Proper interesting, another video with piles of info that's well condensed and easy to take in. Other channels would have taken 45mins to explain all of this.
@@tyrereviews Man 15 mins is not even long enough for a couple of cups of tea. Don't worry about the overall length when your rate of presenting info is this well adjusted; your audience is a bit more grown up than the youtube mainstream I'd imagine.
I start watching this channel a few years ago, vids are always very informative and nicely packed. But it also became kind of a routine to me. It's hard to explain. As seasons passes, vids switches from summer tyres to winter tyres on tracks with snow every where. And these shifts are following me along the way when i enter the differents seasons. I watch the winter test with a hot tea, a warm hoodie and it's kind of soothing. Then springs and summer comes and my habit changes, fresh drinks, fan running to cool me down. It's like a clock who give you from time to time a reminder of the season you're in.
Just wanted to thank you for your excellent work with these videos! I recently bought a new-to me car and when the time for a new set of tires came, your videos were a game changer. I went with 4 Goodyear eagle F1 asymmetric 5's based on one of your recent ones and the difference from the P7's is night and day! Thanks for the effort mate, keep it up! 🤙🏼🤙🏼
One thing to add is longevity. I got 20k miles out of the PSS and 30k miles on the PS4S over similar driving conditions with a F80 M3. I replaced the PS4S with the same tire not because the tread was gone but the compound had gotten hard after 3 years and grip levels had diminished. (I estimate I was within 6 months of the tread wearing out). Highly recommend the PS4S.
@@tyrereviews Can you please talk (again, I know) to Michelin, that we beg them to bring the PS4S in the 18 inch sizes to the European markets? Thank you.
Great video as always and very informative. I have put a set of Michelin PS4Ss on my 981 GT4, I've kept the Cup 2's that were previously on the car for track work. I can confirm the PS4Ss are great on the GT4 and I can now drive it in all our glorious UK weather conditions without worrying about anything that wet conditions can throw at you when using Cup 2s.
I fined it incredible how much detail you go through in these videos!! You truly do love tyres and understand every aspect of how they work. Exceptional 👍
@@shamschandani4380 I Had "normal" P-Zeros from year 2018. PS4S:s are from totally different planet! Grip level is superb! in all weather and surface. Specialy in wet. Noise level is to my ears quite similar, Comfort level is better.
Thank you for this interesting review. On my BMW M3 E92 I just changed from Michelin PSS aftermarket to PSS OE and noticed a big improvement. It's still a great tyre, for the next change I will go for the PS4S.
@Faggot Rotten yes, my m235i has it's own version of PSS as well. All the PS4S' are back ordered here in socal so I just ordered OE PSS' Today. We'll see how this goes because I absolutely loved the PS4S'...
You legend! I say that if one has manually adjustable suspension, don’t be afraid to deviate from OE tyres for newer off-the-shelf tyres. You can compensate handling differences by adjusting dampers and geo.
I got the sense the front end floatiness of the gitisport in particular were probably attributable to camber and caster settings at the front. It's a tyre that probably wants / needs a more aggressive front end setup.
Thanks for another brilliant review video! I'm really looking forward to the track tire comparison. I'd really appreciate a tire shoot out under these current european winter conditions (wet 5-10°C, no snow and ice). That would be absolute awesome!
And PLEASE, when you finally do do the trackday tyre test, don't forget to include the budget trackday tyres like Zestino Gredge, Federal 595 RS-R, Nankang NS-2R or Ar1, Yokohama AD08 RS etc... That would be massively interesting. Anyway thanks for this awesome video, keep up the good work!
@@tyrereviews Thanks! Please try to include the Zestino in the test. They are super cheap trackday tyres and I wonder how they stack up against the competition.
@@jurajhrivnak4638 I used them recently at cadwell Park. Them bought some new wheels which had ns2r on them. Dry grip I rate I the zestino above the ns2r. Gets up to temp faster and has better heat resistance. As to be expected the ns2r were crap in the wet...not tried the zestino but for 350 quid for a set of 4 in 265/35/18 im impressed
I’ve had PSS on my car, now I tell paved them with PS4. Looked up values on different tests in different countries. The noise level is better, somewhat lower fuel consumption, bit better comfort, noticeable better grip in turns. The PSS, although the older and inferior tyre was available at a slightly higher price than the PS4 so it was an easy decision to make and am very happy with the decision. The tyres have been driven only on public roads so far, no track yet. Thanks for the great review, glad it confirmed my opinion too 😋
I am glad you put the caveat that "your car may be different". My last Porsche, a 2007 Boxster S, after many replacement sets of the N spec PSS, I finally tried the P4S non N-spec. It was cheaper, and on paper, better in every way. However, I found the ride to actually be harsher, understeer went up, and steering sharpness decreased. I was shocked, especially as I expected the ride to be better, yet it was not. To be clear, it was the way the car transferred small bumps into the car, like going over a gap in the pavement that I really felt with the P4S, not over-all ride quality. It's replacement the 2015 Boxster S is still on its N-spec Pirelli rubber, and for it's job as a daily it works great, but when it is time, I will have to make the same leap of faith again and there is something to knowing how the N-spec will feel that gives comfort. The GT4 will likely always have its N-spec Cup2s...those tires are just incredible and fit the mission.
Difficult to answer that question. OE tyres are always that compromise between price and best performance for that particular car model. It's easy to find better tyres than the OE, but even easier to buy other tyres which doesn't add to the overall performance.
Really interested to see the track day review between cup and 888r. Also, on my hill climb car I use the extreme VR2, would be interested to see a review on them against a 888r. Another great video with loads of info thanks.
Mate, these are brilliant videos. Well done to you. I stumbled across this channel yesterday, looking for new tyres for my Golf (decided on Goodyear F1 Asymmetric 5 thanks to your reviews), but am 15+ vids in now and loving your frank and objective analyses. I now know way more about tyres now that I ever thought I would.
My 2016 Audi A3 came with Pirrelli run flats and shopping for tires is hard as i feel there must be better tires but reading reviews and watching videos the data seems all over the place. I like your recommendation for transparency with the changes in the OEM tires as that would make the choice alot easier
I have a M135i rear drive. I still get the OEM Michelin Pilot Super Sports here in Australia and after 200,000kms have never used anything else. In fact we can’t get the PS4S in that size and that’s why I assume they keep brining in the PSS.
If there is someway you can test on the OE tyres.. Something like the Hyundai i30N was developed & came out with the Pirelli P-Zero's But yet many owners have complained about those & have fitted the Michelin PS4S. Saying it makes a huge difference.. I'm sure there are other cars that also have OE spec tyres, but yet a different brand of tyre might be better... Great video as always. Appreciate the effort that goes into making these..
Can't wait the for track test between the Cup 2, Trofeo R, r888r and the GTR3. I run a track day tyre all year round so will be interested if I keep the Cup 2 I currently have and love or go something difference especially if there is a significant price difference as they are not cheap to replace. I've learnt more from watching your videos than any other source of information keep it up.
Great video! In my opinion, the oem marked tire is not automatically (even when the car gets freshly released with it) the "best" tire for the car. It is the tire, that makes the car behave like the manufacturer prefers, or intends it to do within the capabilities of that specific tire manufacturer. "Best" is too subjective for that i think, everybody has a different opinion on what is best. Maybe you prefer more comfort, or maybe you prefer pointier steering as the manufacturer... I have never had any issues with non oem marked ones, as long as i used quality tires. I mean i put AO winter tires on a small Mercedes SUV, and they are great. (4 winters now, absolute no complaints) I put non oem marked Michelin summer tires on the same car to replace the Pirelli MO ones, and i prefer how the car ddrives with these Michelins by far. (of course in this case it could just be that the Pirelli's felt bad as they were 4 years old, but the difference was extreme.)
Great review as always, just changed Oe Audi hankook tyres on my tts for Goodyear super sports. Let’s just say it’s a different car now with virtually no understeer. Your reviews really helped me make a decision on what to buy. Keep it up mate
Tyre Reviews thanks for another informative video! Was hoping to see the MPSS against its replacement! I think overall - in UK weather - the PS4S is probably the one to have, but good to know that the MPSS is still a very good tyre.
You make a good point that a tyre may be * marked, but 1. Which BMW was it star marked for and 2. Several years down the line whether the *ryness been updated (Like N1, N2...) PS Ha! PS, how appropriate! I went with the Michelin PS4 S for my e61 M5 and I am very happy with them, but due to lockdown only a few hundred miles so far. Thank you for the reviews. Keep em comin. Eg Michelin CrossClimate 2 vs Eurowinters in citycar size (to persuade non-believers that a one tyre solution will help save them from embarrassment when it snows this winter)
This explains a lot. I think I read The fiesta ST came with PSS then has been updated to PS4 for the Performance Edition, which rides better........ Good work Sherlock!
Great work as usual Jon. I run a 15yr old Boxster and the two OE approved tyres from Pirelli and Bridgestone are now 20yr old technology and seemingly haven’t been updated, which seems ridiculous.
12:17 Yes, please! Without knowing what has changed between the after-market tyre and the OE rated tyre, the OE specification smells like marketing rubbish. Surely it isn’t just marketing, but we don’t know until we know. Anxiously waiting to hear about what you can find out :-)
The King 👑 back at it nice work. I’m still looking after those Michelin pilot super sports on a white M2 Competition Due to lockdown it’s home and clean a lot more 😉 😁
The original delivered summer tires (forgot brand and model) had heavy saw tooth problems on my Golf VI with 118 kW. So I switched to Conti Sport Contacts and later to Premium Contacts.
Well done, as always. What you should really do is compare the much-hated Conti SportContact 3 that Michelin fitted to some M2's against the MPSS. I wonder how it would do.
Hi, that's a great video as usual, but I've got to bring up the tyre pressure issue again. Of course the standard recommended pressures will be right for the OE tyre, but there's absolutely no guarantee that they are going to be best for the PS4S. It's a completely different tyre. I really do think it would be well worth trying a few pressure variations to see if you can bring the very best out of tyres you test. It would be really interesting too.
I look forward to the track day tyre vid! I'm only in a Civic EP3 but I look to be doing some track days at Anglesey and Oulton and even some nurburgring work very soon.
Amazing review as always. I fitted the ps4s on my 340i which came with run flat potenza stock which were awful. The difference was night and day far more comfort launch control now works even after a remap and cheaper to buy!
I am actually surprised that the PSS* was a little bit faster than the 4S on the dry. Good video as always, it is a shame that no one does this kind of tests for motorcycle tyres, as OEM tyres are even more common on motorcycles I would say.
Honestly, the Pirelli P Zero summer tires should have been in this comparison test. The Pirelli tires are OEM on so many high end sports cars and sedans. I would have loved to see the differences of Michelin vs Pirelli on this test.
My Peugeot 208 came with Michelin Energy Savers (I think the non-Plus variant). I upgraded to Michelin CrossClimate+ all round two years back, partly because I wanted something better suited to a wide range of conditions, but also because I believed that tyre technology had come on in six years. They certainly didn't feel any worse in any particular aspect, and having that extra confidence in winter meant money well spent. The fact they're also rated much better in terms of rolling resistance (peculiar given the 208's focus on efficiency) is a bonus.
Cheers, with my PSS about to hit 2mm or less in areas I've been undecided to replace with PSS just on the rears as the fronts are good still. But PS4S seems to have the wet advantage, comfort and sound. Hope it doesn't make my M2 boring though, breaking traction is fun!
Yeah, I remember when I had the PSSs I had to drop the tire pressure to 2.0BAR instead of the recommended 2.3BAR (front axle). With the PS4 I can keep it at 2.1. I know it's just 0.1bar which is not even 1.5PSI, but the difference is noticeable. Also on public streets where dust and small debris are not uncommon the PS4 (there is no S option in Europe for my Mazda 3MPS BK and I will not go 19" just for that) seems to be more consistent and less upset by any of these impurities.
Thank you. I have just gone through this with my Porsche. In the end, the OE tyres are not available so I went with Yokohama Advan Sport. Very grippy but not as comfortable. All things considered, a good compromise.
I went for the aftermarket 4S after the PSS on my '18 F82 wore out. Could not be happier with its all-around performance. I understand from my BMW dealer that the star marked 4S that is now OEM on the G8x wouldn't work on my F82 due to it being a bespoke tire for the new gen car and that I was better off getting the generic aftermarkets.
Would love to see a comparison video between Cup2 MO and Cup2* on a BMW M2. I am a car guy also a vehicle dynamic guy work in car manufacture. I really like all your videos, there are still many tyre myths that need to be answered, you are doing a great job explaining the black magic to the general public in detail and in style :)
Hi I haven't tried the cup 2 BMW but I have used the og cup 2 and N0 N1 K1 K2 and the M0. The M0 (mercedes) has very similar wet performance to the og cup 2. It might actually be even better than the og. The compound seems harder than the OG and the Ferrari and Porsche compounds. The side wall also seems able to handle heavy weights/loads very slightly better than the tires designed for lighter cars like ferrari and Porsche. My Camaro weighs 3700lbs and wears 285-295 fronts and 305 rears. The M0 needs more time to get to perfect temperature than the other cup2s but also deals with heavy abuse better. This is not scientefic fact it's just my experience after running them in my car on street autocross and track. Hope this helps. We all wish for the day when manufacters should just straight up say what they did to make the oe tire.
I had something like that on a 320Cd M sport with 18" wheels. Had Potenza RE050A with star * and put Conti Sport Contact 5P MO in the rear as a replacement. The handling changed completely!! The car felt looser in the rear. Fun at low speeds but scary at high speeds. I do not recommend
Thanks for this, as I prefer older cars, with fewer electronic aids, but still want the part connecting the vehicle to the road to be the best it can be.
Great. You answered My question to you some 1,5 year ago 👍. Now you made yourself another video opportunity by comparing a oem ps4s with an aftermarket dito.
Another awesome video, very interesting to see and it's a good thing that you have pointed out the problem with OE then going aftermarket tires. Great content, can't wait for track day tires, I hope you went super deep into it :) Cheers!
Thanks for another great video! I have been asking for this for a few times already, but I would like like to see/hear your view on tire aging. Maybe some tire manufacturer or reseller has a set of 5 old winter or sommer tires which can be comparet to a brand new tire on track and road. I know there are some rules that you should not buy an older tyre (5 years +) and use a tire older than 10 years - but I never saw someone test the effects on grip and daily driving or even track driving.
Love the ps4s but got the second set with nails, screws in it and after a half of life are noisey and split on inside. Handling for road tyre is amazing
Been following this channel for a while now and love all the testing. Not sure if you've done this before but could you do a road legal dedicated track tyre comparison such as with the Toyo R888, Yokohoma Advan, and Dunlop DZ03
Amazing video Jon, as always. Have you ever considered to do a video comparing a NORMAL car w/ oe tyres vs same car w/ uhp tyres? I mean... 150-200hp normal cars... I installed mps4 on my bmw 120d, wich comes standard with bridgestone potenza S001 runflatd. It has REALLY changed the way the car drives and it FEELS a lot faster. But.. is it only a feeling? Or is it really a lot faster on a track? I think that it will be VERY INTERESTING to know. Thanks and keep up with the amazing work!!
@Tyre reviews, myself and a few others have put the non star-rated PS4Ss on our M4/M3s. I particularly had massive issues with the back of he car becomong completely disconnected from the front (Which were still MPSSs). Any slight left or right steering input at 100 would make the back end flop about like a dog's doodah. Yes they had good grip in a straight line but aweful and complete confidence killing anywhere else. The sidewalls are just so floppy. They feel like some FAlkens I put on a car years ago which leasted100 miles before they were binned. It worries me that others don't notice this - a few people agree though. Even my TC light would flashwhile taking a very shallow corner at 90+ Don't you notice it?
Maybe as the M2 is a lighter car with different sizes it was less of an issue. I understand what you are talking about, but certainly wasn't significant at roads speeds or flat out on track. I can't comment on the TC issue as I run TC off on track.
Interesting to go over a single generational tire, I would be curious to see one for a 10 year old car, if you can find an oe tire for that car compared to premium offerings of today like the ps4s or the goodyear offerings and compare that just to see how much tires have improved.
In 2 years, unless something happens, I need to change my SportContact 6 on my Type R. I hope, that by that time, the Michelin Cup2 Connect are available in 245/30 ZR20. Or I really do get a new set of wheels entirely. 245/35 ZR19 from the Type R Sport Line. But Michelin is looking tempting these days for summer tyres. For winter, I currently will stay with my Vredestein tyres. Michelin knows what they are doing in terms of sporty tyres. Not just car tyres, but motorcycle tyres as well. Tyre technology is always developing. It's only natural, that after a certain time, the OE tyres are not top of the top anymore for that particular vehicle. In the sport segment, that is even more noticable than in the touring segment. When I changed from the BT015 to the BTS20 on my Fireblade back in the days, it was like night and day, especially in the wet and on the track in hogh temperatures. The BT015 overcooked and became mushy in just a few laps, the S20 kept the grip for longer. With car tyres, it is similar, though I feel like, the current developement is slowing down a little. Especially with a couple of manufacturers like Bridgestone and Dunlop. That probably has also to do with motor sports involvement, since a lot of them have become, at least tyre wise, one make races. That might be more competetive, but it also slows down developement.
@@tyrereviews Oddly enough, for the Zype R's winter tyre size, 235/45 ZR18 the Cup 2 Connect are alread available. While 245/30 ZR20 is good for stearing feel, a bit meatier tyres add to comfort and wear resistance. At least from what I have seen other Type R owners experience, the 245/30 ZR20 quickly fall apart on the track. I think, I have to rewatch your video on the effect of tyre width. It's only 10mm difference on each side, but every time I switch between summer and winter tyres, I feel a big difference. Not just due to the rubber compound.
thanks a lot that is exactly what I would like to know! I own an M2 competition and I am thinking about switching to PS4S, and I think I probably will after watching this video.
M3 CS driver here. The car came with the PSS (configuration was locked, so even if the car was new I could not change anything). After a few "episodes" where the car just lost grip/control, I took the decision to change to Cup 2, because they are the only other tires that are "approved" and with "*" for the CS. More grip, but in wet&cold it's a handful to keep it on the road. I might go with PS4S when the next change comes up.
Great and informative video. I wonder how will be the comparison between PSS * marked vs normal PSS on M2. What I'v heard/read is that the star marked (*) have harder sidewalls. So maybe there will be differences in handling. Please share if you have any observations. Also the OE tyres have differences in the compound and the production process is monitored by the car manufacturer so you should expect higher quality control but I can not find any official information to back this up.
Hi, similarly my friend has gone from Pirelli to Hankook on his 320d & is complaining about losing ride comfort after having replaced them on the front. Incidentally he's had the Hankook on the rear for a year with no complaints (S1 Evo 3)
I love the AD08R's on my R53 and get away with them year round. I've heard the new AD08RS isn't as good but would like to see you throw that into the track/all year round review you mentioned at the end Great review as always
Hey awesome video further cements the idea of running 4s over oem pss on my RS. One suggestion for the video is to add to the corner what tire you're talking about as it's harder to watch if you miss when you switch tires.
What would be really interesting to learn is what performs better, the tire made for BMW, or the one made for Porsche, or that third version made for AMG? Maybe one day, you can do that test comparison.
Interesting video with the results unsurprising. A newer version of a tyre would be expected to have measurable improvements over the predecessor. To my knowledge there are only minor differences between an oem marked tyre and a non marked version - these are usually in relation to dimensional tolerances and other minor parameters and not fundamental differences. I would be interested if you compared oem vs non oem versions of the same tyre. I expect that they would not show much difference under road driving conditions with the non oem tyre being 10% cheaper!
Thank you for a great video! Ditched the bulging(!) tyre wall P-Zero in favor of running PS4S on my Carrera T. Even have 20" PS4 (non-S) on my Taycan. Do you know if there will be a 4S for my 4S😉? Winter tyres, my big interest living and driving Porsches north of the Arctic Circle, are you doing any evaluations on sporty winter tyres for Porsches and their likes? Running 2 sets on my Carrera T: Pirelli Sottozero friction tyres and studded Hakkapeliitaa H8’s. On the Taycan Hakkapeliittaa R3 friction tyres, which I haven’t really tested yet, just a small test run this March. Excited to see how they perform on such a heavy vehicle. Maybe studs are the way to go there also, but don’t think they have my Taycan’s size yet🤔
Yes! There is a 4S coming, it's been delayed until the end of this year or early next :( The R3s are a great friction winter tyre! The only other recent tyre I've used is the Michelin Pilot Alpin 5 (video on channel) but that's not extreme enough for you
Tyre Reviews I ran a PA (1?) on an -99 S4 back in the days and it worked just fine inland, but totally failure along the coast with varying temps from -15 to +5 during winter. I fear the PA5’s will be to slippery on our snow and icy conditions due to too hard rubber compound with emphasis on dry road handling
I run a 285 or 295 front and 305 rear tire on my Camaro 1le. This leads to different spec front and rear tires avalable. I have run K1, K2 , N0, N1 and M01 spec cup 2s on my Camaro SS 1le. There are noticable differences between all models of the tire. Starting with the older models the K1(458 spec) and NO(gt4) are darker and feel harder than some of the newer compounds. There is some kind of sidewall difference between them but it is subtle. The rubber is a deep jet black. The newer models K2(488 pista) and N1(991.2 gt3) are much lighter in color. More of a grey. It is not a subtle difference nor is the color difference from age. The N1 and K2 feel more agressive than a standard cup 2. The K2 also has far less tread lines than other cup 2 tire. The K2 is also the softest and grippiest even when compared to the N1 spec. Lastly the M01(mercedes) spec again has the deep black rubber. However the M0 definitely feels like it has a stiffer sidewall compared to the other tires designed for lighter cars. It is also the hardest compound and most wear resistant. It also takes longer than the k2 and N1 to get to operating temperature. Lastly I feel it has more tread lines than an standard cup 2. Hope this was slightly informative.
@@memememine1 Awesome information, thank you for the comment! If you ever get time feel free to leave some reviews on www.tyrereviews.com! Where do you do most of your track work? What you might be finding with the K2 for the Pista etc is that it's actually the Cup 2 R compound, just in a heavily OE'd Cup 2. Much like there's plenty of Cup 2 tyres with the Cup 2 Connect compound in out there, unmarked!
@@tire_reviews I do more autocrosses than track but this year I managed to sneak in one track day at buttonwillow. I usually autocross at crows landing. I went on track with 295 M0 and 305 N1. It felt amazing the +10 section width at the front complemented the grippy compound of the N1 at the rear and the car was balanced, had very strong turn in and maintined good stability. It was hot(100F+) and I ran 4, 20 minute sessions but the tires were amazing. On the hottest sessions in noticed some fall off in the last few laps. I was running around 37 psi hot on track as recommended for my car. Yeah after hearing the Ferrari cheater press cars a few years ago and now seeing a k2 cup 2 with what seems to be half the tread lines missing, I suspected the k2 was going to be pretty crazy. How much better is the cup 2 connect compound? I assumed it was the same but they just added a sensor. I know it's proprietary but wish all the tire companies would disclose things like stealth changes, and the differences between the oe tire codes. Edit: Haha hey I didn't realize you are the same Johnathan as in the video! Love your channel. I think you are doing amazing work testing and bringing more info about tires. Ill definitely checkout that site.
nomnomguy680 Yup, he’s the real Jonathan Benson 😆 It sounds like you’ve been through a few sets 😱 Your findings are exactly why I personally don’t mind the Porsche N system. If I buy sets of the same N tyres, even though they’re also staggered fitment, should be able to keep the excellent OEM balance in my Cayman GTS. No track stuff for me (other than Nurburgring laps) Years ago I used to run Goodyear GSD3 and kept getting odd ones at random. It ruined the car!
Thank you for all the time and effort you put into making this video and all the others in the channel. In the upcoming all seasons test, IF it is available in the size for the car you will be using, can you include the new Nokian Seasonproof which was announced 5 days ago? (Nokian say only some sizes are being launched in autumn 2020 and the rest in 2021).
That would be really interesting, it looks much less capable in the snow than the weatherproof (which worked perfectly in the snow like Real Winter tyres), due to less aggressive grooves in it, but nokian says its gotten better by a small margin. But perhaps its too late, in germany the retailers are getting the first seasonproofs end of September, the test is surely already recorded and just not uploaded already..
Loving these videos. Would love to see a thorough test on a Mitsubishi Evo with a variety of tyres. There's a lot of debate about the best fast road and track tyres out there with no real proof. Can you compare: Yokohama ADO8R Toyo R888R Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 5 Pilot Sport 4 And others you think would be a good comparison.
Nice video - it would be nice if you could show the full information from the sidewall of the tyre - in particular the construction details of the carcass and tread plies
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Great review. Sadly most people will replace the tyres on their new car with the ones that were on it originally. I am convinced that this is the ONLY reason the abominable Pirelli P6000 is sold.
One big thing is lots of manufacturers for ages used terrible tires from the factory. In the past 5? Ish years the manufacturers have finally started caring about tires
i´d love to see crossclimate+ vs cc2 - - - any allseasons test in general. EDIT: i´d like to hear if they are softer and less noisy. all i can do is cross fingers. i dont care much about long life.
I’ve got the Michelin PS4S on my R26 brilliant tyre. I have the Michelin Supersport on my B5 RS4 but are being replaced with Goodyear F1 asymmetrical 5 due to the Michelin SS cracking after 3 years. Wanted the Goodyear F1 supersport but couldn’t find them in 255/35/18.
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Measuring the weight of each tyre should be interesting for future comparison videos.
He usually does that already
Proper interesting, another video with piles of info that's well condensed and easy to take in. Other channels would have taken 45mins to explain all of this.
Thank you! I was worried about how long it was already, so that means a lot
@@tyrereviews Man 15 mins is not even long enough for a couple of cups of tea. Don't worry about the overall length when your rate of presenting info is this well adjusted; your audience is a bit more grown up than the youtube mainstream I'd imagine.
I start watching this channel a few years ago, vids are always very informative and nicely packed. But it also became kind of a routine to me. It's hard to explain. As seasons passes, vids switches from summer tyres to winter tyres on tracks with snow every where. And these shifts are following me along the way when i enter the differents seasons. I watch the winter test with a hot tea, a warm hoodie and it's kind of soothing. Then springs and summer comes and my habit changes, fresh drinks, fan running to cool me down. It's like a clock who give you from time to time a reminder of the season you're in.
I hope your tea is ready, all season coming soon :)
I own an F10 M5 and have gone from Pzero to MPS4S having read the overwhelming support for the new tyre. It is excellent.
Glad you like it!
Just wanted to thank you for your excellent work with these videos! I recently bought a new-to me car and when the time for a new set of tires came, your videos were a game changer. I went with 4 Goodyear eagle F1 asymmetric 5's based on one of your recent ones and the difference from the P7's is night and day! Thanks for the effort mate, keep it up! 🤙🏼🤙🏼
Glad to help!
One thing to add is longevity. I got 20k miles out of the PSS and 30k miles on the PS4S over similar driving conditions with a F80 M3. I replaced the PS4S with the same tire not because the tread was gone but the compound had gotten hard after 3 years and grip levels had diminished. (I estimate I was within 6 months of the tread wearing out). Highly recommend the PS4S.
That's great info, thank you :) If you get some time, feel free to leave a review on www.tyrereviews.com !
@@tyrereviews Can you please talk (again, I know) to Michelin, that we beg them to bring the PS4S in the 18 inch sizes to the European markets? Thank you.
wow. go buy a fiesta as your car is wasted on you, if you get 12k from tyres with that car you drive like a granny.
Good to know the comparison, but if you're getting that many miles in an M3 you really aren't making use of the car.
@@paulken1919 he can drive his car however he likes it is his car... be kind.... lifes to short to be unkind...
Best tire reviews on youtube, by far.
Anyone else doing Tyre Reviews should simply stop, The King has Spoken !
Great video as always and very informative. I have put a set of Michelin PS4Ss on my 981 GT4, I've kept the Cup 2's that were previously on the car for track work. I can confirm the PS4Ss are great on the GT4 and I can now drive it in all our glorious UK weather conditions without worrying about anything that wet conditions can throw at you when using Cup 2s.
I fined it incredible how much detail you go through in these videos!! You truly do love tyres and understand every aspect of how they work. Exceptional 👍
Thank you :)
Thank your informative test! I replaced my Pirelli P-Zero tires to Michelin PS4S Wow what a difference! They are fantastic!
Did you find PS4S better in comfort and noise? And which P-Zero you had? Because they have a few of them.
@@shamschandani4380 I Had "normal" P-Zeros from year 2018. PS4S:s are from totally different planet! Grip level is superb! in all weather and surface. Specialy in wet. Noise level is to my ears quite similar, Comfort level is better.
PSS: Road dry,wet / Track dry,wet....... all rounder avg. (in this context/comparison)
PS4S: Road dry/wet-comfort/performance, respectively/Track wet performance
GTR3: Track dry performance
Always brilliant reviews!!
Thank you for this interesting review.
On my BMW M3 E92 I just changed from Michelin PSS aftermarket to PSS OE and noticed a big improvement. It's still a great tyre, for the next change I will go for the PS4S.
@Faggot Rotten yes, my m235i has it's own version of PSS as well. All the PS4S' are back ordered here in socal so I just ordered OE PSS' Today. We'll see how this goes because I absolutely loved the PS4S'...
This is the video I’ve been waiting years for!!
I hope it doesn't disappoint!
Tyre Reviews they never do, your content is always great! You might remember I was asking you about this issues on insta not too long ago
You legend! I say that if one has manually adjustable suspension, don’t be afraid to deviate from OE tyres for newer off-the-shelf tyres. You can compensate handling differences by adjusting dampers and geo.
I got the sense the front end floatiness of the gitisport in particular were probably attributable to camber and caster settings at the front. It's a tyre that probably wants / needs a more aggressive front end setup.
Thanks for another brilliant review video! I'm really looking forward to the track tire comparison. I'd really appreciate a tire shoot out under these current european winter conditions (wet 5-10°C, no snow and ice). That would be absolute awesome!
And PLEASE, when you finally do do the trackday tyre test, don't forget to include the budget trackday tyres like Zestino Gredge, Federal 595 RS-R, Nankang NS-2R or Ar1, Yokohama AD08 RS etc... That would be massively interesting.
Anyway thanks for this awesome video, keep up the good work!
They're all on the list (apart from the Zestino, I'll look into that)
@@tyrereviews Thanks! Please try to include the Zestino in the test. They are super cheap trackday tyres and I wonder how they stack up against the competition.
Tyre Reviews try to find the yoko ad08r, the rs is rubbish
@@tyrereviews Is the Yokohama AO52 on the list?
@@jurajhrivnak4638 I used them recently at cadwell Park. Them bought some new wheels which had ns2r on them. Dry grip I rate I the zestino above the ns2r. Gets up to temp faster and has better heat resistance.
As to be expected the ns2r were crap in the wet...not tried the zestino but for 350 quid for a set of 4 in 265/35/18 im impressed
As a Gt86 owner I can certainly say that aftermarket is better than the oe tyre :))
😂😂
As a BRZ owner, I too can confirm this shocking statement
Prius owners don’t get the joke 😂
In fact, Prius owners don’t get many jokes at all 🧐
same as a BRZ owner, with the primacy hp price buy any tire set is just better lol😂
Niko Song
Clearly you didn’t either 🙈
Excellent and interesting video mate :-)
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@Eric Helminiak We’re all here to resolve our trust issues with tyres not girlfriends. Thanks anyway.
It is like you make these videos for me as a M2 owner, thank you so much for the video!
Glad they're useful :)
I’ve had PSS on my car, now I tell paved them with PS4. Looked up values on different tests in different countries. The noise level is better, somewhat lower fuel consumption, bit better comfort, noticeable better grip in turns. The PSS, although the older and inferior tyre was available at a slightly higher price than the PS4 so it was an easy decision to make and am very happy with the decision.
The tyres have been driven only on public roads so far, no track yet.
Thanks for the great review, glad it confirmed my opinion too 😋
Clear explanation, interesting subject, image quality: video after video, the quality of this channel increases. impressive. Well done.
Thank you very much!
I am glad you put the caveat that "your car may be different". My last Porsche, a 2007 Boxster S, after many replacement sets of the N spec PSS, I finally tried the P4S non N-spec. It was cheaper, and on paper, better in every way. However, I found the ride to actually be harsher, understeer went up, and steering sharpness decreased. I was shocked, especially as I expected the ride to be better, yet it was not. To be clear, it was the way the car transferred small bumps into the car, like going over a gap in the pavement that I really felt with the P4S, not over-all ride quality. It's replacement the 2015 Boxster S is still on its N-spec Pirelli rubber, and for it's job as a daily it works great, but when it is time, I will have to make the same leap of faith again and there is something to knowing how the N-spec will feel that gives comfort. The GT4 will likely always have its N-spec Cup2s...those tires are just incredible and fit the mission.
Nice pair of cars there :)
Fantastically informative review as always 👌🏼I’m looking forward to the upcoming reviews 👍🏼
Difficult to answer that question. OE tyres are always that compromise between price and best performance for that particular car model.
It's easy to find better tyres than the OE, but even easier to buy other tyres which doesn't add to the overall performance.
Really interested to see the track day review between cup and 888r.
Also, on my hill climb car I use the extreme VR2, would be interested to see a review on them against a 888r. Another great video with loads of info thanks.
Mate, these are brilliant videos. Well done to you. I stumbled across this channel yesterday, looking for new tyres for my Golf (decided on Goodyear F1 Asymmetric 5 thanks to your reviews), but am 15+ vids in now and loving your frank and objective analyses. I now know way more about tyres now that I ever thought I would.
Glad you like them!
I have the PSS on my M140i, fingers crossed Michelin will make the PS4S in my size and available in the UK. Or I might go Goodyear Supersport!
My 2016 Audi A3 came with Pirrelli run flats and shopping for tires is hard as i feel there must be better tires but reading reviews and watching videos the data seems all over the place. I like your recommendation for transparency with the changes in the OEM tires as that would make the choice alot easier
Another really great tyre review , lots of details that us petrol heads really want
I have a M135i rear drive. I still get the OEM Michelin Pilot Super Sports here in Australia and after 200,000kms have never used anything else. In fact we can’t get the PS4S in that size and that’s why I assume they keep brining in the PSS.
If there is someway you can test on the OE tyres.. Something like the Hyundai i30N was developed & came out with the Pirelli P-Zero's
But yet many owners have complained about those & have fitted the Michelin PS4S. Saying it makes a huge difference..
I'm sure there are other cars that also have OE spec tyres, but yet a different brand of tyre might be better...
Great video as always. Appreciate the effort that goes into making these..
The P Zero never performs too well it seems
Can't wait the for track test between the Cup 2, Trofeo R, r888r and the GTR3. I run a track day tyre all year round so will be interested if I keep the Cup 2 I currently have and love or go something difference especially if there is a significant price difference as they are not cheap to replace. I've learnt more from watching your videos than any other source of information keep it up.
Also maybe the nitto 555r2, love to see some straight line high hp (600whp+) dry grip testing with temperature and psi testing.
Great video! In my opinion, the oem marked tire is not automatically (even when the car gets freshly released with it) the "best" tire for the car. It is the tire, that makes the car behave like the manufacturer prefers, or intends it to do within the capabilities of that specific tire manufacturer. "Best" is too subjective for that i think, everybody has a different opinion on what is best. Maybe you prefer more comfort, or maybe you prefer pointier steering as the manufacturer... I have never had any issues with non oem marked ones, as long as i used quality tires. I mean i put AO winter tires on a small Mercedes SUV, and they are great. (4 winters now, absolute no complaints) I put non oem marked Michelin summer tires on the same car to replace the Pirelli MO ones, and i prefer how the car ddrives with these Michelins by far. (of course in this case it could just be that the Pirelli's felt bad as they were 4 years old, but the difference was extreme.)
Great review as always, just changed Oe Audi hankook tyres on my tts for Goodyear super sports. Let’s just say it’s a different car now with virtually no understeer. Your reviews really helped me make a decision on what to buy. Keep it up mate
Glad I could help :)
0:51 into the video and I am excited already!!!
😁
Tyre Reviews thanks for another informative video! Was hoping to see the MPSS against its replacement! I think overall - in UK weather - the PS4S is probably the one to have, but good to know that the MPSS is still a very good tyre.
Thanks for a great review! I'm impressed how you're able to pick these tiny details between them
Glad it was helpful!
You make a good point that a tyre may be * marked, but 1. Which BMW was it star marked for and 2. Several years down the line whether the *ryness been updated (Like N1, N2...)
PS Ha! PS, how appropriate! I went with the Michelin PS4 S for my e61 M5 and I am very happy with them, but due to lockdown only a few hundred miles so far.
Thank you for the reviews. Keep em comin. Eg Michelin CrossClimate 2 vs Eurowinters in citycar size (to persuade non-believers that a one tyre solution will help save them from embarrassment when it snows this winter)
What an engine, and the touring is so cool! All season test coming next, sadly just the CC+
This explains a lot. I think I read The fiesta ST came with PSS then has been updated to PS4 for the Performance Edition, which rides better........ Good work Sherlock!
Makes sense :)
Now on 4s on my seat leon cupra. Great tire for all year long.
In my Skoda VRS 245 Michelin PS4S They are superb!
Great work as usual Jon. I run a 15yr old Boxster and the two OE approved tyres from Pirelli and Bridgestone are now 20yr old technology and seemingly haven’t been updated, which seems ridiculous.
They'll be fun in the wet!
12:17 Yes, please! Without knowing what has changed between the after-market tyre and the OE rated tyre, the OE specification smells like marketing rubbish. Surely it isn’t just marketing, but we don’t know until we know. Anxiously waiting to hear about what you can find out :-)
The King 👑 back at it nice work. I’m still looking after those Michelin pilot super sports on a white M2 Competition Due to lockdown it’s home and clean a lot more 😉 😁
The original delivered summer tires (forgot brand and model) had heavy saw tooth problems on my Golf VI with 118 kW. So I switched to Conti Sport Contacts and later to Premium Contacts.
Well done, as always. What you should really do is compare the much-hated Conti SportContact 3 that Michelin fitted to some M2's against the MPSS. I wonder how it would do.
Hi, that's a great video as usual, but I've got to bring up the tyre pressure issue again. Of course the standard recommended pressures will be right for the OE tyre, but there's absolutely no guarantee that they are going to be best for the PS4S. It's a completely different tyre. I really do think it would be well worth trying a few pressure variations to see if you can bring the very best out of tyres you test. It would be really interesting too.
Excellent video, as usual. Seeing a new upload from this channel is always a treat.
Aw, thank you!
I look forward to the track day tyre vid! I'm only in a Civic EP3 but I look to be doing some track days at Anglesey and Oulton and even some nurburgring work very soon.
Lovely car!
Please include the nankang ar-1 and Dunlop direzza in your track tyre test
Amazing review as always. I fitted the ps4s on my 340i which came with run flat potenza stock which were awful. The difference was night and day far more comfort launch control now works even after a remap and cheaper to buy!
Nice swap :)
Exactly my question, and almost exactly my car! (2017 OG M2) Appreciated!
I am actually surprised that the PSS* was a little bit faster than the 4S on the dry. Good video as always, it is a shame that no one does this kind of tests for motorcycle tyres, as OEM tyres are even more common on motorcycles I would say.
I would love to but I'd fall off and die
@@tyrereviews jaja, it would be interesting to have someone just for the motorcycle side like Ari Henning or Zach
Great content, looking forward to the track tyre comparison test
This one very informative upload answers the biggest single question I had about tyres.
Respect.
Thank you :)
@@tyrereviews No worries, nice to see you read and get involved with your comments actually.
Whoop, it’s coming up to winter. That’s where my interest is. Keep up the good work.
Honestly, the Pirelli P Zero summer tires should have been in this comparison test. The Pirelli tires are OEM on so many high end sports cars and sedans. I would have loved to see the differences of Michelin vs Pirelli on this test.
My Peugeot 208 came with Michelin Energy Savers (I think the non-Plus variant). I upgraded to Michelin CrossClimate+ all round two years back, partly because I wanted something better suited to a wide range of conditions, but also because I believed that tyre technology had come on in six years. They certainly didn't feel any worse in any particular aspect, and having that extra confidence in winter meant money well spent. The fact they're also rated much better in terms of rolling resistance (peculiar given the 208's focus on efficiency) is a bonus.
The Energy Saver VS CC in very cold or snow will be night and day, good choice!
That was great info, thanks. Happen to have an M2Comp so was wondering whether the P4S would help.
Glad I could help
Cheers, with my PSS about to hit 2mm or less in areas I've been undecided to replace with PSS just on the rears as the fronts are good still. But PS4S seems to have the wet advantage, comfort and sound. Hope it doesn't make my M2 boring though, breaking traction is fun!
Yeah, I remember when I had the PSSs I had to drop the tire pressure to 2.0BAR instead of the recommended 2.3BAR (front axle). With the PS4 I can keep it at 2.1. I know it's just 0.1bar which is not even 1.5PSI, but the difference is noticeable.
Also on public streets where dust and small debris are not uncommon the PS4 (there is no S option in Europe for my Mazda 3MPS BK and I will not go 19" just for that) seems to be more consistent and less upset by any of these impurities.
Thank you. I have just gone through this with my Porsche. In the end, the OE tyres are not available so I went with Yokohama Advan Sport. Very grippy but not as comfortable. All things considered, a good compromise.
I went for the aftermarket 4S after the PSS on my '18 F82 wore out. Could not be happier with its all-around performance. I understand from my BMW dealer that the star marked 4S that is now OEM on the G8x wouldn't work on my F82 due to it being a bespoke tire for the new gen car and that I was better off getting the generic aftermarkets.
Glad you like them :)
Would love to see a comparison video between Cup2 MO and Cup2* on a BMW M2. I am a car guy also a vehicle dynamic guy work in car manufacture. I really like all your videos, there are still many tyre myths that need to be answered, you are doing a great job explaining the black magic to the general public in detail and in style :)
Hi I haven't tried the cup 2 BMW but I have used the og cup 2 and N0 N1 K1 K2 and the M0. The M0 (mercedes) has very similar wet performance to the og cup 2. It might actually be even better than the og. The compound seems harder than the OG and the Ferrari and Porsche compounds. The side wall also seems able to handle heavy weights/loads very slightly better than the tires designed for lighter cars like ferrari and Porsche. My Camaro weighs 3700lbs and wears 285-295 fronts and 305 rears. The M0 needs more time to get to perfect temperature than the other cup2s but also deals with heavy abuse better. This is not scientefic fact it's just my experience after running them in my car on street autocross and track. Hope this helps. We all wish for the day when manufacters should just straight up say what they did to make the oe tire.
I'd love to, the problem is no tyre company would support a "wrong" fitment like that, as it's too political for them.
I had something like that on a 320Cd M sport with 18" wheels.
Had Potenza RE050A with star * and put Conti Sport Contact 5P MO in the rear as a replacement.
The handling changed completely!! The car felt looser in the rear. Fun at low speeds but scary at high speeds.
I do not recommend
The amount of effort and time you put in these videos...just wow
Awesome content, keep up man! :D
Glad you like them!
Love these videos, would love to see a PS4S star marked VS off the shelf for a car that comes with it standard
Coming soon!
Thanks for this, as I prefer older cars, with fewer electronic aids, but still want the part connecting the vehicle to the road to be the best it can be.
Great. You answered My question to you some 1,5 year ago 👍. Now you made yourself another video opportunity by comparing a oem ps4s with an aftermarket dito.
I might be slow but I'm thorough :D
Another awesome video, very interesting to see and it's a good thing that you have pointed out the problem with OE then going aftermarket tires. Great content, can't wait for track day tires, I hope you went super deep into it :) Cheers!
I'll go as deep as I legally can ;)
Thanks for another great video!
I have been asking for this for a few times already, but I would like like to see/hear your view on tire aging. Maybe some tire manufacturer or reseller has a set of 5 old winter or sommer tires which can be comparet to a brand new tire on track and road. I know there are some rules that you should not buy an older tyre (5 years +) and use a tire older than 10 years - but I never saw someone test the effects on grip and daily driving or even track driving.
I love this idea and I've been trying to do it, but finding the tyres is tricky as generally stuff over 5 years old has had compound changes
Love the ps4s but got the second set with nails, screws in it and after a half of life are noisey and split on inside. Handling for road tyre is amazing
I've not seen any unusual reports of punctures with the PS4S, that must be some bad luck :(
Thank you sir! This is a question I've been wondering myself!
Glad to help!
Been following this channel for a while now and love all the testing. Not sure if you've done this before but could you do a road legal dedicated track tyre comparison such as with the Toyo R888, Yokohoma Advan, and Dunlop DZ03
Worjking on it
@@tyrereviews great to hear thanks for the reply
Amazing video Jon, as always. Have you ever considered to do a video comparing a NORMAL car w/ oe tyres vs same car w/ uhp tyres? I mean... 150-200hp normal cars... I installed mps4 on my bmw 120d, wich comes standard with bridgestone potenza S001 runflatd. It has REALLY changed the way the car drives and it FEELS a lot faster. But.. is it only a feeling? Or is it really a lot faster on a track? I think that it will be VERY INTERESTING to know. Thanks and keep up with the amazing work!!
I'd really like to do a runflat vs non runflat test sometime!
Would be nice to have a test for different OE Tyres brand for the same car
Michelin vs Pirelli vs Yokohama on a cayenne
@Tyre reviews, myself and a few others have put the non star-rated PS4Ss on our M4/M3s. I particularly had massive issues with the back of he car becomong completely disconnected from the front (Which were still MPSSs). Any slight left or right steering input at 100 would make the back end flop about like a dog's doodah. Yes they had good grip in a straight line but aweful and complete confidence killing anywhere else. The sidewalls are just so floppy. They feel like some FAlkens I put on a car years ago which leasted100 miles before they were binned.
It worries me that others don't notice this - a few people agree though.
Even my TC light would flashwhile taking a very shallow corner at 90+
Don't you notice it?
Maybe as the M2 is a lighter car with different sizes it was less of an issue. I understand what you are talking about, but certainly wasn't significant at roads speeds or flat out on track. I can't comment on the TC issue as I run TC off on track.
Interesting to go over a single generational tire, I would be curious to see one for a 10 year old car, if you can find an oe tire for that car compared to premium offerings of today like the ps4s or the goodyear offerings and compare that just to see how much tires have improved.
In 2 years, unless something happens, I need to change my SportContact 6 on my Type R. I hope, that by that time, the Michelin Cup2 Connect are available in 245/30 ZR20. Or I really do get a new set of wheels entirely. 245/35 ZR19 from the Type R Sport Line. But Michelin is looking tempting these days for summer tyres. For winter, I currently will stay with my Vredestein tyres.
Michelin knows what they are doing in terms of sporty tyres. Not just car tyres, but motorcycle tyres as well.
Tyre technology is always developing. It's only natural, that after a certain time, the OE tyres are not top of the top anymore for that particular vehicle. In the sport segment, that is even more noticable than in the touring segment.
When I changed from the BT015 to the BTS20 on my Fireblade back in the days, it was like night and day, especially in the wet and on the track in hogh temperatures. The BT015 overcooked and became mushy in just a few laps, the S20 kept the grip for longer.
With car tyres, it is similar, though I feel like, the current developement is slowing down a little. Especially with a couple of manufacturers like Bridgestone and Dunlop.
That probably has also to do with motor sports involvement, since a lot of them have become, at least tyre wise, one make races. That might be more competetive, but it also slows down developement.
The Cup 2 connect range is expanding, so fingers crossed!
@@tyrereviews Oddly enough, for the Zype R's winter tyre size, 235/45 ZR18 the Cup 2 Connect are alread available. While 245/30 ZR20 is good for stearing feel, a bit meatier tyres add to comfort and wear resistance. At least from what I have seen other Type R owners experience, the 245/30 ZR20 quickly fall apart on the track.
I think, I have to rewatch your video on the effect of tyre width. It's only 10mm difference on each side, but every time I switch between summer and winter tyres, I feel a big difference. Not just due to the rubber compound.
thanks a lot that is exactly what I would like to know! I own an M2 competition and I am thinking about switching to PS4S, and I think I probably will after watching this video.
Let me know how you find them!
M3 CS driver here. The car came with the PSS (configuration was locked, so even if the car was new I could not change anything). After a few "episodes" where the car just lost grip/control, I took the decision to change to Cup 2, because they are the only other tires that are "approved" and with "*" for the CS. More grip, but in wet&cold it's a handful to keep it on the road.
I might go with PS4S when the next change comes up.
I really loved the CS on Cup 2s. Dreamy car
Brilliant video and review Jon 👍🏻
Glad you enjoyed it
Great and informative video.
I wonder how will be the comparison between PSS * marked vs normal PSS on M2.
What I'v heard/read is that the star marked (*) have harder sidewalls. So maybe there will be differences in handling.
Please share if you have any observations.
Also the OE tyres have differences in the compound and the production process is monitored by the car manufacturer so you should expect higher quality control but I can not find any official information to back this up.
I'd like to do the test sometime, but with PS4S vs PS4S*
@@tyrereviews Yes!!!!!!
Hi, similarly my friend has gone from Pirelli to Hankook on his 320d & is complaining about losing ride comfort after having replaced them on the front. Incidentally he's had the Hankook on the rear for a year with no complaints (S1 Evo 3)
I love the AD08R's on my R53 and get away with them year round. I've heard the new AD08RS isn't as good but would like to see you throw that into the track/all year round review you mentioned at the end
Great review as always
It's in the planning stage :)
This is a great one. I would have bought some RS if it wasn't for the negative press.
Hey awesome video further cements the idea of running 4s over oem pss on my RS. One suggestion for the video is to add to the corner what tire you're talking about as it's harder to watch if you miss when you switch tires.
Thanks for the idea!
Interestingly the M2 standard stock tyres is now coming with Michelin Pilot sport 4s in Australia. Great video btw
The new M3/4 has 4S too :)
What would be really interesting to learn is what performs better, the tire made for BMW, or the one made for Porsche, or that third version made for AMG?
Maybe one day, you can do that test comparison.
Very interesting, thanks a lot.
Makes me feel better too as I have just replaced three sets of tyres with PS4 👍
Interesting video with the results unsurprising. A newer version of a tyre would be expected to have measurable improvements over the predecessor. To my knowledge there are only minor differences between an oem marked tyre and a non marked version - these are usually in relation to dimensional tolerances and other minor parameters and not fundamental differences. I would be interested if you compared oem vs non oem versions of the same tyre. I expect that they would not show much difference under road driving conditions with the non oem tyre being 10% cheaper!
Thank you for a great video!
Ditched the bulging(!) tyre wall P-Zero in favor of running PS4S on my Carrera T. Even have 20" PS4 (non-S) on my Taycan. Do you know if there will be a 4S for my 4S😉?
Winter tyres, my big interest living and driving Porsches north of the Arctic Circle, are you doing any evaluations on sporty winter tyres for Porsches and their likes? Running 2 sets on my Carrera T: Pirelli Sottozero friction tyres and studded Hakkapeliitaa H8’s. On the Taycan Hakkapeliittaa R3 friction tyres, which I haven’t really tested yet, just a small test run this March. Excited to see how they perform on such a heavy vehicle. Maybe studs are the way to go there also, but don’t think they have my Taycan’s size yet🤔
Yes! There is a 4S coming, it's been delayed until the end of this year or early next :(
The R3s are a great friction winter tyre! The only other recent tyre I've used is the Michelin Pilot Alpin 5 (video on channel) but that's not extreme enough for you
Tyre Reviews I ran a PA (1?) on an -99 S4 back in the days and it worked just fine inland, but totally failure along the coast with varying temps from -15 to +5 during winter. I fear the PA5’s will be to slippery on our snow and icy conditions due to too hard rubber compound with emphasis on dry road handling
you need a new winter car
Paul Ken how come?
@@Nord_Mann its a race car lol
As ever a really interesting video. Well done 👍🏻
Glad you enjoyed it
More clarity from the tire manufacturers would be wonderful. But what did I learn most from this video?! Get Cup 2's 😄
Great content as always 👍🏻
I’ve N0 idea where you’d even start with unraveling the idiosyncrasies of the Porsche specific tyre world 🤓
Niiiiiccceeeeeeee 😂
I run a 285 or 295 front and 305 rear tire on my Camaro 1le. This leads to different spec front and rear tires avalable. I have run K1, K2 , N0, N1 and M01 spec cup 2s on my Camaro SS 1le. There are noticable differences between all models of the tire. Starting with the older models the K1(458 spec) and NO(gt4) are darker and feel harder than some of the newer compounds. There is some kind of sidewall difference between them but it is subtle. The rubber is a deep jet black. The newer models K2(488 pista) and N1(991.2 gt3) are much lighter in color. More of a grey. It is not a subtle difference nor is the color difference from age. The N1 and K2 feel more agressive than a standard cup 2. The K2 also has far less tread lines than other cup 2 tire. The K2 is also the softest and grippiest even when compared to the N1 spec. Lastly the M01(mercedes) spec again has the deep black rubber. However the M0 definitely feels like it has a stiffer sidewall compared to the other tires designed for lighter cars. It is also the hardest compound and most wear resistant. It also takes longer than the k2 and N1 to get to operating temperature. Lastly I feel it has more tread lines than an standard cup 2. Hope this was slightly informative.
@@memememine1 Awesome information, thank you for the comment! If you ever get time feel free to leave some reviews on www.tyrereviews.com! Where do you do most of your track work?
What you might be finding with the K2 for the Pista etc is that it's actually the Cup 2 R compound, just in a heavily OE'd Cup 2. Much like there's plenty of Cup 2 tyres with the Cup 2 Connect compound in out there, unmarked!
@@tire_reviews I do more autocrosses than track but this year I managed to sneak in one track day at buttonwillow. I usually autocross at crows landing. I went on track with 295 M0 and 305 N1. It felt amazing the +10 section width at the front complemented the grippy compound of the N1 at the rear and the car was balanced, had very strong turn in and maintined good stability. It was hot(100F+) and I ran 4, 20 minute sessions but the tires were amazing. On the hottest sessions in noticed some fall off in the last few laps. I was running around 37 psi hot on track as recommended for my car.
Yeah after hearing the Ferrari cheater press cars a few years ago and now seeing a k2 cup 2 with what seems to be half the tread lines missing, I suspected the k2 was going to be pretty crazy. How much better is the cup 2 connect compound? I assumed it was the same but they just added a sensor. I know it's proprietary but wish all the tire companies would disclose things like stealth changes, and the differences between the oe tire codes.
Edit: Haha hey I didn't realize you are the same Johnathan as in the video! Love your channel. I think you are doing amazing work testing and bringing more info about tires. Ill definitely checkout that site.
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Yup, he’s the real Jonathan Benson 😆
It sounds like you’ve been through a few sets 😱
Your findings are exactly why I personally don’t mind the Porsche N system.
If I buy sets of the same N tyres, even though they’re also staggered fitment, should be able to keep the excellent OEM balance in my Cayman GTS.
No track stuff for me (other than Nurburgring laps)
Years ago I used to run Goodyear GSD3 and kept getting odd ones at random.
It ruined the car!
Thank you for all the time and effort you put into making this video and all the others in the channel.
In the upcoming all seasons test, IF it is available in the size for the car you will be using, can you include the new Nokian Seasonproof which was announced 5 days ago? (Nokian say only some sizes are being launched in autumn 2020 and the rest in 2021).
That would be really interesting, it looks much less capable in the snow than the weatherproof (which worked perfectly in the snow like Real Winter tyres), due to less aggressive grooves in it, but nokian says its gotten better by a small margin. But perhaps its too late, in germany the retailers are getting the first seasonproofs end of September, the test is surely already recorded and just not uploaded already..
Sadly I started the test back in Feb, so no season proof :( But I will be testing it for next spring :)
@@tyrereviews Super! Thank you.
Loving these videos. Would love to see a thorough test on a Mitsubishi Evo with a variety of tyres. There's a lot of debate about the best fast road and track tyres out there with no real proof. Can you compare:
Yokohama ADO8R
Toyo R888R
Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 5
Pilot Sport 4
And others you think would be a good comparison.
Working on something similar
@@tyrereviews Brilliant! Can't wait
Nice video - it would be nice if you could show the full information from the sidewall of the tyre - in particular the construction details of the carcass and tread plies
Noted!
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How about some snow rated ALL TERRAINs?
DispelTheMyth Spot the ball was a weekly competition for years and years in the UK. They had the original photo with the ball in it, it just gets edited out for the competition then overlaid to get the winner from the entrants.
Great review. Sadly most people will replace the tyres on their new car with the ones that were on it originally. I am convinced that this is the ONLY reason the abominable Pirelli P6000 is sold.
One big thing is lots of manufacturers for ages used terrible tires from the factory. In the past 5? Ish years the manufacturers have finally started caring about tires
i´d love to see crossclimate+ vs cc2 - - - any allseasons test in general.
EDIT: i´d like to hear if they are softer and less noisy. all i can do is cross fingers.
i dont care much about long life.
I‘ve got the crossclimate+ in 225/40 R18Y and its insane
@@Chris-bx3yt are they run flats?
@@giuseppecumbo5123 No, they aren't.
@@Chris-bx3yt goodyear 4season vector are much better
The CC2 won't be in Europe until next year, but you can be sure as soon as it is, I'll do something with it!
I’ve got the Michelin PS4S on my R26 brilliant tyre. I have the Michelin Supersport on my B5 RS4 but are being replaced with Goodyear F1 asymmetrical 5 due to the Michelin SS cracking after 3 years. Wanted the Goodyear F1 supersport but couldn’t find them in 255/35/18.
They're some sweet cars there!
@@tyrereviews thanks 😊