 TDI 177 hp. Actual on-road results may vary.
3. Based on commissioned 3rd party 1.6 mile circuit lap time tests conducted by TÜV SÜD in Papenburg and Memmingen, Germany, comparing the MICHELIN® PILOT® Sport 4 S (80.33 sec. avg. lap time) versus the Bridgestone® Potenza™ S-04 Pole Position™ (82.05 sec. avg. lap time), Continental® ExtremeContact™ DW (81.72 sec. avg. lap time), Pirelli® P ZERO™ (81.55 sec. avg. lap time), and Goodyear® Eagle® F1 Asymmetric 3 (81.22sec. avg. lap time) in tire size 255/35ZR19 96Y using a 2016 AUDI S5 Coupe 3.0 TFSI 333 hp. Actual on-road results may vary."
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all these TH-cam guys went to this. this is the only one who learned and shared anything.
Texas Car Nerd he's great at these reviews isn't he?
Jason, MCM and ChrisFix are some of the last good car TH-camrs out there. Too many others like someone who's name rhymes with PJ Funt.
Michelin should get this guy to promote their tires, don't need all those other TH-camrs
This is unrelated but when I saw 2 youtubers blew off being served by Michelin star chefs I kind of wanted to scream at the screen. Getting to sit at a chefs table of a world class chef is a rare and unique opportunity that most people will never experience. The idea of dismissing something so rare I just can't imagine. I guess it's not for everyone but others of us pay north of $500 a person for something like that.
They were influences, not all car guys. I suggest you listen to the smoking tire podcast, Matt Farah talked for about 15 minutes about the event and the tires.TLDR; he said there's no difference with the car he drove.
15mins and already people complaining about the video sponsored. How does it matter if it is sponsored or not if it gives us more car related content?
his conclusions might be biased. But Michellin has been leading the charge for a long time now, also the raw stats proove his points. People, who dislike product placement, tend to forget, how good it can be, if noone is fooled...
Satwik Basu It really doesn't matter at all. My guess is what has people annoyed is the idea that this video was basically a commercial for Michelin Pilot Sport 4 tires. Usually Engineering Explained videos entail things like what not to do in a CVT or how AWD works. This video was far from the usual format. I know I personally hate commercials and see enough of them everywhere else. I'm not going to waste time complaining I'd rather just unsubscribe.
Bias
It's sponsored in the right way. Michelin brought in pretty much everybody on TH-cam car media, and made a very public event. No "behind the doors" stuff.
I use Pilot Sport 4 on my daily driver and I’m blown away at the levels of grip that can be achieved by a quiet, comfortable, well behaved tyre.
I can’t begin to imagine what the 4S must be like
I hear you lose a bit of comfort and quiet with the 4s from the 4 all season, but the dry performance is enhanced.
Tires are very important but people will spend on expensive exhaust and engine mods but will use cheapo tires
Underrated comment.
And then wonder why they can't hold power down
Seriously. When I first learned to drive and used to try to drive fast in the hills where we lived. My Dad, he said to me, Always have respect for your machine. Dont unnecessarily push it to the limits. Remember all that is between you and the ground is a bit of rubber and some air. So make sure your tyres are always in top condition and with the proper pressure in them. And properly balanced and aligned as well. Look after these essentials and keep looking for sidewall cracks and other such. A tyre, like anything else, deteriorates over time. So it is sensible to change them as they age and become harder and less pliable even though they may not have run all that many kilometers. The last thing you want is a blowout at speed!
It’s cause they gunna “drift” lmao jk 😂
i dunno man, i see a lot of people cheap out on EVERYTHING.
This aramid - nylon belt is actually produced in Emmen. A small city in the Netherlands, happens to be my hometown. Great to see this tire is loved all over the world. Great video, keep up the good work!
Nicely done Jason. We should have had you teaching that session. Next year, let do it. Great meeting you at the event. The tire is honestly great! Thanks #MichelinUSA
+DoctaM3 great meeting you too!
Both of you guys did great!
Great video Jason! Michelin definitely seems to be at the top of the tire industry right now. It must have been a blast to test them out.
You can tell someone was waiting for a video to upload when... lol
subaruwrxfan Ayy it's Matt!
Michelin has always been at the top of the tyre industry. In fact, they actually created the tyre industry.
+MarKassiN actually no.If you read tyre test, you will see that every year there is a different manufacturer on top.This year is Michelin, next year maybe Pirelli or Continental or GY... will have the top tire.
I am so glad that someone from the youtube community actually talked about the tyres! Thank you.. Yes the cars were cool but it's nice to hear about the tyres and how the reacted in real world circumstances.. These are on my list for sure..
Definitely getting a set of these before my trip to Spa in May.
Thank you! Definitely the most in-depth video I've seen, but still very concise.
Great video, I was interested in hearing more about the ps4s since they were announced so this was on point.
The only youtuber to come back and give us real information!.. the rest were either drunk or chilling. Thanks for sharing.
Always bought PSS for my cars, thanks for this video. It was very informative for my next purchase👍🏽
Damn commericals.
Just kidding. Your videos are very educational and I know you don't work for free.
It's not a commercial, I wasn't paid nor required to make this video. Even if I was, it wouldn't change my approach.
Engineering Explained i think he meant the ad that came before
Engineering Explained great video btw. Although I have two questions. Are the new Michelin pilot sport 4 s tires faster in the dry than the old super sport? I couldn't find any comparison on michelins website to confirm or deny this. And is the new bi-compound construction now 40% dry grip oriented compared to the old ss which was only 20% dry oriented. And what I'm referring to is only the outer 1/5 of tread blocks was a dry compound on the ss and judging by your video the ps4s the outer 2/5 is dry compound. Thank you so much again for your videos.
Yes, quicker in the dry than the SS tire. They quoted a 0.16 sec lap time improvement over the previous tire.
But how do we know that saying "I wasn't paid" was a part of the sponsoring contract? It's a conspiracy! Lol just kidding.
Best coverage of this event so far. It's amazing how much optimisation is still possible. Would've been interesting if they had included the previous version of the tyre in the data/tests as well.
Thank you!! They did include some data comparisons versus the previous tire at the event - though I don't recall all of the numbers. I think the dry lap time improvement was 0.16 seconds, which doesn't sound like too much, but in racing that's a huge lap advantage. Edit: They also mentioned a 7% improvement in the wet braking.
Thank you for this informative video, I appreciate your patient and thorough explanation. I'm currently running PSS on both my cars (AMG GT and M140i) but I'll go on to these new rubbers when it's time to change.
Can the ps4s run 4K 60fps?
Christian R not as well as the Pirelli PC-ro
Thanks Jason! Definitely my next summer performance tire once my stock ones wear out!
Great video as usual! I can't wait to change over to these next time I need to replace my tires.
Exceptional review. About to start road racing and this review has given me a unique insight into the science vs the hype. Will purchase these tires or the cup 2 for my 66’ Mustang Restomod.
Very good discussion on the new product PS4. This fellow usually does a great detailed jobs on discussion the technologies for cars.
been rolling michelins for 8 years now, never had any issues with my tires! Definitely a michelin fan
I just purchased ps4S they are wonderful tires best noise road reduction, awesome handling & always get compliments on how beautiful the tires look!!!
Really helpful! I'll be putting some of these on my Porsche now
you sold me on the STi watching your video i purchased an STi in HYPER BLUE 1 OF 700.....
11K MILES of very aggresive driving wore out the stock Dunlop Sport Maxx out ------ in the front
mostly at The Tail of the Dragon
Just orders these tires on 4/12/2018
my brother has the super sports and loves them, can't wait
just this morning ordered a set of Michelin Pilot Sport 4s
Thank you my friend
absolutely enjoy your videos
Hi, Great review. Thanks. I have a question though. How was the noise and comfort as compared to others in the same class and as compared to all-season tires class?
Also Michelin has an incredible business model. I've never seen so much hype over a tire, good for them and their marketing team. And they actually put up good numbers behind their marketing, so few companies do that. Massive respect for them as of now, and they set a good example for others to follow.
Great job and knowledge bro !!!
great video !!1 so is the steering response slower on the PS4s then the PSS ? as I am reading that the sidewalls on the PS4s are softer then the PSS?
+Engineering Explained Just got the Michelin PS4S for summer tyres here in Sweden to my SEAT Leon Cupra MK3 (Stage 1). Many thanks for the video, superb and technical review as always. That was my main reason for ordering them ;)!
Great video!! Michelin is in a class by themselves! i will be getting the tires 4 my new Audi!! Thanks again, Michael C..cool
You just saved me a lot of time and research effort. Thanks! When I got my 350Z about 3.5 years ago I put Super Sports on it for the summer, and something else in the winter, and got over 50,000 km out of them. After this winter season is over I'm going to need new summer tires, and I haven't had time yet to research whether or not their new tire was actually better. I'm very glad to see it is, otherwise I would've been in the dark as to what to buy. The Super Sports were great! Never been more happy with a tire than I was with them. Looking forward to the new tires. I wish they had put the Super Sport in all the same tests just so we could see what the difference was.
Great video, and level of detail. Any word on a what a set of them shoes are worth? I would think in the neighborhood of $2000 Canadian for common sizing
Is it possible for you to make a video explaining different tread patterns and different treads? Keep up the good work sir :)
You can put your ad at the rear to avoid negativity. - One thing you did not mention is Ps4S higher mileage and a lower cost than the sticky PSScup2 as found on Corvette Zo6.
Exactly right there, the 4s is better bang for your buck.
Really enjoy your videos, you should do a review of the focus RS
I wait for a year for the R16" version and finally it's here. My next tire to go definitely.
PSS came on my V60 Polestar and they are great tires. They can be a little noisy but the grip is unreal. I can't wait to try the 4s and I hope noise levels are better
great info. This channel is very good
I got these last summer and their great, ride comfort and noise is really good considering I switched from Eagle F1s my 16 Focus ST came with.
love your stuff man
Another great video. Keep em comin!!!
I just got this tires AS relative the Pilot A/S3+. Michelin make incredible products. I'd love to see a video about the AS 3+!
Thanks for the video! Might upgrade to these after using my Sony PS4s defiantly worth the money
thanks for the vid -- wish that did a comparison with the old PSSs though.
Nicely done .. thanks ..
I’m thinking about these tires for my 2013 Lexus GS30 (245\45\18) .. I’m biggest concern is comfort .. I’m just doing regular cruising almost all the times .. not much fast driving .. advice please /
Hey dude I really appreciate your work and I do watch your videos. It helps a lot in my studies. Will you please post videos related Aerodynamic and Active Aerodynamic? Thanks.
Thanks! Excellent work.
I run pilot super sport tires and love them to death night and day compared to my stock tires.
I can't wait to purchase these successor.
oh I drive a 13 Civic Si lol
Jason: Great video as always. Question, where are the tires made?
These videos are awesome!
Thanks for the info!
Engineering Explained Please do a video about the new all weather tires with the 3PMSF severe weather certification such as Michelin CrossClimate and Vredestein Quatrac.
Very nice presentation. You did justice to the tire and the tests without sounding like you sold your soul to Michelin.
Happy to hear it!
Yes, these tires are freakin amazing. Talk about dominating the competition in its class.
Can the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3 Plus be used for light track or autocross drives? Or for HPDE?
this kind of educational channel must be well paid!
Very, I mean very well done video!
Can you do a video about cup 2? Absolutely love it on the track when street legal tires is required, how does it compare to competition?
Great video!!! Were there any comparisons between the old super sports and these? Curious of the performance improvement.
+CarGuy11 there were, but I don't recall all of the numbers. 7% improvement in wet braking, and 0.16 sec lap time improvement were the two I remember.
i run the pilot super sports on my RCZ and it transformed the car . next set to go on will be the pilot sport 4s , well worth it by the sounds of it
Currently running 245/45/20 front 275/40/20 rear on Goodyear eagle sport tires. Would you recommend me going to a boxed setup and going with a more performance related tires? My cars also been lowered enough to clear all wheel gap but has enough travel to not rub, on BC Coilovers.
Thanks for the info, looking to purchase a set for E92 M3 soon, need all the input I can get.
What camera do you use? it looks soo nice!
Which tires are best for Los Angeles roads in your opinion . I just bought a used 2016 corvette stingray convertible with no z51 package. I have magnetic suspension and it is very comfortable. Even with these OEM RFT super sports its still extremely comfortable compared to others. I am only looking at Michelin tires and still do not know which to choose. ZP, 4s, ps2, or maybe the all season tires. I am not going on the track or driving in the rain. Comport is the most important and I guess performance is a little less important. Which one would you recommend and how much more comfortable are they from the RFT super sports that I am driving on right know? I am also open to other brands if they are better. Thank you
Any idea how the Bridgestone RE-71R would compare to the Pole Position and PS4S? Debating what tires to get for my Miata... I noticed you got the RE-71R for your S2000. I reckon the Michelin is probably more comfortable though?
so with an asymmetric compound, is it bad to adjust your camber for better cornering as you are not loading up the softer edge compound as much?
i copped them a second ago so excited for next summer
I just got the Super Sports on 04 Mach 1. I replaced the standard Eagle tire that I never loved. Whoa. The difference was astounding. Road noise dropped. (I realize a worn out tire will always be louder than fresh rubber.) Grip and drive ability skyrocketed. The Goodyears lasted a long time but that was the only great thing about them. The SS's grab and bite hard when pushed. If I go to kick the rear end out, I love how predictable every moment feels with all that grip waiting to grab again. I don't need or want to add to the stigmata of mustang drivers.
Can you make a video about the new Yaris engine, or is there not much to talk about? Are there videos about its technologies?
Interresting. I run Bridgestone tires on my performance bike for several years in a row now and they stick like hell, especially when heated up by challenging bike and tires (??). On my TVR Tuscan I run economic Toyo Proxess tires. Since the have a short lifespan on that car, I´m happy with them, too.
Do you have any idea how these perform in straight line acceleration? You know, for those of us drag racing types rather than autocross types.
Also, do you have any idea where I can find comparison of "lesser brand" tires? For example, I run Nitto 555 on my Mustang and would like to see how they stack up to some of these high end tires.
nice video, on my e63, ive been running 295 30 19s PSS for almost 30000 miles in rear....stock size is 285 but not available in pss....even with a tad bulgy on my 9.5 inch rear wheels its still been a better performer than the p zero the car came with...
the fronts on the other hand, was victim to a little much of neg camber from amg and wore on inside
Great information! Can you comment on the difference between vehicle-specific models of a tire and the standard version? For example, I'm running the stock M2-specific PSSs that came with my M2. Would switching to a non M2-specific version of the PS4S negate some of the benefits of the new tire technology? For the cars used in the Michelin demo, there was a mix of car-specific versions of tires along with off-the-shelf versions of competitor tires. Any thoughts?
As far as switching to a non-brand specific, the manufacturers have tested the tires with their specific vehicles and requested certain changes about the tire to better fit with their vehicle design (whether it's in regards to the suspension variables, steering feel, etc.). With regards to the tires used in testing, I do not know if they develop a specific tire for the BMW 340i (I know they do for the M cars, but it may differ).
Another great vid, but if only you saw my comment on the last video! (maybe you did...maybe it was too late...) but if that thermal camera would have any indication to show tire temperature distribution and help give reason to why the PS4S performed better when hot!
Is there any sense in installing these on my 2018 Impreza Sport (NOT a WRX)? I love to thrash it around twisty mountain roads and despite its modest power (152hp) it’s a really fun and sensible car. If I’m not going to be driving over 170km/h on a track, etc, will I get much benefit?
I run P-zeros. Glad to see the tires I'm upgrading to are an improvement. These P-zeros dont last long too.
Im replacing the stock tires on my WRX today. Thx for the video. Gonna pick a set of these up
Right on! I think you'll love it!
Zak Unknown did you get them on yet? I ordered a set, but live in the northeast, so I still have to wait a couple more weeks to try them, grrrrrr!
Yeah. took 3 days to get in from discount tire. They had a hard time getting them though. Havent been able to really test them yet. live in Ohio :/ been pretty cold. Good luck friend!
Zak Unknown thanks!
did they tell you what pressures were used when you tested those?
do you believe at those used pressures were best for current test car/setup?
would you recommend these tires for my Golf R if i never go to a track? are they over kill?
thanks for posting
Whats the best all weather tire? I live in the PNW like you and always wanna stay ready for the random rain and snow we get.
Any chance we might see the MPS4s compared with the Continental Sport Contact 6 and the Extreme Contact Sport in the future?
What sort of feedback do these tires give at the limit before traction loss? Is it progressive with ample warning or a sudden drop? Just curious because that's a pretty important thing to be aware of when buying tires for my style of driving. I like to have signs of a limit rather than going over without knowing.
love ur vids man
Thanks Ryan - love your positive comment!
I run Michelin PSSes and they are great, particularly the treadlife for this category of tire.
Really? ever review where someone actually drove their car hard with a set of summer tires according to tire rack says no max or extreme performance summer tire will last and pss' get eaten by camber wear.
teh vee teh vee Yep, really. And these aren't track tires; they're performance daily driver tires. And I drive/setup for performance, not stance. Maybe the stance guys should choose another tire; I don't know. I've never heard of that issue. But, like I said, my car isn't setup for "looks" but functionality.
Numinous a couple of degrees of camber is not stance. Any and every performance vehicle has negative camber dialed in ,where passenger cars run a little bit of positive camber. A couple degrees of camber isn't 'stance' and many manufacturers require 2-3 degrees of negative camber for the best performance, eg Toyo r888's. Judging on your review , I doubt you drive your tires hard man and not having the numerical data to back up the tires longevity claim doesn't help your opinion or answering my question. The majority of people in those reviews lied to themselves, hence why I am asking you! Because Michelin's 30k warranty doesn't apply to cars with any camber, so the people hyper miling these tires aren't even putting them to work.
teh vee teh vee I've had no issues and run a performance level of camber. And my tires definitely get worked, from both canyon carving and the 385/380 @ the wheels that I put down in my Speed 3.
-3 degrees on a standard car is completely excessive. I'd like to see a manufacturer's spec on a "normal" car that calls for -3 degrees camber, LOL. That's actually beyond a performance-DD setting of camber, according to the race shop that does my alignements and does tracking events/track support virtually every single weekend of the year.
I wonder if you realize that toe settings can have a major impact on excessive edge wear? Like I said, I've loved my PSSes and have many buddies who have run them too. Not a single one had the issue you mentioned. And we drive our cars like we stole them.
I am on my second set of super sports now. First set was trashed after 16k miles. I had -3 degrees of camber. Will probably not go with super sports in the future.
Hey Jason, can you give some info about wheel sizes, please?
I wonder when will wheel size increment stop? Is there a limit? What is the best wheel size. Does the body geometry decides the optimal wheel size? When will production passenger vehicles (not SUVs) have 20+ tires? Why did manufactures start making cars with 14-" wheels back in the stone age? Why are now 18" and 19" tires in the market? I'm confused and curious.
Can you give me some history and math about this topic?
hey i got a question i got a 2005 mustang v6 aluminum block 2 valve per cylinder im doing upgrade to the motor i want to put a procharger to make more power i want to know whats the limit on the aluminum block when i add more boost i want to add more boost like 15 to 19 psi but i dont want to blow the moter up so if u have time to asnwer question it very much appreciated and yes ill be upgrading from 2 valve to a 4 valve gas pump fuel rail and fuel injection
Do tuners ever put the Exaust near the driving tires in cold climate to heat up the compound? Thought about this today when the heat from the Exaust heated up my feet this morning when loading my dog's in the SUV.
Great explanation of PS4S technology, but by inside and outside are you referring to the car, or the turn? If the latter, the effect seems specific to the outside of the tire on the OUTSIDE of a turn. Wouldn't the opposite occur on the outside of the tire on the INSIDE of the turn, thus deriving no benefit from the dual compound technology? I know there is centrifugal weight transfer during cornering, but is the outside tire so much more important in turns, that the opposite effect on the inside tire can be discounted? In a very flat, low slung car the inside tire still carries a lot of load, so the effect should be bi-directional, I think.
2 track days on my michelin ps4 plus street driving (smaller size ps4s for 17" wheels on s2000 )
Amazing tires. On street and on track, they're no slicks.. but amazing as you see on my videos
No drama on the track
It was great that you have met a lot of TH-camrs in there.
It was awesome meeting everyone. I'd met most, but it was great to hang out. And have a little friendly autocross competition - Rob Ferretti killed it!
Silly question but here goes...what tire pressure would you start out with for tracking or autocrossing? .... Thanks.
Do you know the lowest temperature that Michelin recommends running this tire?
I struggle to find the best possible 19-20 inch Summer tyres for my BMW 535i xDrive 2012. What I am absolutely sure is though, I do not want any RFT!
There are 3 tyres in which I am interested (All w/o RFT) : PSS (*), PS4s (w/o *), Conti SC6 (w/o *)
The only "Star-Tyre" without RFT is the Michelin Pilot Super sport.
Do you recommend buying older-generation tyres WITH * or newer Generation WITHOUT * ???
Thank you
Nice vid! I'm getting some for the Evo X in the spring. The stockers were ok for stock but not worth $400.70 per tire new.
Man! You must have had a blast there! Wait.. This was from January? How have I not seen this until now? Would have been great to do this test on your S2000!
I imagine they won't be avaible for smaller dimensions, probably 18''+.. I was purchasing tires for my BMW e21 and Michelin Pilot Sport 3 was probably the best tyre to have in the 15'' department (for road use - no semislicks). As a light car with no ABS I must say that there is a massive difference between good tire and a bad tire, it just sucks that they are cutting down the dimension options for us, that don't roll a huge wheel... Great content, thank you for the video!
Would be great to see a review between the Ultra-High-Performance (UHP) All-Seasons top contenders like Continental DWS06, Michelin Pilot A/S 3+ etc.
Thanks!
just saw your feature on Gears and Gasoline. Realized your crosstrek didnt have spacers, I know it is not necessary but what was your thought about adding (20mm) spacers on cars (I have '17 WRX)?
+Jimmie Ang check out my video "wheel spacers." Personally I don't think they're a great idea unless it's your only method for clearance if you've messed with the suspension setup.
So cool! I'm cannot wait till I need to rubber! I'll prob only be able to get the PSS but still will be better than my pirelli cinturato p7 all season plus.