Simucube's WORLD FIRST FORCE FEEDBACK Sim Racing Pedals! - RAW FIRST IMPRESSIONS
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Ever since I got into Sim Racing, it's been pretty clear to me that there has been three things missing when compared with real-life racing. A sense of danger, a sense of sustained cornering g-forces, and a sense of how the brakes are actually performing underfoot. So when Simucube announced the world's first ACTIVE Force Feedback Sim Racing Pedals, I was extremely excited.
Thanks to you guys, we were chosen to review these pedals through Simucube's community vote, so today we begin the review process with my very raw first impressions.
There's still a lot to unpack for the full review, so be sure to stay tuned for that in a few weeks' time!
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TIME STAMPS:
0:00 - Why I'm Excited
1:30 - Important Information
2:45 - Hardware
5:02 - Software
20:54 - Driving Experience
31:00 - Preliminary Thoughts
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Products like this need to come out so it can eventually trickle down!
You hit right on the head my friend. I was thinking the same thing.
At 4500 euro's thats alot of trickling .. It'll need some weapons grade Gonorrhea frankly.
@@5thelementcannabisproduction 😂
@@5thelementcannabisproduction definitely several years with a price point at about half what it is now is the best I'd expect. But they can charge whatever the hell they want right now because they're the only game in town for ffb pedals.
@@gtifury310 Ya , I know that .. Sheash you this much fun at parties aswell .. I make a quality joke , and its like I'm trying to tickle a piece of furniture
Sim Racing has really peaked (Full Motion + VR + Feedback all over) and it never was less possible to afford this stuff 😂
We just need G forces now lmao
@@Artiick just dumb all of your gear in a giant centrifuge and there you go (at least for acceleration ^^)
@@Artiick I say that there could be a rig on a track, moving based on the cars position and sliding back and forth to simulate g-force. It may work or may not
@@schizophreniagaming4058 thats called a car
@ a 2-plane track like a 3d printer
Tried those at the Simracingexpo last year and I was also blown away. Braking is much more intuitive.
Ok are unaffordable for the majority of us but also the first direct drive wheels were at the time.
@@Trollyulian do you have a link to the post
th-cam.com/video/hGqJAhKMDJU/w-d-xo.html
At the moment from what it looks like it’s just running off an arduino and springing back. Will take an awful lot of work to react to telemetry, etc in real-time. And probably a lot more processing power than it has currently. It’s a cool concept though!
Direct Drive wheels still are lol.
@@billbaggins1688 I don't know how 500$ is super expensive compared to what they were
so in 15 years i should be able to get some.... why can't i just use a giant dual sense set-up..... GT 8/logitech dual sense pro pedals.....
The fact Max Verstappen said in a rennsport stream he is for sure going to buy them, is the biggest testament how good these pedals are. The fact you are already quicker in 7 laps....this thing is next level.
He not buy this. Simucube is the partner of red line 😬😬. Verstappen makes advertising
@@alkallata80 he is an adult with money and will buy them if he wants, regardless of his sponsors.
@@stonyfieldmotorsports he does not need to buy them ... they will give it to him
@@stonyfieldmotorsports Max is for sure especially in his spare time totally the kind of guy to just speak his mind whatever sponsers he has. He is an f1 driver and bashed the offical f1 game many times, allthough Red Bull uses it every race to market f1 and Red Bull.
This is pocket change to Max. Whether he buys them himself or is provided them is largely irrelevant as he would not be making the same considerations as someone earning a normal income.
But yes, he does seems like one to always speak his mind regardless of the potential consequences with sponsors, etc. He certainly didn’t hold back on rFactor. 😂
I own 2 pedals for a few weeks now and I seriously doubt Will's thoughts will change after the actual review. If anything I find them more mind blowing now than I did the first day.
as you get more use to them, they must be amazing. I'm very good at trail braking in real life but terrible in a sim. I only have fanatec pedals but I can't imagine how helpful these things must be. Just being able to adjust the length of the pedal throw is amazing
I am currently using simtrecs pedals but deff struggle with trail braking and proper throttle modulation do you find these bad boys worth the hype? after having them a few months ?>
@@jcsquared1111 yeah they are getting better with updates to the software. Really cant imagine sim racing without them.
If only I could get these they look so good
All nice. The different format of two videos, your reaction, the concern for the price and what it means for those that cannot afford them and the open space for a new technology that I'm sure will become a standard...
i hope it will... At 600€ i'm sold. the pedals are the most important part of the sim rig
@@fitech2454 Same for me, I'm not spending anywhere near 4,400 euro for 2 pedals. I made some insane purchas in tech, even higher then these pedals so I would fit in their target market; but this are "just good pedals", it's simply overpriced for what it is.
@@turbohenk702 I guess fanatec will be the first brand to sell these kind of pedals still at a high price tag but lower than that.
@@fitech2454
Mit anymore, the Chinese are way faster these days.
@@AttilaTheHun333333China will make this for 1000$
Will’s reaction is priceless 👍
I’ve built my entire rig around his reviews, these are out of my price range, but they look unreal..
Well done on the hardyakka socks mate, l race in whatever socks l have on, your fair dinkum and it shines through in your reviews..
Haha best socks I’ve ever owned. Picked up about 20 pairs from the bargain bin at Bunnings. It’s like walking on a cloud. 😂
Glad our videos have helped you!
As a fellow Aussie I’m also really enjoyed the hard yakka socks. And @boostedmedia I also am excited that this product exists. I spend way more time watching you rather than actually sim racing. Great video as always. 👏🏻👏🏻
@@boostedmedia l know the gear is awesome if you say it’s awesome, that’s good enough for me.. And l use your discount codes or links where boosted gets a small %
NLR GT Elite + ES1 seat
MOZA R9, GS & CS
Fanatec CSL Elite V2
VNM handbrake
SG racing sequential shifter pro (the only thing I’ve purchased that l couldn’t find a review from you, but SRG did a great review on it, arrives next week hopefully)
The sheer joy is a pleasure to see and hear. Amazing
watching you good sir always makes me want to get back to sim racing, although i only have a logi g29 in a playseat. your passion is infectious. continue to spread good vibes to everyone. cant wait for the next one!
Yes he is very infectious,this Virus cost me around 25000 Euro,and i fear after this Video i need new medicine from Simucube
Okay, i'm canceling my order Invicta pedals….. look at the price….Ok, i didn't say anything 😂 Thank you for sharing your experience ! 😉
I saw a few other people had already reviewed them, but waited to see the definitive review.
You’re absolutely the go to guys for testing hardware - bloody good place to be 👍
I friggin love seeing you react like this and sharing it with all of us. These look amazing! Thanks for sharing.
Just watching how happy you were testing these was the best part of my day.
It's brilliant that simucube brought these to market. As you pointed out, this tech will filter down to other manufactures, reducing cost, something that a vast majority of the community, who tend to be "stuck in their own ways" seemed to have missed... Let's see what cost brands like simagic or moza can bring similar products to market at!!!
Can't wait for people to start making their own versions of this. DIY sim community always finds a way.
So cool that there are NEW developments in the Sim Racing world.
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Typical race car driver I went straight to the driving experience. Fantastic to hear your feedback so far and completely agree exciting where the technology is going and hope cheaper options come out in time.
Great to see your laptime reaction 👏
typical race car driver telling everyone hes a race car driver
Great first look video Will. I have never seen your eyes so wide while you were driving! The expression on your face says it all! Thanks for the video :)
Great stuff Will.
A full-feedback gated shifter which grates, grinds after poor clutch inputs perhaps even fails/loses gears is another thing I'd love to see in the future. Can't imagine how complicated or expensive THAT product would be though...
Good stuff Simucube!
Fantastic, excited and fair account on first review. Bloody well done.
Hopefully and probably the tech will filter down to realistic price levels.
Again, great review.
I've been waiting for your review since they got announced!
Thanks Will, your reaction alone tells me most of what I wanted to know. I’m in it for the joy of driving, anything that adds to that is worth the money.
Awesome an absolutely genuine review Will. Nice work.
This is the thing that I have been longing for. I can even see how they're helping you feel the entry to the corner. Through Aqua Minerale it was very perceivable how it was helping you. so amazing! thanks for the video
Wow, this is actually blowing my mind.
For a long time, everytime I clutch in in a car I wonder "when will someone come out with a force feedback pedal so I can actually feel the clutch biting", but this honestly goes beyond my wildest dreams! The guys at simucube are actually insane, this looks so good! Yhea, it's just an initial impressions, but from your reactions just playing with the settings, it seems they absolutely nailed the feel!
I can't wait for the tech to mature and come down in price!
Amazing how the sim technology is cacthing up to the real thing (feel). The test reactions and emotions makes me want to purchase them let alone getting PB race times. Very cool, thank you for a great review as always BM.
This is the most excited I've seen you in a video since the NLR V3.
Square curve throttle could be a significant advantage in cars with no traction control and f1 titles, which require delicate throttle control to be fast. This pedal set is really impressive. Thanks for always putting out quality content to feast upon.
eh i think that can be recreated on normal pedals, nothing's stopping you putting a linearity adjustment on them. on that aspect these just provide more adjustability for the feel and the opportunity to implement a bunch of immersion stuff that a spring cant achieve.
its so priced out of my range but this is exactly what's needed in sim racing. amazing video as always!
Wow! You gave me goosebumps towards the end there. Great vid! 😎👍
I feel like we watched you genuinely get quicker the moment you really started pushing on the brakes! Seriously cool tech, and great perspective to keep with that price. Like many other comments have said, hope this stuff comes down to affordable prices in the near future I'd be picking up a set immediately
Bro, your videos keep getting better. 👏👏👏👏 excellent job
The fact that this now exists is amazingly exciting. I'm new to simracing but immediately I noticed the lack of feedback from pedals compared to my car IRL. Adding that would be the greatest immersion increase I can think of.
It about time! Hopefully we gonna see other like that with other provider ! Nice video !
Watching your reaction after watching your videos for years just shows the technology behind these. Hopefully there will be more affordable ones in the future or I hit the lottery lol
Great review as always
Out of the question for me but I'm so excited to see this tech. Great review
Will's expression at 22:27 and again at 31:11 Priceless.
And a sneaky Tom in the background 😀
“High end equipment doesn’t make you faster, it’ll make you more consistent.”
These pedals: “Here’s an immediate 0.250s improvement of your PB. You’re welcome.”
These are a game changer. Just gonna be a small percentage that can experience it for now. I’ve been saying to myself ever since I experienced Haptic Feedback on my PS5 controller I wanted something like that implemented into all my sim gear. Like the wheel, pedals, the seat. Haptic style feedback feels really nice I think and if it’s a stronger sensation the better. These pedals have impressive feedback plus the mechanical movement which is pretty awesome. So cool. But yes they are very expensive.
The ultimate Sim Rig:
-21nm DD Wheel
-Simucube FFB pedals
-State of the art VR
-Full racing seat
-Full motion movement mechanism
-Tightening harness straps
-Enclosed cockpit with inflatable side walls (for g-force replication)
-Bass shakers
$100,000 later
@@mrcael1887
Hehe that would awesome.
Such a genuine review and reaction. I'd love so much to try these but they are so out my price range. Hopefully there will a price review in some time 🙏🏾👏🏾👍🏾
What an amazing time to get into this hobby
Awesome review as always Will!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great review!
For those of us with a lot of money to burn, they seem an excellent all-in-one solution.
Not just for sim racing, but possibly for flight simming as well!
Having two pedals act as if they are mechanically linked, like rudder pedals, should be fairly straightforward to make possible via a software upgrade. Switching out racing pedals for rudder pedals would be a thing of the past.
As is using a mechanically sprung clutch and accelerator together as a rudder, which is an imperfect solution.
For people running a dual set up and shopping in the top segment, this could be an added feature, if Simucube were to implement a “linked”-mode.
Just amazing. I won't be an early adopter but I'm not ruling out saving up for tech like this in the future. Great vid Will.
Looking forward to the in-depth look at what you think actually makes them faster. The feel and experience will speak for itself.
I had same experience. Installed the active pedals and jumped into a track car combo I had set a personal best and within 10 laps took a second off my personal best using previous high end pedals. It’s crazy money but if you can afford them and are a die hard sim racing hobbyist it is best investment for immersion combined with d-box.
Been waiting for you to do a video on these. Thank you!!!! Hadn’t been able to find pricing until this video either. Awesome coverage man! Wish i could like and subscribe twice 🤣. Looks like i have for sure found this years savings focus❤️🔥🤘🏽
I love the music overlay towards the end there!
I quit sim racing fairly quickly after buying my first wheel because I realized breaking feedback was needed in order to stop making breaking feel like a gamble.
Breaking is a massive part of racing and it surprises me a little that it has taken so long for these to be developed.
It's very nice to see how excited you are for it and how well it works. I hope they'll be able to make these affordable for most people.
I will never probably have the opportunity to try these, but what I can say is Mounting a Dayton Transducer to your brake and configuring it with abs is super nice feeling. I have the transducer mounted direct to the back of the brake pedal on my HE Ultimates and it is a game changer when configured right.
This is next level.
Great video! 🤓 Very informative as usual.
Looking at the pedal cam and seeing it literally was fighting your foot with the ABS FFB, is mindblowing
That look on your face, sold me the the pedals right there, priceless totaly bonza review, and why no Monaro in sim racing , great content
I'm so exited that someone actually made FFB pedals. I've been wanting them for years and years
they've existed for a l;long time fanatics clubsport v3 pedals have a ffb break pedal, its only supported in i racing so most ppl dont know abt it cant wait for more devs to support ffb pedals
Well I came here with the urge to trash talk the price but after seeing your reaction and the results I must say I've been humbled. Brilliant and congrats on your new purchase! 😉
wow! great video and great to see such an innovation! the price will sure come down with time as more of these things will be produced
The first experience video I needed.
thank god these finally exist bro i was literally searching everywhere for these even made my own designs for something similar i wanna know is there a clutch one that can simulate clutch bite point in games
awesome content ... love the reaction 😂 . rlly looking forward to full review. obviously way too pricey but great to see whats possible atm ... this will get cheaper long term thou 😊
Hey Will, sick review man!!! These things are way above the rest of my gear😅
Love the impressions....can't wait to get them. Added myself to the waiting list. You mentioned nothing for sustained g-forces. I have the Simxperience GS-5 seat that gives a good feel for g forces and works for traction loss as well....that with the G-Belt adds to my immersion and feedback feel.
Waiting for full review. Last time i beat pr in a few laos was when i switch fanatec csl pedal to heusinkveld sprint. Added pre-irder in cart.
So now we are going to wait for Simagic to make their version that probably will be half the price.😀
That was a properly wholesome video of a man who has realised he's living his very best life!!
These would be great for a flight sim too. Controlling the rudder in flight does have natural feedback in air.
So excited for this tech to start trickling down into price segments that are obtainable the way that DDs have. Every pedal manufacturer needs to be getting their hands on these for market research.
Lovely moment there when you decided to 'pick up the pace' lol. Love the review btw.
Thumbs up for the video. Let's hope cheaper solutions will be available in the future.
Superb video as usual
The smile on your face when you start driving is all I need to know. The question is whether or not a 2nd pedal is necessary or if a brake pedal is enough.
Love your enthusiasm. Now I will just wait for the exchange rate to recover!!!
Awesome! I can’t wait for these to come to market around $500 - $600. Ganna change the game!
I just added three big rumble motors to each pedals of my Fanatec Pedals with a 3D printed adaptor and a Arduino board. Created some code for my Simhub. Even this is game changing - to feel the clutchpoint, abs and motor vibration. This looks even better, but at a cracy price.
Wow! Heard about these last year, but this is first actual full drive with them. Incredible that you improved your time, Will, in Minutes!! One question: Does Simucube provide suggested or baseline setups for these for throttle/brakes for each Sim? I have an SC2 Ultimate and they did originally provide suggested base setups for ACC and others. Looking forward to more later on your ongoing impressions and results! :)
this is amazing and will be a huge step forwardin the sim racing industry. looking forward to buying the affordable version of this in 2040
Wow very nice set of pedals out of my league well done Simucube Raising the Bar . love the vid keep up the great work you all do be safe
The price is really nice as well. 😄
But other than that they indeed look absolutely great. If you are already pouring thousands of dollars into sim racing pedals, might as well buy these, cry once and never think about pedals again.
@@vaenii5056 The price is not great lol .. But i hope other pedal manufacturers will see what can be done and make there own and the price will come down
@@mansgamings5329 Yeah they are shockingly expensive. Hopefully over the years the prices will go down and there will be more alternatives on the market.
Dude, you are best youtuber ever! Dang those pedals! 4 months salarie for the pair! Can't do it! 😢
Awesome video as usual Will, nice initial feedback! How's the feeling when traction control kicks in?
They look nice.
*puts new spring in my G29 peddles
21:41
This man, Will, reaction…priceless. Been watching your videos for years never seen a reaction like this from you bro! I agree if this was much more afford I would get these but I can’t stomach $2500 for one pedal.
This is amazing!
Seeing this reaction I said "I need to get these now!" I went over the website and said to myself "Well I have one more reason now to love the Simagic pedals I have"
Wow, simucube slams it out of the ballpark once again... did not see these coming! Well done Simucube and Boosted Media.
Its almost like you'll need a new review system for pedals like this - the interface and feel replication with a separate section on actual driving. Great stuff.
Im really looking forward to that tactile transducers versus the Simucube pedals video. I assume that the throttle vibrations can just as well be conveyed through tactile transducers. You would probably not get the „fighting against ABS“ feeling in the brake but maybe the vibration is enough to make you feel what’s going on and therefore make you as fast. Though I expect the improvement to take longer since interpreting vibrations is not as intuitive as interpreting force, it might be the same in the end.
If there's one thing I've learnt through testing so many different types of hardware through so many different price brackets it's that your brain is amazingly good at filling in the blanks. I do think there's still a lot of unrealised potential in the simucube pedals though. For example they dont yet respond to brake fade and alter their feel dynamically but it's certainly possible to do.
Agree Dave, it it worth and extra $5500 Aud over tactile transducers? Think not.
I wonder how hard it would be to DIY some FFB Pedals. I think the hardware is probably the easy part, it is mainly the software where the magic happens.
You are probably right, the motors themselves are actually pretty cheap but it is not easy to to make them smooth when external force is applied and they have to counteract. I might try experimenting with these motors. Maybe I can build such a pedal. But I probably need to buy little Servo motors instead of using the stepper motors I have laying around. First of all, I will try to replicate the effect with tactile transducers. I already ordered one for my Brake.
look forward to seeing the review. Do you know if they are going to release a cheaper pedal to pair with the active pedals as a accelerator and clutch?
I have no intention of buying one of these at that price point, but I was REALLY curious what possible benefit FFB pedals could provide. But, seeing your leg slightly vibrate the first time you hit the brakes in the sim, I'm sold. Use case proven, this is a technology worth exploring.
I can't wait for the review. I'm seriously considering getting at least a brake pedal. But it would be cool if they made a "ActivePedal Sport" for the less critical accelerator and clutch pedals instead of using 3 of these monsters for the full set.
Only trouble is, pretty much the only way to reduce the cost is to use less quality parts, the motor would be pretty much the only thing they can use to reduce cost wise which would only go down by £50-100 at most.
I'm running a pedal set with two 10W transcuders on the brake and accelerator pedals. Not the same, but the ABS/TC feedback helps, i could also configure the gas to rear wheelspin if i'd want to.
What equipment and software do you use to do this?
@@juju2682 I drive all 7 of my transcuders with simhub. 6 of them are (2 pedals, 4 seat) Dayton Audio Puck and one big Dayton Audio BST-1 for the back of the seat.
To me it's very simple Will. So to answer your posed question from the 33:23 Mark. It is exactly like the Mercedes S (or whatever their most luxury car is called?). Where every release brings some new unattainable tech. But then 5-10 down the track, it is then even in the most basic of cars..... So I say :- BRING IT ON!!!
Im been waiting for something like this. In a real car being able to feel the wheel lock in the brake or the bite in the clutch is important.
Way too expensive though. Ill stick to my diy vibration motors.
I hear you on the unfair advantage but this isn’t really just limited these pedals. Equipment really does matter and I know I’ve gotten faster as I have steadily upgraded my rig. Take triple monitors, the wider FOV is massive in terms of avoiding collisions, seeing apexes, etc. But talent matters too and I’m never going to be an alien regardless of my equipment.
I am not sure if Equipment matters, if we talk about more than a decent FFB wheel and basic loaded cell pedals. I saw a video the other day from a young fella who is in the top 10 of iRacing drivers and he just uses the G25 or G27 with loaded cell pedals and a regular monitor with I think not even track IR.
I can imagine that it helps beginners/intermediants more than it helps pro's.
You’re so enthusiastic, they should pay you because we all just want them now !
Will I've been watching your videos for a year or two and this is the most emotional I've ever seen you :)
Hope we see something like this that's more affordable in the coming months / year.
I assure you the excitement was 100% genuine. I really was blown away. Haven’t felt anything so profound since I first experienced haptic feedback with the buttkicker 4 years ago.
Good video mate. They certainly look like a nice bit of kit. I still have no idea where the cost comes from, though.. I get R&D costs money but surely if you could get that cost down and turn more over it would be more beneficial.. But i'm sure they've got people more qualified than me running the numbers haha. I might give the DIY approach a go for now and hope one day i'll be fortunate enough to try the real things haha.
All right. I really need these pedals. Now that I know something like this exists, I just want it, because I need to feel and don't wanna miss it.
As soon I know something exists and I don't have it, I have the feeling that my current equipment is just too old school.
It was the same, when I saw people testing the first Developers Kit VR headset from Oculus on TH-cam. I just felt to need it, before I die. So I did. I was blown away and didn't regret it. Now I feel the same with this pedals. That's so unfair. I can't earn money fast enough to buy all the things I wanna try before I die ;-)
Haha I know that feeling well! I’m the same.
This sort of technology would be so useful in teaching someone to drive a stickshift car when used as a clutch. It would likely need a plugin for the game to take full advantage of the capabilities but the potential is just enormous in so many ways. I will be eagerly waiting for when I will be able to afford something like this one day.
Your face of pure joy and excitement when you hit the brake might break my wallet.
I believe the “graininess” you are feeling correspond to the steps of the stepper motor
Omg can’t wait for full review . Please hurry I already have someone lined up to purchase 1 of my kidneys so I can afford these pedals.