Four Fantastic Cine Cameras for £1500 or less!
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I own 3 Canon C100mkii's and love them still...I shoot artist interviews, art events, music concerts (big band, orchestra and others) and operas with them and have just finished editing a 5 camera shoot of a performance of a song cycle with a soprano, baritone and piano in a cathedral...we had my 3 C100mkii's, an original BMCC 2.5K and a BMPCC 6K Pro...the C100's are so reliable, easy to set up and use, have small file sizes, XLR inputs for audio when not doing separate audio, ND filters for outside in the blazing Australian sun...and more...all mine were bought second hand and are still going strong.
I have the C100 Mark I, and it produces great HD video. I had it upgraded to DPAF when the option became available. The key is to use a high-quality lens. Then you can produce really great stuff. It also can be used with an Atomos Ninja 2 recorder, which further upgrades the video quality. I love the built-in ND filters and other cinema features.
I also have the Canon C100 Mark I with the Atomos Ninja V and it is wonderful! The Ninja shows what I am capturing with an anamorphic lens unsqueezed. I also love that the Ninja records in ProRes 4.2.2 HQ 24fps. Goes right into my Final Cut Pro 6 editor on the G5 Mac to make editing easy.
@@barefootuptomysoul Cool.
I went from the c100 to the c200 and the c70. Although my workflow improved along the way I’m not sure the jumps in image quality are all that noticeable to the client.
I'd love to see panasonic release a successor to the EVA. The camera was SO close to being good, but failed to stick the landing. Really it's a better viewfinder and a couple firm wear upgrades (move some of the deeper menu items to more logical places and stop turning off my xlr ports when swapping frame rates) away from being awesome. If you were to toss in the new auto focus system you'd have a good low budget competitor to the Sony FX6. Although part of the problem with the EVA - 01 at launch was the GH5 for most applications and use cases was just so much better bang for your buck.
I'm part the C100 M2 cult and I still love it. I appreciate the kind words because it was/is such a reliable workhorse with a great feature set, tiny gradeable files, and terrific battery life. If canon had just made the internal codec 4k 422 10 bit, improved the autofocus and a few other points, they would have sold a million of them. It's still a great camera for long presentations, concerts etc. - very sharp 1080. The lack of EVF on the C70 was a huge dealbreaker for me - I use it all the time.
@AaronBrown-rr6yu Thanks for the encouragement. The C100 is just such a great camera it's hard not to like even being almost 10 years old. It will always have a place in my heart for reliability and solid image quality!
I wish you had some Blackmagic Design cameras in this list. The OG Ursa (or Ursa Mini 4K) especially. In 'non-cine' or hybrid form factors, I would say the BM Pocket 6K/4K, Lumix S5 (OG), Lumix GH5 all contend pretty well, especially with the All-I codec and 6K options
Production Camera 4K is a great option for some @~£500, with global shutter @ Super35 sensor size, and RAW. It just has some compromises (one of them major).
As for compromises: It's heavy, has a weird form factor, screen is invisible in daylight (and contains most of the controls), huge file sizes (getting more manageable these days, but with raw a 500GB SSD gives you 30 mins of record time) since it gives you folders full of DNGs as its raw format (which you need to use to get normal colours - see below), if you push the image too far there's fixed pattern red stripes of noise in the deepest shadows, the life of the built-in battery is terrible now that 10 years have passed (though I am about to test a new method of powering it - using one of those new 100w USBC laptop power banks, which should be far cheaper/longer lasting than v-mount r sony npf batteries other suggest), a maximum frame rate of 30 even if you drop down to 1080p, autofocus is one-shot only, single native ISO @400, with max @800 (with RAW, you can choose 200-800 in post), plus another compromise I shall call THE BIG ONE.
THE BIG ONE: There is only one way to get sane-looking images from this camera, as far as I can tell.
There are tutorials out there, but for some reason none of them (including any documentation by BlackMagic themselves) show the one method that actually conforms footage to Rec709 correctly without any weird shifts in levels or oversaturated greens:
1. Set the resolve project to YRGB color managed, with the input set to "bypass" (setting it to what should be correct for this camera seems to me to apply the wrong transform, so we need to do it somewhere else!), the timeline and output to Rec709 2.4.
2. Import the RAW clip, then set the gamma/colour space to Rec709 in the "Camera Raw" tab of the clip in Resolve's color tab.
Note: it is imperative that this is done in the Camera Raw tab, not as a clip property, or input; For this to work, you have to set the properties dropdown to "clip", not project.
You may have to change the raw import setting in the project settings for this to not be greyed out.)
Using this method, if I have exposed a shot correctly, I usually only have to adjust WB & lift for it to be nigh-on perfect in contrast and colour straight out of the gate!
Doing all that is a faff (especially if you have to work it out by trial and error like I did!), but once you have, the colours and definition are absolutely astounding for the price.
(In fact I think it's so good, I have also been using it as a stills camera! I do it by setting the timelapse mode to 10 minutes, then pressing the record button twice.)
Add to that the global shutter gifting you the ability to record mostly usable handheld footage with lenses of ridiculous focal length for the job (I used a helios 44-2 as a test - 95mm equivalent - and it was basically okay if I held it steady enough!), and you have one beast of a camera. Even if the footage is a bit shaky, the lack of jelly in the image means you can usually stabilise it to something approaching rock solid in post!
Image from eva1 is still amazing. And it does very usable 1080p 240fps which still most cameras is not capable today.
I like the form factor of the Canon C100, and the Sony FS5…we in fact are still using the FS5 daily.
the c100ii is the best camera i ever owned, absolutely brilliant. so easy to use, beautiful colours
I stopped watching DR TV when these guys left and ever since I had not think about them because I never knew of this chanel until today when I got it absolutely randomly suggested to me on my feed, I'm sooooooooooo happy now :3
The original Panasonic S5 is also a great choice :)
Good choice but it's not a cine camera. The BGH1 is, though.
@@Mr007jamster BGH1 is a nice boxy cam, but it lacks one important thing, which is the internal ND filter
Yeah, not a cine camera. Maybe for TH-cam World, yes
The EVA1 has the nicest image by far
I’ve shot a feature film, and many short films and music videos, with my FS7 Mark II. Wonderful tool.
C100 Mkii is still capable of legit good-looking video that is easy to edit. All you really lose is the flexibility of cropping in like you can on 4k files - so you have to frame more carefully.
The 1080p looks like 720p imo
An Eva1 for 1200-1600$? Where!!
I'd definitely get one at that price, but the cheapest I could find was around 2400
super cool, miss my hpx170 , and vx's I jus bought a very nice vx2000 on ebay for $240. very good condition
The Panasonic smashes the other camera's. Still though. I almost feel like that sort of money you might as well grab a Sony A6700 😅Unless you really need the build in ND filters and stuff.
You gotta use ND filters with video. It's the only way to control exposure while getting the most out of a fast lens. Built-in ND filters are a really nice feature.
@@georgesealy4706 screw on ND's are pretty affordable and there's decent variable ND's for not that much money. I use a A7ii myself and it's perfectly manageable really.
@@SyntheticFuture Sure, I use regular NDs too. I use them with my X-T4 and GFX100. It's just nice to be able to have them built-in for use with any lens.
Did I miss something? What Sony a6700?
@@getfmlr camera announced in 2021. 4k 60fps, 10 bit, if I'm not mistaken 1080p 120fps. Only obvious downside is crop sensor but considering how good crop lenses are these days that's hardly a downside. For some reason delayed a lot.
The A6600 honestly isn't a bad choice as well although 4k 30 is maybe not the best for everyone =)
I used mpb to get my c100 mk 2 . Good company.
Im check the orders prices now. I seriously doubt these cams can be had for that price though (besides the c100)
the GH5S is still also a great choice.
It's not a cine camera...the subject of this video.
This chanel is since 2010 wtf !!! Kai is still alive !!!
Awesome, always good to see your video reviews Kai
EVA1 for 1500£? I can purchase it right away 😅
Where is the BMP4K ?? Thats the best!!!
"although i have to find the color profile"
Shots fired
Why should i not get the bmpcc 6k for a similar price
you should get it. the camera is amazing!
just got my BMPCC 6k from MPB :)! gonna be epicccc under 1500 btw !
The Panasonic has actually good image quality!
Eva 01 has great image quality and really good colors. As an owner of one tho I'll tell you it's a pain in the ass camera to use. But once you learn it's quirks and get a better monitor/viewfinder you can build it out into a really nice rig.
The only thing stopping me on the C100 II is that 4:2:0 8-bit, it's still good now but definitely not future-proof now that clients demand more invasive color grading
Always amazing reviews!!!
I rented a c100 Mark 2 a few years back to shoot some re enactemtn scenes for a documentary I was shooting for a "client" (read: :I got scammed by the client: but that's another story) and I had only ever shot on my 5D2, T1i and T3i ... this was my first experience on a proper camera and man ... I LOVED IT! It was hard going back to the 5d2 for video. Thankfully I mostly shoot talking heads so.
Now my main is an EOS R.
You got me curious now. What did your client do?
@@EAlonzox22 really long story so I'll give you the TLDR; version.
Guy advertises looking for someone to shoot some talking heads ... turns out he wanted someone for a documentary on ww2 with re-enactements INCLUDING A NIGHT BOMBING RAID IN A BIPLANE ... in the end he also turned out to be an ex convict who had gone to jail for defrauding the Candian government in a kickback scheme AND when he got out of jail tried to extort money from someone who had testified against him and so went back to jail.
I didn;t know that at the time but to protect myself, the original contract I had written kept all copyright with me (since I was shooting and editing and doing sound design) until paid in full. He was adamant to change that one clause ... that should have been a clue that things were not right.
The shoot and editing was a clustertruck ... having me use obviously stolen footage from other documentaries, music he obviously had just ripped offline, no idea how to direct but he was director/producer/writter ... he was dictating edits to the second making me just a button pusher but his edits were often just insane or time fillers with no tought or meaning.
He sent me some naration he had someone record ... it was so badly recorded it sounded like it had been recorded on a phone while inside an empty metal shipping conatiner (I'm only SLIGTHLY exagerating) and he couldn't understand why I could do nothing with that naration.
In the end, after about 2 months of work, I hand everything over with a payment schedule ... 3 days later he contacts me saying he is refusing to pay and I did a horrible job choosing locations (he's the director and producer ... I made suggestions) and I would pay to re-shoot and have someone re-edit (remember he was dictating the edits to the second).
So he never had any intention to pay me from the start.
I discovered his ex-con status when trying to serve him for breach of contract.
And yes, this was the SHORT version, lol.
@@EricLefebvrePhotography i hate people lol please tell me you’re able to get paid somehow
@@EAlonzox22 nope ... I was getting paid during but in the end he still owed my over 5k.
5:18 It looks like its focusing on the Lumix logo
Man I love Lok and his wonderful haircut
How are you mounting the screen, when you not using the handle?
in brasil they still cost around $4500
Still have not been asked for 4k by any client ever.
Do you live in Ohio?
@@TheGirlSkateBoardCo Actually not such a stupid question I suppose. Those of us who deal directly with end clients probably never get any technical questions. But if your client is a production house that deals with the end client (read big city) they probably want to know all about what kit you use and it's perceived image quality.
Agree. You can upscale with AI programs anyway and no one will be any the wiser. The real bottleneck with these cameras is the color depth, 4:2:0 8-bit does not react well with the kind of color grading clients want these days
Would love to see an old Red camera added to the list.
All great! I'd use any of them!
I got an OG BMPCC for 63USD
I just picked up a Canon c300p mark 1l for $600 without a lens. So now I need to find an affordable under $500 PL mount lens) :(
I cud get a c100 mark 2 with lens 2k but that's too much
Another amazing video!
yay new reviews ! awesome
Just get bmpcc for that price and record braw 🔥
Where do you guys get your prices from? EVA1s used cost about 4 times and about double used in okay condition?
Yup..true...of all of these the EVA doesn't cost anywhere near that....the others I have seen at that price point barely.
Panasonic s5
Wonder if Magic Lantern has a loader for the C100MKII that gets you the 4k?
No they don't. And probably won't.
Canon made it clear to the Magic Lantern crew that their cinema line was off limits...don't touch or you will pay the price if you do
BMPCC!!!! hahahahahaha
Why are so many people fooled into canon colors? They are shifted megenta and are a pain at times. Panasonic, Fuji, and Nikon all have far better colors.
Is that music in the background going to demonetize this video?
I don't really have a use for (or interest in) a Cine-Camera, but it was still a great video :-)
Kai how much is the Canon C200 Mark 2 on MPB
There is no C200mark2 only mark1
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VARICAM LT?
I mean, the c100 looks better than that, you just also matched it with a kit lens that makes it look way worse then the other options. also IMO, a camera that does not shoot 10 bit is not a cine camera.
why the c100 looks like crap? 1:12
Would've loved to see better quality review ...lucky we didn't see kai try to fit the camera in the pocket ...
Makes you realize brands are chasing resolution when you watch Loks footage. The older cameras had better highlight roll off a color. The main video they shoot looks digital. Womp Womp
Watching on a 50” 4K tv the C100 looked bloody dreadful, it practically looked out of focus!. I mean it looked bad bad on the tv the iPhone looked night and day better!.
most videos are watched on a 50'' 4k tv, aren't they?
Have no interest to buy any of these cameras and just want to see your videos... and now somehow those cameras are on my radar now. Good job.
iphone looks distorted somehow , too wide ?
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In the era of pocket 4k, fx30, bgh1, S5 etc I would not touch any of these.
I have an Fx30 and an old FS7. Every time I think I'll dump the FS7, I think and say "no." FX30 - great pictures, but no internal ND filters. Totally stuffed if filming outside in sunlight and don't want to work at f16, so I have 5 variable nd front filters to cover all my lenses - total pain. FX30 has only a stereo 3.5mm audio input unless you shell out hundreds more for the xlr adapter. FS7 sits on your shoulder like a video camera should do, making it so easy to use all day and has an eyepiece dioptre on the lcd screen and a brilliant pistol grip for smooth zooming and focus magnification and lots more. Lovely HD and 4k and sdi out as well as HDMI. Granted the autofocus sucks - if you rely on that and doesn't have IBIS, but 2nd hand is half the price of an fx30 with an XLR adapter and years after it came out still does the business and still totally respected in the broadcast world, where I work.
The iPhone footage looks over sharpened
Really should have included Blackmagic in the mix. Much better then these 4
Eva 1 for 1500? There is no way....
The EVA-1 can produce a very lovely image. The stock LCD screen is slightly worsen than a Gameboy from the 80s. It is honestly that bad, completely useless as a monitor.
This channel still exists?
Pity you didn't have a Canon EOS 1DC.
I always wanted a 1DC, but I could never spend the money versus the features it had. The darn things are still expensive. It was a groundbreaking camera, but there are other better alternatives now.
2k is plenty.
4k is over rated , alot of people wont watch 4k coz their monitor + internet isnt good enough . Good colour 1080 is fine by me
where alamby
Hmm. Hard pass on the Canon C100, its pretty outclassed, even at the price point. The Sony FS looked pretty good, but then I'm one of the weirdos that doesn't mind Sony's color, I agree the EVA1 looks very good. If I could go back in time before buying an A7SIII and FX30, I'd be pretty interested in the FS5/7 or EVA1.
The lumix s5 looks better than all of these wow….
i think im going to sell my video camera because my life not exciting enough to use it
Nice, but I think I’ll stick to my three A7Cs and Crane 2 gimbals.
I tell you what with the exception of a few places the U.K. really does look sh1t on camera doesn’t it my god. Almost anywhere else in the world you see a fun fair it’s in an amazing setting. With the ocean or mountains in the background or a theme park like Disney land. But no here in the U.K. a bloody carpark!. A fun fair in a bloody tarmac carpark literally the worst funfair ever!.
London.
Take the money you'd spend on an older cine cam, save it up for longer and get a modern cine camera, the modern features are worth the cost.
what matters is how the finished film comes out. and it doesn't matter whether it's with an old or a new camera. if you can't tell a story, you don't need the best camera.
Hey Marcel,
Generally I agree with that, however if you are a professional and need a workhorse camera it's smarter to invest a newer camera with a modern sensor, modern resolution and latitude and frame rates, which clients will demand, such as 4K, which is a minimum in alot of work these days. Investing in good gear will pay itself back in spades.
However if you are merely making independent films, absolutely go with whatever camera you can afford.
As a previous c100 mkii owner, you do NOT want to carry that all day
I have one and why wouldn't you? It come with a strap that you can put around your neck and with the 50mm they are using in the video, it's pretty light.
I had the 24-105 maybe that didnt help. But i can assure you, fx3 is better for the neck/back muscles
@@ceesh5311 Yeah but the title of this video is "...for £1500 or less..." Can't compare a decade old camera to a current model in that regard...the price difference is massive.
yeah I know
Good grief that digital sharpening on iPhones is ridiculous.
You missed some cameras! Lol!
Seventh!
I wouldn't get any of this crap when you can get a p4k for barely 1000€
I’ve shot with all the cameras covered in this video. The Sony FS5 II is the worst camera I have ever used. Ergonomics are terrible and the color science is atrocious. Don’t waste your $ in buying one.
And people say phones make good videos these days 😅 all these cameras look better as a I Phone 15s Pro Max Ultra
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No Sigma fp, shill stuff yet again
CinemaDNG🙏
You are automatically disqualified as a “cinema camera” if you don’t have built in ND’s imo
@@nikolasmokalis3425 You mean consumer cine cameras right?
@@nikolasmokalis3425 and you as a filmmaker when saying that.
No raw compression either, files too large
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I didn't know asians have English accents
Hi Kai and Lok, Thanks for your advice. I just completed my first trade with MPB. They are quick, nice and reply email very quickly. 🥰🥰🥰
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