I live in the rust belt area..Still Domestics from the 80s on up still running. Lucky to find a mythical quality toyota of any kind from the early 2000s. Nothing but a myth of the "quality" being so great.
John Smith. From what I've heard, everything rusts to bits up there, foreign or domestic. The domestics you probably see is likely because they're easier to repair being domestic, part availability etc.. So the myth is that domestics are somehow magically more rust proof than imports.. It's a well known fact that Toyotas are more reliable than anything domestic
You see a lot of the domestics rusted and still going It's a known fact toyotas last ten years at most. And your theory of rustproofing and parts is way off at best. The camry has been here over 25 years.. Toyoto has been here since the late 1960s So your theory is not relevant "The domestics you probably see is likely because they're easier to repair being domestic, part availability etc.." So do bring some more theories up.
John Smith where I live (Indiana) i see far more old Toyota cars than ford and chevys on the road. Trucks is a different matter, but I don’t think they Toyota trucks sold as well anyways so it’s not really a fair comparison. The Camry, Corolla, and Avalon are everywhere here, seen MUCH more often than Taurus, Escort, Malibu, or old impala. Though oddly I also see a shit ton of Ford fusions, they’re almost guaranteed the most popular car where I live. The F150 and Silverado are popular too, but far more Tahoes/GM suvs than expeditions /excursions.
I’ve driven that Tahoe and the luxury version of the Armada (Infiniti QX80). Both rode great and gas mileage was similar but the Infiniti QX80 performed better for me. The brakes are phenomenal, even in panic braking. Interior was very quiet compared to the Tahoe. Plus you can put regular gas in that Infiniti. The gas cap says Premium recommended not required and the horsepower to me is still great. If you can’t afford the cheapest Infiniti QX80, the Armada with the platinum trim would be a great alternative.
Faisal Almadhi off road and Nissan Armada don’t mix together. The sequoia TRD Pro and Expedition FX4 are specifically made for that, the armada is a mommy car at this point.
ford expedition last generation armada is a mommy car, but not this generation . This one is a rebadged Nissan patrol, which has better off road capability than land cruiser and almost the same reliability
Charles Macgilchrist because GM paid them to say it got better mileage. In real life the Ecoboost gets better fuel mileage than the gutless unreliable piece of trash 6.2.
Andrew P "because GM paid them to say it got better mileage." Then why did Motorweek ranked the Tahoe 3rd? Obviously if GM paid Motorweek, they'll say more biased stuff about the Tahoe than "better mileage". Also do you have any claims that GM paid MW? just wondering. "In real life the Ecoboost gets better fuel mileage than the gutless unreliable piece of trash 6.2." First, do you have any sources that says the Ecoboost gets better mileage than the "gutless unreliable piece of trash 6.2"? Second, I haven't heard anyone called the 6.2l V8 gutless and unreliable unless you really hated GM/Chevy. Perhaps you got a bad lemon on your Silverado? Perhaps you think pushrod engines are old and outdated while DOHC engines are new and sophisticated. IDK, I'm just guessing.
Allah O'ahu and there is already problems with it misfiring due to condensation buildup in the intercooler and the fix it to drill a drip hole under the intercooler which is such a joke lol
Just got the 2017 Armada, drives like a dream, super quiet cab, insane acceleration for a big SUV, and going over 100mph still feels so smooth, like going 60, and quiet cab even at 100mph. The 3rd row has plenty of room, (2 inches more legroom than tahoe I believe with slightly less shoulder/hip than tahoe due to square shape. I can still sit back there fine and I am 6'4...When you lay all the seats down it is like 7.5 ft of space for a mattress to camp in full independent suspension...My only issue is mileage, and that's a given with any big boy SUVs. I am averaging 15.9 mpg and then the back bumper makes it look like it's got a large badonkadonk. I want to find an aftermarket rear bumper since It's the only real issue I have with it. Much cheaper than the Tahoe, of the same year and it is honestly better in every way except, the exterior of the newer Tahoe is gorgeous.
I recently rented a Yukon XL, which is basically a Suburban, which is basically a long Tahoe. LOVED driving that truck. It drove very smoothly, got amazing fuel economy with a 5.3 L (an indicated 22mpg avg), and was very comfortable. The thing I noticed about it though, is that it was very inefficient as far as the Interior space. We also had an older Dodge Caravan rental car, and in the Yukon we could fit 3 people and 3 mountain bikes with gear, and in the minivan, we could fit four people, and 4 bikes with gear. And that was a standard wheelbase Caravan, not the long wheelbase. The relatively low ceiling height of the Yukon had us laying the bikes down, while the much higher ceiling of the Caravan allowed us to stand the bikes up. If one does not need to tow, and all-wheel drive is not a big concern, as uncool as they look the minivan is still the most practical choice as far as interior space and people moving capability.
Armada is a winner for reliability? Lol. Guess my sister whose 2016 was in the shop constantly and finally got lemon lawed just got unlucky... but that isnt what I've read online either. Seems to be pretty common
The RST is Sports package for the Tahoe. The Denali is a trim. The full RST package gives the Premier a sporty suspension with Magnaride, 6.2 with high performance air filter, blacked out chrome...etc. Basically if you want a little more fun with your SUV. Sequoia update probably coming with the Tundra in next couple years.
Why does every vehicle need to be redesigned and updated? Why can't there be just one vehicle in each category that has a little older design and also a less expensive price tag for the normal people to get without a remortgage on their house?
@@MJ47 bought 4 brand new cars. Always had it easier to negotiate the price. More over when you wait to buy your car by the end of the quarter... Used cars, they don't care about selling those
@@Ulghart The average person owns 13 cars in a lifetime, each costing an average of $30,000, according to a report by the National Automobile Dealers Association. If each of those cars was 3 years old, instead of new, you could save nearly $130,000 during your lifetime. The real money-saver in buying a used car is wrapped up in a sinister-sounding financial word:*depreciation.*
@@MJ47 I don't change my car every 3 years, and usually used cars require extra money changing tires break pads, rotors and regular maintenance. I don't know about statistics, in my personal experience, it works better to go for brand new cars.
This was a total bias review to help push the EcoBoost motor and this is coming from a Ford guy. I think overall they're really trying to push these twin turbo 6 cylinder and 4 cylinder engines in these big SUVs I'm sorry as long as I'm buying a full-size SUV I want a V8 under my hood not no V6 with two turbos that's probably not going to get to 100,000 miles before you start having problems I rather have a all motor V8
I get why you say this, but the data in real f150s suggest they've been quite reliable. The biggest issue I've seen with the timing chain was fixed in the gen 2 Ecoboost.
You were right, all the expeditions up to 2020 have recalls for the cam phasers. Pretty much if you wait to get it fixed, which ford makes you wait until they have the part.. sometimes a year later, you could wreck the engine.
Never been in the Nissan, but I have been in the other 3, and third row wise, the Sequoia and Expedition has the best legroom. You can fit grown adults back there and have it still be comfortable for long road trips. The Tahoe, I’d say the third row should only be reserved for kids. Never understood why they sell so many since there are clearly better options. Nissan I would say is a good alternative if you’ve always wanted a luxury car, since it’s straight up a rebadged Infiniti QX80. One can argue that the Escalade is a rebadged Tahoe, but the Armada takes it to a whole new level. The interior is EXACTLY the same as the Infiniti.
Just got the 2017 Armada, drives like a dream, super quiet cab, insane acceleration for a big SUV, and going over 100mph still feels so smooth, like going 60, and quiet cab even at 100mph. The 3rd row has plenty of room, (2 inches more legroom than tahoe I believe with slightly less shoulder/hip than tahoe due to square shape. I can still sit back there fine and I am 6'4...When you lay all the seats down it is like 7.5 ft of space for a mattress to camp in full independent suspension...My only issue is mileage, and that's a given with any big boy SUVs. I am averaging 15.9 mpg and then the back bumper makes it look like it's got a large badonkadonk. I want to find an aftermarket rear bumper since It's the only real issue I have with it. Much cheaper than the Tahoe, of the same year and it is honestly better in every way except, the exterior of the newer Tahoe is gorgeous.
Nissan Armada wins this since Ford has aluminum body and has only V6. Armada interior is exactly like Infinity qx80 luxury, nothing compare to Expedition.
Really a v6 that is half the size of the v8s in displacement and it only gets 2 mpg better than the biggest and most powerful of the bunch, and then that v6 gets practically the worst mpg when under load, and it is easily the least reliable, yep that sounds like a winner.
lat woods I worked on a ford sponsored race team in an all Ford ecoboost race series. Not a single motor in any car made it through one season without blowing. As for basic engineering, more moving parts is more to go wrong. Turbos typically don't last much over 100,000 miles, turbo engines are under more stress than na engines. As far as reliability reporting, all Ecoboost motors have an atrocious record prior to I believe 2016 when Ford added the secondary injectors to clean the valves. Before then all Ecoboost have an inherant design flaw, yes by those genius engineers you regard so highly, that literally dooms every single Ecoboost engine to a shortened life. Fords solution has been to replace the cylinder head or perform the almond shell blasting to the tops of the intake valves on regular service intervals. Finally, I actually like the ecoboost engines for performance applications. They make great power, but fuel economy is not great and towing with a small turboed gasoline engine is certainly not ideal. Ps: my very own na v8 in my truck has 406,000 miles, no rebuild, just basic maintenance. My dad is the original owner and it was used for construction, towing, and light off-roading, and is still going strong. I keep my vehicles and need them to last. The ecoboost just has not proven to be something that will last.
Shane P interest input on the racing. I wonder why the ecoboost 3.5 does well at LeMans, Sebring, Laguna, etc. not tryna argue here. But those cars perform well with minimal breakdowns. But your claim on your racing team was that they all breakdown.
sweetcheels Yes, the race class had to use a factory stock 2.0 ecoboost. Engine had to be certified sealed and unaltered. Ford provided a factory tuned ecu. Not a single motor from any team made it one season. Keep in mind, obviously these motors were not being taken apart after every race. They had to be sealed. Most if not all the race teams you are talking about are high dollar and rebuilding and inspecting the motor after every race.
Looking on Autotrader for the average price of the 2008 models of each car, you appear to be correct. Sequoia: $16,763, Tahoe: $15,081, Armada $10,704, Expedition $10,761
Many HD fleets are finding out the hard way that the V6 turbo doesn't deliver the real world mileage as stated. Also Pace Bus co. tried several of the engines in their E450 based buses, and found the fuel usage and cost was ON PARE with their older V10s. Down time and maintenance costs were significantly higher with the V6 vs the old ten. The diesel delivered more mpgs than both, but also had higher maintenance costs than the gas V10. As a result, Pace found that in the long run, replacing a worn out V10 with a new long block was more economical then running and maintaining the V6 T or the diesel.
@@Shane23Armada @@Shane23Armada Horrifically unreliable. Its Infiniti twin I know for a fact is a nightmare. Regardless, Nissan is just shady. My manual gen two xterra, the transmission was taken from the z and put into a truck. They did this because the fj cruiser released with a six speed transmission and the Xterra first gen only had a five speed. The frontier and titan didn't fit in the second gen body, and they didn't have time to make a clutch assembly system from scratch for the vehicle, so they went with the z instead. Long story short, it's known on forums as the 8 thousand miles clutch. They never fixed the issue till the thing was discontinued because they couldn't afford to have the repairs paid for. If they fixed the issue part way through it's production that would be admitting fault, and they'd have to pay. So they kept making a pos truck for years full well knowing it wasnt made to last. That's only one of many issues. Another is on my nissans, my xterra included, their welding robots would leave metal shards on the body. Nissan didn't bother cleaning the cars properly before paint, and what you got is metal shards stuck in your paint that you can't see....muntil they start to rust. Then your car's back end (always the rear for some reason) looks like it has thousands of brown pimples everywhere. None of this, plus many, many other problems, were EVER covered. I hate them. They're about to swirl out of business and I say good riddance!
I have a 2013 Nissan Maxima (bought it in 2015) and it is still running there are no problems it is heavy built and even though it has a V6 it sounds super good compared to my 2017 Mercedes Benz C300 (also a V6). So it really does not make sense TO ME for people to say that Nissans are rot reliable.
Well I do like the new Expedition, My ultimate concern is the reliability of that twin turbo V6, as well as overall cost of maintenance on a more complex engine. How much extra does it cost to maintain a pair of turbochargers? Are spark plug changes needed more often, and if so, how much is each service interval? It's a marvel of an engine, but I'm really concerned about overall cost of operation on it...
Keep the oil changed and at the right level and the turbos should be fine. According to Ford spark plug changes are at 100K miles. People have hit 200K on the ecoboost V6 with proper care.
The new 3.5 Liter Ecoboost V6 has both port and direct fuel injection, so there won't be as much carbon buildup as the last-generation 3.5 Liter Ecoboost V6.
I don't understand why they can't use a V-8 in The Expedition. They switched to a twin turbo V-6 for better mpg, and they still don't beat the Tahoe. I'm sure all of the extra plumbing makes weight issues a push. Put a V-8 in it, and work on fuel management systems. I can't imagine using one of these as a tow vehicle that's pulling pretty close to capacity. It just seems like a turbo (or two), is just the wrong motor for this application. I also am not a big fan of most of the automakers putting turbos in almost every vehicle they make. It just seems like they're going to be sticking a bunch of people without great means in a bind, when they purchase a "good" used vehicle for $7,500-$10,000, with 125k miles on it, and then have a turbo fail, and leave them a vehicle that they paid $7,500 for 6 months ago, parked in their driveway, because it needs $6000 in engine repairs that they can't afford. It just seems like the affordable, reliable used car, is becoming something of the past, leaving a whole large group of people without many options of having their own transportation. For full disclosure, I own a Cadillac CT6 with the 3.0 twin turbo, and I love it. It was the only option available. I would have gladly traded it for a normally aspirated V-8, if they offered that. I also have absolutely zero plans of keeping this vehicle beyond 75k miles at most. So yeah, I'm kind of a hypocrite, but options left me with no other option.
So the Tahoe got the best MPG and best towing and it's the best looking, but it loses because the center console is too big?!?! The Armada is ugly inside and out
Sequoia will easily be the most reliable. The Chevrolet should be reliable too, but I’ve heard of a couple of people complaining about transmission troubles. Ford’s wild card is the TT V6 (although I know of ones that have hit over 100k in a few years and have had no issues whatsoever). The Armada has been a bit temperamental since it’s inception.
Vehicle critics drive me crazy. All they focus on is how new the design is, how many "features" it has, and really nothing else. As a consumer, I'm interested primarily in function and reliability, not all the extra "features" and "tech" auto makers are adding to tack on an additional 10-15k for larger profit margins.
Why is no-one asking the obvious question on Pickups and Big SUVs , the PRICES and the escalation ???? 100,000 K for a 'Family Soccer Mom Wagon" or $60 K for a decent twin Cab Pickup ? Pricing has gone Mad, these are elitist prices !
Inflation, cost of labor, content, and quality of materials have all driven up the price. The foreigners can build vehicles cheaper because they don't use unions
I see a few people questioning The Tahoe getting better fuel economy than the Expedition. When you hit that gas pedal and those turbos spool up, efficiency is gone. I learned this when I was in Germany and had a Ford focus with an ecoboost on the Autobahn. It couldn't keep up with German cars, and it drank gas rather quickly.
Also I hear about people getting 200k out of their ecoboost, I would think that is mainly highway miles, not really putting a workload on it. Not saying that it's a bad engine, I rather the V8.
Until the turbos burn up at 20,000 miles. I can't tell you how many turbos I've had to replace on friend's Fords (no matter what the engine size) because the turbos are burning up. All because of the solenoid that closes to warm them up quicker in colder months. It's doing more harm than good.
The turbos aren't too bad to replace. The kicker is all the owners of the Fords that I've worked on tell me they don't let their vehicles warm up in the morning, especially when it's cold outside. I think if they let their vehicles run for a minute or two before taking off first thing, it would postpone if not completely avoid the turbos being destroyed. Honestly, I've never heard of the glazed cylinder walls from the AFM on GM vehicles. I know earlier models of Chevy trucks from around 2008 to 2013 that had AFM had issues with lifters breaking, but I don't see any issues with the newer gen GM trucks with AFM. I bought my 2016 Silverado brand new with only 9 miles on it, and now has 32,000 trouble free miles. I do change my oil religiously every 5,000 miles, and even stuck a borescope in the engine to check out the cylinder walls and the valves and everything looks just fine. But thanks for the heads up! I'll have to keep a closer eye on the cylinder walls.
Man O War I actually agree with the verdict and that is coming from someone with the Tahoe. The Tahoe's interior is awful. Everything is oversized including the pillars eliminating ALOT of visibility.
Are these guys insane!? The Sequoia is by far more reliable and styling and design is timeless. Everyone knows that American cars and SUVs look obsolete after only a few years. I have an 08 and love it. Paying more for an unreliable vehicle doesn’t make sense.
MrCarGuy20 I’m full on rooting for expedition in this video but you are so right. I rented one in San Francisco and the cloth was so nice, it was like 80’s velour. The seats were well padded too.
I like Tahoe even Suburban and Escalade but i admit that Expedition is quite nice too. It's full of technology, and i think the build quality is at high level. Based on reviews and consumer experience.
How does the Ford's 6000 lbs towing capacity beat the 8500 lbs of the Armada? And i was told by the Ford dealer the expedition is no longer based on the f150 chassis. Which accounts for it's shit towing capacity.
Ive been driving a 2019 Expedition Max Limited. Great vehicle all around but I can see why the GM SUVS sell more ve a long shot. They're big but they handle smaller. Turning radius is better on a Tahoe and even though it's big it doesn't feel like your driving a couch.
Great comparison , but if you had to comfortably haul a family of six adult sized individuals , and pack enough luggage for a long vacation which SUV would be best ?
Impressive that the armada got 2nd considering the patrol platform is already almost 10 years old. Nissan really knows how to build cars for the long run.
@@jeffreyes1568 Although your '08 is a great vehicle, the '18 is a completely different vehicle. Different body, chassis, suspension, engine, transmission, interior, everything. We've had an '05, '11, and an '05 Titan. I loved them! We now have an '11 QX56. We love that too! I'd like to get a '17 Armada next.
The Chevrolet Tahoe LS does not come available with a power liftgate, does not have a 40/20/40 split second row seat, and does not have a head restraint on the middle of the second row, and a head restraint on the middle of the third row.
I hope so! I have a 2001 Acura MDX and the timing belt broke 4 days into owning it, destroying the engine! I'm waiting for a new used engine for my car, along with a matching full size spare wheel!
You people in this "I wonder how long the TTv6 is going to last OBVIOUSLY it's a reliable engine its been on the market for some years in now it's in it's second generation with port n direct injection so not as much carbon build up .... Expedition for my money
Mohanad Samer Agreed, the reliability card is overplayed by now. And resale value is also another overused argument specially if the car is not up there with the competition. Come on, people just sell a car once, but take for granted they'll drive it for at least 5 years, it'd better be a nice ride.
I see a lot of Ecoboost twin turbo's traded in with one or both of the turbo's failing before 100k. They're super powerful and smooth...until they're not.
More plastic in that Ford than a Fisher Price factory, a parlor trick for an engine, and at that price tag, you can go to a Navigator, so the value sucks. Nice choice, MotorWeek.
I will keep buying a dinosaur over any over priced suv that will not last! Love my 2014 dinosaur! I know it will not let me down! Nothing beats a Sequoia! It's a Toyota!
i believe that the armada should’ve been third and the sequoia should stay last place because they’re both lacking android auto and apple carplay which are like big selling points for journalist today
I think they all are good suvs cant go wrong with them, however if you were to go for tahoe, it would probably make more sense to upgrade to the suburban since they are same price
I just cant figure out who can afford these suv's? 20 yrs ago a loaded Tahoe or Expedition was 40 to 45k. Now they are just shy of double the price. Do they get double mpg, last 2x as long, did your pay check double in 20yrs? NO! Just remove all the fancy shit and make cars/trucks/suvs affordable again. I like the TT v6 in the Fords. But Ford as well as pretty much every brand now is mistaken. While driving nice turbos might give better mpg then NA. But the second you start towing or driving spirtedly its as bad and worse then NA. So whats the point?
The Sequoia needs a full redesign but I can tell you in 10 years that will still be working perfectly fine and have the highest resale value.
Acc0rd79 someone on here who's making sense??
I live in the rust belt area..Still Domestics from the
80s on up still running. Lucky to find a mythical quality
toyota of any kind from the early 2000s. Nothing but
a myth of the "quality" being so great.
John Smith. From what I've heard, everything rusts to bits up there, foreign or domestic. The domestics you probably see is likely because they're easier to repair being domestic, part availability etc.. So the myth is that domestics are somehow magically more rust proof than imports.. It's a well known fact that Toyotas are more reliable than anything domestic
You see a lot of the domestics rusted and still going
It's a known fact toyotas last ten years at most.
And your theory of rustproofing and parts is way off
at best. The camry has been here over 25 years..
Toyoto has been here since the late 1960s
So your theory is not relevant
"The domestics you probably see is likely because they're easier to
repair being domestic, part availability etc.."
So do bring some more theories up.
John Smith where I live (Indiana) i see far more old Toyota cars than ford and chevys on the road. Trucks is a different matter, but I don’t think they Toyota trucks sold as well anyways so it’s not really a fair comparison. The Camry, Corolla, and Avalon are everywhere here, seen MUCH more often than Taurus, Escort, Malibu, or old impala. Though oddly I also see a shit ton of Ford fusions, they’re almost guaranteed the most popular car where I live. The F150 and Silverado are popular too, but far more Tahoes/GM suvs than expeditions /excursions.
I’ve driven that Tahoe and the luxury version of the Armada (Infiniti QX80). Both rode great and gas mileage was similar but the Infiniti QX80 performed better for me. The brakes are phenomenal, even in panic braking. Interior was very quiet compared to the Tahoe. Plus you can put regular gas in that Infiniti. The gas cap says Premium recommended not required and the horsepower to me is still great. If you can’t afford the cheapest Infiniti QX80, the Armada with the platinum trim would be a great alternative.
If you want :
Reliability: Sequoia
Engine: Tahoe
Off road: Armada ( Nissan Patrol )
Technology: Expedition
Faisal Almadhi off road and Nissan Armada don’t mix together. The sequoia TRD Pro and Expedition FX4 are specifically made for that, the armada is a mommy car at this point.
ford expedition last generation armada is a mommy car, but not this generation . This one is a rebadged Nissan patrol, which has better off road capability than land cruiser and almost the same reliability
@@beatersho3497 been to the desert?
MUHAMMAD AZAAN yes
Tahoe
How did a 3.5l ecoboost get 9.8mpg and a 6.2l get 11.5mpg?! Sounds like ford wasted their time.
Charles Macgilchrist because GM paid them to say it got better mileage. In real life the Ecoboost gets better fuel mileage than the gutless unreliable piece of trash 6.2.
Andrew P
"because GM paid them to say it got better mileage."
Then why did Motorweek ranked the Tahoe 3rd? Obviously if GM paid Motorweek, they'll say more biased stuff about the Tahoe than "better mileage". Also do you have any claims that GM paid MW? just wondering.
"In real life the Ecoboost gets better fuel mileage than the gutless unreliable piece of trash 6.2."
First, do you have any sources that says the Ecoboost gets better mileage than the "gutless unreliable piece of trash 6.2"? Second, I haven't heard anyone called the 6.2l V8 gutless and unreliable unless you really hated GM/Chevy. Perhaps you got a bad lemon on your Silverado? Perhaps you think pushrod engines are old and outdated while DOHC engines are new and sophisticated. IDK, I'm just guessing.
Mintred19 hes just throwing shit out his ass because a big detuned V8 got better gas mileage than a ecoboost TT V6
Mintred19 did my comment offend you lol? The truth hurts huh? 😂
Clorox God detuned lol.
10 years later, the Seqouia 4x4 will be sold for $20,000 while the Expedition will worth $6000 (if still running).
2008 Tahoes are still selling for 20k give or take. We can give that to Chevy
Armando Diaz yes I still find it hard to find reasonable price for Tahoe in the auction as they are expenssive and highly demanded.
Kamal Lenovo yep!
it's the new f150 engine. hasn't been out for 10 years so we'll see how it holds up.
Allah O'ahu and there is already problems with it misfiring due to condensation buildup in the intercooler and the fix it to drill a drip hole under the intercooler which is such a joke lol
Just got the 2017 Armada, drives like a dream, super quiet cab, insane acceleration for a big SUV, and going over 100mph still feels so smooth, like going 60, and quiet cab even at 100mph. The 3rd row has plenty of room, (2 inches more legroom than tahoe I believe with slightly less shoulder/hip than tahoe due to square shape. I can still sit back there fine and I am 6'4...When you lay all the seats down it is like 7.5 ft of space for a mattress to camp in full independent suspension...My only issue is mileage, and that's a given with any big boy SUVs. I am averaging 15.9 mpg and then the back bumper makes it look like it's got a large badonkadonk. I want to find an aftermarket rear bumper since It's the only real issue I have with it. Much cheaper than the Tahoe, of the same year and it is honestly better in every way except, the exterior of the newer Tahoe is gorgeous.
That rear bumper is the only thing bothering me abt the armada lol
I recently rented a Yukon XL, which is basically a Suburban, which is basically a long Tahoe. LOVED driving that truck. It drove very smoothly, got amazing fuel economy with a 5.3 L (an indicated 22mpg avg), and was very comfortable. The thing I noticed about it though, is that it was very inefficient as far as the Interior space. We also had an older Dodge Caravan rental car, and in the Yukon we could fit 3 people and 3 mountain bikes with gear, and in the minivan, we could fit four people, and 4 bikes with gear. And that was a standard wheelbase Caravan, not the long wheelbase. The relatively low ceiling height of the Yukon had us laying the bikes down, while the much higher ceiling of the Caravan allowed us to stand the bikes up.
If one does not need to tow, and all-wheel drive is not a big concern, as uncool as they look the minivan is still the most practical choice as far as interior space and people moving capability.
I immediately like this host. I feel like I’ve been teleported to the 60’s
It’s sweet to see him still doing this
Reliability - Sequoia, Armada
Style, looks - Aramada,
Power - Tahoe
Overall - Armada
Did you just let the dinky armada win in looks against the badass tahoe and the gorgeous expedition?
ford expedition I think so. Anytime I see one, I see a hippo. It actually looks like a hippopotamus
Armada is a winner for reliability? Lol. Guess my sister whose 2016 was in the shop constantly and finally got lemon lawed just got unlucky... but that isnt what I've read online either. Seems to be pretty common
Nissan is and has been shit since 03 I believe
george prout come on, show me the 2016 armada, it doesn’t exist at all.
Ill take the sequoia. Looks the best, most comfortable, durable, and reliable
Why not use the sequoia limited or platinum?
All are nice. I’d personally take the Sequoia or the Tahoe because I think in the long run, both will hold better and are simple common engines.
The Chevrolet Tahoe RST makes no sense at all. Why not just get a GMC Yukon Denali? Toyota needs to redesign or kill of the aging Sequoia.
gedaman brand loyalty.
Ones more luxurious than the other. Also other reasons.
The RST is Sports package for the Tahoe. The Denali is a trim.
The full RST package gives the Premier a sporty suspension with Magnaride, 6.2 with high performance air filter, blacked out chrome...etc. Basically if you want a little more fun with your SUV.
Sequoia update probably coming with the Tundra in next couple years.
Toyota is the best, there is no substitution.....
Why does every vehicle need to be redesigned and updated? Why can't there be just one vehicle in each category that has a little older design and also a less expensive price tag for the normal people to get without a remortgage on their house?
Yes rather get the Toyota last slot longer than the rest tech is not everything would prefer the older simple designed of the Toyota
ryanloveshonda
You could get the 2008 Sequoia as well and save thousands in the process. It's basically the same truck, so why get it new?
ryanloveshonda of course the dumbass would pay 60k for a 10 year old vehicle
The design of sequoia suppose to be simple, however it is simple but everything placed in the wrong place, so the maintenance will be very difficult
luisinhoens90 An 08 Sequoia wont have much frame left by now. The rust rot got to it 3 or 4 years ago.
Jiarui Zhang Esepcially basics like the starter.
what happens when Jon Davis retires?
alexander1485 .....so does Motor week :(
Don’t say that! He is like a grandpa for me! Since I was little I‘ve been watching MotorWeek
alexander1485 everyone goes home.
alexander1485 Gabe Kaplan from Welcome Back Kotter is going to take over for John.
He's only been doing this for 37 years. He's just getting warmed up.
Sorry, but the interior of the Armada was designed in 2012 yet looks better than the Expedition.
A Yates it’s hideous, with that big flat plastic area on the dash. No thanks.
You obviously have not actually been in each of these vehicles. The expedition is far superior in person.
The best looking for me is the Nissan Armada. Second is the Chevy Tahoe. Then Ford Expedition and lastly Toyota Sequoia (oldest).
Joe E. The armada is hideous
The armada is a soccer mom car and is hideous IMO. also I think the best looking is the tahoe, then ford, toyota, and nissan
Joe E. QX80 looks better
ARMADA!!!! or PATROL!!!!
Got a 2001 suburban my dad got when I was a kid still running strong
BUY USED. DO NOT PAY FOR HIGH DEPRECIATION THE FIRST YEAR. 👍💰💰💰👍
I know what you mean, but it is usually easier to negotiate the price on brand new cars than on used cars....
@@Ulghart Don't be delusional kid!
@@MJ47 bought 4 brand new cars. Always had it easier to negotiate the price. More over when you wait to buy your car by the end of the quarter... Used cars, they don't care about selling those
@@Ulghart The average person owns 13 cars in a lifetime, each costing an average of $30,000, according to a report by the National Automobile Dealers Association. If each of those cars was 3 years old, instead of new, you could save nearly $130,000 during your lifetime.
The real money-saver in buying a used car is wrapped up in a sinister-sounding financial word:*depreciation.*
@@MJ47 I don't change my car every 3 years, and usually used cars require extra money changing tires break pads, rotors and regular maintenance. I don't know about statistics, in my personal experience, it works better to go for brand new cars.
This was a total bias review to help push the EcoBoost motor and this is coming from a Ford guy.
I think overall they're really trying to push these twin turbo 6 cylinder and 4 cylinder engines in these big SUVs I'm sorry as long as I'm buying a full-size SUV I want a V8 under my hood not no V6 with two turbos that's probably not going to get to 100,000 miles before you start having problems I rather have a all motor V8
I get why you say this, but the data in real f150s suggest they've been quite reliable. The biggest issue I've seen with the timing chain was fixed in the gen 2 Ecoboost.
WickedVQ I am going for the Armada it has a V8 and it is luxurious that is all I need if you ask me.
@@avninderkaur1766 those things move lol
You were right, all the expeditions up to 2020 have recalls for the cam phasers. Pretty much if you wait to get it fixed, which ford makes you wait until they have the part.. sometimes a year later, you could wreck the engine.
Thanks for not including the dodge durango. I dont know why sometimes is mixed with real full size suvs
Never been in the Nissan, but I have been in the other 3, and third row wise, the Sequoia and Expedition has the best legroom. You can fit grown adults back there and have it still be comfortable for long road trips. The Tahoe, I’d say the third row should only be reserved for kids. Never understood why they sell so many since there are clearly better options. Nissan I would say is a good alternative if you’ve always wanted a luxury car, since it’s straight up a rebadged Infiniti QX80. One can argue that the Escalade is a rebadged Tahoe, but the Armada takes it to a whole new level. The interior is EXACTLY the same as the Infiniti.
Just got the 2017 Armada, drives like a dream, super quiet cab, insane acceleration for a big SUV, and going over 100mph still feels so smooth, like going 60, and quiet cab even at 100mph. The 3rd row has plenty of room, (2 inches more legroom than tahoe I believe with slightly less shoulder/hip than tahoe due to square shape. I can still sit back there fine and I am 6'4...When you lay all the seats down it is like 7.5 ft of space for a mattress to camp in full independent suspension...My only issue is mileage, and that's a given with any big boy SUVs. I am averaging 15.9 mpg and then the back bumper makes it look like it's got a large badonkadonk. I want to find an aftermarket rear bumper since It's the only real issue I have with it. Much cheaper than the Tahoe, of the same year and it is honestly better in every way except, the exterior of the newer Tahoe is gorgeous.
Nissan Armada wins this since Ford has aluminum body and has only V6. Armada interior is exactly like Infinity qx80 luxury, nothing compare to Expedition.
My friend has a platinum Armada and I just test drove the platinum expedition. The Ford is significantly nicer and higher quality.
Really a v6 that is half the size of the v8s in displacement and it only gets 2 mpg better than the biggest and most powerful of the bunch, and then that v6 gets practically the worst mpg when under load, and it is easily the least reliable, yep that sounds like a winner.
lat woods I worked on a ford sponsored race team in an all Ford ecoboost race series. Not a single motor in any car made it through one season without blowing. As for basic engineering, more moving parts is more to go wrong. Turbos typically don't last much over 100,000 miles, turbo engines are under more stress than na engines. As far as reliability reporting, all Ecoboost motors have an atrocious record prior to I believe 2016 when Ford added the secondary injectors to clean the valves. Before then all Ecoboost have an inherant design flaw, yes by those genius engineers you regard so highly, that literally dooms every single Ecoboost engine to a shortened life. Fords solution has been to replace the cylinder head or perform the almond shell blasting to the tops of the intake valves on regular service intervals. Finally, I actually like the ecoboost engines for performance applications. They make great power, but fuel economy is not great and towing with a small turboed gasoline engine is certainly not ideal. Ps: my very own na v8 in my truck has 406,000 miles, no rebuild, just basic maintenance. My dad is the original owner and it was used for construction, towing, and light off-roading, and is still going strong. I keep my vehicles and need them to last. The ecoboost just has not proven to be something that will last.
Shane P interest input on the racing. I wonder why the ecoboost 3.5 does well at LeMans, Sebring, Laguna, etc. not tryna argue here. But those cars perform well with minimal breakdowns. But your claim on your racing team was that they all breakdown.
sweetcheels and don't forget a 647 HP version powers the new GT
sweetcheels Yes, the race class had to use a factory stock 2.0 ecoboost. Engine had to be certified sealed and unaltered. Ford provided a factory tuned ecu. Not a single motor from any team made it one season. Keep in mind, obviously these motors were not being taken apart after every race. They had to be sealed. Most if not all the race teams you are talking about are high dollar and rebuilding and inspecting the motor after every race.
Look how much power/ towing capability it puts out. Better than the v8s. I wouldn’t call it a waste
the values will flip around with the cheap dated toyota being worth more that the rest by far
Looking on Autotrader for the average price of the 2008 models of each car, you appear to be correct.
Sequoia: $16,763, Tahoe: $15,081, Armada $10,704, Expedition $10,761
@@the_judge9771 most seem pretty on but you can get armadas for like 6-8k. They are shit, at least in Texas
Not by much over the Chevy. Can’t really go wrong with the Tahoe if you want a little more truck for almost the same reliability.
That's because Toyota doesn't discount their new models or saturate the market. So you're paying more upfront and then paying interest on top of that.
My mom has a 2005 sequoia and the engine is still running like a champ it’s a beautiful car it just needs a modern touch
9.8 mpg is efficient for V6 TT?
Allah O'ahu that’s still unacceptable consider Tahoe got 11 mpg when towing
Fuel efficient my ass
Many HD fleets are finding out the hard way that the V6 turbo doesn't deliver the real world mileage as stated. Also Pace Bus co. tried several of the engines in their E450 based buses, and found the fuel usage and cost was ON PARE with their older V10s. Down time and maintenance costs were significantly higher with the V6 vs the old ten. The diesel delivered more mpgs than both, but also had higher maintenance costs than the gas V10. As a result, Pace found that in the long run, replacing a worn out V10 with a new long block was more economical then running and maintaining the V6 T or the diesel.
The sequoia and armada is my favorite.
I would never buy a Nissan.
@@newerafrican how come
@@Shane23Armada @@Shane23Armada Horrifically unreliable. Its Infiniti twin I know for a fact is a nightmare. Regardless, Nissan is just shady. My manual gen two xterra, the transmission was taken from the z and put into a truck. They did this because the fj cruiser released with a six speed transmission and the Xterra first gen only had a five speed. The frontier and titan didn't fit in the second gen body, and they didn't have time to make a clutch assembly system from scratch for the vehicle, so they went with the z instead. Long story short, it's known on forums as the 8 thousand miles clutch. They never fixed the issue till the thing was discontinued because they couldn't afford to have the repairs paid for. If they fixed the issue part way through it's production that would be admitting fault, and they'd have to pay. So they kept making a pos truck for years full well knowing it wasnt made to last. That's only one of many issues. Another is on my nissans, my xterra included, their welding robots would leave metal shards on the body. Nissan didn't bother cleaning the cars properly before paint, and what you got is metal shards stuck in your paint that you can't see....muntil they start to rust. Then your car's back end (always the rear for some reason) looks like it has thousands of brown pimples everywhere. None of this, plus many, many other problems, were EVER covered. I hate them. They're about to swirl out of business and I say good riddance!
@@QCJSiteB you probably right, I noticed the parts are not long lasting. I changed alternator around 90k . But I love the rotors they last long.
I have a 2013 Nissan Maxima (bought it in 2015) and it is still running there are no problems it is heavy built and even though it has a V6 it sounds super good compared to my 2017 Mercedes Benz C300 (also a V6). So it really does not make sense TO ME for people to say that Nissans are rot reliable.
Well I do like the new Expedition, My ultimate concern is the reliability of that twin turbo V6, as well as overall cost of maintenance on a more complex engine. How much extra does it cost to maintain a pair of turbochargers? Are spark plug changes needed more often, and if so, how much is each service interval? It's a marvel of an engine, but I'm really concerned about overall cost of operation on it...
Keep the oil changed and at the right level and the turbos should be fine. According to Ford spark plug changes are at 100K miles. People have hit 200K on the ecoboost V6 with proper care.
The new 3.5 Liter Ecoboost V6 has both port and direct fuel injection, so there won't be as much carbon buildup as the last-generation 3.5 Liter Ecoboost V6.
I don't understand why they can't use a V-8 in The Expedition. They switched to a twin turbo V-6 for better mpg, and they still don't beat the Tahoe. I'm sure all of the extra plumbing makes weight issues a push. Put a V-8 in it, and work on fuel management systems. I can't imagine using one of these as a tow vehicle that's pulling pretty close to capacity. It just seems like a turbo (or two), is just the wrong motor for this application.
I also am not a big fan of most of the automakers putting turbos in almost every vehicle they make. It just seems like they're going to be sticking a bunch of people without great means in a bind, when they purchase a "good" used vehicle for $7,500-$10,000, with 125k miles on it, and then have a turbo fail, and leave them a vehicle that they paid $7,500 for 6 months ago, parked in their driveway, because it needs $6000 in engine repairs that they can't afford. It just seems like the affordable, reliable used car, is becoming something of the past, leaving a whole large group of people without many options of having their own transportation.
For full disclosure, I own a Cadillac CT6 with the 3.0 twin turbo, and I love it. It was the only option available. I would have gladly traded it for a normally aspirated V-8, if they offered that. I also have absolutely zero plans of keeping this vehicle beyond 75k miles at most. So yeah, I'm kind of a hypocrite, but options left me with no other option.
Jo LC There are alot of 1st Gen ebs with 200-300k on them and still running like new, and this second gen eb is even more reliable.
tiny b The EB 3.5 makes more torque over a broader rpm range and sooner than the 5.0 V8.
I'll take that Nissan -Patrol- Armada, please!
So the Tahoe got the best MPG and best towing and it's the best looking, but it loses because the center console is too big?!?!
The Armada is ugly inside and out
Turd Ferguson Agree on the armada being ugly. But tahoe will never last
@@samjacobs4769 armada even less. Look at how many titans are still on the road. Nissan has made shit since like 2002, get with the times.
What do you mean? The expedition had the best MPG and best towing..
The ford is better looking, better towing, and more interior features
Mason Senestraro I would trust you the way you spell
It's a miracle that John Davis gave a domestic brand good reviews, namely FORD, and LINCOLN, most of the time he bashes the American brand.
When will you guys start saying woah how about dont buy this because its half the cost of a house. Just wait 2 years and get it half off
jeepthing98 its so true though. Hell even wait a year and youll have a huge discount
someone has to buy them new otherwise they wouldn't make them
Where do you live where a house is that cheap ?
Yup
What about the the reliability ?
Caleb Heifetz they haven’t had the time to do a long term test.
Caleb Heifetz sequoia
It's already been proven that Toyota always has and highest resale value.
Cliff00936 jeep wranglers have the highest resale values
Sequoia will easily be the most reliable. The Chevrolet should be reliable too, but I’ve heard of a couple of people complaining about transmission troubles. Ford’s wild card is the TT V6 (although I know of ones that have hit over 100k in a few years and have had no issues whatsoever). The Armada has been a bit temperamental since it’s inception.
I think the Patrol based Armada and QX80 are outstanding vehicles.
Vehicle critics drive me crazy. All they focus on is how new the design is, how many "features" it has, and really nothing else. As a consumer, I'm interested primarily in function and reliability, not all the extra "features" and "tech" auto makers are adding to tack on an additional 10-15k for larger profit margins.
Land cruiser?
0812rs I think that competes with a suburban or a long wheelbase expedition
Why is no-one asking the obvious question on Pickups and Big SUVs , the PRICES and the escalation ???? 100,000 K for a 'Family Soccer Mom Wagon" or $60 K for a decent twin Cab Pickup ? Pricing has gone Mad, these are elitist prices !
Inflation, cost of labor, content, and quality of materials have all driven up the price. The foreigners can build vehicles cheaper because they don't use unions
NISSAN ARMADA looks amazing, specially new 2021
Low gas prices, we just hit $3.09 yesterday here in Pittsburgh PA. Can't wait until my son graduates and we can move south!
Here in Toledo, Ohio, gas is in the $2.60 range!
93 octane at Shell is $2.75 a gallon or so for me here in Indiana.
I remember 10 years ago, when gas got as low as $1.47! I've never seen it go any lower than that!
Thank you President Trump for bombing Syria! Now shut up and loosen those purse strings like a good American.
don198769
Just avoid California. Gas averages 3.50 in San Diego area and I believe San Francisco is even more expensive.
Motor week screening questions:
1) do you like ford
Ans: no not really
.... that will be all
I see a few people questioning The Tahoe getting better fuel economy than the Expedition. When you hit that gas pedal and those turbos spool up, efficiency is gone.
I learned this when I was in Germany and had a Ford focus with an ecoboost on the Autobahn. It couldn't keep up with German cars, and it drank gas rather quickly.
Also I hear about people getting 200k out of their ecoboost, I would think that is mainly highway miles, not really putting a workload on it.
Not saying that it's a bad engine, I rather the V8.
Armada has the best standard towing capacity
the few only true suvs left
brett fausone amen.
The GM ones will go away from the live axle so there will be no real truck-like SUV😭 but thankfully the v8 is here to stay😂
Land Crusier still there!
That 2nd gen 3.5 Ecoboost and 10speed is fantastic!
Until the turbos burn up at 20,000 miles. I can't tell you how many turbos I've had to replace on friend's Fords (no matter what the engine size) because the turbos are burning up. All because of the solenoid that closes to warm them up quicker in colder months. It's doing more harm than good.
sreilly I’ve never heard of this in EB history but if you say so.
sreilly turbos are easy to replace, unlike gm engines with glazed cylinder walls due to the active fuel management lol
The turbos aren't too bad to replace. The kicker is all the owners of the Fords that I've worked on tell me they don't let their vehicles warm up in the morning, especially when it's cold outside. I think if they let their vehicles run for a minute or two before taking off first thing, it would postpone if not completely avoid the turbos being destroyed.
Honestly, I've never heard of the glazed cylinder walls from the AFM on GM vehicles. I know earlier models of Chevy trucks from around 2008 to 2013 that had AFM had issues with lifters breaking, but I don't see any issues with the newer gen GM trucks with AFM. I bought my 2016 Silverado brand new with only 9 miles on it, and now has 32,000 trouble free miles. I do change my oil religiously every 5,000 miles, and even stuck a borescope in the engine to check out the cylinder walls and the valves and everything looks just fine. But thanks for the heads up! I'll have to keep a closer eye on the cylinder walls.
sreilly What is your definition of cold? I usually let my truck warm up for about a minute
Strange, my picks would be in the opposite order. Maybe y’all need a taste of reality. Put 300,000 miles on all these SUVs and let me know Who’s left.
Definitely the two Japanese cars.
People who pay $75k for an SUV don’t keep it past 100k miles
Probably just the Tahoe and toyota lol
When it comes to American SUVs they actually have absolutely no problem hitting 300K, it’s there cars that are terrible.
@@brocks692 I agree. The Tahoe and sequoia will probably have the best long term reliability.
That Nissan looks like it just got done with the crash testing portion of the test
I would think that what goes for the Chevy Tahoe/Suburban will also go for the GMC Yukon/Yukon XL and Cadillac Escalade
the Sequoia looks the best off-road
This used to be my show to watch when I was a kid in the nineties
For my money:
1. Ford Expedition
2. Chevy Tahoe
3. Nissan Armada
4. Toyota DNF 🦖🦕
which one has the best smoothest ride quality?
Expedition
A Nissan over the new RST Tahoe, really? C'mon guys, stop it.
Man O War Tahoe is $80k. Yeah I'd take the Nissan over that GM junk
Damn right, Armada over the Tahoe!
Man O War why no Dodge Durango ?!
Man O War I actually agree with the verdict and that is coming from someone with the Tahoe. The Tahoe's interior is awful. Everything is oversized including the pillars eliminating ALOT of visibility.
Jake Rheault its classified as midsize
Are these guys insane!? The Sequoia is by far more reliable and styling and design is timeless. Everyone knows that American cars and SUVs look obsolete after only a few years. I have an 08 and love it. Paying more for an unreliable vehicle doesn’t make sense.
Yea ford sure did make a great update on it, if I get good from a court case I’ll buy one lol
I’ll take an Armada thanks. 0-60 5.9 seconds
At the end. The excursion is still the king of SUVs
Ford V6 plus heavy towing.
I rather go to V8.
Best deal is the base Armada with the nice cloth seats. Virtually no difference between the trim levels (and Infiniti version).
MrCarGuy20 I’m full on rooting for expedition in this video but you are so right. I rented one in San Francisco and the cloth was so nice, it was like 80’s velour. The seats were well padded too.
I like Tahoe even Suburban and Escalade but i admit that Expedition is quite nice too. It's full of technology, and i think the build quality is at high level. Based on reviews and consumer experience.
hmm i'll pass, it looks so bland from the front end
How does the Ford's 6000 lbs towing capacity beat the 8500 lbs of the Armada? And i was told by the Ford dealer the expedition is no longer based on the f150 chassis. Which accounts for it's shit towing capacity.
Expedition the one. It's new 10 speed the best looking interior not like Toyota looks like 12 years old SUV
Ive been driving a 2019 Expedition Max Limited. Great vehicle all around but I can see why the GM SUVS sell more ve a long shot. They're big but they handle smaller. Turning radius is better on a Tahoe and even though it's big it doesn't feel like your driving a couch.
Tahoe is my baby!!! ❤️❤️❤️
The Tahoe looks good in that color
I stay with my Jeep Grand Cherokee WJ 2004 v8 4x4.... best of the best for daily use
Great comparison , but if you had to comfortably haul a family of six adult sized individuals , and pack enough luggage for a long vacation which SUV would be best ?
Michael Gehrke expedition L
Impressive that the armada got 2nd considering the patrol platform is already almost 10 years old. Nissan really knows how to build cars for the long run.
We just bought a 2008 Armada (one owner)
This truck is very impressive. Solid. Plenty of power and very comfortable
Solid well built truck
@@jeffreyes1568 Although your '08 is a great vehicle, the '18 is a completely different vehicle. Different body, chassis, suspension, engine, transmission, interior, everything. We've had an '05, '11, and an '05 Titan. I loved them! We now have an '11 QX56. We love that too! I'd like to get a '17 Armada next.
Can't wait to see the Grand Wagoneer or Wagoneer vs these other SUVs for 2022 model year
The Chevrolet Tahoe LS does not come available with a power liftgate, does not have a 40/20/40 split second row seat, and does not have a head restraint on the middle of the second row, and a head restraint on the middle of the third row.
If the Durango was Ram-based like the second gen, it would have been here, and would have won.
Um Lincoln Navigator??
1.Expedition
2. Armada
3. Tahoe
These cars are amazing, far better than cars of my country...
Ford is #1! Can't wait to get one used in 5-7 years!
Jacob Witmer god I know, can you believe the prices? Lets turn $75k into $35k in 3 years.
I just hope that twin turbo V6 holds up in 5 to 7 years
I hope so! I have a 2001 Acura MDX and the timing belt broke 4 days into owning it, destroying the engine! I'm waiting for a new used engine for my car, along with a matching full size spare wheel!
At probably $2500 per turbo, I don't want to be anywhere near one of these with 100k+ miles on them.
tiny b $500.00 per turbo but you won't need to replace any.
Can’t beat the Tahoe. Best of the best.
Their Outdated Engines are Boat Anchors
@@Ford_Raptor_R_720hp_V8 the expedition still uses a fucking v6
Keep track of the VIN numbers on each one tested and see what SUV hits the junkyard last.
I found Sequoia to be best among equal
They missed a lot of full sized SUV's for this video
John Davis=Motorweek period. Over 30 years I think
What happens with the Dodge Durango? Is not enough competition?
You people in this "I wonder how long the TTv6 is going to last OBVIOUSLY it's a reliable engine its been on the market for some years in now it's in it's second generation with port n direct injection so not as much carbon build up .... Expedition for my money
Laquan c No shit, but hey, if people have a problem with the future, let them drive the Toyota dino.
Puff the Magic Dragon lmao facts
Mohanad Samer
Agreed, the reliability card is overplayed by now. And resale value is also another overused argument specially if the car is not up there with the competition. Come on, people just sell a car once, but take for granted they'll drive it for at least 5 years, it'd better be a nice ride.
Laquan c There crap they suck gas and suck at towing
I see a lot of Ecoboost twin turbo's traded in with one or both of the turbo's failing before 100k. They're super powerful and smooth...until they're not.
creek hed I’ve had 4 f150s eb with over 100k ( one with 270. Those expeditions must be driven by morons
Actually Genius, the Ecoboost was completely Reengineered for 2017
making it essentially all-new engine
I knew that the all-new redesigned Expedition was going to be in the TOP 2.
I want that Ford!
More plastic in that Ford than a Fisher Price factory, a parlor trick for an engine, and at that price tag, you can go to a Navigator, so the value sucks. Nice choice, MotorWeek.
When is the new Sequoia coming here??
I will keep buying a dinosaur over any over priced suv that will not last! Love my 2014 dinosaur! I know it will not let me down! Nothing beats a Sequoia! It's a Toyota!
i believe that the armada should’ve been third and the sequoia should stay last place because they’re both lacking android auto and apple carplay which are like big selling points for journalist today
I think they all are good suvs cant go wrong with them, however if you were to go for tahoe, it would probably make more sense to upgrade to the suburban since they are same price
I just cant figure out who can afford these suv's? 20 yrs ago a loaded Tahoe or Expedition was 40 to 45k. Now they are just shy of double the price. Do they get double mpg, last 2x as long, did your pay check double in 20yrs? NO! Just remove all the fancy shit and make cars/trucks/suvs affordable again.
I like the TT v6 in the Fords. But Ford as well as pretty much every brand now is mistaken. While driving nice turbos might give better mpg then NA. But the second you start towing or driving spirtedly its as bad and worse then NA. So whats the point?
Idk if you know this...but their are base trims ..which pretty much have the same shit as a loaded vehicle 20 yrs ago and are around 45 k
Dude said the expedition is more fuel efficient? He didn't see what his teammates wrote down I guess.
Damn that's a nice Ford Tahoe
Expedition gets 9.8 MPG? I get 14 on my 2003 with the 5.4 V8 and I don't have a mortgage payment too boot...
I can’t believe that expedition is number 1
Jeep Grand Cherokee l Or Wagoneer competes ?
Chevrolet Tahoe 1st
Sequoia hands down. Or land cruiser for the price of those others. Easy.
OBVIOUS FORD EXPEDITION THE BEST