Towing and payload, just wish there was a 2 row base utilitarian model for us car campers. overlanders. we have no need, want or will ever use the 3rd row , no luxury car bits = more payload and towing
The rest of the Tahoe's center console is hidden. Up on the ceiling, there's a button that slides the console back for access to a secret drawer and enough room for 4 venti Starbucks fraps.
You can swipe down from the top on the wagoneer screen, take camera and drag it to one of the shortcut buttons on the top left middle so that you can have one touch access to the cameras 👍🏻
Edmundscars, All GM large SUV’s have a button on the pillar, near seatbelt, that you can press (x2) causing the seats to fold down and out, so you can get to the third row.
I agree. I test drove an expedition limited and i felt it to be very soft and "cushiony" almost floaty. I don't know why the car reviews are done by women now who don't have much technical or mechanical information. Hate me, but i said it. Lol
Driven all three a lot and own several full size SUVs. The Jeep is nice, but I’d never own one based on reliability and dealer service. The Tahoe/Suburban is a bit nicer inside but the Ford steers and handles better and the torque from the EcoBoost V6 is fantastic. The GM and Ford are a toss up but no way I’d take another chance on Stellantis Jeep
@wjtinatl The only with the Expedition is that it's overpriced and the Ecoboost engine won't outlast the 5.7L I-Force V8 in the 2020 Toyota Sequoia nor the 5.6L Endurance V8 in the Nissan Armanda.
@@CJColvin well, they’re all overpriced in my book, I looked at a new Suburban Z71 with an 80k + sticker. And Grand Wagoneers’s are close to 100k. Regarding the EcoBoost vs a V8, I don’t think that’s true anymore. There are tons of F-150s with the 3.5 EcoBoost with 200k or more in them still running strong. And the GM v8s haven’t been close to trouble free. Jury is out on the Keep’s Hurricane 6, fingers crossed as it could break Stellantis if it turns out to be problematic. The Armada engine is fantastic, I agree. The rest of the Armada is awful and way past its sell by date and Toyota no longer offers the bulletproof V8, only a Turbo V6 now. Lots of good choices but for me it would only be the GM or Ford’s.
The biggest sin of the Wagoneer? It doesn't have power folding mirrors. You have to upgrade to the Grand Wagoneer to get them. Sorry, but in a vehicle this wide for this price, power folding mirrors standard are a must, especially for those who want to park in tight parking spaces or have to park in a garage. As silly as it sounds, it's a deal breaker. I've used them in my Expedition and Navigator daily.
Well you’ve got the short version of the large SUV’s. If you wanted more spare in the cargo room or 3rd row you’d have to go with the expedition max or suburban. To each their needs.
I have 5 kids and my wife isn't ready for a van. That being said, my entire vehicle market consists of these three. Yes, fuel economy does matter. Not my #1 priority, but it's a factor.
All those chatting about MPG don't drive these trucks/SUVs ..i own these types of vehicles and love it for all the things it does well,,i can carry gold carts, trollers, and 2 suitcases
My wife and I just test drove a fully spec'd Wagoneer ($90k) with air suspension and a full spec'd Escalade ($110k) back to back. The Escalade with magniride and adaptive air suspension was nice somehow we actually preferred the Wagoneer. It just felt like a smaller, easier to maneuver vehicle even though technically it's like 2 inches longer and wider. The Escalade did feel like you're riding on a cloud. I'm going to see if I can test drive the Lexus GX 550 ($81K when maxed out but a little smaller) before I pull the trigger. All 3 tow at least 9,000 pounds and have 3 rows.
I would look at the Expedition Platinum to compare those price ranges. We have a 2023 Limited and love it. Way more power than needed. Smooth and lots of noce features. The Platinum will get you better seats with lots of more adjustments and massage and other things (a bit more engine power also).
We were shopping in this segment a year ago. Test drove the Tahoe Z71. It rode like my 3/4 ton truck and had an interior on par with the quality of a Yugo. The Expedition was a better vehicle, but their trims and option packages made it hard to get what we wanted without buying a bunch of useless stuff we didn’t need. We ended up in a Wagoneer. It has been perfect. The ride is unbelievable with the air suspension, has loads of power in the 5.7 Hemi, and feels much nicer inside than either of the other two options.
Yep their marketing standard very weak They painted a wagoneer and called it a grand wagoneer and choose Cadillac escalade and lincoln navigator as their rivals
I have to say I was always in love with the Expedition and Tahoe/ Suburban . However we hertz pulled came around the corner with three Wagoneer, I was like I know you have that white Suburban in back. But I was already late for my road trip so I just kept it. When I say I fell in love with the Jeep it was awesome, all 8 of us were extremely comfortable. The front passenger seat also had there own screen for entertainment. The only thing about this Jeep is that it is heavy, so you should plan to slow down sooner than you think you need to. Such an awesome underrated vehicle.
First video I have come across with you. i am always Grand Wagoneer video surfing, and I LOVE your enthusiasm. Upbeat. happy, and to the point. at 10:49, you had me as a subscriber. Keep up the awesome reviews. (and attitude)
Just rented an Expedition Limited for 2 weeks. First time with something like these. Mostly it was very good. Good power, comfortable. But the A/C wasn't fantastic. The liftgate didn't go out so high, or perhaps it was angled down a bit towards the bottom. Good head banging height for 6 footers. Perhaps that is adjustable more, but it seemed at its limit. As expected it didn't love being tossed around the backroads of connecticut. Other issues, the wireless phone charger location was difficult to access. While I suspect its the same for all, it was confusing when I first got from the rental agency. so many features, so big. Overall I think for the price it would be hard to find something better in terms of value. I always like small and fast but as I age comfort is nice. Also it held all 7 suitcases plus the rest of out stuff.
How could you forget to mention that the wagoneers third row has a moon roof along with the panoramic roof, and the rear liftgate glass does not open seperately
Just got the wagoneer as a rental car and it was amazing. I have to say, that thing was much nicer than the expedition and suburbans I’ve gotten in recent years. Now, I am not saying that it’s worth all that money, but just wait about 2-3 years and pick one up for half the price or less. I mean, I was really impressed with it.
I'm not a Jeep fan generally and think the Wagoneer looks like a fridge, but I ended up with a Series III today and it was a beautiful drive. I think it had the 5.7L Hemi, which had just the right amount of power. But on the highway it was just incredibly smooth and easy to drive and the amount of room it had was really impressive.
I rode in a wagoneer and it rides very smooth almost floaty. The suburban however with the magniride was just amazing, 18 hour trip and I wasn't fatigued at all and my grandma who can never ride over 4 hours without popping vicodin for back pain didn't take a single pill. It really soaks up the bumps and even eliminates them. The Expedition however, is so harsh its crazy. Ive had about 3 different expedition rentals and it rides worst than my explorer although i do like the ecoboost. I was never a driver in the wagoneer so i can't speak for its handling but it off the suburban and expedition max the suburban handled better. The magniride kept it level in turns, it was ZERO lean, you could take a ramp at 40 mph and it stayed in place. The turn radius was sharper on the suburban also, shocked me i had to get out and check if the rear wheels where also turning.Also, If you use the button above your head in the Tahoe you can slide the entire console back and that's where my mom put her gigantic purse
Jeep/ Chrysler has the best experience building family vehicles. Decades of innovation with the minivans always pays off in their large vehicles. MOPAR all day
What about reliability? Which one will make me spend less time of my life talking to a service department and irritate me less because something stopped working on my less than 3 year old vehicle?
The Expedition and Tahoe are not luxury vehicles where the Wagoneer is at least attempting luxury. This makes a difference amongst those who want a utility hauler or a luxury hauler.
more after utilitarian and camping ,we have no kids, so no need for a 3 row luxury Family school bus .we car camp overland and need cargo space ,payload , max towing
@@ALMX5DP well if it’s a V8 you want it’s either the Tahoe or armada , the ford and Toyota have TTV6s but the Tahoe does also offer a straight 6 diesel which is ideal for towing it just goes less than the ford, Toyota and Jeep . Jeep also has a gas straight 6
No lady. No. Sorry. Tahoe 6.2 by far. The wagoneer is a large van. The leg room in the tahoe is larger than in the wagoneer. I would relegate wagoneer to 3rd place. The tahoe has 1 touch access to cameras . I took the tahoe for a road trip and in a mountain road where speed limit is 120 k/h or 75 miles per hour I rode at 80 milesxhour and the tahoe went flying uphill as of didn't exist. Smooth ride
@ALMX5DP I know it's me but I hate it lol looks like an after market 1982 tape deck stuffed into a pinto. Seriously to me it just looks like lazy designing on a 100k vehicle.
Check out the interior of the GMC Yukon Denali for the new dash layout. For some reason, it’s only available on that specific trim. I would have thought they’d also use it on the Tahoe High Country.
I did an in depth hands on comparison between the Grand Wagoneer L, Yukon Denali XL, and Expedition Platinum Max last spring. My rankings were the same as in this video, GW > Yukon > Expedition. GW was the nicest and felt the closest by far to giving you parity between price and features. The Yukon's interior felt 1-1.5 generations behind the GW's interior at not that big of a discount. The Expedition, though the cheapest of the three, felt noticeably overpriced. The Expedition felt the biggest while driving, the Yukon's ride was flinty, and the GW was smooth all around. From an interior usability standpoint, the GW won hands down for storage, general space, and features actually used by a family. I didn't end up getting any of them, but I'm thinking about reevaluating once the '25s come out.
This comparison is trash. The GW is a much more expensive vehicle aimed squarely at the Lincoln Navigator and the Cadillac Escalade. The correct comparison should have been the Wagoneer, Expedition, and or the Tahoe/Yukon.
My Jeep was great when I first bought it. We took a 1800 mile roundtrip and since then it has stayed in the shop for one thing or another. In fact its in the shop now. 😂 I literally just left the dealerahip, dropped my Jeep off after hours. As I Was leaving I stopped to look at a new 2024 Blk/Blk Tahoe Z71, I wish I hadn't. it looks sexy ah,😂. Thus my reason for looking for reviews. I will be there early to test drive it,😅
Nicely done! The Wagoner is impressive. However, I bought my 2019 Expedition Limited because I needed seating and towing capacity. But when you are towing, the important number is Payload Capacity. My Expedition with the Max Tow and Cargo package can tow 9300lbs and handle 1530lbs of payload ( trailer hitch weight + cargo+ passengers). This is better than many 1/2 ton pickup trucks. Would have been nice to see that comparison with the Wagoner.
The Tahoe might not tow as much as the others but that is a very small issue considering the Ford and Wagoneer are both turbos which don't last and when they die, they are extremely expensive to fix.
My Boss has a new 2024 Grand Wagoneer Series 3 with the new 3.0L in-line-six cylinder dual turbo engine. The vehicle puts his Bentley Continental to shame inside. Gorgeous vehicle.
I own a 2023 GW SIII - L and my neighbor owned 2021 Escalade. After seeing mine daily and riding in it a few times, he switched to a Grand Wagoneer as well, granted his is a 2024, but still. I often see the GW compared to the likes to the Navigator and Escalade, so if you guys haven't done a comparison video of those yet, there's another feature option. Some people love them, like myself. Others think they're overly priced (somewhat fair) or are ugly (personal preference). I've always thought the Escalades looked terrible, so to each their own. I believe that especially for their first outing into the full size and luxury SUV markets, they did a moderate to good job.
I have a 2023 jeep wagoneer carbide, and it’s my favorite car we’ve ever had. It is very accommodating for our family, but there are some flaws. One of the biggest is there are no power mirrors.
Hello...Mam my name is sandeep kamble from financial capital of India (Mumbai ) my question is Which is the robust and durable long lasting full size suv in your view for the Indian environment and roads here ???
With the wagoneer, you'll be on a first name base with the service department because thats where it'll spend all its time. I'm a chevy techinician that works right next to a ford and dodge dealer and you wouldn't believe how many wagoneers get towed in on a regualr basis, and thats info from a dodge technician I work with. For me its the tahoe or expedition i would put my money on.
@@nate.adv282how can he get first hand Experience working on the dodges when he works for Chevy? He says they are towing them all the time and he talks to the guys who work there working on them You didn’t buy a jeep did you?!? 😅😅😅😅
@@TH-camuser1aaThe point was that it's never first hand experience, it's always "what I've been told". How much of this nonsense are you going to believe? Probably all of it 😂😂😂
TRAILER TOWING WEIGHTS (MAXIMUM TRAILER WEIGHT RATINGS) Engine Model GCWR Frontal Area Maximum GTW Maximum Trailer TW 3.0L 4x2 12,300 lb (5,579 kg) 40 sq ft (3.72 sq m) 5,850 lb (2,653 kg) 585 lb (265 kg) 3.0L 4x2 Max Tow 16,500 lb (7,484 kg) 60 sq ft (5.57 sq m) 10,000 lb (4,536 kg) 1,000 lb (454 kg) 563 lb (255 kg) 3.0L 4x4 12,300 lb (5,579 kg) 40 sq ft (3.72 sq m) 5,630 lb (2,553 kg) 3.0L 4x4 Max Tow 16,500 lb (7,484 kg) 55 sq ft (5.11 sq m) 9,840 lb (4,463 kg) 984 lb (446 kg) Refer to local laws for maximum trailer towing speeds.
I have a 2018 Ford Expedition and so far I’m not super impressed with it. The 10 speed transmission has had issues and my mechanic said he works on the transmissions a lot.
You must have had an old Yukon Denali. I’m ditching our 2020 Expedition Max for a 2022 Yukon Denali XL. Night and day difference in how smooth and composed the ride is in the Yukon. Same goes for the power train. Fords variant of the 10 speed is absolute trash - and I owned 3 Ford vehicles with the transmission so far.
@AnontheGOAT I rent SUVs when I travel and am routinely in GMC products. I like my Max limited better. Grand Wagoneer has a beastly engine that is nice too. My Max is quicker (even the specs show that), the transmission has been smooth and rock solid, and the 10 speed transmission is great on the highway. There's more fuss in the GMC, IMHO and it feels like it's working harder. This is the reason we have choices in how we spend our dollars I guess. Both are nice in my opinion.
@@calvinedwards4382 The interior is of more inferior quality(far more cheap plastics and hard surfaces strewn about the cabin), the ride is too soft in normal mode, it crashes over bumps, it can’t handle a turn without feeling like it’s gonna roll over, the transmission shift is horrendous(friend just had his replaced - 2018 Expy), my 2020 will eventually develop transmission issue(already can tell at 30k miles). The only good thing about it is towing capability and the engine. What’s hilarious is that you’re comparing a Limited to a Denali when the reality is that there is no comparison. A more fair comparison would have been the Platinum. My 2020 is also a Limited. The 2022 Denali that’s replacing is superior. The engine has tons of power, transmission feels like it’s not even there. The 3.5 ecoboost is nothing special until the turbos kick in. You’re only stating that the Expy is better because of ownership bias. I would too. But I have no loyalty. If the Yukon fails to deliver, I’ll be punting it too. But so far, doesn’t look like it.
@AnontheGOAT I'm not so much comparing as I am stating my preference. Of course I had options and I chose a Max bc I like it better. I love Denalis and Escalades too but probably would get a Navigator bf I buy either. Next vehicle will likely be an upgrade to a large German or Japanese luxury vehicle. Anyway, enjoy your Nali.
When you are the "latest out of the gate", and have a target, you better be the best out there (and for a price, you'll have to pay for it too). That brings the evaluation of the three very much closer (than maybe presented) here.
I love the Wagoneer but they really dropped the ball by not having power folding sideview mirrors in a vehicle this expensive! Ridiculous, you have to go Grand for such a simple yet necessary feature.
Jeep: Okay we'll pay for the win, only because we are charging so much more for a product that is only marginally better on the surface. Ford and GM: We have market share. Do your best....
The expo needs a redesign on the front dash and more leather. When Chevy drops the refresh next year it’s RIP to ford if they don’t do something quick.
I have a 2023 Wagoneer and I have experienced nothing but trouble with it. I appreciate you like it (apparently I did as well), but it’s a complete turd. I just ordered a 2024 Expedition.
We had a Wagoneer rental about a year back and drove it 10 hours there and back and it was a great vehicle. My cousin even had a Grand Wagoneer for a short while and also loved it. We are currently looking for something to replace our Audi and the Tahoe and Wagoneer are both on the list. Recently, however, the Wagoneer has started to become lower on the list so maybe this idea will bring it back up? Idk, we’ll see
I would never spend that money on a Jeep brand to trust it long term. Not to mention a new engine! These vehicles have so much going on already. The Wagoner is very pretty but way way too expensive and way to much of an unknown
I’ve driven all 3 as rentals. By far the Wagoneer was the best riding. Likr magic carpet smooth. But oof, driving that wide thing through the narrow streets of Honolulu was not a pleasant experience.
Re: Tahoe center console 😂 where’s the rest of it? Are you kidding me? It seems like you put very minimal effort into this review. Sad. These are not at all huge in size as you say and harp on. They represent amazing technology. You totally belittle the products. People driving these could care less about Dr Pepper containers. Omg grow up.
The biggest problem with the tahoe / yukon is they feel like nothing has changed since i owned a 2008 , my 2015 Ram is nothing like a new Ram crazy upgrades
I like older fords but the new ones have always felt cheap on the inside compared to its competitors. You can really see it here. It gives me 2016 F150 with a big screen vibes
We were looking to purchase a wagoneer as well. Our Yukon denali 6.2 has had multiple failures, leaving us stranded over and over. Even the loaner we were given had issues cold starting. I've owned all the big competitors, honestly this can't be worse than my last 2x GM's.
The wagoneer starting price is 20k more than the Tahoe. A more fair comparison is an Escalade and Navigator comparison. I sat in the driver's seat of the wagoneer and felt it was too small. Escalade kills it. The other consideration is reliability I will take the Tahoe and Expedition over a Jeep anyday.
I’m at the market now for a large SUV. It’s between the Ford expedition and the Tahoe. Wagoneer just too expensive and I’m not a fan of it anyway. I’m leaning towards the expedition but the 2025 Tahoe update looks very nice to me in the interior. Plus I do a lot of highway driving so it would be smart for me to go with the diesel that Chevy offers.
We got a '23 Expedition King Ranch in August and we love it. Have over 10K miles with no issues so far, so initial quality has been good for us. Plus they were dealing on the '23 models, you could get $8K off and low 0.9% financing but I don't know if that's the case now.
You should comment on service costs. A lot of the engine service aside from general maintenance in the Jeep requires the body to be removed from the frame. This takes away the ability if most DIYers and elevates the cost greatly to the consumer.
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What do you think is the most important trait for a full-size SUV? Passenger space, comfort, towing capacity, a big V8, or something else?
Towing and payload, just wish there was a 2 row base utilitarian model for us car campers. overlanders. we have no need, want or will ever use the 3rd row , no luxury car bits = more payload and towing
Expedition xl stx offers 2 rows but no dealers order it
Something else. Reliability.
Being electric, R1S please
Bmw x7
The rest of the Tahoe's center console is hidden. Up on the ceiling, there's a button that slides the console back for access to a secret drawer and enough room for 4 venti Starbucks fraps.
You can swipe down from the top on the wagoneer screen, take camera and drag it to one of the shortcut buttons on the top left middle so that you can have one touch access to the cameras 👍🏻
U a g
Man I love the Expedition
Me too the platinum maxs are my fav and I’m a ford guy
Ahhh Jeep, the king of the recall
😂AHHH. That would be ford. But keep telling us how little you don't know. It's entertaining 😅
Ford is the all- time leader in rec
Ford is the all-time leader in recalls. Do your research.
😂😂
Nah new cars are @@westyrice
Edmundscars, All GM large SUV’s have a button on the pillar, near seatbelt, that you can press (x2) causing the seats to fold down and out, so you can get to the third row.
Just bought my 24 Yukon and I am in love w/it ☺️
Tahoe/Suburban has been King for decades for a reason
Any of them from 2006 are junk lol transmission failure and lifter failure major problems
I'm sorry but a Ford Expedition does not ride "really harsh" at all. It's just the least soft but still soft.
Agreed
I agree. I test drove an expedition limited and i felt it to be very soft and "cushiony" almost floaty. I don't know why the car reviews are done by women now who don't have much technical or mechanical information. Hate me, but i said it. Lol
Driven all three a lot and own several full size SUVs. The Jeep is nice, but I’d never own one based on reliability and dealer service. The Tahoe/Suburban is a bit nicer inside but the Ford steers and handles better and the torque from the EcoBoost V6 is fantastic. The GM and Ford are a toss up but no way I’d take another chance on Stellantis Jeep
@wjtinatl The only with the Expedition is that it's overpriced and the Ecoboost engine won't outlast the 5.7L I-Force V8 in the 2020 Toyota Sequoia nor the 5.6L Endurance V8 in the Nissan Armanda.
@@CJColvin well, they’re all overpriced in my book, I looked at a new Suburban Z71 with an 80k + sticker. And Grand Wagoneers’s are close to 100k. Regarding the EcoBoost vs a V8, I don’t think that’s true anymore. There are tons of F-150s with the 3.5 EcoBoost with 200k or more in them still running strong. And the GM v8s haven’t been close to trouble free. Jury is out on the Keep’s Hurricane 6, fingers crossed as it could break Stellantis if it turns out to be problematic. The Armada engine is fantastic, I agree. The rest of the Armada is awful and way past its sell by date and Toyota no longer offers the bulletproof V8, only a Turbo V6 now. Lots of good choices but for me it would only be the GM or Ford’s.
The biggest sin of the Wagoneer? It doesn't have power folding mirrors. You have to upgrade to the Grand Wagoneer to get them. Sorry, but in a vehicle this wide for this price, power folding mirrors standard are a must, especially for those who want to park in tight parking spaces or have to park in a garage. As silly as it sounds, it's a deal breaker. I've used them in my Expedition and Navigator daily.
Holy crap didn't realize it didn't have it on base.
You forgot lack of reliability. You get a lot more with the GM and a whole lot more with the Ford, specially with The coyote engine.
@@danibj no version of the Expedition has the coyote motor in it though
Lol, coyote .......reliable....suurrreee
@@rkalla you’re right and I didn’t know they dropped the v8. Thanks
The physical HVAC Controls in Chevy is the winner for me. I love fords and i have a MME but i really hate touch screen HVAC controls.
Well you’ve got the short version of the large SUV’s. If you wanted more spare in the cargo room or 3rd row you’d have to go with the expedition max or suburban. To each their needs.
Why bother with MPG? The whole point of this segment is that buyers don't care about fuel economy
Exactly
Right
Wagoneer #1
I have 5 kids and my wife isn't ready for a van. That being said, my entire vehicle market consists of these three. Yes, fuel economy does matter. Not my #1 priority, but it's a factor.
All those chatting about MPG don't drive these trucks/SUVs ..i own these types of vehicles and love it for all the things it does well,,i can carry gold carts, trollers, and 2 suitcases
My wife and I just test drove a fully spec'd Wagoneer ($90k) with air suspension and a full spec'd Escalade ($110k) back to back. The Escalade with magniride and adaptive air suspension was nice somehow we actually preferred the Wagoneer. It just felt like a smaller, easier to maneuver vehicle even though technically it's like 2 inches longer and wider. The Escalade did feel like you're riding on a cloud. I'm going to see if I can test drive the Lexus GX 550 ($81K when maxed out but a little smaller) before I pull the trigger. All 3 tow at least 9,000 pounds and have 3 rows.
I would look at the Expedition Platinum to compare those price ranges.
We have a 2023 Limited and love it. Way more power than needed. Smooth and lots of noce features. The Platinum will get you better seats with lots of more adjustments and massage and other things (a bit more engine power also).
@@thomasnew8606better yet, a Lincoln Navigator.
We were shopping in this segment a year ago. Test drove the Tahoe Z71. It rode like my 3/4 ton truck and had an interior on par with the quality of a Yugo. The Expedition was a better vehicle, but their trims and option packages made it hard to get what we wanted without buying a bunch of useless stuff we didn’t need. We ended up in a Wagoneer. It has been perfect. The ride is unbelievable with the air suspension, has loads of power in the 5.7 Hemi, and feels much nicer inside than either of the other two options.
Much nicer just wait till those rear block hoses go bad whole body’s got come off the frame
Just wait 2 years 😅
I just hit 80k miles on mine been amazing so far
FYI, the 5.7 hemi is no longer available so you’re talking about a vehicle that’s no longer available.
Wagoneer #1
At the end of the day the wagoneer is a jeep and we know how well jeeps are made they are complete garbage
All dodge products are garbage 🗑,,and you pay for it all year 😂,,
Yep their marketing standard very weak
They painted a wagoneer and called it a grand wagoneer and choose Cadillac escalade and lincoln navigator as their rivals
Not true, Wagoneers are amazing
Wagoners might have some problems but I LOVE mine!
@@gerifarrell2585Escalade is far superior.
You are going to have to do this review again next year since the Tahoe is being updated this year, and I hear the Expedition may be as well.
I have to say I was always in love with the Expedition and Tahoe/ Suburban . However we hertz pulled came around the corner with three Wagoneer, I was like I know you have that white Suburban in back. But I was already late for my road trip so I just kept it. When I say I fell in love with the Jeep it was awesome, all 8 of us were extremely comfortable. The front passenger seat also had there own screen for entertainment. The only thing about this Jeep is that it is heavy, so you should plan to slow down sooner than you think you need to. Such an awesome underrated vehicle.
The fact that they don’t take into consideration of the wagoneer’s recalls and issues discredits this whole video.
Having driven all 3, everything she said is correct. I would like to find a wagoneer 8 cyl especially if it’s the gw 6.4L
First video I have come across with you. i am always Grand Wagoneer video surfing, and I LOVE your enthusiasm. Upbeat. happy, and to the point. at 10:49, you had me as a subscriber. Keep up the awesome reviews. (and attitude)
Just rented an Expedition Limited for 2 weeks. First time with something like these. Mostly it was very good. Good power, comfortable. But the A/C wasn't fantastic. The liftgate didn't go out so high, or perhaps it was angled down a bit towards the bottom. Good head banging height for 6 footers. Perhaps that is adjustable more, but it seemed at its limit. As expected it didn't love being tossed around the backroads of connecticut. Other issues, the wireless phone charger location was difficult to access. While I suspect its the same for all, it was confusing when I first got from the rental agency. so many features, so big. Overall I think for the price it would be hard to find something better in terms of value. I always like small and fast but as I age comfort is nice. Also it held all 7 suitcases plus the rest of out stuff.
First time seeing a review from you. Great work and entertaining.
How could you forget to mention that the wagoneers third row has a moon roof along with the panoramic roof, and the rear liftgate glass does not open seperately
6:16 doesnt that console slide back?
They biased
Yall there at Edmonds should U Drag these 3 row SUVs
Got my $$ on the eco boost!
@@daves913...same here
Just got the wagoneer as a rental car and it was amazing. I have to say, that thing was much nicer than the expedition and suburbans I’ve gotten in recent years. Now, I am not saying that it’s worth all that money, but just wait about 2-3 years and pick one up for half the price or less. I mean, I was really impressed with it.
I'm not a Jeep fan generally and think the Wagoneer looks like a fridge, but I ended up with a Series III today and it was a beautiful drive. I think it had the 5.7L Hemi, which had just the right amount of power. But on the highway it was just incredibly smooth and easy to drive and the amount of room it had was really impressive.
I rode in a wagoneer and it rides very smooth almost floaty. The suburban however with the magniride was just amazing, 18 hour trip and I wasn't fatigued at all and my grandma who can never ride over 4 hours without popping vicodin for back pain didn't take a single pill. It really soaks up the bumps and even eliminates them. The Expedition however, is so harsh its crazy. Ive had about 3 different expedition rentals and it rides worst than my explorer although i do like the ecoboost. I was never a driver in the wagoneer so i can't speak for its handling but it off the suburban and expedition max the suburban handled better. The magniride kept it level in turns, it was ZERO lean, you could take a ramp at 40 mph and it stayed in place. The turn radius was sharper on the suburban also, shocked me i had to get out and check if the rear wheels where also turning.Also, If you use the button above your head in the Tahoe you can slide the entire console back and that's where my mom put her gigantic purse
Jeep/ Chrysler has the best experience building family vehicles. Decades of innovation with the minivans always pays off in their large vehicles. MOPAR all day
What about reliability? Which one will make me spend less time of my life talking to a service department and irritate me less because something stopped working on my less than 3 year old vehicle?
The Expedition and Tahoe are not luxury vehicles where the Wagoneer is at least attempting luxury. This makes a difference amongst those who want a utility hauler or a luxury hauler.
more after utilitarian and camping ,we have no kids, so no need for a 3 row luxury Family school bus .we car camp overland and need cargo space ,payload , max towing
You are wrong the Wagoneer is the same as Expedition and Tahoe but better, the Grand Wagoneer is there luxury
@@princejeeby yes the L model is suburban size
Yeah also attempting not to sell any.
I rather get the Max edition alot more space
Still would chose the Tahoe but the RST 6.2 without the performance pack
I'll Choose the Z71 with the LT1 6.2L V8 as well
I'd have to drive them, but I still really like the Armada with it's venerable 5.6 V8.
@@ALMX5DP it is reliable but dated .
@@carltongray3302 I'm just fine with dated as long as it has the basics for what I expect out of an SUV that can tow and haul.
@@ALMX5DP well if it’s a V8 you want it’s either the Tahoe or armada , the ford and Toyota have TTV6s but the Tahoe does also offer a straight 6 diesel which is ideal for towing it just goes less than the ford, Toyota and Jeep . Jeep also has a gas straight 6
No lady. No. Sorry. Tahoe 6.2 by far. The wagoneer is a large van. The leg room in the tahoe is larger than in the wagoneer. I would relegate wagoneer to 3rd place. The tahoe has 1 touch access to cameras . I took the tahoe for a road trip and in a mountain road where speed limit is 120 k/h or 75 miles per hour I rode at 80 milesxhour and the tahoe went flying uphill as of didn't exist. Smooth ride
Ugh, those screens that aren't integrated into the dash drive me crazy. Looks like lazy designers just glued an ipad to the dash.
Next year's changes in the GM trucks will be a huge improvement.
@ktpinnacle Hopefully, they fix that screen. And Ford also
As long as it's intuitive and easy to see/use, I really couldnt care less how it integrates into the dash aesthetically.
@ALMX5DP I know it's me but I hate it lol looks like an after market 1982 tape deck stuffed into a pinto. Seriously to me it just looks like lazy designing on a 100k vehicle.
Check out the interior of the GMC Yukon Denali for the new dash layout. For some reason, it’s only available on that specific trim. I would have thought they’d also use it on the Tahoe High Country.
That was a great video! Thanks!. You're a natural for this!.
I did an in depth hands on comparison between the Grand Wagoneer L, Yukon Denali XL, and Expedition Platinum Max last spring. My rankings were the same as in this video, GW > Yukon > Expedition.
GW was the nicest and felt the closest by far to giving you parity between price and features. The Yukon's interior felt 1-1.5 generations behind the GW's interior at not that big of a discount. The Expedition, though the cheapest of the three, felt noticeably overpriced.
The Expedition felt the biggest while driving, the Yukon's ride was flinty, and the GW was smooth all around.
From an interior usability standpoint, the GW won hands down for storage, general space, and features actually used by a family.
I didn't end up getting any of them, but I'm thinking about reevaluating once the '25s come out.
Did you publish your comparison anywhere? Or is this comment just the analysis of your result?
This comparison is trash. The GW is a much more expensive vehicle aimed squarely at the Lincoln Navigator and the Cadillac Escalade. The correct comparison should have been the Wagoneer, Expedition, and or the Tahoe/Yukon.
They’re all pretty great looking.
Great review, and with $1000 for every time she said y'all, I could probably afford one of these.
My Jeep was great when I first bought it. We took a 1800 mile roundtrip and since then it has stayed in the shop for one thing or another. In fact its in the shop now. 😂 I literally just left the dealerahip, dropped my Jeep off after hours. As I Was leaving I stopped to look at a new 2024 Blk/Blk Tahoe Z71, I wish I hadn't. it looks sexy ah,😂. Thus my reason for looking for reviews. I will be there early to test drive it,😅
Ford also sells an eXtra Long Expedition with a lot more interior room.
And Chevy the Suburban
Same as the wagoneer
I love my Wagoneer L, such a smooth ride!
Nicely done! The Wagoner is impressive. However, I bought my 2019 Expedition Limited because I needed seating and towing capacity. But when you are towing, the important number is Payload Capacity. My Expedition with the Max Tow and Cargo package can tow 9300lbs and handle 1530lbs of payload ( trailer hitch weight + cargo+ passengers). This is better than many 1/2 ton pickup trucks. Would have been nice to see that comparison with the Wagoner.
Wagoneer with hd tow has max 10000lb tow rating
Wagoneer
The wagoneer hd tow package has 10k tow rating
@tracydjenkins Yes, got that out of the video. But more importantly, what is its payload capacity??
@@tracydjenkinsthat doesn’t amount to squat if your payload is only 1300lbs lol. You’re going off of Jeep marketing that’s unrealistic.
I’m going Tahoe 100% of the time. No questions asked
i wanna see wagoneer vs grand wagoneer
The Tahoe might not tow as much as the others but that is a very small issue considering the Ford and Wagoneer are both turbos which don't last and when they die, they are extremely expensive to fix.
My Boss has a new 2024 Grand Wagoneer Series 3 with the new 3.0L in-line-six cylinder dual turbo engine. The vehicle puts his Bentley Continental to shame inside. Gorgeous vehicle.
I own a 2023 GW SIII - L and my neighbor owned 2021 Escalade. After seeing mine daily and riding in it a few times, he switched to a Grand Wagoneer as well, granted his is a 2024, but still. I often see the GW compared to the likes to the Navigator and Escalade, so if you guys haven't done a comparison video of those yet, there's another feature option.
Some people love them, like myself. Others think they're overly priced (somewhat fair) or are ugly (personal preference). I've always thought the Escalades looked terrible, so to each their own. I believe that especially for their first outing into the full size and luxury SUV markets, they did a moderate to good job.
I have a 2023 jeep wagoneer carbide, and it’s my favorite car we’ve ever had. It is very accommodating for our family, but there are some flaws. One of the biggest is there are no power mirrors.
Hello...Mam my name is sandeep kamble from financial capital of India (Mumbai ) my question is Which is the robust and durable long lasting full size suv in your view for the Indian environment and roads here ???
With the wagoneer, you'll be on a first name base with the service department because thats where it'll spend all its time. I'm a chevy techinician that works right next to a ford and dodge dealer and you wouldn't believe how many wagoneers get towed in on a regualr basis, and thats info from a dodge technician I work with. For me its the tahoe or expedition i would put my money on.
It's always "what I'm told" and never 1st hand experience....
@@nate.adv282 there’s plenty of videos to show everyone’s bad experience as well. 😜 it’s a wonder why there’s so many out there huh?!😂
@@Anomize23 there really isn't compared to the actual volume of vehicles sold. But you probably believe everything you see on social media 😉
@@nate.adv282how can he get first hand
Experience working on the dodges when he works for Chevy?
He says they are towing them all the time and he talks to the guys who work there working on them
You didn’t buy a jeep did you?!?
😅😅😅😅
@@TH-camuser1aaThe point was that it's never first hand experience, it's always "what I've been told". How much of this nonsense are you going to believe? Probably all of it 😂😂😂
Huge deal breaker for me is that they have captain chairs, only making them a 7 seater… for that size it better have 8 seats.
Same here.
you can option a bench seat on Expedition and Wagoneer. Tahoe is based on the trim you choose.
@@santanaharold84 you cannot get a Tahoe on a higher trim with a bench, makes no sense, it should be an option.
@@cesarhidalgo23yes you can lol
@@manymeez1406 not what the dealer told me for 2023
TRAILER TOWING WEIGHTS (MAXIMUM TRAILER WEIGHT RATINGS)
Engine
Model
GCWR
Frontal Area
Maximum GTW
Maximum Trailer TW
3.0L
4x2
12,300 lb (5,579 kg)
40 sq ft (3.72 sq m)
5,850 lb (2,653 kg)
585 lb (265 kg)
3.0L
4x2 Max Tow
16,500 lb (7,484 kg)
60 sq ft (5.57 sq m)
10,000 lb (4,536 kg)
1,000 lb (454 kg)
563 lb (255 kg)
3.0L
4x4
12,300 lb (5,579 kg)
40 sq ft (3.72 sq m)
5,630 lb (2,553 kg)
3.0L
4x4 Max Tow
16,500 lb (7,484 kg)
55 sq ft (5.11 sq m)
9,840 lb (4,463 kg)
984 lb (446 kg)
Refer to local laws for maximum trailer towing speeds.
I have a 2018 Ford Expedition and so far I’m not super impressed with it. The 10 speed transmission has had issues and my mechanic said he works on the transmissions a lot.
I LOVE my Expedition Max, and that's coming from a Denali.
You must have had an old Yukon Denali. I’m ditching our 2020 Expedition Max for a 2022 Yukon Denali XL. Night and day difference in how smooth and composed the ride is in the Yukon. Same goes for the power train. Fords variant of the 10 speed is absolute trash - and I owned 3 Ford vehicles with the transmission so far.
@AnontheGOAT I rent SUVs when I travel and am routinely in GMC products. I like my Max limited better. Grand Wagoneer has a beastly engine that is nice too. My Max is quicker (even the specs show that), the transmission has been smooth and rock solid, and the 10 speed transmission is great on the highway. There's more fuss in the GMC, IMHO and it feels like it's working harder. This is the reason we have choices in how we spend our dollars I guess. Both are nice in my opinion.
@@calvinedwards4382 The interior is of more inferior quality(far more cheap plastics and hard surfaces strewn about the cabin), the ride is too soft in normal mode, it crashes over bumps, it can’t handle a turn without feeling like it’s gonna roll over, the transmission shift is horrendous(friend just had his replaced - 2018 Expy), my 2020 will eventually develop transmission issue(already can tell at 30k miles). The only good thing about it is towing capability and the engine.
What’s hilarious is that you’re comparing a Limited to a Denali when the reality is that there is no comparison. A more fair comparison would have been the Platinum. My 2020 is also a Limited. The 2022 Denali that’s replacing is superior. The engine has tons of power, transmission feels like it’s not even there. The 3.5 ecoboost is nothing special until the turbos kick in. You’re only stating that the Expy is better because of ownership bias. I would too. But I have no loyalty. If the Yukon fails to deliver, I’ll be punting it too. But so far, doesn’t look like it.
@AnontheGOAT I'm not so much comparing as I am stating my preference. Of course I had options and I chose a Max bc I like it better. I love Denalis and Escalades too but probably would get a Navigator bf I buy either. Next vehicle will likely be an upgrade to a large German or Japanese luxury vehicle. Anyway, enjoy your Nali.
@@calvinedwards4382 ah gotcha. Navis probably have the nicest interior but if I didn’t need to tow, I’d be getting a GLS.
Try the new platinum with the seat massagers
Very cool info and you are straight hilarious. I kept watching for the info but also the hilarious commentary.
If you want to keep it forever, the Ford has aluminum panels that won't rust.
That power train will give it out long before that lol.
Ford have got the power train sorted out this is not the first generation my 2015 eb is very reliable 150k runs good .
@@anthonybartholomew2173 oh but you’re so wrong. Cam phasers, fuel dilution, 10R80 failures, etc etc.
Quality and reliability is probably the main concern on the Jeep. I never had a good one. So sticking with the Tahoe.
When you are the "latest out of the gate", and have a target, you better be the best out there (and for a price, you'll have to pay for it too). That brings the evaluation of the three very much closer (than maybe presented) here.
The Jeep Wagoneer is priced to compete with the Lincoln Navigator not the Expedition. The Lincoln Navigator starts at 83,000 dollars.
I'm sure the Tahoe will outsell both of them.
I love the Wagoneer but they really dropped the ball by not having power folding sideview mirrors in a vehicle this expensive! Ridiculous, you have to go Grand for such a simple yet necessary feature.
Jeep: Okay we'll pay for the win, only because we are charging so much more for a product that is only marginally better on the surface.
Ford and GM: We have market share. Do your best....
😂🤡
Escalade, Yukon, Navigator, Grand Wagoneer 👍... the best
The expo needs a redesign on the front dash and more leather. When Chevy drops the refresh next year it’s RIP to ford if they don’t do something quick.
You can put short cut on the camera where you just hit the button on the ford
Great review, loved the video Emme.
Lmao, did she just say “road soda”? 😂
I have a 2023 Wagoneer and I have experienced nothing but trouble with it. I appreciate you like it (apparently I did as well), but it’s a complete turd. I just ordered a 2024 Expedition.
We had a Wagoneer rental about a year back and drove it 10 hours there and back and it was a great vehicle. My cousin even had a Grand Wagoneer for a short while and also loved it. We are currently looking for something to replace our Audi and the Tahoe and Wagoneer are both on the list. Recently, however, the Wagoneer has started to become lower on the list so maybe this idea will bring it back up? Idk, we’ll see
I would never spend that money on a Jeep brand to trust it long term. Not to mention a new engine!
These vehicles have so much going on already. The Wagoner is very pretty but way way too expensive and way to much of an unknown
SUVs stopped being cool when manufacturers stopped building alternatives to them. Seriously, everybody doesn't NEED a giant box on wheels
It is easy to see why Jeep is the clear winner here. It's no wonder they have the most awarded SUVs on the planet. There is a reason for that
I’ve driven all 3 as rentals. By far the Wagoneer was the best riding. Likr magic carpet smooth. But oof, driving that wide thing through the narrow streets of Honolulu was not a pleasant experience.
Re: Tahoe center console 😂 where’s the rest of it? Are you kidding me? It seems like you put very minimal effort into this review. Sad. These are not at all huge in size as you say and harp on. They represent amazing technology. You totally belittle the products. People driving these could care less about Dr Pepper containers. Omg grow up.
at 8:43 she confuses the expedition for the Jeep, had me doing a double take
The biggest problem with the tahoe / yukon is they feel like nothing has changed since i owned a 2008 , my 2015 Ram is nothing like a new Ram crazy upgrades
I like older fords but the new ones have always felt cheap on the inside compared to its competitors. You can really see it here. It gives me 2016 F150 with a big screen vibes
Those prices come with universal pay checks?
Ford's tech system works SO WELL
Jeep will break down like no other
Before watching - my money is on the grand wagoneer.
It just feels like it's price. Even though that price is a lot
3:10 also, drive and reverse should not be two identical buttons about an inch apart.
At least make the move different directions.
11:58 bad news editors, I think a typo slipped through.
Too bad, I'd love this jeep for that price..... Not that I could afford it. Lol
As a chevy salesmen I can say the tahoe and gms, offering more engine choices and lots of room, its the best in segment.
I test drove them all, bought the Wagoneer.
We were looking to purchase a wagoneer as well. Our Yukon denali 6.2 has had multiple failures, leaving us stranded over and over. Even the loaner we were given had issues cold starting.
I've owned all the big competitors, honestly this can't be worse than my last 2x GM's.
Emme!!!!!❤
Do any of these have 3rd row A/C?
Please include safety in your review. People buy these vehicles because they have a family, so safety is a big deal
The wagoneer starting price is 20k more than the Tahoe. A more fair comparison is an Escalade and Navigator comparison. I sat in the driver's seat of the wagoneer and felt it was too small. Escalade kills it. The other consideration is reliability I will take the Tahoe and Expedition over a Jeep anyday.
on the other hand, there are 3 level of the Wagoneer. Level 1,2, and 3 competes directly with the Tahoe, Yukon, and the Escalade.
You can keep the Wagoner because it will stay in the shop.
I live the suspension of the ford it's similar to bmw
Ford Expedition and Chevrolet Tahoe are the Same Size only Except for Jeep Wagoneer
Which one is the most reliable?
The new wagone air has been proven pretty bulletproof so far
Neither
Emme rules! Great video!!
I’m at the market now for a large SUV. It’s between the Ford expedition and the Tahoe. Wagoneer just too expensive and I’m not a fan of it anyway. I’m leaning towards the expedition but the 2025 Tahoe update looks very nice to me in the interior. Plus I do a lot of highway driving so it would be smart for me to go with the diesel that Chevy offers.
We got a '23 Expedition King Ranch in August and we love it. Have over 10K miles with no issues so far, so initial quality has been good for us. Plus they were dealing on the '23 models, you could get $8K off and low 0.9% financing but I don't know if that's the case now.
There's a reason the Tahoe outsells everyone. ...just saying.
I would trust Chevy with the 5.3 LS for reliability
Its not ls based anymore been like that for years now
The Wagoneer is by far the most unconfortable, unstable, not fuel efficient SUV I've ever had the displeasure of driving.
Give me ford . Don’t need the adorable options like the jeep womaneer .
Who?
You should comment on service costs. A lot of the engine service aside from general maintenance in the Jeep requires the body to be removed from the frame. This takes away the ability if most DIYers and elevates the cost greatly to the consumer.