ALMOST NAILED IT! - Simagic P1000 Sim Racing Pedal Review
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In this detailed review of the Simagic P1000 pedals, we take a close look at the ins and outs of what has become one of the most popular choices in Sim Racing Pedals. From their high-end appearance to their smooth operation and range of adjustability, there is a lot going for these pedals straight out of the box.
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TIME STAMPS:
0:00 - Intro
0:47 - Important Information
1:52 - Pricing & Options
8:22 - Build Quality
27:22 - Software
39:46 - Driving Experience
42:42 - Pros & Cons
44:50 - Conclusions
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Wish you got a newer set without the brake load cell issue. I'm shocked they didn't send you a new set after fixing it.
That brake drop doesn't happen anymore.
If you notice so many peoppe own these also. Very popular set. But yeah we have another youtuber who showed his fixed set that holds in place now.
Mine holds also lol. Very little dip.
I'm surprised you didn't even try to reach out to simagic about it.
to be fair they may have had these for a while and only just got round to the review. they can only review what they have and as these were production models they probably didn't think it was worth while contacting them.
thats aside from BMs earlier problematic relationship they had with sim magic which has apparently been sorted now but will has covered their previously fraught relationship in other videos
I run the Heusinkveld Ultimate+ and modded on the haptic motors.
Use it on the brake and throttle, use simhub software to control the motors. Wheel lock on brake, and wheel slip on rears for throttle. So, I know when pressing on the brake if the wheels are locking up, and with the throttle I know if the wheels are spinning.
Where did you get the haptic motors for the pedals? i have the same
I was about to say the same. I agree with all that was said in the video except for a small addition regarding the haptic motors. Not only the brake pedal but also the throttle I find quite useful. In addition to the wheel slip, I add feedback on a high rpm to avoid reaching the limiter.
Swap the elastomers for springs and the problem of hysteresis in the brake pedal input with load cell sensor completely goes away. The problem is the elastomers, especially the softer ones and made worse in the case of the P1000 with the design choice to use very many small/thin units of elastomers instead of larger/longer units of elastomers to make up a stack in the brake cylinder. What's happening is, as you apply a load/force to the brake pedal, the elastomers being a non-Newtonian material (which means it behaves as a spring and damper system like a cars suspension which means it will exhibit hysteresis due to the damping component of its behavior), generates an internal resistive force in response to your sudden application of force to compress them. This causes a time lag for the elastomers to reach their steady-state level of compression from the sudden compressive force you've applied. Now, here's the kicker. Your initial input when applying force/pressure to a load cell brake pedal is entirely force/pressure based, but the human body after attaining the desired force/pressure target will transition to a combined force/pressure and position targeting system. That is, you will try to maintain that pressure by tensing your muscles (in this case, you leg and foot) to hold it steady in place. The problem is the time lag of the compression of the elastomers that leads to the elastomers further compressing for some amount of time after your initial force/pressure input whilst you've now locked your foot in place. This means, you're actually starting to reduce your foot pressure on the brake pedal because of the elastomers time-delayed compression that is slowly moving the brake pedal face away from your foot, thereby reducing your braking pressure and so you see the brake force/pressure reading correctly reducing for a while to a lower steady-state reading after your initial force/pressure input. If you watch the brake pedal face travel at 0.25x speed from 21:08 you can clearly see this is happening. The pedal face actually creeps further inwards as if you've applied even more force to the brake pedal after your initial force input and yet the force reading is dropping whilst the pedal is creeping further inwards. If instead you use the hall sensor for brake reading, it masks the issue a lot because at the high force/pressure input levels, the amount of further inward movement of the brake pedal for a little while after initial force/pressure input, leads to only a small increase in the brake pedal angle. So where you may get a time-delayed drop off of 10% in the reading with the load cell as the elastomers compress to their steady-state, you may get a 1% increase in the brake pedal hall sensor reading after the hysteresis period.
I experienced this recently as well. I recently got a load cell kit for my original fanatec CSL elite v1 pedals. I found braking was very inconsistent because of this effect. I ended up using 4 stiffer elastomers and one of those blue springs from ebay and that pretty much solved all of my problems. Brakes are very consistent now and it's a very nice smooth progressive increase in force as you apply brakes. I'm happy for this comment and I'll definitely be getting my pedal set with the brake performance upgrade.
@@Silverturky nice. Have you noticed your (braking) performance improve with the load cell now vs non-load cell? If not still, it might be because you don't have enough brake pedal travel with the load cell. There is not only the potential problem of hysteresis when moving to load cell brake pedals (due to the use of too soft elastomers) but also the potential problem of too little brake travel over the load-cell force range used. This second potential issue has to do with the fact that the smaller the physical travel range of the load cell pedal, the more spikey your force inputs can become during quick changes of force input. It's like using an higher dpi on your mouse. It doesn't add hysteresis but it does add inaccuracy and skittishness to you inputs. So, a second potential pitfall of load cell pedals to watch out for and going to harder elastomers to solve/reduce the hysteresis problem, can however then introduce this second problem. But you said you added a spring to the pedal as well as swapping the elastomers to the stiffest set, so I imagine that should have rendered the second problem null and void in your case.
@@DrR1pper so first I had the issue with the 10 or so % bleed off because if the elastomers being too soft. Then I had the issue with too little pedal travel. Ultimately 2 medium and 2 hard elastomers with the blue spring in between solved all of the issues. I get 0 bleed now as the elastomers I use are stiff enough not to need to settle and the spring provides the pedal travel I need. When I press the brake the pedal travel and force progression are very natural feeling I know exactly how much pressure to apply and how far my foot has to travel in order to apply Max brake force and not lock the tires. And this is with about 60% brake force set in the fanatec driver. Before load cell I would either not brake enough or constantly lock up in LMU now I nail it every time.
@@Silverturky nice! Happy racing! :P
Thanks for the update!
Had mine for 2 months with the hydraulic brake, just got haptics for the brake and accelerator, I think they are perfect for me, an awesome pedal set and such an improvement over Fanatecs offerings 👍🏻 top notch
Same here. They are perfect. What type of elastomers do you use in your hydrolic brakes
@@againstall4agsandtrans511 I would recommend spending a while experimenting with different combinations and setting it up to your own liking. Everyone’s preferences are gonna be different and there’s literally thousands of combinations.
Personally I went with a red spring, 2 blue and 2 grey polymers. It gives me a long easy travel which makes accurate trail braking much easier 👍🏻 hope that helps mate.
@@tonyf9076 thanks mate I'll give that a try 👍🏻
Yea love mine I have inverted set they feel pretty damn good to me fr and way more real then none inverted
Excellent job here again guys. I was waiting for your review before buying these pedals.
Have these too. Absolutely lovely pedals.
For the elastomer relaxation i changed to spring setup by using the optional elastomer and spring kit.
I find spring feeling more accurate anyway and relaxation issues are solved too.
Had these for around 6 months and absolutely love them
I got the P2000 with the haptic motors. Amazing pedals at a good price. Simagic's ecosystem is probably the best value in the high-end space.
What a great and thorough review. 😎
Are you planning to review the Simgrade VX-Pro? It looks like a different enough pedal that it would be interesting to compare to the traditional elastomer base pedals.
Thanks for the review and channel.
Small nit for the viewer, I'm sure Will understands the math: a 16 bits sensor means 65536 positions (at best, 2 to the power 16), so 16 times more than 12 bits / 4096 positions (at best). 4 more bits => 2 ^ 4 more resolution, i.e. 16. Short of a malfunction or misdesign that would waste bits or sensor range, even this 16x difference won't ever be noticeable. 4k steps on a few millimeters of travel is plenty fine grained. The one advantage of a good 16bits sensor is that it has a large margin to degrade before the reduced resolution or range would be perceptible.
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I don't know about almost.
I think that word probably could have been omitted 😂.
They seem/sound awesome. Fair enough the simucube active pedals can't be matched.
But for most people, these pedals are the epitome
I’ve had these P1000s for 6 months now too just like you. I can say haptic motors on the brake and throttle are necessary for me, hydraulic brake, spring kit for the brake instead of elastomers for plenty of travel with still the amount of resistance you would feel in any type of car (there’s 5 different spring strengths, tons of amazing combos that can fit whatever you want it to feel like) and that’s it. Best purchase of my entire sim life besides my dd, also a Simagic alpha u. I absolutely love this brand. I’m so glad I stumbled on them a little over a year ago. Recommend literally everything they sell. They’re the best bang for your buck all around in the sim world
What's your opinion on their software package? Bugs, updates, support for multiple games and so on..
I have Fanatec wheel/base/pedal and absolutely hate their software solutions.
@@VictorRomanoI have them for 1 year now. absolutely no issues. I drive ac, raceroom and ams 2 and had never any problems. When you search help with profiles anything the discord is super helpful. The only thing that irritated me was that it did not immediately recognized my wheel but this was on me: reading the manual helps ;)
@@VictorRomano software is perfect now. Like Will said, used to be buggy and not so great all around when it was in beta mode. But ever since they’ve released the official stable version (about a year ago), I haven’t had a single issue. I also have the FX Pro wheel for my base along with the pedals and the software is amazing with that as they just keep adding irl dashboards to use on the wheel.
Only thing I could gripe about software-wise is I wish the haptics had more options. It’s just TC and ABS response if you want to run them through simagic software. I run the pedals through simhub though, so that isn’t even really an issue for me. I get all the customization I want in sim hub.
Overall the software is 9/10 now imo.
Hi Will, great review mate! I would really love to see a review to the Simgrade VX Pro, i own these pedals they work in a very interesting mechanical way with bearings. I would love to hear your opinion on these pedals!
Have been looking forward to your simagic reviews . Looking to invest in their bases pedals and shifters
Hey guys, been eagerly waiting for this review since I heard that it was in the works (possibly from you guys on reddit?). Anyway, I was wondering if now that you have hands on the 1000, you plan to review the 2000s and/or compare them? The differences are fairly subtle and I'm not certain the value is there, but I'm still very curious.
Awesome video as always, thanks for the effort you put in!
Thnx for this review! I was looking forward to this, it made my search for new pedals a bit easier. Can you please also review the SIMTRECS PRO PEDAL GT? This thing sounds and looks amazing. Is reviewed by others but i value you're opinion and expertise Boosted!!!
Having run both these pedals the simtrecs to me still feel under foot a lot better. They just feel more premium like you are using an $ high end pedal set.
The new simtrecs now comes with a haptic motor built into the brake.
@@barrymanon9459 thnx for your reaction. Tell me more about the pedals please, is it hard to set it up? Any downsides? Blemishes?
Getting a mega brake set was really important to me from my GT racing irl. I ended up getting the standard P1000 but with the hydraulic brake kit with haptic motor. Genuinely couldn’t be happier after 3/4 months of use.
How did you find the short heal plate? Thanks for your reviews.
Amazing pedal set. I have a 2 pedal set, and I couldn't be happier with them. The only complaint I have about the petals they addressed in their second batch. Which was my loadcell brake pedal squeaked after a couple of months. It wasn't a big deal, Just annoying and had to wipe the brake shaft before I raced. I emailed them after I heard they were providing greece with their new batch to see how much it would be. And they sent It out for free. And if you do a lot of gt3 racing I would recommend getting 2 haptic motors. Having traction control on the accelerator has been just as helpful as ABS on the break. I found my forever pedals. And excellent first class review as always boosted media.👏
I want to try the Haptic motors on my VRS pedals with third party adapters that people have been using, I think this will be a great combo.
Looking forward to your video on the haptics specifically, using them on my he ultimates brake and throttle. Can say they are excellent once setup correctly and the throttle is absolutely worth it even in iracing they can give you the feel of wheel slip which has really helped catching slides on oversteer. Once iracing does proper traction loss telemetry I assume it will only be better, other sims already include it so if you drive multiple they are more than worth it.
I got the 3 pedal set with hydraulic brake and one haptic for ABS.
I came from Asetek Invicta pedals (bought them on pre-order years ago before we had so many options). I prefer these over the Invicta set all day long. After using the short 20-30 mm movement on the Invicta set for so long, I'm glad I finally made the move to a pedal that moves to around 50-60 mm ( don't have the exact measurement).
One thing I've noticed with the extra travel is that it makes the weight far easier to push. I went from 80kg on the Invicta and the short throw of the pedal made me feel like I was pushing myself through the back of the seat. I set these up with 80kg and it feels nothing like the Invictas. I actually thought the load sensor was broken because it feels like maybe 40kg compared to the Invicta pedals. Having the extra pedal movement really eases the pressure sensation.
Anyway, I love these pedals! Definitely recommend them.
I bought the inverted set a month or so ago and added the haptics and now adding the hydraulics. The smiles per mile is pretty high.
I also got the inverted kit and that was a game changer. I 3d printed a throttle range limiter to improve heel and toe but other than that they are so awesome out of the box
A review of the P2000 with the hydraulic brake would be very interesting. These P1000 seem like good pedals but nothing special...
I was just saying to my GF yesterday that I hope this video comes out soon :) Think this'll be my next set upgrading the whole kit from T300 stuff.
I have the haptic motor on my throttle set to vibrate when I hit the upper rev limits, I find that useful.
That's an awesome idea. I didn't know we could set it to stuff like that. Thought we were limited to ABS, traction control and something else I can't remember off the top of my head.
@@noiamhippyman I've set that up in simhub, I also have wheel lock set to the brake pedal so I get useful feedback in cars without ABS systems.
Implementing both of these ideas. Thanks.
@@Metla666 I didn't know these worked in simhub. My fault for never trying lol
Thanks for sharing I'm definitely checking that out.
@@noiamhippymanjust ensure that you plug the pedals into your PC directly. Don’t use the Canbus on the wheel else SimHub won’t recognize it.
For anyone who is using a wheelstand or a less rigid rig. I found that the default brake force required was too high as when I was using full pressure my chair was trying to lift.( I use a GT omega Apex with the chair link). However if you have the brake elastomer kit I found that using 2 70R, 3 80R, 3 80P elastomers provided a really nice two stage feel to the brake that will always talks about in his review, while not requiring a ton of force. Works great for my Wheel-stand setup.
Also something to note if anyone else is also using the GT omega Apex wheelstand with these. The pedal angle can be a little uncomfortable due to the lack of adjustment of the wheel plate on that particular wheelstand. I ended up un-attaching the pedal plate from the height adjustment so that the pedal plate could sit as low as possible and that was much more comfortable for someone like me who is 6’3.
Overall great pedals and Great review Will!
I also only bought the 2 pedal set with the elastomer kit which was $505 total from Sim-Motion US. Best pedal set I’ve owned. They have much more pedal adjustments and personally have the best breaks feel I’ve ever had. (I’ve had CSL Elite v2s, CSL LC and also had Simjack Pros.) Extremely excited to buy the haptic kit for the brake in the future.
I have the same wheel stand so I appreciate the heads up
What is the ABS accessory you recommended in the conclusion? Do you mean a haptic module just for the brake?
What's with the Noise of the clutch, is it a loude metal on metal clack like theire old one or is it dampend like the endstops on the other pedals?
And please go into detail regarding vibration noise in your haptics video!
Great stuff Will!!!🤤
Now you told us what upgrades you would get for performance, but what upgrades would you recommend for me where immersion is my priority?
Everything?😂
Maybe jsut add the throttle motor. I still don't think the damper or hydraulic brake are necessary.
Motion sim and VR...
@@Metla666 Well, I'm half way there..🤣
I found that the Hydraulic brake improves the drop off by about 3-4% (just elastomers). Then when using the hydraulic brake with a spring and elastomer combo the drop off is at its lowest. I like running mine with the blue elastomers and a medium spring (red).
I do agree also at my skill level the difference is almost non existent but I do think that your top drivers will notice the drop off especially on the non hydraulic brake 🤷🏼♂️
Great video as always 🙌🏻
i got them for over 2 months now and absoluetly love them. The only problem i got was the pedals were too vertikal, straight. Have to tilt them little bit to the back abd lower the pedalplates.
Now they are perfect.
Great review as always!
I'd be very happy if you could review some "aliexpress" pedals, like the SIMJACK or SIMSONN Pro. There aren't really reviews from channels with the audience you have here and I'm really interested in your opinion. By the looks they are punching above their weight class. It's no secret, I'm interested in getting a set of SIMSONN Pro's with the Simagic haptic motors.
I'm only a 2-2.5K IR driver, so take that as you will. I got the simjack pros with elastomers upgrade. I've driven in 4 different rigs with all of them having high-end pedals. Simjacks must be good because I can go right into a high-end pedal and use the same muscle memory and it be on the money just like my cheaper heusinkveld clone. So what I think is, if I can push and get 80% pressure on iracing with a cheap set and do the exact same push and get 80% on a high end...iracing isnt going to know the difference. To the same point he has using a hall effect sensor. If you can use muscle memory and push 80% on a hall effect sensor that's all iracing cares about. I guess It just sounds cool to say "I have loadcell pedals."
Yeah well, that's out of my pay scale but I was wondering, where's the Logitech G Pro Wheel teardown "promised" after you got 2000 likes (which I believe you got fairly quickly?
Keep up the vids mate.
Question- I personally love the fanatec v3's I have with the damper kit on the throttle. I purchased the asetek forte pedals and didn't love them; mainly because they sat way too upright for my rig (get omega ART). My other issue with the asetek's was the throttle felt feathery and with the mapping was able to get a feel I liked. How do these compare to both pedals or should I look at the VNM pedals?
I asked the same question to Lawrence Dusoswa (another you tuber) and he said P1000s. I pulled the trigger last month and got the same configuration that Will suggested and love them. I don’t notice any relaxation in my elastomers but I think simagic made further updates to the pedals since Will got his set. Anyway, couldn’t be happier. 👍
PS I came from CSL Elite V1 Load cells.
I decided on the vnm pedals lite and have been loving them so far. Some of the best crafted sim racing equipment I've owned
got P1000 for maybe 2 weeks, but bought thet with extra elastomers and springs mod, first I used basic elastomers and ware way better then I thought, but I decided to see how pure spring mode will work (I used GT3 style mode), wow its way better, no relaksation, stifnes of brake is better but pedal travel is same and trail braking is a pure joy, I thought that I cant trail braking but it was just my V3, I improved my lap time on Valencia almoust 1 sec just becouse trail barking started to be so easy. I think I'll change my ecosystem for Simagic, if eny one of you have any doubts please get rid of it, its night and day compare to my previous setup. See you on track :)
have you seen moza releasing what looks like a ffb stick for flight ssims?
Can you review this next mate ? SIMAGIC Q1S SEQUENTIAL SHIFTER
I wish these didn't use the retainer clips, they get stuck on your socks, pull out easily and are hard to replace. I'm a big fan of the hydraulic throttle for rally racing, especially regularity rally, I just wish it clicked up few more pressure levels. I look forward to grabbing a hydraulic brake and haptic and possible an inversion kit. Simagic is great gear and they've been awesome with warranty stuff thru Sim-Motion.
As a console player, I am looking forward what Fanatec V4 could bring in the future..if Fanatec stay alive 😊
Im keeping road bumps and asphalt slight feel and rpm and shifts in the haptics beside other usual effects on all pedals, you feel the road all the way, I oilded the elastormers with some synthetic high quality oil so they don't get sticky and reduce the speed of lifting the brake and making them more consistent although try at your own risk
One benefit I found to the hydraulic brake was that I could use Elastomers and get that "real" feeling without having them relax under foot. Also the ease of changing out elastomer stacks mean I actually change it between different cars. I use completely different elastomers for mx5, Oval Stock Cars, GTE, Prototypes and Formula Cars which really gives you a feeling of immersion and of each category feeling more different. I also really like having a haptic motor on the clutch pedal along with a really nice simhub app that lets you set a bite point feeling per car. definitely more an immersion thing but certainly helps me with standing starts if I am not using dual clutch (for example in older cars that don't have them or formulas where they are banned IRL).
I am definitely more an immersion focussed racer than pure esports pace though.
I agree with you! I like my p1000-RS. It would be a pleasure if you can share your elastomere setup for the different car classes.
@@Stiffler_90 I basically just use the recommended settings found on the simagic "Product Tutorial" page on the website. I personally don't use the springs as they are very easy to get stuck in the brake cylinder and make quick swapping quite hard but there is also a variety of options using them listed alongside the elastomer combinations in the "P-ORP(H) Quick Guide" found on the website.
for LMP2/3/GTP I use 5 blue,2 red and 2 gold restrictors. For GTE/GT3 I use 4 blue and 5 red. for stuff like the mx5 and gr86 I would use a mixture of black and grey elastomers and sometimes gold spacers. .
How do you think these compare to the VRS pedals?
I love the haptic motor on my brake. I am just running 1 on my g29 brake pedal until I have the funds to upgrade my pedals (I 3d printed an adapter to mount it), but something to note that I did not realize at first is that if you buy the motor for pedals other than the P1000 then you also need to buy the controller board as well The controller is built into the base of the P1000 pedals.
id like to know if with the upgraded spring kit for the brake gets rid of the bleed effect or if the hydraulic brake gets rid of this bleed effect
Ditto. Bummed he didn't test with the steel spring option to show if it does/does not fix the issue.
Basic engineering and feedback related to other steel brake pedals says it will fix it.
But it sure would have been nice to see the A/B test right there. Missed opportunity.
IT does, I had major elastomer drift, swapped with spring kit and have pinpoint precision
@@Chader9 I've used both extensively on my P1000 mate, elastomers had a lot of drift, like 5% if I held constant. Spring kit entirely eliminates it. Can hold within a percentage of any number I want to hit.
@@lukebennellick4315 thanks for confirming. As it happens, I got that spring kit to use on my Fanatec CSL Elite V2. Nice kit with so many options and will be happy to have consistent feel & function.
Love my p1000s, came from fanatec which was complete trash compared to these. I got the elastomer kit and still using the out of box setup after 4 or 5 months
17:36 small correction: 16-bit (65,536) has 16x more resolution than 12-bit (4,096).
Cross shopped these with VRS pedals. Ultimately found a used set of VRS pedals for $450 so I couldn't say no.
Pedals looking as good deal for that price! I went from Asetek Invicta to Simucube AP and never missed that hydraulic efect so my chice will be same :)
I have this set. As for the driving with socks what I did was take one of the standard one to my local hardware store and just bought longer ones. Only a few mm, and fixed the issue. Also definitely get the break elastomer kit. Really helps adjusting depending on formula and GT cars. I do have the hydraulic on my break and it does make it 1000 times easier to adjust the pedal feel since it has a separate core that is easily accessible. Hope this helps. But it’s super modular and just flat out good product.
Hi, thank you for your review. Who know why Fanatec don't have a high-end pedals set like p1000. I hope it will arrive asap!
P1000 here did the hydraulic upgrade for throttle wasn't worth it. The brake performance kit was a game changer. The recommendations that simagic put out are very good. Hapetic is something I have considered. Had rumblers on my old bj pedals and wasn't overly impressed.
i actually swapped out for the spring with 3d printed washers alternative for the brake pedal - then switched back to the elastomers. I dunno I don't have an issue with the elastomers, they work just fine once you get used to them. I want to get the haptics for the throttle and brake.
Can u take a look at the Simgrade VX-Pro ?
I know a way to solve the brake problem but it's at a little sacrifice depending on what your after. So basically the reason why the brakes go down like that even though your applying constant pressure is because the elastimas are relaxing. If you replace the elastimas with a spring, the brakes will stay consistently in that position without going down. No elastimas means you'll lose the break pad feeling but you'll have Load Cell brakes that actually work and stays in position with your foot. This is problem currently with every pedal set that use elastimas. Once the elastimas start to lose their ridgitiy they have that affect as seen in the video. Unfortunately untill companies find a new material or a way to combat this im afraid they all suffer the same fate unless you use spring.
I have combined a custom spring with only two elastomers. I believe I used red or grey (the harder ones). That matches the feel of my race spec Miata but is nowhere near as stiff as a GT3 break.
Is this 60fps or something? I feel like the quality of the video is better.
i want to add about the hydraulic brake when using the inverted kit, just always get the inverted hydraulic brake as you can use it for the base pedal AND inverted pedals as the resevoir is able to rotate on its axis
wonder if you jammed a stick between the seat and brake pedal and see if it drops too. I am gonna pay more attention to my p2000 and see if I am seeing this as well. it definitely should not do that.
whats the point of hydraulic on the throttle? surely its not simulating the feel of a throttle by wire nor cam and cable throttle setup.
I love my p1000
I bought the long throttle plate and the extra spring pack but othe than that they are stock
Absolutely love the quality and performance you get for the cost
I'm now running this combination: base set + spring kit + haptic motor on brake and throttle. I bought the hydraulic upgrades for both brake and throttle, but it seems like I got a defective unit for the brake hydraulic upgrade, since it started leaking after a few weeks. I did get a free replacement from Simagic, though I've decided to run it without the hydraulics. There are some noticeable differences in feel, but after a few days of driving I got used to it.
One other thing I hope they would change is the cylinder for the springs/elastomers on hydraulic brake upgrade. It is really hard to change out new springs since there is no center post going through it, making it super hard to align everything correctly since the cylinder is not pointing straight up, I broke two plastic washers just because it wasn't aligned correctly. And it is really hard to know how far to screw in the cap, as there is no hard stop on it, so it is possible to screw in too much such that you start compressing the springs.
I've owned the p1000-s for 9 months now. For me elastomers just could not work. These elastomers do tend to die, 1 is kinda machined to bits every 1-2 months and then you have to swap the set. Regular WD40-ing and making sure you did not overtighten the whole is necessary, but the cap gets a bit loose if you are using a somewhat stern setup, making the braking a bit different and inconsistent.
I tried so many combination, soft on one end, harders on the other, swap them, move some softers in between the harder ones (the most amount of unwanted release) and every single combination their pamphlet offered. Then I got the upgrade set with the springs, and it solved about 90% of the issues.
Some people/products can make elastomers work, but I don1t think they are the way to go really. The springs I think are vastly superior experience whether or not you are using loadcell or hydraulic. For me, the haptics are something I refuse to drive without, those are the best help for my current skill level.
What this person said. I just "upgraded" mine to springs and it's way better.
WD40 PTFE may be a good idea but petrol wd40 will dissolve certain polimers, like TPE
@@gergelykoszegi9541 Thanks for the info. Well I did that after 3-4 elastomers died (maybe half a year) already and after using wd40, it did not seem to affect the speed they got machined/died, but maybe it didnt help either. Also, I have both kind of wd40 and have no idea which one I used. (they are next to each other on the shelf)
Wouldn't the Hydraulic upgrade get rid of the relaxing issue and possibly feel better?
Since the P-HYS also uses the same elastomers inside the black barrel, I expect it to suffer from the same compression issue as the standard brake cylinder. From what I see, the hydraulic brake converts the pedal travel into hydraulic compression that the pushes a actuator in the black section to compress the elastomer stack.
Considering the hydraulic action is just a different "actuator", it sure seems likely that the elastomers will have the same compression creep and force decrease.
Oh wow I hit refresh at a great time. I've had these for a while now and love them. Only issue I've had is there is one screw that always likes to come loose. Excited to see what you have to say about them!
EDIT: I personally only bought the main pedal and a single motor for ABS feedback on the brake. It's been an excellent investment in my sim racing hobby.
A drop of blue loctite might solve the screw issue. Just remember that it has a 24 hour cure time.
i went with the triple pedal set, added 2 haptics, replaced the elastomers in the brake with springs from the optional set, and replaced the throttle spring with a stiffer one and reduced the travel
its just perfect now
with the upgraded spring set do you notice the relaxation effect or does that upgrade cure it ?
@@stoica666 it definitely fixes the problem, its the reason i bought it
If someone would tell me that these are Fanatec Clubsport V4 pedals I would believe it immediately. Time for Fanatec to copy and improve these pedals and take them in production. I consider to get one of these haptic reactors for the brake pedal of my Sim Lab XP1 pedals, do these haptic reactirs also come with other colors besides red, I’m allergic to red and does not match with my pedals … can paint the red black of course. Would like to see a revisit of the Sim Lab pedals because they solved the software issues in the meantime and I am very happy with the XP1 pedals (coming from Fanatec V3 with BPK).
Had mine a few months. Do like them. Have the hydraulic brake add-on. Worth pointing out that the inverted hydraulic brake fits the standard pedals.(Just need to make sure the reservoir is pointing up). So you could get this if you want to keep your options open about getting the inverted kit later
I was wondering if real life racing drivers, who are also sim racers (Verstappen, Norris, Daniel Morad, James Baldwin, et cetera), use haptic reactors or not and what is their opinion about them? I always learned that visual cues are the most important ones and that the other cues are always later or too late. Verstappen is also alien fast on controller, so maybe all our ffb, haptic and other stuff are only pure for immersion? Which I do like btw because you want to have the feeling to be in a real car as much as possible.
Yeah ffb is just a gimmick. Does nothing! Lmao
@@Remzly it adds to immersion and to the learning process but aliens can set alien lap times based on visual cues only. Stuff to read: Perfect Control: A Driver's Step-By-Step Guide to Advanced Car Control Through the Physics of Racing
I got the inverted set with the hydraulic brake and 2 shakers, one for brake and the other for accelerator. I highly recommend the hydraulic brake. Just feels amazing and so precise. Best set of pedals I've ever had.
My lap times have definitely improved since owning them. Which surprised me, becuase i thought i had reached my natural limit. But they have unlocked more from me now.
I mostly play acc, so feeling the abs and tc kick in is a real treat. Its even taught me to threshold brake just before the abs kicks in to get maximum braking efficiency. And its great for feeling when the rear tyres are spinning and the tc kicks in. You can be more progressive with your inputs with the info you get to your senses that way.
Just wish there was a setting in the app where you could set it to like a smart profile where it knows when its in a car that has abs and/or tc and will rumble when it triggers them and then if there is no abs or tc in the car, it would rumble when the tyres lock up or the rear loses traction. Having to manually switch the setting can get tedius.
I'm running the P1000 with 2 haptics, and absolutely love them. I'd been wondering whether the hydraulic upgrades would be worth it or not so really useful to hear your opinions on that.
It was interesting to hear you talking about the Fanatec Elite v2's, as these were the pedals I upgraded from and I have to say the difference in braking feel was night and day, I have so much more control using the P1000's. I'm certainly not anywhere near being a top level driver so there are definitely skill issues here but the upgrade from the Elite v2's was absolutely worth the upgrade for me.
Is moza making Playstation compatible equipment anytime soon will?
I’m not aware of anything but that doesn’t mean no.
That might take some decades, it is very unlikely that a Japanese company provides a license to a Chinese company any time soon, but you never know for sure of course.
I have and love them. I would option the hydraulic brake for feel.
Does anyone have a comparison for these vs the Asetek La Prima pedals?
anyone gone from Dayton pucks on the pedals to these haptics? are they much better and worth the upgrade?
Interested too, I’m running the Dayton pucks at the moment
What cars are in the background? :)
Lotus Emira is one.
So I disagree that the hydraulic brake is not needed- and you explained why. The standard brake relaxes and does not stay at a steady pressure, which is an issue that is addressed by hydraulic brake. I have much better fine control of braking and similar feel to my car with the hydraulic brake. I agree that you only need the haptic motor for the brake. Skip all the other upgrades as you said.
Since the P-HYS also uses the same elastomers inside the black barrel, how does it not suffer from the same compression issue as the standard brake cylinder? From what I see, the hydraulic brake converts the pedal travel into hydraulic compression that the pushes a actuator in the black section to compress the elastomer stack.
Considering the hydraulic action is just a different "actuator", it sure seems likely that the elastomers will have the same compression creep and force decrease.
I disagree on the usefulness of the throttle haptics, with brake and throttle, you can have the both represent the front left and front right wheels with lock and slip effects, also rumble strip effects are quite immersive. Def worth getting both imo, clutch haptics is completely useless though, btw you can build your own kit for less than half the cost too, plus SimHub is a much better effects control software
How are people with smaller feet supposed to use these high end pedals? They all seem to have hardly any height adjustment.
I own then since February 2024, alongside my other Simagic gear. While I really love them, Im definitively looking to get the hydraulic upgrades. With the regular brake, swapping elastomers is so hard for my arms.
I did hear they are bad if someone used to drive with socks.
I’ve been using p1000s for about 6 months as well and largely agree, outside of haptics most every other option isn’t necessary, especially the hydraulic throttle, i absolutely hated that. The new spring kit is also worth looking at as well. For the haptics, simhub brings a ton more function and I feel makes haptics on the throttle really worth it to me. I’d also add the throttle spring if you want to stiffen it up can use the clutch spring.
Hmm there was no heel stop with my p1000i ?? Is that an option for that or is it a mistake??
My inverted also did not come with a heel stop, it’s only bundled with the standard it seems. I did add the LED heel stop though and noticed distributors do sell the non-LED red heel stop separately for not much extra too if you do want it.
Tyvm i did not notice it was not with the inverted and did not get it with them... wierd its not in the package... guess ill have to order the red one then..
Thx alot m8
I’ve been using the P1000 for about 8 months now. I got the haptic motor for the brake, the hydraulic brake and hydraulic throttle. The haptic motor is a must if you drive cars with ABS… it’s literally a competitive advantage over someone who doesn’t have it. The hydraulic throttle is a bit useless… I like that I can adjust the stiffness on the fly but I don’t think it’s worth the price.
I disagree with the take that the hydraulic brake is not worth it. Sure, it won’t make you faster, but it feels way more natural. Also, the problem with the elastomers relaxing resulting in a gradual fall in brake force is not an issue with the hydraulic brake.
Overall, I would recommend to start out with just adding the haptic motor to the brake, see how you like the feel of the brake. And then upgrade to the hydraulic brake if you don’t like it. Don’t bother with the hydraulic throttle.
Since the P-HYS also uses the same elastomers inside the black barrel, how does it not suffer from the same compression issue as the standard brake cylinder? From what I see, the hydraulic brake converts the pedal travel into hydraulic compression that the pushes a actuator in the black section to compress the elastomer stack.
Considering the hydraulic action is just a different "actuator", it sure seems likely that the elastomers will have the same compression creep and force decrease.
I'm using P1000iRs Inverted Pedals. about the elastomer issue,combine the springs with the elastomer and that lost of LC pressure is gone. Or just use the springs itself. Job done
$40 to ship one haptic motor!?!
I sold all my Fanatec gear to go all in on Simagic: Alpha + FX Pro Wheel + P1000 Dual with Both Haptics and Light Bar Kit bc why not. My minor gripe with pedals compared to CSL Elite V2 is slippery bottom where my heel rest and pedal face which I can’t run bare foot like on the V2 which had great grip. Also slippery with socks so I find myself wearing barefoot shoes when racing which give me better feel.
I don't know for sure, but I bet you can find some pedal pads that will fit these. I don't have my 1000 yet, but if you measure the plates and then search for pads in that size, you may be able to find something that works. Would probably cost about $20-$30 to add that onto each pedal if you find something that works.
how you going to do the review without the hydraulic brake lmao, that's the only reason I waited for this review before I bought them. Wanted to see your opinion on the difference as no one I would trust has done it.
The build I will probably do is 3 pedal no hydro with one haptic on brake and the inverted kit.
I don't know why people like floor mounted pedals if you plant your throttle heel on the floor like most people do, the geometry makes no sense as you have to let the pedal slide under your foot as you press the throttle. I guess if you drive in socks it not that bad but I use shoes and having the pedals inverted pivot point up top and my foots pivot point on the bottom makes for zero friction. IMO inverted is superior in terms of accuracy as your foot stays in the same spot on the pedal face.
We don’t have the hydraulic brake upgrade
@@boostedmedia It's okay I guess lol, figured you would get one before the vid but I took your advice anyway and went no hydro.
I’m sure it’s good, but they’re perfectly fine without it which is why I think it’s unnecessary :) enjoy!
It's not elastomers issue, it's the black metal cover on top of LoadCell that collide with silver ballhead under pressure that causes "relaxation" effect as this cover takes % of pressure on itself. Because someone started all this misleading info regarding elastomer, Simagic didn't even want to investigate this behavior.
The relaxation behavior here is similar to that seen on other elastomer brakes. Not sure if the issue you mention makes this instance worse, but even if that were fixed, there would still be the same issue here as seen on other elastomer brake setups. The best solution to that is steel springs, as shown in those other instances as well.
@@Chader9 From the box P1000 "relaxes" up to -10% which is horrible. It depends how hard you press the pedal, the more you press the more noticable the effect. After I removed this metal cover I sincerely don't feel any difference in relaxation between springs and elastomers on P1000. The only difference is a damping effect of elastomer which is kinda desired for brake pedal anyway.
I had the Fanatec CSL elite v2 pedals. They were good but the loadcell broke and it took fanatec a good 2 months to get me a replacement loadcell. By which time I had purchased a set of these. The difference in quality is astronomical. The fanatecs feel like a toy in comparison and lack any adjustability other than the brake pedal which cannot be adjusted nearly as finitely as these. Also a point of note is that I had exactly the same elastomer relaxation issue with the fanatecs as with these. About the same ~10% reduction in measured force over a couple seconds. The fanatecs just didn’t have an angle sensor to back them up. In Canada after import fees and taxes the fanatecs came to $500 Canadian dollars and these simagic pedals were $800. More than worth the extra cash to me personally.
I just bought the Simagic spring kit to test with my Fanatec CSL Elite V2. Basic dimensions seem compatible so I plan to test and find a coil spring combo at a similar force to the default blue coil + 3x 65 elastomer. Hoping to have a similar basic feel while ditching the relaxation issue.
@@Chader9 I actually purchased some die springs from a Chinese supplier to use with my V2s and it did eliminate the relaxation problem. I’ve got the brake tuning kit coming for my p1000s hopefully using springs should eliminate the problem with these as well!
I’d go two pedal and already have a haptic motor that is on my CSL elite V2’s so I would transfer that over.
I’ve got P2000s with haptics. I’ve had 2 x hydraulic leaks. Supplier has been excellent and replaced the brake twice. I was told the earlier versions had potential leaks in fluid canister. Haven’t had issue since.
I've had the Simagic P1000i-RS with all of the upgrades: Hydraulic brake, hydraulic throttle, all of the reactors on each pedal, and inverted. Great pedals overall but I have some major drawbacks so far. The biggest one is that the inverted kit just can't fit my big feet comfortably (11.5 US around a 46 EU shoe size so not huge feet but not small). I've spent countless hours trying to get them right without success. Why not make them normal instead of inverted? Great question but my kit was an inverted kit from the get go so it doesn't have the small metal bar to connect the foot rest section to the pedals and Simagic doesn't sell it on its own. The hydraulic throttle unit has failed on me once already and just failed on me on my second unit with oil leaking out, so not impressed with that. The brake feel of the hydraulic is good but I can't find something that works for me even with the P-ORP kit. So I'll be looking to get rid of my pedals for something else after sinking so much money into them. One major oversight is the mounting hole in the back will be covered up when you widen the throttle and clutch from the stock setup.
Tested mine today for the first time...they are awesome... the only downside is a very long throttle travel, even on shortest settings
Imagine having money :/
Greetings sim racers. I am alien. Slow alien. Thanks for review. Greetings
Elastomer drop off is a deal breaker. Vrs still budget king.
simagic released spring for p1000 this janaery
Yup spring or elastomers. Load cell or position hall sensor. Love the flexibility. Interesting some people can't seem to fathom that. Wonder why that is?@@user-sn9zw8oq2w
900 dollars..
That's all the information I need to know 😂